Scofield 45: "Me and Jesse James think it's the best handgun in the world. Had the trigger guard removed helps with draw time. Dont wear it while your drunk, or you will kill your feet." -Quick and the dead.
Schofield was made a brevet brigadier general during the Civil War. At the time he patented his Schofield features for the the S&W, he had resumed the permanent rank of major. Despite not being able to chamber the longer 45 Colt round, rumors abound that the Army purchased his design from S&W because his older brother, John, was head of the Army Ordnance Board at the time. Schofield was a Lt Col at the time of his death. He committed suicide with one of his revolvers.
@@jeffspencer7617 I think a part of it may have been the loss of his wife a few years earlier. Sales of his revolver design had been limited and the gun was withdrawn from service use due in part to its inability to chamber existing stocks of 45 Colt rounds (the reverse was not true). And there were rumors that his pistol had been selected by Army because of his brother's influence. I suspect there was much to it than these reasons alone.
Love your videos, Always watch till the end.Acquired a small collection and got this old man's ocd going.Cant wait to go fire some of them especially the 94 winchester s 1949 and a 1955.Again nice work from you and John.
HICKOK , BROTHER I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT WANT TO BE IN YOUR LINE OF FIRE EVER !!! YOU AND MY UNCLE ARE TWO OF THE BEST SHOTS I’VE EVER SEEN ! I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN YOUR LINE OF FIRE 🔥!! GOD BLESS !!!
2:02 It's a wonder-ful world! 😉 My buddy had a double-action H&R top-break 22 that was like a smaller version of the Schofield. The top-breaks are fun guns to shoot!
@@oldcop18 "Well, you, sir, are a coward! You just shot an unarmed man!" "Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend..."
As a Lefty, I adapt. I love paddle mag releases, but am just as comfortable using my left middle finger or trigger finger for mag releases. Tried ambi mag releases on FNs and Springfields, but keep going back to what 89% of the population uses. I just adapt. Or I get CZs with decockers and don't worry about it. My 1911s have ambi safties. The ones that don't are range toys and/or safe queens. Lefties can adapt. Edit: Both of those revolvers are amazing.
@@TheBowlerHatGuy-dm2gr lefty here, usually i use the left to hold the gun and the thumb to rotate the cylinder while the right moves the ejector rod... not the quickest thing but you can get used to it...
From what I read the top break design wasn’t trusted for larger calibers like .45 . It was thought that the lockup mechanism wouldn’t hold up that it would be too weak. I’m not sure if that was the case though. Great video as usual.
It's not that the Scholfields were to weak for the .45 caliber but rather the cartridge incompatibility with the Colt that was the problem. The cartridges for the Scholfield were slightly shorter than the Colt's and had a larger rim. The Colt cartridges were longer and had a much smaller rim. In fact one only just large enough to keep the cartridge in position for the firing pin strike. The ammo mixups for the two guns resulted in a cartridge called the .45 Colt Government that was able to be used in both pistols. It was the same length as the Simth and Wesson cartridge and had a larger rim that would work with the Scholfield"s star ejector but was of smaller diameter so it could still fit in the Colt revolver. This shorter Colt cartridge is why the original .45 Colt came to be be called the .45 Long Colt. It is also partly responsible for the Scholfield"s demise. This new short Colt cartridge led to reliability issues in the Scholfield that are still with us today. The modern Scholfield replicas are made a little longer than the original guns in order to accommodate the longer cylinder needed for the .45 Long Colt cartridge. The modern .45 Long Colt cartridge retains the larger rim of the old Colt Government cartridge and so can be used in the modern Scholfield replicas. It is this smaller diameter rim that is the cause of ejection issues with the Scholfields if one does not invert the gun to dump the spent cartridges downward. The smaller diameter rims can sometimes slip past the ejector star and become trapped under the star when it closes. The larger rims on the original Smith cartridges allowed for clean ejections with the gun in an upright position. This ejection issue ment that the guns now had a much higher chance of getting jammed up during combat. This new reliability issue along with the higher cost of the gun over the Colt ultimately led to its withdrawal from service in favor of the Colt.
As it says in one of my late father's books about the old west, they (other firearm manufacturers) failed to make the Peacemaker obsolete, and in effect all its rivals were competing for second place. Still, I'd love to try both of them.
The Deadman's Gun! What a beaut! Well, that and the SAA are both stunners. 1 second to unload the Schofield and 10 to unload the SAA. Might it have made a big difference to a cowboy in a gunfight?
I think the fact they sometimes get stuck behind the extractor is the fact the scofield cartridge had a slightly larger rim compared to 45 colt, which they originally were not chambered for.
(Mike C) True! 45 Colt rim is very small plus the Scofield cartridge was shorter which I think kept the cartridges from tipping away from the extractor before ejection. I have a Uberti Russian model 3 in 44spl and have never experienced that problem. I would hesitate to get a model 3 replica in 45 Colt because of the rim and would opt for one in 44-40 instead (generous rim).
@@dianecullum1281 Does Uberti offer the russian in 44 special? Its only listed as 44 russian - 45 colt on their website. I am looking to get a model 3 from Uberti currently too.
Looks for a moment like it took you back to your days of riding with Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday when you skinned them smokewagons and went to work. Nice vid Hickok, personally I'd go with both cause why choose?
Quality content! I have always wondered that. Now it makes total sense. Both require two hands, dexterity to reload, and the difference is a few seconds. Add in the ammo mixup and the Peacemaker is my choice.
Had a colt horse pistol, .45 cal and navy colt replica both shot black powder but my favorite was the army colt in .45 and got good at fanning the hammer. Had to clean it immediately to maintain working condition
Hollywood made the Colts and Winchesters famous. When Colt introduced the SAA in 1873 the country was in a deep recession. The cost of one was pretty prohibitive. Most likely the folks out west stuck to the Remmy and Colt cap and ball revolvers, some which were refitted with bored through cylinders that shot rimfire cartridges like the .46 Remington.
I love these videos of the Old Vintage Guns! So much history there and they're absolutely Beautiful! A very cool side by side comparison. I think you might not have mentioned that the Colt could use Schofield ammo, while the Schofield couldn't use the 45 Colt ammo.
When I saw doing cowboy action shooting I did both. I had the schofield on my right and colt on left. I'd open the stage with the colt and then use the schofield.
Hickok, within the first couple of minutes of your video, I had a sudden flashback of the remake of “3:10 to Yuma.” Ben Wade wielded “The Hand of God” Colt Single Action Army revolver and Charlie Prince wielded a pair of Schofields. You should do a video of the guns of “3:10 to Yuma.” In closing, both revolvers are “Wild West Awesome!!!”
just 10 minutes ago i received a call from the gun shop i just bought an uberti schofield, that it was shipped and will arrive next tuesday. i can't wait.
If it's a 38spl. Please be careful I've been dealing with cimarron's uberti schofield import a lot recently. Factory loads aren't always making it out of the gun, the first gun was destroyed due to this, the second has had two squibs of only 36 total rounds fired. I'm not looking to bash them, but please BE CAREFUL!
Oh lucky man, in the UK the government took away our handguns some years ago. I had a Uberti nickel plated Colt .45 4 3/4” bbl, early type with the bird’s head ejector button, like Bat Masterson’s. I so miss it. 😡
I have both and must say that the Colt feels better in the hand but I had some thicker wood grips put on my Schofield and it really improved the grip. Both are dead on accurate and I have never had a issue with functionality. Both are KEEPERS.
Perhaps the best was the 1858 Remington with a conversion cylinder. The first conversion cylinder for it (in .46 rimfire) hit the market in 1868, five years earlier than the Colt SAA.
Fun stuff. Seems like partial reloads of the schofield could be more problematic in an extended dirty battle. But full dumps and loads seem to favor it. Bat Masterson and Jesse James favored it some.
I've never fired a Schofield, but I'm very familiar with the Peacemaker. For the reasons you stated, regarding ergonomics etc I most certainly agree. The Colt .45 is just so well balanced with a consistent recoil. What can I say? I love the ol Sam Colts 😎
Hi, Hickock - you mention why people used to buy Colts rather than the glorious Schofield. I always understood that it was for a simple reason - S&W won a contract for the Russian army, and that took up all their manufacturing for years, leaving Colt to fulfil the US market. However, sadly, that could well be, as we Brits term it, complete bollocks! Thanks for another brilliant video.
Received my first single action today. Uberti Gunfighter .45lc/7.5. It is also my first revolver. Really liking it. Even as a clone it is just oozing character. (For me, in comparison to my Glock and CZ). It just feels like a real gun!
while living in Switzerland i had a collection of about 30 handguns and one Sig Sauer Commando assult rifle.. among my regular shooters was a wonderful 3 inch 29-4 44 unfluted lew horton , my revolver of choice despite the short barrel...i also had a s&w 500 which i also shot regularly but ammo was costly .My dad used my Colt Python and i also had a SIG p210 which was a delight! but i kept coming back to the 44s .. (thanks Harry) only problem was always the cylinder release would work loose with the recoil on the 629 but not the 29..
Believe or not, but before I got into guns I thought that revolvers have always been DA/SA like they are today. It wasn't until I got a Heritage Rough Rider and then watched some videos about revolvers and it really was an ''Oh wow'' moment. I do enjoy SA revolvers for 22lr b/c they do slow down things at the range, there's that and I do enjoy the whole loading/unloading process. I also like the way they feel in my hand.
Not sure how widely available it was in the old west, but imo the best horseback revoler would have to be the Webley. I have two of them, and a pile of moon clips, so you could speed up the reloading process dramaticaly.
The Old West, often romanticized in films and literature, featured several iconic firearms that were popular during the late 19th century. Here are some of the best-known guns from that era: 1. **Colt Single Action Army Revolver**: Often referred to as the "Peacemaker," this revolver was widely used by lawmen, outlaws, and soldiers. Its reliability and stopping power made it a favorite, and it became synonymous with the Wild West. 2. **Winchester Model 1873**: Known as "The Gun That Won the West," this lever-action rifle was favored for its accuracy and rapid rate of fire. It was popular among settlers, ranchers, and cowboys. 3. **Remington New Model Army Revolver**: This revolver was known for its solid construction and powerful .44 caliber. It was favored by many during and after the Civil War. 4. **Smith & Wesson Model 3**: A popular revolver among lawmen and outlaws, this gun was known for its accuracy and was often chambered in .44 Russian, a powerful cartridge. 5. **Sharps Rifle**: This single-shot rifle was known for its long-range accuracy and was favored by buffalo hunters and sharpshooters. 6. **Henry Rifle**: An early repeating rifle, the Henry was influential in the development of lever-action firearms. It had a 15-round magazine and was loved for its firepower. 7. **Colt Revolving Shotgun**: A unique firearm that combined the features of a shotgun and a revolver, it was used by some outlaws and lawmen for its close-range firepower. These firearms not only played significant roles in the history of the Old West but also became legendary symbols of the era. Each had its own advantages and unique characteristics that contributed to its popularity among those who lived during that time. 💪 🇺🇸
@opman3393 A dude I grew up with has a .32 caliber Pepperbox he acquired when his Grandfather passed away, it's a crazy gun to shoot for sure, it throws an impressive flame when shot!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have leanings towards Smith and Wesson today so I would probably go Schofield. However, everyone knows about the Colt so they definitely had their customer base going. I would say that the Smith was easier to load from horse back and you could hold the barrel in your hand with the reins while you were loading with the other hand ( cavalry would be wearing gloves/gauntlets so barrel heat should not be a factor). Let's muddy the waters a little more and add a Merwin Hulbert to the mix that sort of throws another load unload protocol to the mix that is sort of a conglomeration of the two in this video. I have heard that the Merwins were particularly well built and they give you more of a solid frame than the top break Smith while still giving you the faster unload over the Colt. Interesting video. I think that if Smith and Wesson had made the smart play and chambered their pistol in the same caliber as Colt it might have been a different story. Colt certainly helped it's popularity by chambering the SAA in non proprietary cartridges like the .44 and .38 WCF later to give them good rifle / pistol ammo combos.
Looks like from what you presented and what I took from it, the Schofield would be great for cavalry (except for the early ones needing two hands) and the Colt great for cowboys.
I’ve not seen a Schofield in a gun store but plenty of S&W #3 in 357 Mag. They are still quite pricey and I don’t have access to a horse to emulate an old cavalry run while shooting. And I don’t buy antique type guns just to shoot like the old guys did. I know that Schofield lost out on being “the gun that won the west” by having weaknesses. And, most importantly, the Colt will shoot Schofield ammo but you cannot shoot 45 Colt in a Schofield. Anyone remember the revolver Clint used to finish off Gene Hackman and his renegade deputies in the last scene of “Unforgiven”.? He used the kid’s Schofield.
I've always wanted to try a top break simply because it's cool. It always seemed like a really good idea but I never knew how it worked functionality wise. Guess I have to go to a CAS event and discuss it with people. OH NO! DARN!
Another youtuber I watch "Arizona Ghostriders" mentioned that he had a hard time reaching the hammer on the Schofield. So some people may have had the same problem back then.
The key thing is what else do you carry? If you are riding the range you carry a rifle as well - and the Colt SA and the Winchester 73 could both be obtained in 44.40 Cal - which means you only have to carry one type of ammunition for both firearms, something you couldn't do with the Scofield.
if you csn turn cylinder and load with one the Colt may have the advantage at least for liading on horseback. The cylinder wing serves as a blind finger guide. And once the bullet is in and cylinder rotated the bullet cant falk out. If the half cock safety never fails then the Colt may be , overall more practical in transit.
Like most competing products, there's advantages and disadvantages to both. I think Colt had an advantage in that they could make and distribute their wares better at the time. I suppose that it's also the look of a thing. While the Colt looked like you'd think an old west revolver should, the Schofield looked more hunched over. Although in the old west, I'm not sure that counted for much.
The original Schofield revolver was not a delicate revolver. Decent originals found today are almost always in working condition. The lock work was more sophisticated than the Colt SAA. When the trigger was pulled it mechanically locked the cylinder stop into the cylinder notch, however the current Uberti seems to lack that feature. The hammer nose was originally designed so it could be lowered between the cartridge case heads so the gun could be carried fully loaded with all six rounds. The latch parts were hardened and could be replaced if worn. For precision shooting a top break revolver offered the opportunity to visually inspect the bore for cleaning. The Schofield revolver handles and feels just like a fine target revolver. S&W did not promote the Schofield after Government contracts stopped it's said because of royalty payments. Since Schofield was a military officer, contract guns were devoid of any such royalty to him, but not for commercial sales. The Schofield revolver never appeared in any company catalogs and reloading tools were never offered. In fact, S&W never promoted commercial sales. Only about 600 commercial guns were ever sold to dealers.
I always thought that the Schofield was more expensive and that's why it wasn't as popular. I've also been told that the frame design didn't hold up to modern propellants. I don't know if either of these things are true.
If I had to hazard a guess as to why the Schofield didn’t overtake in popularity, my first guess after ergonomics would be purchase price. From what I’ve seen, it’s generally more expensive now, and I’d imagine it was then as well.
One explanation I've heard was that Colt was able to supply more on the civilian market because the Smith and Wesson production was tied up in contracts with foreign militaries like Russia.
(Mike C.) I do think the Colt SAA has the edge in handling so I guess if you lived in town and frequented saloons that might be the gun for you. However, if you were a frontiersman that had to travel through country inhabited by hostiles I would chose the S&W model 3. In a sustained fight it clearly has the firepower advantage. I love my #3 Russian in 44spl!
My favorite break action is my MkV Webley as it is built for smokeless powder and is compact and faster to use than my Webley RIC revolvers. I also have three Colt Thunderers because there are more compact than these bigger revolvers. I do have Spanish copies of the S&W break actions and a modern Italian 1873. If I was hanging out with Doc it would be the sheriff's model Thunderer I would be armed with.
You have to remember that they tried to save all the brass cause they mostly reloaded their own ammo. They made dies and loading tool that looked like a set of big players
Living in the UK I can only own the CO2 versions of these guns. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the SAA feels very well balanced in the hand and the sound and feel of the cylinder rotating and the cocking action really is superb but I would have thought that the loading cycle of the S&W would have won out in practice at the time. Despite what is said in the video the difference when loading/ejecting is significant.
I had a pellet gun Schofield that was metal, pretty weighty for a pellet gun. Didn't feel as natural in my hand as the 22 ruger i have now but reloading was definitely quicker.
My life won’t be complete until Hickok does atleast one powerful Airgun review such as the AEA Zeus, Bintac t9, Bintac s45, or the Huben gk1 air pistol!
I've carried both. I prefer the top break. The main reason is because I can use a speed loader and it drops the empties quicker. If my 44-40 top break were in good repair, I'd be carrying it. Currently, I carry a Cimarron 4½" Thunderer in 44 special.
Lots of violence could have been prevented in the old west.
If only cowboy architects had made the towns big enough for everyone.
😂
😂 that was a good joke
Slim, this town ain't never gonna be big 'nuff for the both us. You gonna grab that hogleg or whistle Dixie?
Maybe if they had social workers.
The Transit scheduling Authorities must also carry some of the blame, for having the last coach leave before sundown
Reminds me of the Outlaw Josey Wales...........“Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?”
Even if those were navy Colts as far as I remember.
From the UK never owned or even fired a gun, but for some bizarre reason think your channel is very interesting.
Self preservation has been part of the human evolutionary experience since the beginning. It's not bizarre, just foreign to you, friend.
Couldn't agree more.
Yeah cuz u r from UK dude
I'm from the UK and there is nothing bizarre about it - only that we cannot do the same here
oh boy they have u separated so far from reality i feel sorry for you
Looks like our friend got a camera upgrade recently. You can really see the beautiful metal and wood details in those pieces. Awesome
Scofield 45: "Me and Jesse James think it's the best handgun in the world. Had the trigger guard removed helps with draw time. Dont wear it while your drunk, or you will kill your feet." -Quick and the dead.
@@redpilllife4life198 best handgun in the world is colt single action FACT
Those are two classical guns, and I love both of them.
Man I want a Schofield
Every time I watch the new 3:10 to Yuma I almost make a irrational decision and buy one
Good call!
Me too! There kinda pricey Josh.
Schofield r kool but colt single action is the better choice FACT OF LIFE
I have been thinking the same. It’s definitely something that i need to grab asap.
Glad to see you back on the range sir. Godspeed!
Short and simple and straight to the point.🇬🇧
Thank you.
Schofield was made a brevet brigadier general during the Civil War. At the time he patented his Schofield features for the the S&W, he had resumed the permanent rank of major. Despite not being able to chamber the longer 45 Colt round, rumors abound that the Army purchased his design from S&W because his older brother, John, was head of the Army Ordnance Board at the time. Schofield was a Lt Col at the time of his death. He committed suicide with one of his revolvers.
Why
@@jeffspencer7617PTSD. No, it's not new, they just figured out what to call it.
@@jeffspencer7617 I think a part of it may have been the loss of his wife a few years earlier. Sales of his revolver design had been limited and the gun was withdrawn from service use due in part to its inability to chamber existing stocks of 45 Colt rounds (the reverse was not true). And there were rumors that his pistol had been selected by Army because of his brother's influence. I suspect there was much to it than these reasons alone.
Both of my favourites, and also S&w model 29 as yours
Love your videos, Always watch till the end.Acquired a small collection and got this old man's ocd going.Cant wait to go fire some of them especially the 94 winchester s 1949 and a 1955.Again nice work from you and John.
HICKOK , BROTHER I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT WANT TO BE IN YOUR LINE OF FIRE EVER !!! YOU AND MY UNCLE ARE TWO OF THE BEST SHOTS I’VE EVER SEEN ! I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN YOUR LINE OF FIRE 🔥!! GOD BLESS !!!
2:02 It's a wonder-ful world! 😉
My buddy had a double-action H&R top-break 22 that was like a smaller version of the Schofield. The top-breaks are fun guns to shoot!
I had one and wish I still had it.
Been shooting S&W PC 2000 Schofields for over 20 years in CAS! Love them. I have obtained seven different variations of the PC 2000 Schofield.
Do you have any videos off them? I'd like to see them.... way too cool!
Whenever I see a Scofield, I think about "The Scofield Kid" from the movie Unforgiven.
Clint Eastwood: "......Hell of a thing, killin' a man..."
Watched it a couple days ago
One of the greatests.
I was thinking the same thing, “Unforgiven” is a great movie.
@@oldcop18 "Well, you, sir, are a coward! You just shot an unarmed man!"
"Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend..."
@@r.b.ratieta6111 oh yeah, you know your classics sir.
As a lefty, always thought it would be a wonderful revolver to own.
Imagine reloading a Colt Single Action Army left handed
As a Lefty, I adapt. I love paddle mag releases, but am just as comfortable using my left middle finger or trigger finger for mag releases. Tried ambi mag releases on FNs and Springfields, but keep going back to what 89% of the population uses. I just adapt. Or I get CZs with decockers and don't worry about it. My 1911s have ambi safties. The ones that don't are range toys and/or safe queens. Lefties can adapt.
Edit: Both of those revolvers are amazing.
@@TheBowlerHatGuy-dm2gr lefty here, usually i use the left to hold the gun and the thumb to rotate the cylinder while the right moves the ejector rod... not the quickest thing but you can get used to it...
Hmm. I smell a rat. As a lefty, you should know that this is a high capacity fully semi automatic assault revolver.
Lefty, meaning Democrat, is that?
Writing from uk
The best firearm reviews and videos...great information, thanks
You wonder? People should do that more than blindly rely on something they are told. Keep up the content Hickok45 !!
As I was always told at school "Don't blindly accept the conventional thinking. Think for yourself."
@@mothmagic1 You must be a Republican brother. 👍
From what I read the top break design wasn’t trusted for larger calibers like .45 . It was thought that the lockup mechanism wouldn’t hold up that it would be too weak. I’m not sure if that was the case though. Great video as usual.
It's not that the Scholfields were to weak for the .45 caliber but rather the cartridge incompatibility with the Colt that was the problem.
The cartridges for the Scholfield were slightly shorter than the Colt's and had a larger rim.
The Colt cartridges were longer and had a much smaller rim. In fact one only just large enough to keep the cartridge in position for the firing pin strike.
The ammo mixups for the two guns resulted in a cartridge called the .45 Colt Government that was able to be used in both pistols. It was the same length as the Simth and Wesson cartridge and had a larger rim that would work with the Scholfield"s star ejector but was of smaller diameter so it could still fit in the Colt revolver.
This shorter Colt cartridge is why the original .45 Colt came to be be called the .45 Long Colt.
It is also partly responsible for the Scholfield"s demise.
This new short Colt cartridge led to reliability issues in the Scholfield that are still with us today.
The modern Scholfield replicas are made a little longer than the original guns in order to accommodate the longer cylinder needed for the .45 Long Colt cartridge. The modern .45 Long Colt cartridge retains the larger rim of the old Colt Government cartridge and so can be used in the modern Scholfield replicas.
It is this smaller diameter rim that is the cause of ejection issues with the Scholfields if one does not invert the gun to dump the spent cartridges downward.
The smaller diameter rims can sometimes slip past the ejector star and become trapped under the star when it closes.
The larger rims on the original Smith cartridges allowed for clean ejections with the gun in an upright position.
This ejection issue ment that the guns now had a much higher chance of getting jammed up during combat. This new reliability issue along with the higher cost of the gun over the Colt ultimately led to its withdrawal from service in favor of the Colt.
@@vernmorris8898that a fine explanation. Thank you.
As it says in one of my late father's books about the old west, they (other firearm manufacturers) failed to make the Peacemaker obsolete, and in effect all its rivals were competing for second place. Still, I'd love to try both of them.
I would carry both
The Deadman's Gun! What a beaut! Well, that and the SAA are both stunners. 1 second to unload the Schofield and 10 to unload the SAA. Might it have made a big difference to a cowboy in a gunfight?
Colt is my favorite. It just feels like an extension of your hand. The ergonomics is just right on the Colt.
from the Schofield kid to 3:10 to Yuma remake, I want a Uberti in .45 Colt!
I am a SCHOFIELD from Manchester UK, ha ha ha ha ha 😂 , love ❤️ your videos, cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 😊❤❤
Excellent video! Of course I have my own views on the subject, but I liked hearing your opinion. Good shooting too.
Love your channel! Go to it pretty frequently.
Don't suppose you can do a video of a 32H&R/S&W?
I think the fact they sometimes get stuck behind the extractor is the fact the scofield cartridge had a slightly larger rim compared to 45 colt, which they originally were not chambered for.
(Mike C) True! 45 Colt rim is very small plus the Scofield cartridge was shorter which I think kept the cartridges from tipping away from the extractor before ejection. I have a Uberti Russian model 3 in 44spl and have never experienced that problem. I would hesitate to get a model 3 replica in 45 Colt because of the rim and would opt for one in 44-40 instead (generous rim).
@@dianecullum1281 Does Uberti offer the russian in 44 special? Its only listed as 44 russian - 45 colt on their website.
I am looking to get a model 3 from Uberti currently too.
Looks for a moment like it took you back to your days of riding with Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday when you skinned them smokewagons and went to work. Nice vid Hickok, personally I'd go with both cause why choose?
It's like our AK vs AR15 / M16 videos and talks. Just solve the question by owning both if you can afford it!
Quality content! I have always wondered that. Now it makes total sense. Both require two hands, dexterity to reload, and the difference is a few seconds. Add in the ammo mixup and the Peacemaker is my choice.
I bought one a year ago and I love my Scofield
It’s always a good day when a video gets released… oh happy day!
Had a colt horse pistol, .45 cal and navy colt replica both shot black powder but my favorite was the army colt in .45 and got good at fanning the hammer. Had to clean it immediately to maintain working condition
Hollywood made the Colts and Winchesters famous. When Colt introduced the SAA in 1873 the country was in a deep recession. The cost of one was pretty prohibitive. Most likely the folks out west stuck to the Remmy and Colt cap and ball revolvers, some which were refitted with bored through cylinders that shot rimfire cartridges like the .46 Remington.
I love these videos of the Old Vintage Guns! So much history there and they're absolutely Beautiful! A very cool side by side comparison. I think you might not have mentioned
that the Colt could use Schofield ammo, while the Schofield couldn't use the 45 Colt ammo.
When I saw doing cowboy action shooting I did both. I had the schofield on my right and colt on left. I'd open the stage with the colt and then use the schofield.
I really would love to own an old single action colt too pricey for me.Great show Hickock God Bless
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Another great clip Mr Hickock 45! Keep them up
Hickok, within the first couple of minutes of your video, I had a sudden flashback of the remake of “3:10 to Yuma.” Ben Wade wielded “The Hand of God” Colt Single Action Army revolver and Charlie Prince wielded a pair of Schofields. You should do a video of the guns of “3:10 to Yuma.” In closing, both revolvers are “Wild West Awesome!!!”
just 10 minutes ago i received a call from the gun shop i just bought an uberti schofield, that it was shipped and will arrive next tuesday.
i can't wait.
There nice
👍
If it's a 38spl. Please be careful I've been dealing with cimarron's uberti schofield import a lot recently. Factory loads aren't always making it out of the gun, the first gun was destroyed due to this, the second has had two squibs of only 36 total rounds fired.
I'm not looking to bash them, but please BE CAREFUL!
@@Reedpipes1 it's an used gun, sold me by a friend, it works well. and it's in .45 colt
Oh lucky man, in the UK the government took away our handguns some years ago. I had a Uberti nickel plated Colt .45 4 3/4” bbl, early type with the bird’s head ejector button, like Bat Masterson’s. I so miss it. 😡
I have both and must say that the Colt feels better in the hand but I had some thicker wood grips put on my Schofield and it really improved the grip. Both are dead on accurate and I have never had a issue with functionality. Both are KEEPERS.
Perhaps the best was the 1858 Remington with a conversion cylinder. The first conversion cylinder for it (in .46 rimfire) hit the market in 1868, five years earlier than the Colt SAA.
Id like both these Lovely guns but hey, it’s a C-O-L-T and ya can’t beat that! Thanks Huckok45 and John! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
That man has a steady hand.
I thought you HAD to be talking about the 1858 Remmy, but a Schofield S&W is the next obvious candidate, so YEAH! Definitely looking for one of those!
I got a Italian SAA replica. These are fine guns. Well balanced and mechanically quite sturdy.
That Schofield is a thing of beauty. Would not mind having one of those.
Fun stuff. Seems like partial reloads of the schofield could be more problematic in an extended dirty battle. But full dumps and loads seem to favor it. Bat Masterson and Jesse James favored it some.
I've never fired a Schofield, but I'm very familiar with the Peacemaker. For the reasons you stated, regarding ergonomics etc I most certainly agree. The Colt .45 is just so well balanced with a consistent recoil. What can I say? I love the ol Sam Colts 😎
Hi, Hickock - you mention why people used to buy Colts rather than the glorious Schofield. I always understood that it was for a simple reason - S&W won a contract for the Russian army, and that took up all their manufacturing for years, leaving Colt to fulfil the US market. However, sadly, that could well be, as we Brits term it, complete bollocks! Thanks for another brilliant video.
Received my first single action today. Uberti Gunfighter .45lc/7.5. It is also my first revolver.
Really liking it. Even as a clone it is just oozing character. (For me, in comparison to my Glock and CZ).
It just feels like a real gun!
It almost feel organic.
while living in Switzerland i had a collection of about 30 handguns and one Sig Sauer Commando assult rifle.. among my regular shooters was a wonderful 3 inch 29-4 44 unfluted lew horton , my revolver of choice despite the short barrel...i also had a s&w 500 which i also shot regularly but ammo was costly .My dad used my Colt Python and i also had a SIG p210 which was a delight! but i kept coming back to the 44s .. (thanks Harry) only problem was always the cylinder release would work loose with the recoil on the 629 but not the 29..
Believe or not, but before I got into guns I thought that revolvers have always been DA/SA like they are today. It wasn't until I got a Heritage Rough Rider and then watched some videos about revolvers and it really was an ''Oh wow'' moment. I do enjoy SA revolvers for 22lr b/c they do slow down things at the range, there's that and I do enjoy the whole loading/unloading process. I also like the way they feel in my hand.
Nice comparison , always appreciated .
Not sure how widely available it was in the old west, but imo the best horseback revoler would have to be the Webley. I have two of them, and a pile of moon clips, so you could speed up the reloading process dramaticaly.
The Scofield is what Robert Culp carried in "Trackdown", the TV show of 1959 which is in reruns on YT.
The Old West, often romanticized in films and literature, featured several iconic firearms that were popular during the late 19th century. Here are some of the best-known guns from that era:
1. **Colt Single Action Army Revolver**: Often referred to as the "Peacemaker," this revolver was widely used by lawmen, outlaws, and soldiers. Its reliability and stopping power made it a favorite, and it became synonymous with the Wild West.
2. **Winchester Model 1873**: Known as "The Gun That Won the West," this lever-action rifle was favored for its accuracy and rapid rate of fire. It was popular among settlers, ranchers, and cowboys.
3. **Remington New Model Army Revolver**: This revolver was known for its solid construction and powerful .44 caliber. It was favored by many during and after the Civil War.
4. **Smith & Wesson Model 3**: A popular revolver among lawmen and outlaws, this gun was known for its accuracy and was often chambered in .44 Russian, a powerful cartridge.
5. **Sharps Rifle**: This single-shot rifle was known for its long-range accuracy and was favored by buffalo hunters and sharpshooters.
6. **Henry Rifle**: An early repeating rifle, the Henry was influential in the development of lever-action firearms. It had a 15-round magazine and was loved for its firepower.
7. **Colt Revolving Shotgun**: A unique firearm that combined the features of a shotgun and a revolver, it was used by some outlaws and lawmen for its close-range firepower.
These firearms not only played significant roles in the history of the Old West but also became legendary symbols of the era. Each had its own advantages and unique characteristics that contributed to its popularity among those who lived during that time.
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Throw in the old Gambler guns, the .45 caliber Derringer and the crazy Pepperbox!!!
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AI really? If it isn't, you are very well spoken but the asterix and formatting read like an AI generated response
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No place in here for the trapdoor?
@@jeff-ew7np The more the merrier!!!
My favorite gun is definitely the 1873 Colt Cattleman. It's about as iconic as it gets. It's also better for quickdraw.
Merwin & Hulbert for the win.
my 3.5 inch Schofield is my wear around the house defense gun of choice...........but I really like Colt SAA's as well......
I think a lot of the conflicts back then were settled in less than six shots. And I would guess they were up close and personal!
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I have leanings towards Smith and Wesson today so I would probably go Schofield. However, everyone knows about the Colt so they definitely had their customer base going. I would say that the Smith was easier to load from horse back and you could hold the barrel in your hand with the reins while you were loading with the other hand ( cavalry would be wearing gloves/gauntlets so barrel heat should not be a factor). Let's muddy the waters a little more and add a Merwin Hulbert to the mix that sort of throws another load unload protocol to the mix that is sort of a conglomeration of the two in this video. I have heard that the Merwins were particularly well built and they give you more of a solid frame than the top break Smith while still giving you the faster unload over the Colt. Interesting video. I think that if Smith and Wesson had made the smart play and chambered their pistol in the same caliber as Colt it might have been a different story. Colt certainly helped it's popularity by chambering the SAA in non proprietary cartridges like the .44 and .38 WCF later to give them good rifle / pistol ammo combos.
Looks like from what you presented and what I took from it, the Schofield would be great for cavalry (except for the early ones needing two hands) and the Colt great for cowboys.
"before I make you leave.." ha!
Scofield is the star weapon in the movie Unforgiven. Also kills Pitt in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.
I’ve not seen a Schofield in a gun store but plenty of S&W #3 in 357 Mag. They are still quite pricey and I don’t have access to a horse to emulate an old cavalry run while shooting. And I don’t buy antique type guns just to shoot like the old guys did. I know that Schofield lost out on being “the gun that won the west” by having weaknesses. And, most importantly, the Colt will shoot Schofield ammo but you cannot shoot 45 Colt in a Schofield. Anyone remember the revolver Clint used to finish off Gene Hackman and his renegade deputies in the last scene of “Unforgiven”.? He used the kid’s Schofield.
I've always wanted to try a top break simply because it's cool. It always seemed like a really good idea but I never knew how it worked functionality wise. Guess I have to go to a CAS event and discuss it with people. OH NO! DARN!
As usual, sensible, informative, interesting video. If only all could be like this, instead of glorifying the violence aspect of firearms.
I love the schofield so much! It’s my dream to have a pair of them.
Another youtuber I watch "Arizona Ghostriders" mentioned that he had a hard time reaching the hammer on the Schofield. So some people may have had the same problem back then.
The key thing is what else do you carry? If you are riding the range you carry a rifle as well - and the Colt SA and the Winchester 73 could both be obtained in 44.40 Cal - which means you only have to carry one type of ammunition for both firearms, something you couldn't do with the Scofield.
I would go with the colt, but I don’t really know why!
You are such a great shot!
Gatlin /Derringer 45/70 micro carbine standoff /pdw
w/ambo and dual underarm mount.
It seems to be about specific use & logistics: military vs frontier conditions.
if you csn turn cylinder and load with one the Colt may have the advantage at least for liading on horseback. The cylinder wing serves as a blind finger guide. And once the bullet is in and cylinder rotated the bullet cant falk out. If the half cock safety never fails then the Colt may be , overall more practical in transit.
Like most competing products, there's advantages and disadvantages to both. I think Colt had an advantage in that they could make and distribute their wares better at the time. I suppose that it's also the look of a thing. While the Colt looked like you'd think an old west revolver should, the Schofield looked more hunched over. Although in the old west, I'm not sure that counted for much.
The original Schofield revolver was not a delicate revolver. Decent originals found today are almost always in working condition. The lock work was more sophisticated than the Colt SAA. When the trigger was pulled it mechanically locked the cylinder stop into the cylinder notch, however the current Uberti seems to lack that feature. The hammer nose was originally designed so it could be lowered between the cartridge case heads so the gun could be carried fully loaded with all six rounds. The latch parts were hardened and could be replaced if worn. For precision shooting a top break revolver offered the opportunity to visually inspect the bore for cleaning. The Schofield revolver handles and feels just like a fine target revolver. S&W did not promote the Schofield after Government contracts stopped it's said because of royalty payments. Since Schofield was a military officer, contract guns were devoid of any such royalty to him, but not for commercial sales. The Schofield revolver never appeared in any company catalogs and reloading tools were never offered. In fact, S&W never promoted commercial sales. Only about 600 commercial guns were ever sold to dealers.
A plus for the Colt is one can reload one chamber at a time. Quickly.
You sir, are the Bob Ross of firearms
I always thought that the Schofield was more expensive and that's why it wasn't as popular. I've also been told that the frame design didn't hold up to modern propellants. I don't know if either of these things are true.
If I had to hazard a guess as to why the Schofield didn’t overtake in popularity, my first guess after ergonomics would be purchase price. From what I’ve seen, it’s generally more expensive now, and I’d imagine it was then as well.
I was just thinking about schofields today and this pops up!
One explanation I've heard was that Colt was able to supply more on the civilian market because the Smith and Wesson production was tied up in contracts with foreign militaries like Russia.
(Mike C.) I do think the Colt SAA has the edge in handling so I guess if you lived in town and frequented saloons that might be the gun for you. However, if you were a frontiersman that had to travel through country inhabited by hostiles I would chose the S&W model 3. In a sustained fight it clearly has the firepower advantage. I love my #3 Russian in 44spl!
@hickok45 you'd be a dangerous man back in the old west. You could be a dangerous man now days
My favorite break action is my MkV Webley as it is built for smokeless powder and is compact and faster to use than my Webley RIC revolvers.
I also have three Colt Thunderers because there are more compact than these bigger revolvers.
I do have Spanish copies of the S&W break actions and a modern Italian 1873.
If I was hanging out with Doc it would be the sheriff's model Thunderer I would be armed with.
You have to remember that they tried to save all the brass cause they mostly reloaded their own ammo. They made dies and loading tool that looked like a set of big players
Living in the UK I can only own the CO2 versions of these guns. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the SAA feels very well balanced in the hand and the sound and feel of the cylinder rotating and the cocking action really is superb but I would have thought that the loading cycle of the S&W would have won out in practice at the time. Despite what is said in the video the difference when loading/ejecting is significant.
Brand identification: A whole generation used 1851s, and Colt marketed conversion kits after the war (plus the '73 was cheaper than the Model 3).
I had a pellet gun Schofield that was metal, pretty weighty for a pellet gun. Didn't feel as natural in my hand as the 22 ruger i have now but reloading was definitely quicker.
My life won’t be complete until Hickok does atleast one powerful Airgun review such as the AEA Zeus, Bintac t9, Bintac s45, or the Huben gk1 air pistol!
I've carried both. I prefer the top break. The main reason is because I can use a speed loader and it drops the empties quicker. If my 44-40 top break were in good repair, I'd be carrying it. Currently, I carry a Cimarron 4½" Thunderer in 44 special.
I have an original first model 1875 Schofield. I have shot black powder rounds with it.
I think it could have become the iconic revolver of the Old West if ammo compatibility with other popular revolvers wasn't such a big issue back then.
Another excellent video.
I have them both, but in case of chosing the gun I would prefere , my choise would be the SAA.
We could only wish we had a grandpa like this
Don't have a Schofield to play with yet 🥲I love the Colt tho
Frank James' 1875 Smith & Wesson 2nd Model Schofield revolver #5476. Jesse liked them too