How Limbo Became The Most Misunderstood Warframe
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Limbo has been a widely misunderstood Warframe, from his initial release to present. Limbo is an oddity that isn't from our plane of existance, an interdimensional rift walker capable of manipulating his surroundings. So today let's take a dive into the Rift Plane and see what Limbo is all about.
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Intro: 00:18 - 1:07
U15: 1:08 - 7:22
2015: 7:23 - 10:45
Limbo Revisited: 10:46 - 15:23
Post Limbomb: 15:24 - 17:55
Plaguestar: 17:56 - 21:11
27.2 & Scarlet Spear: 21:12 - 24:26
SE Exploit: 24:27 - 25:12
Eximus & Veilbreaker: 25:13 - 28:16
Present: 28:17 - 35:41
Rift Surge: 35:42 - 39:03
Other Aspects: 39:04 - 44:30
Conclusion: 44:31 - 45:52
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I want to give a VERY special Thank You to N7Cadaverous for teaching me how to play Limbo and giving me a better understanding about him, I also want to give shoutouts to Spooki, Bryan and Rexq8 for giving me further insights on Limbo, thank you fellas as this video wouldn't have been possible without you!
Also want to mention that During 2014 the information on Limbo was pretty scarce as there were only general guides and negativity about the trolls, I feel like I did miss something significant with Limbo during his release so if you do notice something substantial was missed, then please do let me know and I'll add it to the pinned comment. And finally, Duviri didn't change Limbo directly but if he does end up useful for the new content then other creators will make a vid about it.
just a small correction: back in the day we had AMAZING mobility (using staff melees), still it was infuriating for the lock of pickups and oh boy mobile defense missions were a pain...
There are some other unique interactions that Limbo has that no other frame does. For instance you can use his ultimate to lock down an area you know team mates won't actively use. Banish can be used for isolating and assassinating key targets so friendlies can focus elsewhere. Mods like life-strike can make him self-sustain because the enemy has no way to fight back and you have all the time in the world to use it as you see fit. Banish knockdown can also be used tactically. Think of it like an alternate take on a duelist in that sense, you exploit their weakness and buff your strengths and in the duels he has, he is unmatched in power.
Limbo has the highest skill ceiling in the game I think and while I do think he could use small touch ups here and there, in the right hands he can be a decent Warframe. The key of using Limbo is to have an intriquite understanding of his abilities, mechanics and how they affect yourself, teammates and enemies alike. The best way to understand his impact to the team is to understanding the Rift-mecehanic. As NovaUmbral mentioned, Banish isolates enemies into the Rift. This is how Limbo should be used, as someone who isolates. So for example in survival, go to places where your teammates don't go. You'll still contribute at max value while not interrupting teammates. He is the most complex Warframe that requires, thematically, good mathematical skills and space awareness.
@@alessandroblue7 Ah i shoulda clarified a bit I meant just in general without the copter / swing copter, but yeah tonbo FTW!
1. BRUH! Ty so much! Not a limbo main but I do thoroughly enjoy him. I struggled with Rift surge to the point of replacing it with Yareli spinning blades (it's super effective) on most of my builds. Gonna go try right surging al as soon as I get off work in not 2 hours.
2. Didn't see it in the vid: use Yareli spinning blades, rift Walk, laugh but don't pee on yourself. Adding power strength helps with higher level mobs. Approach nullifiers slowly to kill.
3. Max range limbo with high duration can lock out index enemies from scoring, easy 3 round no score for the nightwave.
Acorrding to one comic I saw way back when. Banishing someone also stopped their abilities
I miss the frozen projectiles. It was always hilarious freezing the last enemy snd surrounding them with Kunai or arrows and just watching them become a pin cushion.
You mean there was a time where I could have been even more dio than now?
@@matthewmartinez3550 yes. His second ability stopped both friendly and enemy projectiles, which means that if you had enough duration you could trap 5+ enemies and empty your entire quiver before the first arrow landed.
You can still do this with friendly fire in the simulacrum, which is fun
stasis still does that
@@Boiled_Pizza only to enemy projectiles. All friendly bullets fly free.
"Just because I tell people who do not have hats on their heads that they're inferior doesn't make me a racist. It makes me correct" - Omni Voice
I still quote it years ago.
He just makes no sense to me I tried to use him but it’s confusing
@@ImtooSleepy Its remarkably simple.
1 = Shunt a Group into the Rift.
3 = Cast on Rifted Group to make a bigger group after 1 expires-(usually after holding 1 to unbanish.)
4 = Lockdown one area as your pocket dimension-(alternate between this and 1/3 depending on energy levels and objective.)
2 = Make everything in the Rift or going into the Rift completely unable to do anything for the next thirty or so seconds.
@@chrisonewiththesalt Or just give him max range and some efficiency so you can lay down Stasis'd Cataclysms so massive that it won't bother your squad. Keep 2 up when you need enemies frozen, take it down when you want them to move in. Only use 1 for defense objectives. Only use 3 when playing solo. And use him only on grineer and infested missions to avoid nullifiers constantly popping your Cataclysm (just use a different frame for missions that spawn nullifiers, honestly).
Bonus points for subsuming Pull into him so you can forcibly drag groups of enemies into Cataclysm.
@@Maverick2736 Max Range Cataclysm means your squad is all but forced to run Radar.
More rift surge tips:
1- Use banish to make the enemies leave the rift instead of holding down the ability.
2- Cataclysm > Rift surge > Disable Cataclysm = a banish with the size of the cataclysm
3- with 200% casting speed, you can cast the 2- setup before a nullifier disables the cataclysm, even if there is a nullifier in the range of cataclysm
Ill need a deeper explanation of the third one
@@hiddencrow7907 I think it means you cast shit faster than the nullifier can nullify
Why the first one, wouldn't you waste energy recasting banish? Edit: I guess using another banish has more range
new player interested in limbo here, how can i get 200% casting speed?
@@kalebbrake5882 if you dispel using banish you can target which enemies affected by rift surge you want to affect
Note, specifically Ordis implies during his last lines of the quest that the miscalculation that made Limbo explode was about the distance in particular.
Yeah, up until that point Limbo had made several jumps, just pushing the limit each time.
"cataclysm is another gateway to the rift, it's not the rift itself."
Ofc the limbo video has philosophical sounding stuff in it lol
I love this video so much, I considered myself a limbo main, but I was not aware of the sheer amount of intricacies and nuances of his kit. Thank you so much bro, I'm glad I'm subscribed to you with bell notifications on
No cataclysm is god
@@someoneschannel7757 "Those ignorant to the truth shall never be one with the rift"
-Pope of the Limbo church
Thats not philosophy, thats just true, cataclysm isn't the rift, its just a bubble.
@@DronesOverTheMoon no cataclysm is a cat god that canonicly stopped the new war by eating natah
@@Joezone619 I said "philosophical sounding" I never claimed it's actual philosophy lmao
You missed 2 small QoL facts but asides from that 10/10 video. Facts: 1 Banish pushes enemies out of limbos CURRENT plane of existence. Meaning you can selectively push some enemies from the rift back into reality if need be. 2 Rift surge it's self can also be spread by killing enemies. A bit different than infinite banish by holding 1 (which I never knew about until now!) But it's another option.
Thank you so much for this video.
Oooo great tips! Thanks for sharing
Yeah the downside to killing a rift surge enemy is
The surge will spread but the enemy that has been inflicted by the surge won't be dragged into the rift until a banished enemy that has rift surge gets close enough to rebanish them back in
(The upside is it still does boost the rift torrent argument regardless if the surged enemy is in the rift or not)
As a Limbo main I’m really glad I saw this video because I feel bad for the players who were trolled by the limbos before and even when I first started playing him, people in pubs were afraid that I would troll them as well. I always try to be considerate of other players when I play him because I know his abilities are not easy to play with it for other players. I also was doubting his usage in the game as well. I never thought he couldn’t be used but I know if used him how other players would be affected but after seeing this not only did I learn a couple things about him but it honestly reignited the flame I had for him when I first started playing him so I thank you for that.
P.S I did not know rift torrent scaled off of power strength, I wished I figure that out on my own because I always thought that limbo needed a way to damage enemies and I thought rift torrent was just a small bandaid to that problem.
I was kinda phobic of limbo for a while after his release. I think I finally shook that around Scarlet Spear, where he was a core member of the favored squads. Anymore, I use limbo occasionally if I need to defend something where I don't think my offensive frames or Khora will cut it. Still not a frame I'm fond of, but not one I am nervous about seeing in the team anymore
Lotta times if I see a limbo I'll beg to be thrown in the rift. That energy regen is nice.
I seldom do research on things like this, so when I got Limbo I just played the same way I play with any other frame, not realizing my abilities had an effect on my team. Hopefully I wasn’t too much of a nuisance
@@HalfbreedTrini you most certainly were😂 limbo is honestly my favorite frame so much that he isn't like any other frame cause you can go Unga boonga drop and pop bubble or set and forget stasis and let you squad assassinate trash and is style is just so crisp he doesn't need any if little accessories
I really like limbos character so when I got him I was ecstatic but everytime i did something my teammates would tell me not to use limbo so I felt bad for a bit but then I learned how to use him better and I don’t regret picking him as a main also love his hats
I never considered that players held the misconception that "the Rift" was just Limbo's 4. When you said that, a lot of the community's aversion toward Limbo suddenly made sense to me. They don't know that Cataclysm is just a bubble *of* Rift, not the Rift in its entirety.
You have no idea how many think it's all because people can't seem to wrap their heads around how limbo works and they want to take the easy way to being the most powerful
(In fact only about 0.96-2% of the whole Warframe community have mastered limbo and his prime that's how many so 98% to 99.04% of Warframe players don't understand limbo)
if there are a million fans of Limbo, I'm one of them. if there are 100 fans of Limbo, I'm one of them. if there is 1 fan of Limbo, it is me. if there are no fans of Limbo, I am dead. the amount of labwork I have put in to make Limbo work without using community info and still ending up on these different points you brought up makes me proud to be a Limbo main.
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Huge amount of respect to you as a player who has used limbo more than rhino if I had to choose between rhino and limbo for steel path I would of chosen limbo
rhino he is arguably one of the best but once you have a build that makes rhino pretty much untouchable he just becomes boring to use and no longer fun
(and I would rather have a Warframe that is active and fun then god tier powerful and boring warframe)
while with limbo you have to remain active not just to survive but to Keep your damage up (rift surge and the argument rift torment which rift torment has no cap to it)
My first encounter with Limbo was before I knew anything about what he did, so I thought the game was outright broken when every so often I'd get stuck in a weird state where I couldn't do damage anymore. Some wild in-mission messages occurred that day
The problem I have with Limbo is, it's difficult to know which enemies are on the same plane as you. You try to shoot an enemy and it does nothing because you are in the rift and the enemy isn't. Also, the colour change of the screen when you are in the rift seems a bit to subtle to me. I need to know for sure if I am in the rift, or I just got a magnetic status effect, or something else that affects my vision.
Bright energy colors work best for that, even if it annoys teammates. It's better to clearly see what enemies are rifted and where a cataclysm is than to be completely surprised
Edited for typo corrections
Yeah, that's the big reason why I don't really play Limbo. Even with just casual observation my eyes can't really tell the difference. Plus, I have glaucoma so my eyes are especially jacked up. The cel shaded sort of effect is pretty, yeah, but when everything is flying all over the screen I'm focusing more on the enemies and less on everything else. I can lose track pretty easily. Also, that little black energy effect that shows who is in the Rift is WAY too subtle for me to even register that it's usually present. I will tip my hat to the people who play him well. At least in my book they deserve some respect for taking his kit and really putting in the practice in learning it. I will say though, I've been lucky, judging by some other comments, that I never got grouped with a troll Limbo. So, thank the Warframe gods for that?
The original rift effects were quite obvious. The enemy was engulfed in huge white flames. It made them look like phantom monsters. This was fine for 1 enemy but when its a whole bunch, you see nothing but white flames on screen. DE over nerfed it. Now you'll barely notice the tiny flames on the enemy's feet.
Using a chain attack weapon like Amprex helps a lot with this issue. If you want to see how my Limbo guide shows this in action.
I played some sort of defense mission for relics, there was a limbo on my team (for once lol) - he was okay, but as a Gara, my abilities acted weird while I was inside of his giant rift thing, its as if they just didn't want to register (and I couldnt explode my glass wall)
I dunno how limbo works-ish, but it was just a lil weird to experience for the first time lol
As an Limbo main for the last 4+ years, I’m glad to hear you took the time to learn how to use him and learned just how fun he can be to play.
Personally, Limbo has probably one of the highest skill Ceilings in the game. Making it so the more you know how to play him the harder it is for DE to nerf him for you. In my own experience I play limbo a lot in public so I don’t actually use rift surge that much and replace it. With my Own ranking of his abilities being:
1. *Passive* - if you git gud with it you essentially unlock ultra instinct and are essentially immortal. Combo this with magnus lockdown and rolling gaurd and you can bunker buster nullified bubbles (by op dash on rim of bubble to lockdown, return to limbo then dash into bubble to trigger invulnerability and unload into nullifiers head) or eximus to name an few.
2. *stasis*
3. *banish* - good for multiple types of defense targets
4. *cataclysm* - best to run min range max duration since the bubble is so small that it stops nullifiers and eximus with guns from getting close enough to pop it.
5. *rift torrent* - definitely good in solo play but not so much in public due angering other players and how people will probably kill targets before they get close enough to the trap.
So I have current replaced it with stynax’s helmith which removes all defenses with +200% (which you can get even with min range max duration build with shards) power strength even through demolyst bubbles and active overgaurd. Turning limbo into an invincible tank buster for demolyst, eximus, acolytes, tanky high level enemies, thrax, some steel path bosses and relay warframe junctions, etc.
Oberon's smite can be good chip damage and cc while in relative safety if someone doesn’t have stynax...
And honestly, the weapons meta generally nerfed the power of most warframe abilities besides limbo. Since in my own experience it’s pretty easy to use an weapon that can either one shot head shot lvl 10k demolyst or does damage cap with an large aoe and nuke an room as limbo before an Mesa or sayrn can ramp up their meta ability to do the same.
And don’t even get me started on RJ crew mates and/or kahl and how they can trivialize things for limbo even more.
I used to be a big limbo head but overguard made me so sad, I've been meaning to try silence on him, Because it stops exumi from using their power moves
Limbo is easy, finding BAD Limbo players are easier. I refuse to play with a Limbo cause they fuck my setup 99 times out of a 100. And that 1 of the 100 that I don't mind Limbo in a pug are the rare good Limbo player that just don't stasis then afk and run around only to die. I do check the progress chart and again most of the time the Limbo player will have almost no kills cause they just hide in their bubble and get downed by an eximus that wanders in cause they were expecting to hide in the bubble and get a carry they didn't bring a proper weapon.
I actually get alot of use out of Silence, personally.
before the eximus rework, limbo is one of my used frames for sorties and even SP. The negative range cataclysm was genius. Pop 4 and stand outside of it while you are in your passive
My favored setups are actually unaffected by limbo, but limbo can absolutely wreak havoc on some loadouts. In my case, I have a hysteria Valkyr who just slaps everything for absurd damage numbers anyway as my primary frame
I was expecting another well done retrospective from you like usual, but this one especially felt like a limbo tribute. I could feel a lot of passion put into this vid (episode? installment?), and the rift surge revelation was so wild I needed five replays to understand it. Really got me interested in limbo now, I kinda put him off because I wanted to establish myself with simpler and more available frames but you've convinced me to pick him up again.
im waiting patiently for vauban but until now i didnt know how excited id be for a limbo video too. limbo was my first main before i got vauban and ive been using him alot more lately for steel essence farming
also thanks for not putting duviri spoilers. i havnt gotten a chance to play it yet
Limbo was very misunderstood. Every TH-camr I saw tried to make him a damage frame or single-area cc.
Same thing happened to Grendel. Now with his rework, the strategies that made him good don't work because he's not draining energy like a madman anymore, which was the core of his play style despite everyone saying he's bad because of it.
Because most of them focuses on damage or single area cc and only that they don't care about anything else which is disgusting and to some degree cowardices
(Even though they'll never admit it they focus on those two things and only them)
Limbo is the embodiment of devoting yourself to understanding the Warframe not just the abilities but the way you must play him and Ideology behind him to perfection
(Something a lot of warframe players and content creators will not do)
Man remember when DE removed stasis' ability to stop friendly projectiles but didn't remove the projectile cap that stasis had? That was a weird time
I wish they removed the projectile cap
(although to be fair the projectile cap is like 300ish projectiles
So if they made it to like idk 1000 or 3000 I wouldn't mind but why 300 if not a cap in general)
I used to play Limbo for years, up until the Eximus rework, where I feel his squishiness finally caught up with him. But it's only a matter of time before something new changes and Limbo is back on top again.
Dude just shield gate. I dont know how that hasnt been nerfed or its even a thing. Shield gating makes survival trivial.
You can block the the Eximus wave. Not hard to see it coming too.
@@hammerheadcorvette4also the blaze exmius units (the ones who summon a circle fire that goes outwards forgotten it's name) if the time it right you can dash though it without being hit or inflicted by the status effect (without rolling guard)
Downside you would have to dash back into the rift like immediately
It's so weird that one of, if not the definitively most difficult Warframe is available so early. You get his quest on Mars if I remember right, and he's such a crazy character that it's difficult to get a grasp on how to use him without watching a guide so a lot of players are gonna see him, try him out and then get confused as they wonder "What the hell am I supposed to do with this?" Personally I wrote him off as a gimmick from some old event and just got him to 30 before selling him. I honestly wish he was available a bit later (maybe swap him out for Titania or something since his unlock is through a Archwing mission and Titania is the Archwing Warframe or whatever) so that if someone does unlock him, they're more familiar with the game, and probably more willing to look up a guide to his kit.
I like limbo and mostly play him, but I never fully understood rift surge, so that is gonna make playing him so much more sustainable than it used to be, thanks so much!
Limbo has always been and continues to be my number one favorite frame 49.8% play rate. I remember the old contagion days I remember the old open world days. Thank you for this fun reminder of all the fun I've had with him
I love this documentary videos and today was the Rift Boi's turn. Nice job my friend!
I've playing Limbo for a while and after the eximus rework I was kinda dissapointed, but with this I am once again motivated to play with the one and only Rift Walker
Seeing a video giving Limbo his due respect is so gratifying. Thankfully my friends acknowledge the strength and flexibility of Limbo, as well as understand how to play alongside him. A small thing to note for Limbo and Spy - utilizing Perspicacity and Untraceable allows you to not even have to worry about cameras, lasers, or hacking. It's so braindead compared to even Wukong. Funny enough he's my favorite "stealth" Frame because of this. :)
Now this is quality entertainment. Hopefully it helps more people understand the fancy hat man. I just want people to not leave a mission simply because I brought Limbo out.
Couldn't have done it without you! Thank you for the insights Bryan!
Oh I understand Limbo perfectly. I know what he does, and I know what he's capable of. And I'd still leave if I see a Limbo in a party, even if they're LR+
@@nicoinformatics A good Limbo can solo most content. I only bring him when I can make the objective based missions easier. Because sometimes there is the poor Mr9 on Steel Path without any Arcanes yet, and they don't want to feel hard carried, so I just play defense and let them do what they do.
little thing that most people don't know, operators ignore the rift, so for example, in spy missions you can leave the cataclysm active and use operator to hack doors/consoles
Yep. I will say that this is a double edged sword tho because it also means that operators have virtually no way of damaging enemies in the rift.
I think the tenno that is limbo is actually a tenno that made an altered deal with the man in the wall as he can enter and leave the void while in Warframe and control everything in his own domain of the void, this is really interesting as the rest control gravity, time or elements etc
In old limbo's defense, he was a very safe frame to play if you took it slowly and methodically. Single out enemies one at a time, pulling them into the rigt and killing them. Not how the game was meant to be played, but it was hard to mess up and die.
Limbo is my entire game play style across just about any shooter I've touched. He's just so utilitarian and flexible. As soon as they launched him I was hooked, and his rework made him even better. Though, I do very much miss the Za Warudo of freezing my own bullets for a barrage upon release, it made those headshot riven unlocks so much easier. Wish they'd bring that back as an augment.
On the note of the raid, limbo does not see a lot of usin that no, but he was extremely useful against the final stage of the boss versus the orbital bombardment spam. The few times that I was able to get in there, because too many people would leave if we weren't getting through fast enough, I was able to keep everybody on their feet every time they went down because the orbital bombardment was useless against limbo when he's in the rift. I just hid in the rift and kept picking everybody up lol.
Also, you skipped over another use for Cataclysm - when combined with Stasis, it's great for dealing damage to enemies continuously. Enemies that cross the planes take Blast damage, every time they change plane. This is also an often overlooked aspect of Cataclysm. Because it continues to shrink, enemies that touch it are damaged and frozen with Stasis, but it pulls back from them and frees them with another damage proc, so they walk forward into it, take damage and freeze again. It repeats as long as they keep walking forward and as long as Stasis is active, so they basically damage themselves against the border of the planes. I use this a lot when helping lower level friends clear their system map. I love watching them headbutt the Rift. "Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
The big Limbo rework had me fall in love with the frame. My squad was still in the "I hate Limbo" train, but I remember them telling me "You're one of the good ones". That sure was a time.
Hopping back into Warframe after months of not playing. Currently Gauss main, but I'm looking to play some Limbo. Thanks for the helpful information on how to use him. The equating of the rift as a status effect does wonders to help understand Limbo's mechanics.
To add to this, when rift walk was an option, you used to be able to go to the rift with it, charge any bow, then tap it off to fire and immediately recast. This allowed limbo to feel amazing with bow options.
This only got better when his passive eventually included increased reload speed in the rift.
Despite being a limbo main for years I didn't know about the hold to unbanish stealth change meaning I never learned to use rift surge properly.
This video really wants me to buy Limbo Prime since I leveled base up on defense and then just fed him to the Helminth without much thought, fantastic video
Bro learn Limbo, I've been a Limbo main since I got him. He's so rewarding to play and it's fun to look down on everyone because they don't understand you💀💀
YES. This is how I started playing Limbo. I stopped playing back in 2018 at mars I think, and came back in the august 2022, and limbo looked really cool and I wanted to try him out. I had no idea that he's considered bad, he was ok for me, even though I had no mods. Now I got limbo prime (I can't use regular limbo anymore, prime looks incredible) and most of the mods and he's so good, eximus changes don't feel like as threatening as everyone said, besides you. Nova, you are the one who should finally raise awareness and popularity of limbo, thank you for this video
Limbo was used in the Law of retribution, specifically the button section.
Being able to banish a teammate, catalyst/stasis one side, and then still stand on a button of your own was huge.
Operators kinda stole his thunder, but hey- CC frames were goated for LoR
I find two changes that would help Limbo today: 1. Bring back the old stasis duration; 2. Let players in the rift damage the overguard of eximus halfway banished into the rift.
Rift Surge could also be buffed to also reduce enemy defenses like Xaku's Gaze as standard kit.
Honestly this is an amazing video and sums up Limbo really well. As someone that loves Limbo I found myself nodding along.
Only thing that was really missed is that some enemies not even Eximus do completely screw over Limbo. They are rare but they do exist. Such as the Hyena's in Orb Valis they are immune to Stasis due to being classed as "boss units" and their attacks are classed as abilities meaning they can hit you even when you can't hit them.
Ya know... The sentence that blew my mind: "Cataclysm can be used to lockdown hotspots."
It now makes sense why Cataclysm isn't cast on player.
I'm stunned at how much research you put into this, you did my boy justice. I hope you'll do (maybe not AS much) research like this for when you cover Oberon, as he's another one I feel gets a bad rep because he's good for non-standard reasons at non-standard tasks (i.e, can defend a steel path objective solo for 50 waves and never have Renewal canceled outside of Violence's silence), but it's understandable if you don't. Either way looking forward to the next video 👍
I agree as someone who is returning to playing limbo and understands him he gets far too much hate and way too overlooked (and it comes down to people's misunderstanding of the rift and link between the rift and limbo or people's continuous belief which is buried in the past and people need to realize that limbo that used to troll that version of limbo doesn't exist anymore if not barely exists or and this is just a theory jealousy of limbo being 99% unkillable bc of how the rift hows) those haters can say what they want until they try limbo out for themselves they'll never realize that belief of limbo being a troll is a dead belief and how childish they've been to hate on something which is actually god tier (in terms of a tier list a beginner limbo would be a C+ but an experienced/advanced limbo player is actually an A+)
@@Minecraftassassin-re6og For real. Literally all the squad needs to do is roll out of it if they don't want to be in the rift these days. Only "issue" left for Limbo these days is he doesn
t kill as fast as the top tier frames
@@Minecraftassassin-re6og That's the thing though, people don't need to do anything. If they wanna hate us for playing Limbo, linking a video is not gonna make them magically unbiased and open to Limbo as a frame.
This video is very much for those that were either neutral and unbiased to begin with or loved him already.
One thing I remember from the raids is those batteries that drain you shields, Limbo has a decently large shield
Man, that explanation of his 3... I had zero idea how it actually worked. Great work man, you have a sub.
PS: could time stamps be put within the video to come back to your ability's explanation ? Cuz you really doing a great job at it.
There is more to it than what he explained. Like the effect of banish is to send enemies to the opposite plane that the limbo and the enemy are in, so that means that if you and the enemy are in the rift, you can banish the enemies to the normal plane. That also means that if you cast rift torrent on an enemy that is in the rift and then banish that enemy, the surge will trigger, banishing the enemy itself and everything around it. That also means thay if you use cataclysm to put everyone in the rift, then cast rift surge and then disable cataclysm, all the surged enemies will trigger the surge and thus you have a banish that covers more than the area of the cataclysm. This can be used to have a cataclysm-sized rift area that is not affected by nullifiers (unless they touch the rifted enemies)
Finally, my favorite top hatter!
Limbo was the first Warframe tha MR 5 me REAAAAALLY wanted (so much so I wasn't even deterred by the quest being glitched for YEARS, meaning I got him thanks to DE basically giving me part BPs in hopes that crafting them would fix the quest... I just rushed him and got the quest stuck. lol).
Hell, Limbo Prime was my very first Prime overall - MAN do I love his top hat style!
And obviously, I saw him first in a video showing him stop a bunch of throwing knives... yeah. The JoJo reference was also part of his charm. Either way, thanks for showing him some love, since nowadays he's nostly my "social" frame. Kinda like a fancy suit for when I go to hubs. Poor lad...
Funny how you didn't talk about the negative duration/high range build for Bimbo! With neg duration and high range, you only cast Rift Surge from time to time and the enemies auto-Rift each other. With enough neg duration you don't even need stasis any more since they drop to the ground all the time. So it frees a slot for a subsume. A very specific (and very old) build, but works wonders to this day.
Throw in some high strength and now you've got an excellent rift torrent build.
Really looking forward to going through this video. Limbo is one of my favorites. Minor thing btw, with the timestamps - if you put the timestamps on the left and description of the timestamp on the right (reversing them), that'll create the clickable chapters in the video itself.
The moment you revealed the actual use of rift surge, I had a "Holy Shit" moment. It feels like pandora's box has finally been opened. How soon can we expecg the time lords to take over warframe?
Hey friend, 10 year veteran/Founder here. This is an awesome video, really. Never seen such a great tutorial/breakdown of limbo. Will remember this when someone asks me how to play him. From my memory of playing back then, I never had any limbo trolls, only time it happened was with my friends. I'm sure it did but I actually never remember being mad about a troll. (I actually have more memories of Loki switch teleporting people out of the map, back when you couldn't get back in. Naughty players go to out of bounds jail) Its the frustration of fighting with the rift as a non-limbo. Especially when AOE was more meta. Every frame has its niche, but when abilities can negatively impact your team, even in the slightest, well, that's not great. Just off the top of my head, I don't think any other frame can actually hurt the team as easily as a limbo. Hence where the negative emotions come from.That being said, ill never forgive anyone who plays limbo. He has and always will be, my least favorite frame :) Thanks for the awesome video.
Limbo was my first frame. I bought him with my starter plat cause he was the only one I could afford besides the starters and Loki. Carried me till sp and my fist lvl cap
I subscribed the moment you said you got a whole nother limbo just to show off the negative range build, a feat deserving of recognition
I'm so happy for this video. Limbo was my 3rd ever frame that i tried, and was my favorite frame for quite a while. Also, i'm kind of upset that i never realized on my own the way that you suggested to play him in this video, i came close, but this changes a lot. Thank you so much for this. Also, i unfortunately know some people that are un-educated on limbo, and hate him to the point of not wanting him in the game, and that makes this video doubly helpful in my eyes, as it allows people who don't know truly how he works to understand and stop hating him just for existing.
TL;DR Thank you for this video, i love it!
Honestly i actually used him as a CC shield tank, he can be very comfortable with that using Hydryn's subsume, wich make kinda negates his inate squishness while giving him armor and shield strip, now you add it with rift walker and you kinda get an frame that do all.
Limbo and Loki used to be my main frames for riven challenges, they made so many challenges easier. I haven't seen the new Riven Challenges yet though.
a good use of banish(1) is some high level missions is to cast 4>2>3>1 then spam 1 over and over while they are in cataclysm(4) to repeatedly do max hp dmg to a group of enemies, while also spreading the banish due to rift surge(3) as you are technically sending them outside of the rift thanks to banish. ive used this as sort of a quick and dirty way to get the 3 chain started
"He's good if you know how to play him"- he has good synergies, you just have to experiment with him
As someone who really enjoys playing Limbo, i'm glad to see a video like this, i tend not to use it much bc i usually play public.
Also, although a very meme build, Limbo can deal damage to enemies im both planes by using Revenant's Reave, if you can group enemies and quickly apply viral, then you can usually kill enemies with 1-3 Reaves
One of my favorite combos with Limbo was my cousin using Revanant. You can banish/juggle the thralls in and out of the rift, and they divert fire so effectively
"just shoot the damn thing" thank you, I've been saying this since angels launched. Now louder for the kids in the back
Correction, he's the most DAPPER warframe
Excited to watch! With this video you’ve covered all three of my favorite frames so I’m interested to see what you say about Limbo.
As a Limbo main, thank you for taking the effort to "set the record straight" as it were. I even learned some things and got a few ideas for new builds for him.
Since I almost exclusively play solo it's obvious why he'd be my main, he's literally a god of his own plane of existence and forces the enemies to play by HIS rules. He's definitely a nuanced frame, easy to understand his abilities but difficult to master the synergy of them, especially to be viable late game, and it's nice to see some appreciation for the gentleman, it's really sad to see him still getting hate all these years later, especially for outdated reasons, so videos like these a breath of fresh air.
when my best friend and i picked up warframe, Limbo and Chroma were pretty new and were our main frames. He used limbo and I'd play Chroma. He passed away 6 years ago but this vid really made me wanna pick up Limbo again and give him another shot
Your success is well deserved. It was due to your videos that I got back into this amazing game.
This video has me wanting to practice limbo and get good with him. Him and Frost might be the two frames I put a heavy focus on. Awaiting a nice video on Frost for anything I may have missed on his playstyle
Frost kinda need some touches, he is not hydroid bad but he is very, old.
@@MrRobot-0 Still like using him alot, espicially during defense missions where his shield bubble makes survival a little easier when large groups start attacking
@@tylerthorson2610 it's your prerrogative, just avoid leaving snow gloves everywhere.
He's also one of the best nuke frames in the game with a good build because you can just spam clap your hands (cataclysm) and it just shreds everything at a fucking HUGE range with no regards for LoS, walls, or anything else.
i know its been 9 months since this video was made, but as a newer player to warframe, Limbo in his current state actually became my favorite frame and i basically main him now because it works with my playstyle. I usually play with my boyfriend, who's way higher level than me, and he told me about the way people don't Limbo for the exact mistakes I would make, which would be sending enemies into the rift sporadically. After I overcame that, I just can't see how he's still so frowned upon after they fixed the issue where he could accidentally send allies into the rift with 0 enemies for them to kill. This was informative but it also solidified my love for the frame too :)
@NovaUmbral you’ve made me want to learn and play Limbo, which is the highest praise I can give a video like this. Thank you.
I dont play Limbo at all (prob. last time was as a boxbreaker before Xaku), but I always found it hilarious how people could twist their brain so much instead of just playing around their teammates mechanics. I mean years ago when Stasis stopped everything I get how that was kinda annoying, but with his new kit? This frame is doing complex mathematical equations to "ZA WARUDO" the whole map for you, yet you cannot grasp the idea of a wall that cant be shot through? My brother in christ, sounds like a you problem 🤣
Pressing even a single ability on Limbo actively slows down the mission, meaning you are griefing your team.
"play around their teammate's mechanics" That's just pure fucking selfish behavior right there. This is PRECISELY why Limbo is hated. "Play how I WANT you to play right now or deal NO damage!" Or, how about Limbo stops hindering the entire fucking team?! No other warframe has such grievances because they either don't affect teammates, or they enhance teammates. Limbo just fucks with everyone for no good reason.
Ignore the ignorant trolls that don't actually know how to play limbo.
This video's been invaluable in what I'm hoping is my perfection of Limbo. I just keep coming back to it.
I thought I understood our resident Gentleman Bastard, Limbo. I have used him for many a mission, and he has had a dedicated slot since I first built him.
I learned new tricks from this video. Truly, excellent work.
32:53 testing the build out on a different limbo. That’s big brain
I would rather see limbo than a volt or wisp
What's the problem with wisp? Volt i may understand but wisp is very usefull
@@biggreen8025 I hate getting speed boosted in warframe, since it messes up my aim and tempo
@@ailonrouge if only I had one dollar for every time I hit my face on a wall thanks to a sudden speed boost
You just made me fall in love with a Warframe I never thought I would expect.
This is amazing, awesome dedication- subscribed in a matter of minutes.
As a Wukong Main, I really appreciate the time and effort you took to put this together. Thank you for the learning opportunity.
I remember I played Limbo a ton a while back, I think it was just when he was first revisited but I eventually stopped. I just remembered Limbo recently and I was wandering if he was good still. Jesus Christ. He looks so fun to play and the Limbo Rift Surge techs look so cool. I can't believe I've never heard of this before, Great Video ☺
Limbo haters are just lazy, there i said it.
I've been playing Warframe since 2016 and the rift surge ability discovery blew my mind
Limbo was (and still is) my main go-to for all my missions because of how unique and fun he was but because people still hated him I had to get off of him. I’ll try again but with a more personal build that allows me to rift the enemies in front of me and not across the room.
Limbo feels like the only warframe that doesn't need a helminth ability now that I know how rift surge works.
That destiny 2 stasis reference was a welcome, surprisimg yet hilarious outdated joke. I appreciate it, thank you.
Limbo: Exists
Lua spy: Quakes in fear
I've found that a limbo is kinda useful to have on your team in murmur mirror defense, he can just freeze all the enemies that get close to the defense target and everyone can collect glyphs/kill enemies easily
I just unlocked limbo from the quest I’ve been interested in em since I seen someone cover the field with this mist I love em he seems interesting
I was so looking forward to this video cause Limbo has been my main ever since I grinded to unlock him and I haven't looked back. By far one of my favorite warframes. He's great for solo play, which I usually end up in when my friends aren't online. His kit is fun and interesting. There is just something inherently enjoyable about the way Limbo plays. Even though I'm not 'the best' with Limbo yet, the learning and experimentation has been a lot of fun throughout the patches. I personally haven't touched warframe in a long time, but finding your videos and getting a deeper understanding of all the warframes you've reviewed I get the itch to play again.
I came back to the game some weeks ago and matched with one limbo so far and when i realised i couldn't do anything and took a sec and read the buff, and behold it says right there that you can roll to leave the rift. Ever since i took a habit of rolling a bit more when playing with a limbo, i think most of limbos team issues can be alleviated if people just read the bare minimum of what does affect them.
Limbomb was absolutely busted back in the day, it used to deal 50% of the max HP of all enemies within the cataclysm disregarding power strength.
We would just run maximum range to get the entrapped unit HP as high as possible and essentially 1 shot the entire map for close to 0 energy cost
Hi ! Nice video ! It is nice to see someone show the versatility of Limbo.
I have a question: have you done an Equinox video ? I am learning to main her and I find her really difficult to use correctly and use all of her kit smartly. Would you be interested in an Equinox video in the future ?
God, this takes me back. Limbo was my second ever Warframe obtained, and before Harrow came into existence, I was a Limbo main. Jumping between Mag and Limbo constantly during the era when Stasis use to do some wildly broken things like freezing every projectile in place (the projectile freeze still exists nowadays, but only for Eximus Units). I fondly remember those times getting the highest amount of fire rate with some average guns, and blasting into one target until either Cataclysm pops or Stasis is deactivated (At the time in the past, it triggers both since Stasis holds only so many projectiles at the time)
Limbo is still a bunch of fun to this day, and thanks to Helminth, he got a pretty flexible kit to use properly while maintaining a super high Skill Ceiling
i have a special attachment to limbo for a lot of reasons, mainly the fact that he was my second character ever and he's another member of a weird and uncommon archetype i really enjoy. personally i feel like his squishiness ends up being more of a pretend-tradeoff due to his ability to just leave a fight whenever he wants.
literally every character in this archetype (idk what to call it exactly. 2 planes? riftwalker? phaser?) has this sort of thing as a defining trait and it's always insanely strong, it's functional invincibility. if he plays his cards right, limbo can just choose not to take damage and die. this is probably downplayed quite a bit by heavy units, especially in higher level content, but in general any kind of ability that just lets you leave an unpleasant situation whenever you want leaves you with infinitely more room for error.
Mr Umbra!
I'd love to see a "History of Warframe" Analysis from when it started and how it evolved.
Interdimensional good vibes? Yes, please. Now could we get Limbos big brain to give Oberon a hand in how to make a seeming synergistic kit a bit more fluid.
Gara, revenant and yareli: I died giving my own life to those in need
Limbo: I miscalculated
Limbo was my first Warframe after my 9 year old self downloaded the game and looking at the warframes, seeing a cool guy with space powers and a top hat I immediately fell in love. I have not stopped using him since so 7 years later I still love my favorite rift walker.
as someone who recently got limbo, i feel like while in the rift dimension, i don't have a more visual cue to differentiate.
Until this video I knew very little about limbo. I knew I could hang on the outside edge of my teammates bubble and kill people safely with my amp. Thanks for more info!
I loved Limbo since his "revisited" update and was incredibely amused by the JoJo meme potential his Stasis had. I even had Spira Prime on him at all times. For, you know, throwing a bunch of knives at a target frozen in time and then going like "The time moves again". Fun times.
Then they removed that interaction, but I still played him a lot. He's a very unique, and what's more important for me personally, incredibely stylish-looking warframe.
Was running him for a lot of missions. And then the Eximus overguard happened. I literally didnt play him ONCE since then, so you kinda opened my eyes here, because I had absolutely no idea that enemies' projectiles are still frozen if eximi are in the Cataclysm.
I think I'll play him again now! :D
Yeah I remembered how bad limbo was for co op gameplay. I used to main limbo because it’s invincibility was very useful. But damn getting death threats in private messages was wild. Ppl leaving the second they saw me. Freezing knives mid air and swarming and enemy with millions of knives was so fun. They could’ve kept this mechanic. Instead of freezing Allies projectiles. It should only freeze your own projectiles and maybe add a crit boost once it unfreezes.
Fun Fact:
Even though the Contagion Arcane got fixed by DE after being too exploitable, the other Plague star arcane still effects both Planes simultaneously.
Allowing you to approach a group of enemies while safe in the Rift, Slam them with the Arcane wave and kill them while they are CC'ed.
Exodia Epidemic, to be precise
I love running limbo...and ignoring the rare complaints I get when I sometimes accidentally leave bubble up 1 second longer than needed. I know a good limbo can be useful so I rarely ever complain about one...unless they are just being a jerk
I really, truly appreciate this video. I'm more of a casual(yet longtime) player of the game and as soon as I saw Top Hat Man, I had to main him. However, as you pointed out, he is at his best when playing solo, which I usually do not do for extended periods of time. For a good while, I've been using him at an intermediate level: i.e. knowing a good chunk about how his skills/passive interact, fiddling with hoe bonkers Rift Surge really is, etc. But I did not know you could hold his Banish to do that interaction with Rift Surge. Time to go even deeper into the rift with this fine gent~
If you want to hate your teammates play harrow. If you want your teammates to hate you play limbo
Limbo prime honestly got me into warframe and helped me get the rest of my frames
I've watched this video 14x . . . Still working on figuring out the mechanics