A negative for TikTok is that it doesn’t always promote genuine creators. I don’t like to put so much emphasis on originality, but everyone should at least try to put their own spice on the content they create. A positive is that great content creators like Drew get to expand their platform and I find that amazing. Great video ! 👊🔥👊🔥
I personally think people def hop on fashion 'trends' to be part of it, but it also helps others, such as myself, find their true taste in fashion, which is good because they are able to experiment more on their wardrobe
The "copycat nature of the app" can be found anywhere. It just seems a lot more prevalent on TikTok because we're being fed similar videos all the time due to the algorithm. It's up to the creators to add their own spin to TikTok trends, but again, people are always getting influenced by each other no matter where or what it is. You (Drew), Ray Miah, and Kyron (gotsweige) tend to have really similar taste in style, and all three of you got that somewhere. Even TH-camrs use each other's ideas for videos. It just seems amped up on TikTok.
True - very very true. You know what it is I can watch 50 tiktoks and 25 of them can have the exact same feel but TH-cam videos are viewed at a much much slower pace
the shein hauls, the extremely mid fits, the lack of any fashion knowledge whatsoever - tiktok definitely didnt ruin fashion but atleast diluted the meaning of fashion. But it definitely has its positives, it can educate the masses about fashion due to its shorts videos catering to the masses's short attention span. In short its a double edged sword. Thanks for giving singapore a shout out. From across the world, great video, keep up the work🙏🏻
none of this is because of TikTok tho. Mid fits and shein hauls would just exist on TH-cam and Instagram. Fashion has been diluted for a while I don’t see how it’s all of a sudden tiktoks fault
@@liltylenoll6955 i never said the mid fits and shein hauls were because of tiktok they were just amplified alot on the platform, and since the tiktok has such a big reach it has a large influence on the younger generation. Which results in them conforming to trends as such. I agree that fashion has been diluted but the introduction of tiktok in my opinion has made it even more diluted.
For me I think it’s kind of strange that you have people who can put an outfit together, but have NO idea about the textiles or fabrics on their skin. Fast fashion has ruined that in my opinion, Shein, Zara, etc ultra hauls are just too much.
In my opinion Tik tok doesn’t ruin fashion, rather different styles. For example vintage clothing. When you think about vintage clothing do you think about flare jeans, disco-, Levi 501. Or do you think about these newly printed college sweaters that are colored in a “vintage way”. Because we see so much of the same clothes in the same category, our creativity with creating new fits narrow down. (I don’t if this made any sense, but those who understand understand :))
Another thing is that very less creator on til tok will tell others about what fashion really is . They also most of the time will only do trend jacking so they are more behind likes and views and would wear something just for like that defeat the whole purpose of what fashion really is thats self expression.
I don't use tiktok anymore, nor do I use FB or Instagram anymore... I've had it and not that I look up to everyone like the youth often do.. I often think it's people's second life and don't always believe that everything is real or that the truth is being told but my daughter is 15 i'm 35... she often show me things on tiktok about fashion and also about online clothes like shein zara etc but I think it's nice that such online stores are there, especially for the youth they are already being driven crazy by all brands on social media and now they can also buy this or something similar but very good buy. i always try to tell my daughter that she has to decide the fashion for herself if you are different from others don't join the hype and believe me 20 jqar ago i already thought so.. only then was only the street scene the inspiration so things have changed
One thing is clear. Things clearly changed after the popularity of Tiktok came along. All I'm going to say is not everything needs to be made into content. Whatever happened to best kept secrets? Protecting things you love from vultures is not gatekeeping.
I don’t think that tik tok is bad it’s just quick. Depends on how you use it. But to say TH-cam isn’t social media unlike tik tok would be false. I think both platforms are good on sharing info about fashion in general, but I think TH-cam is better because creators explain their outfits, their inspiration, and more tips in 20+ minute videos rather than 30 second tik toks. People share fast fashion on TH-cam, but tik tok is just easier to see and access for most people who do not want to watch 20+ minute videos. It’s just really how you use it. I prefer TH-cam fashion creators etc. just because like i said i can see their view like this video. But maybe I’m just ranting lmao. Good vid
Also to answer the question I enjoy how much social media has branched out my own style and evolved my closet into having much more diversity and looks. Some days I wana dress like an anime villain in all Rick and Vetements but other days I wana be a grandpa with pair of derbys cropped pants and sweater vest/cardigan. Sure, it’s annoying to see everyone wear dunks with cargo pants but it’s easy to see who actually has style and who just copy’s what is trendy. Granted sometimes it’s fun to wear something trendy to find a new look for yourself. Without the internet I would probably just wear vans and skinny jeans like I had been wearing since 2005. (I’m 28)
@@DrewJoiner It brings up more questions like, if the internet and social media didn’t excist do you think you would have pulled the trigger on the Rick Owens Doc’s?
I feel that like Tik Tok has not ruined fashion. What Tik Tok did was force people of different sub cultures and demographics to become exposed to the most mainstream of fashion. The way I think of it is when I was in middle school, the majority of people wore Aéropostale, however there were plenty of groups people that might have dressed goth, punk, preppy, or wore whatever Walmart had on sale that season. While these groups of people are in the same space as the Aero people, you never were forced to interact with them. Tik Tok has a unique identifying feature to it that will force you to come across these people. I believe what then occurs is these people of different sub groups see the interaction numbers (comments and likes) that these 'Aero' people are receiving and then feel the need to contribute which over inflates the actual amount of consumers of these brands. In addition to this people like to claim Tik Tok lacks originality, but I think that is a negative take on the emphasis of participation on Tik Tok. Cheaper and trendy clothing from Shein, H&M, and Zara has always been desired in youth circles, and just like everyone wearing an Aero shirt in a middle school, it is accessible for everyone to wear clothes from these brands and therefore in order to be able to contribute to the participation driven nature of Tik Tok, people will buy and post these clothes. Essentially, I see Tik Tok as a giant middle school that is reinforcing a social fashion situation that really already existed. Tik Tok neutralizes most demographic separation, so if you like 'fashion' you will see all fashion. Given that the largest demographic on Tik Tok is the youth, it may seem that fashion is "being ruined" because for once in history, people outside of a certain age group are being reintroduced to 'middle school' fashion and probably never realized how large it actually is when you go from a 200 person school to billions of users. To clarify before anything gets taken out of context, middle school is merely a metaphor, point of this comment is to express my thought. After writing all this, I might do my own video to lay out my thoughts in a better presentation.
non original contents destroy healthy emphasize for making original and great contents of good creators. i hate cheap stuffs we can see often now a days.
I think tiktok is helping people find their place in fashion to be honest, if you look in the right places it can really boost your confidence to go out with that outfit you've been too scared to wear
@@whatismason I kind of agree, but everyones gotta start somewhere and when people do find styles that are on trend they start to put their own twist on it and then they start to find their place from there.
Tiktok helped fashion especially the poor kids now ppl popularized vintage or goodwill clothes aka hand me downs. They popularized cheap clothing. And fast fashion while i don’t agree with the labor and stuff. Popular brands like Nike use machines and over produce too. If tiktok ruined fashion then it’s probably just for the high end brands and their buyers. There’s no reason you should spend like a whole week/day worth of grocery shopping money when it costs so low to make. It’s just the name in it. Fashion isn’t just high end stuff. it’s whatever you like to express yourself so i don’t think anyone or thing can ruin fashion
tik tok most deff has not ruined fashion. I don't look at tik tok for fashion I look for memes and funny shiz, TH-cam is my place I take fashion seriously. With an argument like "has tik tok ruined fashion" you'd first have to argue tik tok has ruined everything lol, but tik tok has only magnified fashion even more so you can see the fakes, the wannabees and the pretenders for what they are, so tik tok is just fun in my opinion haha, but I live outside of tik tok soooo
I think what’s frustrating about Tik tok, (at least for me) is how sometimes genuinely good fashion just turns into a cringy trend. For instance, I think you touched on this in ur video when you mentioned supreme. If you wear supreme now, generally you’re gonna come off as a hype beast, even if you never intended to be one at all. Again, supreme didn’t change, but like you said the PERCEPTION that people have about supreme has changed and so now you have to take that into account. I’ve probably explained that very poorly but oh well 🥲
Yes. No question yes. I hate this new fashion trend that was overhyped and normalized by tiktok. My personal style and “drip” gets slandered by tiktok fashion people who think that their fashion style is above others just bc its different.
Went to magic mountain last weekend, I saw AT LEAST and I’m not exaggerating 100 kids wearing identical outfits. The same things kids from tiktok used to call ugly are now their favorite thing to wear, and it’s because whatever is trending, they latch onto.
Here’s my thought about TikTok, I’m gonna look at the positive side of it. TikTok is not ruining fashion it’s helping younger people get introduce to fashion itself. Granted most of fashion on TikTok is streetwear but that’s where most people start. U see these videos of people dressing a certain way and that’s how people gravitate towards fashion and just feeling comfortable and confident about themselves, after that it’s up to the person if they wanna expand. Also a lot of fashion TikTokers starts there
Agree! I've been buying reps since about 2016. When I was in college I would constantly get compliments but after fear if getting robbed bc of a certain incident I stopped bringing my reps of $500+ reps to school lmao
I've realized that tiktok has primarily affected my life negatively. Whenever I'm bored I go on the app and despite feeling as if only 10 minutes passed by I've already wasted an hour. I think I'm gonna stop using the app for now, but the creative process seems interesting as I've seen a lot of self-improvement videos on the app.
To me, Tiktok has created a generation of artificial and disingenuous clones that dress in what’s on trend rather than what they love. Perhaps I have a chip on my shoulder after getting mocked for wearing “boot cuts” to uni 😭🤣
I love these videos man. The term "ruined" in this sense seems way too absolute. Does Tiktok have negatives? sure. Does social media in general have its negatives? Absolutely. But ruined it? no. I think TikToks focus on the younger generation makes it seem worse than it actually is. I also remember all of us wearing fast fashion at one point or another and it takes time to grow out of that and figure out your own style. We just have to let them grow like we did and be okay with others on a different path than our own. What's worse than fast fashion? Fashion purists. I also was supposed to be doing work but saw this video so you know I had to watch the whole thing.
I do see how social media has affected fashion as far as trends go and promoting insecurities. But at the same time it has been a way for people outside of the main fashion hub cities to become familiar with new designers/brands. If it wasn't for instagram I would've never seen those Raf Simons velcro shoes back in the day and maybe would've never known who he was. I also find it Interesting how instead of 1 trendy look that MOST people subscribe to everyone kinda finds their own aesthetic. (I.e. workwear, avant garde, cozy, etc.) The negative effect of that is it seems like it creates cliques. Like why can't workwear heads and Rick Owens heads hang out more? Lol. But the thing i hate the most about it all is how hard it is to get "hyped" pieces and especially sneakers. The community aspect of it is awesome but the people who try to be gatekeepers are annoying. But its interesting to see that the art of fashion and styling is now engrained in the culture so its more important than it ever was.
Something interesting I've been seeing is the rise of FFA jackets. I feel its kinda weird seeing as I go to an agricultural school and the FFA is a big part of it. I'm unsure of how to feel about it lmao.
I don't think tiktok has "ruined" anything, but I think the hype behind certain things (like thrifting) has impacted accessibility for others & maybe that's where collectors/ppl that have been into these niches for a while get upset
Yea I feel em I'm one of those that just started thrifting, but in my defense they always have new cheap styles I could try for myself. I just gained the confidence to go out a do things alone as an adult so it's a big step for me personally, it's freedom.
Loved the video bro. It's not talked about enough how bad fast fashion is for our planet and how it also creates this awful overconsumption mentality when it comes to buying clothes.
Your content is unbelievably thorough and quality. If you keep it up, I can see this channel at a million subs and at the forefront of fashion youtube. I would like to see a sneaker related discussion about Virgil, Travis, and Kanye’s effect on sneaker culture.
Assuming as true that TikTok has ruined fashion means underrating our thinking capacity. We receive pulses everywhere, this does not imply that we embrace all of them. Being excessively influenced by Tiktok is lack of personality and that’s something that should make us reflect. Tiktok shows, do not force. We are able to chose what follow or not. As a matter of proof, google represents a priceless and fast opportunity in order to improve our knowledge, but it does not limit our education.
Your takes on fashion and style consistently make me reflect on my relationship with it as well. Loved this video; kudos to you brother! You always bring value into the conversation.
Good video. Personally, I think a lot of people hate on TikTok just because they're annoyed by seeing younger people do trendy things. These anti-TikTok people probably are influenced by other trends, too; they just don't notice it. It's really a social media thing. For instance, this wave of wearing looser pants, flare pants, and workwear jackets began due to social media. We dig it, right? Well, it's a trend, and we're not so different from the TikTok creators. We just showcase it differently.
Really appreciate your nuanced perspectives. I don't have tiktok on my phone anymore but when I did I used it to just expose myself to new forms and ideas. Fashion is a really interesting art in that it's so socially driven. Ultimately, I just try to wear things that I like, that make me feel good, and that are made and acquired as responsibly as possible.
Love-Hate fashion tiktok; So many historic fashion creators, vintage fashion, people showing off their fits But yeah the shein hauls, basic fits being promoted as iconic like babes its jeans and a tshirt chill, etc
How and/or where do you find inspiration for fashion through social media? Obviously since fast fashion isn’t sustainable for the environment, where is it that you find the most quality and reliable pieces for your fits?
There’s an old saying ‘seek and you will find’ I just follow really dope people who never literally never talk about fast fashion it’s always vintage or curated multi retail stores or small brands
What i like in tiktok is that what you like is what appears more to you. I was looking on dope color combos and that keeps appearing. If I jump that type of videos "how to use socks" they are gone for me
Damn near everybody dresses the same now & its boring lol. A good amount of creators only push: Jordan 1s & 4s, Dunks, SBs, NB (990s, 992s, 550s), & Bootlegs of 1s (not reps lol). I get that they're "trendy" but some folks are scared to like things outside of those I listed.
I don't like tik tok because in my opinion it's an app used by people who don't have motivation to to something else. I also think on this platform there are many people that do the exact same thing( not all) and there is no diversity or other interests in public. tik tok is great when you spend like 10 minutes on your phone while waiting. Good and important video 🙏🏼
Personally, I think it's the algorithm that ruins it, you point around 25min says it well, the app pushes you content involuntarily, and whatever gets the most engagement, in this case, controversy, gets pushed. It gives little opportunity for content with actual depth to thrive because of the time constrain and algorithm, which makes the platform get flooded with "bad content", it's an app that promotes that kind of content. I do think there is a great chance for creators tho. Creators like you, Mark still thrived whilst making insightful/entertaining content. I personally got off the platform cus they took off the ig log in portal and i lost my account :), Good riddance(Thanos voice)
number 1 reason i hate tiktok is because it isn’t organic. You see every mf on there wearing Jordan 1s so the shoe rockets in price, and the only reason they like them is because they seen someone tiktoker wearing it. Same with underground music.. before you would have to search and search to find that one artist, only a few know about. Now you can just click an app see someone dancing to one of their songs.
Golden content dosent swear every two seconds to look cool, (don’t care about swearing just annoying when people over do it to look cool), he is real and dissent fake anything, love this content
While i do agree that tik tok has made a negative impact on fashion, i do think it helps in a sense that it can be a gateway to get into fashion. The only problem is that people dont make it their own, and just copy paste
Maybe do a piece on how many people are starting brands and if that might cause sustainability issues. More people are buying second hand and vintage but at the same time there are 500 brands popping up every day and not all are gonna sell, let's be honest. But there are some small labels that are 🔥
I really like tik toks fashion side at points but there are things I don’t like I think it is a little weird to say like “wear your Socks like This” etc. I think it’s ok to recommend this fit or way but it comes off in a way that’s like your doing it wrong. And I think it’s all about how you yourself express your clothes. I also think it has changed my opinions on certain silhouettes but that would happen regardless so yea it’s not all bad tho it’s nice at points and can help and lots of interesting people on there
you should make a vid about work boots. curious to hear what u think about the impact groundcover & that sort of sphere of fashion have had now that we're a few yrs in
It gets to the point where you see all these teens wearing the same outfit on tiktok and it doesn’t feel like an outfit anymore, it feels more like a uniform.
I agree with the negatives because it definitely promotes everyone to sort of wear the same things, but then again the way that it is opening so many peoples minds to fashion is great I think. I really like that it is starting more people,( including my friends) to like fashion. Even though they start wearing all the basic race car tees with cargos and dunks, they eventually will branch out and want to experiment and thats where I feel like I am Rn!
A year later and here is my report. The AF1 got beat into the ground, then the panda dunk, then the 550, now the samba is being stomped into the ground American history x style. Band tees are over, gorp came and went, the double knees are being tossed, they want the 8 ball fleece now. They said they are done with the bostons and the beatnik now it’s Tasman time. The Balenciaga days are dead, Gucci got used up, it’s Prada now.
In the video, you showed videos of the new balance 550 green trend. I actually really like how those shoes look, I found them randomly, and fuck with them. With the tik tok trend, however, it feels in-genuine now if I buy them, because it looks like I'm "going with the trend" which sucks because I'm not. I'm still going to buy them for me, but now my originality is taken because of tik tok
I really enjoyed this content! I liked how you weighed up the pros and cons of TikTok. I miss the simple life. Since 2019, I feel that the digital world has expanded to the point of taking over our actual lives. Whether that be attention-wise or technology wise. Whilst, there are a few positives, I believe there are way too many negatives. I’m 24, and I cannot keep up with it at all! It is exciting creating my own content but I do get trapped in these loop holes!
How do people over consume TikTok? Seriously, the app is moronic, it has no substance, no expression, no real value other than pretty flashes of shallow nonsense, I really feel sorry for this generation because I really can't see anything of value coming from such a meaningless shallow hustle. EVERYBODY LOOKS THE SAME! Nobody has the balls to be themselves anymore, every outfit, style, label, and fit is exactly the same depending on genre, it's pathetic!
Good video Drew. I do think that true creatives can get big on TikTok, but not like TH-cam does. TH-cam usually does promote originality and creativity. TikTok can be creative, but for me, its not worth finding a needle in the haystack. The haystack is all the BS thats on the app and the needle is the actual creative stuff. I dont know. I dont use the app a lot, but it just seems like there is a lot of totally useless content on TikTok that really serves no purpose except to show off your body or outfit or whatever. idk. the app is not for me personally.
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A negative for TikTok is that it doesn’t always promote genuine creators. I don’t like to put so much emphasis on originality, but everyone should at least try to put their own spice on the content they create. A positive is that great content creators like Drew get to expand their platform and I find that amazing. Great video ! 👊🔥👊🔥
Javier, I need to meet you one day my friend ✊🏾❤️🤝
@@ອງນໄຊ uhhh? Lol
I personally think people def hop on fashion 'trends' to be part of it, but it also helps others, such as myself, find their true taste in fashion, which is good because they are able to experiment more on their wardrobe
Spot on
The "copycat nature of the app" can be found anywhere. It just seems a lot more prevalent on TikTok because we're being fed similar videos all the time due to the algorithm. It's up to the creators to add their own spin to TikTok trends, but again, people are always getting influenced by each other no matter where or what it is. You (Drew), Ray Miah, and Kyron (gotsweige) tend to have really similar taste in style, and all three of you got that somewhere. Even TH-camrs use each other's ideas for videos. It just seems amped up on TikTok.
True - very very true. You know what it is I can watch 50 tiktoks and 25 of them can have the exact same feel but TH-cam videos are viewed at a much much slower pace
the shein hauls, the extremely mid fits, the lack of any fashion knowledge whatsoever - tiktok definitely didnt ruin fashion but atleast diluted the meaning of fashion. But it definitely has its positives, it can educate the masses about fashion due to its shorts videos catering to the masses's short attention span. In short its a double edged sword.
Thanks for giving singapore a shout out. From across the world, great video, keep up the work🙏🏻
none of this is because of TikTok tho. Mid fits and shein hauls would just exist on TH-cam and Instagram. Fashion has been diluted for a while I don’t see how it’s all of a sudden tiktoks fault
@@liltylenoll6955 i never said the mid fits and shein hauls were because of tiktok they were just amplified alot on the platform, and since the tiktok has such a big reach it has a large influence on the younger generation. Which results in them conforming to trends as such. I agree that fashion has been diluted but the introduction of tiktok in my opinion has made it even more diluted.
Shein needs to be scrapped fr, it’s literally cheap, toxic (literally toxic) pieces of cloth
@@johnllo7198 Im not trying to impress anyone lol i fkin hate shein and there are some wack fashion tiktoks out there😂
whys it always mfs from singapore who act like picking outfits and shopping is some sacred craft
For me I think it’s kind of strange that you have people who can put an outfit together, but have NO idea about the textiles or fabrics on their skin. Fast fashion has ruined that in my opinion, Shein, Zara, etc ultra hauls are just too much.
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In my opinion Tik tok doesn’t ruin fashion, rather different styles. For example vintage clothing. When you think about vintage clothing do you think about flare jeans, disco-, Levi 501. Or do you think about these newly printed college sweaters that are colored in a “vintage way”. Because we see so much of the same clothes in the same category, our creativity with creating new fits narrow down. (I don’t if this made any sense, but those who understand understand :))
Just found your channel and I really enjoy the manner in which you approached this topic, safe to say I’m gonna be an active viewer
Your outlook on fashion is so good thank god for this channel
Another thing is that very less creator on til tok will tell others about what fashion really is . They also most of the time will only do trend jacking
so they are more behind likes and views and would wear something just for like that defeat the whole purpose of what fashion really is thats self expression.
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I don't use tiktok anymore, nor do I use FB or Instagram anymore...
I've had it and not that I look up to everyone like the youth often do..
I often think it's people's second life and don't always believe that everything is real or that the truth is being told
but my daughter is 15 i'm 35... she often show me things on tiktok about fashion and also about online clothes like shein zara etc
but I think it's nice that such online stores are there, especially for the youth
they are already being driven crazy by all brands on social media and now they can also buy this or something similar but very good buy.
i always try to tell my daughter that she has to decide the fashion for herself if you are different from others don't join the hype and believe me 20 jqar ago i already thought so..
only then was only the street scene the inspiration so things have changed
Really strong perspective here
One thing is clear. Things clearly changed after the popularity of Tiktok came along. All I'm going to say is not everything needs to be made into content. Whatever happened to best kept secrets? Protecting things you love from vultures is not gatekeeping.
Bro I hate the advices on tiktok too!!!
They tell me what to wear and how to wear it, like bruh there is no rule, you need to express yourself!!
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I don’t think that tik tok is bad it’s just quick. Depends on how you use it. But to say TH-cam isn’t social media unlike tik tok would be false. I think both platforms are good on sharing info about fashion in general, but I think TH-cam is better because creators explain their outfits, their inspiration, and more tips in 20+ minute videos rather than 30 second tik toks. People share fast fashion on TH-cam, but tik tok is just easier to see and access for most people who do not want to watch 20+ minute videos. It’s just really how you use it. I prefer TH-cam fashion creators etc. just because like i said i can see their view like this video. But maybe I’m just ranting lmao. Good vid
Great great point , the short form video format doesn’t even come close to the value of the long for format
Always love your videos, you put them together really well!
you worded everything so perfectly in this bro
Thank you man💫
Got that busboy fit on
Can't believe I watched this whole thing and it felt like I was just talkin with one of my boys. Love these style videos Drew!
Thank you Adam ✊🏾 you’re a homie to me 💫
Also to answer the question I enjoy how much social media has branched out my own style and evolved my closet into having much more diversity and looks. Some days I wana dress like an anime villain in all Rick and Vetements but other days I wana be a grandpa with pair of derbys cropped pants and sweater vest/cardigan. Sure, it’s annoying to see everyone wear dunks with cargo pants but it’s easy to see who actually has style and who just copy’s what is trendy. Granted sometimes it’s fun to wear something trendy to find a new look for yourself. Without the internet I would probably just wear vans and skinny jeans like I had been wearing since 2005. (I’m 28)
@@S7eezyy great great point honestly we demonize trends but I should make a video about why they are important
@@DrewJoiner It brings up more questions like, if the internet and social media didn’t excist do you think you would have pulled the trigger on the Rick Owens Doc’s?
@@DrewJoiner it’s quite an interesting and open ended discussion, love talking about this type of thing!
always with quality content drew!!
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I feel that like Tik Tok has not ruined fashion. What Tik Tok did was force people of different sub cultures and demographics to become exposed to the most mainstream of fashion. The way I think of it is when I was in middle school, the majority of people wore Aéropostale, however there were plenty of groups people that might have dressed goth, punk, preppy, or wore whatever Walmart had on sale that season. While these groups of people are in the same space as the Aero people, you never were forced to interact with them. Tik Tok has a unique identifying feature to it that will force you to come across these people. I believe what then occurs is these people of different sub groups see the interaction numbers (comments and likes) that these 'Aero' people are receiving and then feel the need to contribute which over inflates the actual amount of consumers of these brands. In addition to this people like to claim Tik Tok lacks originality, but I think that is a negative take on the emphasis of participation on Tik Tok. Cheaper and trendy clothing from Shein, H&M, and Zara has always been desired in youth circles, and just like everyone wearing an Aero shirt in a middle school, it is accessible for everyone to wear clothes from these brands and therefore in order to be able to contribute to the participation driven nature of Tik Tok, people will buy and post these clothes. Essentially, I see Tik Tok as a giant middle school that is reinforcing a social fashion situation that really already existed. Tik Tok neutralizes most demographic separation, so if you like 'fashion' you will see all fashion. Given that the largest demographic on Tik Tok is the youth, it may seem that fashion is "being ruined" because for once in history, people outside of a certain age group are being reintroduced to 'middle school' fashion and probably never realized how large it actually is when you go from a 200 person school to billions of users. To clarify before anything gets taken out of context, middle school is merely a metaphor, point of this comment is to express my thought. After writing all this, I might do my own video to lay out my thoughts in a better presentation.
non original contents destroy healthy emphasize for making original and great contents of good creators. i hate cheap stuffs we can see often now a days.
ipods and cds are not comparable to tiktok and fashion lmao that’s so dumb
I think tiktok is helping people find their place in fashion to be honest, if you look in the right places it can really boost your confidence to go out with that outfit you've been too scared to wear
I think its helping people find trendy things easier imo. Not necessarily their place.
@@whatismason I kind of agree, but everyones gotta start somewhere and when people do find styles that are on trend they start to put their own twist on it and then they start to find their place from there.
@@dannyfleck2613 100%, I even use the platform to see new pieces and get new fit ideas so I agree for sure.
Tiktok helped fashion especially the poor kids now ppl popularized vintage or goodwill clothes aka hand me downs. They popularized cheap clothing. And fast fashion while i don’t agree with the labor and stuff. Popular brands like Nike use machines and over produce too. If tiktok ruined fashion then it’s probably just for the high end brands and their buyers. There’s no reason you should spend like a whole week/day worth of grocery shopping money when it costs so low to make. It’s just the name in it. Fashion isn’t just high end stuff. it’s whatever you like to express yourself so i don’t think anyone or thing can ruin fashion
can someone recommend good fashion tic tokers cuz thats the whole reason I got it and I can't find shit
I don’t think fast fashion has really changed. It’s always been around and probably isn’t really going anywhere.
The unfortunate truth, hopefully it gets less love moving forward
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Solid video, you'll get the views dw
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tik tok most deff has not ruined fashion. I don't look at tik tok for fashion I look for memes and funny shiz, TH-cam is my place I take fashion seriously.
With an argument like "has tik tok ruined fashion" you'd first have to argue tik tok has ruined everything lol, but tik tok has only magnified fashion even more so you can see the fakes, the wannabees and the pretenders for what they are, so tik tok is just fun in my opinion haha, but I live outside of tik tok soooo
I love Kendals fit but it's not American. Totally missed the point :(
Who was your favorite?
@@DrewJoiner Definitely Quannah Chasinghorse. She represented her own American heritage and she looked stunning doing it.
@@sophisticatedwrat she really killed it!! I also liked Iman and Zoe Kravitz looks respectably
how is tiktok any different from any social media and fashion “influencers” lol
This obvious but still insightful
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Tiktok just made kids today wear cringe
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Spring !! Sorry for the hold up
I think what’s frustrating about Tik tok, (at least for me) is how sometimes genuinely good fashion just turns into a cringy trend. For instance, I think you touched on this in ur video when you mentioned supreme. If you wear supreme now, generally you’re gonna come off as a hype beast, even if you never intended to be one at all. Again, supreme didn’t change, but like you said the PERCEPTION that people have about supreme has changed and so now you have to take that into account. I’ve probably explained that very poorly but oh well 🥲
This, I still wear some subtle supreme pieces but stuff like my camp caps get dusty because of the big box logo
I'd say the internet ruined trends, but not fashion as a whole.
Yes. No question yes. I hate this new fashion trend that was overhyped and normalized by tiktok. My personal style and “drip” gets slandered by tiktok fashion people who think that their fashion style is above others just bc its different.
this comment makes no sense
so what you say is you is insecure about a random person saying stupid shi on what you like to wear?
this comment is ridiculous 💀
ur take lacks nuance
It can’t ruin things if you don’t pay attention to it, you got this
I made this video over a year ago and I just rewatched it.. 😂 "let me ask you a few questions" 😂 I need to make a new video...
Went to magic mountain last weekend, I saw AT LEAST and I’m not exaggerating 100 kids wearing identical outfits. The same things kids from tiktok used to call ugly are now their favorite thing to wear, and it’s because whatever is trending, they latch onto.
Here’s my thought about TikTok, I’m gonna look at the positive side of it. TikTok is not ruining fashion it’s helping younger people get introduce to fashion itself. Granted most of fashion on TikTok is streetwear but that’s where most people start. U see these videos of people dressing a certain way and that’s how people gravitate towards fashion and just feeling comfortable and confident about themselves, after that it’s up to the person if they wanna expand. Also a lot of fashion TikTokers starts there
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Hot take: I don't understand hating on someone for buying reps or retail.
I get rep sneakers because I’m not paying retail for a shoe that essentially cost 15 dollars to make.
I got a pair of rep Travis Scott dunks and have been wearing them everywhere, they are basically the real things but $2000 cheaper
Buy what you like 👍
Agree! I've been buying reps since about 2016. When I was in college I would constantly get compliments but after fear if getting robbed bc of a certain incident I stopped bringing my reps of $500+ reps to school lmao
Reps r hella lame artists designers ain’t working for free they have a family too if you can’t afford the thing just pass that’s that simple
I've realized that tiktok has primarily affected my life negatively. Whenever I'm bored I go on the app and despite feeling as if only 10 minutes passed by I've already wasted an hour. I think I'm gonna stop using the app for now, but the creative process seems interesting as I've seen a lot of self-improvement videos on the app.
To me, Tiktok has created a generation of artificial and disingenuous clones that dress in what’s on trend rather than what they love. Perhaps I have a chip on my shoulder after getting mocked for wearing “boot cuts” to uni 😭🤣
i love your reasonable approach and how you explained everything glad i found your channel
Thank you man! Glad you commented 💫
I love these videos man. The term "ruined" in this sense seems way too absolute. Does Tiktok have negatives? sure. Does social media in general have its negatives? Absolutely. But ruined it? no. I think TikToks focus on the younger generation makes it seem worse than it actually is. I also remember all of us wearing fast fashion at one point or another and it takes time to grow out of that and figure out your own style. We just have to let them grow like we did and be okay with others on a different path than our own. What's worse than fast fashion? Fashion purists. I also was supposed to be doing work but saw this video so you know I had to watch the whole thing.
I agree with this 100%
I hate Tik Tok, no matter how good content there are, because good mood will always be cancelled down by cringy clout chasers
I do see how social media has affected fashion as far as trends go and promoting insecurities. But at the same time it has been a way for people outside of the main fashion hub cities to become familiar with new designers/brands. If it wasn't for instagram I would've never seen those Raf Simons velcro shoes back in the day and maybe would've never known who he was. I also find it Interesting how instead of 1 trendy look that MOST people subscribe to everyone kinda finds their own aesthetic. (I.e. workwear, avant garde, cozy, etc.) The negative effect of that is it seems like it creates cliques. Like why can't workwear heads and Rick Owens heads hang out more? Lol. But the thing i hate the most about it all is how hard it is to get "hyped" pieces and especially sneakers. The community aspect of it is awesome but the people who try to be gatekeepers are annoying. But its interesting to see that the art of fashion and styling is now engrained in the culture so its more important than it ever was.
I just don’t want to get addicted to tik tok so I’m not even going to download it lol
Smart decision
Something interesting I've been seeing is the rise of FFA jackets. I feel its kinda weird seeing as I go to an agricultural school and the FFA is a big part of it. I'm unsure of how to feel about it lmao.
FFA has been on the rise, I saw it even a bit more last fall but I wonder how big it’ll get again this fall
Why did I think you meant Free for All like some Call of Duty😂
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Not about any of this im just sick of the trucker hat with flannel, retro print tee, cargos jordan 1 look
I don't think tiktok has "ruined" anything, but I think the hype behind certain things (like thrifting) has impacted accessibility for others & maybe that's where collectors/ppl that have been into these niches for a while get upset
Yea I feel em I'm one of those that just started thrifting, but in my defense they always have new cheap styles I could try for myself. I just gained the confidence to go out a do things alone as an adult so it's a big step for me personally, it's freedom.
I’m rather new to consuming tiktok but I have always associated tiktok fashion with shein for some reason 🧐
also I’m so glad I found your channel!
Loved the video bro. It's not talked about enough how bad fast fashion is for our planet and how it also creates this awful overconsumption mentality when it comes to buying clothes.
It’s so important
Your content is unbelievably thorough and quality. If you keep it up, I can see this channel at a million subs and at the forefront of fashion youtube. I would like to see a sneaker related discussion about Virgil, Travis, and Kanye’s effect on sneaker culture.
This, this is why I love making TH-cam videos thank you man I just wrote down the idea
Assuming as true that TikTok has ruined fashion means underrating our thinking capacity. We receive pulses everywhere, this does not imply that we embrace all of them. Being excessively influenced by Tiktok is lack of personality and that’s something that should make us reflect. Tiktok shows, do not force. We are able to chose what follow or not. As a matter of proof, google represents a priceless and fast opportunity in order to improve our knowledge, but it does not limit our education.
Very well said
Your takes on fashion and style consistently make me reflect on my relationship with it as well. Loved this video; kudos to you brother! You always bring value into the conversation.
Thank you man! Such a sincere comment. 💫
Cheap internet availability ruined everything in some sort.
Good video. Personally, I think a lot of people hate on TikTok just because they're annoyed by seeing younger people do trendy things. These anti-TikTok people probably are influenced by other trends, too; they just don't notice it. It's really a social media thing. For instance, this wave of wearing looser pants, flare pants, and workwear jackets began due to social media. We dig it, right? Well, it's a trend, and we're not so different from the TikTok creators. We just showcase it differently.
This is maturity and self awareness in spades my friend bravo
All the fashion tik tok creators weren't able to see the full video because their attention span is less than a minute.
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Yo this made me laugh out loud what
@@DrewJoiner thanks man😂
Great content recently found you really enjoying your videos
Agree fast fashion is the worst
Really appreciate your nuanced perspectives. I don't have tiktok on my phone anymore but when I did I used it to just expose myself to new forms and ideas. Fashion is a really interesting art in that it's so socially driven. Ultimately, I just try to wear things that I like, that make me feel good, and that are made and acquired as responsibly as possible.
Love-Hate fashion tiktok; So many historic fashion creators, vintage fashion, people showing off their fits
But yeah the shein hauls, basic fits being promoted as iconic like babes its jeans and a tshirt chill, etc
How and/or where do you find inspiration for fashion through social media? Obviously since fast fashion isn’t sustainable for the environment, where is it that you find the most quality and reliable pieces for your fits?
There’s an old saying ‘seek and you will find’ I just follow really dope people who never literally never talk about fast fashion it’s always vintage or curated multi retail stores or small brands
What i like in tiktok is that what you like is what appears more to you. I was looking on dope color combos and that keeps appearing. If I jump that type of videos "how to use socks" they are gone for me
Kids don’t really smoke cigarettes anymore but they buy fast fashion either one is going to kill them.
Damn near everybody dresses the same now & its boring lol. A good amount of creators only push: Jordan 1s & 4s, Dunks, SBs, NB (990s, 992s, 550s), & Bootlegs of 1s (not reps lol). I get that they're "trendy" but some folks are scared to like things outside of those I listed.
They want them views that’s why
Oh and the only fast fashion, that i actually think is worth it is def uniqlo
Ayeee.. i even agree and i dont have tiktok. Well said man! Just sub. Sorry late. Hihi 😁✌
Haha welcome 🤝✨
I don't like tik tok because in my opinion it's an app used by people who don't have motivation to to something else. I also think on this platform there are many people that do the exact same thing( not all) and there is no diversity or other interests in public. tik tok is great when you spend like 10 minutes on your phone while waiting.
Good and important video 🙏🏼
Personally, I think it's the algorithm that ruins it, you point around 25min says it well, the app pushes you content involuntarily, and whatever gets the most engagement, in this case, controversy, gets pushed. It gives little opportunity for content with actual depth to thrive because of the time constrain and algorithm, which makes the platform get flooded with "bad content", it's an app that promotes that kind of content. I do think there is a great chance for creators tho. Creators like you, Mark still thrived whilst making insightful/entertaining content. I personally got off the platform cus they took off the ig log in portal and i lost my account :), Good riddance(Thanos voice)
😂😂 Good Riddance, but seriously spot on analysis Raywearsclothes
number 1 reason i hate tiktok is because it isn’t organic. You see every mf on there wearing Jordan 1s so the shoe rockets in price, and the only reason they like them is because they seen someone tiktoker wearing it. Same with underground music.. before you would have to search and search to find that one artist, only a few know about. Now you can just click an app see someone dancing to one of their songs.
Golden content dosent swear every two seconds to look cool, (don’t care about swearing just annoying when people over do it to look cool), he is real and dissent fake anything, love this content
Man thank you ✊🏾
@@DrewJoiner ye
While i do agree that tik tok has made a negative impact on fashion, i do think it helps in a sense that it can be a gateway to get into fashion. The only problem is that people dont make it their own, and just copy paste
Bingo
Maybe do a piece on how many people are starting brands and if that might cause sustainability issues. More people are buying second hand and vintage but at the same time there are 500 brands popping up every day and not all are gonna sell, let's be honest. But there are some small labels that are 🔥
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Men shouldn’t have a tiktok
Your videos always make my day, thanks drew
😁💫 your comments always make mine
I really like tik toks fashion side at points but there are things I don’t like I think it is a little weird to say like “wear your Socks like This” etc. I think it’s ok to recommend this fit or way but it comes off in a way that’s like your doing it wrong. And I think it’s all about how you yourself express your clothes. I also think it has changed my opinions on certain silhouettes but that would happen regardless so yea it’s not all bad tho it’s nice at points and can help and lots of interesting people on there
Very accurate assessment
you should make a vid about work boots. curious to hear what u think about the impact groundcover & that sort of sphere of fashion have had now that we're a few yrs in
Instagram already ruined it.
Ight Drew, I'll download TikTok. Ya got me.
😂 nooo it has its pitfalls for sure
Urban outfitters you can sometimes find some decent pieces for a fast fashion brand
it’s not a brand but i see what ur saying. it’s just a retail store that carries other brands and has their own in house brand as well
It gets to the point where you see all these teens wearing the same outfit on tiktok and it doesn’t feel like an outfit anymore, it feels more like a uniform.
I agree with the negatives because it definitely promotes everyone to sort of wear the same things, but then again the way that it is opening so many peoples minds to fashion is great I think. I really like that it is starting more people,( including my friends) to like fashion. Even though they start wearing all the basic race car tees with cargos and dunks, they eventually will branch out and want to experiment and thats where I feel like I am Rn!
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A year later and here is my report. The AF1 got beat into the ground, then the panda dunk, then the 550, now the samba is being stomped into the ground American history x style. Band tees are over, gorp came and went, the double knees are being tossed, they want the 8 ball fleece now. They said they are done with the bostons and the beatnik now it’s Tasman time. The Balenciaga days are dead, Gucci got used up, it’s Prada now.
Great report
@@DrewJoiner a man of the people❤️
Am I the only guy who loves that he replies or looks at alllll the comments unlike other you tubers
🤝💫 I never understood some TH-camrs who never respond lol especially when I’m not getting like 1000 comments, thank you for all your kind words
In the video, you showed videos of the new balance 550 green trend. I actually really like how those shoes look, I found them randomly, and fuck with them. With the tik tok trend, however, it feels in-genuine now if I buy them, because it looks like I'm "going with the trend" which sucks because I'm not. I'm still going to buy them for me, but now my originality is taken because of tik tok
I feel you, but who cares what others think get them jawns if you love them
I thought I was the only one who thought the pandemic+tik tok. Would make people oversaturate fashion and sneaker culture
Unless some kind of law actually prohibits fast fashion I dont see it ever stopping sadly. Also i'd add ASOS to your offenders list
The sad truth
If Drew filmed it, it ain’t filmed right
Wait what 😂
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I really enjoyed this content! I liked how you weighed up the pros and cons of TikTok.
I miss the simple life. Since 2019, I feel that the digital world has expanded to the point of taking over our actual lives. Whether that be attention-wise or technology wise. Whilst, there are a few positives, I believe there are way too many negatives. I’m 24, and I cannot keep up with it at all!
It is exciting creating my own content but I do get trapped in these loop holes!
Tiktok destroyed my attention span and I despise it for that.
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I would definitely see you doing something with frugral aesthetic
I feel like another negative of the app is how prevalent mob mentality is on there, rarely anyone has any new opinions
How do people over consume TikTok? Seriously, the app is moronic, it has no substance, no expression, no real value other than pretty flashes of shallow nonsense, I really feel sorry for this generation because I really can't see anything of value coming from such a meaningless shallow hustle. EVERYBODY LOOKS THE SAME! Nobody has the balls to be themselves anymore, every outfit, style, label, and fit is exactly the same depending on genre, it's pathetic!
urban outfitters is definitely fast fashion just to add to the list
Im not on Tok Tok but really enjoyed learning abt how its impacting fashion good and bad but my real question is when are the EJ hoodies dropping?
Ruined fashion is obviously the clickbait title. But TikTok surely has been a net negative influence on the fashion world.
Good video Drew. I do think that true creatives can get big on TikTok, but not like TH-cam does. TH-cam usually does promote originality and creativity. TikTok can be creative, but for me, its not worth finding a needle in the haystack. The haystack is all the BS thats on the app and the needle is the actual creative stuff. I dont know. I dont use the app a lot, but it just seems like there is a lot of totally useless content on TikTok that really serves no purpose except to show off your body or outfit or whatever. idk. the app is not for me personally.