Hi, this video has a lot of background noise. I appreciate the fact that you drove the car by the speed limit and not below the speed limit like many other EV TH-camrs do. This is the type of video I have been looking for, to give me an idea of EV performance and cost on road trips. This video, confirms my opinion about EVs. They are less efficient on road trips compared with ICE. Road trips cost more with EVs than ICE cars. They are excellent city-round around cars and best used as a 2nd car. Very convenient for daily regular drives of 100 miles and below and you can easily charge it at home. Due to charging stops, road trips are longer with EVs. An Efficient ICE or HEV or PHEV, would cost less, and take less time than a comparable EV on a round trip. In my opinion, a PHEV meets my needs more than any EV. Thank you for the video.
Friends of mine just did a holiday trip to Portugal, from Den Haag. 5000 km. It was a nightmare and they will never ever do it again. They thought that they could just drive, eat and charge, sleep and charge. They had to redo the whole planning and make it all about finding a charger, preferable once that work. They where used to do road trips in the Netherlands where infrastructure is good. But once you go outside..... In the month of May I will go on a road trip to Hungary. Make a stop in Dresden to sleep there. I know It is going to be brilliant, in my twenty odd year old alfa Romeo 156 1.8 TS with only 145 HP
Totally agree, petrol/diesels can be better for trips like that, but also apps like ABetterRoutePlanner can make journeys like that a little less stressful - it'd still be one hell of a journey and an adventure..... but a little easier!
I have a colleague in Hungary who does business in Hungary and surrounding nations Our employer is trying to force him.to.have an EV to meet their Net Zero targets. Yet he says the infrastructure for public chargers is so awful that it would be basically impossible for him.to do his job.
Honestly Can't Say I've had that experience. In fact in cold weather the ability to pre-warm the cabin before I get in in the morning has been a god send! I'll have to get back to you on the tyres, I'm just coming up to 5k miles and they've still got the 'hairs' on the shoulders!
Have you even SAT in an EV, let alone driven one? They're fantastic in cold weather. Start far more reliably than ICE cars, and the pre-heat facility means you're getting into a toasty-warm car from the off. You don't even have to scrape a windscreen ever again, the car does it all remotely. Sure, the fuel efficiency drops off more than an ICE car's in the cold, but so long as you have the winter range to do your day-to-day driving without a charging stop, that's of no consequence. If you don't have that, you bought the wrong car. Charging on a day-to-day basis is utterly painless. Come home, plug in car (20 seconds), go inside. Next morning, unplug car (another 20 seconds) and drive off with the full range available again. Every time. Never need to stand holding a fuel nozzle ever again. And never need to go near a DC charger unless you're on a long road trip. And even there, it's seldom the nightmare some popular TH-cam channels like to paint it as. It's also getting less nightmarish by the week as more and more banks of ultra-rapid chargers are going in. Fleet managers say that their EVs wear tyres at much the same rate as their ICE cars. But then one guy said, well there is one thing we notice. A new EV driver often goes through his first set of tyres faster, because the instant torque is such a novelty, and he's like "hey, look at this thing go!" all the time. But then they settle down and it's just normal wear.
@@thatrobchalmersbloke I took the ferry from the bottom of the North Island down to the bottom of the South Island, Wellington to Bluff and back, 3000km.
The trouble with these videos are that they are simulated. A trip around major roads with service stations. Try going to visit friends 100 miles away with family on board. You won't be able to charge at their house, the nearest charger is 10 miles away and is 11kw. I'd disappear for 2hrs to charge up enough to get back home. I'm sure Solicitors will introduce a new reason for divorce and it'll be "partner bought an EV". Until infrastructure catches up, EVs are unusable especially if it's your only car.
Hi, guessing you didn't stay to the end of the video, for the last two years I have been doing a ~500mile journey to visit family from Warrington to Wigton, Carlisle, Edinburgh and Glasgow on the Friday before Xmas. The busiest day of the year with presents and family on board. Last year I did it even with a storm force head winds. The number of chargers is ramping up insanely quickly and journeys are get very easy to do as fewer places are not covered by infrastructure
Oh my god 320 mile trip and two!!! Charging stops planned.... Jesus wept. My petrol automatic will do 450-500 miles of Motorways so i can do 320 miles, then plenty local running around before a 4 minutes "recharge". No wonder everyone calls them milkfloats Always be charging (at slow rates vs a proper car) Always be Coffeeing Always be peeing due to always be Coffeeing Always be snacking due to Always be Charging and bored And frequently cost of charging publicly is nearly double cost of Petrol per mile and easily double cost of diesel. (Grid serve and instavolt) ! relaxing due to no time to wait ! Hahahaha. Fine for retired people and people who do not value their free time
Good points, yeah they can't go as far as a diesel/petrol. Or 'charge' as quickly. The car could do it on 1 stop (and still be slower) but I want to try out the charger at Thirsk I often drive past.
@@thatrobchalmersbloke No, Warren Smith, obvs. It's Lee MacMaster who calls his lovely Porsche Taycan a milk float. It is the car's actual voice-recognition name.
@@moragkerr9577 and Car Delivery driver EV Carnage who calls them Milkfloats Oh and me. I called them that about... 10 years before I ever saw a MacMaster TH-cam video. Due to all the short range EVs being pushed. On MacMaster Two options spring to mind. He's either a bit of a fool and bad at decision making Or He's deliberately in some videos overegging it. On JOGLE there is no way he'd have done that to himself deliberately. I'm going for ... He's a media industry guy. Few of them have a working logical Braincell. We're not all unthinking fools that just follow what someone else says to us......
The actual driving is very relaxing and easy. My bladder range is far less than my car. Having to stop for 25 minutes I find keeps me fresher. If you have something a bit more aerodynamic efficiency is very good on the motorways.
I'm not sure I entirely understand the reason for this, but many people are remarking on it. I'm simply not as tired on an EV trip as I would have been on the same trip in my ICE car. Indeed, I'm not tired at all. I think it's probably a combination of several things. 1. Not sitting over a roaring, vibrating piston engine is relaxing, and you can hear the stereo properly. 2. The charging stops force you to take the rest breaks you should take to avoid driver fatigue, but we often don't do in ICE cars. 3. Modern driving aids like ACC cut down on fatigue on long motorway journeys (this isn't unique to EVs of course). Nevertheless it's so pronounced, and I notice it even on trips where I haven't had to stop to charge and haven't used the ACC, that I start to wonder if there is a slight leak of CO into the cabin of ICE cars, just enough to make the occupants feel a bit shitty.
This video was very nearly unwatchable! The lousy audio for the bulk of it did _not_ combine well with Fatty's darn English accent, which totally removes the spikes (highlights) of English words so at least there is a prayer of sussing out what the words are. Then there is the standard mystery of UK navigation which assumes that "everyone" knows where things are and so it is not necessary to be explicit and give a state/county/highway number/etc. when they mention a location. At least it was clear that this covered the "north" of England, though I am pretty shaky if that includes Scotland or not.
Hi, Thanks for the feedback. So, yeah the audio is shocking, along with the editing, camera work(shaking because I was shivering in the cold) . The route was from Warrington in Cheshire, across the M62 on to the M1, the the A1M, then the A19 to Thirsk in North Yorkshire. The back along the A19 to the A1M up to the A66 across to Carlisle in Cumbria, then down the M6 to Warrington. I Can confirm I didn't go into Scotland As that is a different country to England. To be honest I wasn't expecting anyone outside the England, let alone the UK to ever see this😂, but I take note to be clearer next time👍
@@thatrobchalmersbloke One of the great memories I have when my wife and I were driving around in Scotland is trying to get directions to somewhere not very far away. Directions were consistently incomprehensible to anyone not from the area even though I tried six or seven different people. I still wonder what a "jellyworks" might be as that was the key to exiting from a roundabout in the proper direction. Apparently it was torn down 20 years before I was there in 1998. So I *really* wonder what would be visible 20 years later and why it might still be a landmark in everyone's recollection!
I drove from San Francisco to Las Vegas a few weeks ago. Guess how many apps the trip required? Zero point zero. I could also take the most direct route and it took just seven hours and 1 1/2 tanks of petrol. EV roadtrips are shit.
Thanks, that's a fair point. As the video shows I did take the most direct route, and I can do it without apps. MAYBE that could be a future video!!! Thanks for the idea!
Maybe people should ask themselves -How shit is my purchasing decision making! Why buy an EV if you are doing really long road trips? Every intelligent buyer knows the ranges of EVs (Marketing ranges and WLTP). Everyone knows the charging infrastructure isn't there yet. Everyone knows how long it takes to charge an EV based on the capability of your EV and the charger you are plugged into. So if your commute is not suitable for an EV, why buy one just now? Wait until either the mileage range on EVs gets better or the infrastructure improves. Don't complain about the bad purchasing decision you made!!!
Hi Graeme, Thanks for the feedback, As you can see the infrastructure is progressing really quickly as there was tons of free chargers when I stopped. But, yes, I definitely take your point that if you're looking at an EV then you should make sure its is capable of meeting your needs and not buy it if it doesn't, just like you wouldn't buy a Petrol car it doesn't meet your needs. On a day to day basis this far exceeds my 70-80mile a day commuting needs and its relaxing and stress free on a road trip like this - I'm very happy with it. Although You have given me an Idea for a future Video! THANK YOU!
@@thatrobchalmersbloke Yep, we are still in an early adopter phase for EVs. And just like mobile phones, smart watches, video cassette players( remember them), some were good, some were frankly awful. But one thing for sure was that they improved exponentially in a very short period of time. The only difference with EVS is the cost. It is probably the second most expensive purchase people make after a house. Get it wrong and people get upset. Some blame the product unfairly. People could buy a hybrid just now or stick with petrol for another few years.
Yeah but int 11 years time and even then I'll probably still race a petrol car or have one for fun because you're still allowed to buy/sell used cars after 2035. Thinking about how far the EV space has come in the last 11 years is huge and given another 11years of development and infrastructure building things maybe different. Its important to say there is no one single answer, Everything electric/hydrogen/diesel/petrol/synthetic, there will always be a mix and we just need to find that balance.
@@presstodelete1165 I think you are a bit extreme in your worries. There will still be petrol cars around in 2030+. Petrol stations may be fewer. And there will be loads of second hand EVs about too. EV mileage ranges will be double if not triple what they are now. Charging times will drop to a couple of minutes with solid state batteries. Like I said earlier nobody is forcing people to buy an EV just now. Technology improvements and market preferences will determine the acceptance of EVs
Hi, this video has a lot of background noise. I appreciate the fact that you drove the car by the speed limit and not below the speed limit like many other EV TH-camrs do. This is the type of video I have been looking for, to give me an idea of EV performance and cost on road trips. This video, confirms my opinion about EVs. They are less efficient on road trips compared with ICE. Road trips cost more with EVs than ICE cars. They are excellent city-round around cars and best used as a 2nd car. Very convenient for daily regular drives of 100 miles and below and you can easily charge it at home. Due to charging stops, road trips are longer with EVs. An Efficient ICE or HEV or PHEV, would cost less, and take less time than a comparable EV on a round trip. In my opinion, a PHEV meets my needs more than any EV. Thank you for the video.
Friends of mine just did a holiday trip to Portugal, from Den Haag. 5000 km.
It was a nightmare and they will never ever do it again.
They thought that they could just drive, eat and charge, sleep and charge. They had to redo the whole planning and make it all about finding a charger, preferable once that work.
They where used to do road trips in the Netherlands where infrastructure is good. But once you go outside.....
In the month of May I will go on a road trip to Hungary. Make a stop in Dresden to sleep there.
I know It is going to be brilliant, in my twenty odd year old alfa Romeo 156 1.8 TS with only 145 HP
Totally agree, petrol/diesels can be better for trips like that, but also apps like ABetterRoutePlanner can make journeys like that a little less stressful - it'd still be one hell of a journey and an adventure..... but a little easier!
I have a colleague in Hungary who does business in Hungary and surrounding nations
Our employer is trying to force him.to.have an EV to meet their Net Zero targets.
Yet he says the infrastructure for public chargers is so awful that it would be basically impossible for him.to do his job.
Yeh, probably a bit optimistic just now!
theyre crap in the cold weather, charging IS a nightmare and they chew tyres for fun
Honestly Can't Say I've had that experience. In fact in cold weather the ability to pre-warm the cabin before I get in in the morning has been a god send! I'll have to get back to you on the tyres, I'm just coming up to 5k miles and they've still got the 'hairs' on the shoulders!
Which EV are you driving Paul?
Have you even SAT in an EV, let alone driven one?
They're fantastic in cold weather. Start far more reliably than ICE cars, and the pre-heat facility means you're getting into a toasty-warm car from the off. You don't even have to scrape a windscreen ever again, the car does it all remotely. Sure, the fuel efficiency drops off more than an ICE car's in the cold, but so long as you have the winter range to do your day-to-day driving without a charging stop, that's of no consequence. If you don't have that, you bought the wrong car.
Charging on a day-to-day basis is utterly painless. Come home, plug in car (20 seconds), go inside. Next morning, unplug car (another 20 seconds) and drive off with the full range available again. Every time. Never need to stand holding a fuel nozzle ever again. And never need to go near a DC charger unless you're on a long road trip. And even there, it's seldom the nightmare some popular TH-cam channels like to paint it as. It's also getting less nightmarish by the week as more and more banks of ultra-rapid chargers are going in.
Fleet managers say that their EVs wear tyres at much the same rate as their ICE cars. But then one guy said, well there is one thing we notice. A new EV driver often goes through his first set of tyres faster, because the instant torque is such a novelty, and he's like "hey, look at this thing go!" all the time. But then they settle down and it's just normal wear.
I did a 3000km road trip in a 30kWh leaf. Going to try about 1500km next week.
Fair play! How many laps of the islands is that! I would like to do longer stuff, it's just finding the time away from work and family for me
@@thatrobchalmersbloke I took the ferry from the bottom of the North Island down to the bottom of the South Island, Wellington to Bluff and back, 3000km.
Guessing you went the Christchurch side of South rather than the Alps! Great to hear the infrstructure down there can support a trip like this
How long did you end up sat charging for in the end Rob? Glad the new car is working for you!
Ignore me, just heard the end 😂
Glad you stayed to the end and didn't dose off!
The trouble with these videos are that they are simulated. A trip around major roads with service stations.
Try going to visit friends 100 miles away with family on board.
You won't be able to charge at their house, the nearest charger is 10 miles away and is 11kw.
I'd disappear for 2hrs to charge up enough to get back home.
I'm sure Solicitors will introduce a new reason for divorce and it'll be "partner bought an EV".
Until infrastructure catches up, EVs are unusable especially if it's your only car.
Hi, guessing you didn't stay to the end of the video, for the last two years I have been doing a ~500mile journey to visit family from Warrington to Wigton, Carlisle, Edinburgh and Glasgow on the Friday before Xmas. The busiest day of the year with presents and family on board. Last year I did it even with a storm force head winds. The number of chargers is ramping up insanely quickly and journeys are get very easy to do as fewer places are not covered by infrastructure
I can hardly hear what you're saying. Next time please record audio that can be understood. Thanks.
Yeah, sorry about that I'm looking at getting some better equipment. I did balance it as much as I could but I think I need a standalone mic
Oh my god 320 mile trip and two!!! Charging stops planned.... Jesus wept.
My petrol automatic will do 450-500 miles of Motorways so i can do 320 miles, then plenty local running around before a 4 minutes "recharge".
No wonder everyone calls them milkfloats
Always be charging (at slow rates vs a proper car)
Always be Coffeeing
Always be peeing due to always be Coffeeing
Always be snacking due to Always be Charging and bored
And frequently cost of charging publicly is nearly double cost of Petrol per mile and easily double cost of diesel. (Grid serve and instavolt)
! relaxing due to no time to wait ! Hahahaha. Fine for retired people and people who do not value their free time
Good points, yeah they can't go as far as a diesel/petrol. Or 'charge' as quickly. The car could do it on 1 stop (and still be slower) but I want to try out the charger at Thirsk I often drive past.
You really need to stop watching The MacMaster. Every one of his videos is a string of contrived fakes.
Me?
@@thatrobchalmersbloke No, Warren Smith, obvs. It's Lee MacMaster who calls his lovely Porsche Taycan a milk float. It is the car's actual voice-recognition name.
@@moragkerr9577 and Car Delivery driver EV Carnage who calls them Milkfloats
Oh and me. I called them that about... 10 years before I ever saw a MacMaster TH-cam video. Due to all the short range EVs being pushed.
On MacMaster
Two options spring to mind.
He's either a bit of a fool and bad at decision making
Or
He's deliberately in some videos overegging it.
On JOGLE there is no way he'd have done that to himself deliberately.
I'm going for ... He's a media industry guy. Few of them have a working logical Braincell.
We're not all unthinking fools that just follow what someone else says to us......
Refreshing look at driving an ev long distance, actually quite calming 😊
Thank you very much!
The actual driving is very relaxing and easy. My bladder range is far less than my car. Having to stop for 25 minutes I find keeps me fresher. If you have something a bit more aerodynamic efficiency is very good on the motorways.
I'm not sure I entirely understand the reason for this, but many people are remarking on it. I'm simply not as tired on an EV trip as I would have been on the same trip in my ICE car. Indeed, I'm not tired at all. I think it's probably a combination of several things.
1. Not sitting over a roaring, vibrating piston engine is relaxing, and you can hear the stereo properly.
2. The charging stops force you to take the rest breaks you should take to avoid driver fatigue, but we often don't do in ICE cars.
3. Modern driving aids like ACC cut down on fatigue on long motorway journeys (this isn't unique to EVs of course).
Nevertheless it's so pronounced, and I notice it even on trips where I haven't had to stop to charge and haven't used the ACC, that I start to wonder if there is a slight leak of CO into the cabin of ICE cars, just enough to make the occupants feel a bit shitty.
This video was very nearly unwatchable! The lousy audio for the bulk of it did _not_ combine well with Fatty's darn English accent, which totally removes the spikes (highlights) of English words so at least there is a prayer of sussing out what the words are. Then there is the standard mystery of UK navigation which assumes that "everyone" knows where things are and so it is not necessary to be explicit and give a state/county/highway number/etc. when they mention a location. At least it was clear that this covered the "north" of England, though I am pretty shaky if that includes Scotland or not.
Hi, Thanks for the feedback. So, yeah the audio is shocking, along with the editing, camera work(shaking because I was shivering in the cold) . The route was from Warrington in Cheshire, across the M62 on to the M1, the the A1M, then the A19 to Thirsk in North Yorkshire. The back along the A19 to the A1M up to the A66 across to Carlisle in Cumbria, then down the M6 to Warrington. I Can confirm I didn't go into Scotland As that is a different country to England. To be honest I wasn't expecting anyone outside the England, let alone the UK to ever see this😂, but I take note to be clearer next time👍
@@thatrobchalmersbloke One of the great memories I have when my wife and I were driving around in Scotland is trying to get directions to somewhere not very far away. Directions were consistently incomprehensible to anyone not from the area even though I tried six or seven different people. I still wonder what a "jellyworks" might be as that was the key to exiting from a roundabout in the proper direction. Apparently it was torn down 20 years before I was there in 1998. So I *really* wonder what would be visible 20 years later and why it might still be a landmark in everyone's recollection!
I drove from San Francisco to Las Vegas a few weeks ago. Guess how many apps the trip required? Zero point zero. I could also take the most direct route and it took just seven hours and 1 1/2 tanks of petrol. EV roadtrips are shit.
Thanks, that's a fair point. As the video shows I did take the most direct route, and I can do it without apps. MAYBE that could be a future video!!! Thanks for the idea!
@@wallykramer7566 I couldn't watch it because of the sound issues unfortunately. A66 goes to Penrith, A69 goes to Carlisle.
Maybe people should ask themselves -How shit is my purchasing decision making! Why buy an EV if you are doing really long road trips? Every intelligent buyer knows the ranges of EVs (Marketing ranges and WLTP). Everyone knows the charging infrastructure isn't there yet. Everyone knows how long it takes to charge an EV based on the capability of your EV and the charger you are plugged into. So if your commute is not suitable for an EV, why buy one just now? Wait until either the mileage range on EVs gets better or the infrastructure improves. Don't complain about the bad purchasing decision you made!!!
Hi Graeme, Thanks for the feedback, As you can see the infrastructure is progressing really quickly as there was tons of free chargers when I stopped. But, yes, I definitely take your point that if you're looking at an EV then you should make sure its is capable of meeting your needs and not buy it if it doesn't, just like you wouldn't buy a Petrol car it doesn't meet your needs. On a day to day basis this far exceeds my 70-80mile a day commuting needs and its relaxing and stress free on a road trip like this - I'm very happy with it. Although You have given me an Idea for a future Video! THANK YOU!
@@thatrobchalmersbloke Yep, we are still in an early adopter phase for EVs. And just like mobile phones, smart watches, video cassette players( remember them), some were good, some were frankly awful. But one thing for sure was that they improved exponentially in a very short period of time. The only difference with EVS is the cost. It is probably the second most expensive purchase people make after a house. Get it wrong and people get upset. Some blame the product unfairly. People could buy a hybrid just now or stick with petrol for another few years.
And yet the legislation is in place to mandate their use, is this me or the Government jumping the gun?
Yeah but int 11 years time and even then I'll probably still race a petrol car or have one for fun because you're still allowed to buy/sell used cars after 2035. Thinking about how far the EV space has come in the last 11 years is huge and given another 11years of development and infrastructure building things maybe different. Its important to say there is no one single answer, Everything electric/hydrogen/diesel/petrol/synthetic, there will always be a mix and we just need to find that balance.
@@presstodelete1165 I think you are a bit extreme in your worries. There will still be petrol cars around in 2030+. Petrol stations may be fewer. And there will be loads of second hand EVs about too. EV mileage ranges will be double if not triple what they are now. Charging times will drop to a couple of minutes with solid state batteries. Like I said earlier nobody is forcing people to buy an EV just now. Technology improvements and market preferences will determine the acceptance of EVs
poor sound
Yup, sorry