Oh there were plenty of reasons to restrict chat. I have a thing about reinstalling LOL about once a year and after 5 games I'll be like "Oh yeah, thats why I uninstalled this game last time".
it is an esport title, the biggest one. its just that western countries suck and they keep complaining. now they are complaining about lonliness in league smh @@cristiano1g
@@KTSINJBsiege is fine,it's just very team dependent,role fps games have these problems,like overwatch,it kinda demands too much teamwork for 5 randoms,league would be much easier with a voice chat
I had exactly this experience this last week... It feels lonely. Nobody says anything anymore. It feels I'm not playing an online game. I just can't play without a duo or 5 premade anymore.
I never play this game unless I have at least a 3 stack. With soul fighter, playing with Duo was also super fun for me. Now I mostly don't play cuz I cant jokingly bait ping my irl jungler friend when he fails a gank
Just started playing league. The lack of voice chat was so incredibly surprising and dissapointing. I came from fps games and am a very competitive player, but it's honestly so much more fun when you can talk and banter with your team. Toxicity, positivity, annoying 12 year olds and the dad with a kid talking in the background. I completely understand the fight against toxicity, hell i've been hearing about League toxicity as long as I've been playing videogames, but honestly it's worth it. Let the players mute who they need to, let us control our fates, and let me go through the pain and pleasure of trying to win with 4 random ppl I just met, then battling it out against them 5 mins later.
I honestly think if we did have voice chat in Solo Queues the toxicity would actually reduce. People tend to be way more agressive on the keyboard than on the microphone.
I came from Dota, where you get voice chat and a dozen other ways to communicate and be toxic like all chat voice lines and a whole freaking tipping system where you can tip someone basically blue essence in game and everyone see's it. And somehow Dota felt less toxic and a lot more like a community game than league
I recently started playing ranked again and I realized a lot of players are no longer reacting to missing pings, they are presumably fullmuted and dont react to anything.
Finally found someone who deliberately talks about this. I remember back in season 4-5 when I was try harding in plat-diamond, Every game felt like a family. As in I was playing with people who genuinely wanted the best for each other, to tackle the same goal. In a way, playing in that elo for me was an experience I couldn't have in my own house. I used to compare my family to Bronze players, utterly out of touch, toxic and mean while I had a very different experience towards strangers in LEAGUE OF LEGENDS of all games. This has changed drastically, playing in the same elo in season 8+ has been nightmarish. Lots of toxic children, people who lose their minds 20 seconds into the game. Riot has promoted the Ranked experience so much and so often that it has created one of the most toxic communities on the internet. I know we sometimes look at the past with rose tainted glasses, But it is true. It wasn't so bad back then. Not everyone was so sweaty. The world has changed and Riot only cares about making people addicted to Ranked so they can be regular customers and spend money.
There's no one to blame but Riot. They removed all the game modes that allow you to just have fun, the PVE modes like... The star guardian thingy. And then left the competitive side ONLY. So, of course, if you ONLY have competitive modes in your game, everyone will be competitive. In a competition, there's no family.
@@konaqua122 Absolutely it is Riots fault. Just to chase money, they tried to make everyone addicted junkies. I hate it when people try to blame this sort of thing on the people. No it is entirely Riots fault. There are nice games out there that have nice people in them, They are just not made by Riot Games. But I don't agree that there is no family in competition. I had those fond memories in Ranked games. It's just Riot let a bunch of Morally corrupt people design their newer match making systems and chased away the people who want to have a good time and replaced them with children and man children.
Started playing lol in season 5 was so fun, play drunk lol with some friend's got me into the game. i miss the old day when games where fun. Stop play this season i don't think ill play lol anymore, its sad i've been playing for many years. Competitive play has ruin games, it was fun when it lasted.
i have insane memories from randos in early seasons of the game, and remember the fun of it, i still like the game, but rn i just don't type anything at all bc i got banned for saying wassup guys once, and nobody says anything worthwhile, sometimes the worst is you type and nobody says anything back, for the whole game, feels like ur playing w bots
No , it's still league of toxic smurfs. Beeing toxic is not only " chatting aggressively ". you can be toxic to your mates by the way you play ; no need to talk. buy account , then play and be toxic , be banned , rinse and repeat. but i guess botfarms are worth ...
I think league of loneliness was created by both the game allowing curses/slurs etc and then also for the majority player base not using the mute button and allowing themselves to be drawn into the toxicity even more
I played until 2019, from what I’ve seen they’ve taken all these steps to stop people saying mean things to each other and done nearly nothing to stop people running it down intentionally every game things don’t go their way. stopping people from meaningfully communicating with pings isn’t the way to go. No one wants to say anything bc if they do and they say something that might be construed as toxic will get them reported.
lmao yes one time I wrote "i wont go ganking taric im not a fgt lol" as a joke and got instantly self muted. I just disabled chat after then. Riot clearly doesnt want team chit chat
@@Multiroester I mean, that's literally a slur so... no shit they're gonna chat restrict or system mute you for that? Are you okay lol. "Riot doesn't want team chit chat" you said a slur, huge difference.
@@Multiroester once i said sett was molesting me toplane because well....he was. Brother was getting kill after kill with 0 effort while im under turret. I was referring to myself and saying it as a half joke and instantly chat restricted. Nowadays you gotta learn which words are on Riots nono list because the context doesn't matter anymore, you'll just get penalized
I think one point that doesn't get brought up, when discussing the "tryharding" point, is that it was very likely exacerbated by Riot balancing the game to enforce a meta after years of saying creativity and fun were primary goals even in ranked. They had started that direction even before role queue was introduced but once that came in, all bets were off. I also don't think being competitive has to go hand in hand with stoic, unfun, everyone is the enemy, mentality. I don't know why that's somehow a conclusion that's being considered but even when I was grinding 1000+ ranked games every season I could laugh at myself if I messed up or joke around when someone fail flashes and whatnot. I imagine if I were to say "lmao i'm trolling" after messing up in this current state of league, I'd get a suspension now.
In CSGO at least, I had most fun on higher elo faceit. Idk good players were super chill a lot of the time. And if someone was toxic, rest of use just trashed on him and it was dealt with.
I remember DOTA 1 days. There wasn't even a meta or role. Just pick whoever you want and play. Sometimes, there's 2-1-2, sometimes, 1-1-3 and there was a point that there was 0-5-0. I didn't even know jungle/jungler existed until I get into league. Then, they introduced the meta. The best way to play the lanes. I don't like it before, don't like it now, will not like it ever. I remember getting flamed A LOT whenever I use my Tahm Kench Top (before all nerfs and before he was famous in top) and got flamed because he's a support champion. I trashed every top laner and then he became meta and no one flamed me anymore. Same reason when I use veigar bot. Got flamed because he's a mage and mage is mid lane. But then someone in worlds used Syndra bot and now bot mage are thing. It's annoying to be dictated of what to use just because it's meta but if you don't go with the meta, you lose
@@runek100 lol is same, its just that people in low elos are majority so ofc majority of people gonna expierence toxicity. Masters and above everyone is much more chill than in pisslow elos like diamond and below.
@@runek100 I Think it's more cause in low elo everyone is grinding to get to the top, once you get to the top you can be more chill and relax more i mean you made it to the top. low elo are the fighting grounds everyone is pushing people off the mountain trying to climb inch by inch.
I don't play league but not being able to communicate in a TEAM game is dumb. League's infamous toxic community making talking to your teammates a detrament sucks.
I try my best to make the game friendly. I don't think it's the anti toxicity stuff. The community is just so mean and mean spirited. I start every game off with a "good luck have fun" and I get told to shut up or kill myself more often than I have the sentiment reciprocated. Most of the time there is no response because so many players have been burned by the terrible people on the rift. Anytime a player thinks I'm a woman I am sexually harassed. It's too much.
Tell them this before the game "Im full muted in game so i cant read anything pls dont talk to me" but then dont mute yourself and see how they decend into anarchy bring popcorn, also pls dont try to be nice its stupid these are randos in the internet and for the love of god dont tell them you a girl in the internet as a general rule, especially bad idea in league these are teen dudes what were you expecting lol
@@gusp1456 in general you should try to be nice to everyone. And I don't tell them I'm calling. They make assumptions because I'm nice, especially if I'm playing, like, lux or ahri or other champions they associate with women. The community is just full of shitty people, it's not something that should be expected it's just something the game spent too long not deterring
@@AnarchoLoserist im not telling you be mean to them just dont show any "nice" behaivior be neutral its the best way to aproach everything not only in league but in life, being nice would probably get you in very bad situations outside of the usa, trust me im from lat america and yes you should expect toxic gamers because online gaming has always been toxic this is nothing new and to be honest it wont change because the nature of pvp it just brings up toxic behaivior
@@AnarchoLoserist Its the little things that give off someone being a woman, try to not use " ' ", use improper grammer, do not use caps lock at all and u should be good to go
I feel like what most ppl haven't mentioned and is a big part of it is the removal of the chat groups ( and afterwards clubs ) ; I still remember I used to frequently go into a few groups back in s5-s7 and would find people to play duoq with or even tournaments. The game felt a lot more social when those groups were around, and started dying with the implementation of clubs which were a lot more restrictive and when eventually those got remove everybody pretty much moved their whole group on discord and simply keep within their circles instead of trying to get into new ones. Nobody even adds anyone to their friend list anymore these days unless they want to flame or ask for a free boost. There's just no clear avenues to socialize within the game unless you're already with pre established groups of people from outside. Oh also duoq removal from high elo isn't helping either, there's no reason for most high elo players to socialize with others because you can't play together and that carries over to content creators which are in the same boat, than the average viewer sees the lack of socialization and may think that's the way it's meant to be so they don't even try to reach out to random people and socialize - vicious circle.
The toxicity stems from the gameplay. There's too much emphasis on competition, and in a game that has such oppressive champs, snowball, and deaths that can happen in a single second. It's overall a frustrating experience when losing. Hence, people taking that frustration out on other players. Fun games don't have issues like this. Riot has done this to the game themselves by forcing esports, high end gameplay balance. What's fun to watch, isn't necessarily fun to play. And the way they're going about punishing people is just going to make things worse.
I honestly think if we did have voice chat in Solo Queues the toxicity would actually reduce. People tend to be way more agressive on the keyboard than on the microphone.
I would've agreed, like 7 years ago. But the game itself is what promotes the toxicity now, and it's too far gone for voice chat to help. Things like snowball, and overall player frustration needs to be reduced, then voice chat would be a good addition. Right now, there are too many players that would just use it in a toxic manner.
I tried Valorant, yeah its pretty toxic sometimes but nowhere compared to league. I agree that the toxicity level and what was acceptable has snowballed out of control, after years of having this, it won’t solve itself overnight.
@@truckywuckyuwu Nah being able to communicate would make a huge difference, people already mute all. I'd rather have an efficient way of communication that is toxic than an inefficient one that is still toxic. Sad thing is that even when you shotcall and try to play for your teammates as well, you are likely to waste ur time bcs you don't even know if ur muted by them until you take a baron call and they're supposed to TP and you realise they'll just afk on sidelane autopiloting the game while you're trying to win and end up getting wiped and losing(this literally happend in D2 btw)
If I could quickly and concisely say to my jungler "Don't gank my cooldowns are off" I think they'd listen more than just hearing 6 danger pings put on top of them. Pings do not communicate context and proper comms reduce miscommunication which is where a lot of anger comes from.
In the mid 90's Doom tournaments, no one would talk just focus on winning. John Romero and a few others started talking trash and by the next year, everyone was bantering and talking trash. It looks like we are going back in time now.
Old games had chat channels integrated in the games where you would form groups and meet likeminded people and while there was always shit people, I think it introduced a sense of familiarity and comradery that over time actually reduces toxicity. Modern games you can't even chat in game without someone swearing at you. MMO's are a great example - literally all of the successful ones were successful because of their social aspect. (Runescape, WoW, FF) Over the years I've tried to make friends with people in League with the idea of discussing the game with them and growing/getting better together, which is something I had extensive experience with when it came to Warcraft 3 over a decade ago, but they will almost always rage or be too frustrated after the game to talk about it genuinely. In the past, I made friends, I found a practice partner who was better than me and practiced against them over and over until I was better, then I found someone else who was better and did the same thing, then the next person I found who I did this with, was a top USA player and we would not only practice together, but we would discuss every single game we played with each other, no matter how minute the points were. This was a key aspect to enjoying a competitive game, learning and growth and I made life-long friends from it. League does not have access to this - people say oh just use reddit or discord, but the accessibility is not the same AT ALL. Riot's measures are wrong as well btw, because they don't treat soft inting/griefing as griefing at all. It goes ignored, it goes unmeasured, so of course, muting people will reduce what they deem as toxicity, but it's the people whorefuse to play as a team and tilt to the point of griefing that are the most frustrating to deal with. The game should be about respecting your enemy champions and your ally champions. This sentiment that it's a solo game is wrong to think and say because it influences everyone to not play with and around their own teammates, which leads to griefing and toxicity.
The current anti-toxic mechanics do not prevent you from typing.... Unless youre an asshole about it. Learn to speak with empathy instead of toxicity. Its all just a change of frame of mind; but the toxic people keep trying to insist toxicity is somehow helpful or useful to the game and it isnt. This all comes down to "I want to be allowed to keep being toxic." and No. Cuz that ruins the game for the vast majority of other players. Hence why it SHOULD be punished and the people punished should make a choice- GTFO, or learn to speak with respect. :)
The problem is that a lot of people use the internet to vent their frustrations of whatever they deal with in their real life, and now that it can get you banned, they just don't talk at all since they no longer have a reason to do so.
The problem is the large abundance as well as encouragement from streamers to buy/make smurfs. People pay as little at five dollars for a ranked ready account and with it, hold little value to the account. Since they dont care too much about the account, they are free to be toxic, leave games, int, greif games and if it does get banned (which they arguably rarely do) they just buy another one for 5 bucks.
Removing pings was a MAJOR L from Riot. Unnecessarily punishes players who use pings effectively. Pinging ULT is SOOOOOO important, same with pinging level when tracking JG. Why do this when players could mute pings from toxic players already??
It would come off negatively but I actually am fine with this, many times trying to crack jokes in rank just to break the silence and the tension of raising the rank, there were games where both teams are fighting to win yet are able to humor their mistakes and genuinely have fun, it happens. But when you have teammates that will dogpile on you even on the slightest mistake, expecting perfection in low elo no less. Its better everyone be quiet. Why allow the freedom of communication if all you will ever do is hurl insults.
The problem - those small mistakes also happen in high elo. I am master+ and some people still have 0/12 Stats. I dont know why. How they even got there in the first place ^^
I like when games limit communications. People cant behave or control themselves in video games. I usually mute everybody in competitive games/shooters. Makes it a lot more enjoyable when i wanna play a strat/FPS games; but don't wanna deal with children and men who never grew up in their adult life.
The problem lies with the players as well, when someone tries to be toxic they dont just mute them, they keep on sponging it which makes them feel bad, easiest way is to just mute, the current removal of pinging vital abilities and timers has just ruined team coordination in general
There's an automated system that sends the logs to reviewers and the reviewers confirm the bans. But there are so many reports that the reviewers don't even read the logs and just go "yeah, banned".
Honestly when the auto chat mute system came out I kept just saying things to get me auto muted for almost 3 months.... never got temp banned just chat banned. Muting people without any reason with a bot is killing the social aspect of the game. Like if I make a dumb play I think its funny when my teammates call me out on it. Toxicity can be useful, even helpful in some aspects of any game.
As a newer player ( I started 2 years ago) I agree it definitely can be a bit of a lonely experience; very few messages when gaming, outside of playing with friends On the other hand, can you blame them? You might get 1/2/3 games when you my play poorly or someone else plays poorly, and some manchild proceeds to launch vitriol they wouldn't dare say in person. Personally idgaf, I'll return it right back, but some people just don't want to deal with that and they shouldn't have to. Unfortunately it's that rough situation where Riot doesn't want to be seen as toxic, so they'll make these changes despite it being a small % of players, ruining it for everyone. Having said that in my own anecdotal experience; % is not small, it's a good chunk of players.
tbf as a new player (3 years ago) myself i think the toxicity is justified, for me at least this game is so dependent on everyone having a brain, imo u deserve to get spam pinged and sht talked if you perform really poorly in ranked, casual is completely different
@@datboi3162 for ranked, I can understand, especially when they can cause you to be demoted or stop promotion. I'd largely be inclined not to argue this point if it's only in ranked given that's supposed to be the competitive space. Issue is you get it a lot in casual, too. Also, it can be so situational or you're targeting the wrong person. E.g Top is getting flamed despite the fact that he got counter picked hard and doesn't want to get frozen out the game, has been asking for ganks ( none came) and is now 1/3 and getting flamed. I don't think that's fair. Poor guy is getting flamed for being 1/3 or 1/4, and jungle is 0/0/0 and is basically just farming and has no presence on the map.
@@chuksajeh1813 I know it's hypothetical, but the scenario where solo laners are down 1/3 or 1/4 is near always their own fault for making extremely poor laning choices and have already proved themselves not worthy of the jungler's time investment, and after that point are simply at the mercy of teammates unless they are able to get back into the game on their own. Sounds harsh, but that's how things operate in the game most of the time. Also, generally speaking at least, you'd rather have a 0/0/0 jungler who farms and can skirmish later for objectives instead of clearing his jungle later, because your team has better odds of scoring shutdown on fed enemy member in multi-man teamfights when laning phase is over. There isn't just one way to get back into the game with ridiculous comeback and anti-snowball mechanics Riot introduced in later seasons, can't help but wonder what newer players' impression would be of the early seasons when there were only gold per ten items and turtling under tower when jungler didn't want to gank. 😂
I'm the type of player who mutes everyone at the start of the game. Enemies and teammates alike. It just makes the experience better for me as a whole.
@@ihrstan I agree in principle, but in practice I've found that people only type in chat when they're already angry that something went wrong. At that point any chance for coordination is out the window. That's just my personal experience of course.
Honestly this is exactly what happens in 99.999% of cases, I don't personally mute, but I don't use the communication tools either, except for pings, and even then, one slightly misplaced ping can and will be taken as toxic @@ChandlerKeithFlow
@@ihrstan Depending on the level, most of the time is easy to understand what my teammate is suggesting with the pings alone. I mean, i don't need a whole message to know they want to go baron or that maybe the jg will gank me.
Agreed it makes me concentrate more. Plus having my own music in background is much better. Been doing that since 2013. Even got reported a few times for not saying a word in chat. Honestly i'll say good on riot for making the game "lonely". I don't miss the days of calling out troling teamates in chat for running down mid and feeding critical hit rengar and then getting reported for it by the feeder and his friends. Good riddance to chat.
im glad that it is more quiet tbh. There are still some ppl there but not a lot of the flaming which is veeeery good imo. Definitely keeps my interest in playing another ranked after a game tbh
agree feel like game would be so much better in teamwork way. and when the game is lost maybe people will start to be toxic but also in generall less toxicity
Based on what evidence can you show that voice chat would reduce toxicity? If anything it would provide an outlet for people to be toxic without the ability to be punished.
Every person I know has been chat restricted for nothing. I mean I got chat banned for a week for saying “save your r for me pls” and “gg.” I have stopped communication in game since then I mute everything and don’t ping anything so I don’t get banned
I think the removal of pinging your teammate were a super bad thing. I used it a lot for good things, example pinging others ult cooldowns to communicate to wait for the engage and so on. Now i ha e to write and 50% of the time they have mited me. Yeah sure it could be annoying if someone got mad and started to spam ping, but if someone abused it for bad things. You can always muted. So im super sad with the ping changes. And as well it worked as a good thing, if someone made a banger play. You could spam ping them to show your graditude.
crazzy how i was thinkin about this, i was typing in game and no one else would respond, it was kinda sad cuz it happened 3 games in a row... I felt like my teammates werent even fully focused on the game. Randomly just going afk for a bit or jus making horrible plays out of no where leaving me confused... but when I do get games where my team is proactive and playing like a team those are the best. Not every game is bad but majority of them are not gonna lie.
I think that the main problem, the thing that makes the game the most toxic, is the entire ranked experience right now. The LP gains and losses, the matchmaking, the difference between MMR and rank. I mean, you can get to a point where you need a 60% win rate just to stay even. Meaning a person with just a few hours a day can play 3 games, win 2 lose 1 and oops they're out of time for the day and they're exactly where they started. Ranked is either win the game or risk wasting, not just the 30-40 minutes of your day, but up to 2-2.5 hours of time to stay exactly where you started. Not to mention lately they're just regularly placing bronze players on gold games, players 2 tiers above where they should be. And then especially with the chat restrictions now, it just spills over to normals.
100%, matchmaking is completely out of order lately, i get ranked games sometimes with players from bronze all the way up to plat, or some lvl 30ish unrankeds playing their first rankeds etc, the skill diaparities are huge, doesnt make the game fun at all, seem like every match fate for me (either lose or win) is been decided from matchmaking and there is not much we can do to impact it
Norms and aram can be toxic but its more funny banter because most dont care, but ranked is by far the most toxic gamemode in any videogame I have ever played. Everybody is super chatty and toxic all game long and just keep getting away with it, I used to be super toxic up until last year when I decided to stop typing unless needed and just let games go when lost as trying to chat to a bunch of people wont fix the losing game anyways, if I lose than I lose ofc there games that are ruined by toxic players, smurfs and just stupid people but I spent years being super toxic and ive just given up on acting that way as ive gotten older, the playerbase will just never grow up.
@@BruKnows46 You do realize that MMR and the division youre in are two completely different things right? Matchmaking isnt based off what division youre in. You can be diamond 4 and only have Emerald 2 MMR.
I am surprised people are still so moved by toxic teammates and/or are so willing to be toxic. I could answer a toxic player with an abstact questions with no real need for the answer and always report them after the game. Like who cares if teammates are toxic? Chill and play your game. I am literally immune to LoL toxicity by that point, stunned there are still people who are not.
I think one of the reasons no one talks anymore is because you get chat restriction for anything negative without looking at the context. Calling someone that is running down the game and going 0-20 an idiot or telling someone to go kill himselfs after a bad play are 2 different things
yesterday i got 15 days chat restriction +5 games ranked restriction + my honor level set back to 0 for playingfully saying in all chat to the enemy jungler "Get out of my jungle, you monkey".... He was playing Wukong...
if anything, the game was less toxic back in 2010 / 11. might be due to people not being as sweaty but everyone was always talkative and you actually met new people to play with
This is DEFINITELY not true. People used to run it down ALL the time. Players ragequitting was much more frequent. Much, much less of that going on. You'd have people flaming each other in every game. Now a lot of people have accounts with hundreds to thousands of dollars sunk in skins and tons of time spent on unlocking things so they're way more hesitant to get banned. Not so in the early days when you couldn't get tons of free skins from chests with playtime. Players were suuuuuper toxic. I think you're just misremembering.
I got a warning once for literally only saying ''?'' when someone on my team said to report me for feeding, when I only had a bad game. LoL anti-toxic system sucks.
It's wild how you only feel the presence of people in league when you are playing with people you already know in a voice call, and if you're not then its a vast nothingness. Some of my worst times in this game came from when I didn't have friends who played the game regularly
league is a team game where you're as much pitted against your own team as you are the opposing team without embracing actual social elements to foster community, for people to form teams and chat and go over strategies, solo queue will keep on living up to its name back in the day games had full chat functions, clans, and people would happily build third party forums and such to communicate. we have discord, sure, but it's bloated, intimidating, and finding like-minded people can be really difficult
I recently come back to league after a two-year break without looking into all of the changes and after a few game, immediately noticed the game just seemed way more... quite. Certainly, felt lonelier than it used to. Sometimes I play games of Solo queue now and wont have a single interaction with my teammates. Not sure how I feel about it. It also seems like a few of my ARAM games have had silence too. (Yes, chat is enabled. Sometimes team/all talk back)
This is so true...! I'm actually someone who used to like a good ol' banter. I would usually start the game with : Lets go Re*****! Just so I could stir something up... Used to be so fun, playing League with a couple drinks and having someone tilt... It actually took me three 14 day bans in a row to understand when they took the new detection system out and man was the game lonely... When you hate your job and League gave you something to laugh after a rough day, it was so satisfying...
The problem here is the fact that people still can just run down a game just because there is no consecuence for that. I don´t care if someone is chat toxic, I just mute that player asap and be done. But I can´t do anything if some one decides to just lose at minute 10 of the game and I´ve had that happend in 9 out of 10 games in a row at certain times because riot does literaly nothing about it.
I play ranked for the majority of my games cause I’m competitive(a try hard). It feels that over my years of playing the game has gone form people every game saying GLHF, to silence or just to toxicity. You say anything even owning up to your mistakes and people just take that as an opportunity to batter you or anyone else who agrees with your statement. I think part of it is the inability to tell tone across text. I’m not the best with words so sometimes I come across the wrong way. But it hasn’t been all bad but a steady decline for sure.
I honestly don’t really mind all the changes, it feels like most of the time, my teammates spent more time fighting each other instead of the enemy team. More times flamming each other and tilting each other off. You can’t say anything to anyone in league cause they will tilt instantly or feel the need to make a snarky reply. Not to mention they’ll just wait for each other to make more mistake and flame each other back for revenge. League is a lot more enjoyable and peaceful when you play it on mute. My teammates could be having ww3 in the chat and I would have no idea lmao.
I remember the old times, where I started chatting with an enemy in game, we lost, but we kept talking in the post game lobby for hours in the night from popculture to national habits and whatnot. This was before the EU server split, when there was no EUW and EUNE, only EU. Fun and friendlier times, league wasn't so restricted "metagaming"-wise, there were so many new things left to discover and people chatted more in game. You even had to type "ss" or "mia" if enemy was missing lol.
i dont know. i still type ss and i still type with enemys after the game if i had a fun encounter. Maybe you just changed? Guess what i am trying to say is that there isnt rly anything stopping you from still doing that.
@@mantie7 I'm still talking a lot, but for ss now there's the missing player ping. And after game everyone just leaves instantly, especially since riot muted chat as standard after games, and you have to reenable it every time if you want to see anyone type.
VeigarV2 made a good video on it. Me personally i queue for a game on EUW grandmaster solo q rank and low and behold my jungler is fullmuted and supp is full muted cannot see pings or chat do not respond to wards or any back pings and adc is completely mental boom after 1 or 2 deaths potentially running mid or another place and starting to grief. Some days thats every game or every 2nd/few games basically but it makes playing an objective based moba into potentially unplayable experience.
I think that league's toxicity comes from a horrible rank system if the ranked system awarded/punsihed each player for their individual perfornance 90% of the people would actually focus on playing good themselfs and not flaming their teammates this ranked system is outdated and only works in games where it's you (alone) against someome else
@@TheGerrok easily be done with just stats tbh. kills, assist, deaths/ objectives, cs, tower damage ward points etc.. and have a smart system that can consider the player's role in checking this stats and ruled out a points it would give to them. for example as a support obviously you wont prio on getting kills themselves so the points you get is determine on the impact you contribute for the kills your team get with your help. it would be more complicated yeah if they want to be precise because that would also consider the type of support you're using enchanter, tank etc but with any groups of competent developers that is not hard tbh and riot seems doesn't have of those.
@@akkir6707 Any equation you do will be quickly figured out and exploited. You'll end up with a game full of degenerate things like AP MF support because they can stat pad easy, while punishing things like engage supports who bear the brunt if things are less than ideal. Any system that has a player make a decision between "what's good for my team" and "what's good for my rank" is going to suck.
@@TheGerrok well obviously they would need to balance it out just like they do with this MMR system that is alsoo always broken btw people have positive wr and still lose more lp then what they gain
@@TheGerrok KDA, Tower damage, objective damage, difference in gold vs your enemy laner, your teammates, damage dealt. Vision score, Whether or not you won. Just to name a few. Your performance vs other people in the same role/champ. They already grade your performance, they could just expand upon that, and give people more or less LP depending on how they do.
Man, I'm glad that it's just the toxic chat that everyone's worried about. My worries are if the midlane will just do a full sprint and go 0/20 in 7 minutes, having an actual bot play support, jungle afk'ing because they went into the enemy jungle and died or toplane and bot deciding they don't want to do that lane and start a 3v2 bot or 2v1 top. This happened 5 *ranked* games in a row after I took a break for 6 months. This was in diamond. I don't think I'm going back.
It would be nice to bring back the PVE modes and the old team ranked games where you where you could pick champions that you're willing to play and roles, they could mix that with the current clash
I mean riot is almost at their goal to make the game single player. It's not lonely it's just less of a headache for riot when players don't interact. Also league hasn't had a new player since 2018 idk why anybody would focus on that problem
It doesn't feel like a social game at all and that's mainly due to the nature of the game. They make it easier to be silent or roxic than to say something nice or commend people. If they had voice comms then you can be critical yet encouraging you could discuss plays or take feedback. But to type all that out is too much for sucha complex game.
Nah it's mainly due to people. Ive met some of my closest friends on league l. People are accountable for their behaviour. A competitive game is not a reason to act like a manchild.
but if you can work togheter people will be less toxic do i think vc will help. Also riot should also reward positivity in games instead of only punising bad behaviour. honour system is a joke.@@1982pokemon
Honestly the only way I can stand to play LoL anymore is by full muting, and that's with me only playing ARAM these days. It's a combination of not wanting to read what people write, and not trusting myself not to respond and risk having my account banned that I've had since launch.
You are correct, been playing ranked since season two and just more recently things have gotten worse, had a whole one year break to chill out a little but it is way too easy to get suspensions nowadays. Unfortunately leagues "woke-ness" collapses on itself.
I’ve met some pretty cool people in ARAM. While there are some toxic ARAM players, for the most part I feel like having to fight 5v5 as a team IS social and leads to a more positive, team oriented environment.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say that the majority of ppl who complain they are 'lonely' are the toxic ones who want to cuss ppl out but don't get the satisfaction.
I definitely play with the "Premade Only" chat setting. In the few times I did turn chat back on, it is disproportionately used for communication that doesn't aid gameplay. Now I just play for myself for the most part.
I tried going back last March to League. I peaked D2 so I still have retained those skills, but leveling up a new account is painful since I can't avoid playing against Master players and above. It sucks so much when you get curbstomped by a better player than you are in NORMAL games and people will trashtalk you for losing. Sorry mate, but I ain't winning against a GM midlaner.
The 3 biggest issues i see with league are the following 1. Snowballing is too much, which causes ppl to mental boom extraordinarily easily, personally at this point i would just nerf kill gold entirely 2. Chat feels like walking on eggshells, like no joke ive been punished for something that wasn't even toxic, it was just a term i didnt understand and it got me punished with a chat restriction 3. Champ kits have become too overloaded, yes this is in fact a massive problem, i shouldnt have to read a bible to understand what an adcs passive does, it causes ppl to have to rememeber far too many mechanics and makes the game overall just unfun
Having Fun Game modes all the time so ppl can have fun and lessen toxicity Nah New Skins and only money Grabing lmao instead of making the game more fun and Bring ppl mote together they just want money lmao
League is a very good game, but the reason me and all my friends gave up on it was the toxicity. Admittedly we're not kids anymore, so we have less time and less patience to handle the grief, but that's our experience. Why would we want to play, or be social, with angry people, trolls, and salty tryhards? Even in ARAM or URF we've seen people flip their lid and have a meltdown over the slightest misplay. It's boring. For added context, our skill levels range from silver through to diamond (low gold here) but each of us in the different leagues or tiers all had the same complaints.
The problem with riot stopping toxicity is they are more concern with what people say and not the actual toxic people who purposely ruin games and inting intetionally
Exactly not allowing the normal banter that goes back and forth in games is boring as hell. Imagine if cod or cs started doing this. Games would be silent as hell and they would start to fall off. Competition and toxicity is what makes it fun. The best boxing/MMA matches are grudge matches. Removing all the elements of what makes the game fun is what killed league for me. I want people to call me out when I mess up. Maybe it's just me idk but it's a video game not a personal attack on someone. If I tell someone in cs2 they fucking suck for losing a round that we could have won no big deal. If the call me out for only getting 4 frags in a match when everyone else is 20 bombing then I deserve it. Same thing should happen in league.
started playing a bit of csgo since the update. i feel like voicechat would help against the lonely feeling. in cs making callouts and working together is Extremly rewarding. But sometimes when it goes wrong it starts to get more like insults. But in lol you cant communicate well so the only time u can type is when your dead so the only time u type is when it is negative. only positive massegases i have typed where wp or gj. after a succesfull play. Sorry bad english
As someone that quite literally quit the game, for the first time, in 11 years of playing, BECAUSE of the changes Riot has been making recently. League of Loneliness as you call it, definitely exists. I started playing the game early 2012, got into it because of friends, loved the game, started out in Bronze 5, climbed my way up to Platinum in a few years. Since 2019 I've been consistently high Diamond with occasionally hitting Masters in both ADC and Mid Lane. The changes that Riot has been making with the communications is terrible, removal of DuoQ, being unable to ping teammates, people forcefully muting everyone else and removing ability to play as a team. The lack of Balance updates in the last year almost, introduction of Mythic items which caused itemisation to stagnate, and that's just to name a few of the issues that I have with the game. I used to love playing League. It was my escape from school, I could hang out with friends, meet new people, find long lasting friendships. Some of my best friends IRL I found through League in one way or another. Now, I simply can't play with them since I've hit an Elo where Riot doesn't let me play with friends and Normals being filled with people that int for fun to get lower MMR or toxic pieces of shit that try to tilt you for no reason what so ever. I get punished for being good at a video game, then I get punished for trying to play with friends, and now I'm getting punished even more with the removal of the sparse communication options that people still use. Simply because, they can't seem to figure out how to solve the toxicity issue that stems from a Competitive game. It's disheartening to see the game that I love steadily lose it's identity in favour of brand deals, tournaments, shitty monetisation practices and Developers that simply removes every possible avenue of communications just to avoid people being toxic. The simple fix that Riot just doesn't want to admit is just. Let people be toxic, and ban them for it. Don't punish the majority of people because you get spam pinged when you go 3/10 on Karthus in your NA Masters game and lose your mind because of your shitty performance. Grow up, majority of people that play the game are adults. If you can't handle your champion name showing up multiple times in a video game chat and you're so disturbed by that fact that you're unable to use of the features that your own fucking company created and mute their pings. Maybe video games are not for you.
League is fun if you don't take it seriously. I played three games last night. My first games in months. I had one inter and one person ban my champ in select. 2 out of 3 games just aren't fun. People ruin the game. I have played on /mute all for years. It's necessary. The way to make league fun is to remove the other people, or pretend the other people aren't people at all.
Games it takes on average to be banned while inting every single match: 13-16 Games it takes for me to be banned because i said the word "retarded": 1 Literally 1 game. Instant ban. Riot is so concerned about the stupid chat and puts zero effort into banning the people who ACTUALLY ruin players experience. This week I played with 2 bots, and had multiple unranked people with 1-3 games (all defeats) played only in my gold1 / plat 4 matches.
You're looking at this backwards. They need to do more to reduce toxicity so we can chat without being flamed, not let people flame more so we can communicate more
@@eazyz2267 oh shit we have a very secure person here, mid rank udyr main upset they can't yell at teammates cries about it on the internet and brags about green border, definitely touches grass and women often
@@FnHeroes What makes you think I'm an udyr main? I'm not LOL and I asked you for your rank and you never responded. How about you say your personal rank and we 1v1 ?
I'm on 3 consecutive chat restricts for typing 'gapped' a couple times a game I understand it's hard to find that golden line between toxicity and the ability to communicate freely but they definitely overstepped. It's a combination of riot's horrible chat restriction system and league players reporting 14 people a game because they're upset every game ruining the report system in general
yesterday i got 15 days chat restriction +5 games ranked restriction + my honor level set back to 0 for saying in all chat to the enemy jungler "Get out of my jungle monkey".... He was playing Wukong...
Lmao, in Dota, where bickering is normal, you wont even get punished if you dont use slurs or even mass reported. Unless you are griefing together with toxic communication of course.
to be honest, best way to counter muting is to give ability to a player to filter speech/pings or to allow it for themselves. I play Dota 2, and some players are premuted (muted before game even starts), i can unmute them if i want or i can keep them on mute. In my game settings i can turn on chat filter or turn it off... Me? i give everyone a chance and unmute at the start of the game, if they are boring or too toxic i mute them again. I turned of chat filter as i really do not get offended by words. In the end I understand that everyone can have a bad day and be a bit nervous. I had many of those days. to get rid of toxicity best was is to simple ignore toxic people. Forced muting will not help as they will continue to be toxic as soon as they have the chance. the moment they see that you do not react to them, even though you can see their chat/pings is the moment when they will realize that their toxicity means absolutely nothing... P.S. all that being said - I REALLY do not have anything against good quality trash talk/banter.
Toxicity is nothing compared to smurfing problems in league, I'm a new player (started 2 months ago) my experience so far is - even in normals people tryhard, in ranked i often get matched against smurfs, even in normals there are smurfs who just go 20 1 or 30 1 and the funny thing is even if you report the specific account to RITO support they dont instantly ban it, they say we will take actions. I''ve never seen these levels of smurfs in any game. Dota2 is much better in handling smurfing
@@vuxm4756 well, you can search, how aram became a thing, dominion, 3v3, gamemodes, teemo hide and seek, mundo mini games and doom bots. Losing was fun. I hope new players can experience those things as well, although those are things of an ancient league.
I feel like its just the que system in general thats a problem. This is also different between regions and total player base of each server BUT in the majority of my games recently if Im on mny silver 1 acct no matter what que I am on I will have at least 1 emerald/plat duoed with a bronze/silver player. So what ends up happeneing a lot is that one high rank player starts talking shit or calling out other people while ignoring the fact their friend is at 20cs 20 mins into the game and is 0 n 8. The seemingly unfair ques greatly increase a persons attitude towards their team. Then we have the differences in the idea of what is "FUN". To some fun is random builds and running it down to others its trying to get better and others jsut want a game that seems like people are trying and thats fun. When it seems like someone is actively trying to hinder your experience berceuse of these different ides it kinda pisses you off. When i was playing in LAN server I was leveling my acct so i could play in ranked (i live on the border and have better ping in lan). I believe I wwas level 10 and we had unranked all the way up to challenger players in teh same game. Needless to say challenger player bodied everyone and my team had given up about 10 mins in. I think that players should be given a choice abut opting into or out of quicker que times in for better "quality" matches. but hey that would slow the entire game down so im not really sure how to fix anything. This also happens a shit ton in valorant in terms of the random skill differences in NORMAL ques
I knew it was over when people got so sensitive that when I tried to tell another player about an item build for a champ they replied "dont tell me what to do, reported". Then we lost, because that same player had 0 impact because his item build sucked.
totally agree, reminds of a friend in a community I'm in that sucks at the game cause he doesn't listen, a reason why he is in peasant tier copper bronze cry babying all the time and im already in gold going on to higher elos. I just wish their still was some sort of communication in general cause none is just as bad, as long as you have that option to mute him thats it their at least can be a learning experience even though that player has less experience or skill then experienced players does. But then again it also depends on the person themselves if they want too.......
Let me guess one of those items: collector; rfc; "hybrid ap" but having close to 0 ap; night harvester; freeze active one; crown; Botrk or Kraken as "anti tank" yet still no ar pen; "on hit" but it's all ad and they never believe armor pen can ever exist in their life; FoN as "anti AP"; GA as anti engage; Death dance as anti burst; Other sp items while your team desperately needing Locket or Moonstone+Redemption. I could go on but these are popular in my book, I must've nailed some scenario already right?
@phuocminhluu2919 it's part of that but it's more of "I don't like active items cause I never use them and i forget" excuse when they really can make a difference, Lazy auto pilot mechanics, locked screen BS, and other peeps trying to help him how to get better only to hear cry baby degenerate "don't tell me what to do" but still sucks @$$ at the game. The point is if I can do it you can do it your just lazy get over it but...people can't change. It's peeps like these that should not play league
I feel like game chats in general are quiet these days. Societally, I feel like people are not inclined to strike up conversations with strangers between the ready availability to communicate with existing friends via phone/text and Covid social distancing putting a block of time in everyone’s life where folks just weren’t socially meeting new people generally. Coupled with the toxicity and rage filled interactions from attempting to participate and it becomes hard to justify even leaving chats open. I never played much league so i can’t speak to whether a unique thing is occurring there but most online team based stuff often does feel pretty isolated IMO
Disagree. League is doing a good job of it with these updates. Just because toxic people exist doesnt mean its my job to deal with them just because I want to have fun playing a game and ranked. If you met a toxic individual at work, itd be considered a "Hostile work environment" and you could quit and get unemployment due to it. -Just for some real-world examples. You are literally arguing that toxicity is something OTHER people have to deal with and quite frankly; we have LAWS to the contrary so.... I think its justified, considering how infested the toxicity has become.
@@shupichii9647 bro... the people will never change, they will stay toxic just arent able to show it anymore but also in my opinion toxicity is something that makes you better, if i get flamed i want to show them how good i can get and automatically play better thats just how i see it ig
Generally as jg main no point in typing or communicating with team or anyone else ,cuz teammates will use chat to flame and tilt enemy the same!! Maybe adding voice coms would be good and people would be less toxic ,and people would be able to explain things lot quicker without loosing tempo!!
My favorite part of league was always messing around with random people i queue up with, bantering with the enemy or even trying to get in their discords. Seeing reactions to off-meta picks and typing out plans to teammates. Nowadays you’re lucky to get some missing pings after making a game-winning play, and you dread seeing a teammate talk to you even in arams or normals.
I swear I started playing this game back in 2012. People in general used to be so nice to each other. I would have at least a couple of people a day adding me or vice versa so we could play together, then or later. People would appreciate if you were good and would speak to share experience, tips, etc.. Around 2016 this game became a ego fest where players are constantly waiting for you to f up somehow and start flaming the shit out of you. Back in the day, even if u lost a game, you could get some sort of reward in other ways none just simply winning. Now you lose and its just layers of frustration and nothing really good comes out of a loss. Its just depressive for a game that gave me so much joy at one point none can even comprehend.
The main problem is this actual word "toxic". Since this has been used to cathegorise a tipe of players (without adding a clear definition of it) you can be toxic by saying anything. I lost two account, one of them since beta for asking the support for wards, or for giving team instructions, not even in aggressive way. Tribunal was the main source of feedback for the machine learning stuff and now you can get banned based on that words and actions suggested by the former tribunal as toxic. Now i dont talk to others, straight to /deafen command.
i only play league occasionally in ARAM (fast one lane game and non stop clash, dont have to think about farming and other mechanics) or when there's URF. league has become so exhausting to me.
When I first gave the game a try it was so horrible. There were so many Smurfs, even in normals. Everyone assumes that you're also a smurf so you get flamed and pinged the whole time. It's such a miserable game to get into.
While tryharding has ALWAYS existed in league, it feels intense now in an uncomfortable way. I don't really know how to explain it, but I remember ages ago when I was playing league in season 4-5, shit talking and people calling others out for making mistakes in very rough ways existed, but it was usually overshadowed by people just... Having fun? Now when I play the game, even in normals, I feel like I am 1v9-ing usually. I make one mistake (and I do every now and then, I'm not a super good league player), I get spammed with pings and insults by my own team mates. And that's way more demotivating than anything the opponent can do to you cause hey... We're supposed to work together and cover each other. I only solo que now cause I usually have no choice. If I see my friends are on at the same time as me though, I try to get games with them as much as possible, cause its just better in terms of communication.
JUST ADD VOICE COMMS. Fixes every major communication issue and makes your teammates feel more like other real humans. You don’t see the same level of toxicity in valorant, or cs2
If it was not a problem to have chill conversations about non game related topics in pubs games….like I think tag would solve a lot like chatting about anime ….or the complex things known as microwaves when you’re getting absolutely obliterated or obliterating
The elephant in the room is that toxicity does not stem from a verbal engagement the vast majority of the time. For the most part it starts with a from a non verbal toxic performance. A LOT of players intentionally throw games and troll other players which leads to breed frustration and it's usually this frustration that leads to spill out towards other players who don't deserve any form of verbal toxicity. But the core issue that no one wants to address is how common it is to have the people on your own team are actively trying to ruin everyone else's time. it's not rocket science to acknowledge that this is the fundamental issue.
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its crazy how much riot tries to limit my communication in a game that requires very in depth team play
easier than establishing a fking working behaviorsystem
because league is not an e-sport title anymore. The pro scene is completely different from normal gameplay
Oh there were plenty of reasons to restrict chat. I have a thing about reinstalling LOL about once a year and after 5 games I'll be like "Oh yeah, thats why I uninstalled this game last time".
@@atlason86 you can legit turn off chat ?????XD why should everyone who wants to play with chat have to be restricted so much
it is an esport title, the biggest one. its just that western countries suck and they keep complaining. now they are complaining about lonliness in league smh @@cristiano1g
LoL is the definition of the stages of grief
And seige
Riot just needs to release a co-op PVE Story Mode or mini-games for casual players to have a fun experience.
@@KTSINJBsiege is fine,it's just very team dependent,role fps games have these problems,like overwatch,it kinda demands too much teamwork for 5 randoms,league would be much easier with a voice chat
I think it’s the embodiment of the 7 sins
and rage
I had exactly this experience this last week... It feels lonely. Nobody says anything anymore. It feels I'm not playing an online game. I just can't play without a duo or 5 premade anymore.
now you can just treat them as npc and do your own thing
@@eva1das103 which is not why I play an online game lmao
Eh, i still interact with people sbd get interactions
Ranked used to be a fairly chatty environment now it’s a wasteland
I never play this game unless I have at least a 3 stack. With soul fighter, playing with Duo was also super fun for me. Now I mostly don't play cuz I cant jokingly bait ping my irl jungler friend when he fails a gank
Just started playing league. The lack of voice chat was so incredibly surprising and dissapointing. I came from fps games and am a very competitive player, but it's honestly so much more fun when you can talk and banter with your team. Toxicity, positivity, annoying 12 year olds and the dad with a kid talking in the background. I completely understand the fight against toxicity, hell i've been hearing about League toxicity as long as I've been playing videogames, but honestly it's worth it. Let the players mute who they need to, let us control our fates, and let me go through the pain and pleasure of trying to win with 4 random ppl I just met, then battling it out against them 5 mins later.
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I honestly think if we did have voice chat in Solo Queues the toxicity would actually reduce. People tend to be way more agressive on the keyboard than on the microphone.
@@guilhermesavian5445you get very quickly reminded of the human on the other side of the screen when you talk to them like a normal human being
I came from Dota, where you get voice chat and a dozen other ways to communicate and be toxic like all chat voice lines and a whole freaking tipping system where you can tip someone basically blue essence in game and everyone see's it. And somehow Dota felt less toxic and a lot more like a community game than league
@@fastcow7013 The most toxic people in CSGO were always the people who didn't have mics. Always.
I miss old League. The worst part is that a lot of players start the game with already muting everyone so youre limited on what you can coordinate.
Be careful you can be reported for “bossing your teammates around”.
You’ve literally always been able to do that though, I’ve had chat disabled since I downloaded the game multiple years ago
he said old league, not "multiple years" ago league@@zachcate7102
@@ARainyDayArcher something that Faker, the best player in the world, does regularly. T1 felt lost without him
I recently started playing ranked again and I realized a lot of players are no longer reacting to missing pings, they are presumably fullmuted and dont react to anything.
Finally found someone who deliberately talks about this. I remember back in season 4-5 when I was try harding in plat-diamond, Every game felt like a family. As in I was playing with people who genuinely wanted the best for each other, to tackle the same goal. In a way, playing in that elo for me was an experience I couldn't have in my own house. I used to compare my family to Bronze players, utterly out of touch, toxic and mean while I had a very different experience towards strangers in LEAGUE OF LEGENDS of all games. This has changed drastically, playing in the same elo in season 8+ has been nightmarish. Lots of toxic children, people who lose their minds 20 seconds into the game. Riot has promoted the Ranked experience so much and so often that it has created one of the most toxic communities on the internet. I know we sometimes look at the past with rose tainted glasses, But it is true. It wasn't so bad back then. Not everyone was so sweaty. The world has changed and Riot only cares about making people addicted to Ranked so they can be regular customers and spend money.
There's no one to blame but Riot. They removed all the game modes that allow you to just have fun, the PVE modes like... The star guardian thingy. And then left the competitive side ONLY. So, of course, if you ONLY have competitive modes in your game, everyone will be competitive. In a competition, there's no family.
@@konaqua122 Absolutely it is Riots fault. Just to chase money, they tried to make everyone addicted junkies. I hate it when people try to blame this sort of thing on the people. No it is entirely Riots fault. There are nice games out there that have nice people in them, They are just not made by Riot Games. But I don't agree that there is no family in competition. I had those fond memories in Ranked games. It's just Riot let a bunch of Morally corrupt people design their newer match making systems and chased away the people who want to have a good time and replaced them with children and man children.
Started playing lol in season 5 was so fun, play drunk lol with some friend's got me into the game. i miss the old day when games where fun. Stop play this season i don't think ill play lol anymore, its sad i've been playing for many years. Competitive play has ruin games, it was fun when it lasted.
i have insane memories from randos in early seasons of the game, and remember the fun of it, i still like the game, but rn i just don't type anything at all bc i got banned for saying wassup guys once, and nobody says anything worthwhile, sometimes the worst is you type and nobody says anything back, for the whole game, feels like ur playing w bots
Since 2011 people have been full muting and calling for a stop on toxicity. You're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses.
Do you think the League of Loneliness exists?
YEP
No , it's still league of toxic smurfs. Beeing toxic is not only " chatting aggressively ". you can be toxic to your mates by the way you play ; no need to talk. buy account , then play and be toxic , be banned , rinse and repeat. but i guess botfarms are worth ...
Soloq needs to be somewhat lonely. It’s better for the competitiveness.
I think league of loneliness was created by both the game allowing curses/slurs etc and then also for the majority player base not using the mute button and allowing themselves to be drawn into the toxicity even more
As an ARAM main I definitely see it, you are more likely to chat with the enemy team than your own....
I played until 2019, from what I’ve seen they’ve taken all these steps to stop people saying mean things to each other and done nearly nothing to stop people running it down intentionally every game things don’t go their way. stopping people from meaningfully communicating with pings isn’t the way to go.
No one wants to say anything bc if they do and they say something that might be construed as toxic will get them reported.
lmao yes one time I wrote "i wont go ganking taric im not a fgt lol" as a joke and got instantly self muted.
I just disabled chat after then. Riot clearly doesnt want team chit chat
@@Multiroester I mean, that's literally a slur so... no shit they're gonna chat restrict or system mute you for that? Are you okay lol. "Riot doesn't want team chit chat" you said a slur, huge difference.
@@iverakansol9218 the problem is it doesnt look at the context.
im litterally insulting myself here
@@Multiroester once i said sett was molesting me toplane because well....he was. Brother was getting kill after kill with 0 effort while im under turret. I was referring to myself and saying it as a half joke and instantly chat restricted. Nowadays you gotta learn which words are on Riots nono list because the context doesn't matter anymore, you'll just get penalized
I think one point that doesn't get brought up, when discussing the "tryharding" point, is that it was very likely exacerbated by Riot balancing the game to enforce a meta after years of saying creativity and fun were primary goals even in ranked. They had started that direction even before role queue was introduced but once that came in, all bets were off.
I also don't think being competitive has to go hand in hand with stoic, unfun, everyone is the enemy, mentality. I don't know why that's somehow a conclusion that's being considered but even when I was grinding 1000+ ranked games every season I could laugh at myself if I messed up or joke around when someone fail flashes and whatnot. I imagine if I were to say "lmao i'm trolling" after messing up in this current state of league, I'd get a suspension now.
if you play 1000 games a season you get desensitized. an average player plays way less, so his more emotionaly invested in each game
In CSGO at least, I had most fun on higher elo faceit. Idk good players were super chill a lot of the time. And if someone was toxic, rest of use just trashed on him and it was dealt with.
I remember DOTA 1 days. There wasn't even a meta or role. Just pick whoever you want and play. Sometimes, there's 2-1-2, sometimes, 1-1-3 and there was a point that there was 0-5-0. I didn't even know jungle/jungler existed until I get into league.
Then, they introduced the meta. The best way to play the lanes. I don't like it before, don't like it now, will not like it ever. I remember getting flamed A LOT whenever I use my Tahm Kench Top (before all nerfs and before he was famous in top) and got flamed because he's a support champion. I trashed every top laner and then he became meta and no one flamed me anymore.
Same reason when I use veigar bot. Got flamed because he's a mage and mage is mid lane. But then someone in worlds used Syndra bot and now bot mage are thing. It's annoying to be dictated of what to use just because it's meta but if you don't go with the meta, you lose
@@runek100 lol is same, its just that people in low elos are majority so ofc majority of people gonna expierence toxicity. Masters and above everyone is much more chill than in pisslow elos like diamond and below.
@@runek100 I Think it's more cause in low elo everyone is grinding to get to the top, once you get to the top you can be more chill and relax more i mean you made it to the top.
low elo are the fighting grounds everyone is pushing people off the mountain trying to climb inch by inch.
I don't play league but not being able to communicate in a TEAM game is dumb. League's infamous toxic community making talking to your teammates a detrament sucks.
I try my best to make the game friendly. I don't think it's the anti toxicity stuff. The community is just so mean and mean spirited. I start every game off with a "good luck have fun" and I get told to shut up or kill myself more often than I have the sentiment reciprocated. Most of the time there is no response because so many players have been burned by the terrible people on the rift. Anytime a player thinks I'm a woman I am sexually harassed. It's too much.
Tell them this before the game "Im full muted in game so i cant read anything pls dont talk to me" but then dont mute yourself and see how they decend into anarchy bring popcorn, also pls dont try to be nice its stupid these are randos in the internet and for the love of god dont tell them you a girl in the internet as a general rule, especially bad idea in league these are teen dudes what were you expecting lol
@@gusp1456 in general you should try to be nice to everyone. And I don't tell them I'm calling. They make assumptions because I'm nice, especially if I'm playing, like, lux or ahri or other champions they associate with women. The community is just full of shitty people, it's not something that should be expected it's just something the game spent too long not deterring
@@AnarchoLoserist im not telling you be mean to them just dont show any "nice" behaivior be neutral its the best way to aproach everything not only in league but in life, being nice would probably get you in very bad situations outside of the usa, trust me im from lat america and yes you should expect toxic gamers because online gaming has always been toxic this is nothing new and to be honest it wont change because the nature of pvp it just brings up toxic behaivior
@@AnarchoLoserist Its the little things that give off someone being a woman, try to not use " ' ", use improper grammer, do not use caps lock at all and u should be good to go
@@korvmedmos979 I don't care about seeming like a woman or not. The problem is people thinking that that is cause to sexually harass another player
Even Tyler1 is moving towards variety games since League doesn't benefit him anymore yeah he still plays sometimes but still doesn't feel the same...
I feel like what most ppl haven't mentioned and is a big part of it is the removal of the chat groups ( and afterwards clubs ) ; I still remember I used to frequently go into a few groups back in s5-s7 and would find people to play duoq with or even tournaments. The game felt a lot more social when those groups were around, and started dying with the implementation of clubs which were a lot more restrictive and when eventually those got remove everybody pretty much moved their whole group on discord and simply keep within their circles instead of trying to get into new ones. Nobody even adds anyone to their friend list anymore these days unless they want to flame or ask for a free boost. There's just no clear avenues to socialize within the game unless you're already with pre established groups of people from outside. Oh also duoq removal from high elo isn't helping either, there's no reason for most high elo players to socialize with others because you can't play together and that carries over to content creators which are in the same boat, than the average viewer sees the lack of socialization and may think that's the way it's meant to be so they don't even try to reach out to random people and socialize - vicious circle.
The toxicity stems from the gameplay. There's too much emphasis on competition, and in a game that has such oppressive champs, snowball, and deaths that can happen in a single second. It's overall a frustrating experience when losing. Hence, people taking that frustration out on other players.
Fun games don't have issues like this. Riot has done this to the game themselves by forcing esports, high end gameplay balance. What's fun to watch, isn't necessarily fun to play. And the way they're going about punishing people is just going to make things worse.
I honestly think if we did have voice chat in Solo Queues the toxicity would actually reduce. People tend to be way more agressive on the keyboard than on the microphone.
I would've agreed, like 7 years ago. But the game itself is what promotes the toxicity now, and it's too far gone for voice chat to help.
Things like snowball, and overall player frustration needs to be reduced, then voice chat would be a good addition. Right now, there are too many players that would just use it in a toxic manner.
I've been saying this for years.....riot is the type to go around a problem and hide it rather than attack the problem and fix it.
I tried Valorant, yeah its pretty toxic sometimes but nowhere compared to league.
I agree that the toxicity level and what was acceptable has snowballed out of control, after years of having this, it won’t solve itself overnight.
@@truckywuckyuwu Nah being able to communicate would make a huge difference, people already mute all. I'd rather have an efficient way of communication that is toxic than an inefficient one that is still toxic.
Sad thing is that even when you shotcall and try to play for your teammates as well, you are likely to waste ur time bcs you don't even know if ur muted by them until you take a baron call and they're supposed to TP and you realise they'll just afk on sidelane autopiloting the game while you're trying to win and end up getting wiped and losing(this literally happend in D2 btw)
If I could quickly and concisely say to my jungler "Don't gank my cooldowns are off" I think they'd listen more than just hearing 6 danger pings put on top of them. Pings do not communicate context and proper comms reduce miscommunication which is where a lot of anger comes from.
In the mid 90's Doom tournaments, no one would talk just focus on winning. John Romero and a few others started talking trash and by the next year, everyone was bantering and talking trash. It looks like we are going back in time now.
Old games had chat channels integrated in the games where you would form groups and meet likeminded people and while there was always shit people, I think it introduced a sense of familiarity and comradery that over time actually reduces toxicity. Modern games you can't even chat in game without someone swearing at you. MMO's are a great example - literally all of the successful ones were successful because of their social aspect. (Runescape, WoW, FF)
Over the years I've tried to make friends with people in League with the idea of discussing the game with them and growing/getting better together, which is something I had extensive experience with when it came to Warcraft 3 over a decade ago, but they will almost always rage or be too frustrated after the game to talk about it genuinely. In the past, I made friends, I found a practice partner who was better than me and practiced against them over and over until I was better, then I found someone else who was better and did the same thing, then the next person I found who I did this with, was a top USA player and we would not only practice together, but we would discuss every single game we played with each other, no matter how minute the points were. This was a key aspect to enjoying a competitive game, learning and growth and I made life-long friends from it. League does not have access to this - people say oh just use reddit or discord, but the accessibility is not the same AT ALL.
Riot's measures are wrong as well btw, because they don't treat soft inting/griefing as griefing at all. It goes ignored, it goes unmeasured, so of course, muting people will reduce what they deem as toxicity, but it's the people whorefuse to play as a team and tilt to the point of griefing that are the most frustrating to deal with.
The game should be about respecting your enemy champions and your ally champions. This sentiment that it's a solo game is wrong to think and say because it influences everyone to not play with and around their own teammates, which leads to griefing and toxicity.
The current anti-toxic mechanics do not prevent you from typing.... Unless youre an asshole about it. Learn to speak with empathy instead of toxicity. Its all just a change of frame of mind; but the toxic people keep trying to insist toxicity is somehow helpful or useful to the game and it isnt.
This all comes down to "I want to be allowed to keep being toxic." and No. Cuz that ruins the game for the vast majority of other players. Hence why it SHOULD be punished and the people punished should make a choice- GTFO, or learn to speak with respect. :)
The problem is that a lot of people use the internet to vent their frustrations of whatever they deal with in their real life, and now that it can get you banned, they just don't talk at all since they no longer have a reason to do so.
The problem is the large abundance as well as encouragement from streamers to buy/make smurfs. People pay as little at five dollars for a ranked ready account and with it, hold little value to the account. Since they dont care too much about the account, they are free to be toxic, leave games, int, greif games and if it does get banned (which they arguably rarely do) they just buy another one for 5 bucks.
1 dollar
smurfs go for as low as 10 cents if you buy old cracked accounts in bulk and fresh botted accounts are 1€
Radio silence and feeling like you're playing a solo game is the most fun I've had with league in years.
Real
I don't like it...
That’s sad
Agreed, has felt incredibly more relaxing and enjoyable
TOP LANERS: first time?
Removing pings was a MAJOR L from Riot. Unnecessarily punishes players who use pings effectively. Pinging ULT is SOOOOOO important, same with pinging level when tracking JG. Why do this when players could mute pings from toxic players already??
Imagine getting that upset about a ping anyways lol. Riot acts like the playerbase is 5 years old.
@@austen8718legit how can someone get upset when some random dude in another country pings that your dead
@@willho4202happened to me yesterday for two games. They got pinged by another player after a death. Then they decided to troll and int lololol
Pinging the support item is also important to tell your support we have 0 vision and he is on full 4 stacks.
What? That's some basic features, they got rid of it?
It would come off negatively but I actually am fine with this, many times trying to crack jokes in rank just to break the silence and the tension of raising the rank, there were games where both teams are fighting to win yet are able to humor their mistakes and genuinely have fun, it happens.
But when you have teammates that will dogpile on you even on the slightest mistake, expecting perfection in low elo no less. Its better everyone be quiet. Why allow the freedom of communication if all you will ever do is hurl insults.
yeah cope, other people literally make us human, don't use your experiences to peddle negative propoganda
@@dragonplayz6606 sounds like you are the one who needs to cope
LOL WHAT@@dr4zel
The problem - those small mistakes also happen in high elo. I am master+ and some people still have 0/12 Stats. I dont know why. How they even got there in the first place ^^
I like when games limit communications. People cant behave or control themselves in video games. I usually mute everybody in competitive games/shooters. Makes it a lot more enjoyable when i wanna play a strat/FPS games; but don't wanna deal with children and men who never grew up in their adult life.
The problem lies with the players as well, when someone tries to be toxic they dont just mute them, they keep on sponging it which makes them feel bad, easiest way is to just mute, the current removal of pinging vital abilities and timers has just ruined team coordination in general
whenever you feel useless or depressed, remember that league has a behavior team that gets paid to ban bad words in chat and weight on papers.
lol you mean behavior bot my guy, cause they dont even filter anything themselves just automated.
There's an automated system that sends the logs to reviewers and the reviewers confirm the bans. But there are so many reports that the reviewers don't even read the logs and just go "yeah, banned".
Remember that one of these words is "idiot". Are we in fucking fourth grade?
@@Nixahma You probably do get matched with a lot of 4th graders on the daily, yes.
there is not a single human interacting with reports apart from the player@@shingon666
Honestly when the auto chat mute system came out I kept just saying things to get me auto muted for almost 3 months.... never got temp banned just chat banned. Muting people without any reason with a bot is killing the social aspect of the game. Like if I make a dumb play I think its funny when my teammates call me out on it. Toxicity can be useful, even helpful in some aspects of any game.
As a newer player ( I started 2 years ago) I agree it definitely can be a bit of a lonely experience; very few messages when gaming, outside of playing with friends
On the other hand, can you blame them? You might get 1/2/3 games when you my play poorly or someone else plays poorly, and some manchild proceeds to launch vitriol they wouldn't dare say in person. Personally idgaf, I'll return it right back, but some people just don't want to deal with that and they shouldn't have to.
Unfortunately it's that rough situation where Riot doesn't want to be seen as toxic, so they'll make these changes despite it being a small % of players, ruining it for everyone. Having said that in my own anecdotal experience; % is not small, it's a good chunk of players.
tbf as a new player (3 years ago) myself i think the toxicity is justified, for me at least this game is so dependent on everyone having a brain, imo u deserve to get spam pinged and sht talked if you perform really poorly in ranked, casual is completely different
@@datboi3162 for ranked, I can understand, especially when they can cause you to be demoted or stop promotion. I'd largely be inclined not to argue this point if it's only in ranked given that's supposed to be the competitive space. Issue is you get it a lot in casual, too.
Also, it can be so situational or you're targeting the wrong person. E.g Top is getting flamed despite the fact that he got counter picked hard and doesn't want to get frozen out the game, has been asking for ganks ( none came) and is now 1/3 and getting flamed. I don't think that's fair. Poor guy is getting flamed for being 1/3 or 1/4, and jungle is 0/0/0 and is basically just farming and has no presence on the map.
@@chuksajeh1813 I know it's hypothetical, but the scenario where solo laners are down 1/3 or 1/4 is near always their own fault for making extremely poor laning choices and have already proved themselves not worthy of the jungler's time investment, and after that point are simply at the mercy of teammates unless they are able to get back into the game on their own. Sounds harsh, but that's how things operate in the game most of the time.
Also, generally speaking at least, you'd rather have a 0/0/0 jungler who farms and can skirmish later for objectives instead of clearing his jungle later, because your team has better odds of scoring shutdown on fed enemy member in multi-man teamfights when laning phase is over. There isn't just one way to get back into the game with ridiculous comeback and anti-snowball mechanics Riot introduced in later seasons, can't help but wonder what newer players' impression would be of the early seasons when there were only gold per ten items and turtling under tower when jungler didn't want to gank. 😂
One of the most fun things I find about Overwatch isn't the gameplay, but the experiences over VC with other players.
I'm the type of player who mutes everyone at the start of the game. Enemies and teammates alike. It just makes the experience better for me as a whole.
good for you, but just note that it makes it (arguably) harder for both you and your teammates to coordinate. It's a team game after all.
@@ihrstan I agree in principle, but in practice I've found that people only type in chat when they're already angry that something went wrong. At that point any chance for coordination is out the window. That's just my personal experience of course.
Honestly this is exactly what happens in 99.999% of cases, I don't personally mute, but I don't use the communication tools either, except for pings, and even then, one slightly misplaced ping can and will be taken as toxic @@ChandlerKeithFlow
@@ihrstan Depending on the level, most of the time is easy to understand what my teammate is suggesting with the pings alone. I mean, i don't need a whole message to know they want to go baron or that maybe the jg will gank me.
Agreed it makes me concentrate more. Plus having my own music in background is much better. Been doing that since 2013. Even got reported a few times for not saying a word in chat. Honestly i'll say good on riot for making the game "lonely". I don't miss the days of calling out troling teamates in chat for running down mid and feeding critical hit rengar and then getting reported for it by the feeder and his friends. Good riddance to chat.
I would say this is a hell of their own doing, sucks that bad apples ruin the game experience for everyone
im glad that it is more quiet tbh. There are still some ppl there but not a lot of the flaming which is veeeery good imo. Definitely keeps my interest in playing another ranked after a game tbh
League used to be a social game. The sweaty gamers had Starcraft. Still mind-boggling how there is no voice chat in a TEAM GAME.
I genuinely believe league would be much less toxic with voice chat, people are much less likely to flame in games with vc
Don't know about that have you play the new Cs it's amazing some people on the internet and how creative they are
Ppl in Stacks love VC so nope
its an absolute joke that theres no vc in 2023
agree feel like game would be so much better in teamwork way. and when the game is lost maybe people will start to be toxic but also in generall less toxicity
Based on what evidence can you show that voice chat would reduce toxicity? If anything it would provide an outlet for people to be toxic without the ability to be punished.
Every person I know has been chat restricted for nothing. I mean I got chat banned for a week for saying “save your r for me pls” and “gg.” I have stopped communication in game since then I mute everything and don’t ping anything so I don’t get banned
I think the removal of pinging your teammate were a super bad thing. I used it a lot for good things, example pinging others ult cooldowns to communicate to wait for the engage and so on. Now i ha e to write and 50% of the time they have mited me. Yeah sure it could be annoying if someone got mad and started to spam ping, but if someone abused it for bad things. You can always muted. So im super sad with the ping changes. And as well it worked as a good thing, if someone made a banger play. You could spam ping them to show your graditude.
crazzy how i was thinkin about this, i was typing in game and no one else would respond, it was kinda sad cuz it happened 3 games in a row... I felt like my teammates werent even fully focused on the game. Randomly just going afk for a bit or jus making horrible plays out of no where leaving me confused... but when I do get games where my team is proactive and playing like a team those are the best. Not every game is bad but majority of them are not gonna lie.
I think that the main problem, the thing that makes the game the most toxic, is the entire ranked experience right now. The LP gains and losses, the matchmaking, the difference between MMR and rank. I mean, you can get to a point where you need a 60% win rate just to stay even. Meaning a person with just a few hours a day can play 3 games, win 2 lose 1 and oops they're out of time for the day and they're exactly where they started. Ranked is either win the game or risk wasting, not just the 30-40 minutes of your day, but up to 2-2.5 hours of time to stay exactly where you started. Not to mention lately they're just regularly placing bronze players on gold games, players 2 tiers above where they should be. And then especially with the chat restrictions now, it just spills over to normals.
100%, matchmaking is completely out of order lately, i get ranked games sometimes with players from bronze all the way up to plat, or some lvl 30ish unrankeds playing their first rankeds etc, the skill diaparities are huge, doesnt make the game fun at all, seem like every match fate for me (either lose or win) is been decided from matchmaking and there is not much we can do to impact it
Norms and aram can be toxic but its more funny banter because most dont care, but ranked is by far the most toxic gamemode in any videogame I have ever played. Everybody is super chatty and toxic all game long and just keep getting away with it, I used to be super toxic up until last year when I decided to stop typing unless needed and just let games go when lost as trying to chat to a bunch of people wont fix the losing game anyways, if I lose than I lose ofc there games that are ruined by toxic players, smurfs and just stupid people but I spent years being super toxic and ive just given up on acting that way as ive gotten older, the playerbase will just never grow up.
@@BruKnows46 You do realize that MMR and the division youre in are two completely different things right? Matchmaking isnt based off what division youre in. You can be diamond 4 and only have Emerald 2 MMR.
@@knifeuu777 so your saying the ranked system isn't working which was his point but have fun pushing up your glasses MR Ashkually.
I am surprised people are still so moved by toxic teammates and/or are so willing to be toxic. I could answer a toxic player with an abstact questions with no real need for the answer and always report them after the game. Like who cares if teammates are toxic? Chill and play your game. I am literally immune to LoL toxicity by that point, stunned there are still people who are not.
I think one of the reasons no one talks anymore is because you get chat restriction for anything negative without looking at the context. Calling someone that is running down the game and going 0-20 an idiot or telling someone to go kill himselfs after a bad play are 2 different things
yesterday i got 15 days chat restriction +5 games ranked restriction + my honor level set back to 0 for playingfully saying in all chat to the enemy jungler "Get out of my jungle, you monkey"....
He was playing Wukong...
@@BruKnows46comedy sketch gold but damn
I recently started playing and I was surprised to see such a lack of comms because of how important they are when i play with friends.
if anything, the game was less toxic back in 2010 / 11. might be due to people not being as sweaty but everyone was always talkative and you actually met new people to play with
This is DEFINITELY not true. People used to run it down ALL the time. Players ragequitting was much more frequent. Much, much less of that going on. You'd have people flaming each other in every game. Now a lot of people have accounts with hundreds to thousands of dollars sunk in skins and tons of time spent on unlocking things so they're way more hesitant to get banned. Not so in the early days when you couldn't get tons of free skins from chests with playtime. Players were suuuuuper toxic. I think you're just misremembering.
I got a warning once for literally only saying ''?'' when someone on my team said to report me for feeding, when I only had a bad game.
LoL anti-toxic system sucks.
The game needs voice chat desperately.
It has voice chat just no one uses it
@@Buttlirious It's for premades only bro
@@Buttlirioushe means a team voice chat, not one between premade players
+1, Dota has that, when 2/5 player uses it the game suddenly becomes funny and strategical
It's wild how you only feel the presence of people in league when you are playing with people you already know in a voice call, and if you're not then its a vast nothingness. Some of my worst times in this game came from when I didn't have friends who played the game regularly
league is a team game where you're as much pitted against your own team as you are the opposing team
without embracing actual social elements to foster community, for people to form teams and chat and go over strategies, solo queue will keep on living up to its name
back in the day games had full chat functions, clans, and people would happily build third party forums and such to communicate. we have discord, sure, but it's bloated, intimidating, and finding like-minded people can be really difficult
I recently come back to league after a two-year break without looking into all of the changes and after a few game, immediately noticed the game just seemed way more... quite.
Certainly, felt lonelier than it used to. Sometimes I play games of Solo queue now and wont have a single interaction with my teammates. Not sure how I feel about it.
It also seems like a few of my ARAM games have had silence too.
(Yes, chat is enabled. Sometimes team/all talk back)
Yeah the ping change was literally the tipping point
actually the most braindead change in the game since I started playing in s8 I have no clue what the fuck they were thinking
i think you should bait here xdd@@ransum_
For real, everything was fine up until this
This is so true...! I'm actually someone who used to like a good ol' banter. I would usually start the game with : Lets go Re*****! Just so I could stir something up... Used to be so fun, playing League with a couple drinks and having someone tilt... It actually took me three 14 day bans in a row to understand when they took the new detection system out and man was the game lonely... When you hate your job and League gave you something to laugh after a rough day, it was so satisfying...
The problem here is the fact that people still can just run down a game just because there is no consecuence for that. I don´t care if someone is chat toxic, I just mute that player asap and be done. But I can´t do anything if some one decides to just lose at minute 10 of the game and I´ve had that happend in 9 out of 10 games in a row at certain times because riot does literaly nothing about it.
Mire punishments is the answer until only robots play their game
I play ranked for the majority of my games cause I’m competitive(a try hard). It feels that over my years of playing the game has gone form people every game saying GLHF, to silence or just to toxicity. You say anything even owning up to your mistakes and people just take that as an opportunity to batter you or anyone else who agrees with your statement. I think part of it is the inability to tell tone across text. I’m not the best with words so sometimes I come across the wrong way. But it hasn’t been all bad but a steady decline for sure.
I honestly don’t really mind all the changes, it feels like most of the time, my teammates spent more time fighting each other instead of the enemy team. More times flamming each other and tilting each other off. You can’t say anything to anyone in league cause they will tilt instantly or feel the need to make a snarky reply. Not to mention they’ll just wait for each other to make more mistake and flame each other back for revenge. League is a lot more enjoyable and peaceful when you play it on mute. My teammates could be having ww3 in the chat and I would have no idea lmao.
agree
Same goes with valorant. There are so many vicious kids
I remember the old times, where I started chatting with an enemy in game, we lost, but we kept talking in the post game lobby for hours in the night from popculture to national habits and whatnot. This was before the EU server split, when there was no EUW and EUNE, only EU. Fun and friendlier times, league wasn't so restricted "metagaming"-wise, there were so many new things left to discover and people chatted more in game. You even had to type "ss" or "mia" if enemy was missing lol.
i dont know. i still type ss and i still type with enemys after the game if i had a fun encounter. Maybe you just changed? Guess what i am trying to say is that there isnt rly anything stopping you from still doing that.
@@mantie7nope I still try to do it sometimes but it’s mostly just radio silence. Used make plenty of friends in norms but now it’s super rare.
@@mantie7 I'm still talking a lot, but for ss now there's the missing player ping. And after game everyone just leaves instantly, especially since riot muted chat as standard after games, and you have to reenable it every time if you want to see anyone type.
Being angry at having the option to mute pings is stupid af. I'd much rather have a silent team than a screeching and malding team
Not a choice, pings are automatically muted now and can't be reversed
VeigarV2 made a good video on it. Me personally i queue for a game on EUW grandmaster solo q rank and low and behold my jungler is fullmuted and supp is full muted cannot see pings or chat do not respond to wards or any back pings and adc is completely mental boom after 1 or 2 deaths potentially running mid or another place and starting to grief. Some days thats every game or every 2nd/few games basically but it makes playing an objective based moba into potentially unplayable experience.
I think that league's toxicity comes from a horrible rank system if the ranked system awarded/punsihed each player for their individual perfornance 90% of the people would actually focus on playing good themselfs and not flaming their teammates this ranked system is outdated and only works in games where it's you (alone) against someome else
Explain how to rate individual performance in league?
@@TheGerrok easily be done with just stats tbh. kills, assist, deaths/ objectives, cs, tower damage ward points etc.. and have a smart system that can consider the player's role in checking this stats and ruled out a points it would give to them. for example as a support obviously you wont prio on getting kills themselves so the points you get is determine on the impact you contribute for the kills your team get with your help. it would be more complicated yeah if they want to be precise because that would also consider the type of support you're using enchanter, tank etc but with any groups of competent developers that is not hard tbh and riot seems doesn't have of those.
@@akkir6707 Any equation you do will be quickly figured out and exploited. You'll end up with a game full of degenerate things like AP MF support because they can stat pad easy, while punishing things like engage supports who bear the brunt if things are less than ideal. Any system that has a player make a decision between "what's good for my team" and "what's good for my rank" is going to suck.
@@TheGerrok well obviously they would need to balance it out just like they do with this MMR system that is alsoo always broken btw people have positive wr and still lose more lp then what they gain
@@TheGerrok KDA, Tower damage, objective damage, difference in gold vs your enemy laner, your teammates, damage dealt. Vision score, Whether or not you won. Just to name a few. Your performance vs other people in the same role/champ.
They already grade your performance, they could just expand upon that, and give people more or less LP depending on how they do.
Man, I'm glad that it's just the toxic chat that everyone's worried about.
My worries are if the midlane will just do a full sprint and go 0/20 in 7 minutes, having an actual bot play support, jungle afk'ing because they went into the enemy jungle and died or toplane and bot deciding they don't want to do that lane and start a 3v2 bot or 2v1 top. This happened 5 *ranked* games in a row after I took a break for 6 months. This was in diamond. I don't think I'm going back.
It would be nice to bring back the PVE modes and the old team ranked games where you where you could pick champions that you're willing to play and roles, they could mix that with the current clash
bro i loved the odyssey event pve so much
@@cryliosis Weird part is a lot of people playing Odyssey and Riot was afraid no one will play ranked game so they removed it. Lol.
I mean riot is almost at their goal to make the game single player.
It's not lonely it's just less of a headache for riot when players don't interact.
Also league hasn't had a new player since 2018 idk why anybody would focus on that problem
It doesn't feel like a social game at all and that's mainly due to the nature of the game. They make it easier to be silent or roxic than to say something nice or commend people. If they had voice comms then you can be critical yet encouraging you could discuss plays or take feedback. But to type all that out is too much for sucha complex game.
Nah it's mainly due to people. Ive met some of my closest friends on league l. People are accountable for their behaviour. A competitive game is not a reason to act like a manchild.
@@1982pokemon I get that but it's an environment of their creation
but if you can work togheter people will be less toxic do i think vc will help. Also riot should also reward positivity in games instead of only punising bad behaviour. honour system is a joke.@@1982pokemon
Honestly the only way I can stand to play LoL anymore is by full muting, and that's with me only playing ARAM these days. It's a combination of not wanting to read what people write, and not trusting myself not to respond and risk having my account banned that I've had since launch.
You are correct, been playing ranked since season two and just more recently things have gotten worse, had a whole one year break to chill out a little but it is way too easy to get suspensions nowadays. Unfortunately leagues "woke-ness" collapses on itself.
I’ve met some pretty cool people in ARAM. While there are some toxic ARAM players, for the most part I feel like having to fight 5v5 as a team IS social and leads to a more positive, team oriented environment.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say that the majority of ppl who complain they are 'lonely' are the toxic ones who want to cuss ppl out but don't get the satisfaction.
I definitely play with the "Premade Only" chat setting. In the few times I did turn chat back on, it is disproportionately used for communication that doesn't aid gameplay. Now I just play for myself for the most part.
I would love if they added voice communication it would be better
100% + People wouldn't say half the shit they write in chat out loud.
@@ihrstan yeah umif they become so annoying we can just mute them and problem solved i don't understand why riot see this as very diff task 😕😕
@@ihrstandisagree completely on that due to console games they have voice chat bans for a reason
@@DofyMingomajority of the player base doesn't use mute even though it's 2-3 clicks away and less than 2 seconds to do
Enters* The overwatch voice comms experience
I tried going back last March to League. I peaked D2 so I still have retained those skills, but leveling up a new account is painful since I can't avoid playing against Master players and above. It sucks so much when you get curbstomped by a better player than you are in NORMAL games and people will trashtalk you for losing.
Sorry mate, but I ain't winning against a GM midlaner.
so league players just found out they are depressed
The 3 biggest issues i see with league are the following
1. Snowballing is too much, which causes ppl to mental boom extraordinarily easily, personally at this point i would just nerf kill gold entirely
2. Chat feels like walking on eggshells, like no joke ive been punished for something that wasn't even toxic, it was just a term i didnt understand and it got me punished with a chat restriction
3. Champ kits have become too overloaded, yes this is in fact a massive problem, i shouldnt have to read a bible to understand what an adcs passive does, it causes ppl to have to rememeber far too many mechanics and makes the game overall just unfun
Having Fun Game modes all the time so ppl can have fun and lessen toxicity Nah
New Skins and only money Grabing lmao
instead of making the game more fun and Bring ppl mote together they just want money lmao
If I was in charge I would just add voice comms.
It’s still the only reason I swap to dota 2 sometimes.
just put in voice comms and the game is too lit
League is a very good game, but the reason me and all my friends gave up on it was the toxicity. Admittedly we're not kids anymore, so we have less time and less patience to handle the grief, but that's our experience. Why would we want to play, or be social, with angry people, trolls, and salty tryhards? Even in ARAM or URF we've seen people flip their lid and have a meltdown over the slightest misplay. It's boring.
For added context, our skill levels range from silver through to diamond (low gold here) but each of us in the different leagues or tiers all had the same complaints.
The problem with riot stopping toxicity is they are more concern with what people say and not the actual toxic people who purposely ruin games and inting intetionally
Exactly not allowing the normal banter that goes back and forth in games is boring as hell. Imagine if cod or cs started doing this. Games would be silent as hell and they would start to fall off. Competition and toxicity is what makes it fun. The best boxing/MMA matches are grudge matches. Removing all the elements of what makes the game fun is what killed league for me. I want people to call me out when I mess up. Maybe it's just me idk but it's a video game not a personal attack on someone. If I tell someone in cs2 they fucking suck for losing a round that we could have won no big deal. If the call me out for only getting 4 frags in a match when everyone else is 20 bombing then I deserve it. Same thing should happen in league.
started playing a bit of csgo since the update. i feel like voicechat would help against the lonely feeling. in cs making callouts and working together is Extremly rewarding. But sometimes when it goes wrong it starts to get more like insults. But in lol you cant communicate well so the only time u can type is when your dead so the only time u type is when it is negative.
only positive massegases i have typed where wp or gj. after a succesfull play.
Sorry bad english
As someone that quite literally quit the game, for the first time, in 11 years of playing, BECAUSE of the changes Riot has been making recently. League of Loneliness as you call it, definitely exists. I started playing the game early 2012, got into it because of friends, loved the game, started out in Bronze 5, climbed my way up to Platinum in a few years. Since 2019 I've been consistently high Diamond with occasionally hitting Masters in both ADC and Mid Lane. The changes that Riot has been making with the communications is terrible, removal of DuoQ, being unable to ping teammates, people forcefully muting everyone else and removing ability to play as a team. The lack of Balance updates in the last year almost, introduction of Mythic items which caused itemisation to stagnate, and that's just to name a few of the issues that I have with the game.
I used to love playing League. It was my escape from school, I could hang out with friends, meet new people, find long lasting friendships. Some of my best friends IRL I found through League in one way or another. Now, I simply can't play with them since I've hit an Elo where Riot doesn't let me play with friends and Normals being filled with people that int for fun to get lower MMR or toxic pieces of shit that try to tilt you for no reason what so ever. I get punished for being good at a video game, then I get punished for trying to play with friends, and now I'm getting punished even more with the removal of the sparse communication options that people still use. Simply because, they can't seem to figure out how to solve the toxicity issue that stems from a Competitive game.
It's disheartening to see the game that I love steadily lose it's identity in favour of brand deals, tournaments, shitty monetisation practices and Developers that simply removes every possible avenue of communications just to avoid people being toxic.
The simple fix that Riot just doesn't want to admit is just. Let people be toxic, and ban them for it. Don't punish the majority of people because you get spam pinged when you go 3/10 on Karthus in your NA Masters game and lose your mind because of your shitty performance. Grow up, majority of people that play the game are adults. If you can't handle your champion name showing up multiple times in a video game chat and you're so disturbed by that fact that you're unable to use of the features that your own fucking company created and mute their pings. Maybe video games are not for you.
This is practically me and I'm back on grinding Dota 2 which is a harder game but the player base is so much better overall as is the game state
League is fun if you don't take it seriously. I played three games last night. My first games in months. I had one inter and one person ban my champ in select. 2 out of 3 games just aren't fun. People ruin the game. I have played on /mute all for years. It's necessary. The way to make league fun is to remove the other people, or pretend the other people aren't people at all.
nothing is better than queueing as a 4 man on the weekend and flaming the solo player for playing alone if they act up
LOL my friends and I will surrender the game last second if they're cringe. There goes your battle pass progress.
you're kinda part of the problem too
They need to have 4 man party harass the solo player and ff w5 every match that sounds fun
Games it takes on average to be banned while inting every single match: 13-16
Games it takes for me to be banned because i said the word "retarded": 1
Literally 1 game. Instant ban. Riot is so concerned about the stupid chat and puts zero effort into banning the people who ACTUALLY ruin players experience.
This week I played with 2 bots, and had multiple unranked people with 1-3 games (all defeats) played only in my gold1 / plat 4 matches.
You're looking at this backwards. They need to do more to reduce toxicity so we can chat without being flamed, not let people flame more so we can communicate more
Never get rid of your freedom. The so called "toxic" players are not toxic it's called bad players on your team deserve to know they are bad.
@@eazyz2267 found a silver rager bois
@@FnHeroes Emerald 2 actually. What's your rank?
@@eazyz2267 oh shit we have a very secure person here, mid rank udyr main upset they can't yell at teammates cries about it on the internet and brags about green border, definitely touches grass and women often
@@FnHeroes What makes you think I'm an udyr main? I'm not LOL and I asked you for your rank and you never responded. How about you say your personal rank and we 1v1 ?
I'm on 3 consecutive chat restricts for typing 'gapped' a couple times a game I understand it's hard to find that golden line between toxicity and the ability to communicate freely but they definitely overstepped. It's a combination of riot's horrible chat restriction system and league players reporting 14 people a game because they're upset every game ruining the report system in general
yesterday i got 15 days chat restriction +5 games ranked restriction + my honor level set back to 0 for saying in all chat to the enemy jungler "Get out of my jungle monkey"....
He was playing Wukong...
Lmao, in Dota, where bickering is normal, you wont even get punished if you dont use slurs or even mass reported. Unless you are griefing together with toxic communication of course.
to be honest, best way to counter muting is to give ability to a player to filter speech/pings or to allow it for themselves.
I play Dota 2, and some players are premuted (muted before game even starts), i can unmute them if i want or i can keep them on mute. In my game settings i can turn on chat filter or turn it off...
Me? i give everyone a chance and unmute at the start of the game, if they are boring or too toxic i mute them again. I turned of chat filter as i really do not get offended by words.
In the end I understand that everyone can have a bad day and be a bit nervous. I had many of those days.
to get rid of toxicity best was is to simple ignore toxic people. Forced muting will not help as they will continue to be toxic as soon as they have the chance.
the moment they see that you do not react to them, even though you can see their chat/pings is the moment when they will realize that their toxicity means absolutely nothing...
P.S. all that being said - I REALLY do not have anything against good quality trash talk/banter.
I like league's isolated state. I enjoy being able to play solo q alone and honestly i hate other people in real life and game.
Toxicity is nothing compared to smurfing problems in league, I'm a new player (started 2 months ago) my experience so far is - even in normals people tryhard, in ranked i often get matched against smurfs, even in normals there are smurfs who just go 20 1 or 30 1 and the funny thing is even if you report the specific account to RITO support they dont instantly ban it, they say we will take actions. I''ve never seen these levels of smurfs in any game. Dota2 is much better in handling smurfing
I don't remember League ever being a social game
can i ask what year/season you started playing league?
@@BattlewarPenguin2021
@@vuxm4756 well, you can search, how aram became a thing, dominion, 3v3, gamemodes, teemo hide and seek, mundo mini games and doom bots.
Losing was fun. I hope new players can experience those things as well, although those are things of an ancient league.
I feel like its just the que system in general thats a problem. This is also different between regions and total player base of each server BUT in the majority of my games recently if Im on mny silver 1 acct no matter what que I am on I will have at least 1 emerald/plat duoed with a bronze/silver player. So what ends up happeneing a lot is that one high rank player starts talking shit or calling out other people while ignoring the fact their friend is at 20cs 20 mins into the game and is 0 n 8. The seemingly unfair ques greatly increase a persons attitude towards their team. Then we have the differences in the idea of what is "FUN". To some fun is random builds and running it down to others its trying to get better and others jsut want a game that seems like people are trying and thats fun. When it seems like someone is actively trying to hinder your experience berceuse of these different ides it kinda pisses you off. When i was playing in LAN server I was leveling my acct so i could play in ranked (i live on the border and have better ping in lan). I believe I wwas level 10 and we had unranked all the way up to challenger players in teh same game. Needless to say challenger player bodied everyone and my team had given up about 10 mins in. I think that players should be given a choice abut opting into or out of quicker que times in for better "quality" matches. but hey that would slow the entire game down so im not really sure how to fix anything. This also happens a shit ton in valorant in terms of the random skill differences in NORMAL ques
I knew it was over when people got so sensitive that when I tried to tell another player about an item build for a champ they replied "dont tell me what to do, reported". Then we lost, because that same player had 0 impact because his item build sucked.
totally agree, reminds of a friend in a community I'm in that sucks at the game cause he doesn't listen, a reason why he is in peasant tier copper bronze cry babying all the time and im already in gold going on to higher elos. I just wish their still was some sort of communication in general cause none is just as bad, as long as you have that option to mute him thats it their at least can be a learning experience even though that player has less experience or skill then experienced players does. But then again it also depends on the person themselves if they want too.......
Let me guess one of those items: collector; rfc; "hybrid ap" but having close to 0 ap; night harvester; freeze active one; crown; Botrk or Kraken as "anti tank" yet still no ar pen; "on hit" but it's all ad and they never believe armor pen can ever exist in their life; FoN as "anti AP"; GA as anti engage; Death dance as anti burst; Other sp items while your team desperately needing Locket or Moonstone+Redemption. I could go on but these are popular in my book, I must've nailed some scenario already right?
@phuocminhluu2919 it's part of that but it's more of "I don't like active items cause I never use them and i forget" excuse when they really can make a difference, Lazy auto pilot mechanics, locked screen BS, and other peeps trying to help him how to get better only to hear cry baby degenerate "don't tell me what to do" but still sucks @$$ at the game. The point is if I can do it you can do it your just lazy get over it but...people can't change. It's peeps like these that should not play league
I feel like game chats in general are quiet these days. Societally, I feel like people are not inclined to strike up conversations with strangers between the ready availability to communicate with existing friends via phone/text and Covid social distancing putting a block of time in everyone’s life where folks just weren’t socially meeting new people generally. Coupled with the toxicity and rage filled interactions from attempting to participate and it becomes hard to justify even leaving chats open.
I never played much league so i can’t speak to whether a unique thing is occurring there but most online team based stuff often does feel pretty isolated IMO
Nah its because you get muted and punished for the slightest
You cant make a conpetitive game without having to deal with toxic players
Disagree. League is doing a good job of it with these updates.
Just because toxic people exist doesnt mean its my job to deal with them just because I want to have fun playing a game and ranked.
If you met a toxic individual at work, itd be considered a "Hostile work environment" and you could quit and get unemployment due to it. -Just for some real-world examples.
You are literally arguing that toxicity is something OTHER people have to deal with and quite frankly; we have LAWS to the contrary so.... I think its justified, considering how infested the toxicity has become.
@@shupichii9647 bro... the people will never change, they will stay toxic just arent able to show it anymore but also in my opinion toxicity is something that makes you better, if i get flamed i want to show them how good i can get and automatically play better thats just how i see it ig
Generally as jg main no point in typing or communicating with team or anyone else ,cuz teammates will use chat to flame and tilt enemy the same!!
Maybe adding voice coms would be good and people would be less toxic ,and people would be able to explain things lot quicker without loosing tempo!!
Not here to make friends I'm here to win.
I can make friends elsewhere.
My favorite part of league was always messing around with random people i queue up with, bantering with the enemy or even trying to get in their discords. Seeing reactions to off-meta picks and typing out plans to teammates.
Nowadays you’re lucky to get some missing pings after making a game-winning play, and you dread seeing a teammate talk to you even in arams or normals.
istg you guys make videos about anything and content keeps repeating itself, pls quality over quantity
they're just following the riot way fr
I swear I started playing this game back in 2012. People in general used to be so nice to each other. I would have at least a couple of people a day adding me or vice versa so we could play together, then or later. People would appreciate if you were good and would speak to share experience, tips, etc.. Around 2016 this game became a ego fest where players are constantly waiting for you to f up somehow and start flaming the shit out of you. Back in the day, even if u lost a game, you could get some sort of reward in other ways none just simply winning. Now you lose and its just layers of frustration and nothing really good comes out of a loss. Its just depressive for a game that gave me so much joy at one point none can even comprehend.
The main problem is this actual word "toxic". Since this has been used to cathegorise a tipe of players (without adding a clear definition of it) you can be toxic by saying anything. I lost two account, one of them since beta for asking the support for wards, or for giving team instructions, not even in aggressive way. Tribunal was the main source of feedback for the machine learning stuff and now you can get banned based on that words and actions suggested by the former tribunal as toxic. Now i dont talk to others, straight to /deafen command.
i only play league occasionally in ARAM (fast one lane game and non stop clash, dont have to think about farming and other mechanics) or when there's URF. league has become so exhausting to me.
When I first gave the game a try it was so horrible. There were so many Smurfs, even in normals. Everyone assumes that you're also a smurf so you get flamed and pinged the whole time. It's such a miserable game to get into.
While tryharding has ALWAYS existed in league, it feels intense now in an uncomfortable way. I don't really know how to explain it, but I remember ages ago when I was playing league in season 4-5, shit talking and people calling others out for making mistakes in very rough ways existed, but it was usually overshadowed by people just... Having fun? Now when I play the game, even in normals, I feel like I am 1v9-ing usually. I make one mistake (and I do every now and then, I'm not a super good league player), I get spammed with pings and insults by my own team mates. And that's way more demotivating than anything the opponent can do to you cause hey... We're supposed to work together and cover each other. I only solo que now cause I usually have no choice. If I see my friends are on at the same time as me though, I try to get games with them as much as possible, cause its just better in terms of communication.
JUST ADD VOICE COMMS. Fixes every major communication issue and makes your teammates feel more like other real humans. You don’t see the same level of toxicity in valorant, or cs2
If it was not a problem to have chill conversations about non game related topics in pubs games….like I think tag would solve a lot like chatting about anime ….or the complex things known as microwaves when you’re getting absolutely obliterated or obliterating
The elephant in the room is that toxicity does not stem from a verbal engagement the vast majority of the time.
For the most part it starts with a from a non verbal toxic performance.
A LOT of players intentionally throw games and troll other players which leads to breed frustration and it's usually this frustration that leads to spill out towards other players who don't deserve any form of verbal toxicity. But the core issue that no one wants to address is how common it is to have the people on your own team are actively trying to ruin everyone else's time.
it's not rocket science to acknowledge that this is the fundamental issue.