@@evanrozsa In the video, DG mentioned that the White Sox and Angels are considered second in their city to the Cubs and Dodgers, respectively. This was also the case in the 1950s with the Boston Braves, St. Louis Browns, and the A’s themselves in Philadelphia, being inferior to the Red Sox, Cardinals, and Phillies, leading to the lesser teams leaving town.
Coyotes are all but gone and I agree with you. It was always a poor decision. I know some other warm weather hockey teams have done well with Vegas and Tampa, but that is mostly because they have been lucky in that they have been unsustainably good teams.
@@timreeves8937 not so fast, they are set to inactive, not gone. If they can secure and build a new arena within 5 years, they will be brought back as an expansion franchise. similar to what happened to the Browns from 1995-1999. So, they may not be done quite yet.
The Rays or WhiteSox need to move to Charlotte!!! The Carolina's are growing extremely fast with zero pro teams during the summer months. Baseball would do outstanding in Charlotte. So much better than some of the dying cities holding on to their teams.
The Rays have one of the best TV ratings in baseball. People don’t go to the games because of the location. If they build a new stadium in the same area, they might as well relocate because it’s going to be the same problems. They will have a spike in attendance for the first few years of the new stadium and then it will be the same old same old.
The problem is the owner doesn't want to use his own money to build Also Tampa and Hillsborough county won't give him money while St Pete and Pinellas county will
The Rays WILL build a new stadium in St. Pete. As much as I think it should be in Tampa (preferably Ybor), a new lower capacity stadium, further development in St. Pete, and a continued great on-field product/high TV ratings will sustain them.
If the new 1991 White Sox Park was in the same footprint and field orientation as the old one I would like it. But the across the street location and it now pointing southeast - I just cannot get used to it. It was a MISTAKE.
The White Sox were almost moved to Seattle in 1975 to settle lawsuits from Washington state and King County over the loss of the Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee in 1970.
@@TheBrooklynbodine Finley's insurance business was based in Chicago. His ownership group tried to get the Chisox in the late 50s, but Bill Veeck won that bid.
Yep, and in 1959, the Chisox won their 1st pennant since 1919. They would lose the WS to the Dodgers in 6, but in 2005, they swept the Astros, who were still in the NL.
The Scottsdale Mayor "Unfortunately, the Coyotes developers did not consult with me or Scottsdale officials. I was never given the courtesy of a planning meeting to find a win- win solution. However, I did meet with the Arizona State Land Department and they agree with my analysis. The ASLD bid documents will require the successful bidder to fully develop the 64th Street /101 access. Essentially, there is an OPEN NET! at 64th/ 101, so the Coyotes can score easily."
Even Arte Moreno isn't stupid enough to move the Angels out of Orange County. They draw very well even despite the losing, the could very easily get a new stadium built in the current parking lot or elsewhere in Orange County
Exactly. Way too much money in OC for the Angels to leave. This dude knows nothing about the area. He gets his info from shit posters and memes on Twitter.
1) That rendering for the new Coyotes arena is fantastic and I hope it happens for them. 2) The Rays WILL build a new stadium in St. Pete. As much as I think it should be in Tampa (preferably Ybor), a new lower capacity stadium, further development in St. Pete, and a continued great on-field product/high TV ratings will sustain them. 3) The White Sox aren't leaving Chicago. If developers want to get in on that new proposal, it will happen. Worst case scenario, they stay put at their current home. The only thing wrong with Guaranteed Rate is that it's facing the wrong way. Otherwise, they just need to redevelop the neighborhood around it. I know that second part is easier said than done, but it's not impossible. 4) Come on. 5) I'd hate to see Jacksonville leave. It would be Chargers part two. They'll one-up Miami in their renovations and Tampa will in turn one up them with RayJay. 6) They need a new stadium and to be called the Anaheim Angels.
Cities rarely develop neighborhoods around stadiums. This is a common lie to get public subsidies for stadium builds. The Ted in ATL is a great example. 2 average hotels and 1 bar across the street, surrounded by the hood. It never changed. That's why the Braves left the downtown and built The Battery, which also wouldn't have happened if the city was responsible for it. The old Metrodome in Minneapolis was another example, followed by US Bank Stadium now on the same spot. Hubert's across the street was a great bar. It was the only bar nearby and it closed and sold. Now it's a snob libtard bar, not for sports' fans. No other new bars or restaurants across the street have been built. Cleveland's football stadium/area is another example. So is KC, built 50 years ago. They have one hotel and gas station across the street, even though there's a ton of space. The list is endless.
@@PoliticallyIncorrect90 I meant more of an entertainment district that would let the higher property taxes do the dirty work. Most of the entertainment districts in the Tampa Bay Area happened like this.
The smarter move for The Rays is to move the team to Tampa proper. St. Petersburg is a nightmare to drive through, and the market in that area is not warm to having an MLB team there. The City of St. Petersburg should just let the team break their lease and allow them to relocate to Tampa or Orlando. The Arizona Coyotes are moving. The whole experience has been painful for both the team and the city. A move to Quebec City won't happen for two reasons. The first is that the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadians have expressed not wanting to share the revenue with a third team in the area. The second is the NHL commissioner looking at other cities that have both markets and the ability to build facilities to house the move. Plus, there needs to be an owner or ownership group who is willing to pay for the move to Quebec City and deal with the other two teams.
Quebec City has built new facilities to host an nhl team since the nordiques left in the 90s, plus they would only really take away crowds from Montreal, not Toronto. P.S., that 3rd team already exists and they’re called the Ottawa Senators.
@@arandomdudeontheinternet5792 And do you think those three teams are going to share their television markets with a team in Quebec City? Like I said previously, the teams in that area have already stated that they won't share revenue with a team in Quebec City and the NHL is looking at other places. The long-standing joke is Atlanta is one of these places. Also, the owner of the new Nordiques will probably ask for a new stadium with all of the modern fixes and we all know that's a deal breaker.
@@nyfinest017 they just built a new arena in 2015 with the capacity and hopes of an nhl/nba team, similar to T-mobile arena in Kansas City (not the one in Las Vegas). The arena is already home to the Quebec Remparts and sees really good attendance, I feel like if they could bring back the Winnipeg Jets, who had a worse situation to start out, they could easily bring back the Nordiques.
@@michaelleroy9281...... So? Illinois is losing population and the long term demographics of America is moving south and west. MLB can't just endlessly create expansion teams ether.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasaCharlotte wants a team sooo freaking bad. Please send them here where people would come from both Carolina's to see them. It's also where Shoeless is from so he could live in here in the Carolina's.
There are two major leagues, and the Cubs and Sox by and large play different opponents. That's how, assuming sufficient fan support, a fan base can support two reams.
I'll tell you what...I don't know if that is an actual proposed White sox new ballpark or just someones random idea but I really like it. It could do with at least one of the walls being taller for more character but those stacked levels in the outfield is a thing of beauty and something I thing some teams need to bring back. I just looks cool and leads to some cool home runs. Hell have the upper deck overhand onto the field. When the Twins first did theirs I saw that overhang and absolutely loved it and it is still very cool and unique but they really shrunk it and appeared to decrease how far it actually stuck out.
ANAHEIM is currently investing around the HONDA Center RN I havent heard anything about the Angels, last thing I heard was they were looking at a plot in Long Beach.
The thing that makes no sense about the coyotes relocation is what if they won the land bid before the season ended, if they relocated or not it would still take a few years to get the new arena and district built so they would still be playing in mullet arena for a few years even if they stayed in Arizona
Have you ever been to the stadium in Jacksonville? Its terrible. Add a roof to it...all you have is a dump with a top on it. Not saying team should leave - but play a few seasons in Gainesville or Orlando and completely start over here...
I hope the Angels don't move. The Dodgers fan base is so similar now to the Raiders that it is now dangerous to go to a game. Anaheim is so much better to go to than LA. They just need an owner that cares about the team.
They should though given US demographics are moving south and west and Illinois is losing population. A sport league can't endlessly expand and expand too. The era of a market having more than 1 team is ending unless it's NY or possibly LA
The Chiefs getting a new stadium on the wide-open Kansas side achieves nothing. They will have a bunch of empty space with a newer version of Arrowhead. They need to develop the current area around Arrowhead and Kauffman. This isn't difficult to figure out, although strangely, they've had 50 years to do it.
A heads up and detailed analysis, thank you. But I think you grossly, grossly underestimate the institutional and Bettman- specific commitment of the NHL to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix no matter what the objective realities. Gary Bettman would keep an NHL team in Phoenix even if Phoenix looked like the “highway into Atlanta” scene from the first episode of The Walking Dead.
@@willp.8120 The Coyotes will not be moving East of the Central Time Zone. The NHL does not want to upset the conference balance it has finally achieved.
The highest bidder for the Coyotes could be Houston with all that oil money. There’s an empty plot of land right across a highway from the Texans stadium where a theme park use to be that they could easily build a stadium on Or just renovate the Rocket’s stadium to make it duel purpose
The area around Tropicana field is very popular and growing so redeveloping the parking area around the field and a new stadium is only going to make that area more attractive. That’s why the owners wants to stay put. Also the entire Bay Area is an inconvenience for anyone no matter the location. That needs to stop being used as an excuse. Dodger fans spend hours in traffic and have it worse then a 10 minute drive across a bridge
Agreed, edge district right there ,redevelopment everywhere from the water out to 30th st, I see even Sundial getting a refresh ,rendering has stadium pushed closer to 11th st and 1st Ave s which gets it in a better spot
The Rays should build their facility in Tampa. St Pete is terrible cuz its a small barrier island and the bridges get ridiculously congested. Thats the problem they have now. Noone wants to go to games there cuz they dont want to sit in traffic for hours.
The Rays WILL build a new stadium in St. Pete. As much as I think it should be in Tampa (preferably Ybor), a new lower capacity stadium, further development in St. Pete, and a continued great on-field product/high TV ratings will sustain them.
@@stevenbauer4799Actually they do okay in ratings. Sports leagues looking at long term demographics. AZ is growing fast. It's diverse. Lot's of corporate headquarters there to help with sponsoring a team. Quebec is low population metro area, white, with minimal corporate sponsorship ability
It's surprising that there is even talk of the Chiefs relocating, but yeah a new stadium would be good, one that could be better if a fluke cold game happens again (too dangerous for the fans and players to play in that kind of cold), so they could get a hole-in-the-roof type stadium somewhere along I-635 on the Kansas side. Whatever they're now calling the Citrus Bowl in Orlando could handle NFL games while Jacksonville builds something new. It's sad about the Sox, but maybe the answer there is to build a larger, "Field of Dreams" type stadium 40-50 miles out in the far-flung suburbs that's still relatively easy for metro Chicago people to get to.
Sadly as a Sox fan, it would not surprise me in the least if they left. I'll be sad as all get out and would not support the franchise anymore, but i'm thinking MLB is probably salivating over thought of a growing Nashville fan base as opposed to us.
I too feel that this could be it for the Coyotes. If this latest deal doesn't go through, I feel Bettman will probably give them maybe 5, no more than 7, years to figure something out.
yotes threat level 95% and already have one foot out the door heading for slc. slc is already having a name the team contest. Coincedence or not... And funny thing is white sox threatened to move to tb in '80's.
@@FischerFan haha rell me about it. i haven't seen that az. troll since news of their departure broke. troll must be too teared up to troll in. and get this-dude says he was gonna take action to get me banned for reminding him of all those troll attempts harassing anyone who opposes yotes on every article. dude had 35 on one article. Troll got all butt hurt over that. I told him go ahead and take action that i could point out his pattern of harassment if he wants to go that route. he's been quiet since. And with yotes going bye bye probably wont see that troll anymore. maybe he was xavier guitterrez top liar for yotes. haha and fk him and his 'yotes aren't going anywhere' b s..
The Jacksonville Jaguars might want to take heed of what has happened in Miami with the Marlins' new ball park. Constructing a facility with tax dollars can prove to be very unpopular with residents.
I had said the Rays should go to Nashville. Some goober on here jumped all over it saying they should move to Orlando. Unreal. Florida doesn't support MLB but oddly they love their spring training.
If an NFL team wanted to relocate, what city that doesn't already have and NFL team would be big enough to support an NFL franchise and pitch in taxpayer money for a new stadium? Portland? San Diego (which just recently just lost their NFL team). Austin or San Antonio (Texans would not allow it).
After 30+ years of republican tax increases in a Missouri, the people are ground down by billionaires wanting 40-year tax installments on (local) residents. If the BILLIONAIRE doesn't think a new stadium is a good investment, then neither do we. See if Las Vegas needs a second team!
If Nashville would be a good option for both White Sox and Rays I wonder why we don’t see renderings there? Must be the new NFL stadium preventing them from a MLB. This seems like a good time for cities wanting teams to be offering solutions. With these teams plus issues with Angels hanging I wouldn’t bet on expansion within the next decade.
There isn’t really a push for baseball in Nashville right now, there are groups like Music City Baseball that are pushing for it but as for the general population here it’s not even on the radar. And that’s not even mentioning how little interest people have in paying for it all. This idea of Nashville as a huge expansion market that can’t wait to get a baseball team is not actually reality.
Relocation of the Coyotes and the Oakland A’s is the beginning of the end. The NHL has had many teams that no longer exist, most recently in the 1970’s. The reason professional sports has embraced gambling, in my view, is to engender interest in sports. There is over capacity in pro sports and someone is going out of business. Only the NFL remains unaffected.
Coyotes land auction is June 27, $68.5m min bid, winner needs to be present and provide a $16m cashiers check with a formalized plan on the land will be used on the 27th. 78% of similar land auctions in AZ have only a single bidder. High probability the Coyotes win the bid and then move forward with building the arena.
The sad part is... The A's are moving.. the Rays should move, The Marlins would be better without the owner who ran a team on the cheap that no longer exists only to buy the marlins and they are not well loved at home... The Yotes will probably end up moving... But the Chi-sox would only move if they are stupid.. They have a fairly new stadium (oh wait in ownership circles, it's obsolete after 5 years) and where the F will they go where they have that many fans... NY? I just get sick of pro-sports ownership threatening moving every time their lease is up... this isn't 75 years ago... most leagues have 30+ teams now.. the best locales are already taken. I think these teams need to go back to pre-WWII ways... if you want it.. You are welcome to build it. For fans to PAY to build it.. then PAY big $$$$ to enter it / event is getting abusive.
Illinois is losing population. Cubs always ruled that city anyway. Charlotte Nashville Indianapolis Salt Lake City San Antonio all want teams. And a sports league just can't endlessly expand and expand. The era of 2 teams in a market is over unless you are NY or possibly LA
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa I won’t argue that there are quite a few cities that would love a team… but there are other factors.. Media markets are huge.. and moving alienates your current fanbases. For the Rays… well, Tampa was the winter home of the Yankees for nearly a century now.. and they still draw better than the rays there. but most teams like the Royals or Chiefs… you have to start over.. and the royals… well, spend the money and the fans come.. build a team on the cheap.. and as Oakland has shown.. they stay home.
The Rays (and quite a few other teams) need to do what the Rangers did which was before starting construction they went to Atlanta and checked out the whole Braves complex and stadium. More teams likely will do the same considering the success the Braves had. At first people didn't understand the move so far away and with nothing there but now it has built up a whole little city around the park. It has been really popular. Basically you can come watch a 3 game series and spend your whole time there with hotels, restaurants, stores, theaters and even condos. It has been a ahuge success for the Braves and a team like the Rays specifically could really use such a place. Their team has been to consistently good for to long to still be struggling to draw in crowds. Their shitty dome simply has to be the main contributing cause until a better explanation arises.
Arrowhead is one of the 16 World Cup stadiums for the summer of 2026, so I am sure there will be some renovations, as FIFA always demands them. Perhaps the Chiefs can piggyback off those to get what they want.
The biggest problem is that the big league cachet has been used by the owners to make a monopoly/cash cow. Real baseball fans can enjoy warching the Toledo Mud Hens or the Durham Bulls at a reasonable cost. Some day, some unlucky city will be the last one foolish enough to commit billions of tax dollars to a grandiose pleasure palace, before the fans decide not to be duped any more.
Thank you, traveller from the future. Great to hear this before anyone else. Btw, can you slip me the MEGA Millions winning numbers for this Friday night's drawing?
St. Pete wants the land more than the team. I don't think Tampa will pay for a new park, and I damn well don't want to see the L. Ron Hubbard stadium in Clearwater. The owner should tell the Cuban people that if they throw out the Communists, he'll move the team there. He'll get a fanatic crowd and possibly a Nobel prize. Montreal can't match that.
If you think St. Petersburg is a terrible location, wait until the Nashville ownership group builds a stadium on the campus of Tennessee State University and tries to get families from Nashville's suburbs to come to night games in that neighborhood. It's going to be an epic failure.
There’s a difference between chances of moving and should move the rays may stay but they should move. Baseball never should’ve put two teams in Florida in the first place. It’s a transient retirement state and they already had plenty of minor-league baseball.
It more of a Florida problem than a city problem in Florida, why MLB baseball teams struggle with attendance. So, i don't think the rays moving to Orlando would help much. The whole thing is bizarre to me. Minor league baseball in Florida does pretty decent with attendence, but not major league baseball.
Both the Marlins and the Rays have been challenged franchises for the simple reason so many other MLB teams benefit from loyalty from fans across Florida that has been built through years of spring training.
Saving money for the players, staff, etc.? Sometimes these teams move because NOBODY IN THAT AREA cares about their team and, therefore, are willing to have their taxpayer money spent helping support their team. Professional sports has slowly become more business; when the multi-purpose stadiums of the 60s and 70s were built with PUBLIC money, people did not feel that way.
The White Sox have not only been in Chicago since 1900, they’re one of the founding teams of the American League. They’re right in the city they belong in. While personally I want the new ballpark at the 78, not a single tax dollar should go towards it. If we have to stay put where we are I’m willing to accept that too. But there is no Nashville White Sox, there is no Charlotte White Sox. ITS THE CHICAGO WHITE SOX!!!! F**k you Jerry, SELL THE TEAM!!!!
@@NHLCrazy2007 All it takes is one bid better than the Coyotes are willing to pay and the dream is over. Wish I had your confidence, your running out of suburbs that will put up with the teams bullshit.
@@brianlockwood5649 Wrong, bud. The Arizona Land Department is not going to select a winning bid unless whomever is even allowed to participate has a better plan for the site. But let's just have it come to this. You just keep dreaming the team loses the auction and relocates.
Here's a novel idea. Any NFL team that deserves to move to a new location should move in New Jersey. We have never had our own own NFL football team. LOL . 🥴
Coyotes will end up in Houston, Tillman wants a hockey team. Rays will be in Nashville. Sox are gone, probably Salt Lake or Montreal, Chiefs/Royals will go to the racetrack in Kansas. Jags stay where they are. Angels are going to Salt Lake.
Arizona should never have gotten an nhl team. It’s a bust Building a new stadium or arena will not solve tampas attendance. Or for any team, it has never worked in the past
for the chiefs to go to dallas they'll be going back to their original city which was dallas as they were the texans in the old AFL back in the 60's they are def staying in KC if anything just build a new arrowhead
I am a sox fan but I would rather see this team leave than for the taxpayers give them one more nickel. The problem is that we dont even know who the owners are. Reinsdork owns about 15% and the rest is owned by an investment group whose only concern is making money. I am sure they are out of towners and not even interested in the team winning. When Riensdick kicks it, some other smuck will step forward and run the team in the same manner. They give the fans a taste of winning and then they go back to maximizing profit. Chicago would be better off letting them creep out of town, and then promise to help fund a new stadium for a new franchise with an owner interested in competing for the world series year in and year out. The new White Sox would have tremendous support on the south side and would be a team we could be proud off.
I wonder if St. Louis would consider funding a bill to get the Chiefs. It would be moving further away than going to Kansas would but if they go to St. Louis the Chiefs would actually get to stay in Missouri where they are right now. I know a lot of St. Louis fans want a team back after losing the Rams. I would imagine the Chiefs would probably be the most desirable team for any city as the fans would know they are getting an instant Superbowl contender and will likely have both Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce for the rest of their careers.
@@atlas8884 Well Kelce was really just a throw in. You and I both know damn well every city would love to have a football team with Mahomes...which is why I listed him first. Mahomes is nowhere near retirement.
Relocation odds for the A's: 100%
@DepressedGinger do you believe that the Giants-A’s situation is another first/second rate situation like Chicago and LA?
@@jonclassicrockdrummer6445 What do you mean by this?
@@evanrozsa In the video, DG mentioned that the White Sox and Angels are considered second in their city to the Cubs and Dodgers, respectively. This was also the case in the 1950s with the Boston Braves, St. Louis Browns, and the A’s themselves in Philadelphia, being inferior to the Red Sox, Cardinals, and Phillies, leading to the lesser teams leaving town.
now that they closed the tropicana waiting to imploding it to build the new stadium
Maybe
The writing has been on the wall for the Coyotes for years. They never should've moved there to begin with.
Coyotes are all but gone and I agree with you. It was always a poor decision. I know some other warm weather hockey teams have done well with Vegas and Tampa, but that is mostly because they have been lucky in that they have been unsustainably good teams.
@@timreeves8937 not so fast, they are set to inactive, not gone. If they can secure and build a new arena within 5 years, they will be brought back as an expansion franchise. similar to what happened to the Browns from 1995-1999. So, they may not be done quite yet.
If the Rays build that new stadium in St. Pete it’s gonna be a repeat of LoanDepot park
it’s so obvious, we all know it’s inevitable
If they actually put the stadium IN TAMPA the Rays would get much better attendance
@@JeremyCruz-mv8wb True, if they were to stay in Tampa Bay they would be better off playing in Tampa itself rather then St. pete
easily
The Rays or WhiteSox need to move to Charlotte!!! The Carolina's are growing extremely fast with zero pro teams during the summer months. Baseball would do outstanding in Charlotte. So much better than some of the dying cities holding on to their teams.
Coyotes is probably now 90-95% after the news that came out since this video
The Angels are 8th in attendance right now. They’re not going anywhere.
Ginger the Angels dont have an attendance problem, just ownership
The Rays have one of the best TV ratings in baseball. People don’t go to the games because of the location. If they build a new stadium in the same area, they might as well relocate because it’s going to be the same problems. They will have a spike in attendance for the first few years of the new stadium and then it will be the same old same old.
Not to mention, Tampa clearly supports the Lightning and much of that is due to its location and on-ice success.
@@maxpowr90 too many minorites
@@maxpowr90 and also the Bucs.
The problem is the owner doesn't want to use his own money to build
Also Tampa and Hillsborough county won't give him money while St Pete and Pinellas county will
The Rays WILL build a new stadium in St. Pete. As much as I think it should be in Tampa (preferably Ybor), a new lower capacity stadium, further development in St. Pete, and a continued great on-field product/high TV ratings will sustain them.
The topics on your channel give me ADHD but I can't stop watching
Huh
@@elmomonster6043 yes
@@MiggerPlease ok then.
Dude, the white Sox have been in Chicago for 123 years, and you want to throw it all away ?
They aren’t even the most popular baseball team in their city
@@PHXNKVHXLIC So it doesn't matter
@@PHXNKVHXLIC How would you feel if the cubs decided to relocate?
Plenty of White Sox fans 😂
Don’t worry about other peoples ignorance
Modern owners almost never care about history or the fan base if they think they can make more money somewhere else.
Here's the deal.....the taxpayers are tired of paying for millionaires to make more millions.
Keep up the good work. Your presentation style is hella addicting.
If the new 1991 White Sox Park was in the same footprint and field orientation as the old one I would like it. But the across the street location and it now pointing southeast - I just cannot get used to it. It was a MISTAKE.
The White Sox were almost moved to Seattle in 1975 to settle lawsuits from Washington state and King County over the loss of the Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee in 1970.
Then Charlie Finley would have moved to the A's into Comiskey Park
Then Finley was going to move the A's to Chicago to replace the White Sox.
Never knew that, but I do remember in 1988 that there was talk of their moving to Sarasota, Florida.
@@TheBrooklynbodine Finley's insurance business was based in Chicago. His ownership group tried to get the Chisox in the late 50s, but Bill Veeck won that bid.
Yep, and in 1959, the Chisox won their 1st pennant since 1919. They would lose the WS to the Dodgers in 6, but in 2005, they swept the Astros, who were still in the NL.
One place I can't see an NHL team is Mexico City. This situation there with crime, drugs and the cartels make it avoidable.
Sounds like L.A.
@@howardcitizen2471 Ouch. 😂😂
Bro, again with the Angels.
Do some damn research.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN ATTENDANCE PROBLEM.
The Scottsdale Mayor
"Unfortunately, the Coyotes developers did not consult with me or Scottsdale officials. I was never given the courtesy of a planning meeting to find a win- win solution.
However, I did meet with the Arizona State Land Department and they agree with my analysis. The ASLD bid documents will require the successful bidder to fully develop the 64th Street /101 access. Essentially, there is an OPEN NET! at 64th/ 101, so the Coyotes can score easily."
Even Arte Moreno isn't stupid enough to move the Angels out of Orange County. They draw very well even despite the losing, the could very easily get a new stadium built in the current parking lot or elsewhere in Orange County
Exactly. Way too much money in OC for the Angels to leave.
This dude knows nothing about the area. He gets his info from shit posters and memes on Twitter.
1) That rendering for the new Coyotes arena is fantastic and I hope it happens for them.
2) The Rays WILL build a new stadium in St. Pete. As much as I think it should be in Tampa (preferably Ybor), a new lower capacity stadium, further development in St. Pete, and a continued great on-field product/high TV ratings will sustain them.
3) The White Sox aren't leaving Chicago. If developers want to get in on that new proposal, it will happen. Worst case scenario, they stay put at their current home. The only thing wrong with Guaranteed Rate is that it's facing the wrong way. Otherwise, they just need to redevelop the neighborhood around it. I know that second part is easier said than done, but it's not impossible.
4) Come on.
5) I'd hate to see Jacksonville leave. It would be Chargers part two. They'll one-up Miami in their renovations and Tampa will in turn one up them with RayJay.
6) They need a new stadium and to be called the Anaheim Angels.
Cities rarely develop neighborhoods around stadiums. This is a common lie to get public subsidies for stadium builds. The Ted in ATL is a great example. 2 average hotels and 1 bar across the street, surrounded by the hood. It never changed. That's why the Braves left the downtown and built The Battery, which also wouldn't have happened if the city was responsible for it. The old Metrodome in Minneapolis was another example, followed by US Bank Stadium now on the same spot. Hubert's across the street was a great bar. It was the only bar nearby and it closed and sold. Now it's a snob libtard bar, not for sports' fans. No other new bars or restaurants across the street have been built. Cleveland's football stadium/area is another example. So is KC, built 50 years ago. They have one hotel and gas station across the street, even though there's a ton of space. The list is endless.
@@PoliticallyIncorrect90 I meant more of an entertainment district that would let the higher property taxes do the dirty work. Most of the entertainment districts in the Tampa Bay Area happened like this.
Kinda looks like engine parts but really cool looking.
KC to Dallas 😂 Why didn't he include the Yankees moving to Boston? The Bengals to Pittsburgh?
I heard on the local news tonight in KC that Kansas is in talks with the chiefs and Royals on stadiums.
The smarter move for The Rays is to move the team to Tampa proper. St. Petersburg is a nightmare to drive through, and the market in that area is not warm to having an MLB team there. The City of St. Petersburg should just let the team break their lease and allow them to relocate to Tampa or Orlando.
The Arizona Coyotes are moving. The whole experience has been painful for both the team and the city. A move to Quebec City won't happen for two reasons. The first is that the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadians have expressed not wanting to share the revenue with a third team in the area. The second is the NHL commissioner looking at other cities that have both markets and the ability to build facilities to house the move. Plus, there needs to be an owner or ownership group who is willing to pay for the move to Quebec City and deal with the other two teams.
Quebec City has built new facilities to host an nhl team since the nordiques left in the 90s, plus they would only really take away crowds from Montreal, not Toronto. P.S., that 3rd team already exists and they’re called the Ottawa Senators.
@@arandomdudeontheinternet5792 And do you think those three teams are going to share their television markets with a team in Quebec City? Like I said previously, the teams in that area have already stated that they won't share revenue with a team in Quebec City and the NHL is looking at other places. The long-standing joke is Atlanta is one of these places.
Also, the owner of the new Nordiques will probably ask for a new stadium with all of the modern fixes and we all know that's a deal breaker.
@@nyfinest017 they just built a new arena in 2015 with the capacity and hopes of an nhl/nba team, similar to T-mobile arena in Kansas City (not the one in Las Vegas). The arena is already home to the Quebec Remparts and sees really good attendance, I feel like if they could bring back the Winnipeg Jets, who had a worse situation to start out, they could easily bring back the Nordiques.
Chicago: One NFL team. One NBA team. One NHL team. Two MLB teams...?
Chicago has had 2 baseball teams since 1901
Chicago also once had two football teams at once. The Chicago Bears and the Chicago Cardinals that later moved to St. Louis before moving to Phoenix.
@@michaelleroy9281...... So?
Illinois is losing population and the long term demographics of America is moving south and west. MLB can't just endlessly create expansion teams ether.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasaCharlotte wants a team sooo freaking bad. Please send them here where people would come from both Carolina's to see them. It's also where Shoeless is from so he could live in here in the Carolina's.
There are two major leagues, and the Cubs and Sox by and large play different opponents.
That's how, assuming sufficient fan support, a fan base can support two reams.
I love how the Rays want to replace an old-fashioned hard dome in St. Petersburg with...a *brand new* old-fashioned hard dome in St. Petersburg!
I'll tell you what...I don't know if that is an actual proposed White sox new ballpark or just someones random idea but I really like it. It could do with at least one of the walls being taller for more character but those stacked levels in the outfield is a thing of beauty and something I thing some teams need to bring back. I just looks cool and leads to some cool home runs. Hell have the upper deck overhand onto the field. When the Twins first did theirs I saw that overhang and absolutely loved it and it is still very cool and unique but they really shrunk it and appeared to decrease how far it actually stuck out.
Please make a video on the new Fox men’s college basketball postseason tournament
A lot of folks in Chicago will never be cubs fans
What about the Royals?
No mention of the Royals?
Too early in the process.
The Royals aren't leaving KC.
@PoliticallyIncorrect90 without a new stadium they will.
@@PoliticallyIncorrect90Preferably not leaving the K.
@@PoliticallyIncorrect90 The A's did back in the late 1960s. KC has also lost NHL and NBA teams. Don't think it can't happen again.
ANAHEIM is currently investing around the HONDA Center RN I havent heard anything about the Angels, last thing I heard was they were looking at a plot in Long Beach.
The thing that makes no sense about the coyotes relocation is what if they won the land bid before the season ended, if they relocated or not it would still take a few years to get the new arena and district built so they would still be playing in mullet arena for a few years even if they stayed in Arizona
Have you ever been to the stadium in Jacksonville? Its terrible. Add a roof to it...all you have is a dump with a top on it. Not saying team should leave - but play a few seasons in Gainesville or Orlando and completely start over here...
They're talking about making the Jaguars stadium 40-45k capacity. They have to move. No city support means no NFL team.
The city of St. Pete will pull out all stops to keep the Rays in their jurisdiction. They won’t let it happen.
I hope the Angels don't move. The Dodgers fan base is so similar now to the Raiders that it is now dangerous to go to a game. Anaheim is so much better to go to than LA. They just need an owner that cares about the team.
The Angels aren't going anywhere. This dude has no credibility
I dont think the white sox are going to move
They should though given US demographics are moving south and west and Illinois is losing population. A sport league can't endlessly expand and expand too. The era of a market having more than 1 team is ending unless it's NY or possibly LA
So the Royals are staying....?
“I think I’m gonna do a separate video on the Jacksonville jaguars stadium”
* Proceeds to upload video about the jaguars stadium within a few hours*
Coyotes should have moved 10yrs ago
The Chiefs getting a new stadium on the wide-open Kansas side achieves nothing. They will have a bunch of empty space with a newer version of Arrowhead. They need to develop the current area around Arrowhead and Kauffman. This isn't difficult to figure out, although strangely, they've had 50 years to do it.
White Sox not going anywhere. Posturing. Coyotes…. gone. Rays…just end it please.
A heads up and detailed analysis, thank you. But I think you grossly, grossly underestimate the institutional and Bettman- specific commitment of the NHL to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix no matter what the objective realities. Gary Bettman would keep an NHL team in Phoenix even if Phoenix looked like the “highway into Atlanta” scene from the first episode of The Walking Dead.
Don't be surprised if the Coyotes move to Atlanta and are rebranded the Thrashers, completing the triangle of Atlanta, Winnipeg, and Phoenix.
Just make Mullet their permanent home.
Just make Mullett their permanent home.
@@willp.8120 The Coyotes will not be moving East of the Central Time Zone. The NHL does not want to upset the conference balance it has finally achieved.
The highest bidder for the Coyotes could be Houston with all that oil money. There’s an empty plot of land right across a highway from the Texans stadium where a theme park use to be that they could easily build a stadium on
Or just renovate the Rocket’s stadium to make it duel purpose
The Rays opening a new stadium is one of the biggest waist of money that I've ever heard of.
Tampa bay Rays should consider the new Tampa area.
The Houston Coyotes sounds nice!
Would probably rename the team
The area around Tropicana field is very popular and growing so redeveloping the parking area around the field and a new stadium is only going to make that area more attractive. That’s why the owners wants to stay put. Also the entire Bay Area is an inconvenience for anyone no matter the location. That needs to stop being used as an excuse. Dodger fans spend hours in traffic and have it worse then a 10 minute drive across a bridge
Agreed, edge district right there ,redevelopment everywhere from the water out to 30th st, I see even Sundial getting a refresh ,rendering has stadium pushed closer to 11th st and 1st Ave s which gets it in a better spot
The idea of a team moving & then striking “gold” goes back to the Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves……
The Rays should build their facility in Tampa. St Pete is terrible cuz its a small barrier island and the bridges get ridiculously congested. Thats the problem they have now. Noone wants to go to games there cuz they dont want to sit in traffic for hours.
I think Cincinnati Coyotes has a nice ring to it.
The Rays WILL build a new stadium in St. Pete. As much as I think it should be in Tampa (preferably Ybor), a new lower capacity stadium, further development in St. Pete, and a continued great on-field product/high TV ratings will sustain them.
NHL isn’t moving Arizona to Quebec. Their US tv deal would take a massive hit. 0.00% chance they move the Coyotes there
you mean the local tv ratings where yote games tv ratings are piddly. yeah thats the ticket.
@@stevenbauer4799Actually they do okay in ratings.
Sports leagues looking at long term demographics. AZ is growing fast. It's diverse. Lot's of corporate headquarters there to help with sponsoring a team. Quebec is low population metro area, white, with minimal corporate sponsorship ability
@@stevenbauer4799their national tv deals with TNT/ESPN. They don’t want Arizona substituted with Quebec.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Quebec has a hockey fan base. Arizona is where people go to retire.
No one cares about the coyotes just stop
Coyotes are now 100% what a shame
Problem with the White Sox is the neighborhood the stadium sits.
It's surprising that there is even talk of the Chiefs relocating, but yeah a new stadium would be good, one that could be better if a fluke cold game happens again (too dangerous for the fans and players to play in that kind of cold), so they could get a hole-in-the-roof type stadium somewhere along I-635 on the Kansas side. Whatever they're now calling the Citrus Bowl in Orlando could handle NFL games while Jacksonville builds something new. It's sad about the Sox, but maybe the answer there is to build a larger, "Field of Dreams" type stadium 40-50 miles out in the far-flung suburbs that's still relatively easy for metro Chicago people to get to.
Relocation for Yotes is 100%. Welcome to the Salt Lake Brother-Husbands.
Sadly as a Sox fan, it would not surprise me in the least if they left. I'll be sad as all get out and would not support the franchise anymore, but i'm thinking MLB is probably salivating over thought of a growing Nashville fan base as opposed to us.
Tampa Bay is the location. Anywhere outside of St Pete and they will draw more people
I too feel that this could be it for the Coyotes. If this latest deal doesn't go through, I feel Bettman will probably give them maybe 5, no more than 7, years to figure something out.
They are not moving,
@@NHLCrazy2007 You were saying.......
yotes threat level 95% and already have one foot out the door heading for slc. slc is already having a name the team contest. Coincedence or not... And funny thing is white sox threatened to move to tb in '80's.
HI troll paul gweduzzi. triggered again? I've been waiting for you. what is the troll attempt count at now?
@@stevenbauer4799 He's probably crying in his Linus Van Pelt security blanket right now.
@@FischerFan haha rell me about it. i haven't seen that az. troll since news of their departure broke. troll must be too teared up to troll in. and get this-dude says he was gonna take action to get me banned for reminding him of all those troll attempts harassing anyone who opposes yotes on every article. dude had 35 on one article. Troll got all butt hurt over that. I told him go ahead and take action that i could point out his pattern of harassment if he wants to go that route. he's been quiet since. And with yotes going bye bye probably wont see that troll anymore. maybe he was xavier guitterrez top liar for yotes. haha and fk him and his 'yotes aren't going anywhere' b s..
BTW why would Coyotes not work?
The Jacksonville Jaguars might want to take heed of what has happened in Miami with the Marlins' new ball park.
Constructing a facility with tax dollars can prove to be very unpopular with residents.
I had said the Rays should go to Nashville. Some goober on here jumped all over it saying they should move to Orlando. Unreal. Florida doesn't support MLB but oddly they love their spring training.
and it should be left that wait having no franchises and ppl just enjoying the grapefruit league
Depressed Ginger should go to Nashville so he'll no longer be depressed. The Tampa Bay Rays are not going anywhere.
St. Pete does not want to end up like Oakland, CA. That's another reason a new stadium will be built in St. Pete for the Rays to stay.
There is no chance at all the Chiefs leave the KC area.
If an NFL team wanted to relocate, what city that doesn't already have and NFL team would be big enough to support an NFL franchise and pitch in taxpayer money for a new stadium? Portland? San Diego (which just recently just lost their NFL team). Austin or San Antonio (Texans would not allow it).
You can put an NFL team anywhere and it will be fine. I don’t think there’s a single worse location anywhere than Green Bay but they thrive.
Whitesox 3rd highest merch sells behind Yanks and Dodgers. Fans are there.
It’s more to do with their logo and colors.
Many Koreans who don't know MLB like Whitesox caps.
@@user-qk2qu2ql6e their merchandise would do more if ownership wanted to win
After 30+ years of republican tax increases in a Missouri, the people are ground down by billionaires wanting 40-year tax installments on (local) residents. If the BILLIONAIRE doesn't think a new stadium is a good investment, then neither do we. See if Las Vegas needs a second team!
If Nashville would be a good option for both White Sox and Rays I wonder why we don’t see renderings there? Must be the new NFL stadium preventing them from a MLB. This seems like a good time for cities wanting teams to be offering solutions. With these teams plus issues with Angels hanging I wouldn’t bet on expansion within the next decade.
There isn’t really a push for baseball in Nashville right now, there are groups like Music City Baseball that are pushing for it but as for the general population here it’s not even on the radar. And that’s not even mentioning how little interest people have in paying for it all. This idea of Nashville as a huge expansion market that can’t wait to get a baseball team is not actually reality.
Relocation of the Coyotes and the Oakland A’s is the beginning of the end. The NHL has had many teams that no longer exist, most recently in the 1970’s. The reason professional sports has embraced gambling, in my view, is to engender interest in sports. There is over capacity in pro sports and someone is going out of business. Only the NFL remains unaffected.
Seems like two team cities don't make sense anymore.
Coyotes land auction is June 27, $68.5m min bid, winner needs to be present and provide a $16m cashiers check with a formalized plan on the land will be used on the 27th. 78% of similar land auctions in AZ have only a single bidder.
High probability the Coyotes win the bid and then move forward with building the arena.
Until the developments of the past 48 hours.
The Mayo Clinic also wants the state land
The sad part is... The A's are moving.. the Rays should move, The Marlins would be better without the owner who ran a team on the cheap that no longer exists only to buy the marlins and they are not well loved at home... The Yotes will probably end up moving... But the Chi-sox would only move if they are stupid.. They have a fairly new stadium (oh wait in ownership circles, it's obsolete after 5 years) and where the F will they go where they have that many fans... NY? I just get sick of pro-sports ownership threatening moving every time their lease is up... this isn't 75 years ago... most leagues have 30+ teams now.. the best locales are already taken. I think these teams need to go back to pre-WWII ways... if you want it.. You are welcome to build it. For fans to PAY to build it.. then PAY big $$$$ to enter it / event is getting abusive.
Illinois is losing population. Cubs always ruled that city anyway. Charlotte Nashville Indianapolis Salt Lake City San Antonio all want teams. And a sports league just can't endlessly expand and expand. The era of 2 teams in a market is over unless you are NY or possibly LA
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa I won’t argue that there are quite a few cities that would love a team… but there are other factors.. Media markets are huge.. and moving alienates your current fanbases. For the Rays… well, Tampa was the winter home of the Yankees for nearly a century now.. and they still draw better than the rays there. but most teams like the Royals or Chiefs… you have to start over.. and the royals… well, spend the money and the fans come.. build a team on the cheap.. and as Oakland has shown.. they stay home.
Hockey doesn’t sell in a desert? Who’d’ve thunk?
Wow what miracle he did not talk about the marlins moving
with a new stadium they shouldn't
The Rays (and quite a few other teams) need to do what the Rangers did which was before starting construction they went to Atlanta and checked out the whole Braves complex and stadium. More teams likely will do the same considering the success the Braves had. At first people didn't understand the move so far away and with nothing there but now it has built up a whole little city around the park. It has been really popular. Basically you can come watch a 3 game series and spend your whole time there with hotels, restaurants, stores, theaters and even condos. It has been a ahuge success for the Braves and a team like the Rays specifically could really use such a place. Their team has been to consistently good for to long to still be struggling to draw in crowds. Their shitty dome simply has to be the main contributing cause until a better explanation arises.
Arrowhead is one of the 16 World Cup stadiums for the summer of 2026, so I am sure there will be some renovations, as FIFA always demands them. Perhaps the Chiefs can piggyback off those to get what they want.
The biggest problem is that the big league cachet has been used by the owners to make a monopoly/cash cow.
Real baseball fans can enjoy warching the Toledo Mud Hens or the Durham Bulls at a reasonable cost.
Some day, some unlucky city will be the last one foolish enough to commit billions of tax dollars to a grandiose pleasure palace, before the fans decide not to be duped any more.
I'm from the future, and I can tell you that the 'yotes are gone. 100%.
Thank you, traveller from the future. Great to hear this before anyone else. Btw, can you slip me the MEGA Millions winning numbers for this Friday night's drawing?
Once Crosby retires the Penguins are going to start tanking/rigging their draft lottery odds again to keep the team in Pittsburgh
St. Pete wants the land more than the team. I don't think Tampa will pay for a new park, and I damn well don't want to see the L. Ron Hubbard stadium in Clearwater. The owner should tell the Cuban people that if they throw out the Communists, he'll move the team there. He'll get a fanatic crowd and possibly a Nobel prize. Montreal can't match that.
If you think St. Petersburg is a terrible location, wait until the Nashville ownership group builds a stadium on the campus of Tennessee State University and tries to get families from Nashville's suburbs to come to night games in that neighborhood. It's going to be an epic failure.
CWS relocate? I really can't see that happening.
There’s a difference between chances of moving and should move the rays may stay but they should move. Baseball never should’ve put two teams in Florida in the first place. It’s a transient retirement state and they already had plenty of minor-league baseball.
Relocation for the Coyotes 100% now
It more of a Florida problem than a city problem in Florida, why MLB baseball teams struggle with attendance. So, i don't think the rays moving to Orlando would help much. The whole thing is bizarre to me. Minor league baseball in Florida does pretty decent with attendence, but not major league baseball.
Both the Marlins and the Rays have been challenged franchises for the simple reason so many other MLB teams benefit from loyalty from fans across Florida that has been built through years of spring training.
Why does billionaire ownership need taxpayers money for stadiums?
So they can stay billionaires
It’s that kind of thinking that keeps you from being a billionaire 😊
Saving money for the players, staff, etc.? Sometimes these teams move because NOBODY IN THAT AREA cares about their team and, therefore, are willing to have their taxpayer money spent helping support their team. Professional sports has slowly become more business; when the multi-purpose stadiums of the 60s and 70s were built with PUBLIC money, people did not feel that way.
I would think it's opposite more chance Ray's move then White Soxs
The Chiefs should move to Oklahoma, there's more Indians there than KC.
The White Sox have not only been in Chicago since 1900, they’re one of the founding teams of the American League. They’re right in the city they belong in. While personally I want the new ballpark at the 78, not a single tax dollar should go towards it.
If we have to stay put where we are I’m willing to accept that too. But there is no Nashville White Sox, there is no Charlotte White Sox. ITS THE CHICAGO WHITE SOX!!!!
F**k you Jerry, SELL THE TEAM!!!!
The only reason the coyotes continue to beat a dead horse is Gary Bettman won’t let go of a team In Phoenix. The man is a mental case.
Too damn bad. They are not moving.
@@NHLCrazy2007 All it takes is one bid better than the Coyotes are willing to pay and the dream is over. Wish I had your confidence, your running out of suburbs that will put up with the teams bullshit.
@@brianlockwood5649 Wrong, bud. The Arizona Land Department is not going to select a winning bid unless whomever is even allowed to participate has a better plan for the site. But let's just have it come to this. You just keep dreaming the team loses the auction and relocates.
Two cities never mentioned for possible MLB destinations is San Diego CA. (Again) and San Juan Puerto Rico.
You want a second team in SD? Dont think the Padres are gonna go for that.
SD can't afford another mlb team
So the Coyotes didn't even last the video release week.😅
If Chicago lost the White Sox they would still have the Cubs , but they would no longer have a team in the American League
The real question is whether there will be 2 differant leagues, in essense it already is just in name only.
The Coyotes have to move
No
@@brett_frondorf yes💀 in fact I’m gonna buy the team and move it North Korea
Well Arizona Coyotes are headed to Utah
Here's a novel idea. Any NFL team that deserves to move to a new location should move in New Jersey. We have never had our own own NFL football team. LOL . 🥴
Coyotes will end up in Houston, Tillman wants a hockey team. Rays will be in Nashville. Sox are gone, probably Salt Lake or Montreal, Chiefs/Royals will go to the racetrack in Kansas. Jags stay where they are. Angels are going to Salt Lake.
You forgot the Royals 5%
Arizona should never have gotten an nhl team. It’s a bust
Building a new stadium or arena will not solve tampas attendance. Or for any team, it has never worked in the past
for the chiefs to go to dallas they'll be going back to their original city which was dallas as they were the texans in the old AFL back in the 60's they are def staying in KC if anything just build a new arrowhead
I am a sox fan but I would rather see this team leave than for the taxpayers give them one more nickel. The problem is that we dont even know who the owners are. Reinsdork owns about 15% and the rest is owned by an investment group whose only concern is making money. I am sure they are out of towners and not even interested in the team winning. When Riensdick kicks it, some other smuck will step forward and run the team in the same manner. They give the fans a taste of winning and then they go back to maximizing profit. Chicago would be better off letting them creep out of town, and then promise to help fund a new stadium for a new franchise with an owner interested in competing for the world series year in and year out. The new White Sox would have tremendous support on the south side and would be a team we could be proud off.
I wonder if St. Louis would consider funding a bill to get the Chiefs. It would be moving further away than going to Kansas would but if they go to St. Louis the Chiefs would actually get to stay in Missouri where they are right now. I know a lot of St. Louis fans want a team back after losing the Rams. I would imagine the Chiefs would probably be the most desirable team for any city as the fans would know they are getting an instant Superbowl contender and will likely have both Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce for the rest of their careers.
@@atlas8884 Well Kelce was really just a throw in. You and I both know damn well every city would love to have a football team with Mahomes...which is why I listed him first. Mahomes is nowhere near retirement.