@@historyhunter5215 A compliment to Hi Point. I have the 995TS carbine, but those pistols are just too dang ugly even though owners swear they are great guns.
Hey Hickok, a good solution to the dry fire problem is to use a snap cap in the cylinder you put the hammer down on. This way it doesn't matter if you dry fire to make sure the gun is empty. By the way, there is no problem with dropping the hammer on already fired cartridges, since the spent primer takes the impact.
I came down to say the same. On a side note, if you fire with one of them in the last chamber, the blast from the other rounds firing will burn off the coating on the snap cap in just a couple hundred rounds. It's kind of neat actually haha
Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider used the Remington and carried spare cylinders on his belt much like we do with speed loaders today. They show him reloading just before the final shoot out. I always thought that was a cool effect.Gabby
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher have you watched the movie? 1. he is carrying multiple cylinders 2. he is also carrying multiple guns.. what you understand is nothing
I cannot stress enough that cap and ball revolvers are not toys. They were used with deadly effect for about 45 years (1836 to the early 1880s) and are still deadly. The late gun writer Elmer Keith, who was taught how to use cap and ball sixguns by Civil War veterans, wrote, "For its size and weight, nothing is so deadly as a pure lead ball driven at 1,000 feet per second." The ghosts of millions would sigh and agree. Give a cap and ball sixgun the same respect you would any modern firearm.
Actually, probably MORE respect. They are just finicky and tricky enough to use that an accident is probably even MORE likely to happen. Lots of different things to do correctly in getting them loaded and primed.
Its all in the tools you have and the amount of time you spend shooting them, I shoot them weekly and have no issue running 50 rounds or more in my revolvers per trip. Speed loaders, after market cones and what not help big time!
+Gunsforfreedom Honestly, in a Life or Death situation, I would still rely on a C&B, if no other firearm was available. At close range, even a non-vital target would still suffer a fair bit of damage.
+Gunsforfreedom The Civil War taught us that and the death toll. Like Hickok45 said BP revolvers are finicky, tricky and you have to be on your toes ready for the unexpected to happen even when you do get them loaded correctly.
Hari Rajeev nope there definitely isn't a semi automatic version of this revolver. The first commercial semi automatic revolver wouldn't be available until the early 1900s.
I am a huge fan of the Remington revolvers. I own a 1858 and a 1875 both made by Uberti of Italy. When he speaks of caliber, he is spot on. The black powder round balls from Hornady that work well with the '58 are .451" or a .45 caliber. This is why the .45 Colt cartridge is the choice for conversions.
I prefer the .454 ball allows more surface for the rifling to have an effect. That was the thought pattern anyway. That neat little ring you get pressing the shot into the cylinder the thicker the better.
I have one of these and I love it. Takes forever to load but shoots pretty straight and surprises people at the range. I got one of the conversation cylinders and it cost more then I paid for the gun. Mine has Pieta/Uberti stamped on the barrel.
Clint Eastwood be damned, the soldiers who had a six shot revolver would have a pre-loaded cylinder ready in a leather pouch at their belt and could mean the difference between life or death. (swapping out cylinders.)
I shoot an Italian 1860 Colt Army, cap&ball. Those old timers kept that center pin loose and soldiers and any sensible gunfighter tended to strip out some perfectly good guns to keep the cylinder to save weight. A cylinder swap is a lot quicker than the single cartridge reload when the gun is nice and loose. Only the Schofield type could come close. But, when the cylinders were spent, grab that 44.40 Winchester or keep a reloader. But yoo may have to feed them. Proof that women were just as mechanicial minded as men, even then!🤐💨
I have the 38sp conversion and it is my second favorite pistol for Cowboy Action Shooting. Very smooth and reliable. The weight absorbs all the recoil so I can stay on target.
Hickock you totally read my mind! i just received my 1858 in 44 , with the 45 conversion cylinder on its way and this whole video i was waiting to hear you call out the calibers. You had me nervous for a second lmao. Thanks again for another awesome video!
Getting the cylinder in and out of the frame is easier if you remember that it comes out the right-hand side, but goes in on the left-hand side. It has to do with catching and the lifter that rotates the cylinder around. I also found it helps to rotate the cylinder a bit as I put it in.
Basically the same rig as the one Clint Eastwood carried in "Pale Rider." Loved the history lesson, HK45. Hope you're enjoying your retirement even more than we're enjoying your consistently excellent vids.
I use the 1858 Pietta .45 LC 5 shot cylinder by HOWELL Old West Conversions. The cylinder has a notch between the chambers, on which you can rest the hammer. Since it's a 5 shot, it has 5 chambers with much thicker walls which makes it a lot stronger. It fits perfectly out of the box and cheaper than the other brands.
I've been shooting these conversions for years, had no problems. The loading lever works better for me than a stick for stubborn cases, though - and is always at hand.. I would suggest using a buffer and rouge in a dremel to polish the cylinder every three or four cleanings, it helps. Several years ago "Guns of the Old W est" magazine ran a test of these Remington Conversions, 30 or so shooters, ranging from novice through experienced, and to their surprise found that consistently it was faster to drop out one of these cylinders, dump cases, reload and reinsert; than it was to load a Peacemaker through a gate! I know I sold a repro Remington 1875 "gate-loader" because I could load these faster. Go figure.
Interesting. I guess dry powder was more certain. No caps to fall off or jam, when they did reload, easier & wind & rain wasn't an issue. No chain firing which in battle could well happen as no extra precautions would be used. Also less kit to carry, just brass loaded ammo. I think if I had been in the army, & had the choice, I would have had the conversation. That said, here in N. Ireland, this Saturday, I don't expect to be under the same pressure so I will stay cap & ball. Thanks for sharing as an owner of this gun & brand I found it very interesting.
Unless im highly mistaken these conversions were not available during the civil war. It wouldve been preloaded black powder cylinders similar to the way eastwood did it in his movies.
About your discussion on the whole "why is it a .44 barrel and shoots a .45 cartridge?" thing here is some info for ya: the .44 caliber ball rounds (those for blackpowder) can range anywhere in measurements from .433 to .454 thousands of an inch and the .45 caliber bullet (those designed for use in cartridges) usually measures anywhere from .452 to .451. So that being said, a .44 caliber ball is the same as a .45 caliber bullet. Though you were close you were also pretty far away with the whole "it's the rifling diameter" thing. I am glad you said "I think" instead of "I know".
+aliesmale I meant: "anywhere from .452 to .454" not: "anywhere from .452 to .451" sorry I was thinking of something else while I was typing and I typed out what I was thinking about. It's like typing: "I had a Glock 27 or Glock 17 time today"
Cartridge gun are measured from diameter of the brass, not the bullet because the first rim fires the bullet was the same as the brass (look at a 22). .38 has .38 brass and 357 bullet.
With C&B you have to use an over size ball to Seal each chamber to prevent chain fire. I load a .458 ball. Fired balls I've recovered measure about .442 on the Land and .448 - .45 on the groove. So it is the difference in modern bore measure. I also use a conical Johnston & Dow bullet which is .462 diameter, again to Seal the chamber. The chambers themselves are about .451
I got a .44 Sile New model Army that was made in Italy in 1953. It was my grandfathers and I just shot it for the first time yesterday and loved it. I have and shot AR's, Bolt guns, lever action, Regular semiauto handguns and today's revolvers but this was my first time shooting a black powder and I fell in love 😍 Why haven't I done this years ago is beyond me. Thanks for the very good information
You kidding? He missed every shot at the start of the video. His shooting has really gone downhill. Why, the second he was finished attempting his sixth shot I just paused the video disliked it and unsubscribed. SMH.
@@kgpspyguy Actually, he didn’t miss the first 6 shots. He was firing percussion caps on unloaded chambers. It requires a sense of humor to appreciate.
Good video, Hickok45. It is an excellent history lesson about conversions for a percussion cylinder to a cartridge cylinder in old revolvers. And, it's also a quick explanation about why those old guns are actually .45 caliber revolvers. Plus, Hickok45 must be the toughest kid in the neighborhood; he leaves the loop on the back of his shirt, because no one would dare lock a padlock onto that loop.
I really enjoyed this video! Clint Eastwood used a Remington Revolver in Pale Rider. I would have definitely felt well armed carry a brace of Remington's back in the late 1860's-early 1870's....
If one can afford to get a few cylinders you can speed load these Guns pretty fast once you practice a few times at the range of course they're great for home defense and the Sheriffs Model fits nicely in a Night Stand . Thank You for the video and God Bless You And Family.
I love the Remington, the firing cap would hangout up on my colts. But never in the Remington. Also it was easier to change the cylinders out to reload.
I keep one of these loaded in my nightstand as a house gun. Sealed the caps with clear nail polish. Dowel seated them. 200 grain Lee conical sized to fit tightly. 30 grains of Triple Seven sitting on top of five grains of Swiss null B. Don't take my advice on that one, but it has proven to be safe in my stainless Uberti. ABSOLUTELY reliable, and at least as powerful as basic .45ACP ball. Here I sit sipping oak aged rum smoking a Lucky Strike watching Hickok45 shoot the guns of yesteryear. Life is good.
Thanks for another one Greg. I just found one for sale and couldn't get to the seller fast enough. I do have a SAA but alone here as I might be, gotta say that I find the 1858 Remington way nicer looking than the Colt SAA. OK, so if everyone is finished throwing rocks in my direction, I haven't stated the Colt 1873 is ugly, just that the Remington is prettier, way prettier. What's not to like? More moving parts so that has to be a plus and not only that but packing the chambers gives one time to contemplate what everyone is up to, right? Hmmm .... new cap ball assault weapon. It may not be fast but it is slow.
I recently ordered me and received an Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army .44 caliber revolver from Dixie gun works online and a fluted 6 shot Howell .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder for it from midway USA. I ordered them with overnight shipping this past weekend and got them both on Tuesday and made an unboxing video and posted it on my channel. I live in MA. and even in MA. I could get both shipped to my MA. address. Ammo is a different story. Yesterday I drove 275 miles on an ammo run to the cabelas in Hamburg PA. to score me some HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy load cartridges and I was successful! I got the last 2 boxes they had in stock! I then had a successful ammo run celebration meal at the Cracker Barrel near there and drove 275 miles back to where I live in Springfield MA. It is a very tight fit getting it in my piece but I checked the alignment by inserting a cleaning rod and a .40 caliber drum jag with a dry patch on it down the barrel into the chamber and it aligns fine. The cocking action with it is ok although it could be a might smoother. Over time with use it will probably go in smoother and cock smoother
You don't want to make your own 45 colt ammo? Check out Lees classic 45 colt loader, it's a simple 30$ tool. That way you gonna save tons on ammo. 45 colt is caliber worth making, you can even cast lead tips yourself!
On my colt and ubertis - So i don't dry fire on an empty cylinder i safely load the sixth cylinder that is normally empty with a snap cap. Works every time, and saves the pin from being damaged.
So if your cylinder only had 2 chambers load one .life is risky.i would think back in the day six would be loaded.if you're. That clumsy go get a water gun.
Just bought the Pietta Remington 44cal Black Powder Revolver And it's such a beautiful work of Art 🎨 I don't even want to handle it to much let alone shoot it 😂. So I may just hang it on the wall as a talking piece. These Black Powder Revolvers made in Italy 🇮🇹 are a work of Art !!!!!!! Thanks for the video and God Bless You And Family. Amen
Ive always been a remington fan, I love my 870 express magnum and my SR45. I've always wanted these cause when I was younger I'd seen this gun in video games known as a new model army. That and some movies and just the overall look and design has made me want to own one of these guns
I cast a .445 ball that works in Remington .44 and also in a .45 Kentucky rifle but patched. So in my experience a .445 can be either depending on the lands and grooves Remington had a stronger design than Colt Great video
I have one made by pietta in Stainless steel with the conversion cylinder. One of my most accurate handguns. Fun to shoot. I take this one with me when I go out on a hunt. It’s just a fun sidearm to have.
Old habits DIE HARD. I laughed out loud when he couldn't help but give it one last click. Decades of safety conditioning means it just does not feel good to miss a step that you're used to taking. Loved that.
Instead of counting rounds, you can stick a snap cap in the empty space in the cylinder. You can also stick in a spent casing, but I think the snap cap works better.
I’ve had 1851 Navy colts since 1989. First pistol “other than air guns” I had ever fired. Colts or colt clone navies are my favorite to this day. My experience with Remington New Army guns is they get fouled up very easily compared to the colts. Unless you already have a Remington New Army don’t waste time buying a conversion cylinder. Buy a factory built conversion you’ll have the same money in it and it’ll shoot regular factory loads. I have recently bought an Uberti “Richards Mason” based off of the 1851 navy in .38 special. It’s great! I hear the Uberti New army in .45 is great as well.
Hickok45 I love you to piece, but you got your facts flipped. The Colt model 1860 was being sold to the Union forces for more than double the cost of the 1858 new model Remington revolvers from the start. it was Samuel Colt who was taken to task by Congress for price gouging and was forced to lower the price to Remington's cost when they discovered the large price difference.
Bought one of these from uberti and the conversion cylinder recently, tons of fun! and the ammo lasts a while I've been tempted to load up all 6 chambers from time to time but I'll be honest, it's not the easiest to re-seat the cylinder and I am understanding why they don't want you to do that now, it's a real struggle to get the dang thing in there safely sometimes
I bought a Pietta reproduction of the 1858 N.A.M. Remington 18 years ago. It's a percussion one. I love it, and buy... How accurate it is at long range ! I haven't shot it in a while, but I have always said I'd try it with Minie bullets.
Also about 100 bucks more than the Taylor's conversion. And it holds one less round than the Taylor's. And you gotta spend another 100 bucks to get the ejector rod assembly. I think I'll stick with the Taylor's, looks cleaner
I love a nice, heavy pistol. Its great knowing that you can probably keep fighting by bludgeoning your enemy once you run out of ammunition. Not the Desert Eagle though... That was a bit too chunky for me.
This gun actually has a notch between 2 bores in the cylinder that you rest the hammer on when it is holstered so it's safe to carry fully loaded with 6
The correct ball size for .44 cal capnballs is around .450-.455. The ball is slightly larger than the cylinder and barrel bores. This is to achieve as good of a seal as possible. The little lead rings you get are the extra .01 in the caliber. Conversion cylinders are bored out slightly more to accept the brass cartridge, and what happens here is more like a modern gun. The lead bullet hits the barrel cone and either gets shaved or smashed into the rifling, achieving an even better seal. Its not recommended using copper jacket bullets because of this. The barrels are designed for soft lead that the barrel can easily mold into shape
Don’t have this type of conversion, but I do have two 1858 conversions (factory conversions) by Uberti, one in 44-40 & one in 45 colt. Got them to along with my 1875’s (favorite six shooters). 👍🏼🤠
i love remington guns but im in the uk so we have strict gun laws and cant use these guns for many legal reasons and restrictions. i would love to be able to have and shoot them as you do here.
You are allowed to have black powder pistols in the UK. The ban on pistols was for center-fire and rim-fire cartridge pistols. If you join a shooting club you can purchase a black powder cap and ball revolver. They are in the category of antique and primitive weapons and are legal in the UK. You should do some research and see if there is a shooting club for them in your area. You have to be a member to provide a reason for your firearm purchase. I hope this helps you in getting yourself a legally owned UK pistol.😊
It is true they are not rim-fire or center-fire and are allowed under the classification of "black powder or muzzle loader." I've talked with many people in Europe and the UK that are in shooting clubs and are using replicas. UK laws regarding black powder are as such..... To legally possess a muzzle loading firearm which is to be actually used, rather than kept solely as an ornament or curio, a Firearm Certificate is necessary irrespective of the age of the firearm. All the same restrictions apply as they do to a modern breech-loading firearm. This was coppied directly from UK firearms regulations.
Replica cap and ball can be owned and used in the UK provided a valid FAC is held. Usually membership of a shooting club or re-enactment society is required by the local Police authority but otherwise there is rarely a problem if you qualify to have an FAC-1.
(Originals can be held as antiques but you are not allowed to shoot them except for rare instances when checking they are still working. The view on how often has been pretty much defined as less than once a year. More than that would requires a FAC)
Load with 5 grains Titegroup for about 700 FPS, 250LRNFP, a very low pressure load so that the cases should drop right out. Advantages are: Caps do not fall off on recoil. Ammo can be stored in gun much longer, will not be affected by moisture like Black Power. You can practice at an indoor range. Clean up is 10 times easier. Failure to clean up the gun promptly will not cause it to "instantly" rust. Mine is a mid 70's Euroarms Brescia. MIDWAY USA has these items. Lyman wrote the book on BP loads. As you can make your own BP, and cast your projectiles, this may be the ultimate survival firearm.
I recently read somewhere that the reason these guns "and the Single Action Army" shot high, was because the U.S.Army required the pistol to be sighted at 50 yards. I just recently was given a Colt gen 2 SAA in .45 Colt and I am now off on a new adventure in my shooting career, leaning the history of these great American Inventions. I really enjoyed this video.
Yea, I had also read that it was 75 yards. But either way the two I have, one with 5.5 inch barrel the other 8 inch. both shoot about 5-8 inches high at 10 yards. But at 25-50 yards pretty dead on. If you want to shoot close file down the front post sight or just aim for the belly button.
I am getting one of these pietta 1858 guns for Christmas, so I had to find a u tube video for it. I'm glad I found your channel! The gun had been sitting in the small gun shop for almost three years for $300. Since it has been sitting so long, I'm sure there is nothing special about it, just an interesting/fun gun. I got the gun for $250. Now to find all the other stuff, eventually I will get the conversion. I have a few videos to catch up on!!
One of the Conversion nipples is silver, that is the one you leave empty. I have 3 Pietta and 1 Uberti Remingtons. I love them. I bought 2 Pietta conversion cylinders and can shoot .45 LC. I used them for NCOWS/SASS. I can change a cylinder as fast as someone reloading a swing out cylinder. I didn't have to do any grinding to get mine to fit. They dropped right in.. I have 13 spare C&B cylinders for the Piettas. I wish I could get conversions for .44-40. My 1860 Henry shoots .44-40 and I need two revolvers in that caliber. To eject the empties use the ram rod end. It will pop it right out without looking for something on the ground to do it.
I know you posted this video years ago. But it's still very informative. I got my mitts on a revolver carbine at the Wanenmacher's show. It has a conversion cylinder in it. I'm looking forward to putting some lead down range with it soon.
Hickok45 Have you seen Hell on Wheels, first season the main character uses a Confederate knock off of the Colt and then the Remington but whats surprising about the show is that it actually shows him reloading by changing the cylinders.
Great video, glad it's still available after all these years! I've also got the full-sized 1858 Remington with conversion cylinder, glad I do because there's nowhere close by for shooting black powder loads. Fun fact: the gun itself, without the conversion cylinder, _isn't_ considered a firearm, it's an "antique firearm" by Federal law, so the rules are different. Depending on the state you're in, even otherwise "disqualified" people can own & shoot black powder weapons; that's why in most states people can buy black powder revolvers online and have them shipped directly to their home. Note: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, so do your own research to find out what's legal wherever you live.
When you have a bias you are going to find a lot of things wrong such as the "feel" or the "balance" but at the end of the day, Remington was the superior gun.
I got a Kirst Konverter 45 Colt cylinder in my Pietta 1858 New Army and it works well. The cylinder I have has a loading gate so I dremeled out a channel on the frame of the revolver so I could use an ejection rod and not have to take out the cylinder to unload. The ejection rod was a seperate purchase but fits the New Army like a glove. A fun gun to shoot.
The .44 barrels back then measured from the barrel rifling top land to top land, then later they measured from bottom groove to bottom groove. The .44 cap and ball uses a .451 to .452 diameter ball, the .45 Colt cartridge uses either a .452 or .454 diameter bullet, the .003 difference isn't noticed in the gun except for some lead shaving at the cylinder gap.
@@watzup62 some do, on the Taylors website you can see them in the pictures. They have close-ups of the plate that has firing pins and you can see them
@@jaysonsetzer2287 Those would be the ones to get then. I never liked the idea of loading five rounds in a gun that holds six. I have a Pietta 1858 new army and I like the idea of having more options for it. I will definitely check out Taylor's site.
I find it amazing that patent rights could prevent either side acquiring the most advanced weapons in war time. The Colt grip filled the hand better than the Remington, strange why there are no aftermarket fuller grips.
Nice to see someone promoting old time revolvers. Try putting a dummy 45 Colt round in the empty chamber next time, identifiable as such by the color, to avoid damaging to the firing pin. Otherwise just an empty cartridge case would be better than nothing. I carry a wooden dowel (a former kitchen accessory) to bump out stuck empties. I used to believe Uberti's were closer to original specs, but Mark Hubbs did some comparisons (on youtube) and found the Piettas to be closer in most respects. BTW they are usually true 44s, the barrel being .449'" even though the cartridge chambers are around .452" (some lack of uniformity in replica production of cap and ball cylinder chambers has confused the issue). That's why the cartridges should sport pure lead bullets... a harder metal is in danger of damaging the forcing cone, getting stuck in the barrel, or worse... another interesting video, man, keep rolling 'em out. ...
You'll NEVER See ME worrying with putting a snap cap or empty case in the 6th chamber. WAY too much hassle to keep up with every time your loading and unloading. Even though the Colt SAA is about my favorite handgun, I'd throw them all in the trash before I'd do that. They've all done just fine the decades I've owned and fired them, and they all seem to have done just fine for the many decades other people shot some of them before I took possession. :-)
@@hickok45 Whoa, steady on, feller, no need to get uptight. It was just a suggestion from someone who likes to shoot those things. FYI you'll also never see me putting a snap cap or empty in one of my replica Colt SAAs either, but then those conversion cylinders are not Colt SAAs. You wanna ignore the manufacturer's instructions on how to treat those conversion cylinders, that's your business ... but nobody's perfect, so relax, and I, like a helluva lotta people, do largely enjoy your videos, and learn a lot from 'em too, and hope you continue producing 'em... So chill out you grumpy old so and so, and get back to making more videos ;-)
They , back in those days measured the lands . After the conversions started and the peacemaker , they switched to the groove measurement . 🤠 You have the best and most entertaining videos . They also have the ejecters and gated cylinders now .
If you polish the chambers a bit, you can usually get the brass to come out just by slapping the back of the cylinder on your off-palm. And, if you get that dialed in, reloading can be every bit as fast as it is with any single action (like the Colt Army Revolver). In my own case, I find it to be faster. I have the 1858 8" RNA by Uberti, in stainless, and I absolutely love it. I shoot it more often than I do my Colt SA. My favorite way to load and shoot it, is with black powder paper cartridges, with conical bullets (which are far faster to reload than most people probably think). I cast my own bullets and make my own primers from thin sheets of copper and paper cap-gun caps. The whole process is just a lot of fun! I don't make my own black powder...yet. :)
I'm wondering, if you pull the bullet and powder from a cartridge and load them in a cap & ball revolver with a percussion cap, would it fire effectively? Assuming, of course, that the bullet was the right size for the cylinder & rifling, and the powder load was appropriate.
No. Modern firearms use a diferent type of powder. The explosion of black powder and substitutes creates a diferent pressure curve. Thats why the manufacturer specificly list cowboy ammo. You can use reloads if you know how to load to those specifications.
But with these steel frame guns you can usually load a 200 grain bullet and 40 or 50 grains of black powder. They are actually more powerful with maximum BP loads than with .45 colt
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher for clarification im talking about older guns. Modern firearms like ruger revolvers or rifles in .45 colt can be loaded to meet or exceed .44 mag. Cowboy loads for older style guns generally are only loaded to 300 foot pounds. Max load for old style guns (made after 1900) is hornady xtp 225 lever evolution @950 fps. Ruger only loads will drive a 250 grain at 1200 and 1400, too high for old gun designs. Old .45 colt guns made in black powder era are for black powder only. Even cowboy loads are unsafe. For ballistic comparision i not 5 minutesn ago tested a BP .45 brass frame 1851 with a .451 round ball over a lubed wad and 26.3 grains of pyrodex. Fired into a (legal late season harvest) doe head, it went between the eyes down through the skull, cracking the skull lengthwise for about 2.5 inches above the hole and exited through the esophogus, probably with energy to spare as it made it through the skin and deep into the dirt. Doe was 2-3 years old and had been taken with a rifle. Round ball penetrates significantly better than a similarly constructed bullet because of its shape. These old guns are very deadly . a .45 caliber hole is a .45 caliber hole!
I use the end of the ram rod handle to push out fired brass that stick. right size and always with you. I have two of the cartridge conversions and use them in my Pietta's. I also have 13 spare cylinders and can switch them out in a few seconds.
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I love the 1858 Remingtons. If 6 shots wouldn't do the job, you have 2 1/2 lbs. of hammer to work with.
At :23 seconds I thought he had a hi point
A four-pound Dragoon or Walker is better in that regard. "Purpose-built to kill a horse. By bludgeoning, if need be...."
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@@historyhunter5215 A compliment to Hi Point. I have the 995TS carbine, but those pistols are just too dang ugly even though owners swear they are great guns.
@@Theywaswrong Hi Point is actually good for having readily available around the house they are just so bulky...
Hey Hickok, a good solution to the dry fire problem is to use a snap cap in the cylinder you put the hammer down on. This way it doesn't matter if you dry fire to make sure the gun is empty. By the way, there is no problem with dropping the hammer on already fired cartridges, since the spent primer takes the impact.
I came down to say the same. On a side note, if you fire with one of them in the last chamber, the blast from the other rounds firing will burn off the coating on the snap cap in just a couple hundred rounds. It's kind of neat actually haha
Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider used the Remington and carried spare cylinders on his belt much like we do with speed loaders today. They show him reloading just before the final shoot out. I always thought that was a cool effect.Gabby
Gabby B fun facts
Cool. Andrew.
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher have you watched the movie? 1. he is carrying multiple cylinders 2. he is also carrying multiple guns..
what you understand is nothing
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher whhhut
The Pale Rider rig was a little different. It had a back plate with a single firing pin in it. The cylinder had no top on it with firing pins in them.
I cannot stress enough that cap and ball revolvers are not toys. They were used with deadly effect for about 45 years (1836 to the early 1880s) and are still deadly.
The late gun writer Elmer Keith, who was taught how to use cap and ball sixguns by Civil War veterans, wrote, "For its size and weight, nothing is so deadly as a pure lead ball driven at 1,000 feet per second."
The ghosts of millions would sigh and agree. Give a cap and ball sixgun the same respect you would any modern firearm.
Actually, probably MORE respect. They are just finicky and tricky enough to use that an accident is probably even MORE likely to happen. Lots of different things to do correctly in getting them loaded and primed.
Its all in the tools you have and the amount of time you spend shooting them, I shoot them weekly and have no issue running 50 rounds or more in my revolvers per trip. Speed loaders, after market cones and what not help big time!
+Gunsforfreedom I couldn't agree more. All guns are deadly and deserve the utmost respect and proper handling.
+Gunsforfreedom Honestly, in a Life or Death situation, I would still rely on a C&B, if no other firearm was available. At close range, even a non-vital target would still suffer a fair bit of damage.
+Gunsforfreedom
The Civil War taught us that and the death toll. Like Hickok45 said BP revolvers are finicky, tricky and you have to be on your toes ready for the unexpected to happen even when you do get them loaded correctly.
Those Remingtons are absolutely beautiful!
Bruningable they are amazing looking
Guys
My question is is there a semi auto version in this model revolver?
if its there it would be cool
Hari Rajeev nope there definitely isn't a semi automatic version of this revolver. The first commercial semi automatic revolver wouldn't be available until the early 1900s.
Bruningable well it isn't actually a Remington, it's a replica but it is beautiful.
Those reproductions aren’t too expensive either, cabellas has them starting at 200$
I am a huge fan of the Remington revolvers. I own a 1858 and a 1875 both made by Uberti of Italy. When he speaks of caliber, he is spot on. The black powder round balls from Hornady that work well with the '58 are .451" or a .45 caliber. This is why the .45 Colt cartridge is the choice for conversions.
The 1890 is a beautiful piece of hardware, too.
44 magnum 45 colt so overrated
I prefer the .454 ball allows more surface for the rifling to have an effect. That was the thought pattern anyway. That neat little ring you get pressing the shot into the cylinder the thicker the better.
It’s .454 not .451. That’s a .45 caliber
@@dwaynentinabunt1200 Yep, the .454 provides a bit more lead to account for any irregularities in the ball or the cylinder.
Love this man.My son says he hides his light under a bushel,champion pistol shooter in the 90's and he knows how to handle a gun.
I have one of these and I love it. Takes forever to load but shoots pretty straight and surprises people at the range. I got one of the conversation cylinders and it cost more then I paid for the gun. Mine has Pieta/Uberti stamped on the barrel.
Another great video, love the hickok45 channel
yo what it's my boi but you probably ain't gonna respond
@@peanutbutterboi8489 7 years ago? goddam was he even doin youtube then? lol
Hey AFP didn’t expect to see you here!
Fancy seeing you here when you're not playing ATC.
I'm reminded of the movie Pale Rider and how Clint Eastwood speed loaded his by just swapping out cylinders
Tadicuslegion78 yeah, its pretty cool stuff.
Clint Eastwood be damned, the soldiers who had a six shot revolver would have a pre-loaded cylinder ready in a leather pouch at their belt and could mean the difference between life or death. (swapping out cylinders.)
Tadicuslegion78 yea, then finished him with that pocket .31, one of my favorites
@@dehoedisc7247 Triggered?
I shoot an Italian 1860 Colt Army, cap&ball. Those old timers kept that center pin loose and soldiers and any sensible gunfighter tended to strip out some perfectly good guns to keep the cylinder to save weight. A cylinder swap is a lot quicker than the single cartridge reload when the gun is nice and loose. Only the Schofield type could come close. But, when the cylinders were spent, grab that 44.40 Winchester or keep a reloader. But yoo may have to feed them. Proof that women were just as mechanicial minded as men, even then!🤐💨
I have the 38sp conversion and it is my second favorite pistol for Cowboy Action Shooting. Very smooth and reliable. The weight absorbs all the recoil so I can stay on target.
Hickock you totally read my mind! i just received my 1858 in 44 , with the 45 conversion cylinder on its way and this whole video i was waiting to hear you call out the calibers. You had me nervous for a second lmao. Thanks again for another awesome video!
Getting the cylinder in and out of the frame is easier if you remember that it comes out the right-hand side, but goes in on the left-hand side. It has to do with catching and the lifter that rotates the cylinder around. I also found it helps to rotate the cylinder a bit as I put it in.
Basically the same rig as the one Clint Eastwood carried in "Pale Rider."
Loved the history lesson, HK45.
Hope you're enjoying your retirement even more than we're enjoying your consistently excellent vids.
I use the 1858 Pietta .45 LC 5 shot cylinder by HOWELL Old West Conversions. The cylinder has a notch between the chambers, on which you can rest the hammer. Since it's a 5 shot, it has 5 chambers with much thicker walls which makes it a lot stronger. It fits perfectly out of the box and cheaper than the other brands.
That's the info I was looking for. Thanks!
I've been shooting these conversions for years, had no problems. The loading lever works better for me than a stick for stubborn cases, though - and is always at hand.. I would suggest using a buffer and rouge in a dremel to polish the cylinder every three or four cleanings, it helps.
Several years ago "Guns of the Old W est" magazine ran a test of these Remington Conversions, 30 or so shooters, ranging from novice through experienced, and to their surprise found that consistently it was faster to drop out one of these cylinders, dump cases, reload and reinsert; than it was to load a Peacemaker through a gate! I know I sold a repro Remington 1875 "gate-loader" because I could load these faster. Go figure.
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Interesting. I guess dry powder was more certain. No caps to fall off or jam, when they did reload, easier & wind & rain wasn't an issue. No chain firing which in battle could well happen as no extra precautions would be used. Also less kit to carry, just brass loaded ammo. I think if I had been in the army, & had the choice, I would have had the conversation. That said, here in N. Ireland, this Saturday, I don't expect to be under the same pressure so I will stay cap & ball. Thanks for sharing as an owner of this gun & brand I found it very interesting.
Unless im highly mistaken these conversions were not available during the civil war. It wouldve been preloaded black powder cylinders similar to the way eastwood did it in his movies.
Love the old videos. Hickok keeping history alive
feek older knowing another 10 years have passed since this?
excellent review, very interesting and quality conversion cylinder I'm sure a lot of black powder revolver owners will appreciate.
That cylinder cost as much as the whole revolver.
@@robinthrill3r7 where???
@@robinthrill3r7 Where do they have the conversions for 100 bucks?
@@robinthrill3r7 bruh
@@robinthrill3r7 you guessed perfectly. Do you still know where to buy one homie
@@robinthrill3r7 still waiting for where to buy cylinder at 100$
About your discussion on the whole "why is it a .44 barrel and shoots a .45 cartridge?" thing here is some info for ya: the .44 caliber ball rounds (those for blackpowder) can range anywhere in measurements from .433 to .454 thousands of an inch and the .45 caliber bullet (those designed for use in cartridges) usually measures anywhere from .452 to .451. So that being said, a .44 caliber ball is the same as a .45 caliber bullet. Though you were close you were also pretty far away with the whole "it's the rifling diameter" thing. I am glad you said "I think" instead of "I know".
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I meant: "anywhere from .452 to .454" not: "anywhere from .452 to .451" sorry I was thinking of something else while I was typing and I typed out what I was thinking about. It's like typing: "I had a Glock 27 or Glock 17 time today"
Right. It’s the .454 bore, not “the rifling thing.” I’m glad you posted that.
Cartridge gun are measured from diameter of the brass, not the bullet because the first rim fires the bullet was the same as the brass (look at a 22). .38 has .38 brass and 357 bullet.
With C&B you have to use an over size ball to Seal each chamber to prevent chain fire. I load a .458 ball. Fired balls I've recovered measure about .442 on the Land and .448 - .45 on the groove. So it is the difference in modern bore measure. I also use a conical Johnston & Dow bullet which is .462 diameter, again to Seal the chamber. The chambers themselves are about .451
So alismale, maybe you should have said "I think", ya think?
Just sayin....Heheh
Cheers
I got a .44 Sile New model Army that was made in Italy in 1953. It was my grandfathers and I just shot it for the first time yesterday and loved it.
I have and shot AR's, Bolt guns, lever action, Regular semiauto handguns and today's revolvers but this was my first time shooting a black powder and I fell in love 😍
Why haven't I done this years ago is beyond me.
Thanks for the very good information
Your aim is spot on, almost every single damn shot! wow, that is amazing!
You kidding?
He missed every shot at the start of the video. His shooting has really gone downhill.
Why, the second he was finished attempting his sixth shot I just paused the video disliked it and unsubscribed. SMH.
@@kgpspyguy Actually, he didn’t miss the first 6 shots. He was firing percussion caps on unloaded chambers. It requires a sense of humor to appreciate.
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Love the BP conversions, fascinating history AND fun to shoot!
Your video's keep getting better and better! Thanks and keep it up.
Good video, Hickok45. It is an excellent history lesson about conversions for a percussion cylinder to a cartridge cylinder in old revolvers. And, it's also a quick explanation about why those old guns are actually .45 caliber revolvers. Plus, Hickok45 must be the toughest kid in the neighborhood; he leaves the loop on the back of his shirt, because no one would dare lock a padlock onto that loop.
The first time I have seen this model with a conversion. Very interesting and good shooting as usual.
I really enjoyed this video! Clint Eastwood used a Remington Revolver in Pale Rider. I would have definitely felt well armed carry a brace of Remington's back in the late 1860's-early 1870's....
If one can afford to get a few cylinders you can speed load these Guns pretty fast once you practice a few times at the range of course they're great for home defense and the Sheriffs Model fits nicely in a Night Stand .
Thank You for the video and God Bless You And Family.
I love the Remington, the firing cap would hangout up on my colts. But never in the Remington. Also it was easier to change the cylinders out to reload.
Now those are some very nice guns. Very interesting information about the bore size too and how that was measured. Great video!
I always loved the way Clint reloaded in Pale Rider. It was kinda intimidating, but cool.
Hickock, we need to get you a pair of Ruger Old Army revolvers.
Ruger are you listening? Please make them again!
Wish they would but they won't unfortunately
I keep one of these loaded in my nightstand as a house gun. Sealed the caps with clear nail polish. Dowel seated them. 200 grain Lee conical sized to fit tightly. 30 grains of Triple Seven sitting on top of five grains of Swiss null B. Don't take my advice on that one, but it has proven to be safe in my stainless Uberti. ABSOLUTELY reliable, and at least as powerful as basic .45ACP ball.
Here I sit sipping oak aged rum smoking a Lucky Strike watching Hickok45 shoot the guns of yesteryear. Life is good.
Oklahoma state law requires all 21 year old able body males purchase a cap and ball revolver (no brass frame).
REALLY that's awesome
This was really interesting, hickok45. I had always wondered how those conversions worked and if they were any good. Now, thanks to you, know.
Thanks for another one Greg. I just found one for sale and couldn't get to the seller fast enough. I do have a SAA but alone here as I might be, gotta say that I find the 1858 Remington way nicer looking than the Colt SAA. OK, so if everyone is finished throwing rocks in my direction, I haven't stated the Colt 1873 is ugly, just that the Remington is prettier, way prettier. What's not to like? More moving parts so that has to be a plus and not only that but packing the chambers gives one time to contemplate what everyone is up to, right? Hmmm .... new cap ball assault weapon. It may not be fast but it is slow.
I recently ordered me and received an Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army .44 caliber revolver from Dixie gun works online and a fluted 6 shot Howell .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder for it from midway USA. I ordered them with overnight shipping this past weekend and got them both on Tuesday and made an unboxing video and posted it on my channel. I live in MA. and even in MA. I could get both shipped to my MA. address. Ammo is a different story. Yesterday I drove 275 miles on an ammo run to the cabelas in Hamburg PA. to score me some HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy load cartridges and I was successful! I got the last 2 boxes they had in stock! I then had a successful ammo run celebration meal at the Cracker Barrel near there and drove 275 miles back to where I live in Springfield MA. It is a very tight fit getting it in my piece but I checked the alignment by inserting a cleaning rod and a .40 caliber drum jag with a dry patch on it down the barrel into the chamber and it aligns fine. The cocking action with it is ok although it could be a might smoother. Over time with use it will probably go in smoother and cock smoother
You don't want to make your own 45 colt ammo? Check out Lees classic 45 colt loader, it's a simple 30$ tool. That way you gonna save tons on ammo. 45 colt is caliber worth making, you can even cast lead tips yourself!
On my colt and ubertis - So i don't dry fire on an empty cylinder i safely load the sixth cylinder that is normally empty with a snap cap. Works every time, and saves the pin from being damaged.
Might have to use that, or just use an empty case.
So if your cylinder only had 2 chambers load one .life is risky.i would think back in the day six would be loaded.if you're. That clumsy go get a water gun.
carlos trujillo that’s kind of like saying you’re a bad driver and shouldn’t drive if you want a seat belt and and air bag in your vehicle
I've done the same thing -- only problem is, that snap cap gets mighty dirty!
In my Remingtons there is a space for the hammer to sit between the cylinders. Totally safe. Why I prefer them
Just bought the Pietta Remington 44cal Black Powder Revolver And it's such a beautiful work of Art 🎨 I don't even want to handle it to much let alone shoot it 😂. So I may just hang it on the wall as a talking piece. These Black Powder Revolvers made in Italy 🇮🇹 are a work of Art !!!!!!!
Thanks for the video and God Bless You And Family. Amen
My eyes are bulging from my head and im foaming at the mouth
but my wallet is giving me the stink eye and thus, these purchases must wait another day.
Only 350-500 for a colt army! It’s quite cheap all things considered
Ive always been a remington fan, I love my 870 express magnum and my SR45. I've always wanted these cause when I was younger I'd seen this gun in video games known as a new model army. That and some movies and just the overall look and design has made me want to own one of these guns
Liked the intro lol
I couldn't understand what was happening until he got close up, lmao.
+lafronz LMAO it's true I can tell from your picture your Army.
I cast a .445 ball that works in Remington .44 and also in a .45 Kentucky rifle but patched. So in my experience a .445 can be either depending on the lands and grooves Remington had a stronger design than Colt
Great video
I have one made by pietta in Stainless steel with the conversion cylinder. One of my most accurate handguns. Fun to shoot. I take this one with me when I go out on a hunt. It’s just a fun sidearm to have.
Old habits DIE HARD. I laughed out loud when he couldn't help but give it one last click. Decades of safety conditioning means it just does not feel good to miss a step that you're used to taking. Loved that.
I love these and the 1875s.
Didn't know there was a conversion! Something else to add to my wish list.
Instead of counting rounds, you can stick a snap cap in the empty space in the cylinder. You can also stick in a spent casing, but I think the snap cap works better.
Does the spent casing protect the pin?
I’ve had 1851 Navy colts since 1989. First pistol “other than air guns” I had ever fired. Colts or colt clone navies are my favorite to this day. My experience with Remington New Army guns is they get fouled up very easily compared to the colts. Unless you already have a Remington New Army don’t waste time buying a conversion cylinder. Buy a factory built conversion you’ll have the same money in it and it’ll shoot regular factory loads. I have recently bought an Uberti “Richards Mason” based off of the 1851 navy in .38 special. It’s great! I hear the Uberti New army in .45 is great as well.
Hickok45 I love you to piece, but you got your facts flipped. The Colt model 1860 was being sold to the Union forces for more than double the cost of the 1858 new model Remington revolvers from the start. it was Samuel Colt who was taken to task by Congress for price gouging and was forced to lower the price to Remington's cost when they discovered the large price difference.
I have a Pietta and mine is a Howell. Dropped right in. Great stuff Mr. Hickok.
A common misconception is that his shooting range is covered with gravel. The truth is, it is nothing but spent casings!
He picks up his casings and reuses them :)
bob smith not all of them, he doesn't reuse .38 special
I always am learning from this man..
Bought one of these from uberti and the conversion cylinder recently, tons of fun! and the ammo lasts a while
I've been tempted to load up all 6 chambers from time to time but I'll be honest, it's not the easiest to re-seat the cylinder and I am understanding why they don't want you to do that now, it's a real struggle to get the dang thing in there safely sometimes
I bought a Pietta reproduction of the 1858 N.A.M. Remington 18 years ago.
It's a percussion one. I love it, and buy... How accurate it is at long range !
I haven't shot it in a while, but I have always said I'd try it with Minie bullets.
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The Kirst Konvertor lets you load it like a Colt SAA with a loading gate, but you have to remove metal from the frame. Still, much easier to load.
Also about 100 bucks more than the Taylor's conversion. And it holds one less round than the Taylor's. And you gotta spend another 100 bucks to get the ejector rod assembly.
I think I'll stick with the Taylor's, looks cleaner
You explained way more than anyone else on youtube great video
The Remingtons are my favourite in the way it looks
I like the sheriffs model
I love a nice, heavy pistol. Its great knowing that you can probably keep fighting by bludgeoning your enemy once you run out of ammunition. Not the Desert Eagle though... That was a bit too chunky for me.
I got a copy of the Remington 1875 for exactly the same reason. Love a gun with a bit of heft to it
I fell I love with the conversions after seeing Clint Eastwood use the new model 1861 in Pale Rider when I was a kid.
You could probably keep a snap cap in place for the empty chamber to avoid damaging the firing pin.
Or just load all 6, it's not really a safety issue if you pay attention to what you're doing.
@@elementalist1984 Ya know the peoples wif a hole in their foot? That's what they all said! Heheh
This gun actually has a notch between 2 bores in the cylinder that you rest the hammer on when it is holstered so it's safe to carry fully loaded with 6
Before I realized what was happening, I thought you had the strongest wrists in the world!
The correct ball size for .44 cal capnballs is around .450-.455. The ball is slightly larger than the cylinder and barrel bores. This is to achieve as good of a seal as possible. The little lead rings you get are the extra .01 in the caliber. Conversion cylinders are bored out slightly more to accept the brass cartridge, and what happens here is more like a modern gun. The lead bullet hits the barrel cone and either gets shaved or smashed into the rifling, achieving an even better seal. Its not recommended using copper jacket bullets because of this. The barrels are designed for soft lead that the barrel can easily mold into shape
Don’t have this type of conversion, but I do have two 1858 conversions (factory conversions) by Uberti, one in 44-40 & one in 45 colt. Got them to along with my 1875’s (favorite six shooters). 👍🏼🤠
My only regret was getting the 8” barrel. That 5 1/2” looks sweet
Don't regret: with the 8" barrel you've got ca. 20% more muzzle energy, and also a much improved accuracy.
Boy do I Miss it, those were the days... out in the plane or in to the mountain on your horse with one of this on your side ......🌟
i love remington guns but im in the uk so we have strict gun laws and cant use these guns for many legal reasons and restrictions. i would love to be able to have and shoot them as you do here.
You are allowed to have black powder pistols in the UK. The ban on pistols was for center-fire and rim-fire cartridge pistols. If you join a shooting club you can purchase a black powder cap and ball revolver. They are in the category of antique and primitive weapons and are legal in the UK. You should do some research and see if there is a shooting club for them in your area. You have to be a member to provide a reason for your firearm purchase. I hope this helps you in getting yourself a legally owned UK pistol.😊
That's not true because they are replica. you can own orginal though. same as here in nz
It is true they are not rim-fire or center-fire and are allowed under the classification of "black powder or muzzle loader." I've talked with many people in Europe and the UK that are in shooting clubs and are using replicas. UK laws regarding black powder are as such.....
To legally possess a muzzle loading firearm which is to be actually used, rather than kept solely as an ornament or curio, a Firearm Certificate is necessary irrespective of the age of the firearm. All the same restrictions apply as they do to a modern breech-loading firearm.
This was coppied directly from UK firearms regulations.
Replica cap and ball can be owned and used in the UK provided a valid FAC is held. Usually membership of a shooting club or re-enactment society is required by the local Police authority but otherwise there is rarely a problem if you qualify to have an FAC-1.
(Originals can be held as antiques but you are not allowed to shoot them except for rare instances when checking they are still working. The view on how often has been pretty much defined as less than once a year. More than that would requires a FAC)
Load with 5 grains Titegroup for about 700 FPS, 250LRNFP, a very low pressure load so that the cases should drop right out. Advantages are: Caps do not fall off on recoil. Ammo can be stored in gun much longer, will not be affected by moisture like Black Power. You can practice at an indoor range. Clean up is 10 times easier. Failure to clean up the gun promptly will not cause it to "instantly" rust.
Mine is a mid 70's Euroarms Brescia. MIDWAY USA has these items. Lyman wrote the book on BP loads. As you can make your own BP, and cast your projectiles, this may be the ultimate survival firearm.
I recently read somewhere that the reason these guns "and the Single Action Army" shot high, was because the U.S.Army required the pistol to be sighted at 50 yards.
I just recently was given a Colt gen 2 SAA in .45 Colt and I am now off on a new adventure in my shooting career, leaning the history of these great American Inventions. I really enjoyed this video.
Yea, I had also read that it was 75 yards. But either way the two I have, one with 5.5 inch barrel the other 8 inch. both shoot about 5-8 inches high at 10 yards. But at 25-50 yards pretty dead on. If you want to shoot close file down the front post sight or just aim for the belly button.
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But if you file down the front, isnt it going to shoot higher?
I am getting one of these pietta 1858 guns for Christmas, so I had to find a u tube video for it. I'm glad I found your channel! The gun had been sitting in the small gun shop for almost three years for $300. Since it has been sitting so long, I'm sure there is nothing special about it, just an interesting/fun gun. I got the gun for $250. Now to find all the other stuff, eventually I will get the conversion. I have a few videos to catch up on!!
One of the first few to watch this awesome video!
One of the Conversion nipples is silver, that is the one you leave empty. I have 3 Pietta and 1 Uberti Remingtons. I love them. I bought 2 Pietta conversion cylinders and can shoot .45 LC. I used them for NCOWS/SASS. I can change a cylinder as fast as someone reloading a swing out cylinder. I didn't have to do any grinding to get mine to fit. They dropped right in..
I have 13 spare C&B cylinders for the Piettas.
I wish I could get conversions for .44-40. My 1860 Henry shoots .44-40 and I need two revolvers in that caliber. To eject the empties use the ram rod end. It will pop it right out without looking for something on the ground to do it.
As the gun was made in Europe; was that stick you picked metric??
I know you posted this video years ago. But it's still very informative. I got my mitts on a revolver carbine at the Wanenmacher's show. It has a conversion cylinder in it. I'm looking forward to putting some lead down range with it soon.
Hickok45 Have you seen Hell on Wheels, first season the main character uses a Confederate knock off of the Colt and then the Remington but whats surprising about the show is that it actually shows him reloading by changing the cylinders.
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he uses a griswold, in the show the prop is technically an 1860 army with a brass frame, but it looks similar enough to the giswold for the show.
Great video, glad it's still available after all these years! I've also got the full-sized 1858 Remington with conversion cylinder, glad I do because there's nowhere close by for shooting black powder loads. Fun fact: the gun itself, without the conversion cylinder, _isn't_ considered a firearm, it's an "antique firearm" by Federal law, so the rules are different. Depending on the state you're in, even otherwise "disqualified" people can own & shoot black powder weapons; that's why in most states people can buy black powder revolvers online and have them shipped directly to their home. Note: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, so do your own research to find out what's legal wherever you live.
When you have a bias you are going to find a lot of things wrong such as the "feel" or the "balance" but at the end of the day, Remington was the superior gun.
I got a Kirst Konverter 45 Colt cylinder in my Pietta 1858 New Army and it works well. The cylinder I have has a loading gate so I dremeled out a channel on the frame of the revolver so I could use an ejection rod and not have to take out the cylinder to unload. The ejection rod was a seperate purchase but fits the New Army like a glove. A fun gun to shoot.
I have an original that was converted to .45 colt in the early 1870s. It was used on the confederate side. Love this gun!
Show a picture!!
I, too, would like to see that!
Stephen Quirk one does not simply share a picture on a TH-cam comments section. It’s impossible.
I absolutely respect the fact that you go from this to highpoint to .308 scout rifles. You would be the best neighbor of all time
As long as you don't live downrange from Hickok.
Had one of these a few years back. It was fun to shoot. I didn't mind the slow loading. I would like to get a Walker or Dragoon.
These cartridge conversions are such a cool subject.
If I remember correctly (and that is always a scary thing,) these were originally sighted for 100 yards. so they always shoot high. Nice video.
monkeyship74401 sights were reported set for 50 yards. Cav soldiers were trained to hit at 50 yards with the 6 shooters.
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The cylinder has a notch cut into it, so you can rest the hammer into.... load six, and safely carry six... yep I own one, and love it.
Hickok never misses, what's going on! LOL
I think he played you like a fiddle.
Lethal work of art right there
Reminds me of Ed Harris's gun from west world. However, that was a Lemat not a Remington. So........ It was still a cartridge conversion.
The .44 barrels back then measured from the barrel rifling top land to top land, then later they measured from bottom groove to bottom groove. The .44 cap and ball uses a .451 to .452 diameter ball, the .45 Colt cartridge uses either a .452 or .454 diameter bullet, the .003 difference isn't noticed in the gun except for some lead shaving at the cylinder gap.
I thought the beauty of a 1858 is you can carry it fully loaded. That's what the notches are for in the cylinder.
Exactly, the hammer rests between two chambers on a special slot
The conversion cylinder doesn't have the safety notches between the chambers like the black powder cylinders do.
@@watzup62 some do, on the Taylors website you can see them in the pictures. They have close-ups of the plate that has firing pins and you can see them
@@jaysonsetzer2287 Those would be the ones to get then. I never liked the idea of loading five rounds in a gun that holds six. I have a Pietta 1858 new army and I like the idea of having more options for it. I will definitely check out Taylor's site.
I find it amazing that patent rights could prevent either side acquiring the most advanced weapons in war time. The Colt grip filled the hand better than the Remington, strange why there are no aftermarket fuller grips.
In a pinch use the end of the loading lever to eject the cases. =)
Nice to see someone promoting old time revolvers. Try putting a dummy 45 Colt round in the empty chamber next time, identifiable as such by the color, to avoid damaging to the firing pin. Otherwise just an empty cartridge case would be better than nothing. I carry a wooden dowel (a former kitchen accessory) to bump out stuck empties. I used to believe Uberti's were closer to original specs, but Mark Hubbs did some comparisons (on youtube) and found the Piettas to be closer in most respects. BTW they are usually true 44s, the barrel being .449'" even though the cartridge chambers are around .452" (some lack of uniformity in replica production of cap and ball cylinder chambers has confused the issue). That's why the cartridges should sport pure lead bullets... a harder metal is in danger of damaging the forcing cone, getting stuck in the barrel, or worse... another interesting video, man, keep rolling 'em out. ...
You'll NEVER See ME worrying with putting a snap cap or empty case in the 6th chamber. WAY too much hassle to keep up with every time your loading and unloading. Even though the Colt SAA is about my favorite handgun, I'd throw them all in the trash before I'd do that.
They've all done just fine the decades I've owned and fired them, and they all seem to have done just fine for the many decades other people shot some of them before I took possession. :-)
@@hickok45 Whoa, steady on, feller, no need to get uptight. It was just a suggestion from someone who likes to shoot those things. FYI you'll also never see me putting a snap cap or empty in one of my replica Colt SAAs either, but then those conversion cylinders are not Colt SAAs. You wanna ignore the manufacturer's instructions on how to treat those conversion cylinders, that's your business ... but nobody's perfect, so relax, and I, like a helluva lotta people, do largely enjoy your videos, and learn a lot from 'em too, and hope you continue producing 'em... So chill out you grumpy old so and so, and get back to making more videos ;-)
Can't wait to get my first BP revolver and rifle. I've got so many ar's I need to counter balance the collection lol.
They , back in those days measured the lands . After the conversions started and the peacemaker , they switched to the groove measurement . 🤠 You have the best and most entertaining videos . They also have the ejecters and gated cylinders now .
If you polish the chambers a bit, you can usually get the brass to come out just by slapping the back of the cylinder on your off-palm. And, if you get that dialed in, reloading can be every bit as fast as it is with any single action (like the Colt Army Revolver). In my own case, I find it to be faster. I have the 1858 8" RNA by Uberti, in stainless, and I absolutely love it. I shoot it more often than I do my Colt SA. My favorite way to load and shoot it, is with black powder paper cartridges, with conical bullets (which are far faster to reload than most people probably think). I cast my own bullets and make my own primers from thin sheets of copper and paper cap-gun caps. The whole process is just a lot of fun! I don't make my own black powder...yet. :)
I'm wondering, if you pull the bullet and powder from a cartridge and load them in a cap & ball revolver with a percussion cap, would it fire effectively? Assuming, of course, that the bullet was the right size for the cylinder & rifling, and the powder load was appropriate.
No. Modern firearms use a diferent type of powder. The explosion of black powder and substitutes creates a diferent pressure curve. Thats why the manufacturer specificly list cowboy ammo. You can use reloads if you know how to load to those specifications.
But you can not fire modern powder in the black powder cylinders
The construction of the cylinder as well as the cartridge helps contain the pressure. Without the correct cylinder you might explode your gun
But with these steel frame guns you can usually load a 200 grain bullet and 40 or 50 grains of black powder. They are actually more powerful with maximum BP loads than with .45 colt
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher for clarification im talking about older guns. Modern firearms like ruger revolvers or rifles in .45 colt can be loaded to meet or exceed .44 mag. Cowboy loads for older style guns generally are only loaded to 300 foot pounds. Max load for old style guns (made after 1900) is hornady xtp 225 lever evolution @950 fps. Ruger only loads will drive a 250 grain at 1200 and 1400, too high for old gun designs. Old .45 colt guns made in black powder era are for black powder only. Even cowboy loads are unsafe. For ballistic comparision i not 5 minutesn ago tested a BP .45 brass frame 1851 with a .451 round ball over a lubed wad and 26.3 grains of pyrodex. Fired into a (legal late season harvest) doe head, it went between the eyes down through the skull, cracking the skull lengthwise for about 2.5 inches above the hole and exited through the esophogus, probably with energy to spare as it made it through the skin and deep into the dirt. Doe was 2-3 years old and had been taken with a rifle. Round ball penetrates significantly better than a similarly constructed bullet because of its shape. These old guns are very deadly . a .45 caliber hole is a .45 caliber hole!
I use the end of the ram rod handle to push out fired brass that stick. right size and always with you. I have two of the cartridge conversions and use them in my Pietta's. I also have 13 spare cylinders and can switch them out in a few seconds.