The writer of Dune picked out the name 'Härkönen' from a California phonebook because he thought the name sounded harsh and 'Soviet'. Of course he changed it to 'Harkonnen'. I wonder if anyone ever told him Härkönen is a Finnish surname that basically means small bull. Fun fact, right now there are many Finnish women called Tuula Härkönen living in the harsh and snowy country of Finland 😆 Loving your reactions to this amazing show so far. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮 (which was _never_ part of the Soviet Union).
I love that Eric recognized Polly Walker (Portia Featherington) from Bridgerton…I gasped when she showed up! Have they also noticed “Edwina”? and do they know soon to be “Sophie” yet for the Bridgerton fans?😆
32:50 There was a deleted scene in Dune Part 1 where Paul visits one of the Atreides horses on Caladan before they leave for Arrakis. But of course, we don't see the scene, we only have stills to look at to wonder what Denis filmed.
The fact that the sisters have a secret thinking machine is fascinating. It seems to me that Mother Raquela fought the machines but then realized she needed at least one to assist with human evolution? But can't tell anyone in the sisterhood because its forbidden? Which sisters know/knew? And yes I think Lia is the one born twice. She is going to wake up with all the information from Dorothea.
Dorothea saying in the episode "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind" made me feel at that time she thought something was going on behind the scenes but wasn't certain. In the Dune movies, it's briefly touched upon the idea of Abomination with Jessica being pregnant and Lia might be the first Bene Gesserit to experience the Abomination concept. The born twice prophecy might be a red herring for her character. This series is doing a pretty decent job showing how prophecy isn't clear and could easily be interpreted wrong. The one born twice could be Paul Atreides or any number of Dune characters.
Re: animals Dune is set in the real universe. Everyone originates from Earth. There are no alien creatures, except potentially the sandworm, but even that might just be evolution of something from Earth.
And I thought Cersei Lannister was a hateful and venomous woman. Valya may love her sister and her brother, but what she wants and feels she deserves more than anything else, is power, control, and to ALWAYS win.
27:42 I don't believe the Mother Superior told Dorotea but she may have had her suspicion that something was going on behind the scenes with banned technology. At one point in the episode Dorotea reads out loud, as to make a point, "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." which is one of the commandments written in their Orange Catholic Bible
The Bene Gesserit (at least in the 6 Dune books) are pretty much the human embodiment of 'Thinking Machines' so them having a fancy shmancy tech cave seems entirely on brand.
For sure other Atreides clan members survived. After all there didn't seem to be really young or really old people, nor many (or any?) women in the hunting camp...
I'm pretty sure the genetic archive is maintained by the thinking machine and that's what Dorothea was going to destroy. Also, it looks like Lila is about to be born again thanks to the spice, so Desmond may be a red herring.
Desmond seems like a massive red herring. Spice/Shai Halud dont just give people psychic microwave powers. So unless these writers are just making up a bunch of extra nonsense about how spice works, Desmond is probably the work of some other faction (remnant AI probably)
My theory: Desmond is an android .. let over from the war who has been repurposed to serve someone trying to gain control over the Imperium. That;s how he can resist the voice and do what he did to the Boy and Kasha. The story he provided of being eaten by the worm is just a smoke screen.
About Desmond I believe his ability is nerve related technology, something akin to the box of pain shown in the movies. If you see the burning scene from this point of view, you can see how the artists used it as a point of start for the animation. Overstimulated nerves burning people from the inside. Therefore, he could control his own nerves, he countered the voice by paralising his nerves.
Also, once again, if The Voice was portrayed more accurately, I feel like all of these scenes would be so much more powerful. The scene with Valya and her family was a perfect opportunity. Imagine if Valya had said exactly all the things that would drive her mother to almost use the knife, just by using family baggage and emotional manipulation. Instead we have her doing demonic screeching as everyone else in the room is freaking out....
Feel like this episode would have served so much better as one of the first 2. Setting up the rivalry of the reverend mother's like this would have made the murder shown at the beginning of episode 1 hit home so much more. I get they're trying to go with some reveal type thing with this but not sure it'll pay off like it could have.
Why do the Harkonnens look like a mixture of House Stark and the Freefolk a.k.a. Wildlings? Having Robert Baratheon and Atia of the Julii in the scene isn't helping.
Is that Artredies kid that survived the sword master we see in present day.. the brother was sent to find Vorian and got murked real quick they just skipped past all that to the resolution lol.
Oh, we will definitely see Vorian during the next few episodes... you can't just name drop him for two episodes in a row and not have everyone's favourite war criminal show up
Really enjoying the show (and reactions) but i do wish there was a little more going on, for a 6 episode season i feel there are still too many bits that feel too slow or dull here and there. Excited to see where it goes still
The point you bring up is why many science fiction series struggle out of the gates. There's just so much stuff to set up so the viewer understands the universe. Many Star Trek series, for example, struggle with this problem.
it's pretty wild to me that we're halfway through the season and only just now filling in backstory about the main characters, when it's already been setting up a dozen plots that it doesn't get into yet.. There's no way this season ends with any kind of satisfying progression of an arc.. I just expect them to deal with Desmond and then have Valya turn to the audience and go "we need to breed our own guy, but one we can control...idk, some kind of... Kwisatz Haderach"
There's still a lot of things in the Dune universe like religion and languages that have deep connection with Earth; the basis of the Orange Catholic Bible being one of them. In that text there seems to be a mixture of some of the old Earth religions but not a lot is explored on it within the Dune books.
So we taking the Abomination route ? Born in blood and spice. Lila not being able to countain her ancestors wills will end being possessed by a malicious one. Dorotea's "resurrection" probably.
This whole series just reinforces my belief that royal and noble families should never be put in power. All they care about are getting their families on top and dominating or destroying their rivals. And in the end, it’s us, those with not a drop of “royalty” in our blood or our names, who end up getting crushed under that ever spinning wheel of rising and falling noble families.
"Because I'm not familiar with Dune stuff" - don't worry, Dune fans have no idea what this show is doing either 🤣 At this point it's pretty clear that this show is more interested in the prequel novels written by the original author's son, because this episode was pretty much adapting the backstory of characters from his Schools trilogy, while namedropping "Vorian Atreides" like some major character. None of any of this is in any of the 6 Dune novels.
Is it just me or has their editing been very different at least the last few months? Large sections of stories are missing and the flow doesn't seem to be there. I still enjoy their reactions but it's just been throwing me off for a while. I can't watch a reaction and still get a sense of the show.
Enjoying the look of the show, but nothing is really going on, especially being only 6 episodes, am not sure the end game. No spoilers but I have not heard good things from others who have seen the first 4 episodes early and I fear they may be right, but we'll see, that last or last 2 episode might be really good.
Feels eerily similar to HOTD S2, tons of build up and story development, but really starting to worry if anything substantial is going to happen here soon. Trying my best to stick with it but 3 episodes of just a lot of talking starts to lose some steam heading into episode 4. Also feels like they have a contractual obligation to include a sex scene every episode. Feels so out of place for me.
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The writer of Dune picked out the name 'Härkönen' from a California phonebook because he thought the name sounded harsh and 'Soviet'. Of course he changed it to 'Harkonnen'. I wonder if anyone ever told him Härkönen is a Finnish surname that basically means small bull. Fun fact, right now there are many Finnish women called Tuula Härkönen living in the harsh and snowy country of Finland 😆
Loving your reactions to this amazing show so far. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮 (which was _never_ part of the Soviet Union).
For a man of letters, he had a terrible sense of what sounds soviet 😂
Considering the Atreides prize their 'bull fighting', I would say it was completely intentional
Vorien Atreides was Kieren's (Swordmaster) grandfather. The young Atreides boy played Oscar Tully in HotD Sesson 2.😊
The lore and the style is soo gripping !!! Top notch TV!!
As soon as they mentioned the bull, I realized what Orry’s last name would be.
Full Length is running a bit behind on this episode so thanks for your patience!
No worries!
We got Atia from Rome, Oscar Tully from HOTD, and Rob Baratheon from GOT.
Great world building in episode three. Can’t wait for more !!!
BOBBY B!!! BOW YA SHITS! BOW BEFORE YA BARON!!!!
I love that Eric recognized Polly Walker (Portia Featherington) from Bridgerton…I gasped when she showed up! Have they also noticed “Edwina”? and do they know soon to be “Sophie” yet for the Bridgerton fans?😆
Polly Walker is also Atia from Rome.
@@lashebawinston4906 This!
@@lashebawinston4906 She was also on the Battlestar Galactica prequel show "Caprica".
Fun fact Golda Rosheuvel was in first Dune movie as Shadout Mapes
@ Yes, I do remember her in Dune part 1. I love the crossovers😊
The boy´s name I believe is Lord Oscar Tully from the House of Tully.
It’s the emperors dad I would think
32:50 There was a deleted scene in Dune Part 1 where Paul visits one of the Atreides horses on Caladan before they leave for Arrakis. But of course, we don't see the scene, we only have stills to look at to wonder what Denis filmed.
The fact that the sisters have a secret thinking machine is fascinating. It seems to me that Mother Raquela fought the machines but then realized she needed at least one to assist with human evolution? But can't tell anyone in the sisterhood because its forbidden? Which sisters know/knew? And yes I think Lia is the one born twice. She is going to wake up with all the information from Dorothea.
Or the thinking machine was required to win the war
Dorothea saying in the episode "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind" made me feel at that time she thought something was going on behind the scenes but wasn't certain.
In the Dune movies, it's briefly touched upon the idea of Abomination with Jessica being pregnant and Lia might be the first Bene Gesserit to experience the Abomination concept. The born twice prophecy might be a red herring for her character. This series is doing a pretty decent job showing how prophecy isn't clear and could easily be interpreted wrong. The one born twice could be Paul Atreides or any number of Dune characters.
Re: animals
Dune is set in the real universe. Everyone originates from Earth. There are no alien creatures, except potentially the sandworm, but even that might just be evolution of something from Earth.
Loved this episode a lot
Dune turning GoT in an instant. Love it.
And I thought Cersei Lannister was a hateful and venomous woman. Valya may love her sister and her brother, but what she wants and feels she deserves more than anything else, is power, control, and to ALWAYS win.
good for her
@ yes. Good for the sociopath
27:42 I don't believe the Mother Superior told Dorotea but she may have had her suspicion that something was going on behind the scenes with banned technology. At one point in the episode Dorotea reads out loud, as to make a point, "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." which is one of the commandments written in their Orange Catholic Bible
The Bene Gesserit (at least in the 6 Dune books) are pretty much the human embodiment of 'Thinking Machines' so them having a fancy shmancy tech cave seems entirely on brand.
In the books, some of the sisters carried the entire archive in other memory it was a huge plot point. I dont remember a computer involved.
@ericmatteson8888 "I don't remember a....."
As if they would tell you all their secrets. 😏
For sure other Atreides clan members survived. After all there didn't seem to be really young or really old people, nor many (or any?) women in the hunting camp...
The planet that they were on during Tula's massacre is Caladan, the same planet that is the home planet of the Atreides, before the go to Arrakis.
I'm pretty sure the genetic archive is maintained by the thinking machine and that's what Dorothea was going to destroy.
Also, it looks like Lila is about to be born again thanks to the spice, so Desmond may be a red herring.
Desmond seems like a massive red herring. Spice/Shai Halud dont just give people psychic microwave powers. So unless these writers are just making up a bunch of extra nonsense about how spice works, Desmond is probably the work of some other faction (remnant AI probably)
Dortea is about to be born as Abomination in Lilas body
Both could be red herrings.
My theory: Desmond is an android .. let over from the war who has been repurposed to serve someone trying to gain control over the Imperium. That;s how he can resist the voice and do what he did to the Boy and Kasha. The story he provided of being eaten by the worm is just a smoke screen.
Like Erasmus?
Good to see little Rickon still prouncin about
Fun fact: The name Harkonnen from Finnish Härkönen means Ox/bull (Härka)
About Desmond
I believe his ability is nerve related technology, something akin to the box of pain shown in the movies.
If you see the burning scene from this point of view, you can see how the artists used it as a point of start for the animation. Overstimulated nerves burning people from the inside.
Therefore, he could control his own nerves, he countered the voice by paralising his nerves.
...but the whole point of the box was to make the subject feel pain without hurting them lol
Whales are mammals.....
Those whales just adapted to the cold world by getting furrier.
I'm not sure if they recognized Oscar Tully
I first thought it was Olly.
He was also on The Batman(2022) as the corrupt mayor's son.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Oh wow, I never noticed that
Ramalla has a thinking machine!!!!!
Also, once again, if The Voice was portrayed more accurately, I feel like all of these scenes would be so much more powerful.
The scene with Valya and her family was a perfect opportunity.
Imagine if Valya had said exactly all the things that would drive her mother to almost use the knife, just by using family baggage and emotional manipulation.
Instead we have her doing demonic screeching as everyone else in the room is freaking out....
Feel like this episode would have served so much better as one of the first 2. Setting up the rivalry of the reverend mother's like this would have made the murder shown at the beginning of episode 1 hit home so much more. I get they're trying to go with some reveal type thing with this but not sure it'll pay off like it could have.
Good job Calvin. It is Caladan.
Orry is a naive little bebe, Vorian has been alive at least 100+ years at this point with no signs of slowing down
Why do the Harkonnens look like a mixture of House Stark and the Freefolk a.k.a. Wildlings? Having Robert Baratheon and Atia of the Julii in the scene isn't helping.
Gonna be interesting next 3 episodes we shall see what’s up gonna be good 👍
Is that Artredies kid that survived the sword master we see in present day.. the brother was sent to find Vorian and got murked real quick they just skipped past all that to the resolution lol.
Oh, we will definitely see Vorian during the next few episodes... you can't just name drop him for two episodes in a row and not have everyone's favourite war criminal show up
Really enjoying the show (and reactions) but i do wish there was a little more going on, for a 6 episode season i feel there are still too many bits that feel too slow or dull here and there. Excited to see where it goes still
Not slower than the first half of Dune 1 tho 😂
The point you bring up is why many science fiction series struggle out of the gates. There's just so much stuff to set up so the viewer understands the universe. Many Star Trek series, for example, struggle with this problem.
@chaost4544 shouldve given us 8 episodes then i wouldnt care as much honestly
@@angelsideuk6197 Will they make a season 2?
it's pretty wild to me that we're halfway through the season and only just now filling in backstory about the main characters, when it's already been setting up a dozen plots that it doesn't get into yet..
There's no way this season ends with any kind of satisfying progression of an arc.. I just expect them to deal with Desmond and then have Valya turn to the audience and go "we need to breed our own guy, but one we can control...idk, some kind of... Kwisatz Haderach"
It took the sisters a while (20,000 years) before they learned not to mess around with prophecy. . .some ladies just wont be told!
Yes earth was a place in the Dune universe in the far past. The Sisters remember what happened to it directly through other memory.
There's still a lot of things in the Dune universe like religion and languages that have deep connection with Earth; the basis of the Orange Catholic Bible being one of them. In that text there seems to be a mixture of some of the old Earth religions but not a lot is explored on it within the Dune books.
So we taking the Abomination route ? Born in blood and spice. Lila not being able to countain her ancestors wills will end being possessed by a malicious one. Dorotea's "resurrection" probably.
This whole series just reinforces my belief that royal and noble families should never be put in power. All they care about are getting their families on top and dominating or destroying their rivals.
And in the end, it’s us, those with not a drop of “royalty” in our blood or our names, who end up getting crushed under that ever spinning wheel of rising and falling noble families.
Stop spamming this comment in every reaction lmao.
@ I will when people stop copying and pasting my comments on other videos.
'Are they going to eat him?'
....No.
during the winter, eating the whale fat would be very beneficial for them.
The bull was a carnivorous one, so it isn´t a regular bull Eric
"Because I'm not familiar with Dune stuff" - don't worry, Dune fans have no idea what this show is doing either 🤣
At this point it's pretty clear that this show is more interested in the prequel novels written by the original author's son, because this episode was pretty much adapting the backstory of characters from his Schools trilogy, while namedropping "Vorian Atreides" like some major character.
None of any of this is in any of the 6 Dune novels.
It seems like doing a good job at it.
Is it just me or has their editing been very different at least the last few months? Large sections of stories are missing and the flow doesn't seem to be there. I still enjoy their reactions but it's just been throwing me off for a while. I can't watch a reaction and still get a sense of the show.
Tula just invent the Gom Jabbar to euthanize that horse?!?!?
Enjoying the look of the show, but nothing is really going on, especially being only 6 episodes, am not sure the end game. No spoilers but I have not heard good things from others who have seen the first 4 episodes early and I fear they may be right, but we'll see, that last or last 2 episode might be really good.
Feels eerily similar to HOTD S2, tons of build up and story development, but really starting to worry if anything substantial is going to happen here soon. Trying my best to stick with it but 3 episodes of just a lot of talking starts to lose some steam heading into episode 4. Also feels like they have a contractual obligation to include a sex scene every episode. Feels so out of place for me.
Speaking of the woolly Wales, I was disappointed in the bull in the books it’s supposed to have multiple heads and be more alien
Not it doesnt have multiple heads in the books..
How could she possibly not think of the prophecy when doing that? That's bullshit.
First
Speaking of the woolly Wales, I was disappointed in the bull in the books it’s supposed to have multiple heads and be more alien
They have two brains. Not two heads.
You wrote this 2 times.