PUTTING A CLUTCH In An AUTOMATIC Porsche 944 *Am I Crazy?*
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2020
- The $500 1987 Porsche 944 is running, but now we're tackling the reason it was parked in the first place. We're replacing the $1,693 rubber flywheel with a rubber center clutch out of a manual transmission car. This works because the clutch and flywheel versions were meant to sit inside the same bellhousing and drive the torque tube. The clutch is permanently applied and should never slip.
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You two guys working together get shit DONE. I'm digging it. I hope this car pans out for you, John. On a side note, you're not gonna snooze the R8, are you??? We've ALL been waiting a L O N G time on that girl!!! Thanks guys! Oh, and don't forget that "Miss Christina drove a 944"............welcome to the Boom Town!
I love to watch your work on your car. I am an eighty one y/o female. My dad was the best body and fender man. You would love to watch him work. I guess I inherited some of his gene when it comes to cars although I am retired RN (nurse). Good job you two.
The only person to have a 100k German automobile in his garage, that gets excited about a 500 dollar one he has saved from the junkyard.
I love this channel ❤️
"I only lost because my clutch was slipping"
"Bro its an automatic"
Best comment
Automatic transmissions have clutches, lots of them, and the can fail and slip. I understand the confusion because there is no clutch pedal!
Yeah Auto trans have clutch packs that work in a similar way and can slip
When you pulled out the JB Weld I realized once again why I love your channel. You sir, are a man who is not afraid of a good ghetto rigging. 😂
If it is stupid, but it works... :)
It is not a critical bracket. I would have 'backed up' the JB Weld with drilling and tapping for a small screw . . . but, as he said, the connector was only for diagnostic tests.
It's called macgyverisms
Leonard Daneman even that’s unnecessary jb weld will hold
Great to see you putting these cars back into service. Fun to watch as well.
You need to get the red Porsche jacket from the 80s now. With Porsche written down the side of the arm. Hahahahaha
And slick back your hair.
I usually find when I buy a product that I use less than once a year, If I throw away the left over because there's no point keeping it... I will need some within a week.
Yay! You passed the test! Lol. I replaced the clutch in an '81 931 in my garage on a dirt floor with no lift. That was years ago when the only assistance was the 2 other guys in the world (one in Australia and one in California) who owned the same car and had gone through it before who sent advice by email from the old porschephiles email reflector. Can't remember the trick to removing the torque tube from the front but I seem to recall it wasn't easy. Maybe worked through the inspection hole and the starter hole. Don't remember. I do recall driving it to a friend's lift to reinstall the exhaust because by that point the frustration was too great. Just could not get the thing back up where it had to go. It sat still for a long time waiting for parts, so without the exhaust, oily smoke was coming out the naca duct in the hood. You could hear the bark of the engine through the loud whine of the turbo. Got lots of attention at stoplights. ;-) I remember something about rubber centered clutches in the 924S and the 944s. People replaced them with metal components as a routine operation. Never had anything to do with any automatics. Can't recall anybody on the old mail reflector who drove one. Fun to watch somebody else suffer to do it and to realize what liars people are who say it can be done in anything under a long full day ;-) Most shops in those days wouldn't touch it. To tie up a hoist for one and potentially two days would run up a bill that most customers wouldn't be happy to pay. So, they would just quote a ridiculous price (I was seriously quoted $5,000 by one shop) or tell you flat out, "no". SO, we get the joy of doing it alone. Lol.
ahh dont forget dent back the spare tire bucket like a half inch use a sledge yea i did one on my back only jack stands oh five speed am 60 yrs old took 5 hrs pressure plate n clurch
It's not the clutch. It's an automatic. He's replacing the rubber damper plate.
@@miguelcastaneda7236 If you dented your spare tire well, you don't know what you're doing. No need to damage your Porsche in order to work on it.
Love it when you are messing with cars that most people would get towed to the crusher.
exactly what I would have done with that pos
Yall are crazy. Crush a classic Porsche. That's a good car. Good gas mileage. One of the best driving cars of all time. Also easily modified to make more power.
Its a good parts car at the very least (there is still a height demand for 944 parts)
Most people who don't have a real interest in cars, would just see a repair bill for more than they think the car is worth, so will scrap the car, no matter what make and model. They won't know what it is worth in parts, or have the room or skill the break the car up and sell the bits. It's why thousands of classic cars in the UK disappeared when the Government introduced a scrappage scheme. Go check the scheme out
It’s fun to do and watch!
Backing out of the shop with the: 🎶"Pop up up and down headliiiiights!!"
You’re gonna ditch the phone dials?? They’re so cool though.
@mike brink that's what you call the style of these wheels, especially in Alfa Romeo world
IIRC Porsche’s book rate to change out a clutch on a 944 is something crazy like 18 hours and there always seems to be special Porsche tools that are needed when you diy, so it’s pretty amazing u guys were able to do this 🙂
Loved the straight pipe jab - that was on point man - great stuff!
Put those adhesives in the shed fridge and the shelf life is a lot longer - a tip I got from a two part epoxy manufacturer :)
Some of the high end stuff has a one year shelf life. We kept it in the fridge and I tested 2yr old kept in fridge vs new for pull out force on a joint and it was close. Main difference was it seemed you need to mix the two parts at room temp not straight out of the fridge.
Great video man very informative and I'm glad everything worked out for you for sure . Stay safe stay well and God bless
You guys do brilliant work!
Plenty of JB Weld left to seal up that transmission "cup" leak. Just saying. :)
That is a monster effort. The power of centimental value and nostalgia. Good on you.
Good segment this time.
Love JB Weld. Had a friend with a Le Mans that chewed three teeth of the flywheel outside of Vegas. Molded a big glob of JB Weld on it and waited overnight sleeping in the car. Next morning we used a triangular file to cut teeth into the glob. Worked fine after that. Started every time so we never replaced the flywheel.
good one.
Love it! Just replaced the clutch in my 944! Would have never thought about doing this in the automatics!
@1000 Subs with just Playlists i will take u up on that question---- what if i want automatic?
Hey JR, you shouldn't go about using solder on that O2 sensor. Apparently they work by passing ambient oxygen through the wire somehow and using that as a reference. Soldering breaks that channel. Either that or the metals become a thermocouple and mess with the readings. Either way, there's some literature online and Bosch mentions using their "Posilock" connectors and those alone. Also, that speed sensor from the broken bracket? The one that doesn't go anywhere? You can throw it out. It was originally a debug tool for Porsche mechanics but nobody has the tool for them anymore.
great info, thanks ........and he was so proud that he went the extra mile to fix.
Really nice! I've been a subscriber for almost a year. The 944 is getting back together piece by piece. Can't wait to see what will be the future videos of it! P. S keep that orange wheel once you swapped the wheels because it's a "Getting home spare" so keep it. Just in case! 👍
When those came out soooooo cool ,a blue collar Porsche. I wanted one so bad. SOooo glad I didn't. 😉👍
I was thinking JB Weld when you pulled that package out. It has been my last ditch effort on several occasions, and I am always amazed that it worked. It's amazing stuff. If it won't work and you can't weld it you can't fix it.
DeBoss is a great channel.
6am here in the west of Australia. Perfect video with my morning coffee.
I read this, in my head, with what was probably a horrible fake accent.
@Honda 250 lol... well played my dude!
Really satisfying video, can’t wait to see it cleaned up with new wheels
"How can we make this as ridiculous to work on as possible?"
When they built the car,they said"It's a Porsche,therefore it will never break".
what kills me about car makers is they put things in that have no right to be in a vehicle that WILL fail then make it extremely difficult to get to. I will cite the cam phasers and oil pump in the ford 5.4L 3V. The oil pump requires you to pull everything off the front of the engine including the timing chains. Know what worked for decades? oil pump bolted to the block inside the oil pan. Remove oil pan: 30 mins. Remove oil pump and replace: 10 mins 30 mins back together. Now? 8 hrs and it's not like it's an improvement....they are the number 1 reason that the first 3 years phasers and cams failed due to lack of oil pressure.
@mike brink I couldn't agree more! I blame it on millennials and Gen x who have made their way into manufacturing. It's no longer "hey, we make the best built vehicle on the road" it's "hey, look at all the bells and whistles and colour changing LED interior lights"....."but how long will the engine last"? "nevermind that, look at the digital configurable gauge cluster, isn't it pretty"?
No, "how can we make this Porsche service center only" as possible!
It's a German made car...not a surprise and why I HATE working on them...
Making my day one video at a time!
Cool to see. Enjoy it when it’s done.
Nice fix, it’s a big job, I did one once. You dont need to drop the rear suspension. Remove those 9 bolts from the starter hole, remove the bell housing bolts then the flex plate can be wiggled out, then you can remove the c clip and slide the shaft back far enough.
@c1d2e....i need to do this to my 89 944 automatic...how long did it take you? Any tips you can share that will help me immensely? Thank you
@@danmazz8733 It can be done in a weekend if you really push it and don't have any snags.
It's been a few years since I did one. Lift the car up on all four corners and support. Remove exhaust pipe. You'll need a manual flywheel, pressure plate and clutch disc. Make sure the flywheel has the sensor stud. Your just connecting the torque tube shaft to the engine with the above, what the rubber flex plate used to do.
The problem is you can't slide the torque tube back far enough to do it all so you have to drop the transaxle. I didn't drop it all the way just slid it back and tipped it down some. Then the torque tube will slide back far enough to get the old flex plate out and install the clutch pack. I used a second hand original rubber puck style clutch but either will work. It's a wrestle to get the bell housing off because the transmission lines run down the back of it preventing it from popping off the back of the alignment pins but it can be done. Remove the ref sensors before this or you will break them.
It's nice to have a helper because that transaxle and torque tube are heavy.
You might want to replace the rear main seal while your in there. You'll get it, just go slow and take a break if you get frustrated!
@@c1d2e Thank you, amazing information here. Will a clutch and flywheel from an 83 944 work? Do i also need the throw-out bearing?
@@danmazz8733 No throw-out bearing. I'm not sure about the flywheel off an older '83. It's probably OK, I think the later years had an extra sensor stud for diagnostics reference but don't think it's required.
@@c1d2e if i cant find a rubber puck style clutch, will the steel spring type cause any issues while shifting maybe?
Wonder how old JR is, he knows so damn much! Gotta love the rebuilds/fixes keep em comin!
Im assuming he is 30
He is a intelligent guy.
I'll get dragged for this, but going by his movie quotes, music references, when he talks about what cars he wanted when he was young and his high school camaro photo, I'd say he's in his upper 30's.
Good work guys. Josh is all clean shaven again. It takes 5 years off of him!
"Cut it all short. Except the front, I comb that down..."
Paint the car YELLOW that will look great. Thumbs up for this PORSCHE. Your brother is a great help, also the shop with the CORVETTE'S is a nice touch. Thanks for sharing this install of the clutch assembly.
Sweet ! another great video.
Love the channel. Great content lately. The Audi and Porsche videos have reminded me why I admire, but don't own, German cars. Fans of well used 944s might want to check out "Hello Road" and his series featuring a 400,000+ mile '86 944 Turbo.
I love messin w cheap cars and it makes for entertaining content too!
I's such a nicely styled car. Glad you're gonna work on it a little bit more.
Brutal wait between 944 vids, was worried your next video was going to be about something you just bought and like the R8 we wouldn't see it again for a long long time in a galaxy far far away.
that sounds so good straight pipped
As always great video. I had a 83’ 944 should have kept it.
Rumor has it that Porsche purposefully made these rubber coupler things to piss off people ordering automatics.
NO, charging $1500 for one that has an obviously limited lifespan does that for sure.
The rubber dampers were used in both auto and manual cars to soften gear engagement ,
So much work. Oh boy!
I had a 944 years ago that I bought for $500 from a guy who took it from two college girls that owed him rent and they moved off and left it. Lucky he got the title from them. The automatic transmission was bad they didn't know where to put transmission fluid which was in the back at the trans axle. So I bought a manual transmission car and swapped the manual trans axle , torque tube , clutch and flywheel to the automatic car because the manual car was wrecked. Drove it for a while and then traded it off.
That soldering iron is a really good tool. I had to do both of my O2 sensors on my BMW. All 8 wires. lol
Yes #2! The Porsche gets worked on some more!
I feel that you should do some sped up film of you actually doing the work rather than just a before and after. It would improve the overall production.
+1
YES!! JB Weld - The best stuff in the world..
Good job
Great build.
"If you're gonna try this by yourself you're gonna need 2 people" thanks JR I'll bear that in mind.
When the video started I noticed how long your hair was getting. THEN at 6:30, magically, you have a fresh haircut. I am still giggling. Thumbs up!
"If you're going to attempt this on your own, don't". You have way mor patiencetham. Good job.
J.R
U have done a great job of fitting that clutch the looks cool for a old motor but it is a class car
Phil in the uk
It sounds good!
Amazing!
My buddy had a 1987 924S with a manual; that rubber-center clutch fails too! Hope you put a new one in, not just some old one the PO sourced from who-knows-where with that rusty flywheel.
Smashed that like button like 12 times and watched the commercials.
Great buy! Not a bad one at all either
It’s funny that differential is the same that is in my 77’ bus. When I did a Subie swap I had the everything rebuilt with upgraded the internals that matches Porsche parts. Different gearing and taller gears.
So very nice! (So...how's the R8 coming along? 😏😏)
Good work! Looks like a fun car to drive but not so much to work on...
Why would you get rid of the phone dial wheels?
yea if their the 15 inch need those for track or autocross more meat
I think it's because he doesn't have the set. Probably easier to get a set that match rather than finding one that matches the 3 vintage 35 year old ones he has
@@drewping2002 I think he does have the set, just the one tire was shredded so that's why the spare is on it. But I could be wrong...
@@AndrewAMartin I think u r right
Your alright as long as it doesn't have a carb......😁 Exotic vehicle manufacturers do exotic things and probably why I never ventured on that side of the isle. Detroit Iron for me.
good interesting project
LOL I just commented on the first video then saw this...you made an excellent decision!
I had a 79 924 Sebring. The 924 and 944 Both shared the same platform and had a problem with th door hingss cracking out of the body
Found this on Pelicanparts.com forum in relation to the snap ring. "About that snap ring... My 12-year-old son got it in less than 20 min. We studied PET and learned the key was removing the lock bolt from the drive shaft collar first. Then slide the remains of the flex damper to the rear, exposing the C-clip. By the time I was ready to go down to the shop and see how he was getting on, he had come back triumphantly carrying the dead flex disc. And he emphatically stated the bolt was NOT 6mm inner hex. 8? " Ya just needed a 12 yo to help ya! And why ? Because when we are young we go by the "what can it hurt" logic. As opposed to the adult "We gotta learn everything we can" logic. I learned this when my brother came over one day to borrow a tech manual I had out in the garage. He never used manuals. I got scared. We just threw things together and went with it. If he is coming to me, we had hit that "adult logic".
The car does look nice the body design is really good.
I keep JB Weld indoors with the cap in the vertical. Lasts indefinitely.
Nice car
Love it had one when younger drove it until the timing went... Spent 1000 on a red one with 143k in 2001. Fun little car. Engine was not savable lol.
Should have just JB welded the flywheel too. Stronger than steel!
Also... Your JB weld will last pretty much forever if you store each half in a baggie. I've used stuff that was ancient, and went through several freeze/thaw cycles in the shop, and it was just fine. Biggies FTW.
I was humming the "Pop up and down headlights" song from James at Donut media.. I need to get out more!
Pop ups go up!
Damn my boss has one of these in almost the same condition, but its a 5 speed. For some reason porsche decided to give some of these cars a pink/magenta color carpet and brown seats (?) its funny though.. but he has some wide tires and some deep dish wheels with 0 offset, staggered setup and he actually takes it to a track.. you'd be surprised, just as i was when i saw it with my own eyes the day i went to the track with him, that this thing can actually keep up with new 911's, m3's, c43/63 and audi rs(x) cars...
Lol on the plate of blue Corvette!😂
Yeah, I hate it when the rubber rips in half.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
JB Weld is awesome
Would have like to see what you did with it, detailing, wheels and ride. Did you sell it?
The white wires on the O2 are just for the heater. They are not polarized and can be soldered to any other white wire. You can't mix them up.
944s rock! With a pedal you've got an any stall speed auto. Who knows if the slushbox can handle that?
Please put some sick rims on it!
All those parts runs and no bonnet (hood) struts?
*i only have that soldering iron because of you and the fact i already had Milwuakee 12v tools and a charger. i also at that time bought the 12V inflator that you just bought recently AND the 12v Milwaukee rotary tool (dremel) because they were all 3 $79.00 each tool only and i already had the batteries and fast charger*
Johns Vette has the most beautiful paint job!
so you got a haircut in the middle of this video? 😂😂😂
Is that a projection screen over above the corvettes? If it is, that’s awesome.
That '80's music wants to cause me to break out the NES Mario time!
KEEP THE PHONE DIAL RIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are called "Teledial"
944’s should have the black Fuch’s wheels
Love them.
Looks like a better solution than the rubber damper.
Those standard wheels are an integral part of the look of these cars - just my 2c
i think, they r "ok"as well.
There are aftermarket solutions without that rubber. I have that installed ( Fichtel & Sachs if I remember correct )
Nice, i need that red spare or one Porsche wheel for a spare ;) lol
Replace the Porsche Phone Dials with Z24 Push Buttons. 🤣
Great Job JR!! Do you make house calls? 😊
CRAZY, but in a good way!
Lots of info online how to remove the snapring and transaxle properly
The deboss mention made me smile,
German engineering at its finest!!!