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The Lonely Experience Of SoloQ | Broken by Concept Episode 169 | League of Legends Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
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00:00 - 07:40 // Reading The Enemy's Mind
07:40 - 14:00 // “League Of Legends Is Such A Lonely Experience”
15:20 - 20:55 // Meaningful League Relationships + Utopia Narrative
20:55 - 25:45 // What Is Soft Inting?
25:45 - 31:05 // Winning Doesn’t Feel Good + Why We NEED Good Teammates
31:05 - 38:18 // A Lack Of Distinction Between Casuals & People Who Take It Seriously
38:18 - 46:10 // League Being A Brutal War Game
46:10 - 51:35 // Redditor Comment Calling Out Contradictions
51:35 - 01:00:55 // Managing Expectations Leading To Lowered Anxiety
01:00:55 - 01:10:23 // Summoner School - Being An OTP Making It Harder To Climb
01:10:23 - 01:16:25 // Curtis’ Clip Corner - Making Sense Of Why A Situation FEELS Bad
01:16:25 - 01:17:55 // SHOUTOUT TO XVIOLET : BBC Podcast Summaries
01:17:55 - 01:20:15 // Summoner School Moderation Applications + Akshan Case Study Follow Up
01:20:15 - 01:28:28 // Nathan’s Mailbag - Chris - Should I Cheat On My OTP?
01:28:28 - 01:35:07 // Nathan’s Mailbag - Jaycee/Logos - Taliyah Advice
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Totally not me rewatching my shoutout over and over again, who this girl nuhuh.
Soft inting is a buzz word, but there are times where I understand where people are coming from when they use it. It is useful when it's used to describe people who have actually given up and are basically just waiting for the game to end but also trying to avoid AFK detection. But I'll agree that a good portion of the times it's used, it's used to describe to people who are tilted or checked out (is the latter not soft inting though? Since you're no longer trying to win.)
I've "soft itned" before. Basically brainlessly split pushing. When I would get extremely tilted and just give up.
I honestly don't think many people soft int nearly as much as people say they do, I think they just bad and are mentally checked out, whether it be to tilt, being tired etc!
Disregarding their reason for acting like that, there should still be a penalty.
unfortunately riot can't or won't punish players for simply being bad, although at GM plus it should be pretty obvious but riot still refuses!@@sugarfree9921
'Have you heard of someone that casually plays ranked and still has fun'
Yes, I have between 500-1000 ranked games a season for 10 years. Was plat for 8 of those years. I played casually entire time with no real focus on improvement, just had a lot of fun. Never rage, never had a single disciplinary warning from riot. This season I decided to start taking it seriously and onetrick, just hit diamond for first time. But I genuinely enjoyed my time all those years and never really felt I had anything to complain about. And yes I have a job, but I'm a programmer, meaning I'm overpaid and work from home. So I get lots of league time. Lol.
Amen right there with you
i should probably clarify i do a lot of drugs and im generally a bit of a strange person so im probably not a popular case
@@smackheadsgyrowe are even more similar then
lol@@Hail_Fire
interestingly they go on to describe my way of being as dystopian
As someone in the MLS who doesn't play an approved champion I stuck to the champions I already knew because I've played them so much and I love playing them. I don't particulaly mind playing the MLS champions but I don't like any of them enough to onetrick. I prefer taking a longer journey but playing something I enjoy onetricking. I've been playing Cassiopeia for three months of my MLS journey and had mained her for four years. I recently swapped to Azir which is my secondmost played midlaner because I was honestly bored having mained her for so long and turning her into a onetrick. So now I play Azir and I have a lot of fun again!
Soft Int is more like when a player dies on purpose to speeds up the game by feeding gold and making it a 4v5. They try to be sly and die in a way that it doesn't seem intentional to avoid the ban hammer.
It happen to me earlier from a bad darius 😢 he lost lane to gragas and then would just fight no matter what and ignore minions when so behind... he wouldnt stop typing but I think he got banned anyways because he kept saying death threats ...
4 me that is trolling. Soft inting is not giving your best in my opinion.
what ban hammer i lost hope in this game after my 0-16 midlaner has went on to keep playing and hasnt gotten banned
When he said "This is a war game" I immediately think of AoE2 pro scene. There is a player called MbL who has a reputuation of stealing the enemy's boar at the start, because "it's a war game". In that game, being very aggressive with all in strats can brutally make someone feel a little helpless. I think the difference is in AoE, there is a readily available answer to these strats that you could have done. In league, it's like you have to count on your team to bail you out of being behind or they have to make a play cross map.
idk about the take that league is not a teamgame - the technique to treat it as a solo game may help to focus less on teammates but besides that this is a hardcore teamgame imo
for the 30 minutes you are forming a team with 4 strangers and you communicate mainly with gameplay. akin to traditional sports the game becomes a language itself overcoming verbal language barriers
of course there are teammates spam pinging but what about the countless top laners playing weakside (talk about lonely expierence) who hold it down because they understand that this is their job this game? what about botlaners who from the very first level depend on each other (try doing stuff as adc without your support) - they communicate mostly by their gameplay alone
its really the beauty in league to be on the same page as your teammates because you independentlly from another made the same expierences:
layering CC, fighting front to back, peel the carries, dive enemy carries, split, backdoor, stall and waveclear - there is so much communication and so much teamwork without the need for a single word
really interesting take, i can kinda get both sides tbh. like you said curtis' analogy can be really helpful for someone to focus solely on themselves but your perspective makes sense too especially for people who cant really "click" with their teammates too often even if both parties were good at the game
just to clarify if it didnt make sense i mean that some people really overlook the "working together as a team" part of league so much so that it can hinder their performance, because while the tools analogy addresses that issue, it could sometimes be applied in a bad way and sort of dehumanizes the people behind the screen on your team causing you to not work with them as effectively. because you still need them to be on your side at the end of the day.
i dunno tho, just what i took from this.
If either of them played bot lane they would know how stupid the "league isn't a team game" take is. Bot lane is LITERALLY built on working together closely with another player. My support is not a "tool" to be used, they are another living human playing the game that I need to communicate with and pay attention to in order to win. Curtis and Nathan are really off the mark here and the absolute arrogance with which they espouse their opinion leaves a really sour taste in my mouth.
There are people who end up dying because of this "it's not a team game" mindset. Kayn players are notorious for taking dumb fights and something about the enemies having an extra 1K gold because he's forcing invades with no idea where the enemy team is is so obnoxious. It's a very disconnected take to say that it isn't a team game. Many players think they are carrying until they get stunned one time and then just hand over 1k. @@stinker6784
I think they mean that the climb is a lonely solo journey moreso than individual matches. There are team aspects of course but the team will never always be the same so it's more about individual consistency and fitting into a team as a sole cog rather than relying on a team that you have no real knowledge of their skill set and playstyle unlike in other sports when you work with the same team, getting to know your teammates and getting the opportunity to strengthen bonds, work on team structure and mutual understanding with the belief of solidarity. You can't get this in solo queue so the best way to consistently win matches is to rely on your sole ability to benefit the team rather than to actually display proper Teamwork skills that you would typically expect from people who count themselves as a team and frequently work together.
Maybe we have a different definiton but i think soft inting is VERY common. During a single block i had 2 toplaners how refused to go their lane after losing it. Supports leave adc forever very often. Adcs stick to one lane and perma push it until someone kills them. In short soft inting doesnt mean dying on purpose it means pretending to play
As a support player who often leaves my adc I feel offended. I don't "pretend to play". I'm trying to expend our lead by getting other lanes ahead, getting objectives and denying enemy jungler. The fact that you don't understand the thought process or game plan of other players in your team doesn't mean they are "soft inting". Every one is doing what they see as the right thing to climb.
with soft inting I never thought it was a thing.
then I ran into a trundle support who sat mid and stole every minion he could, feed enemy mid, then top and jungle and just dance all game, last hitting kills when he could and just being a menace to his own team. no reports or bans help with that. somehow the guy is plat 4 💀
then months later i got an AP graves support that perma farmed my junglers camp. tilting my jungler… I got him again the next game and he did the same thing.,. still plat 3.. 19 loss streak…
idk accounts like that… they don’t even wanna communicate. I ask them why bother queuing… no answer
Banger episode, I loved the Enders game comparison
Curtis really sniped me with avoiding playing certain champs to shield yourself from the fear of failure
I was afraid of trying mechanically intensive champs because im getting old. Then i just snapped, first timed irelia in ranked and went on a 17 win streak with 100% winrate.
Soft inting is when PSZ runs on my lane and rage splits for 5min until the nexus explodes.
This podcast is very fascinating. Sometimes you guys have very nuanced takes. Other times there are really weird takes like this "League isn't a team game section." Objectively League is a team game where you focus on improving individually. You are a bad teammate if you ignore their retreat pings and die because you want to limit test. Or if I play mid and see we have no CC and lock in Zed yes I'm being a bad teammate. My team is being bad too but choosing to not fill an important need will make the game harder and part of individual improvement is flexibility for the team. The best League players balance both and that's how they end up going pro. Even streamers who talk big ego end up pathing toward or making sure to enable at least one other teammate. The 1v9 mindset is so toxic and leads to people throwing games purely off refusing to admit they aren't always the carry. There is a 10% chance of being the best player in the game every game. People have to realize this.
We're all tools -Coach Curtis 2023
I used to play a lot of taliyah from her release. The constant rebalancing of her over time has made me drop her in favor of maining syndra for the past few years (pre and post rework). I definitely felt like Taliyah's early power was clipped and felt like her late game wasn't that great since her damage stops increasing with EXP at level 13. Plus she struggles to hit backline; so I just decided "if I like control mages, why not play syndra?" you have good waveclear, much more reliable CC and an actual combat ultimate. For context, I'm only plat, but I find far more success being a lane bully and snowballing games without relying on a 180s cooldown mobility spell that requires you to be in bot tri to cut off the enemy lane opponents (red side).
that said thanks for the tidbit on taliyah, helps me understand why she feels so bad to me now.
Interesting I adore playing quinn top (used to play her mid) because of her ability to constantly create a man advantage; but naturally a 3s CD R is much different from Weaver's Wall.
Love the pod
that’s interesting. i never really played taliyah before the changes but i feel like she’s a super fun champion even though i don’t play her often.
i don’t really like mages at all (i exclusively play melee midlaners) but taliyah is one of the few ranged champions that i can have fun playing. i don’t actually know how to play her though (macro wise) i just like her kit since it feels more interactive than the average control mage kit.
anyway i can see why the constant changes would make you disillusioned about her. i do think she would be a lot more fun if they kept her lane bully identity instead of making her a roam machine. early game is definitely my least favorite part of playing taliyah.
@@eebbaa5560 Yeah I mainly just liked the earth mage aspect of her character. The abilities were kind of just a fun thing to leverage. I watched an old (season 7) replay of myself on taliyah and she did SO much more damage back then up front. It's really crazy to see how hard she has to work for burst now while her DPS isn't even high for an AP champion; it's not like she's an azir or something
On the approved champions subject, I just love a couple champs and want to rank up using them. Not too complicated I tryhard and have gotten over the fear of failure.
Yeah, I think the reason why legal legends feel so lonely is because there’s no voice comms
About the "soft inting category", I kind of agree that it's generally just tilt, but I can definetly think of some examples of this.. Maybe the most common being when your top laner wastes his flash in front of you, with no enemies nearby, because he's pissed at you. But then he continues playing normally after that. You could just say that's tilt, but for me, that's a clear example of "soft int". Inting being literally running it down, and "soft inting" being those little griefs.
1:15:30 The review was Quentin playing Zac with Camille, LB, Jhin, Soraka vs Ornn, Vi, Sylas, Draven, Senna. No damage to kill Ornn, maybe needed to build demonic on Zac. Draven E kept denying Zac engage though it was a rough draft.
Will the MLS help me at all if I’m a Xerath main trying to get back to gold+ ?
Loved the moment when you guys said maybe 1 inter in 25 games, while I literally finished a game where the adc (who was asked to play safe) said no, i am bored and proceeds to int. 😂
Quite serendipitous that today I was strongly considering dropping Ezreal as my OTP (lowest of the low elo) and you had this convo and the "dropping OTPs" theme lol. I had kind of come to similar conclusions myself but this really cemented the decision for me. My champ pool is getting bloated and ill defined, and I want to provide more utility (what I can) as adc so this is the perfect solution I think.
I am also at a point where I can enjoy playing other champs too, I always felt like I just played League to play Ezreal because he's so fun to play, but after grasping the fundamentals a little more (as much as I feel like Ezreal let me dodge them, pun not intended), I actually have fun with other adcs like Trist, Senna and Jhin (Smolder is really fun too).
What a good podcast number!
great episode as always! Volume needs a little raise but its not too quiet
Agree volume needs up!
ehh I think saying league is a very lonely/ solo-based game is a hot take. Ranked SoloQ sure, but if someone is looking for "meaningful interactions" in a team game, they could still play league, just stick to normals/flex/aram because you will find way more chill players there. I've been in a couple games where people are just talking about random irl shit in unranked queues.
You know I actually do get the Ahri being hard to learn the game through, yes mechnically its pretty streamlined, however after I played Malzahar once I realized I had a lot more mental stack freed up or Aurelion Sol was another huge one where I had a lot of mental baggage unleashed!
i’ve had players genuinely try in game and go 0-17 on my team…. .. I also have made enemies go 0-17 if they just don’t learn…
The issue with playing normal games is because matchmaking is completely broken. I'm a bronze player and I'm constantly playing against accounts that are/have been placed in platinum.
I know that I'm not capable of playing at that level right now, if I was then it wouldn't be an issue. It just doesn't feel like there's a place for me to play right now, normals doesn't feel like normals, it feels like old-school CoD pubstomps. Ranked feels like the only place where I can actually play with other people at my level
I really dont know how to feel except hopeless listening to these podcasts anymore. This game tears me to pieces and all ive ever learned from it is that even with maximum effort ill never amount to anything. I do it all already. I watch reviews i three block, i play my heart out, i have only 2 champions that i play, same rune page same items just to get consistency and it seems like nothing works. Its miserable. So hearing people say "oh its because you dont try and no existance is more miserable than not trying, having a terrible time day in day out" makes it hard to tune in every week anymore.
Man if you can afford to have a coach please do it in my case I can't since my country currency is pretty bad and to affotd Nathan or Curtis I would've to pay like x5 times the value they charge. Having a coach will give you direction which is something you need you're like a boat in the ocean without a lighthouse to guide you;
It’s easy to be emotional playing league. It sounds like it’s a passionate hobby to you. I find what can help is caring less about each game and just being a “machine” for improvement.
The more I adapt the machine mindset the less my teams or my own mistakes affect me.
I am also a fairly emotional player but unless you're also getting reviews with outside perspectives you're likely blind to what the issues in your gameplay are, for one the fact you said you always do the same items and runes is in my opinion an issue, because while I am not saying to have all kinds of crazy builds I am also not advocating for removing decision-making from your builds.
Also one side note, Ive never met a single player in iron or bronze who has played for more than a year or two that was there because purely gameplay related problems.
IT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING RELATED TO THE PLAYER'S MENTAL HEALTH OR RELATIONSHIP TO THE GAME. So if this sounds like you then the way to get yourself on the right path is not going to be found on the rift
It sounds like you may be internally expecting everything to go right/in a positive direction because you're doing the right things, but that's not how it works. Have long have you been doing these things? Months? Years? Do you truly believe in the process or are you going through the motions? Are you coming to peace with your blocks? Im not an expert but it doesn't sound like it. We all go through bad slumps even when we are doing the right things we get it, but you need to find your WHY when you play. That makes it way more bearable. Also, take a look at your out of game. Are you exercising? Getting good sleep? Eating well? Trust the procsss and keep chipping away, it's all about the journey!
Really, really spend time about WHY youre playing the game, that is the only way to put the pain in context.
Do you guys believe you can be a ranked mindset player playing normal games with friends. I have a rather large group of friends who exclusively play ranked and I will occasionally play a game or two with them, but I still run through my 3 blocks each day making sure to do my reviews and play with intensity. Sometimes, a couple of buddies will get on, and I will play a normal game with them. I still play these games with high intensity so as not to mess up my mind set, I know that this does slow down my climb, but does it actually hinder it? Could I be a ranked player who plays normal games? Thank you.
they’ve discussed this before essentially just try to limit the number of normal games you play and don’t play your main. keep your main champions for ranked and play other champions for normals. but in general don’t play normals too often if you can help it.
You answered it yourself already. Yes, it does slow down your climb, but how much is probably down to how much you play with them. Whether that's a cost you're willing to deal with is up to you.
I play a few games of Flex 5 Mans with a group of friends every other day. I don't play my main champ with them typically, but I do notice my game sense is hindered if I play with them too much and not enough Ranked (I skip 1 or 2 days of Ranked randomly through out the week and sometimes don't get a full 3 games in tho, so perhaps your mileage will be better than mine).
I still climb, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'd climb faster if I cut the games out with my friends entirely, but it's not something I'm willing to do right now.
47:40 I love it xd, edgy Curtis lets goo! Tell dem!!
Where can i find the list of ls approved champions
Pretty sure you need to sign up for the MLS to access it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of their job as coaches.
The Broken By PseudoScience Podcast!!
I know amasing game that doesn't have any of listed problems, it's Deep rock galactic! Rock and stone!
I dint think ranked is that lonely I just try to have fun with my supports and its genuinely increased my wr cuz they arent in bad mental xD
power of positivity baby 😎
Hey for The Broken by concpet boys and you guys, i think people play ranked for the skins and stuff. Not just cause they dont know its too serious for them.
I'm sorry, I know it's supposed to be a legitimate comparison to League but as a writer, listening to Coach Curtis attempt to describe Ender's Game was PAINFUL. xD
13:20 no reamplay advantage? what about duoq?
I believe he is referring to Masters+ solo queue here where you cannot duo queue.
I love BBC ❤
This episode really feels fueled by negative emotion and it's being vented in a really unhealthy way
This is so different from Valorant’s ranked experience at immortal, having comms makes it so your teammates joke sometimes and have fun suprisingly not that many arguements, suprisingly serious in good lobbies. Solo Queue League’s fun in conditional on your performance not even winning or losing. I think league could benifit greatly from voice comms truly, most people wont use them, but it just humanizes your teammates. So im just happy i played valorant instead because the same energy got me so much further. Voice comms in league would also add so much content for streamers as well. It also takes nothing away from the solo aspect , you can still 1v9 and communication is a skill itself that could be built upon.
Curtis and nathan are anti-social nerds who only play league. Their perspective is heavily biased and uninformed when it comes to voice chat and teamwork in online games.
Yeah plenty of games do competitive games much better, but these guys have shutter vision.@@brsn2991
@@brsn2991this so true the section when they discussed the lonely experience of solo q was soo strange
It’s easy to say that voice comms would be a great addition to the game if you have a socially acceptable voice, but I know plenty of women who would not feel comfortable joining voice chat due to extensive bad experiences with voice chat in other games coupled with the sexism they already experience in LoL if they have a feminine summoner name or play “egirl” champions. As great as it is to imagine that voice chat humanizes everyone, it often only ends up humanizing people with masculine voices while giving misogynists (which are more common than you might think) more ammo to use against people with feminine voices.
lol@@zeldafan9656
18:47 it’s so humbling to lose a game? Maybe in high elo where players actually know what they’re doing, but even in Diamond it seems like games are 90% decided by whatever player decides to feed
Nah man I had a 0-11 support lux in my game recently and I could still identify 5+ things I could've done differently and improved on to have a very decent shot of winning the game. And I've had games that look unloseable or unwinnable from a "feeder" take a 180 because ppl get complacent.
If you're not willing to interact with this part of the game, then a 1v1 game like AoE2 or SF6 might be more up your alley.
@@Freakattakerreal talk i lowkey dropped league for sf6 and it feels so much easier and so much more rewarding to play. even if you lose to self-perceived bullshit with enough reflection you can actually improve your own gameplay.
the fact that you only have to beat one person really simplifies the learning process and makes it feel like you’re actually making progress. on the other hand, league of legends can feel like a complete waste of time because 30-40 minutes of your life can be erased by one or two randoms who ruin your game, especially in low elo.
even if i feel like i’m improving as a player (which is often extremely difficult to notice) whether or not i get to the reap the rewards of improvement is completely arbitrary and based on factors outside of my control.
it’s easy to be like “yeah just focus on yourself and your own improvement” but there are two things wrong with this mentality. one, league of legends has so many aspects of its gameplay that are directly affected by other players on your team (i.e. you can’t play around your wincon on paper if they feed etc.) and there are just so many interconnected aspects that you have to keep track of at all times that it feels impossible to locate and isolate a specific skill to make the most out of your playtime.
all of these factors combined make league demoralizing even at the best of times. fighting games can be frustrating, but when i hit a wall, it usually doesn’t feel artificial. in comparison league can be a genuinely miserable experience. i truly enjoy the core gameplay of league, but i just don’t know how to approach the game anymore and i’ve kind of been stuck in this limbo between trying to commit to it and quitting altogether.
People exaggerate inting numbers to an insane extent. I've counted across the last 2 seasons, and in about 100 games each season, 2 were inted in the first season, and only 1 was inted for me this season (hilariously, it was my first game).
Finally we are linking League to War and not basketball or some other sport. Very pleased to hear this said.
That's actually incredibly disrespectful to people actually experiencing war
What are you talking about?@@kane4ik
winning doesnt feel good because there is no real reward for each match. need more champ customization that doesnt cost money, but that wont happen.
What you guys fail to realise; is very few people in "low elo" are playing to climb, they treat it as norms and play for fun especially around the placement/new account MMR. Playing to climb out of these MMR ranges is like playing with one hand. You could be levels and mountain of gold above your lane/jungle but at the same time you've got a bot lane duo who don't play those roles and are doing it for a laugh after having a few drinks and a auto filled sett top spamming sit ups under this tower. Yes this is an extreme but it's also what happened in my previous game; meanwhile I got a 2/6 zed in mid running around the map trying to force plays as he is panicing to save the game. Meanwhile i've killed the enemy brand jungle 4 times in his own jungle and taken him completely out the game but his team are winning because garen top has taken two towers and I can't contest drake as I have zero prio in lane due to the zed roaming and the auto filled bot lane.
This was one match yes but there are dozens of other games that i've ethier won or lost depending on which team has the most auto filled players/new players or simply guys running around with their dicks out.. Very few players care at this MMR and playing to climb here forces you to play with a handicap.
The truth is, the closer you are to the entry MMR range, the harder it is to get out of it. It's like a black hole forever sucking you down into its abyss.
This is coming from a guy who's had coaching; studied league for nearly 6 years and who's been playing since season 1 ( I still have the retail cd case on my shelf) Every season I grind my way out to the edge of the pit; only to get sucked back in during the soft reset.
Wtf no 69 related thumbnail 😢
They saving it for episode 690 , we'll find out later if so.
one tricking for like 50 games is a good way to learn new champs, rather thna constantly mixing and matching
50 is too much, you can play less than 10 in a row and get a good enough understanding of the champ. People need to focus most of their time getting better at league rather than 1 champ bc it's a crutch.
???? lol @@ranolol
I truly wish someone would make an episode with out of context quotes like Nathans " League is like doing crack" or Curtis' " We are all tools". I bet you could make like 15 minutes long episode of pure nonsense.
169th view for the 169th episode!
I dont think you guys understand what soft inting is
Yall kinda detached if you dont recognize soft inting lol.
Sup gang
Yo fellow broken by concept enjoyer
Curtis with that NIKE SKATEBOARDING hoodie, NICE
Is intentionally not helping your team soft-inting? They don't intentionally feed, yet they intentionally try to lose the game. Often accompanied by a, "Team doesn't deserve to win" in chat.
Commonly found in a sidelane or the jungle when a 5v4 fight in the base/around nexus is occurring.
"Team doesn't deserve to win" is a soft-inting because they are trying to lose the game. Not helping team tho is not an inting if they have a reasons for it. I'm a Kayle player, I don't want to interact with my team for 25 minutes, then come out of sidelane with 3 items lvl 16 and solo carry - that's how my champ works. Obviously, I end up interacting with my team anynways, but it is what it is.
Everyone can have their own point of view of playing League, no one can decide what is important or not when its come choosing what ppl need or want from game
I like to think of league like its a rts game like starcraft instead of a competitive team game.
It's a really complicated choose your own adventure DND RPG. Make the right decision and you might lose a party member, but have a greater shot at overcoming the main quest. Sometimes the dice won't roll your way, but most of the time failed dice rolls are an outcome influenced by poor decision making.
it’s like an rts game where your units won’t do what you need them to do at best and actively work against you at worst. like rng chess lol
The problem is that in SC2 every single decision is made by you and everything that happens is because of you. I like this a lot. However, in LoL almost everything is out of your control and all you do is trying to build a castle with shit your teammates done, especially when you play ad/sup/jg.
Maybe when other people say soft inting you would just call it plain inting/greifing. In my mind inting/greifing is when you go full disco nunu down mid where as soft inting can be following someone around to take their farm rather than getting a bunch of deaths so they can avoid getting banned.
what’s the point of categorizing it? none of these people get punished by riot anyway so who cares lol. tbh i’d rather someone just die mid 20 times in a row than “soft int” and waste more time. of course, disco nunu style inting is far more rare than soft inting which is a real problem that everyone simply chooses to ignore.
Well yes, my point being, someone playing bad or not knowing what to do is not soft inting. Like you said, making it an actual problem that is hard to punish. @@eebbaa5560
Love your podcast, been a fan for a few months now. Ya'll 100% need more decor though. your spot looks very sterile and plain. Spice it up more with shit ya'll like.
I don't need good teammates, I am the good teammate. I need my botlane to not go 1/9 and 0/7 on their own time. IN A LUKEWARM GAME.
I don’t actually agree with anything they said about the lonely experience in league because that ISN’T what anyone actually signed up for. League in the last couple of years has arguably been in its worst state. Not just in terms of balancing, but the overall toxic behaviour of the community has risen. Scripting, soft inting, win trading and straight up running it down has become common practice in HIGH ELO CHALLENGER, not just your low elos. I’ve heard and seen plenty of high elo streamers and content creators complain about this behaviour and yet Riot still does nothing to punish these people.
I think we can all admit that league has a unique problem with overall toxic behaviour in comparison to other competitive games because it’s just too easy and even incentivised by this “It’s me Vs everyone else mentality” and at the end of the day YOU might see your teammates as tools, but that’s pretty dehumanising imo. People play league not tools, and treating them as such will not in anyway shape or form contribute to better environment. We already know that psychologically, players will perform better in a healthy environment surrounded by players that aren’t just actively trying to get better at the game, but also trying to be better people. This doesn’t mean that I’m against any kind of competitive integrity, sweaty behaviour or grind mindsets. In the right frame of mind these can be very healthy aspects of a game, but the issue is that most league players DON’T have a healthy outlook on these things and like the Redditor said, it doesn’t feel good to win, or feel like you won at all, just that you survived another round of toxic shitty, nasty teammates. Wanting common decency and a more casual form of communication isn’t some idea of Utopia and I think suggesting that making the game a less lonely experience is somehow an attempt to achieve that is actually pretty toxic within itself because it completely misses the point.
The ping mute issue is essentially the peak of this individualist mindset that you’re promoting and so many people have complained about how that has ruined their games because they can’t communicate with them. Whether you guys like it or not, whether it’s good for your content or not, LOL is absolutely a team game, and a more well coordinated and bantering team will always beat the toxic, shitty, we are just individual tools to each-other teams and even if they don’t, they’ll most likely walk away from their block in happier and healthier headspace, contributing to way more growth in and outside of game then grinding until you hate yourself. Probably one of the very few topics I’ve completely disagreed with you guys on.
To achieve that you need voice comms, which will never happen.
League used to be the game with friendly/fun people before it became a successful esport, whereas DotA was the one with all the ragers.
Am I missing something here? 13.20 will be the biggest patch League has ever had in a while and we're talking about a total different subject? this doesn't make a lot of sense
Balance updates have never ever been a priority topic for this podcast
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i love your show but this ep is you 2 coping with the idea of putting a game at center of your life. bro it is not that deep you are just playing a game ment for having fun. the thing with about the leb mains tweet and you guys be like people are not focused about learning, no shit bro it is a game. or the part about war and shit. no offence but you are good at games nothing more, yeah some skillset can come to handy but it is still a game. i am also a gamer who told my self similar stuff till i had to stop cope. and the part about teammate being tool is crazy, i think you guys should meet more new people / talking to strangers this way of thinking is not good whatsoever. idk how you guys can justify a game with 0 commnication 0 way of making new friends and only thinking about improving, it is insanity. i like your other podcast tho this one was just insanity
Out of context they honestly do sound like psychopaths lmao. But you have to look at it from the lens of Ranked Solo Queue. The lens stops making sense outside of that context. Like yeah if you're playing ARAM or Custom Rift Norms then voice comms with banter and all chat shenanigans start to make more sense.
The team mate tool stuff is legit just a byproduct of aglorithm matchmaking. Things didn't use to be that way in an online gaming sphere with public servers in the 2000s with games like TF2 and HoN, but 2010s was the era of algorithm matchmaking that although created more balanced matches on average, killed the community and kinship that public servers fostered.
You can't really blame them for their view of Ranked Solo Q in that aspect since it's literally how the game works at this point. Communication and making friends is actually just better if you're playing a different game, or playing in a real in-house type of community like public servers.
you know what i kind of agree. i used to duo queue a lot and even though i held a lot of animosity towards my teammates i still mostly had fun because i was playing the game for fun with my duo. i played league to feel less lonely because i could do something that was fun with another human being that i could laugh with and enjoy talking to.
my main problem with league lately has been that i feel like all this mindset stuff discussed on the podcast isn’t resonating with me anymore and it doesn’t make me feel like i can improve. i just feel like something is wrong with me for having played so long and made no progress.
i’ve mostly stopped caring about my teammates period. i don’t see them as tools; i don’t see them as useful at all. they just feel like a burden now. i don’t care about them one way or the other but the fact that i’m in a game with 9 other people that feel like bots no matter what (especially when i mute all) is worse than lonely. i can’t think of another game that’s like this.
i want to get better at the game because i like it at its core but the cognitive and social aspects just wear me down and make me feel like i’m wasting my time. what was your experience like and what made you change your opinion? i also feel like i’ve been coping to make myself feel better about wasting all this time playing league without having achieved anything both in an out of game.
Most detached episode yet.
I feel like they are really out of touch and pretentious in this episode on the first part. Ive played multiple games at challenger level (ow, csgo) and in both of them theres a lot of teamwork, communication, voice comms, etc. You see the same people you have rivalries its a lot of fun. League has none of this.
I'm 21 mins into this, and this is the most out of touch I've ever heard both of you be.
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League a 5v5 game isnt a team game
That is the most goofy shit I've heard "good players" say. This take is like telling homeless people just get a job. If you dont think people arent improving with multiple characters at 65% plus but still stuck in silver gold em etc. You're delulu. The game dont reward improvements because-30 +15. You are better starting a new account playing with better people and you will climb. There is a reason so many fresh accounts are a thing. They are rewarded gold or even higher while not actually understanding the game. Just Win baby
League high elo NEEDS duo back. My brother and I consistently duo to master with 60+% wr's and then stop bc we only want to play together bc playing solo sucks and just isnt as fun. Also for content purposes it needs to come back league content is so stale no one wants to keep watching people go for rank 1 on korea no one gives a fuck