He was the reason I became a Mets fan back when in 1985. Been with the Mets since through all the bad seasons. He is getting his jersey retired on April 14th wish I could be there.
Hey Mr. 8 ball, this site isn't for weirdo druggie comments. It demonstrates bad taste and lack of respect. We are discussing the great NY Mets 1980s era. Show some class and ''keep it real''.
Doc was unbelievably dominant in his prime. I grew up a Mets fan in the 80s and watched almost every game he pitched. If you didnt watch him you wouldnt believe how good he was.
Doc & Darryl are such fascinating stories. Glad to hear that they've turned things around in the past decade, and I hope that they can stay sober till the end.
Finally got around to watching. Well worth the wait. Gooden represents the promise of what "could've been" as he himself acknowledged. Some sources credit him with that 2000 championship. Others don't. Black, white, it doesn't matter. Addiction is still addiction and he has tried to fight it everyday. The best line attributed to him goes like this, "19-21; greatest pitcher in the World. 21-23; above average. 23 on...just another guy" which is bad because he was certainly a great pitcher. Again, thank you for this. Go O's!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! And you're right, just because he wasn't posting a 1.50 ERA or striking out more than 200 consistently doesn't mean he wasn't a generational talent. Go O's!
Doc was so good. I didn't know Gary Sheffield was his nephew, they are only four years apart! Learn something new everyday, I suppose. Don't know if he's too old to cover, but Johnny Mize would be a good one to cover.
If during the 1986 World Series anyone would have said that Gooden and Clemens weren't going to the Hall of Fame, I would have said that they were nuts❗ 😲
His most impressive feat may have been his no-hitter with the Yankees, he was electric and untouchable in his early years with the Mets, but I've always been impressed by older pitchers that can use their brain to dominate even after their velocity has dropped.
16 seasons, Sandy Koufax pitched for 12. A lot of people may call that a blasphemous comparison, but it's really not that absurd if you compare the numbers. I think Doc's off-field conduct is the main reason he's not in.
This is not a bad argument. I disagree, I think. Koufax retired because of pain and he was otherworldly dominant for longer, I believe. Gooden deserved (and has) a place in the Hall, but I don't know if he should be enshrined. (Though I am happy to have an auto card of his.)
@@k.s.nichols4060Koufax had a better career overall, I just mean the longevity argument against Gooden doesn't really hold up since there are HOFers with shorter careers than him.
@@fluoriteheals You watch pitching contempt today, and a curve that gets a jelly leg is a top pitch of the day, while DG did that multiple times a game.
People have no idea how good he was. Before age 25, Gooden was already 100-39 with 1067 strikeouts. He had already won Rookie of the Year, a Cy Young, was a four time All-Star and a World Series champion
I still love my 1984 Fleer Update set with Doc Gooden, and my regular 1984 Fleer with Strawberry. Those were 2 of my favorite sets as a child and I was able to recently acquire both of them.
I've commented this before on a baseball video, not sure if it was on this channel, but my favorite band (The Mountain Goats) actually have a song about Doc Gooden called, well, "Doc Gooden". It focuses on his no-hitter with the Yankees, and just generally captures the feeling of watching an aging veteran who's nearing the end of the line but still has a few good tricks left up his sleeve.
You might be interested: I saw Mountain Goats summer '98 at some tiny club in downtown NYC with about 17 people in the crowd, and he played brand new song he'd written about Sosa & McGwire. This was when whole world was obsessively following the HR chase and I think MOST of us did not yet realize those guys were walking science experiments- so his song was rhapsodic & romantic, which in retrospect seems naive... But I've never seen or heard any mention of it, I feel like I'm the only person in the world who is aware it exists- or at least existed for that one night. I don't know if he ever performed it again. I only remember these lines, not quite verbatim but close: I've lost my youth and I've lost my looks All I've got is this goddam date With the goddam history books
Great memories of the Doc, and another great choice as well as nicely done. My father took me to a Mets game at Shea in 1987, when they were champs the previous year. One thing about that 1987 year, Gooden was suspended for the first couple of months and the Mets finished in 2nd place with three games back. Had he been able to play in the beginning of the season, the Mets probably win the division and Doc most likely wins the CY Young award, as it went to closer that season. There is the "what if" with Doc Gooden. He probably had the best start you could possibly have as a pitcher considering his age.
God bless Dwight Gooden. Brings many happy memories for me w my father as a kid. He was so dominant at a young age. Never seen a better pitcher in his prime til this day.
Saw him pitch in the Astrodome in 1986. He was as good as advertised. They call a curveball an Uncle Charlie, but they called Gooden’s curveball Lord Charles
Crazy how those 80s Mets weren’t a dynasty with all that crazy ish they did and still smoked foos on the baseball field..read stories and watching the history makes this all too amazing to appreciate baseball more
Unfortunately, probably not. His window is closing. I think he should be in, there isn't another closer with his kind of numbers that's eligible and not in.
We had friends that had season tickets in the front row, right by the Astros bullpen, this is back in the Dome days when the bullpen was on the field along the RF line. My brother and I used to stick our hands through the railing when he was warming up, and you could feel the wind break when his fastball went by, and hear the fizzzzzzzzzle POP! I'll never forget that.
Sad what the Dodgers did to him. His screwball was alien levels of disgusting. Had he not have been worked the way he was, I could see him having longer career similar to Carl Hubbell.
I remember an article back in ‘85 about how Doc threw 95 mph fastballs. Call me crazy but his pitches look WAY faster than dudes 97-99 mph pitches today.
Hahahaha I don’t know why it’s so funny, but I love the little bit about his debut and showing up early. I feel like it’s such a nervous 19 year old thing to do haha
Doc had 544 strikeouts in his first 2 seasons. Had he actually stayed away from drugs and alcohol and focused on his health, he might have torn is up in his prime. Dare I say that he could have played till he was 40 and rolled right along with Nolan Ryan in strikeout totals.
Everyone should watch the 30 for 30 called 'Once Upon a Time in Queens'. Every team in the 80's was taking amphetamine (Adderall) Dexedrine (dexamphetamine) and Ritalin (Methylphenidate). They kept a jar of em in the Mets clubhouse out in the open. I hope Doc is clean. Daryl got clean and runs a couple of treatment clinics now.
Gooden and Strawberry should have had iconic careers and set records that might still be around today but drugs are a cruel, cruel mistress. Steve Howe is another one.
Doc Gooden was great for his first two seasons, and then he really fell off. His 1985 season was one of the best seasons a starting pitcher has ever had in the major leagues. He only had two pitches. A fast ball and a curve. He peaked when he was 21 years old!
Sutcliffe unanimously winning Cy Young over him in ‘84 is one of the most egregious instances of award voting in MLB history that there’s no way it couldn’t have been racially motivated
Doc Gooden took a no-decision in the Yankees-Indians 1997 playoff game because Mariano Rivera blew the lead. Gooden surrendered one earned run through 5-2/3 innings; the Yankees were up, 2-1. Had Rivera not allowed Cleveland to tie the score in the eighth inning, Doc might have had his only post-season win. The Indians went on to take the game and, ultimately, the series.
If Doc Gooden played today he would struggle to make a high school team because nowadays 13 year olds are throwing harder than he was because evolution
His career saddens me a little, he had all the characteristics of someone who should have been among the best pitchers of all-time. Fortunately he's been on the bright side of his battle with drugs and serves as both a cautionary tale and an example of keeping the fight against your demons alive!
Mickey Mantle hit the ball in the middle out of the park more than 500 times. Sure, hard partying improves nobody's health, but what cost Doc Gooden a longer shelf life was the fact that the Mets overworked him. He had his first injury at age 26. Yes, 26! Most players are only coming into their prime at that age! The innings overload to which the Mets subject Dwight Gooden turned him into an old man while he was still young.
11.394 is how it's listed for 1984 mlb pitching leaders (perhaps you're checking a different site?): www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/1984-pitching-leaders.shtml
@@Cam23 I'm going to have to take the L on this one. Is it actually possible that it was miscalculated years ago? Unless that stat was changed alá Cobb's hit total(because I swear it was 11.49), I'll just have to stand corrected.
@@kingcassius2586 that's a good question! Who knows, although I think they'd probably have to change more than handful of strikeouts after the fact in order for it to come down nearly .1 K/9
You would probably be surprised how many athletes do, Doc and Darryl were just extreme examples because their addiction was so severe they couldn't really hide it in public life.
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He was the reason I became a Mets fan back when in 1985. Been with the Mets since through all the bad seasons. He is getting his jersey retired on April 14th wish I could be there.
maybe you guys can meet up and do an 8 ball together.
Hey Mr. 8 ball, this site isn't for weirdo druggie comments. It demonstrates bad taste and lack of respect. We are discussing the great NY Mets 1980s era. Show some class and ''keep it real''.
At his apex he was as good as any pitcher that ever lived
No doubt, what he did at 19 is so fucking cool
Doc was unbelievably dominant in his prime. I grew up a Mets fan in the 80s and watched almost every game he pitched. If you didnt watch him you wouldnt believe how good he was.
Doc & Darryl are such fascinating stories. Glad to hear that they've turned things around in the past decade, and I hope that they can stay sober till the end.
I think the Mets will be on the right side of history for honoring these two.
Finally got around to watching. Well worth the wait. Gooden represents the promise of what "could've been" as he himself acknowledged.
Some sources credit him with that 2000 championship. Others don't. Black, white, it doesn't matter. Addiction is still addiction and he has tried to fight it everyday. The best line attributed to him goes like this, "19-21; greatest pitcher in the World. 21-23; above average. 23 on...just another guy" which is bad because he was certainly a great pitcher.
Again, thank you for this. Go O's!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! And you're right, just because he wasn't posting a 1.50 ERA or striking out more than 200 consistently doesn't mean he wasn't a generational talent.
Go O's!
Doc was so good. I didn't know Gary Sheffield was his nephew, they are only four years apart! Learn something new everyday, I suppose. Don't know if he's too old to cover, but Johnny Mize would be a good one to cover.
In 1985 I was sure Gooden was going to win 400 games in his career.
Well based on what he’d done to that point, who could blame you? Incredible.
If during the 1986
World Series anyone
would have said that
Gooden and Clemens
weren't going to the
Hall of Fame, I would
have said that they
were nuts❗ 😲
His most impressive feat may have been his no-hitter with the Yankees, he was electric and untouchable in his early years with the Mets, but I've always been impressed by older pitchers that can use their brain to dominate even after their velocity has dropped.
Gooden should be in the Hall IMO, his prime was so dominant and long enough and he put up enough counting stats to deserve induction.
16 seasons, Sandy Koufax pitched for 12. A lot of people may call that a blasphemous comparison, but it's really not that absurd if you compare the numbers. I think Doc's off-field conduct is the main reason he's not in.
This is not a bad argument. I disagree, I think. Koufax retired because of pain and he was otherworldly dominant for longer, I believe. Gooden deserved (and has) a place in the Hall, but I don't know if he should be enshrined. (Though I am happy to have an auto card of his.)
@@k.s.nichols4060Koufax had a better career overall, I just mean the longevity argument against Gooden doesn't really hold up since there are HOFers with shorter careers than him.
His curve was humiliating! So many jelly legs and flat out crash landings.
The curveball, the ORIGINAL ankle breaker! 🤣
@@fluoriteheals You watch pitching contempt today, and a curve that gets a jelly leg is a top pitch of the day, while DG did that multiple times a game.
@@jeffreybomba I bet some of those dudes see it in their nightmares! LMAO
@@fluoriteheals Nightmares about being on the wrong end of the highlight reel!
@@jeffreybomba YUP! THAT TOO LMAO!!
People have no idea how good he was. Before age 25, Gooden was already 100-39 with 1067 strikeouts. He had already won Rookie of the Year, a Cy Young, was a four time All-Star and a World Series champion
I still love my 1984 Fleer Update set with Doc Gooden, and my regular 1984 Fleer with Strawberry. Those were 2 of my favorite sets as a child and I was able to recently acquire both of them.
Nobody:
Cam23: TO THE NEXT LEVEL
Climax of the vid 😎
I've commented this before on a baseball video, not sure if it was on this channel, but my favorite band (The Mountain Goats) actually have a song about Doc Gooden called, well, "Doc Gooden". It focuses on his no-hitter with the Yankees, and just generally captures the feeling of watching an aging veteran who's nearing the end of the line but still has a few good tricks left up his sleeve.
I don't recall hearing about this before that's really cool! I'll make sure to check that out
You might be interested: I saw Mountain Goats summer '98 at some tiny club in downtown NYC with about 17 people in the crowd, and he played brand new song he'd written about Sosa & McGwire. This was when whole world was obsessively following the HR chase and I think MOST of us did not yet realize those guys were walking science experiments- so his song was rhapsodic & romantic, which in retrospect seems naive...
But I've never seen or heard any mention of it, I feel like I'm the only person in the world who is aware it exists- or at least existed for that one night. I don't know if he ever performed it again. I only remember these lines, not quite verbatim but close:
I've lost my youth and I've lost my looks
All I've got is this goddam date
With the goddam history books
Great memories of the Doc, and another great choice as well as nicely done. My father took me to a Mets game at Shea in 1987, when they were champs the previous year. One thing about that 1987 year, Gooden was suspended for the first couple of months and the Mets finished in 2nd place with three games back. Had he been able to play in the beginning of the season, the Mets probably win the division and Doc most likely wins the CY Young award, as it went to closer that season. There is the "what if" with Doc Gooden. He probably had the best start you could possibly have as a pitcher considering his age.
This is one of your best videos yet, keep up the great work!
Thank you Retro! 🙌🏼
God bless Dwight Gooden. Brings many happy memories for me w my father as a kid. He was so dominant at a young age. Never seen a better pitcher in his prime til this day.
Saw him pitch in the Astrodome in 1986. He was as good as advertised. They call a curveball an Uncle Charlie, but they called Gooden’s curveball Lord Charles
Interestingly, going into spring training 1985, Doc wasn't the Mets best pitcher. That would have been a fellow by the name of Sidd Finch.
I believe SRS did a fantastic video on that legend!
Showtime boys!!! Doc had all the tools.
Gooden, so dominant. I remember his Topps '85 card. I was glad he was able to bounce back to pitch well in the mid 90s for Cleveland and NYY.
just stopping by to say i cant wait for "The INSANE Prime of Will Clark" video :) ❤
Crazy how those 80s Mets weren’t a dynasty with all that crazy ish they did and still smoked foos on the baseball field..read stories and watching the history makes this all too amazing to appreciate baseball more
Insane Prime of Billy Wagner would be cool. Future Hall of Famer.
Unfortunately, probably not. His window is closing. I think he should be in, there isn't another closer with his kind of numbers that's eligible and not in.
We had friends that had season tickets in the front row, right by the Astros bullpen, this is back in the Dome days when the bullpen was on the field along the RF line. My brother and I used to stick our hands through the railing when he was warming up, and you could feel the wind break when his fastball went by, and hear the fizzzzzzzzzle POP! I'll never forget that.
Great video. Loved 80s/90s and early to mid 2000s baseball. Doc's talent would hold it's own against any pitcher.
Thank you!
TO THE NEXT LEVEL needs it's own lil graphic bit! Love your work, dude!! Keep it up!!
Haha 😂 Thank you, I really appreciate that! 🙌🏼
Can you do Fernando Valenzuela?
Breathe through your eyelids!🤣
I agree ☝️
Sad what the Dodgers did to him. His screwball was alien levels of disgusting. Had he not have been worked the way he was, I could see him having longer career similar to Carl Hubbell.
Doc n Darryl best one two punch in Mets history he could pitch ⚾️
First time on this channel; this is a very good video about one of my favorite pitchers, the great Doc Gooden. I'm now subscribed 🍻🍻
Thank you, and welcome to the channel! 😎
I'm crying right now
Awesome video as usual Cam! Great stuff! Still hoping you'll do a Timmy Lincecum video! Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Great suggestion he's on the list for a video soon. Lincecum fits the mold of an insane prime as good as anyone I can think of
I remember an article back in ‘85 about how Doc threw 95 mph fastballs. Call me crazy but his pitches look WAY faster than dudes 97-99 mph pitches today.
The best Gooden "comparison" was prime Pedro as I grew up on him. Even then, still not close.
1985 was the greatest season a pitcher ever had “
Hahahaha I don’t know why it’s so funny, but I love the little bit about his debut and showing up early. I feel like it’s such a nervous 19 year old thing to do haha
Your content is always great buddy! Keep it up 🎉🎉
Thank you so much Chris!
Doc had 544 strikeouts in his first 2 seasons. Had he actually stayed away from drugs and alcohol and focused on his health, he might have torn is up in his prime. Dare I say that he could have played till he was 40 and rolled right along with Nolan Ryan in strikeout totals.
That's Crazy!!! Amazing Stats 😮
He should be in the hall as the youngest pitcher to ever win cy 24-3 record as a kid “ a record that hasn’t been broken in over 3 decades
I sure miss the days of pitching complete games.
very underrated hitter as well
Everyone should watch the 30 for 30 called 'Once Upon a Time in Queens'.
Every team in the 80's was taking amphetamine (Adderall) Dexedrine (dexamphetamine) and Ritalin (Methylphenidate). They kept a jar of em in the Mets clubhouse out in the open.
I hope Doc is clean. Daryl got clean and runs a couple of treatment clinics now.
Juan Gonzalez hopefully
Any chance we could get a Daryl Boston video? He was my favorite player when i was a kid.
Can you do a vid on Eric Gagne? He won a Cy Young as a Reliever in 2003 and no other relief pitcher has won the award since.
Awesome vid 👍👍👍👍🔥🔥
Thank you Sergio!
Gooden and Strawberry should have had iconic careers and set records that might still be around today but drugs are a cruel, cruel mistress. Steve Howe is another one.
Baseball is weird about this, Doc was on the 96 roster, even though he didn't play in the playoffs, he still should get a ring.
HE FREAKING OWNED EVERYONE AT THE PLATE!
We’re witnessing Spencer Strider break all Docs records! Doc loved him some Coke
Doc Gooden was great for his first two seasons, and then he really fell off. His 1985 season was one of the best seasons a starting pitcher has ever had in the major leagues. He only had two pitches. A fast ball and a curve. He peaked when he was 21 years old!
What could have been!!!!
A Mark Grace video would be cool
I'm easy always a good video.i know you'll not be able to find coverage but I'd love to see some on older players or dynasties.
Thank you! Old-timey baseball is a realm I'd like to tap into at some point, just have to figure out the best way to do it with virtually no footage
@@Cam23 I totally understand man sports was more of a radio thing way back when,whatever you decide to do I'm sure it'll be top notch!
Sutcliffe unanimously winning Cy Young over him in ‘84 is one of the most egregious instances of award voting in MLB history that there’s no way it couldn’t have been racially motivated
Doc Gooden took a no-decision in the Yankees-Indians 1997 playoff game because Mariano Rivera blew the lead. Gooden surrendered one earned run through 5-2/3 innings; the Yankees were up, 2-1. Had Rivera not allowed Cleveland to tie the score in the eighth inning, Doc might have had his only post-season win. The Indians went on to take the game and, ultimately, the series.
Can you make about Robin Yount's prime,he's my best player of all time
These days we are lucky if a starting pitcher goes past the 6th inning
What’s the name of the instrumental at 16:06?
The Næckbræker by Matt Large 🎵
He should definitely be in the MLB Hall of Fame. WTH?
If Doc Gooden played today he would struggle to make a high school team because nowadays 13 year olds are throwing harder than he was because evolution
Justin Verlander is rightly considered a power pitcher. Next to a Doc Gooden (parallel universe) Verlander might not be more than just "good".
His career saddens me a little, he had all the characteristics of someone who should have been among the best pitchers of all-time. Fortunately he's been on the bright side of his battle with drugs and serves as both a cautionary tale and an example of keeping the fight against your demons alive!
I've always felt that we can learn the most from the "saddest" stories. Luckily, Doc's has turned out to be a much more positive one as of now!
Mickey Mantle hit the ball in the middle out of the park more than 500 times. Sure, hard partying improves nobody's health, but what cost Doc Gooden a longer shelf life was the fact that the Mets overworked him. He had his first injury at age 26. Yes, 26! Most players are only coming into their prime at that age! The innings overload to which the Mets subject Dwight Gooden turned him into an old man while he was still young.
4:38 His K per 9 was 11.49
If you leave off the last digit it should be rounded up to 11.5 K per 9.
11.394 is how it's listed for 1984 mlb pitching leaders (perhaps you're checking a different site?): www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/1984-pitching-leaders.shtml
@@Cam23 I'm going to have to take the L on this one. Is it actually possible that it was miscalculated years ago? Unless that stat was changed alá Cobb's hit total(because I swear it was 11.49), I'll just have to stand corrected.
@@kingcassius2586 that's a good question! Who knows, although I think they'd probably have to change more than handful of strikeouts after the fact in order for it to come down nearly .1 K/9
@@Cam23 I'm thinking maybe it was officially miscalculated at some point.
Yankees legend Doc Gooden
Nomar !!!
Rod Carew, Carlos Delgado, or Ralph Kiner.
George Brett
Chase utley or Steve Carlton
Gotta do Dave Winfield!
If it wasn't for drugs, he would've been one of the best ever. That rising fastball was so unhittable.
I love how doc missed the championship parade because he was busy getting high in a motel room on long Island
I'm a Phillies fan. I can't stand the Mets, but I respect Doc.
I liked my own comment
I liked your mom’s comment
Damn right.
I commented on my own like
I still want will Clark
Pudge Rodriguez
Mike Mussina would be a good one
Coca Cola
cocaine is a wicked pitch to have in your arsenal ....
Tiger blood
Ryne Sandberg!!!
Doc and strawberry could have been special if they could have stayed off the dope
Babe Ruth
Reggie Jackson
Day 22 of asking for Ted Williams
Thats a tough one bc noone likes the Red Sox
@@bobbywhelan6668 yeah but Ted Williams was the best
He was robbed of 1985 MVP
LOL at twirl. Pitchers don't twirl!
I did not coin the term twirl for the record 😂it is absolutely something I've heard on many occasions via broadcast haha
@@Cam23 they hurl, but surely don't twirl
@@aaacomp1 y dont u both agree to disagree and move on it aint that deep
UGH COKE! What a waste!
They won BECAUSE of the coke...trust me
The best prime ever was Pedro Martinez
A-Rod
Ok that’s better though he did take drugs
You would probably be surprised how many athletes do, Doc and Darryl were just extreme examples because their addiction was so severe they couldn't really hide it in public life.
Too bad the Mets over used him.
Alex Rodriguez
Not to downplay it, but Gooden's ' prime' was one season, or maybe two at most. The rest was a huge disappointment.
His prime was pretty much 1986-1990
He was never Seaver
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yeah, the prime of his drug habit.