RE: "Are friends hurting my climb" - Dude, that aint a healthy friendship. Stand up for yourself, play league as you want, and if your friend isn't okay with that and throws a fit, well they can deal with it. If that's a deal breaker for the friendship, it wasn't really a friendship to begin with.
Hugely this. If someone doesn't ultimately have your best interest in mind, then that's not a friend you wanna keep around anyways. I'm sure there's more nuance to the situation, but I hope that person knows that they deserve better friends than that.
My friends were not ok. And I didn't care, 7 years later and I still play with them whenever I want. This man is right so listen to him. Btw, friends really hurts grinds, just listening to mine talking about the game makes me worse.
@ranolol it's not even just friends, duoing (unless both people have the same mentality and understanding of the game) is a bad ideea. You will most likely end up bouncing frustrations and negative outlook of off each other. This year I went from b2 to g2 then found a duo, played togheter for a while I went back to b2. Took a break, came back with a different outlook, went from b2 to plat 3. Made the mistake of duoing with the same person went back to p4 ( though this may have happened even without him) it made the playing experience extremely frustrating. So yeah duo for fun in normals, to try things, to just enjoy playing the game but for actual climbing I would not recommend it.
01:02:05 - Being from Brazil I can confirm this. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is huge, people really take it seriously that's one of the reason Brazil has such great fighters, this movement is stronger in Rio De Janeiro where the Grace family teaches it. The dedication and time they put in mastering this art is really unbelievable, Judo is also really big here.
My body is completely destroyed from jiu-jitsu. Not so much normal training or competition, but specifically training for competition. Preparing your body to compete in combat sports is grueling, so much more so than the actual competition itself. That said I would do it all over again.
On the topic at 29:14, I wanna tell that person to run. Far. If that friend guilt trips you for A GAME, imagine how far that same person would go to trip you in other aspects. No way, bro, you have to look after yourself first, then to others. You can't be pleasing others when you aren't pleased yourself. It's not going to be a comfortable conversation with your friend, but you are the one that decides what you play. If you only duo queue, it has to be because YOU want to only duo queue, not because someone else forces you to.
Thanks for responding to my question! I guess to give more context for you guys and potential viewers - the question I asked in the referenced episode was about how I could hit Challenger in one year from Silver because my mom gave me that time to go pro - otherwise I had to take a new education which I'm now two years into. Back then I mained Cassiopeia and Azir - now I left Azir behind for the most part. I still enjoy playing him in flex and normals but I'm not good enough at the game to play him in my soloqueue games yet. You guys told me it would be basically impossible which I honestly got mad about but at the same time I understood it. I really wanted to prove you wrong but my ranked anxiety got in the way of it which only pissed me off more and prevented learning for a long time. While I always took the game seriously and tried to win it took me until about a month ago to get back into actually focusing on learning again. As a part of that prosec I'm finally a part of the MLS now and my improvement has only gotten better now that I have specific learning objectives. I'd highly recommend MSL/MLA to anyone out there who isn't in it already!
In 2019 as a GM player I gave my 110% to go pro. I sacrificed a LOT of untangible things, including my health. And eventually, I had to give up on it. Aiming to go pro from silver in one year is like planning on climbing Mount Everest next year all the way up to the top, when currently you barely know the basics of rock climbing.
I love League of Legends and I'm tired of the mainstream opinion of it being that it's a terrible game for losers, only because a lot of people can't handle their emotions when playing ranked. I really hope this changes in the future because it's embarrassing to share the rift with these immature clowns.
Get your point but as i get older and play the game more in periods of time rather than perma I can't claim that I have ever experinced a bigger concentration of total human garbage in my life (outside of Hitlerfans and 4 chan junk). It is sad but the amount of rassist trash, people who enjoy to troll just to piss of there team and people who conect there self worth to there lol rank...
Damn I really relate with the second guy Michel, I went from low diamond to d1 almost stomping every game at the end of the season, and I kept feeling like I'm just lucky or there is a glitch in the system that puts me versus bad players, I realize now that I had d1/master in such high pedestal.
Lina's question reminds me of when I was playing normal games. I would find myself playing Bottom and there would often times be a 3 man premade on my team. Their worst player is usually put in the Support position. I would get flamed for anything I do wrong or "wrong" (when I'm doing the right thing and get flamed anyway). Their friend on the Support role would usually (not always) be playing much worse than myself and I'm sitting there thinking to myself... "How can they say X or Y thing to me, when their friend is right here playing worse than I am? Are they not ashamed of what they're doing? Does their friend not feel like shit reading what their premades are typing to me?
I feel like people sometimes flame because they know if someone else is the designated scapegoat first then they'll be safe from getting flamed. Pre-emptive strike
I had this conversation with someone yesterday about the people that don’t see the value in a video game hobby. The people who will watch Netflix for 6 hours, or scroll their social medias forever. The thing is, league of legends caters to a group of people who are extremely motivated by dopamine stimulation. People who love to stimulate their mind with strategic, intellectual challenges. We came to a pretty toxic conclusion, but I truly believe that if a person can zombie out on Netflix all day, and can’t see the value of the game to a person, they are just not intellectually capable of perceiving it.
Couldn't disagree more with your bs, sry but this is just a matter of taste to be intressted or not in gaming or more spezific competing with others. To give an example the only two persons I personaly know well that have/had a high rank were more of addicts than anything else and sucked at school so hard you couldn't even belive it. It is the same with many things in life, you are intrested in something, enjoy it and comit time to it you will get better till a certain limit. A friend of mine who played semi professional csgo for example realy sucks at improving in RTS games because he basicly only enjoys playing the game with friends and get nostalgia rewards from the time he was 12 and played age of mythology on lans with friends who all sucked. Competing in general and even more in games is a niche thing, most people just wanna have fun and realx from real life not dedicate there life to the game.
haven't watched the video but to answer the title without context, i don't take league seriously bc i have a full time job and play league to spend time with my friends and just chill. i rarely ever play solo q anymore. maybe 20 games in an entire year? used to be plat 2 before i stopped taking the game seriously and i honestly am so much happier and have so much more fun now just playing norms and aram. league is more about the friends i play with and trying to do things however i feel like doing them, no matter how inefficient it may be (or at least that's what it is for me).
I miss playing games with friends AND strangers. Being able to just hop into an MMORPG or FPS game and chat with whoever was around was great. Now I play LoL and my own teammates are telling me to kill myself and because of the way matchmaking works, you aren't likely to see the same people the next game so you have no reason to be friendly with them. Even though you're on a team with 4 other people, you're playing alone. In all the other games I've played online, I would make "online friends". After 10+ years of playing LoL off and on, I have zero friends in this game. I don't know what it would be like to play with real friends like you do. I have tried to play with acquaintances a few times and it was terrible because of the skill difference. Your mistakes and your teammates mistakes hurt so much more in MOBA games that it's hard to not get upset with each other's performances. Imagine playing an FPS game and because your teammate died a few times, now one of the enemies can one shot you by shooting you in the leg once with an assault rifle. It just feels so bad to play. It feels bad losing to your teammates mistakes (your own mistakes too of course) so you google or youtube how to get better at the game. You learn a few things and maybe get a tiny bit better, but the problem never goes away. You can look at challengers streaming on Twitch and they still flame each other even when they're better than 99% of players. I don't think the problem ever will go away no matter how much better I get at the game. It's just how things are in MOBA games. Sounds like I should just go back to playing MMOs or FPS games, but I feel like the MMOs I've played were unicorns that don't exist anymore and the FPS games are all weird now days like you either have super powers or it's a battle royale where you have to run around looting stuff off the ground like a speedrunner. How do you even get into those games? How do you even know what you're picking up? I would have to sit there reading everything while someone just runs up and kills me before I know what's going on or what the item I just picked up does. This got way longer than I expected. Sorry for venting my frustrations on you, stranger. I should probably click Cancel, but I feel like it's bad to keep holding all this in. I wish I knew a better/healthier way to vent so that I don't bottle things up or lash out at people I care about. :(
@@biofreak03 There are still server based FPS in existence if you're into those. You just have to search. Tremulous is one I played like 10 years ago or so but it should still be going. Also the example you described with teammate FPS to try and compare to MOBAs has always been around ngl... If your team's getting clapped in CS 1.6, the enemy has AWPs and rifles while your team has smgs or pistols. If your team's losing map control in Halo, the power weapons snowball in the winning team's favor. For MMORPGs you really just have to pick and choose something that you jive with, then actively look for communities. Oldschool Runescape and Guild Wars 2 aren't bad places to start. If you want to play popular FPS like Valorant and stuff, my recommendation is to try your best to go out of your way to add people after a good game who seem nice. You'll make friends with people who are your skill level and it should be at least somewhat reciprocal if they accept your friend request. I used to do this tonsssss back in the day and just play with online acquaintances both in LoL and F2P CS knock offs back in my tween years. It doesn't always work, but you gotta put your best foot forward if you want ppl to play with!
I think on the increasing mental stack question, the way I think about it is it's a cognitive processing ability, like in rhythm games you have a "Reading ability" where you process patterns with different difficulties, and one area of reading skill is high density which probably has the highest cognitive load for all skills. The question almost seemed like it was trying to aim towards this sort of how to improve cognitive processing ability, which atleast in rhythm games is by 1. Making the conscious execution of patterns unconscious so your brain has to use less energy to process and execute the patterns. 2. Over reaching density to increase your capacity over time much like lifting weights and working up to a new PR.
First time catching a release in real time, Good time to be a BBC fan! Coming back after a 4 year break and your vids helped me get back in and have a good relationship with the game
Ive been a player who hops from one random champ to one of a completely different playstyle and ive been stuck in gold for about as long as ive played the game (started league around neeko's release) and ive been in gold since. Ive finally decided i like top lane most with mid as a secondary. Ive also decided on playing gwen now as shes a champ i like the anesthetics of, and she can teamfight and splitpush really well. Im wondering as ive played 80 games with her straight and im still having fun playing her, and this alludes to late in this podcast episode, but should i play another champ similar to her for several games to get more perspectives? As ive tried out chanps like viego, renekton, volibear, fiora and camille and ive disliked their weaknesses way more than gwen. Ive been trying to watch higher elo gameplay of gwen to see how they use her kit and when they use her abilities. Ive only been able to pick up on some things but what i struggle the most with is deciding when to split push or teamfight in gold, how to trade in lane, and how to manage waves in general. I have a good idea of how to play her in the mid and late game but my early game is a heavy diceroll and i try to focus ok csing hard while stacking up qs for lane harrass. I know how to do wave management in theory but when i play, my brain turns to pudding unless its slow pushing and fast pushing which i can do
Never think that someone has to become a god laner if you climb a bit higher ive faced harder plat laners than master laners but overall master player is way better. Some top laners pride themselves in 1v1 and dominating lane but splitpush dont play objectives and play awfully with the team meanwhile some dude who is passive in lane way to much but plays macro and with his team really well and shows up to objectives.
“Are my Friends hurting my climb? - Chio”. This one I HAD to respond to. I would advise to make another account to secretly play on. (The one time I think it would be good advice to have a secret Smurf account - MAKE SURE YOU DON’T TELL ANYONE about your other account because if you tell one person, you tell the whole world.)
On the topic of barrier of entry at the 1 hour mark, imo a higher barrier of entry actually lowers the respect of the activity. I personally respect the top people in those fields less than I do fields with a low barrier of entry and I'm sure others do as well. Mainly just because the sample size of competitors is naturally smaller, it's easier to be the top of a niche field than a very contested field, like I'll just pick a random winter sport like skiing, I don't think as highly of a professional skiier as I do someone who plays soccer professionally, simply because the barrier of entry to skiing is based on where you live in the world and how much money you have in contrast to soccer where you are competing against more people than any other sport and literally anyone can play and practice it.
Thanks for the reply fellas, Joe here. Gaming and video games is definitely a loaded term and there’s so much work that needs to be done to change that term. Whether it’s sheer hard work or overtime things will change we never know the future. Love you boys ❤
Milio was hot fix nerfed within the same patch he was released so there was no time to get too much LP. All of the subsequent nerfs were because he has too much pro play presence. Before the nerfs he had the same winrate as soraka and sona. IF he was op for solo Q then why they aren't
Caduce's question makes me think there might be a problem with how you guys use certain terminology in your podcast that a first time viewer has never heard of before and has no idea what you're talking about. I think I've had the same experience on a previous episode where something was briefly brought up and I just had to make guesses as to what it meant or what you were talking about.
They might've taken a severe break, gotten lucky, or even just careless with how they play with narratives over time. I can tell you that my friend who took a 2 year break because of their required military service who almost got to Diamond in 2019 was struggling in Gold for a few months when he came back to the game in 2021. And that was with him playing a few casual games every few weeks during his service to not get too rusty on his mechanics (still was quite rusty due to the quality of the games and sparseness of them). My point being that there's more going on than the player base getting better over time as a whole if that guy was Plat once and is now Silver 3 years later. I have a friend who is still only barely able to touch Plat (Emerald now) every season currently despite never taking real breaks from the game. He's been stagnant there for 3 or 4 years now. Playing the game and actively trying to improve don't always automatically go hand in hand.
Can you guys point me in the direction of genuine quality content for adc please? I love your guys mindset approach to the game, but need more adc specifics as well. Keep up the good work guys! 😊
On the point of the game needing to be lifted up by those at the top and one day accepted by the mainstream; the comparisons to ufc are interesting but I always worry that at the end of the day the whole game is owned and run by a video game company. It feels like a shaky foundation compared to other "sports". I don't know if there's a solution for that though. Nature of the beast.
there also isn't a blindly obvious positive, that Nathan was talking about. playing an actual sport, just running around is a blind positive, let alone the required teamwork. whats video games' blind positive?
Imma answer this before the video. People start to take League less seriously the more you have exceptionally (edit before I hit comment. this is more of the willfully ignorant and inflexible player, not a bad player. League isn't an FPS) bad teammates. When your ASol has a bad early, but refuses to just farm and scale while the team stalls, and ends up with 17 deaths, you wonder why you should try hard if your team won't. (I'm not mad about my three block today or anything.)
I really wanna like this podcast. I agree with the ideas presented by the hosts until one host makes it seem like he thinks the other host is an idiot. In no way can I confirm that Curtis doesn't think he should have a co host, but he does think he's smart and has a hard time listening to other perspectives. When opinions are given his response is always "well it's more like.." Definitely not hating but this vibe does take away from the pod for me
Because the game is garbage. It needs to be fixed. Thats why everyone is shitting on it. You have an entire community agreeing that the game isn't what it used to be and riotards instead of addressing the issue they are making it worse.
When you play a sport: wow so impressive! You're so motivated and hard working! When you play a competitive video game that also takes skill and effort: boo gamer addict go touch grass
i disagree i think champion mastery does not mean a thing because it does not deteriorate i honestly believe this is a big problem people think they are amazing on champions that they haven't played in months and on top of that it doesn't even reset when the champion is reworked i have quit the game many many times and your outlook on game reviews and perspectives has helped me enjoy it more but low elo is just too full of players that give up/afk/sabotage games because they cannot stay focused on playing the game out and trying to win a game
Before watching the video, I would like to answer this question. Because Riot doesn't take it seriously either, and I'm not talking about skin sales and all of that silly shit, It's not about action, it's the LACK of action, let's talk about toxicity primarily, yes, the game is in a much better state now than it has ever been before, there are many types but I'll address the main three, the chatters, the game ruiners, and the 4fun gamers. 1. Chatters need to be chat restricted for longer, much longer, granted, I think it needs to lock out their team chat too, since it's not very useful in the grand scheme of things and what prompts most players to type anyway. 2. The big bad, inters, sprinters "I don't care anymore" group, you do that in a competitive environment and your warning should be an instant 2 week ban, with a warning that your next penalty will be permanent, it takes far too long today, you can occasionally Cleanse Ghost it up and not get caught for months, there should be a much faster action, albeit with mostly the same results, the one thing Riot does well in a competitive scope, sometimes, most of the time, slowly but surely. The hardest group to put in here, but they're arguably the biggest group in this category albeit not as harsh as the other two, the soft-inters, the first timers, the role stealers, the Baus fanboys (It's not funny or cute in Diamond-) Jungle camp stealers, fat wave stealers, the "Oops I'm Yone support?! XD" they all need to get a separate penalty that Riot has talked about in the past, and that's Ranked lock out, you have to do a set number of games in normals before you can play Soloque again, I'd go as far as to say that the second penalty should be a permanent lock out from Ranked game modes for the season if the player in question keeps showing time and time again that they don't care about improving at the game, they can still play League of Legends in all modes that don't have a set ranking, they just can't play ranked. tl;dr Riot doesn't care itself, Riot needs to be more strict, Riot needs to lock players who don't care from Ranked.
I don't think some of the examples used in the "4fun gamers" group should be in that group. An inter is an inter. Don't group them with people that are just trying to have fun. It's also not fair to say that people trying to have fun are ruining the game. It's a game. You're supposed to have fun playing games. It's certainly harder to have fun playing MOBAs, but it is still a game and most people play it to have fun.
@@biofreak03 I guess I wasn't descriptive enough in some of them, the point is that having fun at the expense of others shouldn't be allowed, Yuumi jungle, Yone support are fun for some people, they even have fun when they're 0/13/1, the question is, is their fun acceptable or not?
I think locking people out of ranked is a very very good way of punishing people for bad behaviour. And yea, 2 weeks and permanent afterwards sounds good to me
@@JustShotsForMeh I guess I'm not sure where the line is between an off meta pick and a troll pick. I feel like it's harder to see the line in this game and the effects of actions in this game are felt more intensely. If I wanted to use knife only in an all weapons permitted Combat Arms elimination match and our team lost because I got a bad k/d they wouldn't be freaking out like LoL players do. People in LoL really do freak out about the smallest things though. You ask them a simple yes/no question and they lose their minds. Ask the top laner which champion wins the matchup and they somehow think you're blaming them for doing bad instead of literally just wanting to know how the matchup goes. You're using a build they've never seen before and they're telling everyone to report you, even if you got it from looking at probuilds/opgg/top players/etc. Things that are super obvious where there's no room for interpretation of course should be punished like jungle Yuumi. This shouldn't need to be said.
@@biofreak03 Agreed. But there's a reason why League of Legends players are so volatile, it's because this is the hardest game in the world, and once you get to a certain level, every tiny detail that happens dictates if you are going to waste the next 20 minutes of your life or have fun in the video game. I never play the meta, for the record, it's not about meta, I play on EUW, where I once had a Shaco support who took smite, and sent me and our team a spread sheet of what his strategy consists of (Basically double jungling and playing around jungle), and even made sub-categories of what every role should ideally play like, he popped off, and I played jungle, therefore I popped off, if the guy went 0/10, and didn't send this spread sheet, then he's just a random shitter who ruined the game for 4 other people, and should be penalized for it using the EXACT SAME strategy, the fine line was one did it knowing what he's doing and communicating it clearly, and the other does it without the knowledge or experience, AKA, first timing, 4funing it, the very fine line I want Riot to be in touch with.
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RE: "Are friends hurting my climb" - Dude, that aint a healthy friendship. Stand up for yourself, play league as you want, and if your friend isn't okay with that and throws a fit, well they can deal with it. If that's a deal breaker for the friendship, it wasn't really a friendship to begin with.
Hugely this. If someone doesn't ultimately have your best interest in mind, then that's not a friend you wanna keep around anyways. I'm sure there's more nuance to the situation, but I hope that person knows that they deserve better friends than that.
My friends were not ok. And I didn't care, 7 years later and I still play with them whenever I want. This man is right so listen to him. Btw, friends really hurts grinds, just listening to mine talking about the game makes me worse.
@ranolol it's not even just friends, duoing (unless both people have the same mentality and understanding of the game) is a bad ideea. You will most likely end up bouncing frustrations and negative outlook of off each other.
This year I went from b2 to g2 then found a duo, played togheter for a while I went back to b2. Took a break, came back with a different outlook, went from b2 to plat 3. Made the mistake of duoing with the same person went back to p4 ( though this may have happened even without him) it made the playing experience extremely frustrating. So yeah duo for fun in normals, to try things, to just enjoy playing the game but for actual climbing I would not recommend it.
It's over. Curtis shaved.
The return of the king
I forgot he look like this when i first watch him lol
Wtf is that Lux doing? Lmao
01:02:05 - Being from Brazil I can confirm this. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is huge, people really take it seriously that's one of the reason Brazil has such great fighters, this movement is stronger in Rio De Janeiro where the Grace family teaches it. The dedication and time they put in mastering this art is really unbelievable, Judo is also really big here.
My body is completely destroyed from jiu-jitsu. Not so much normal training or competition, but specifically training for competition. Preparing your body to compete in combat sports is grueling, so much more so than the actual competition itself. That said I would do it all over again.
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@@nikolas20762 Bom ver um brazuca por aqui :)
For Chio: You make a second account. You solo queue on that. duo with him on the other. If this person still has issues, they're not your friend.
On the topic at 29:14, I wanna tell that person to run. Far. If that friend guilt trips you for A GAME, imagine how far that same person would go to trip you in other aspects. No way, bro, you have to look after yourself first, then to others. You can't be pleasing others when you aren't pleased yourself. It's not going to be a comfortable conversation with your friend, but you are the one that decides what you play. If you only duo queue, it has to be because YOU want to only duo queue, not because someone else forces you to.
Thanks for responding to my question! I guess to give more context for you guys and potential viewers - the question I asked in the referenced episode was about how I could hit Challenger in one year from Silver because my mom gave me that time to go pro - otherwise I had to take a new education which I'm now two years into. Back then I mained Cassiopeia and Azir - now I left Azir behind for the most part. I still enjoy playing him in flex and normals but I'm not good enough at the game to play him in my soloqueue games yet. You guys told me it would be basically impossible which I honestly got mad about but at the same time I understood it. I really wanted to prove you wrong but my ranked anxiety got in the way of it which only pissed me off more and prevented learning for a long time. While I always took the game seriously and tried to win it took me until about a month ago to get back into actually focusing on learning again. As a part of that prosec I'm finally a part of the MLS now and my improvement has only gotten better now that I have specific learning objectives. I'd highly recommend MSL/MLA to anyone out there who isn't in it already!
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Are you playing in US?
@@andretortolano No I’m in Denmark - Northen Europe
@honkpillado Oh I don’t aim for it anymore - thank you though!
In 2019 as a GM player I gave my 110% to go pro. I sacrificed a LOT of untangible things, including my health. And eventually, I had to give up on it. Aiming to go pro from silver in one year is like planning on climbing Mount Everest next year all the way up to the top, when currently you barely know the basics of rock climbing.
Friends flaming teammates is so similar to sports fan rivalries! That was so insightful never thought about that
no its just shitty toxicity
I love League of Legends and I'm tired of the mainstream opinion of it being that it's a terrible game for losers, only because a lot of people can't handle their emotions when playing ranked. I really hope this changes in the future because it's embarrassing to share the rift with these immature clowns.
Get your point but as i get older and play the game more in periods of time rather than perma I can't claim that I have ever experinced a bigger concentration of total human garbage in my life (outside of Hitlerfans and 4 chan junk). It is sad but the amount of rassist trash, people who enjoy to troll just to piss of there team and people who conect there self worth to there lol rank...
Damn I really relate with the second guy Michel, I went from low diamond to d1 almost stomping every game at the end of the season, and I kept feeling like I'm just lucky or there is a glitch in the system that puts me versus bad players, I realize now that I had d1/master in such high pedestal.
i am better than you i am iron 3 >:)
"I've lost my mind many times"
Coach Curtis
10 season Challenger
Lina's question reminds me of when I was playing normal games. I would find myself playing Bottom and there would often times be a 3 man premade on my team. Their worst player is usually put in the Support position. I would get flamed for anything I do wrong or "wrong" (when I'm doing the right thing and get flamed anyway). Their friend on the Support role would usually (not always) be playing much worse than myself and I'm sitting there thinking to myself... "How can they say X or Y thing to me, when their friend is right here playing worse than I am? Are they not ashamed of what they're doing? Does their friend not feel like shit reading what their premades are typing to me?
It’s an online game I feel like most premades don’t care too much tbh since they’re talking together and you’re a random to them. just mute and go one
you're overthinking it, they are just raging in the spur of the moment, they won't be ashamed and they'll forget about what they typed by next game
got a lot to think about here, i will definitely try dedicating more blocks to a secondary champion, thank you guys very much!
I feel like people sometimes flame because they know if someone else is the designated scapegoat first then they'll be safe from getting flamed. Pre-emptive strike
lets get granular on this one - new tshirt
I had this conversation with someone yesterday about the people that don’t see the value in a video game hobby.
The people who will watch Netflix for 6 hours, or scroll their social medias forever. The thing is, league of legends caters to a group of people who are extremely motivated by dopamine stimulation. People who love to stimulate their mind with strategic, intellectual challenges.
We came to a pretty toxic conclusion, but I truly believe that if a person can zombie out on Netflix all day, and can’t see the value of the game to a person, they are just not intellectually capable of perceiving it.
Couldn't disagree more with your bs, sry but this is just a matter of taste to be intressted or not in gaming or more spezific competing with others.
To give an example the only two persons I personaly know well that have/had a high rank were more of addicts than anything else and sucked at school so hard you couldn't even belive it.
It is the same with many things in life, you are intrested in something, enjoy it and comit time to it you will get better till a certain limit. A friend of mine who played semi professional csgo for example realy sucks at improving in RTS games because he basicly only enjoys playing the game with friends and get nostalgia rewards from the time he was 12 and played age of mythology on lans with friends who all sucked.
Competing in general and even more in games is a niche thing, most people just wanna have fun and realx from real life not dedicate there life to the game.
Big hugs from Paraguay Curtis and Nathan!
Nice shave curtis looks rly good i actually prefer to be clean shaven as well feels very nice.
Bad move shaving in the winter. Need to keep that face warm. Another bearded brother casualty.
Wow I remember that Swiffer episode, had no idea who he was back then, and now look where he is haha
30:00 dr k is awesome
one of the best bbc episodes in recent memory. must watch and must save for future watch.
haven't watched the video but to answer the title without context, i don't take league seriously bc i have a full time job and play league to spend time with my friends and just chill. i rarely ever play solo q anymore. maybe 20 games in an entire year? used to be plat 2 before i stopped taking the game seriously and i honestly am so much happier and have so much more fun now just playing norms and aram. league is more about the friends i play with and trying to do things however i feel like doing them, no matter how inefficient it may be (or at least that's what it is for me).
I miss playing games with friends AND strangers. Being able to just hop into an MMORPG or FPS game and chat with whoever was around was great. Now I play LoL and my own teammates are telling me to kill myself and because of the way matchmaking works, you aren't likely to see the same people the next game so you have no reason to be friendly with them. Even though you're on a team with 4 other people, you're playing alone.
In all the other games I've played online, I would make "online friends". After 10+ years of playing LoL off and on, I have zero friends in this game. I don't know what it would be like to play with real friends like you do. I have tried to play with acquaintances a few times and it was terrible because of the skill difference. Your mistakes and your teammates mistakes hurt so much more in MOBA games that it's hard to not get upset with each other's performances. Imagine playing an FPS game and because your teammate died a few times, now one of the enemies can one shot you by shooting you in the leg once with an assault rifle. It just feels so bad to play.
It feels bad losing to your teammates mistakes (your own mistakes too of course) so you google or youtube how to get better at the game. You learn a few things and maybe get a tiny bit better, but the problem never goes away. You can look at challengers streaming on Twitch and they still flame each other even when they're better than 99% of players. I don't think the problem ever will go away no matter how much better I get at the game. It's just how things are in MOBA games.
Sounds like I should just go back to playing MMOs or FPS games, but I feel like the MMOs I've played were unicorns that don't exist anymore and the FPS games are all weird now days like you either have super powers or it's a battle royale where you have to run around looting stuff off the ground like a speedrunner. How do you even get into those games? How do you even know what you're picking up? I would have to sit there reading everything while someone just runs up and kills me before I know what's going on or what the item I just picked up does.
This got way longer than I expected. Sorry for venting my frustrations on you, stranger. I should probably click Cancel, but I feel like it's bad to keep holding all this in. I wish I knew a better/healthier way to vent so that I don't bottle things up or lash out at people I care about. :(
@@biofreak03 There are still server based FPS in existence if you're into those. You just have to search. Tremulous is one I played like 10 years ago or so but it should still be going.
Also the example you described with teammate FPS to try and compare to MOBAs has always been around ngl... If your team's getting clapped in CS 1.6, the enemy has AWPs and rifles while your team has smgs or pistols. If your team's losing map control in Halo, the power weapons snowball in the winning team's favor.
For MMORPGs you really just have to pick and choose something that you jive with, then actively look for communities. Oldschool Runescape and Guild Wars 2 aren't bad places to start.
If you want to play popular FPS like Valorant and stuff, my recommendation is to try your best to go out of your way to add people after a good game who seem nice. You'll make friends with people who are your skill level and it should be at least somewhat reciprocal if they accept your friend request.
I used to do this tonsssss back in the day and just play with online acquaintances both in LoL and F2P CS knock offs back in my tween years. It doesn't always work, but you gotta put your best foot forward if you want ppl to play with!
Personally love the raw thumbnails, no homo.
I think on the increasing mental stack question, the way I think about it is it's a cognitive processing ability, like in rhythm games you have a "Reading ability" where you process patterns with different difficulties, and one area of reading skill is high density which probably has the highest cognitive load for all skills.
The question almost seemed like it was trying to aim towards this sort of how to improve cognitive processing ability, which atleast in rhythm games is by
1. Making the conscious execution of patterns unconscious so your brain has to use less energy to process and execute the patterns.
2. Over reaching density to increase your capacity over time much like lifting weights and working up to a new PR.
First time catching a release in real time, Good time to be a BBC fan!
Coming back after a 4 year break and your vids helped me get back in and have a good relationship with the game
Ive been a player who hops from one random champ to one of a completely different playstyle and ive been stuck in gold for about as long as ive played the game (started league around neeko's release) and ive been in gold since. Ive finally decided i like top lane most with mid as a secondary. Ive also decided on playing gwen now as shes a champ i like the anesthetics of, and she can teamfight and splitpush really well. Im wondering as ive played 80 games with her straight and im still having fun playing her, and this alludes to late in this podcast episode, but should i play another champ similar to her for several games to get more perspectives? As ive tried out chanps like viego, renekton, volibear, fiora and camille and ive disliked their weaknesses way more than gwen. Ive been trying to watch higher elo gameplay of gwen to see how they use her kit and when they use her abilities. Ive only been able to pick up on some things but what i struggle the most with is deciding when to split push or teamfight in gold, how to trade in lane, and how to manage waves in general. I have a good idea of how to play her in the mid and late game but my early game is a heavy diceroll and i try to focus ok csing hard while stacking up qs for lane harrass. I know how to do wave management in theory but when i play, my brain turns to pudding unless its slow pushing and fast pushing which i can do
Never think that someone has to become a god laner if you climb a bit higher ive faced harder plat laners than master laners but overall master player is way better. Some top laners pride themselves in 1v1 and dominating lane but splitpush dont play objectives and play awfully with the team meanwhile some dude who is passive in lane way to much but plays macro and with his team really well and shows up to objectives.
whoa the OP shave
“Are my Friends hurting my climb? - Chio”. This one I HAD to respond to. I would advise to make another account to secretly play on. (The one time I think it would be good advice to have a secret Smurf account - MAKE SURE YOU DON’T TELL ANYONE about your other account because if you tell one person, you tell the whole world.)
Big Nate filling out the DW merch.
We've a new coach on the left xD
Clean Curtis means it’s time to get back on the rift
Congrats on the shave Curtis I hope you enjoy it but we will all miss that glorious beard
Dude Coach Curtis looks 10 years younger from that shave
Nice shave
On the topic of barrier of entry at the 1 hour mark, imo a higher barrier of entry actually lowers the respect of the activity. I personally respect the top people in those fields less than I do fields with a low barrier of entry and I'm sure others do as well. Mainly just because the sample size of competitors is naturally smaller, it's easier to be the top of a niche field than a very contested field, like I'll just pick a random winter sport like skiing, I don't think as highly of a professional skiier as I do someone who plays soccer professionally, simply because the barrier of entry to skiing is based on where you live in the world and how much money you have in contrast to soccer where you are competing against more people than any other sport and literally anyone can play and practice it.
Thanks for the reply fellas, Joe here. Gaming and video games is definitely a loaded term and there’s so much work that needs to be done to change that term. Whether it’s sheer hard work or overtime things will change we never know the future. Love you boys ❤
What needs to change about it? The truth is that many people waste their lives playing games pointlessly. The stigma is not without some merit
1:12:19 lmao why'd you say that... me and probably thousands of viewers had to manually breath for a bit after that one
God damn Curtis aint kidding with those guns
LETS GO!
16:50 it's called a rubric
Milio was hot fix nerfed within the same patch he was released so there was no time to get too much LP.
All of the subsequent nerfs were because he has too much pro play presence. Before the nerfs he had the same winrate as soraka and sona. IF he was op for solo Q then why they aren't
please please do a case study on broxahs fill to challenger challenge
31:00 bruh.
Caduce's question makes me think there might be a problem with how you guys use certain terminology in your podcast that a first time viewer has never heard of before and has no idea what you're talking about. I think I've had the same experience on a previous episode where something was briefly brought up and I just had to make guesses as to what it meant or what you were talking about.
I mean they can't go every single episode explaining what each term means either. It's a tricky thing.
37:10
"Now I have reached platinum before in 2020"
Now that's just depressing to hear as a Silver player
They might've taken a severe break, gotten lucky, or even just careless with how they play with narratives over time.
I can tell you that my friend who took a 2 year break because of their required military service who almost got to Diamond in 2019 was struggling in Gold for a few months when he came back to the game in 2021. And that was with him playing a few casual games every few weeks during his service to not get too rusty on his mechanics (still was quite rusty due to the quality of the games and sparseness of them).
My point being that there's more going on than the player base getting better over time as a whole if that guy was Plat once and is now Silver 3 years later. I have a friend who is still only barely able to touch Plat (Emerald now) every season currently despite never taking real breaks from the game. He's been stagnant there for 3 or 4 years now. Playing the game and actively trying to improve don't always automatically go hand in hand.
@@Freakattaker So we're fcked either way
Can you guys point me in the direction of genuine quality content for adc please? I love your guys mindset approach to the game, but need more adc specifics as well. Keep up the good work guys! 😊
to the are my friends hurting climb q, play n smurf?
you look so cute with the shave mr curtis
Bbc Mondays !!!!
Formula 1 drivers have to invest tons of money thats why its usually rich kids even in karting.
Curtis looks young again xd
who is the good looking fella on the left? damn
Cuz it’s just a game
"Are friends hurting my climb"
Why are you in such relationship? Learn to stand for urself... Get rid of toxic ppl in your life.
Because it's a video game?
On the point of the game needing to be lifted up by those at the top and one day accepted by the mainstream; the comparisons to ufc are interesting but I always worry that at the end of the day the whole game is owned and run by a video game company. It feels like a shaky foundation compared to other "sports". I don't know if there's a solution for that though. Nature of the beast.
Even sports have issues with federations, associations and the influence of public and private companies
there also isn't a blindly obvious positive, that Nathan was talking about. playing an actual sport, just running around is a blind positive, let alone the required teamwork. whats video games' blind positive?
Baby Curtis skin
Imma answer this before the video. People start to take League less seriously the more you have exceptionally (edit before I hit comment. this is more of the willfully ignorant and inflexible player, not a bad player. League isn't an FPS) bad teammates. When your ASol has a bad early, but refuses to just farm and scale while the team stalls, and ends up with 17 deaths, you wonder why you should try hard if your team won't. (I'm not mad about my three block today or anything.)
Well that wasn't what it was about XD. Good section though!
STOP SAYING HIAR I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE SAY IT NORMALLY LORD HELP ME
I really wanna like this podcast. I agree with the ideas presented by the hosts until one host makes it seem like he thinks the other host is an idiot. In no way can I confirm that Curtis doesn't think he should have a co host, but he does think he's smart and has a hard time listening to other perspectives. When opinions are given his response is always "well it's more like.."
Definitely not hating but this vibe does take away from the pod for me
we gamers are so oppressed!
Promo>SM 😌
Because the game is garbage. It needs to be fixed. Thats why everyone is shitting on it. You have an entire community agreeing that the game isn't what it used to be and riotards instead of addressing the issue they are making it worse.
When you play a sport: wow so impressive! You're so motivated and hard working!
When you play a competitive video game that also takes skill and effort: boo gamer addict go touch grass
i disagree i think champion mastery does not mean a thing because it does not deteriorate i honestly believe this is a big problem people think they are amazing on champions that they haven't played in months and on top of that it doesn't even reset when the champion is reworked i have quit the game many many times and your outlook on game reviews and perspectives has helped me enjoy it more but low elo is just too full of players that give up/afk/sabotage games because they cannot stay focused on playing the game out and trying to win a game
Before watching the video, I would like to answer this question.
Because Riot doesn't take it seriously either, and I'm not talking about skin sales and all of that silly shit, It's not about action, it's the LACK of action, let's talk about toxicity primarily, yes, the game is in a much better state now than it has ever been before, there are many types but I'll address the main three, the chatters, the game ruiners, and the 4fun gamers.
1. Chatters need to be chat restricted for longer, much longer, granted, I think it needs to lock out their team chat too, since it's not very useful in the grand scheme of things and what prompts most players to type anyway.
2. The big bad, inters, sprinters "I don't care anymore" group, you do that in a competitive environment and your warning should be an instant 2 week ban, with a warning that your next penalty will be permanent, it takes far too long today, you can occasionally Cleanse Ghost it up and not get caught for months, there should be a much faster action, albeit with mostly the same results, the one thing Riot does well in a competitive scope, sometimes, most of the time, slowly but surely.
The hardest group to put in here, but they're arguably the biggest group in this category albeit not as harsh as the other two, the soft-inters, the first timers, the role stealers, the Baus fanboys (It's not funny or cute in Diamond-) Jungle camp stealers, fat wave stealers, the "Oops I'm Yone support?! XD" they all need to get a separate penalty that Riot has talked about in the past, and that's Ranked lock out, you have to do a set number of games in normals before you can play Soloque again, I'd go as far as to say that the second penalty should be a permanent lock out from Ranked game modes for the season if the player in question keeps showing time and time again that they don't care about improving at the game, they can still play League of Legends in all modes that don't have a set ranking, they just can't play ranked.
tl;dr Riot doesn't care itself, Riot needs to be more strict, Riot needs to lock players who don't care from Ranked.
I don't think some of the examples used in the "4fun gamers" group should be in that group. An inter is an inter. Don't group them with people that are just trying to have fun. It's also not fair to say that people trying to have fun are ruining the game. It's a game. You're supposed to have fun playing games. It's certainly harder to have fun playing MOBAs, but it is still a game and most people play it to have fun.
@@biofreak03 I guess I wasn't descriptive enough in some of them, the point is that having fun at the expense of others shouldn't be allowed, Yuumi jungle, Yone support are fun for some people, they even have fun when they're 0/13/1, the question is, is their fun acceptable or not?
I think locking people out of ranked is a very very good way of punishing people for bad behaviour.
And yea, 2 weeks and permanent afterwards sounds good to me
@@JustShotsForMeh I guess I'm not sure where the line is between an off meta pick and a troll pick. I feel like it's harder to see the line in this game and the effects of actions in this game are felt more intensely. If I wanted to use knife only in an all weapons permitted Combat Arms elimination match and our team lost because I got a bad k/d they wouldn't be freaking out like LoL players do.
People in LoL really do freak out about the smallest things though. You ask them a simple yes/no question and they lose their minds. Ask the top laner which champion wins the matchup and they somehow think you're blaming them for doing bad instead of literally just wanting to know how the matchup goes. You're using a build they've never seen before and they're telling everyone to report you, even if you got it from looking at probuilds/opgg/top players/etc.
Things that are super obvious where there's no room for interpretation of course should be punished like jungle Yuumi. This shouldn't need to be said.
@@biofreak03 Agreed. But there's a reason why League of Legends players are so volatile, it's because this is the hardest game in the world, and once you get to a certain level, every tiny detail that happens dictates if you are going to waste the next 20 minutes of your life or have fun in the video game.
I never play the meta, for the record, it's not about meta, I play on EUW, where I once had a Shaco support who took smite, and sent me and our team a spread sheet of what his strategy consists of (Basically double jungling and playing around jungle), and even made sub-categories of what every role should ideally play like, he popped off, and I played jungle, therefore I popped off, if the guy went 0/10, and didn't send this spread sheet, then he's just a random shitter who ruined the game for 4 other people, and should be penalized for it using the EXACT SAME strategy, the fine line was one did it knowing what he's doing and communicating it clearly, and the other does it without the knowledge or experience, AKA, first timing, 4funing it, the very fine line I want Riot to be in touch with.