Why Dutch Van Der Linde is Rockstar's greatest antagonist [SPOILERS]
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- Dutch Van Der Linde's ego driven nature makes for one of the most interesting antagonists I have ever seen in a video game. Constantly at battle with his own ego, and willing to let go of people who consider him family if it puts him one step closer to achieving his goals. Hope you guys enjoy the video!
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I don’t think Dutch rejoined Micah at the end of the game. Micah says there’s lots of interesting visitors today, suggesting that Dutch turned up that day. When John asks what Dutch is doing there, he says, ‘Same as you, I suppose.’ Dutch intended on killing Micah, perhaps as revenge for Arthur, a man he once saw as a son.
Maybe, i'd hope that Dutch was at least a little remorseful in the end!
eyezayar I think it’s clear he’s a very different man by that time. He walked away from everything after he saw Arthur lying at his feet. And when we see him in the epilogue he says he hasn’t got much to say no more. Still held some resentment toward John but I’d like to think he was there to avenge Arthur.
@@Auzzie015 you might be right my guy, thats a really good take on it.
"Dutch? What are you doing here?
"Same as you, I suppose."
Dutch was there to kill Micah, whether that be for himself or for Arthur I'm not sure but that line just doesn't really make sense otherwise.
I had a GODDAMNED PLAAAAAANNNN
Tbh I thought Uncle's Lumbago was the greatest antagonist Rockstar had ever created.
Tree branches and rocks in RDR2 are scarier than lumbago and TB combined.
Or what about the rc planes from gta vc and sa
i told y'all i have lumbago
Legend has it that Uncle finally succumbed to his terminal Lumbago mere milliseconds before he would have died from his gunshot wound. Lumbago will not be denied its kill
Anthony Whitsed *sound effects of Arthur grunting in pain as he gets flung from his horse after running into a twig*
My favorite Durch Moment is his last scene before the epilogue, in those few seconds we can see that he realizes what happened to him and that he was manipulated.
He tries to say sorry, but he just can’t because his pride can’t let him do it, so he walks away.
Edit: Durch is love, Durch is Gavin’s Brother. I will never regret this.
Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins for a reason. He couldn’t swallow his pride and say sorry to his “son” who he let down
I forgive
You spelled Dutch wrong 😀
Who tf is Durch?! 😖
Fun Guns
Durch is Gavin.
Me personally, I believe Dutch is the best character Rockstar ever made. Sure we see people change in Rockstar games, But Dutch- The way he changed was so believable, and you could feel it slowly.
His development was slow and tense. Definitely an amazing character
Finally! Someone who has FAITTTHHH
Along with Arthur, Niko Belic and John Marston.
@@FlymanMS I love Arthur, make no mistake about that. But--- I believe Michael De Santa was the best protagonist.
@@JTmaxx He insists? Michael De fuckin Santa
RDR2’s entire story was just an outright masterpiece.
Agreed
So was 1
Rdr series is just a masterpiece
It was quite good, yeah
not to mention some of the side missions that you can entirely skip and have no bearing on the overall story are amazing too. you can tell they have some good people writing there!
As the great chief Rain Falls once said:
"People don't change, they just slowly show who they truly are".
*Rains Fall
that line really stuck with me
That is true of all people. People do not change, for the most part. Now to be clear, anybody can change if they want to, but that requires effort, and most are not willing to put forth the effort to do so.
A foolish and backwards philosophy. Of course people change.
As much as I like the game, the line is stupid and completely goes against how human psychology works.
Arthur donate 1,000,000 dollars
Duth: We need more goddamn MONEH
Arthur: ........
Need more MUNEH
One more train.
But you haven't donated enough faith goddamnit.
Arthur: BITCH VAN DER LINDE HOW ARE WE NOT ABLE TO RUN I DONATED ENOUGH MONEY TO PURCHASE ALL OF NEW HANOVER AND THE SURROUNDING STATES AND STILL GET ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY TAHITI.
Duth sems 2 ned mor M O N E H
There is something that Rains fall said to Arthur that is very interesting and I think this is a key theme in the character development of Arthur and Dutch and that is the fact that over time men become more of who they truly are. I feel that Arthur was always a good man deep down but he struggled to express who he truly is as the only thing he's ever known was the philosophy that Dutch instilled in him. Once the gang starts to fall apart , Dutch slowly getting more insane and desperate as each of his plans continue to fail, and Arthur's TB finally starting to take affect on him, this all contributes to Arthur reexamining his entire life and he realizes that maybe his entire life was a lie. Arthur also gains a new perspective on his childhood as he notices how Dutch took advantage of Eagle Flies who was a young and angry kid just like him and John when they first met Dutch and made him commit acts of violence just so that the government can focus more of their attention on the Native Americans. This makes Arthur feel that maybe Dutch really just took advantage of him all along. During the end of chapter 6 it's implied that Dutch might of never cared about Arthur and John at all. I don't think this was always the case but I think that the failed Blackwater job was the start of his descent into madness as this was the first time that Dutch lost control and killed an innocent hostage which shocked most of the gang. Hosea even mentions that he feels that after the failed Blackwater heist, he feels everything's changed. I think the constant doubting from Arthur and John, the head injury during the botched robbery at the Saint Denis trolley station, and finally Hosea's death is what finally made Dutch lose all sense of morality and go against his own philosophy. Last interesting thing that I've noticed about Dutch is how he speaks to the gang members which eerily reminds me of real life cult leaders as he always preaches to everyone that they have got to keep faith in him and the plan.
Thats a really good analysis man, completely agree. I definitely believe Arthur was a good man all along, he just learned to express it better when everything began to fall. Thank you for watching!
But in the ending of the epilogue i really do think that Dutch went there to kill Micah because when you meet Micah he says "some interesting visitors today", maybe stating that Dutch also just arrived on that day and Dutch also says that he has the same intention as John. To kill Micah and avenge Arthur. Maybe everything you say of Dutch is true, but I think that when he witnessed his "son" die, he realized his wrongs even through his madness. In that mission we see Dutch emerge from his insanity one last time to avenge his fallen family.
I picked up on the whole cult thing too...
Personally I tend to think Dutch was a pure psychopath from the start... Psychopaths lust for control above all else, of their own lives and of those around them, usually achieved through lies and manipulation.
1) Throughout the story, he displays bucket loads of the charisma and superficial charm associated with psychopathy, and maintains a front of compassion for others, while repeatedly showing his ability to kill innocents without remorse. He also shows the ability to turn it on and off at will, proving that it's really all an act. Early in the story he tells the gang he would gladly change places with those who have died. Exploring the camp at Horseshoe Overlook, you can find the same speech written out on paper, showing it was a rehearsed, planned statement, and not quite as heartfelt and genuine as it first appeared.
2) Dutch maintains his control through the promise of a life of freedom somewhere in the West. As the gang begins to lose faith in this vision, he changes it, first to Australia and then Tahiti. As these promises become more and more unrealistic and his control of the gang is threatened, his actions become ever more reckless and violent, as he desperately tries to maintain their loyalty. Later, when the gang is disillusioned and broken, he seems to show indifference and even contempt towards them, yet turns on his charms and enthusiasm for the young Wapiti warriors, whom he knows he can manipulate and control.
3) Showing the narcissism common with psychopaths, he never takes responsibility for his failures, blaming the gang for not having enough faith in him. He also takes great offence when Arthur "insists" he let the innocents go free.
4) Even at the very end of his life, he still shows a need for control, choosing to commit suicide rather than be shot by John. Again, this is something that often happens with psychopaths. When facing certain death, given the choice they will often take the option that gives them the most control in the situation
@@rmnlmao5569 I agree with everything you said about the fact that Dutch was there to kill Micah. I think Arthur's death was the last push for Dutch to finally realize that everything has gone to hell all due to Micah, that's why he left Micah and went on his own for awhile. When John goes to kill Micah, I feel that Micah was setting up Dutch and John to get caught by Ross and Fordham because both agents find his body and Ross looks disappointed, almost as if he was to turn Dutch and John in. It took John to remind Dutch of what Arthur and everyone did for him to finally realize that Micah needed to be put down.
It actually wasn’t a hostage it was one of their Gang members the girl Jenny or something like that
"We can't fight change.We can't fight nature.We can't fight gravity.All my life all I did was fight.Our time has passed John."-Dutch van der Linde
*jumps off clif*
He should have shouted
“PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!” On the way down
A nice line to recreate when Dutch jumped with Arthur
roblosonic 505 WE JUST NEED MORE MONEEEEeeeeeehhhhh...
Swan Ronson HAVE FAITH IN ME BOAH!!!
I don't think Dutch went insane after Hosea died. I think he started losing it before the game even started. They mention in the first chapter that a ferry Blackwater job went wrong, and Dutch killed a girl in a bad way. This is even mentioned by the strange man from the 'I know you' mission in rdr1. I want to see what happened at Blackwater so bad
I completely forgot about that, you're right. Wish we had a little more information about what happened too, maybe we will in a DLC???
@@eyezayar
What if Rockstar decides to go even further back in time , when Dutch and Hosea were forming the Van Der Linde gang and the events lead up to the massive Blackwater massacre. We could be even playing as Dutch himself in Red Dead Redemption 3...who knows 😄
@@Zeegoku1007 that would be interesting
I'd argue Dutch killing the girl was the actual start of his downfall, because it was his first noteworthy mistake. It was the first time he lost control, and the first time his gang started to really question him, putting the first scratches on the ego that he never had to fight for previously.
@@eyezayar It's not out of the realm of possibility for a DLC. I'm thinking we'd have to play as Dutch ourselves in the dlc, since the dialouge between Arthur and Dutch at the start of the game means Arthur wasn't even in Blackwater or doesn't know exactly what happened.
Arthur: "What really happened back there in Blackwater?"
Dutch: "We missed you, that's what happened."
And I don't think we would play as John since that would be repetitive and tiresome and he apparently got shot during that timeframe anyway.
The fall triggered his Lumbago and he passed away in midair
The perfect explanation
Can’t resist not liking it
Uncle saved the day gave Dutch lumbago
Thats what i was saying! Its the LuMBaGo!
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John survived all of the bullets he got at the end of RDR1 except for the one that went through his lower back, which triggered his lumbago and killed him.
1:39 "It's now clear to me that Dutch Van Der Linde is by far Rockstar's greatest anta....." okay?
Blazingfire this happened to me too
Copyright strike
Me too
Same
2:52 is when the sound came back for me.
You didn't mention that Dutch is also one of the only antagonists that's ever been right.
During our last encounter with him he says to John, "When I'm gone, they'll just find another monster. They have to. They have to justify their wages." Dutch dies and not long after, his words prove true when the government finds another monster to fight in John.
Dutch was right all along.
I knew i should have put that in there somewhere! I just really wanted the video to end with him jumping off the cliff, because its so dramatic. Thank you for watching
Hey, great video either way. You hit the nail on the head.
the government was the true enemy.
Albert Schmalbert yep and he would've killed Micah anyway ...so revenge ...killed John ...not Ross ... Dutch second guessed himself....and ...the cycles don't end ...
Also, by extension, the government/Pinkertons would have gone after Micah too, after he’d brought in Dutch as initially planned.
Dutch died at the bottom of the mountain while Arthur died at the top, the poetry of it all
I didnt even think of that, nice catch
And the game starts in the snow and ends in the snow, just a little poetic thing I like
It’s over Dutch, I have the moral high ground.
Not only that, but when we first see John, he’s on top of mount Hagen, weak and near death from the wolf attack
And at the end, he’s a lone wolf (save for Sadie and Charles), killing a huge pack, climbing that same mountain he almost died on
@@TreeFiddyBandit it's not the same area of the map but i like that thought regardless.
Arthur died a hero, Dutch lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
he became a villain after hosea died
Harvey Dent quote nice
nice usermame
Dutch was always a villain. It just took time for everyone to catch on.
@@michaellorah9051 my opinion as well.
You're goddamn right
Back from the dead?¿
@@eyezayar I brought libation in heaven
Bruh I swear this trend kinda needs to die 😂😂😂
I have faith.
@Danky I love it but it literally one of these every video I watch 😂😂
I’m not an antagonist! You should’ve just had some GODDAMNED FAITTTHHH
WE JUST NEEDED A LITTLE MORE MONEY
eyezayar And TIIIIIIMMMME
@@MRAnonymous120
Dutch let's go to TAHITI now 😐
We need more M O A N E H!!
@@honkamania1174 *S U R E*
In my play through, I couldn’t bring myself to hate Dutch for most of the entire story. Even though I saw him declining after Hosea, I still trusted him a bit. It wasn’t until at Cornwall when he decided to leave me behind did I really feel hate to him, but the entire time before that I relied on him. Great story by rockstar!
I feel the same way. I truly wanted to believe he was good. I genuinely really liked him until he left Arthur to die at Cornwalls
I very much liked him through the majority of the game just I couldn’t bring myself to antagonize him because he is a good guy giving money to the poor and stealing from the rich just trying to fight for change and just couldn’t handle the death of his friends his family would you still be sane after all the people you cared about have died and all you have left are heartless villains
Same here, i was ready to beat the ever living shit out of him and micah
Nathan Hunt how is stealing from the rich a good thing. Sounds like a communist thing to say
King Foltest Of Temeria its the whole robin hood stick, he helps those who cant help themselves and punishes those who are “too ignorant” to help them. Also better dead than red
I feel like Micah was also a part of Dutch's downfall as well, and Hosea was there to keep him sane. Kind of like having a devil and an angel on your shoulders. Once he lost the angel (Hosea), the devil (Micah) was able to corrupt him even further.
But, these are my thoughts.
Somebody in the comments said the exact same thing! I completely agree
Man finally spells Hosea right i saw someone spell it Joseah
I felt that the loss of Hosea was the beginning of the end of Dutch. Then once Arthur dies is when he finally realizes that he’s lost the only two people that truly cared for him.
Sure Dutch cared for the gang, but Hosea and Arthur were the only family he’s ever known.
Yeah, things were already going downhill, but they really plunged after Hosea died.
And Dutch refused to accept Arthur as his new angel
Maybe Dutch went crazy from LUMBAGO
The scariest disease of them all...
It's very serious... Very deadly
Uncle's drinking again and the sky's blue
Idk, I think he watched everything he built end, and maybe he actually thought what he wanted was actually attainable. RDR2 every chapter is the continual "we need one more score so we can all go somewhere else to live in paradise."
After playing RDR2 I see Dutch's struggle, he has a pipe dream. And maybe the backwater job was supposed to be that. He keeps chasing ghosts like the Rhodes Treasure that is presumed just a myth.
Then he gets sloppy in Saint Dennis. That's when shit turns south. I played like ya, let's see this vision, but after the bank job there that turned south his vision and story just turned south. After returning in chapter 5 he just seemed desperate. And with people leaving his empire was crumbling.
I sort of feel like the next red dead might be another prequel. Simply because the first was in 1911 and the second right at the turn of the century. Maybe it goes back and shows the O'Driscole leader betray Dutch and maybe show what happened in Backwater? The series definitely started at the very end of the western days. So I could see that and enjoy it.
Late in game, I was playing a mission, forget which one, but in traveling when u can choose to talk it brought up a couple names that weren't part of the Ditches gang all game. Thinking they could be the players antagonist or I guess just players character in the next one?
Maybe the next one instead of rewarding you, to be honorable it rewards you, to be dishonorable? Idk, just a thought. If they went back to the time was the in the heart tof the wood west being an outlaw was more rewarding and the more desirable path?
A very slow and painful death
Rdr3: You play as Dutch and are in your early stages of building your gang/family (starting with Hosea and Arthur), later taking on john Abigail etc. Seeing his first plans his first missteps and all what let to him.bejng Dutch and the last mission is the blackwater mission or you play as a young Arthur Morgan
And you can see the development of a young Arthur with starting to trust Dutch even more and causes Arthur do bad things as Arthur and John get the propoganda which is stuck in both of there brains and you can still see it in the eubplog
No I really want to see what happens with Jack
@@theoutsiderjess1869 yea It would be sick
"Noo, i don't want to play with Arthur, i want to play with Dutch!"
@@Nightm4re987 That would be an interesting point of view
I genuinely feel sorry for Dutch. Most likely he went insane by the realization that the utopia imagined wasn't possible anymore. Actually, I don't think he ever was completely sane, or a realist at least. He clearly had a distorted view of the world, and coupled with his apparent talent at persuading people to follow him, that drove him to complete madness. He definitely had some goodness in him, he wasn't totally evil - most likely viewed himself as a "Robin Hood" kind of character -, but the weight of the world crushed him.
And finally, whatever good was left in him, died with Arthur.
And Hosea
Agree with you completely. He just couldnt handle accepting the fact that his ideal life in his ideal society was way out of reach. Impossible even. Thank you for watching, man!
@@eyezayar You're welcome, and thank you for the very deep character analysis you provided.
“Our time has passed John.” This phrase says so much. It means the world no longer has room for people like him or his way of thinking. He finally accepts it. The end of the Wild West era.
I felt like the tramride where he hit his head was also significant.
This is why I feel GTAV falters, their antagonists are plentiful but empty, threatening but cliche, there's no soul behind them.
Completely agree, GTA 5 antagonists are what i was mostly referencing in terms of a "bottomless evil". Menacing for sure, but completely lacking substance and complexity.
They don’t even feel like the antagonist
The game doesn’t even feel like their is
@@eyezayar Mhmm, although I suppose in part, Michael and Trevor potentially act as the antagonist. Or Franklin, depending on who's perspective you look at. Fantastic video by the by.
@@ParadoxicWasHere thanks man, glad you liked it!
there no soul in that city makes senses.
When Dutch leaves Arthur in the refinery, my heart just broke
He does it again on the cliff. He abandoned him truly years ago.
my guy... I was heated after that mission. I was ready to throw hands haha
It’s what made me finally realise that Dutch was the true villain all along
Mine too. And then Arthur gets back to Dutch and he's heartbroken as he says: "you left me"
@@arthurmorgan2026 All this wouldn't have happened if we had more money, Arthur.
I believe things started to fall apart when Hosea died. He was always the moral compass of Dutch, leading him in a good direction. When he died, Dutch's morals started dying too, and his moral compass became replaced by Micah...
your SN HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Youl get your rent when you fix this damned door ! Those are the words of Roger Clark, are they not?
The real reason Dutch be came bad was because of the mission where you rob the trolley station. Someone covered this on their channel as well but I cant remember who. But when Arthur Lenny and Dutch crash on the train, Dutch suffers from brain damage from the impact which he felt when hitting his head. While your point is also valid and contributes to his decline. It was mostly his brain damage that causes him to change.
Zentoriously just a head injury wouldn’t impact Dutch that way, after all, by the bank robbery in Saint Denis, there was still a layout for a good score but it went horribly, and Dutch didn’t completely loose it till after that.
Micah was behind it all though. Several plans went wrong due to him which all had a spiral effect.
He is the greatest antagonist because he can also be a good protagonist. I was thinkingwhen Rockstar decided to do another prequel, play as young Dutch and how he formed the gang up to the blackwater massacre..
Would be really interesting to play from the perspective of a young Dutch. I think Rockstar could definitely pull it off
I was thinking the exact same thing and we can see a younger John and Arthur when Dutch and Hosea recruited them
Would’ve been lovely to play as Dutch even during this event.
Had they done that before Arthur’s, they could’ve made it as though Arthur betrayed Dutch and Micah is this up and coming believer who is eager to make Dutch proud.
You’d see things through his eyes first and you’d have to walk away from Arthur when he gets ambushed or that John leaving and being captured as few of the reasons why Dutch was betrayed.
Arthur acting like Reverend (little do we know he has TB) and knowing that he would go behind his back and doing things and screwing up the plan.
Arthur suddenly kicking Strauss out without Dutch’s approval and cementing the fact that he is trying to take control away from Dutch.
John being bailed out by Arthur.
Then Molly dropping the “I sold you out to the Pinkertons” news on top of that.
The dreadful feeling of being untrusted by your family and always being questioned and having Hosea die.
Then at the end, we would be faced by Arthur’s last stand and hitting Dutch with “I gave you all I got” leaving us confused by the revelation that he was never the enemy.
Imagine all that and then we play Arthur’s side of the story and finding out just how much Dutch got played by Micah.
@@wanderingbufoon That... actually sounds brilliant but pretty sure it would not have the same impact right now sadly since we already know the twist
not a bad idea, but that would also mean you kind of hate the guy you are playing since he betrayed you in rdr2.
To summarize Dutch in one sentence: He’s a victim of his own ego.
I think he’s also a victim of the time he lived in, he was an old world outlaw trying to avoid letting the world change him but fighting that change. A fight that he couldn’t win
@@Godfather9814 you can’t fight change
You can’t fight gravity
You can’t fight nature
All my life all I did was fight”- Dutch van der line
Well said
@@nottypical8165can’t fight my own nature, that’s a paradox
Rockstar's greatest unanswered question.
WHERE IS GAVIN?
John Bendict Sedeño CANT YOU SEE?!?! *Crazed laughter* DUTCH IS GAVIN.... HES BEEN PULLING THE STRINGS ALL ALONG...
John Bendict Sedeño Gavin doesn't exist
Has anyone seen Gavin? xD
John Bendict Sedeño
Why is Gavin?
I am so worried
Gavin ?
Gaaaaviiiinn ?
I'm just loving that fact that as an 80s baby and 90s kid I was always told how video games will be my ruin yet here I am researching the philosophy, symbolism, and allegories that appear in this game.
Video games teach problem solving, critical thinking, and eye/hand coordination! GTA 3 perfected my map reading skills too! 😀
People will always fear what they don’t understand. Especially older folk stuck in the past.
I'm writing my Cultural Anthropology report on RDR2 and how it has affected my (and others) lives, and how real the characters are.
Covert bandit0 “Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don’t criticize what you can’t understand.”
It's not a game, at this point, it's a historical simulation.
HAVE SOME FAITH.
Learn how to spell your name, Dutch.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The road to heaven must be paved with bad intentions
What are you talking about communism is great now go back to the gulag
@@bobodenkirk9086 mmk
Shit this one hit deep
Thanks handsome Jack
Video footage from RDR2 but music from RDR1...
Very well done.
The Red Dead 1 and 2 soundtracks are too good!
@@eyezayar shut up
@@EthanBradburyVlogs no u
I just feel so bad for Dutch. An aspiring man who wants to do bad things for right, moral reasons. But with each and every loss, failure, and betrayal, he just descended further and further into madness. And unlike Arthur, Dutch never got a chance for redemption. He was just too far gone.
check out my edit of his death:
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Hosea’s Spirit Animal - A Tortoise
Micah’s Spirit Animal - A Rat
Dutch’s Spirit Animal - A Snake
Johns Spirit Animal - A Lion or Tiger
Arthur’s Spirit Animal - A Deer
Sadie’s Spirit Animal - A Cougar
Uncle’s Spirit Animal - A Sloth
Charles’s Spirit Animal - A Bison
Bill’s Spirit Animal - A Bull
Uncle's spirit? We cant forget our dearest, Lumbago man😂
Authur's spirit animal is a deer
@@dl5394 if you have a bad honor its a wolf
@@cherrypoptart2001 A Buzzard. Uncle's spirit animal is a Buzzard.
@Genghis Khan I thought that too, but I tried to stick to animals that you'd see in North America. Not a bad idea for John. Maybe his low honor level spirit animal could be a Tiger? Solitary, dangerous and remorseless.
I think one important thing to note is the head injury Dutch receives in the post office heist in chapter 4 of RDR2. Some people have suggested it caused his personality change but I don't think that's the case. The mission draws a lot of attention to Dutch's injury, meaning it must be important to some degree, and I think it's down to lobe damage. Damage to certain areas of the brain can reduce or remove inhibitions (search up Phineas Gage for an example) that cause the person to act far less rationally but with mostly the same personality. I believe that's what happened with Dutch; the potential for these acts was always there, and could have happened anyway, but the brain damage removed his mental inhibitions, while the death of Hosea, the one man that he saw as truly equal and always kept him in line, removed his external inhibitions.
Definitely a major possibility. It was obvious that Rockstar was trying to draw some attention to the injury while remaining subtle. Thanks for your comment and thank you also for watching!
Nah, he was playing verbal tricks from the very beginning, just pay attention how he always give vague answers to concrete questions. As John said, he just became more of what he is under stress.
@@FlymanMS My point was, the personality was always there, the head injury just amplified it by removing his inhibitions. His earlier attitude was never entirely genuine but it was at least in good intent and he was clearly loyal and willing to put himself on the line for others, as time went on and events transpired, he became worse, but it's only after the head injury he becomes so entirely reckless and selfish, like when Arthur meets him at the bayou before they raid Bronte's manor and Dutch is mumbling about "the game." I found that cutscene to be a jarring change as for me it was the first quest after his head injury, and he felt incredibly off.
Shit your right he does smack his head
I thought the same thing but Joseah and Arthur were doubting Dutch and noticing him not acting himself before the game started, I think it did push him over the edge combined with the death that same chapter
Dutches ego doesnt allow him to say sorry and killing Micah was his way of apologizing.
Its a mirror of the Beaver Hollow standoff where he has guns on Micah and his section, Arthur and John. Dutch was put in that EXACT same situation minus Arthur, and this time he pulled the trigger on the right guy like he should’ve done 8 years prior. Absolutely brilliant writing 💯
Leaving all that money was also atonement. There’s no way that Dutch didn’t know there was $20k in that chest.
I wouldnt even say he was even a villian. I think hes just a victim of his own failures while trying to fight for the corrupt government and businessmen. Dutch is one of the best characters in video games
Slim dick Michas way of living sorta rubbed off on him tbh
He WAS a villain. Tragic heroes don’t leave their loyal friends to die out of refusal to admit their mistakes.
@@infidelheretic923 Or shoot innocent people in the back of the head... But he was right about the government and the gradual loss of personal freedom they would cause! Look at our world today... THAT was what Dutch was fighting against!
Slim dick he did care actually if he didn’t then he wouldn’t have killed micah
@SuperVince93Kaioken I think there's a bit more to his character than that.
I think Dutch is a good man, till his plans start to go sour. The frustration pushed him off the cliff and he descends to insanity
I definitely think that deep down he meant well in the beginning, but I think the presence of his overbearing ego was always there. He wanted to be the saviour that everyone praised, but his judgment got more clouded as he found himself under more pressure. He might have been effected by the deaths he caused along the way, but not enough for him to snap out of his tunnel vision and focus on doing the right thing. Thanks for watching dude, hope you enjoyed!
and with Hosea gone, Dutch lost someone to keep his plans straight
“Off the cliff”
I see what you did there.
@@heartlandmodding2315 honestly, I had no intention whatsoever xD.
His desire to push on and not give up on his vision was his downfall. NO PUN INTENDED.
He’s such a good antagonist that I didn’t even realize he was an antagonist until I thought of it! It’s so hard to describe, but with the realism, amazingly good lines, character development, etc. etc. I didn’t see an antagonist, I saw a man slowly being degraded by his own demons. Hosea dying was the last straw. It felt like an actual family member was slowly going insane. It’s so hard to fucking describe the amount of immersion, caring, and emotion I’ve had for this game! Damn rockstar, you’ve made a masterpiece so good that I can only describe it as a movie-type video game.
Mine was at the very beginning, I knew people irl with high ego and another big moment is when Dutch didn't send for anyone to save Arthur when he was taken by Colm
What makes Dutch such a damn good antagonist is ... *drumroll* He manipulates the player through the entire storyline aswell! You'll see it here in the comments aswell. People fall inlove with his character because he's the fatherly, charming man everyone wants to believe in. Rockstar made it so we couldn't see past the facade aswell. That's what makes him Rockstar's greatest villain
It kinda reminds me of how it feels to lose a family member to Q-anon or some other internet conspiracy.
Just have some
GODDAMN FAITH
ARTHUR
Shit... i miss Arthur
Me too😢
WE miss Arthur ...... but yeah do to 😢
T a H i T i !
Yeah, I miss me too.
AUSTRALIA
Dutch has a plan always. He is just like my dad
I died at bank robbery because of him lol
LENNAAYYY
Aha! Found ya lenny!!!
Lennaaaay!
Ynnel?
BOTTAMS UP LENNAY!!
Big Smoke was pretty good, too.
_"Same things make us laugh, make us cry."_
Code Blue they are both great ...but the trains ....the goddamn trains
They the top 2 imo
@@ladyrest8455 all you had to do... was follow the damn plaaaaaan Arthur
@Just A Guy and rdr2 isn't?
We just need some M U N E H
Just need a little time... And a little FAITH
I've got three words:
Lum
Ba
Go
Have some goddamn faith? Shoowa. You can cram your faith right up your ringdangdoo. What is that? Soft and round like a pussycat. That's what.
Read this out in Arthur's voice
@@ontologicallysteve7765 when I first heard that my mum was in the room and it took me a second to figure out what it was and then I quickly ran out of the camp.
Yeah tbh I think you would have needed to play RDR1 to get the full impact of the story. Honestly when I found out this was a prequel, I was skeptical because we would already have a vague idea of who lives/dies and what ever else happens. What ended up happening was that through Dutch and Arthur, I became completely enthralled with the ambiguity of HOW it was all going to unfold. I often found myself questioning whether Dutch was an objectively morally good man at the start, "help folks as need helping and shooting folks as needs shootin" and questioned if Dutch actually did start out genuinely caring about those around him, or if he was always a sociopathic monster that sought to use those he kept near him. If I were to say, I'd say Dutch started out as a good 'enough' person to those that knew him, or else he wouldn't help people like Arthur, John, Tilly or Lenny. I never really considered that Dutch could TRULY be evil until Hosea and Lenny died in the Saint Denis bank job gone wrong. That was the moment Dutch's world, and moral questionability crumbled around him, because Hosea was one of the ones constantly arguing with Dutch over the right way to live or do jobs, basically the angel on his shoulder and without that influence, Dutch just proceeded to b-line straight down a dark and evil path.
For me, Dutch's descent into madness started when Hosea died, but the last shred of any goodness Dutch may have had left in him died with Arthur
Playing RDR1 definitely makes the events of RDR2 a lot more powerful. It just adds so much context to the game in general. And I actually agree with you, if i could change a bit of this analysis i would make more clear that i think Dutch wasnt completely horrible to begin with, and that he definitely had some good in him before he went off the rails. I do think that his overbearing ego was always present, but i agree that he didnt become truly evil until the death of Hosea. That was the final nail in the coffin. Thanks so much for your comment and for watching man, means a lot!
It was a great video, like you said Dutch really is one of the greatest antagonists ever. And I think a part of that is how everything he does is handled in such a way where nobody, at least not I, can definitively say that he was a truly good or evil man. Maybe I'm just an idiot. But your explanation of his ego and character in general makes a lot of sense and put a lot more perspective and insight into his character than I already had. Great work 👍👍
In rdr 1 John goes extensively trying explain to bonnie, Leigh johnson, Dr santa, Reyes and Ross that Dutch wasn't always bad did truly care for them and did believe it
I agree and disagree at the same time. I played 2 before 1 and let me tell you, it hurts a whole lot more. The only thing I knew about RDR1 was John's death. By not playing RDR1 you feel like maybe just maybe Dutch will get you all out of the mess and everything will work out. By not knowing how things were gonna end, you always have a sense of hope and when Arthur gets sick it is even more devastating. Then as events start to spiral out of control and the gang truly hits a "free fall" situation, it just helps you connect with Arthur. The way your hope vanishes alongside his for the gang. You start to become more distrusting of Dutch and you know there will eventually be an end to your relationship with him, but when the stand off happens you believe Bill and Javier will side with you. Keeping myself away from anything to do with the first game was just coincidental, but it was the best thing I could have had happen.
@@A_29886 De Santa*
That speech he gives before he jumps off the cliff to die in RDR1 is almost identical to the one he gives the lawmen before he jumps off the cliff into the river in RDR2. I never knew that until today.
My love for Dutch will need to be pried from my cold dead hands. I loved this, but I have never agreed with the analysis that Dutch was always a cold, evil man. He took a band of disenfranchised people in, taught them how to read, saved Sadie, genuinely was disgusted by the mistreatment of Native Americans in the earlier chapters, (of course he manipulated their plight later on) told Arthur to "never leave love aside," showed genuine concern for Arthur after his fight with Trewlany, and was even speechless - for the first time in his life - when Arthur was dying. I truly think Mica was the real snake in the grass, playing on Dutch's insecurities and mounting fears of a modernizing world. A lot of people seem to forget he was also suffering from severe head trauma after that train crash, and we saw his behavior intensify after this. Does this excuse his behavior? No, but it certainly is a factor.
When John asked Dutch why he was with Mica at the end, he replied, "Same as you, I guess." To me, that implies that Dutch was also there to kill Mica. I think Dutch was a deeply flawed man, a grey character whose worse qualities were exacerbated by a manipulative person. Grey characters always make the best antagonists. He was a phenomenal character
PriorP92 That is sooo true ! I was always thinking the same ! I deeply love Dutch as a character and he’s my favorite right after Arthur Morgan. I never really saw him as a villain, but I felt that he was crushed, confused and overwhelmed. When he saw Micah so confident and easy going, maybe he was like “hey... he’s the men I need.” Also, because Dutch refuses to show his weakness, he just follows Micah blindly without thinking cause he’s sure that anyway, his plans are good since his always fail. Anyway, I just feel like Dutch is a complete victim of Micah. Micah took great advantage on his situation to control him and tear the gang apart.
PriorP92 also Dutch .... saved us ...they doubt ...he had it ..he accepts himself and everything ....in due time
Best comment. Very much sums up my love for, and thoughts on Dutch!
It's spelt micah
I couldn’t say this better although I might add the fact that Hosea died and a lot of people were leaving was probably another factor to his declining mental state
What makes a game, movie, serie or anything that tells a story good?
Yes, you're correct. Characters and their development
This is the reason why the games of red dead are the macnifics games they are...... their characters and their reacts to the world in where they are
Its definitely always seemed like the most important element of a game or movie to me. Sure, the setting can be interesting, the plot can be gripping, but the characters need to have a certain level of depth that keeps the audience interested. Thanks for watching my dude.
When the audio cut I thought my phone was broken
Yeah, saw someone say that. I thought my speakers had glitches out. Cause my phone sometimes does that. When I went back a few seconds I was confused
@@arthurmorgan2026 thank you for gracing me with your presence mr Morgan
@@gamingman2720 Don't mind me Boah.
Okay I'll catch you later then
I have always said this, a great villan is a person who is bad but you feel for. Dutch wasn't always bad I believe, he did go insane though. He reminds me a lot of davy jones, another great villan who you feel sorry for
I agree man. Thanks for watchin!
Yeah i disagree. I hated dutch from the first scene. Maybe its because I’ve known alot of Dutch’s in my time and seen the pain they cause in the name of maintaining their own fantasy image, but by chapter 2 i wasn’t giving that bastard a cent of my money beyond keeping people fed and armed
MrCurbinator Ok, well, for normal people...
@@carl_consumer.of.reality I mean, there is always a level of concern I gave to them that wasn't related to sympathy. At the end of the day, all of them are part of a gang. Pretty much all of them have done something immoral, with exception of Jack.
@@ab14967 Not really, Jack pretty goes the same path John did.
So long story short...
He has a plan
*but we just need money*
Don’t forget noise
More moneh never hurts
@Dutch van der linde Hi my twin brother
Tahiti!
I have some money in my pocket. Around €20
Dutch isn’t an antagonist though. He shot Micah on top of Mount Hagen because he realized John was right and he was there to get revenge for Arthur. John asked Dutch why he was there, and Dutch said “same reason you are I suppose” and then he shot Micah. Not only did Dutch let John go, he also left the money to John as a way to apologize and let him establish his family.
In RDR1 Dutch is also not an antagonist. Dutch never comes hunting after John. It was John who came to kill Dutch. And sure the two shot at each, but in the end, Dutch threw down his weapon. He didn’t have a final shoot out with John, he gave up and killed himself. But not before warning John that the government was going to turn on him next-and Dutch was right in the end. Dutch was right all along.
Wow!
J Smith Exactly my thoughts on Dutch! He was never truly evil, or even psychotic imo, he was just driven mad by grief and his failure of achieving his delusion of grandeur. Micah took huge part in that by driving Dutch to do bad things and also in ratting out the gang and getting many killed, specifically Hosea. I do believe it was Micah who ratted about the St Denis bank even though Milton said they picked him up after Guarma. Anyway, with Hosea gone and Arthur growing weak, Micah finally pushed Dutch to his breaking point and he betrayed John and Arthur. It only took Arthur calling out Micah at the end to make Dutch realize he was wrong in trusting Micah. Arthur’s death finally pushed him over the edge and he went somewhat rogue over the next few years. There was just one thing left he had to do, and that was to take revenge on the man who caused him to lose his family and his hold on his own beliefs. After Micah was finished, nothing really mattered to Dutch anymore and he went rogue, knowing he has already been defeated, finally admitting to himself that it was over and he failed. He even let John have the money and have his family, and when John came for Dutch later, he warned John that the Pinkertons would kill him next, and he was right. In the end, I feel that Dutch’s story is even another example of redemption. Anyway, thank you for reading my TEDTalk on Dutch.
War Dip I wouldn’t say he’s even the MAIN antagonist, there’s others like the Pinkertons, O’Driscolls, Cornwall, and most of all Micah.
War Dip When did I say he’s a good guy? I said he’s not completely evil. These characters are all bad people, including Arthur and John.
War Dip First of all, I didn’t say that, the original commenter did. But what is your point? Dutch is a bad person and he knows it obviously, like I said they’re all outlaws with no intentions of being good people.
"Ooooh and I will surely kill the rest of 'em, if you don't start talkin'."
The best villain, and one of the best characters, in a videogame ever. Dutch could have carried his own tv show. In fact I think he should!
Definitely up there among my favourites! Thanks a lot for watching bro
Lol that was such a badass mission/cutscene. One of my favourite moments in gaming
No netflix
Jeff mates what
The dislike is micah
God damn it Micah
Cowpoke
Fuck tha rat
This comment legit made me laugh oh my god
Fuck you
Aren't we not gonna talk about the soundless 1:42?
Edit: Thanks for the likes, never got this much on TH-cam.
I thought my headset broke
@@butterbean._.1519 same
TH-cam muted for copyright
@@butterbean._.1519 Same lmao. I was like "Uhh..."
They took the sound beacouse of the music
RDR 3 as Dutch. The early part of the gang
Could work!
@Genghis Khan But they said that Hosea and Dutch started the gang so there could be no pre-gang.
Rob Spencer I don’t know if my heart could take seeing a young Arthur and John knowing their fate
I would not want that
Rob Spencer I would nut every five minutes
To be honest, I don't blame Dutch for pretty much anything in RDR2. He's like Walter Peck from Ghostbusters, where he was right. Besides, if your family was being killed one by one because of your 'plans', you'd go crazy.
Hehe bway
Rdr2 is like the Mona Lisa of gaming, a truly unbeatable Masterpiece
Oh lord no not at all maybe rdr1 tho
agreed
@Rusted Denial red dead redemption 1 is good but the game standards going higher every year made it age
Dutch is a unique character that takes people who feel downtrodden and left out of society and unites them to fight and feel they are doing is a moral good...it’s actually honorable in its own way
Yeah, i definitely see that theres honour in what Dutch tries to do, but he goes about it the wrong way in the end.
eyezayar STOP DOUBTING ME AND HAVE SOME GODDAMNED FAITTTHHH
Initially good, but he degenerated into greed and personal ambition
You could interpret it as he is helping the downtrodden or that he is taking advantage of the downtrodden. To me he seems like the leader of a cult who uses the rejects of society to further his goals of accumulation of power, wealth and revenge. He takes in John and Arthur as kids probably because he understands that if he can influence them at a young age he will be able to control them forever. However as soon as he starts to see John and Arthur as liabilities rather than assets he would rather they were dead. He leaves John to die 3 times and Arthur to die twice.
grumpychunk1 monster or martyr ...it's a reflection he is right ...and then all that is left
This should’ve been game of the year Dutch lost his mind towards the end I truly believed Dutch loved the gang and cared about everyone expect he let his guard down and had the wrong people around him when Hosea died his impulse ran wild Hosea wasn’t alive to keep him in check he had Arthur but he instead had Micah in his ear telling him to do the wrong thing Dutch let his ego get the best of of him that’s what sad in the end I truly felt Dutch wanted good for the gang but he some what kinda redeemed himself when killed Micah but not fully he still went down that wrong path.
Well said, I think his intentions were good originally but he couldnt handle the pressures of succeeding every time. Thanks for watching :)
Completely agree. Dutchs sanity was slipping very slowly and it was only hosea who held it from plummeting. When hosea died so did dutchs sanity. You can almost see it the way he reacts to hosea dying. Hes in shock. I think rockstar made that to look like that was the last sane part of dutch leaving his body. Micah was only a catalyst within the process.
Vishan Silva the goddamned TROLLY!
I was on Dutch's side till he shot that poor girl in the bank in RDR1... 😟
"We cant fight nature, we cant fight change... we cant fight gravity, we cant fight nothing...
My whole life all i ever did was fight... I cant give up neither, I cant fight my own nature... Thats a paradox...
When im gone they will find another monster, they have to... to justify their wages.
Our time is passed"
-Dutch Vanderline
Dutch is my favourite character in the history of rockstar games who else agrees
Dude I think he’s my favorite character of any video game. I can’t think of anyone deeper and well developed
It's difficult to pick out just one. I love John Marston, Arthur, Hosea, Dutch, SADIE ADLER! There are loads of really good characters in there
He's mine too.
IMO, I think Dutch becomes his true self when shit goes wrong.
His ego definitely shines when things dont go to plan
Brandon E In FACT
Dutch is such a good antagonist i refused to believe he was one until the story ended
I thought dutch was rockstars best planner
I...have...a plan!!
Personally I’d say in 2 he was never really the antagonist, like he was good for most of the game got played by the actual antagonist and only bad thing he did was choose Micah but like I said he got played
In rdr1 he was one of the antagonists no doubt
I really felt sorry for Dutch this whole time. Once you fuck up that much, admitting that your wrong must have been incredibly hard for him knowing the entire pressure of the gang he had on him. Dutch was my third favorite character next to Arthur and John because he really had good inside of him, it was shown clearly through the first parts of the game that he was trying to help the gang. Sadly, he was just a slave to his ego, and he couldn’t control himself. When Arthur dies and Dutch says “I...,” that was the moment he knew he messed up everything. He had so much potential to be a great man.
Did anyone’s audio drop out
Yeah at 1:41
Yeah
Copyright strike
Comes back around 2:53
The ground is Tahiti
Dutch: 13:38
Lmao
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Underrated rdr comment in the history of rdr comments
I saw this on another video ages ago
This cracked me up lmao
In my opinion Dutch is a perfect representation for Narcissistic Personality Disorder(NPD). Most people I met who struggle with NPD have a raging God complex, thinking they're different or the "special one". They are masters of manipulating their image around others, telling you what you want to hear. Like how Dutch preached his code and ideals of living free and away from civilized society's laws. He found disenfranchised people, and overtime brainwashed them into doing his bidding. He also seems to be threatened when he finds out Arthur has been talking to John about possibly leaving.
All in all, Dutch is actually quite similar to Micah. The only difference between them is that Micah doesn't hide the fact he has NPD, he is openly aggressive, and does not care how his actions effect others. He doesn't care for Dutch either, rather how Dutch can help him achieve what he wants, or as he calls it "winning". If you think about it they're perfect for each other. Poor Arthur deserved so much better. Great video.
The way I see it, Dutch was a genuine character with genuine morals. Every time something would go down (Pinkerton's or a rival gang), Dutch would be the first to speak up, give orders that kept the gang alive during gun fights and made sure everyone was accounted for when the smoke cleared. Even in one of the final showdowns at Beaver Hollow, Dutch yells for everybody to move the second the guns go off. Dutch had a plan (pun intended), but it was something that couldn't have been done. As Dutch spoke of at the ending if RDR1, their time was over. Civilization, government and law swept across the land and they were the last of the true free beings. Dutch was desperate to make his dream a reality and cling to that way of life. The gang, ALL of the gang, were important to him, not just because they were useful, but because they were his family. Something happened in Blackwater...and I believe that failed job and realization that their way of life cannot exist in a world so polluted by government, business and people...is the reason things went downhill. With each progressive failure and death, Dutch became more and more desperate to keep the gang afloat and loyal...just needing that ONE big paycheck to achieve freedom and a new life for himself and those he cared for. Dutch was a magician out of tricks, an escape artist without a lockpick, a man who had succumb to the realization that he was human, made mistakes and people had and will continue to die if he would keep chasing this dream. The irony of Eagle Flies and Rains Fall, natives who pursued a life not unlike Dutch, but would strive for peace and life over war and death in a battle they could not win. Rains Fall lost his son in the same way that Dutch lost Arthur...yet Dutch fought on. I honestly believe Dutch was a good man who simply invested and ultimately lost too much to give up. It was his dream or death...and he died fighting for what he believed in. THAT is what makes him such a great antagonist.
@Route 69 Except for the murders of Heidi McCourt and the girl at the bank... Politically, I agree with Dutch's philosophy! He believed in what America was MEANT to be, just like I do!
So he was a hero obssessed with the idea of being invincible so he became an egostical bloody madman who didn't care about his family he built and surrogate sons.i don't know if i buy that but i guess agent Milton was right he is just a false messiah and lead his family to destruction.his depth of character that coupled with the setting and plot makes him rockstars greatest antagonists and make rdr2 a masterpiece!!.
Dutch was the blind leading the blind with an occasional broken compass he let others decide for him
One thing that stuck with me was the trolley crash where Dutch sustained a head injury. He was feeling the pressure already but his state of mind really went downhill after that. It was such a subtle thing IMO but I think his injury was actually more severe than first thought.
I agree. People underestimate how serious head injuries/concussion are in whatever shape and form e.g. rugby, boxing and how it can lead to a long term damage.
Hopefully, we get a chance to play as Dutch in a future game to see his exploits as young man.
I don’t know if Dutch truly thought he was doing the right thing, or just wanted to live as an outlaw. But between shooting Micah and killing himself so John doesn’t have to, I think he looks back on all his crimes with regret. He is a changed man
He just became more who he really was
He shoots Micah and yeah he accepts that he did wrong but when he comes to terms with his mistakes he decides to embrace the monster he really is and just starts destroying and killing everything in his path for sport I guess.
shot me pretty good
He always kept saying "I" then quickly changing it to "we" whenever something benefited the gang that was the first sign that kinda hinted that he was only in for himself in the long run
I believe that Dutch was a good man, who was affected by tremendous loss. After the death of Hosea, Dutch overcame a huge transformation. I seriously believe that Dutch didn’t go back with Micah after Chapter 6, because we know that Micah started running his own game. I think on the mountain Dutch redeemed himself not just shooting Micah but leaving John the money. I think he forgave Arthur and felt bad about everything that happened, I also believe that he killed himself so that John didn’t have to kill the man who was practically his father.
I feel like Micah's plan was to rid Hosea to become Dutches right hand, since it seems Dutch and Hosea went over each other's plans to ensure they would most likely work. Without Hosea the plans became rushed and unpolished which ,Micah probably wanted to get everyone killed and keep enough money for himself. From the start you could tell he wanted to kill Arthur on account of his ugly moustache.
Jackson Wells I think he knew John fucked up and it showed that society was more important than loyalty....I think the only thing Dutch did wrong was think he was right ...or that it mattered everyone else takes the mark ...but Arthur...and Dutch
I have no idea who's gonna see this but I would just like to say. Dutch Van Der Linde is my favourite character from anything ever. I think his character growth from rdr2 to rdr1 is beautiful. And not many people might say this because he's the "bad guy" but I genuinely feel bad for Mr. Van Der Linde. He was a good man. Him and his gang, his family. But he slowly lost it. People died, people changed him. He turned from almost a father into a genuinly bad person. And his final conversation with John at the end of rdr1 stuck with me. Because he was.... Right in my eyes. When he's gone, they'll just find another monster. Idk. Dutch is just so interesting to me. I love him. Good guy, bad guy, however you see him. He had a plan, he loved his people. But it just crumbled. I feel for him. I mourn for him and his gang. I could be a "bad" person for seeing dutch like this but..... Like I said, I feel for him.
I feel the same way
Good man? He was far from good, but I do love his manipulation for making people think he is.
I never saw dutch as an antagonist, i dont know how to describe him, i just saw how he decayed and got more crazy over time which broke my heart since I spent so much time building a bond with him in the first chapters. I felt betrayed, as if a father had abandoned his son, i guess thats how Arthur felt.
Dutch and the gang made a lot of enemies through the story. But the only one that was able to break them. Was himself.
Did it cut out for anyone else?
Copyright. Don't worry he wasn't saying nothing there just playing music from the game
I kept the good side of Dutch but soon after my passing there was no balance between good and evil between me and Micah who influenced dutch
We miss you Hosea 😢
Hosea
This role play shit needs to stop
@@AAA-uc8mj ye
This is god damn true... Hosea died, gang died
1:37 its now clear to me that Dutch Van Der Linde is by far rockstar's greatest anta-
😂
lol from 1:40 or something till3 the audio just cuts out
Dutch is one of my favourites idk why i just like him, despite all the shit hes done
Communists United maybe he wasn't any more wrong ... maybe they needed him ..maybe they shouldve listened....Dutch may be a bit narcissistic but if Micah is a rat...so is John ...and if everything fell apart .. it's because building isn't the point ... everyone else took the mark except Arthur ...John was the new enemy Dutch saved the rest ...he was not in control...but did that inspire no they are just sell outs Dutch is the one who never defined himself...so they need a god they look to someone else someone who is capable of being they're devil ...sadie ...sees it ...they both changed ... because they were not finished
Same although I genuinely rethink Dutch was a good person it was just that he was lead astray from what he was
Would love to see the origins of Mr. Van der Linde. My favorite character after Arthur
Hopefully we see a game or DLC focused on his origin. I think Rockstar could pull it off. Thanks for watching!
Dutch betraying Arthur broke my heart man..and pissed me off ! I did so much for that sob !
I believe dutch to be an anti-hero, Not good But sure as hell not bad.
Dutch’s decisions worsened over the game, but I truly believed he thought every decision he made was for the good of his ‘family’. He truly saw each member of the gang as his family.
It goes silent at 1:42 on my end
same
That's the video for you
Dutch's character arc is so amazing, it's easy to forget the first Red Dead was written almost a decade ago. It feels so natural.
I agree, i think RDR2 and RDR1 flow together extremely well. Thank you for watching!
Theory: Uncle Van Der Linde
“I had GOD. DAMN. LLLLUUUUUUUMMMMBAAAAAAGOOOOO”
“My whole life all I ever did was fight”-Dutch
Mangoes
Uncle is actually black
LOmbaYgOe
How ??
😂
I tHiNk Im MeXiCaN
HEY ONLY J.K ROWLING CAN JUSTIFY THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
What's interesting is that in the low honor "go for the money ending", despite Dutch being correct in suspecting that Arthur would betray him and catching Arthur at his lowest moment, his dying words finally breaks through to Dutch causing him to see Micah for what he was and abandon him. Dutch's had been going through a negative character arc throughout the story where he'd believe in a lie and continue to commit to that lie more and more until he finally accepts the truth despite the fact that logically he shouldn't be believing in Arthur when he went for the money.
1:41 I enjoyed the peaceful silence. Thank you.
Arthur mentions that prior to the events of RDR2 there was only one member killed in the camp and he deserved it. Sounds like an early member of the Van Der Lind gang may have grown a conscious and tried to redeem himself. Could be a premise for a prequel about the beginnings of the gang, starting with the death of Dutchs brother by the O'driscoll's. That is, if they wanted to keep it about the same core characters. Arthur could even be the one to kill you at the end.
I want to know what Mac and Davey were like, we need another Red Dead
Then you get to play as Arthur again like what happened with John.
Itd be pretty funny to play a Good Micah Bell. Someone nobody likes with a heart of gold.
He was a bad guy but When Dutch fell of he cliff and died it made me sad that such a deep deep character just dies
We kind hate Dutch Van der linde on Read dead ,1 but i realy was like Dutch on the begining of RDR 2 but them what confusing he was, them after betraid Jhon and let Arthur died i start hate and regret and stay with Micah that was Rat/traitor Duth was once time good but then became a evil, Hossea who keep the morals and beliefs, but them after died , what a end when Dutch died ,everything makes sense and as the 2 games are well connected ,best script of Rockstar without doubts, I hope they learn for the next Gta get good history like Read 1 and 2 was, for me Tommy Vercety best protagonist of the series Gta they can make better
I think i could have explained Dutch's more positive approach to things in the beginning a little better in this video as he DOES in fact undergo a transformation in terms of just how much he lets his ego take over. And I agree, both Red Dead games have excellent scripts. Thanks for stopping by the video!
I didn't hate him in the first one. Even then, he's the only antagonist that's ever been right. "When I'm gone, they'll just find another monster. They have to justify their wages. "
And what happens not long after Dutch dies? They find another monster to fight-- John.
@@albertschmalbert7473 I remember that phrase I always hated agent Ross and the government for killing you and John in the end but Dutch i kind like and hate same time but sure best antagonist ever
RDR3 should be either
:play as Arthur in the early times when Arthur just got introduced to the gang
:play as Arthur/John/Dutch in the black water heist or even the setups for it.
:play as Jack Marston (John’s son) and carry on with the building of civilisation
:play as a different gang in a different part of America and build up the storyline from that
Or
:play as the law against the gangs for a twist
I don’t even know it 12:30am and I’m commenting on something I won’t even be recognised for
For the 3rd and 4th one in there 3rd one it wouldn't really be a wild West for game anymore and for number 4 I like the idea but let's be honest Rockstar would never do that
In pretty sure the age of westward expansion/cowboy age ended around the time of Jack