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- I find it odd that people that hate the Wii Colors, and complain that it's mostly 2D, often say they like the DS game more. Which is a purely 2D game. I don't get it.
Something I only noticed while editing the video. A significant portion of the playtime in this game is spent using color powers. Much more than the Wii game. Some levels feel like you barely get to play as Sonic. Might contribute to why I don't find this game as fun.
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I think the reason that there are "alternate" versions of the same game is because you want to aim at two different platforms but you need to share as many assets as possible between both of them; stage drafts, soundtrack and plot is something that you can copy and paste from the Wii to the DS easily; also marketing budget. The DS clings to the Wii's marketing budget and you save money instead of trying to market two different games.
Yes and no, I actually feel like "alternate" games end up cutting into each others profit. As a kid I had Sonic Colors DS first, so when I asked my mother for the Wii Version, she whould say "I thought you already have Sonic Colors".
But if it was called "Sonic Rush 3" or whatever, the average person can easily distinguish between the two games and buying both of them is no longer "Redundant".
@@radiokunio3738mom hit you with that “we have sonic colors at home” lmaoooo
@@radiokunio3738Yeah but the flip side is that they only have to market one game. The DS version benefits greatly from the mindshare afforded to the console version, all without spending a dime. Most kids probably wouldn’t get both games anyway.
@@radiokunio3738This definitely hurts stuff like UnWiished even more. I didn’t even know how different it was from the other Unleashed till well after I had played it. Nicktoons games conditioned me to handheld games not mirroring the console ones, and my family could tell a console apart from a handheld “Gameboy”.
@@runningoncylinders3829omg i grew up on the wii unleashed and was amazed when i got the 360 version
This game is the sole reason why I want a Modern-style 2D Sonic game. Imagine this game with the trick system, no Wisps and Hideki Naganuma as sound director. Imagine the skips you could pull with the air-boost. Imagine being able to stomp, or homing attack reliably in Rush or Rush Adventure. I dare say we would have literal peak on our hands.
I don’t think this game is best viewed as a companion piece, but really as a game that can serve as a completely fulfilling and alternative take on ideas that also are in the Wii game with the same name!
(Arguably, this game is even meatier than the Wii counterpart, especially with story)
Yeah ds port is better
I enjoyed hearing your take on this game! I disagree that the game lacked an identity comparative to the Wii version, especially with the plot. I thought the writing was overall stronger, and I really enjoyed that most of Sonic’s friends were incorporated into the story. I always think it is weird when there is a story where there is a major world event, like Robotnik building a massive space station and swearing he’s good, and major characters that would get involved are seemingly absent. It made more sense to me that the friends would also be around investigating the problem compared to the Wii version.
Honestly, I'll have to disagree, I think Colors script is kinda too simple, so without the comedy from the Wii version, it has not much going for it.
I agree with you. The characters feels a bit more like themselves imo.
@@esdrasreis3481 """""comedy""""
this game being great for me is the reason why I don't feel sad I hate the Wii version so much, even if I hate that game, it's only because of the gameplay, because I REALLY loved the settings, music and I don't even find the story THAT bad, and seeing all of that not being wasted by Colors DS being a much superior game makes me happy
@@bonnymel4506true...
I thought you needed at least 90-120 Precursor Orbs. 50 is a bargain!
i just really like the level design of ds more than the wii version; there was just too much filler for my liking in the og
Same, I prefer DS over Wii and I love how it got its own ultimate patch
I think why i like this game more than the wii Sonic colors despite being a pure 2d game from start to finish is that it isn't trying to be something it isn't unlike the wii version. That game is only a 3D Sonic game in segments and it felt like the 2D segments were just filler, whereas the DS version is a fully 2D game, and it feels more focused in its level design because of that. At least in my opinion
that is literally unfair,who are you to decide what the game is? if the developers want the game to be 3D with 2D parts in it then it is 3D,you can't do anything about that.
@lauraikoko i never said i decide what a game is. I don't mind 2D segments in 3D Sonic games or any game, for that matter. I do consider Sonic Colors a 3D Sonic game. I just kinda don't like how colors handle the 2D sections and how much it overstays it's welcome. The platforming is basic and doesn't have a sense of speed too often. I like how Generations and Unleashed handled 2D segments because they aren't too long and have a good flow with the 3D segments. If you like that, that's great. People can like what they like, but personally, it's just not what im into. The Mario Galaxy games and Odyssey have 2D segments, and i love those games, but they don't overtake their identity as 3D platformers. That's what i think Colors misses the mark for me.
I got this game from a friend during my birthday and I liked it a lot. I do remember going into it knowing that a lot more characters would appear what with me browsing the internet a lot and knowing of this game.
Recently replayed Colors DS for the first time in forever and I can confidently say it’s my preferred version of colors. Mainly just how the characters are handled.
Many years ago my PC wasn't good enough to run Dolphin at acceptable speeds, and I didn't have a Wii to play Sonic Colors. All I had was the DS version on DeSmuME, which I played a lot back then, I even 100% all red rings and Chaos Emeralds.
It was cool, but felt very Sonic Rush, and it wasn't "the real Sonic Colors". I remember it had a story with other characters in missions, but at the time I didn't gave it much thought. It's been more than a decade since I completed this game, and I've since found a new appreciation for this DS version. The Special Stages of this game is in my Top 3 favorite Sonic Special Stages. Sometimes I boot this game just to play them.
Your cutting words to my first introduction to the sonic series hurt my soul. I would play this to death when all I had was a DS
The most fascinating thing about this game is that it has two different wisps from the main game (and is missing two more)... They have the Burst Wisp and the Void Wisp instead of Frenzy, Hover, Cube, and Spike. It feels like some kind of alternate universe, or like version exclusive Pokemon or something. They even had Burst in the 3DS version of Generations as a reference to how it only showed up in the handheld game.
I love the DS version. I never played the Wii version but i can say, as a kids I beat this game like 4 times. Even went back to replay levels for fun. And the opening will always be dope to me, even as an adult today.
I played this game and I agree with some things in the review:
The controls on the red and void wisps.
The missions.
The red rings.
and I had some trouble getting used to the new mechanics,but I still like the game overall.
This was my first Sonic game so I will always have a soft spot for it I replayed it recently this year and enjoyed it a lot
Lol, Colors DS was my fourth sonic game after playing the mobile ports. Really loved it.
Feels so fucking fresh to hear someone finally say the wii version is superior then the ds version
I agree that its not Rush 3 for all the reasons you said, but I like this version way more than the Wii version, and how could I not? It uses the same beautiful engine the Rush games used and that is all the reason I needed to play it.
What holds it back is all the modern elements they try to shoehorn in, especially the homing attack. The Rush homing attack was so perfect because of how unrestricted it was with your movement. Colors DS just brings the homing attack back to square one and its disappointing how we havent seen a homing attack like in Rush since those games.
A lot of your questions about the development of Colors could be answered with the theory that is likely real that both versions of Colors were originally the port of Generations for both the Wii and DS but was eventually decided to be turned into an original game. They do share a lot of similarities, most of the time Sonic games that are development around the same time are almost nothing alike, as seen with Shadow, 06 and Secret Rings, but you can still see a lot of Generations' concepts on Colors.
One example of this is how the story of Colors DS does the same thing as Generations where every character is involved in the story, in Generations there was at least an excuse as for why everyone was dragged into the white void but in Colors, there is no reason as for why everyone decided to be there at the same time, it makes more sense if you consider that they already had the assets and the missions, they just changed up the dialogue to fit better, and the Nega Mother Wisps is probably an early version of Time Eater they decided not to waste, it could explain why the 3DS version of Generations is so barebones, they already used their foundations, ideas and time on the DS version of Colors so the 3DS version had to be a rush job and a last minute decision to not leave the 3DS version behind.
That’s what I’m saying.
Had this game for a long time and even 100% completion I love this game. Also great fun special stages that are actually skill based.
Completely unrelated, but at some point, would you do a video on Sonic Robo Blast 2?
LETS GO HE DID A COVER ON THE DS PORT
cant help it but sonic colors DS is such a cozy game.
I also personally don’t consider Colors DS “Rush 3”
1. The console version came first
2. Blaze cameos but isn’t playable
3. “Rush” isn’t even in the title
But I will say the DS Version is more fun and actually gives the amusement parks life by having many characters cameo in them as a game themed around an intergalactic amusement park should have.
Console version released same day
This WAS my sonic colours, i had no idea that sonic colours was even on the wii at the time
This is the best version in my opinion
While I do agree that this game is "less" than Rush series, and yeah... it's so fast that it turns into memorization.. I like this game a lot, even more than Rush!!
And I actually like the bosses from this version cause when you hit it, it gives you white wisps, then if you boost on certain attacks, they'll drop a color wisp, that makes you defeat them quickly. I liked it a lot when I was a kid and used rocket to kill it faster ^^
Wow Pariah dropping early Christmas presents. What’s next, The Story of Sonic Colours?
A daily video from Pariah is when life IS a dream.
OMG YEEES SOMEBODY ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGED ITS EXISTANCE I NEVER THOUGHT YOUD DO THIS
First he says the hate for the Wii is overblown, and now he says he doesn't like the DS version? Pariah you madman.
I never said that. I like the DS game. Just one of my least favorites.
@@Pariah6950 Fair enough
I resonate with your complaints against “companion piece” titles, the notoriety of their home console versions buried probably thousands of games during the 2000s.
Ubisoft was especially bad with this, their King Kong game based on the Peter Jackson film had *six* completely different versions (GBA, DS, PSP, 2005 phones, 5th generation home consoles, and the Xbox 360), and all of them struggle for attention.
Quote from the description:
“I find it odd that people that hate Wii Colors, and complain that it’s mostly 2D, often say they like the DS game more. Which is purely 2D game. I don’t get it.”
It’s cuz’ all Sonic fans are weird. Especially me.
maybe its just a matter of different expectation between a console sequel to unleashed and a portable handheld platformer which all of them were 2d
@@qstmrk8004 Along with the DS version controlling better and having it's entire level design be designed with 2d in mind. Console 2d isn't the same as playing Rush style 2d and people have different expectations of the "3D Console game" than the 2D handheld game.
As someone who played a lot of the DS version growing up, it all boils down to the DS version having a better story and better level design. Not to say Wii's level design is bad, but the DS' level design has a better flow.
You boost, home attack, stomp on a rail, do a wall jump. It becomes this series of little actions that connect one on another non-stop. The level design was built to maintain that pacing. I reminds me of Wii's Unleashed day time stages level design.
I think it had to do with your ability transitioning between 2D and 3D. Atleast for me it's hard to transition between 3D and 2D in the middle of a level, especially if I'm trying to get a certain time.
With Super Paper Mario you switch between 2D and 3D, but time isn't a concern so I can afford a few seconds of null input to while I transition.
Though this is also likely due to autism and having a more "Monotropic" mindset. Monotropism is the tendency to focus on a single subject or topic at a time, you tend see that more in OCD or autistics.
Which is partially why I prefer SA1 over SA2, because you play as the same character though out each campaign, instead of switching characters for each level. In layman's terms SA1 is for autists (monotropism) and SA2 is for ADHD (polytropism).
The Whole “Sonic fans are weird” buisness was just meant to be joke. It’s not supposed to be taken seriously.
Idk why I never picked this up. I guess it was probably due to the self imposed stigma i had against "handheld versions" of console games at the time. I feel like I wouldve had way more fun woth this than I did with generations on 3DS
I agree with a lot of your criticisms of this game, though I can't help but still prefer this game. But it's mostly my own bias, haha. I just love the Sonic Rush framework, and playing around in it just feels good to me.
This was one of my first Sonic games and actually one of the few I actually played, and I gotta say it's pretty darn good... and although I haven't played Rush or Colors, I'd consider this the Rush;Colors to go alongside Wii/Sonic Colors.
I have a similar problem with Star Wars Battlefront Elite Squadron, the DS and PSP games play so completely differently that it makes you wonder why even both trying to market them as being the same. Especially since the DS game has more plot than the PSP game, but the PSP game is closer to the original Battlefront 3.
This isn’t even mentioning how had Battlefront 3 come out you would have a top down DS game somehow marketing itself as the same as the massive multiplayer Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii game. Speaking of the Wii I genuinely wonder how they were going to make it work on Wii when the 360 and PS3 are significantly more powerful.
As for Sonic Colors DS I have never played it, I only have the Wii version.
About your argument on Colors DS not being Rush 3 because of the new additions to the moveset that originated from Unleashed, remember that Unleashed came out after BOTH Rush games. It's kinda similar to how New Super Mario Bros. added wall jumping, pound grounding, and triple jumps to 2D Mario when they were initially introduced in 3D Mario. So if we got a proper Rush 3 instead, they probably would have still added all these new moves.
Thoughts on the ultrakill update?
I'm assuming the next video will possibly combine both Colours stories because the Wii version is short.
Fun fact I discovered this game years after playing the original cuz of the super sonic boss... To this day I've never played it
If there is one thing I learned as an aging gamer, it’s that absolutely everything good will eventually get re-released, regardless of how unlikely it first seems. Who expected Castlevania Advance collection? Who expected Ducktales remaster? Who expected Goldeneye 64 getting official re-releases?
One thing I liked about this version was the online. It was basically a Sonic version of Mario Kart and you could play shortened stages with 3 laps instead of the original 1 and 2. It was a unique and fun time and I enjoyed it as a time waster. got 9999 points (100 points per win) so yeah it was pretty solid. Same for Sonic Rush Adventures online, though that one was better.
Finally, the best 2D Sonic game.
The only version I’ve played
The only good version tbh
Well holy fuck i missed a lot of videos. Time to get updated idk,,,
Blue Orb guy hates that they're called spheres in this game
I know it doesnt fit with this video but i recently watched your video about your favourite Genesis games and you said that you dont include shmups because you dont like them and I cant understand this. For me personly shmups are one of the best videogame genre of all time. They all have good soundtracks, fast gameplay, high replay value due to score attacking the game. A lot Shmups have in my opinion really great scoring systems with a good amount of depth behind them. Once you get the hang of it, you will have guaranteed a great time. So why you dislike them?
That type of gameplay has just never grabbed me. Too simple, I think.
@Pariah6950 Thank you for your answer.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that disagrees with calling this Rush 3. To me what made Rush *Rush* is the trick system and tension gauge and maintaining it. Colors DS isn't designed around that at all.
Honestly, I really love the DS version even though I hate the Wii version, it really isn't about it being 2D, for me, Colors Wii is an inferior Sonic Forces (Talking about Modern Sonic), while the DS version is just a better Rush, the wisps may be used more here but I don't find it a problem here because pretty much all of them are much better executed, this game has the best use of wisps for me
People don't dislike 2D in 3D Sonic because it's 2D, people dislike 2D in 3D Sonic games because more often than not it's used as filler content, typically with slow, blocky, Marble Zone-like level design (especially in Colors where chunks of stages are reused multiple times to artificially increase the length to 6 acts per zone). In the Rush games and Colors DS, its actual level design, with slopes and alternating paths and a proper sense of speed. Same goes for the rest of Colors DS compared to original Colors, there's generally far less filler garbage.
uhhh...the reason the 2D sections in boost games are slower is cause they're supposed to be easier to design cause they don't need to be as long since they're slower while the 3D sections need to be MASSIVE because of the fact that they're designed to be played for speed,it also allows for more genuine platforming cause of the slower pace. and no,the 2D parts aren't pointless filler cause they have a REASON to exist. what you mean by filler garbage isn't actual filler,it's called padding,and the 2D sections aren't padding cause they have a purpose to exist. if you want to know what is actual padding in colors wii,go watch pariah's last video.
@@lauraikoko This is what proper 2D in a boost Sonic game looks like: th-cam.com/video/0Vd8NwhyIpc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Zzy4pL12JE3S4DqQ
@@miadatenshi9903 idk why it's so hard to grasp that, people love Unleashed's 2D stages, it has everything to do with level design, when people say "There's too much 2D", most of them want to mean "The 2D in this game is boring and drags too much"
You can't "um ACKSHUALLY" a boring game segment into being fun, dude.
@@eddytennyson9546 I wasn't trying to, in fact my entire point was the exact opposite. Colors and Forces' 2D fucking sucks.
Really wish this game was called Sonic Colours: Rush! or something like that to differentiate it from the Wii version, it's literally just Rush 3 that happens to have the same level themes as Sonic Colours (Wii)
There’s no playable Blaze
I do enjoy your takes on these games there are some people who prefer the wii or ds version I enjoyed both of them they're not great still neat
(Sigh) I really wish I got this version instead of the Wii version. At least I made sure to avoid Ultimate like the plague. And the fact I made that decision even before figuring out the... Functionality of it makes me even more glad. I don't need another... THAT game in my life. Though, then again, I suppose Scarlet and Violet are actually that. I can't believe I live in a day and age where I'm actually comparing a Pokemon game to one of the most infamously broken games of all times. How is that possible?
Yay
I also don't think it's "Rush 3" but honestly this might ne my nostalgia for the main game but I think I might like this more than at least the 1st Rush game however I do view it lower than most boost titles in general & Rush 1 obv has the "better" story imo. I would've liked to hear u speak on the 1st "final boss" as the super sonic 1 comes off as an extra thing that feels barely connected to the rest of the game in some ways. I like to view both versions as 2 sides of the same coin whether it be story stuff or or gameplay & SEGA weirdly seems to treat it that way too. I wonder wut another Rush style game wit the new stuff added in C-DS would be like. I feel it would be great but this was the last of that style so oh well.
Is Sonic 4 next?
GOOOOOO!
I dont think I agree with the take that its too different to be considered Rush 3. Dimps litteraly made the advance trilogy beforehand and those barely had many game design philosophies in common.
I have nothing to say about Colors DS so here's a long drawn out anecdote memory I have related to it
It's funny you talked about the "same name different game" shit because I remember after I got super into Colors Wii I asked around my school to see if anyone else in my class had played it [I was in 5th grade so it wasn't THAT cringy and pathetic but if I tried it in middle school proper I would have gotten the shit kicked out of me lol]
Anyway the one kid I found who said anything other than "no" said he had it on DS and loved it and he became my best friend for a few years [until I realized he was a dick and I was only going to his house because he had all the cool consoles and I only had a Wii] and the first time I went over to his house on his birthday [where I got him Sonic and the Secret Rings, the special edition from Target with the Archie comic DVD] I played Colors DS and thought "what the heck is this" [I would have thought "what the fuck is this" but I was 11 and not allowed to think "fuck"]
Poor fat bastard kid must have been as confused as I was when I visited the Sonic Unleashed website after getting stuck at Eggmanland in the Wii version and saw Empire City advertised on the site's map of the planet. "What's that man why isn't that in my game? This sucks..."
Controversial take here. But I like the DS version way more than the Wii version and I think it's the best out of an Rush Trilogy; even though it doesn't have the Rush title in it's name. It has far better level designs, there's no filler levels that you have to do in order to proceed and the Wisp are handled much better here. Also I prefer how it handles it's story & characters there than the Wii version. As far as part of Rush Trilogy, it does many thing right for me. It doesn't have any obnoxious levels and terroble bosses that Rush has and it doesn't have pacing issue to where you need to upgrade stuff to progress and sit on an long ass cutscenes like Rush Adventure has. So yeah. No offense my guy. But DS is awesome and it's one of my favorite Sonic games in general. Next to Generations.
dude there is mod for sonic colors ds to make it widescreen AND ALSO ON ONE Screen
I am aware. I tried it. You don't want to play this game on one screen. All that means is you get less visibility than was intended. You're supposed to be able to see what's above or below you.
@@Pariah6950 well you can get just widescreen pqtch to also see what ahead of you
I find your logic on why this isn’t Rush 3 very flawed. Cause saying that this game adds, changes, or removes features from the Rush games makes it not a Rush game would mean that logic would apply to other games like the Advance series, which changes the controls in it’s different entries, along with having different mechanics in each game. Yet, Sonic Advance 3 is still apart of the Advance trilogy
It's because it specifically removes mechanics from the Rush games, and adds in mechanics from the non-Rush boost games. Rush as a subseries has its unique traits, which this game lacks. It shares more of its traits with other boost games. Unless we want to count Unleashed as a Rush game.
Is this a Rush game, or just a 2D Unleashed/Colors?
All three Advance games are of the same genre and all three of them bear the name "Sonic Advance". This overrides all reasonable arguments about whether they can be considered Advance games or not.
It is a funny thing to call this game Rush 3 because it looks like a Rush game on the surface, but there's just too many differences. It's like calling Colors "Unleashed 2", which I'm sure some people do, but it seems weird.
@@Pariah6950 to be fair though. The main mechanic of Rush is the Boost. The 3D games merely adapted that mechanic, and still go on to play like a Rush game even if it’s not a one-to-one and has its own unique mechanics. However, Colors DS uses the same engine as the Rush games, it’s main mechanic, and adds in it’s own mechanics. I see this is as no different than Advance 3 altering and removing features from Advance 2, like the boost state and trick system, and then adding in the team mechanic. But, to each his own I guess
@@Pariah6950Rush adventure did the same thing. It added new features to the game and IT was using the rush engine. So this argument is already invalid, because just like sonic rush adventure did, colors ds added its own little features in the game. And if I remember in rush adventure, blaze was completely optional! You weren’t forced to play with Blaze! She was an optional character that you get to play as. All colors ds did was just remove her as a playable option!
@@Tylerplays897 But he said Colors REMOVED mechanics from rush too...
I personally feel that this game is ok. I prefer the Wii version but if people prefer this version, more power to them.
:o
Couldn't they just call it Sonic Colors Rush or something
I echo the sentiments of many others, the DS port is way better. The story, levels, everything is done better here.
I played the DS version recently and I don't get the hype for it. I feel there's still too much Dimps moments in the game and I prefer the Wii version.
I think Sonic Rush Adventure sold poorly, which led to Sega to just make companion games of the main games. Colors, Generations, and Lost World also do this. Colors and Generations have alternate takes of the story, with Colors having "the best" because it had less of the crappy humor and more fanservice with all the supporting cast: but frankly, I think the DS version story is super dull, it makes the Rivals ones look better. How will you review the story? Separate videos or the same video?
Wierdly enough, the Sonic Boom games are different. ROL its its own experience, while the 3DS titles are more metroidvania type of game. The stories aren't even the same despite having the same villai in Lyric.
I'm not surprised it sold poorly, I mean, look at that box art.
How did SRA sold poorly? And what about SR and the advance trilogy?
Better than the Wii version
Sonic colors if it was good
@@magolor-3100 FRR
-Better story;
-Better pacing (the missions are optional);
-Better boss fights;
-Better unlockables (Super Sonic playable is cool, but Infinite Boost after collecting all red rings in the DS version does the same thing. Also the Extras Gallery);
-Better level design (in my opinion);
-Secret Super Sonic boss fight (ending the Nega Wisp plot that was left unfinished in the Wii version).
Also I appreciate this version for adding other characters in the zones. It made the parks feel more alive, you know, like a real theme park should be. In the Wii version it felt like Sonic and Tails were the only two people in there.
ITs ok...
Wow, calling colors DS a discount sonic colors… seriously? It’s literally better than the Wii sonic colors.
I think it more memorable then the console version of colors, and it’s honestly more unique then Wii colors. Like starlight carnival is an actual zone compared to the console version.
That and it has better storytelling and more characters than the console version.