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The Orange Pi RK3399 is a pretty extensive board for only US$100. For that you get 4G RAM, an RK3399 SoC, pretty much everything broken out and HDMI recording!
But does it actually work?
Find out in this video.
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Now I remember why I never bother with Rockchip. Some flash tools, upgrade tools, shorting pads on the board. Allwinner just boots OS from SD card without any extra hassle, so much easier.
Interesting that I'm looking forward to the battery testing and only about 2 minutes later
I don't think it necessary...
Thanks for detaching another bomb
Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. I truly find them most helpful.
Thanks mate!
I went to their website at the moment you said "HDMI in" and found order page. This is when having two screens saved me some money because I would order it if not still watching your video at the same time.
Give it some time and it'll be great.
@@MickMake Will do!
Thanks for this video. The surprising thing for me was that you did get the HDMI in working - this being an Orange Pi I expected that not to be functioning at the moment.
Yeah, but it did take a bit of work to get it going.
good job
Yes please on the sata check on the sbc you have that support it . And dam that one looks really flawed on the all OS out for it at the moment thanks for the look around it .
William Hart seconded
Me too, I want that too! Run sata sshds to see how fast that would work. See if you can plug in fast USB 3 sticks to compare speed/cost.
OK. Cool. It’ll take a while to do that video. I’ll need to do it properly, and some of the benchmarks take a couple of days to complete.
@@MickMake We viewers are hard taskmasters! Work Mick work!
Don't work too hard, just give makers nuff info to make an informed decision. 8-))
Yes please, this sata benchmark will be great! Nice video, BTW :) good report on this sbc, as usual
Shows all access points uncensored, later blurs all access points.
On the plus side, I have high hopes for this leading to more SBCs with HDMI in. Would really open up possibilities for the streaming market, especially for people who can't afford to buy an entire new PC just so they can get decent encoding with OBS.
Thanks for the video. It's really deceptive from Orange Pi... Thanks again for the video.
Deceptive how?, your getting what you paid for right?
Well, I actually don’t have an issue with it.
They are selling it “as is”, unlike the original Pine64 debacle, (which they have made up for in the last year and a bit).
That’s why I added my recommendation at the end of the video... it’s an SBC for hackers, not ready yet for novices.
what i love most is the shoddely translated aliexpress page and even worse are the comments. (translated to dutch that is)
I’ve often wondered how good the translations are for non-English languages.
Nice, thanks for sharing :-)
Thanks mate!
For installing the play store you will probably need a little bit more. Typically packaged in something like opengapps
sata review great idea also compare pc/mac to the small for sense scale
Great video explained so well 😃🖖
Thanks mate!
One wonder if you consider to share any other board that would be less complex & can do the job? because I didn't understand not even 10%, that probably indicate that I'm not hacker, I probably can't code at the level that you are to save my life.... Regardless I do see lots of potential for what can be achieved with such a modest hardware, software package...really good video. never the less I did enjoy your hard work.....
And a partridge in a pear tree!!! Or did they forget to include that on the board? :-)
No, but there’s a spy chip there!
Software support seems to be a problem for most of these boards. I have a rockpro64 with the same cpu which has a PCIe x4 interface. The PCIe port doesn't work as it should, I presume due to lack of software support. So now a waiting game has started for complete software/driver support. It sucks. That's why raspberry pi's are still king of the hill if you ask me. Less performance but solid software support.
Did you talk to the guys on the forum ( ayufan etc etc etc ) ...
@@sethrd999 Sort of. I post my experiences on the pine64 rockpro64 linux forum. For example: forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7055&page=5
The thing is: my sata pcie x4 card gets extremely hot (over 80°C) using the rockpro64, so I shut it down to prevent damage. I can see harddrives connected to it however. Tested the card on a regular pc and no heat problems whatsoever. So is this a rockpro64 HW issue? Driver issue? No clue at this point...
I still think that in terms of the choice SoC for 2019. It’ll be the RockChips... eventually.
Give it some time and it’ll start to flourish.
@@MickMake Nopes I believe it will be Odroid's offering.
I’d really pay for a raspi with USB3, proper (safe) shutdown and power management and decent analogue sound. But all these lookalikes shoot for the stars then instead of getting over the moon - land in the pig pen.
SATA comparison? YES! Please please please!
OK. Locked in
Would be interesting to see if the HDMI signal path is similar to the one used on TVs SOCs. So you can create a custom board with HDMI multiplerxer input and add overlays to that source on HW.
I am REALLY tempted to use that Toshiba chip in my PiProjector daughter board. Really, really tempted...
(Ordering some samples now...)
@@MickMake That chip was also intended to be used in a very old Kickstarter to add HDMI input on rpi. The project was halted after the developer discovered that the ISP cannot be programmed from Linux side.
That was back in 2013 I think...
@@tuttocrafting Some company makes little boards with the same chip i think, that you can plug in your rpi to have hdmi input.
@@_DSch Yea, I was talking to have a signal path similar to the one present on TV socs so you can route a HDMI input directly on output and overlay a framebuffer on it directly on hardware so you don't have delay.
Take a look on eevblog video of the LG Oled TV repair for the block diagram I'm talking about.
Very good 👍
Mick, Do an update on this one using the newly released 5.0 Kernel ( Arch pushed out an update for the Rock64 ), everything is pretty much supported ( including HDMI audio spdiff , roch soc audio bits / requirements ) along with other nice new things for watchdogs etc etc.
I think things might stand in a better place with this one.
Looking forward to it
Yeah, I’ve been waiting for the latest kernel update!
@@MickMake Sounds like this could get interesting, perhaps you should do a side by side compare with the other 3399 kits you got.
Would be well worth seeing where any design flaws / bad decisions crept in, looking forward to it for certain.
I would like to see comparative SATA tests.
Also would like to see comparative M.2 tests.
TL;DR "Needs refinement."
Why not use the HDMI-CSI converter chip.....TC358749XBG , it is much straight forward !!
!!!! I had a bit of a hard on when I heard HDMI recording at first, but I deflated very very fast !! Was hoping to use thig in lieu of an Atomos recorder ! SAD !
Yay!
The worst SBC I ever board was from orangepi and the don't seem to have improved in any way shape or form. I would love to hear what you find the most feature complete and well supported SBC with the RK3399
At this point I'd go for the FriendlyARM boards. NanoPi NEO4 is probably the best one in terms of feature complete, size and cost.
DOOOOOOD!
I want to build an ip encoder using an sbc and an sdi hardware encoder. Do you have any suggestions for a board?
HDMI to CSI-2 Adapter is just $34 and can be fit into zillions of boards.
@MickMake How is ethernet performance and in my project, I want to interface a high power wifi card with the SBC. Will it be possible..?
I also want to know about ethernet performance for the similar application. Please let me know.
thanks .what about Banana PI BPI-W2 ? is it good ?
I do have one here ready for review and plan to get on to it soon.
Hi Mick. Do you know if there is out there another board with hdmi input ( maybe with amlogic a311 ) or any other chipset? I had this one, I works fine but I am looking now for something smaller in size. Thanks in advance.
Isn't it an issue with the open source community instead of the device maker? I mean, it's completely normal, that there are lot's of hardware features with no or unstable support, with any Linux on any device. In like 15 years of using Linux on servers and embedded devices, and like 6 years on the desktop, I yet have to see a situation, where there's nothing left to be desired regarding hardware support in a Linux installation.
One of the problems is with companies promising the world and not delivering. The Pine64 had this problem at the start, (but they’ve since fixed it).
Software will always be behind hardware, but it’s good to know exactly what people are getting into.
That’s why I do what I do with these reviews.
Orange Pi... Would you please stop throwing new boards at us and help us running those which you had already released!!
yes please on the sata check
I'd love to see an eDP test with some cheap ips lcd panels you can find on ebay. Curious if it actually works on these boards that have it broken out
That’s an idea. I could do a comparison video across several SBCs with eDP & MIPI-DSI
@@MickMake and if they require any adapter pcb due to pinouts being non standard (like the old ipad screens for 20$ with edp connector) you can make a maker speed run episode :D
I think obs studio dont work in arm...
Rockchip having problems with Ethernet? What a news ... dammit I was expecting good things from them!
Um hardly RockChip, the Ethernet is a RTL 1Gig unit ( like this one ) RTL8211F Gigabit Ethernet
Since under Linux most of these are still in testing iirc its not shabby at all.
He he.
I really want to get in there and fix it, but then it’d take away time for my channel...
Decisions, decisions, decisions.
But yes... the RTL is working on other SBCs, so shouldn’t be a problem here.
I hope that is not the rgmii interface that have problems...
It is hw side if the driver is the same used by other SBCs... And here don't work. (Or DTS if is DTS your lucky)
@@MickMake fwiw Arch is at Kernel 4.20.11-1, on the Rock64 it is kicking it.
[nsollars@archrock ~]$ lsmod
Module Size Used by
realtek 20480 1
rockchipdrm 135168 0
analogix_dp 49152 1 rockchipdrm
dw_hdmi 45056 1 rockchipdrm
cec 65536 1 dw_hdmi
rc_core 57344 1 cec
drm_kms_helper 200704 3 rockchipdrm,dw_hdmi,analogix_dp
dwmac_rk 28672 0
rtc_rk808 20480 1
drm 503808 4 drm_kms_helper,rockchipdrm,dw_hdmi,analogix_dp
stmmac_platform 24576 1 dwmac_rk
stmmac 188416 2 stmmac_platform,dwmac_rk
drm_panel_orientation_quirks 16384 1 drm
syscopyarea 16384 1 drm_kms_helper
sysfillrect 16384 1 drm_kms_helper
sysimgblt 16384 1 drm_kms_helper
fb_sys_fops 16384 1 drm_kms_helper
rockchip_thermal 28672 0
dw_wdt 16384 0
snd_soc_rockchip_spdif 16384 0
Would be interesting to compare what the armbian / regular distro's have vs the current. With that said Linux 5 should be pretty nice.
Could be used to do video streaming to youtube, twitch or facebook? Looks like have some issues of software but I think need a chance.
Thanks a lot MickMake for this video. It really helped me A LOT. I installed the ubuntu ( with hdmi in ) in the emmc successfully . A have a question? Does anyone know how to connect a head shink with fan (12 v) 3 Pins (black, red and yellow). I am trying to add it but so far without success. Thanks.
Can I use this board to stream in analog video through coaxial cable? I realize I would need some sort of converter (don't know what kind) but I only need access to one frame per second. I appreciate a response. Thank you.
Good video.
Following on from the hdmi recording would you be able to test if it can run OBS to do live streaming and at the same time have the input passed through to the output?
Alas you can’t yet output to HDMI at the same time as receiving HDMI. Something to do with the drivers. Dunno...
Theoretically, it shouldn’t be a problem because it’s just a MIPI-CSI signal.
Very nice this review!
I managed to install the Debian9 "HDMI IN" version in the Orange Pi RK3399, but when I try to run your commands to capture the HDMI IN frames, I got a huge amount of messages like this in the console:
rkisp10 ff910000.cif_isp: CIF_ISP_PIC_SIZE_ERROR (0x00000001)
Did you manage to fix something before the video?
Mike, did you try qv4l2 or guvcview? What ffmpeg comand did you used to record? Thanks
Less than stellar it would seem. 4K HDMI recording "pi in the sky".
Nice board, it really has everything. But why have a light sensor on the bottom???
I did think the same aswell, should be easy to trace out to see if its on one of them there I2c bus''s.
Yeah, I was going to play that up in the video. Missed my chance. :-)
Definitely the sensor is coming out on I2C. I’ll have my website article up today. So you’ll be able to see.
I wear socks on my feet (soc), and wiffy is a baby needing a diaper change. Are you going to pronounce sbc next? :-)
Wait a moment - Did you use the "OrangePi-rk3399_Debian9_20171218.img" on the SD Card with Video Capture?
did you try to record a bluray or anything protected with hdcp and what do you get
Alas. It currently doesn’t support HDCP and probably won’t for a while now.
Thanks for taking the time to test various sbc. After watching your review video, I ended up getting the Rock64 for openmediavault. Ever is running ok but my files transfer speed is Max out to 20 up and 25 down. The Rock64 is plugged in using ethernet cable to my router gigabit port. Transferring from my surface pro 3 connected to the router with AC wifi. Can you please suggest anything that I can do to speed it up. Thanks.
What kind of storage device are you using? Also, make sure the storage is plugged into the one USB3 port. The USB 2 ports would likely yield about the speeds you are seeing.
@@JesseSightler
I'm using the new WD Blue 2.5" HDD with Sabrent USB 3.0 to SSD / 2.5-Inch SATA I/II/IIIHard Drive Adapter (EC-SSHD), connected to the Rock64 USB3 port. When I connect the HDD with the adapter dirctly to my PC usb3 port I got 90 - 110 Mb/s transfer speed.
It's not there yet
It’s OK for hackers though!
I see I'm not the only one still living in 2018 :D
Oh heck. Did I miss something again?!
I’ll have to rewatch it now...
What the gstreamer command did you used to record video?
Para esse montante, eu prefiro comprar um mini pc com o Windows 10.
Às vezes, é isso que acontece.
Is "guyro" an Aussie thing or a Mick thing?
Oh, it’s probably a “me” thing. I’ve been known to mispronounce words sometimes.
:-)
Surprised that you don't make your own MickPi with the affiliation with JLC
What I was able to take away from this is that while the Orange Pi RK3399 has a lot of features it's pretty much worthless because none of the Android apps will run. Why would they even be selling such a worthless product?
Well, it’s the same “chicken and egg” problem. They have to release a board for people to hack around with before it becomes mature.
All those Pi-like-boards will land in garbage when better and cheaper SoCs come out.
IoT world needs 7nm chips and not overheating oldschool SBCs. Besides they have to start using different languages and frameworks like C# / .NET
because Python does not belong to very efficient scripts for embedded devices.They also should look into smooth cross platform IDE - like VSC (not crappy Arduino)
Not even a good doorstop. Oh orangepi, foul temptress!
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a person handcraft make cannot do that...
only computer robotic assembly can do that
Fairly typical. All these pi "clones" still fail to understand that it is the software that makes or breaks a good product. Even after all these years they are still focussing on the wrong areas.
your 8 bit video
Yup! A milestone!
:( i was late this time
Wow it cost way to much. Can get other better system for better price.
Interesting overview, try one of the rock64pro images here ( latest kernel )
github.com/ayufan-rock64/linux-build/releases
Let us know how it goes, I wonder if this board is borrowing from the Rock64 / other guys.
Thanks mate.
A few people have been using NanoPi NEO4 images with success, (mixed).
A lot of the RK3399 based SBCs have identical designs, so you should be able to mix and match images.
Great video exposing the china junk.... saved me some $$
Hardware great, much promise. Software abysmal. I've experienced that with another manufacturer. They released another board with better software support instead of fixing the drivers etc on the first one!
Is there a good way to pitch in and help make working software for the Orange Pi? Does anyone know what's really needed to do this for Orange and other vendors?
Yes!
Go visit the Armbian forums. Igor is a great bloke and determined to bring some standardization in for ARM based SBCs.
@@BobPegram As Mick says pick a Distro and get on the forums. Ask questions ( alot of them ), As ive shown there are alot of people moving on these SBC's / SoC's, Just as a start you might want to look at this,
opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Main_Page
RockChip has been pretty damn solid with a BSP ( Board Support Package ) that is getting very refined / bugs ironed out. With support from the community over all this is how this gets fixed. It was not long ago getting Arch Linux installed on the Rock64 was not doable easily, now as ive shown this board sings pretty much.
Also look on the link in my first comment,
github.com/ayufan-rock64/linux-build/releases
There is alot of information here also, the Rock64/Pro forums are very active with cool people aiming to help out where they can ( ergo they dont bite )..
You have to give these things time, we dont need complainers we need people that do things, you will find this interesting but I had this very same conversation at the local makerspace here with people who purchase the latest boards then just moan when not spoon fed an OS to run on the bloody thing, clearly the boards are not for them.
Linux on ARM is still very much maturing and in a huge amount of flux with so many SoC's SBC's available, and yes I know Arm graphics support is awful but with freedrino and now Panfrost/midgard and Bifrost it looks like Mali on the RockChips is well on its way.
As always, the software seems to be unfinished. They can bash the hardware out in a week but software is simply missing. Sad.
No development software teams, keep away.
good hardware + crappy OS support = waste of money. sadly.
Just enough effort to list the peripherals on the sales page. I figure these companies are operating like old console video game developers. "Let's rush everything we do for pointless arbitrary release dates that result in a continuous stream of sub par crap."
Thanks for showing the company's managerial ineptitude. It's just another overpriced window frisbee of a project.
-Jake
Earlier than my normal view I'm the 104 viewer .
Yup, I’m playing around with publish times. I’ll be explaining this in a channel update soon.
@@MickMake was wondering and cool man past few weeks your uploads are one of the nicer things on a Monday .wish there was a generic OS out for the rockchip 3399 socket .
What a bag of bollox Android is on this. Crikey
TLDR, it's shit