Yep...its a fun one Jon! Its really stable in high alpha but I think even more stable in inverted HA like most planes are. Lot of rudder input for me too. Very nice flying buddy! Oh...cut my missiles off too...lol. I added some tail weight and use 3700's to get the balance more rearward...it takes off normal that way, but if its a bit nose heavy it always jumps off the ground at a higher speed. Nice drone footage as well. Great job on the vid buddy!
It might need to balance further back to have the stability I'm looking for with inverted high alpha. It's far more enjoyable upright, quite the opposite from the F-22. Thanks Adam!
Between, you Adam and Brian. I know I’m getting the most in depth knowledge and honest review of these planes. I just subscribed today after watching you for over a year now. Sorry about that, thought I already had. Thanks for you guys commitment to the hobby and pushing the envelope of what these amazing planes are capable of.
I’m amazed at how much info is in this vid. I took mine out today for a successful maiden using flaperons for takeoff. Since I swapped receivers most of my safe and as3x gains/angles were off just due to my guesswork. I’ll be updating them tomorrow morning with these settings!
Great Job on the Demo Jon !! I retired as an Airline pilot with 38 years of flying with a major airline. Been flying RC planes for 5 years. I have been flying this F16 for 2 years and its a very well designed jet, that's why its very east to fly ! I fly circles around my 2 friends that have a free wing f15 ! Keep up the good work Jon !!!
Complete in what way? This is a pretty basic setup that's mostly covered by the manual. Join us on Discord and we can share the 70mm file for IX and NX radios, though it does take a considerable amount of time to do. If you're willing to hit the Super Thanks button, it certainly makes it easier to do this sort of thing for you!
Anytime Randy! Don't be afraid of this model - the stall tests showed that it just floats to the ground like a leaf with full elevator commanded. It's very hard to crash this thing.
It is nice now bud I like that you have gone into depth on setups and flying as I have learned alot. I really do appreciate you, taking the time now since I first messaged you. Since then I have moved up from flying 50mm jets and only 1.5 m high wing planes and up to 1.5m warbirds up into the big 1700mm and 1800mm warbirds and up to the 80mm and 90mm jets. Thank you for all the effort you put in to help people like me it really make a huge difference as in 4 months I moved all the way up
Awesome flight Jon. This F-16 has been a favorite of ours for years. I currently own three of them. One stock, one upgraded motor and one with all gear and extra weight removed for hand launching and ultimate alpha. Here's one of our custom F-16's and we get as low as you can go in this video.
My 70 mm Freewing F-16 is also very stable in high alpha. I can do extremely slow high alpha with it as I have shown on my channel. I'm running a 4S with a homemade EDF. No gyro, but a gyro would be nice on windy days.
nice video my friend I've had this jet for quite a few years now it was my first jet I've learned to fly..loved it ever since..cant wait to see your setup and mixing video if you make one..I would love to see its mixing capabilities thanks
Freaking love this Tbird. Loved it more when it was $300 when it was first released....lol. She's very light and responsive. Great battery times. And yes...the high alpha is phenomenal. With a nice 6-10knt head wing and it's really fun. Love landing it when it's breezy. Probably have 300+ flights on this one and she's still my fav! Yes, the control surfaces will wear out and the battery latch....sucks! The plastic will break. So, I just modded it and replaced with magnet lock and it works great! Funny you mention it... I've recommended this one as a first EDF jet. I just emphasize that you gotta get that nose up on landing like the real F16. The come in at sometime like 11.5° AOA on Approach. Met a real F16 pilot when I was flying and he was amazed at how realistic the landings are.
@@TwoBrosRC Well, get their newest 80mm F16...lol. full stabs and... very scale gear! I've got that too and it does fly a bit heavier. Good bird... no doubt but the Tbird is just one of those have fun do crazy stuff with. Stays light tol cause ya can't really get anything more than a 4000 in it lol. Kinda funny thing you can do with the new 80mm F16. Thrust reverse! It has the new spectrum ESC and you can reverse the thrust after landing. It actually works to slow ya down. It isn't as effective as say a jetliner reverse but... it does work. Looks pretty cool too. Kicks up dust off the runway outta the bottom cheater vents...lol.
This is an incredible RC! I was able to pick one up from my uncle who was killed in a workplace accident. He would have wanted me to go high alpha but I'm still struggling with the controls.
We covered how to perform high alpha during the flights - if you're curious about how to do it, watch through and you'll see. It's really not hard at all!
I’ll be adding flaperons to my 70mm f16 next week. The DuPont connector just arrived and reminded me. You snip, and then crimp the three connector pins to the wires, and then crimp the plastic plug? It sounded like you are just throwing the plug on the cut wires and crimping those together. That sounds way easier.
Yep, that's all there is to it. Cut one of the leads going into the plug and strip the wires, then run them into the metal connectors and crimp them on. Slide them into the plug and enjoy!
But it's worth it though! Please consider picking this model up via our vid description links - we work directly with Horizon now and it seriously helps us out at no cost to you. Thanks buddy!
You unhook the Y-cable and plug in each aileron to the ports the receiver calls for. Or if there's no Y-cable, you cut one of the leads and crimp on a new Y-connector. The info should be in the video.
Nice flying, I fly mine without landing gear and handlaunch, we have no hard surface only grass at the club. Handlaunch can not be easier than with this plane, full power, nose 30 degrees up and go.
No, it was for the second antenna. We prefer having radio link security when flying at an airport. You could program flaperons into the 631 by unlocking it.
Awesome!!! not just Edf but the Pilot that make a big difference. l set reverse thrust on this, but not a good Jet for that. Work much better on 80 mm. 👍
i have same plane and its top speed with the 5280 bluefire afterburner and max speed hit 61mph without the afterburner its 83mph. the diameter of the burner was larger than the motor and obstructed airflow. i put the burner into my 90mm no issues. 5280 didnt mention the massive loss of power including the fact i nearly crashed it on takeoff bc it took about 3x as much distance to lift off and that was not mentioned in the directions or papers from 5280. i find that worrysome bc anyone could use it including a beginner. great video great flight thats the easiest plane to fly and land that i own now. lolol check out some videos i fly thru a hallway with that same edf.
@TwoBrosRC im not worried about speed either. Its a lazy flyer and when its unable to do a power loop without diving for run up speed, i start looking at speed and numbers. And with that burner you be lucky to go vertical at all. 😆
You mention you were using at 637ta which comes from a bind n fly model. Did you need to update the firmware on the receiver or something to be able to use on different model ? I’m a noob to the whole programing spectrum receiver thing
We unlocked the 637TA and then reprogrammed it. Unlocking requires updating the firmware. Search "unlock AR637TA" and you'll see how SpektrumRC explains the process.
For a plane like this they're trying to provide an intro into bigger jets so the stabilator thing is about the price point and complexity. I feel like you're asking for it to be something it's designed not to be. Though maybe there's a technical hurdle they've just cleared considering the F-14 they've got coming out? That still costs a lot more for size and features.
We're not saying it wouldn't add complexity - we're just saying that we prefer scale jets to have scale functionality. For what it is, it's an incredible performing model and we highly recommend it as a beginner's jet.
Just bought my 1st batch (4 - 5300 4S) to try in my F-22 & F-4 8S birds. Can’t wait to see the results. Been hearing great things about these batteries! What’s your opinion? I haven’t had a chance to try them yet. Out of town this weekend. So no flying for me 😢
There's been some in the past, like th-cam.com/video/c4WejPSxhno/w-d-xo.html - we brought the 737 back out to do a drone chase v-log which will be getting published on Monday.
I just bought this plane with everything stock, the only issue I’m having with it(I have not done a maiden yet) is the safe mode does not work, I’ve done all the tests even a full throttle test then trying it and safe still doesn’t work, I’m using all the recommended settings from the book, anyone know what I’m doing wrong
No better review of this model out there!! Great job Jon incorporating line of site, fpv and Tx view!! As you know, I have two now. I’m with you on the need for stabilators. That would be a great upgrade. The 1850 kv motor upgrade felt worth it to me. Along with the 80A esc makes for a nice package. The extra boost comes in handy when doing tail scrapping high alpha. I’ll follow suit on flaperon use to reduce take off roll out. Again, great content!!
Yep...its a fun one Jon! Its really stable in high alpha but I think even more stable in inverted HA like most planes are. Lot of rudder input for me too. Very nice flying buddy! Oh...cut my missiles off too...lol. I added some tail weight and use 3700's to get the balance more rearward...it takes off normal that way, but if its a bit nose heavy it always jumps off the ground at a higher speed. Nice drone footage as well. Great job on the vid buddy!
It might need to balance further back to have the stability I'm looking for with inverted high alpha. It's far more enjoyable upright, quite the opposite from the F-22. Thanks Adam!
Between, you Adam and Brian. I know I’m getting the most in depth knowledge and honest review of these planes. I just subscribed today after watching you for over a year now. Sorry about that, thought I already had. Thanks for you guys commitment to the hobby and pushing the envelope of what these amazing planes are capable of.
Happy to help, and welcome aboard! Hop on Discord and chat sometime: discord.gg/twobrosrc
I’m amazed at how much info is in this vid. I took mine out today for a successful maiden using flaperons for takeoff. Since I swapped receivers most of my safe and as3x gains/angles were off just due to my guesswork. I’ll be updating them tomorrow morning with these settings!
Thanks!
Thank you for the donation, Eric!
Great Job on the Demo Jon !! I retired as an Airline pilot with 38 years of flying with a major airline. Been flying RC planes for 5 years. I have been flying this F16 for 2 years and its a very well designed jet, that's why its very east to fly ! I fly circles around my 2 friends that have a free wing f15 ! Keep up the good work Jon !!!
Absolutely love my 70mm F16. Your info is spot on and very informative! Love the channel. SUBSCRIBED. 🛩️
Welcome aboard!
Wish you would post your COMPLETE set up for spektrum radios on you jets
Complete in what way? This is a pretty basic setup that's mostly covered by the manual. Join us on Discord and we can share the 70mm file for IX and NX radios, though it does take a considerable amount of time to do. If you're willing to hit the Super Thanks button, it certainly makes it easier to do this sort of thing for you!
Nice flight Jon, I flew my FMS F-16 70 today. What a fun Jet to fly. Pulled of a cobra maneuver. Love it 🫡
At 20:06 a great high alpha showing off that afterburner. What a beautiful glow she has even in bright daylight.
Looks good
Excellent video. Will watch/study several times. Thanks for trying to teach an old dog new tricks. 👍🏻
Anytime Randy! Don't be afraid of this model - the stall tests showed that it just floats to the ground like a leaf with full elevator commanded. It's very hard to crash this thing.
It is nice now bud I like that you have gone into depth on setups and flying as I have learned alot. I really do appreciate you, taking the time now since I first messaged you. Since then I have moved up from flying 50mm jets and only 1.5 m high wing planes and up to 1.5m warbirds up into the big 1700mm and 1800mm warbirds and up to the 80mm and 90mm jets. Thank you for all the effort you put in to help people like me it really make a huge difference as in 4 months I moved all the way up
That's so great to hear, Kevin! We wish you the best of luck on your journey and hope you'll grow even more as you continue enjoying this hobby.
Yes! I’m glad to see you fly one of these!
Thanks for all the tips!
Anytime my man, that's why we do what we do.
Awesome flight Jon. This F-16 has been a favorite of ours for years. I currently own three of them. One stock, one upgraded motor and one with all gear and extra weight removed for hand launching and ultimate alpha. Here's one of our custom F-16's and we get as low as you can go in this video.
My 70 mm Freewing F-16 is also very stable in high alpha. I can do extremely slow high alpha with it as I have shown on my channel. I'm running a 4S with a homemade EDF. No gyro, but a gyro would be nice on windy days.
Thanks for setup info
I stopped at not full stabilators... that's what makes the f 16 handle so well. I'll keep looking...
nice video my friend I've had this jet for quite a few years now it was my first jet I've learned to fly..loved it ever since..cant wait to see your setup and mixing video if you make one..I would love to see its mixing capabilities thanks
You must have missed it! The setup is in the back end of the vid.
Freaking love this Tbird. Loved it more when it was $300 when it was first released....lol. She's very light and responsive. Great battery times. And yes...the high alpha is phenomenal. With a nice 6-10knt head wing and it's really fun. Love landing it when it's breezy. Probably have 300+ flights on this one and she's still my fav! Yes, the control surfaces will wear out and the battery latch....sucks! The plastic will break. So, I just modded it and replaced with magnet lock and it works great!
Funny you mention it... I've recommended this one as a first EDF jet. I just emphasize that you gotta get that nose up on landing like the real F16. The come in at sometime like 11.5° AOA on Approach. Met a real F16 pilot when I was flying and he was amazed at how realistic the landings are.
It's definitely a lot of fun - I just would personally love full flying stabilators without having to mod them into the airframe.
@@TwoBrosRC Well, get their newest 80mm F16...lol. full stabs and... very scale gear! I've got that too and it does fly a bit heavier. Good bird... no doubt but the Tbird is just one of those have fun do crazy stuff with. Stays light tol cause ya can't really get anything more than a 4000 in it lol.
Kinda funny thing you can do with the new 80mm F16. Thrust reverse! It has the new spectrum ESC and you can reverse the thrust after landing. It actually works to slow ya down. It isn't as effective as say a jetliner reverse but... it does work. Looks pretty cool too. Kicks up dust off the runway outta the bottom cheater vents...lol.
This is an incredible RC! I was able to pick one up from my uncle who was killed in a workplace accident. He would have wanted me to go high alpha but I'm still struggling with the controls.
We covered how to perform high alpha during the flights - if you're curious about how to do it, watch through and you'll see. It's really not hard at all!
I’ll be adding flaperons to my 70mm f16 next week. The DuPont connector just arrived and reminded me. You snip, and then crimp the three connector pins to the wires, and then crimp the plastic plug? It sounded like you are just throwing the plug on the cut wires and crimping those together. That sounds way easier.
Yep, that's all there is to it. Cut one of the leads going into the plug and strip the wires, then run them into the metal connectors and crimp them on. Slide them into the plug and enjoy!
Ouh Jon, you’re making me spend more money 🙀🙀
Another great video
But it's worth it though! Please consider picking this model up via our vid description links - we work directly with Horizon now and it seriously helps us out at no cost to you. Thanks buddy!
@@TwoBrosRC 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It is a awesome jet to fly
Can someone please explain the flaperon mod? I do not understand how to split the splitter? Thanks
You unhook the Y-cable and plug in each aileron to the ports the receiver calls for. Or if there's no Y-cable, you cut one of the leads and crimp on a new Y-connector. The info should be in the video.
Nice flying, I fly mine without landing gear and handlaunch, we have no hard surface only grass at the club. Handlaunch can not be easier than with this plane, full power, nose 30 degrees up and go.
If you were to fly with gear, we'd recommend using DuBro low-bounce wheels - that should make it possible to at least land with minimal or no damage.
Awesome flying. Be careful nose gear will fail. Fms avanti v3 much stronger. Direct replacement
I don't think it's going to fail on pavement. Grass, maybe, but highly unlikely on pavement.
Believe it or not pavement. It will collapse and grind the nose on the asphalt.
Why did u change the Rx to a ar637t was that to get them custom flap mixes? I wonder if I can get them mixes with stock ar631
No, it was for the second antenna. We prefer having radio link security when flying at an airport. You could program flaperons into the 631 by unlocking it.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks!
Awesome!!! not just Edf but the Pilot that make a big difference. l set reverse thrust on this, but not a good Jet for that. Work much better on 80 mm. 👍
Exactly!
i have same plane and its top speed with the 5280 bluefire afterburner and max speed hit 61mph without the afterburner its 83mph. the diameter of the burner was larger than the motor and obstructed airflow. i put the burner into my 90mm no issues. 5280 didnt mention the massive loss of power including the fact i nearly crashed it on takeoff bc it took about 3x as much distance to lift off and that was not mentioned in the directions or papers from 5280. i find that worrysome bc anyone could use it including a beginner. great video great flight thats the easiest plane to fly and land that i own now. lolol check out some videos i fly thru a hallway with that same edf.
We're not really concerned with speed, but good findings!
@TwoBrosRC im not worried about speed either. Its a lazy flyer and when its unable to do a power loop without diving for run up speed, i start looking at speed and numbers. And with that burner you be lucky to go vertical at all. 😆
You mention you were using at 637ta which comes from a bind n fly model. Did you need to update the firmware on the receiver or something to be able to use on different model ? I’m a noob to the whole programing spectrum receiver thing
We unlocked the 637TA and then reprogrammed it. Unlocking requires updating the firmware. Search "unlock AR637TA" and you'll see how SpektrumRC explains the process.
For a plane like this they're trying to provide an intro into bigger jets so the stabilator thing is about the price point and complexity. I feel like you're asking for it to be something it's designed not to be. Though maybe there's a technical hurdle they've just cleared considering the F-14 they've got coming out? That still costs a lot more for size and features.
We're not saying it wouldn't add complexity - we're just saying that we prefer scale jets to have scale functionality. For what it is, it's an incredible performing model and we highly recommend it as a beginner's jet.
Where is the link to those nylon hinges?
You'll find them here: amzn.to/3wJcTod
how would it do on a grass runway
Just fine so long as the grass is short.
How do you get such large throws?
Unlocked the receiver and used 150% rates.
What’s the difference between this and the FMS one
Receiver, ESC, paint
That’s a little bomb 🤩 cool for a 70mm and what skills…as usual….🤙🏻🥳
We both know you're the better pilot. ;)
@@TwoBrosRC No YOU 😅
Just bought my 1st batch (4 - 5300 4S) to try in my F-22 & F-4 8S birds. Can’t wait to see the results. Been hearing great things about these batteries! What’s your opinion?
I haven’t had a chance to try them yet. Out of town this weekend. So no flying for me 😢
SMC batteries? We love them. Absolutely stellar performance.
Amy videos of that airliner?
There's been some in the past, like th-cam.com/video/c4WejPSxhno/w-d-xo.html - we brought the 737 back out to do a drone chase v-log which will be getting published on Monday.
Yup, now u need the FMS Rafale.
Can’t find the link for the hinges
amzn.to/3JAVEuA
Awsum vid great work on camera your probably hard to film
I just bought this plane with everything stock, the only issue I’m having with it(I have not done a maiden yet) is the safe mode does not work, I’ve done all the tests even a full throttle test then trying it and safe still doesn’t work, I’m using all the recommended settings from the book, anyone know what I’m doing wrong
Someone on Discord might know: discord.gg/twobrosrc - use the new #troubleshooting channel!
random question, I know, but I accidently left the discord server. The invite in the desc is invalid.... could you paste a link?
discord.gg/vcJfqtEVFx
nothing like wanting it to scale version... exactly why i dont buy eflite f16... give me true tailerons with trailing edge flaps.
It wouldn't be much of a trainer jet with full flying stabs though.
Stabilators??? Good grammar
That's what they're called.
Great flying hole crap
Get rid of that rod lol
Not my property.
No better review of this model out there!! Great job Jon incorporating line of site, fpv and Tx view!!
As you know, I have two now. I’m with you on the need for stabilators. That would be a great upgrade. The 1850 kv motor upgrade felt worth it to me. Along with the 80A esc makes for a nice package. The extra boost comes in handy when doing tail scrapping high alpha.
I’ll follow suit on flaperon use to reduce take off roll out.
Again, great content!!
@@johnthomas1348 Glad to help buddy!
say high alpha one more time...
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