Backhand Tips No One Tells You with Seth Pech
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2024
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If you have any questions regarding anything in the video I would happily try and explain more about it in the comments.
Topics key points!
MID DISTANCE BACKHAND LOOP
-keep backswing length shorter to better adjust for the different heights and speeds of the balls
-Racket angle more open so stroke can be more back to forwards instead of down to up which makes timing these shots more difficult.
KEEP SAME STRUCTURE FOR BACKHAND BLOCK AND COUNTERLOOP
-try not to block with hand way out in front so that when opponent gives you a chance you can counter-loop with backhand turning a defense point into an offense point
SHORT FORWARD STROKE FOR KICK AND TOPSPIN SERVES
-timing a kick serve is difficult and you dont need to take a big backswing because there is already plenty of topspin on the ball. Simply go forwards through the ball to increase % of balls on the table.
BODY FORWARDS ON UNDERSPIN STROKES
-keeping the body angle forwards when looping ALL backhands is a good idea, it will keep your racket angle consistant and help make clean contact with all the balls, dont be afraid to take the ball off the bounce.
LEARN TO HAVE AN OPEN ANGLE FOR BACKHAND
-the problem with a closed angle is that it forces you to have to swing very fast in order to get the ball to go up, which decreases consistency
-also very hard to flip or loop heavy underspin balls
-really helps to open angle when looping topspin because you can focus on going forwards and through the ball instead of trying to lift the ball which causes many timing problems.
-its also much easier to go from an open angle to a closed angle in the backhand stroke when you want to counterloop a spiny topsin ball.
-also makes it easier to transition between blocking and looping.
-IMPORTANT to keep spinning the ball even when your angle is more open.
-USE A HARDBAT or cheap racket to learn to play with an open angle pretend you are spinning the ball while keeping the angle more open.
have patients it takes a lot of practice!!!
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0:00 Introduction
0:07 PechPong TABLE TENNIS
0:10 Paddle Palace
1:35 MID DISTANCE BACKHAND LOOP
3:06 SAME ARM STRUCTURE FOR BLOCK AND LOOP
4:09 SHORT STROKE FOR HEAVY TOP AND KICK SERVE
5:22 KEEPING BODY FORWARDS WHEN UNDERSPIN LOOPING
6:20 ABILITY TO OPEN ANGLE FOR BACKHAND - กีฬา
I wish I would have found you earlier but never late than never. Thank you for all the hard work that you do.
Thank you :) I’m here I’ll keep putting up new stuff!
I think it's "better late than never" but yeah the point is clear
amazing details as always!
Need to bookmark this and watch about a dozen times.
great video! looking forward to the next one!
Thanks! looking forward to putting it out there soon!
I have watched this video many times and very helpful, everytime I imporve. Wish you make updated version for this one with part 2.
This video and the previous one are GOLD! Thanks!
SVasil4ak Thank you thank you! I’ll keep making them and sharing what I know :)
amazing content, keep it up, thanks!
Nguyen Anh Quynh thank you very much :) will do 👍
I am also starting to learn about the backhand technique, feel grateful about your video and how useful it is, various cases were covered. Thanks!
Really like your video. Thanls for sharing!
Thank you! im glad you liked it, more to come :)
Thank you for sharing these helpful tips! I found them really useful.
Thank you Im glad you find them useful!
best video to learn backhand topspin....great bro...pls put some videos on serve receives
Keep up the good work. Excellent experienced comments useful for all players.
Thank you! Glad you liked it more to come soon
Amazing channel, its great to have access to a national level player that is willing to share his secrets and experiences. Keep up the good work Seth!
Thank you, Im glad to be able to share my knowledge with everyone! Im still learning and as soon as I learn more I will make sure to pass it along to everyone on the channel :)
Great content. Thanks!
I love playing top spin backhands...my favourite shot so this video will be watched over and over....
Your Videos have such a high quality, learned realy alot! Happy to be a Subscriber ! Thanks
Thank you! Glad you like them, I try my best echa video I make is better quality the info in the older videos is spot on haha I’m new to this TH-cam Thing haha
Turbo great content! Thanks a lot.
Thank you 🙏 I’ll keep them coming for you!
This is a comprehensive analysis. Love it.
Thanks, glad you liked it 👍
Amazing so much loving this learnings
Yes learning about this game is the best !!
Thank you for these great tips Seth. I'm looking forward to use these in my next training session. Actually nice to see Chance Friend training with you, I saw a lot of his games whilst his time in Kerpen Illingen in Germany.
Cm101010 thanks yes good luck training! Chance is great, really nice and amazing to train with!
Super good video, I love the demonstrations and videos, you explain them so well! Whenever I was at Samson Dubinas table tennis academy, some of these tips I heard. Super good tips and things to focus on when developing and practicing consistency, I’m definitely going to be focusing on these when training! Super awesome content, can’t wait to see more! This stuff is absolutely great!
Heath Clugston thank you very much! I’m glad you are getting something from these! Yes practicing them takes time, important to be specific when practicing. I’ll keep them coming, thanks for the input :)
Great tips for bh! Will look to incorporate these techniques to my game; especially keeping my racket angle in the open position while in the ready.
Great! Of all the tips that one is one of the best I can recommend it’s helped me A LOT in all parts of my game! Glad you enjoyed the video
This is pure Gold. Wish all success in life 🌟
Thank you! im glad you think its a great video and informative!
A very good and useful video, although I knew most of the information, but here it is very well systematized and submitted without unnecessary words! Thanks!
Thank you for the compliment and thanks for watching! Maybe I can surprise you with more info on the next video! 😁
Thanks. Very good
Love every lesson you give us and I found that keeping the bat open when doing backhand flip and slowly adapt and adjust the bat angle is very wise Thanks and I will keep watching your lesson and keep learning from you 👍👍👍
Thanks! I’m glad you found success with your bh flip! Keep it up 👍
Very nice!
Good instructions! Keep doing this.
Shelton Ransinghe you got it! 👍
Same here keep doing this
Hey Seth! I really do like your videos 😍 Just to let you know ... Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words and the support it motivates me to keep going that’s for sure 😁
Another great video. The portion about keeping your blocks closer to your body to be able to easily transition from defence to offense was very thought provoking. Hope you revisit this in the future with more demonstrations on how to implement in games to retake the offense. Such an important tactic, hope it does not get buried in the video with players not recognizing how game changing this could be. Wonderful to see you giving so much back to the game.
Hi yes I agree that is a very important aspect that you mentioned. That would also make for an interesting video topic to cover.
Keep sharing Master Seth
Thank you haha, I will do 👍
Good job. I’ll try it out.
Great yes give it a go!
Another great tutorial video, Seth. But dont forget the video with your footwork. Good job.
Roberto Ishikaea your right, I will make one on that! 👍
Thank you!!!
Neat trick for kick and shovel serve receives! First time I ever faced those I'd try to chop, then I'd try attacking full swing such was great when they landed but didn't happen as often as I'd like it to, now I've switched to what's suggested in the video and it catches people off guard when their serve is just simply returned!
Anantha Hegde nice!! Yes it really works and is quick and efficient!
The title is correct, those are tips that no one tells, unless you are trying to fine tune your stroke or asking a coach. Thank you and Greetings from Brazil
Thanks yeah, glad you found it useful I’ll keep them coming :)
Thanks. Super content! I'll try to open angle for my BH. I think, my transition FH - BH will be much easier too
Good thinking! Having the ability to adjust your angle is very important!
Good video, thank you! 👍
Davidsson TT thanks! Wish I could have played you when I Was in Sweden, would have been a fun match!
@@PechPongTT We have played. In Rekordspelen and you played in Åsa if I remember it right. Around 5-6 years ago? :)
Davidsson TT Oh thats cool!! It was all a blur for me everyone was new haha.
Superb video! SO many elements are useful for me... for instance your explanation of the No.2 position and why balls are different at that distance/timing... wow... I needed this clarity (as I currently struggle with that exact situation, and for some reason I tend to spend a large % of the rally there... likely due to inefficient footwork, rather than by choice). Thank you :)
I go back to the second distance after I push long or loop because that’s the best area to take full swings as well as turn the corner with the forehand on weak blocks it a difficult area for the backhand that’s for sure
All the common mistakes done by Semi Professional players like me are clearly explained. I am able to fix my errors slowly after watching your videos. Whatever we ve in mind you're bringing out n correcting. Thank a lot bro 🙏🏓🌟
Thank you! yes these are the tips that have helped me to level up over the last 5 or 6 years and I wish someone told me sooner, so here I am :)
Hey Seth! This was a super useful video. Especially the ‘on the rise’ and ‘on the fall’ part. This is the most I struggle with. Can you also please make a video specifically on the backhand loop and if you take the ball on the rise/fall and where your 3rd ball return position is? Thank you!
Thats a good idea to include in a backhand tutorial video. thanks for the idea
Thanks a lot! Very usefull and intresting content! It will be great to discuss about tactic schemes - f.ex.step 1.. ,2.. ,3... Good luck!
Account KMG thank you, yes that would be a good idea to talk about the tactic schemes for the different distances
thanks for sharing
Of course, I will keep making more, stay tuned!
Bro please do the serve return video ASAP. Appreciate you so much brother 🙏
Thanks for the video Seth. I thought I would leave a suggestion for a future video for something that I have been thinking about on my game lately and that is reading the game better. I mean reading the position of the oponnent and their stroke in order to position myself optimally on the table and be ready for likely strokes to come. I would be very interested to see if you had any tips to improve that part of the game. Awesome work man, keep it up!
Hi, wow what a great Idea Im glad you mentioned that I will write that down in my book of video Ideas :) i think it really depends on how you play, what way do you like the point to develop for example do you like to play close or far, slow or fast, spiny or dead, then you need to figure out all your shots and tailor them to the way you want the point to develop, the opponent has to play the ball you give them and sometimes they cant play the ball they might want to play. hope that gets you thinking :)
Thanks 😊
good video !
Thanks!
Very nice 👌
Thank you!
I am watching your videos one at a time, everyday, your videos are really unorthodox with very good informations for us to follow ,keep it coming
Thank you!! Glad you are getting something from them 😁
Terimakasih videonya
thanx ive really got a good flick now
Very good! Glad to hear 👍👍
Taking backspin off the bounce deep is an issue I have. I do the fall back thing as you showed. I'm working on committing to the swing best I can but still often into the net or a weaker shot.
wilkinru yes I know the feeling very well!! work on opening up the angle more feel like the racket face is pointed towards the ceiling and almost “feel like your spinning from below the equator of the ball” the idea is to let the angle of your racket do some lifting for you so you are working smarter not harder.
Love your videos! So detailed explanatios. I'm not sure I really get the 'open your angel' part. Can you elaborate on that a little more? 'Cus open up could mean that the ball could get too high = an easy smash for the opponent?
Hi yeah open your angle means maybe 5-7 degrees more open, this will help you get the ball over the net easier as well as increase the surface area exposed to the ball, it will also let you swing a little more linear instead of up and down which can be difficult when you are looping a topspin ball as it’s moving fast and jumping upwards very much from the topspin. Hope that explains
Awesome videos! Could you please do a series about how to train with a robot? Maybe some drills that you do or what to focus on yo improve using just a robot at home. Thanks!
Hey great idea thanks for sharing! I’ll put that down to make a video about! Glad you enjoyed this one
Hey! I'm wondering if you could maybe make a video on all the exercises that you do at the gym. It's something I have decided to start doing and it would be a great help for everyone I'm sure. Thank you!
I like that idea, I’ve done a wide variety of stuff at the gym, I also do a couple cross sports training to gain more body awareness and coordination
If you will go to ITTF web site on TH-cam and then go to webinar area, watch Strength and Development. Long time coach of Samsonov is only PhD in world on table tennis mechanics. He discusses how to assess your strength on dominant and non dominant side, what the strength should be in opposition muscle groups(ex, biceps and triceps) and how to take someone who has never trained with weights to work through a progression to get tournament ready. Very dense with information. Pay special attention to slides.
Gary Fagan thanks for the directions to find that video, I will take a look at it, awesome to see such an in depth study on the muscle groups done specifically for table tennis!
Thanks, have you critiqued any of your games?
Thanks once again Champ, please keep doing It! May i ask you where you bought this great looking tibhar Shirt?
Thank you very much! I’ll keep going for sure! I got it a while back from PaddlePalace.com but I think it’s all sold out now
Great video. One more request if you can please share the name of the song which plays at the start of the video
Its a remix of heaven from Avicii I believe th-cam.com/video/qBHTdTbHr9Y/w-d-xo.html
Hi coach, I really liked the way you are explaining with the video illustration. I have been playing for around 5 years but still I have issue with switching backhand to forehand and moving near to far from the table. I end up with very ackward forehand movement especially during the rally. Could you kindly make a video on what's the crucial point that contributes to it and what the solution is?🙏
Hi thank you Im glad you have been enjoying the videos, yes thats a very good topic, I think you can look at high level players do those drills and you can record yourself and see what the differences are. it takes lots of coordination to link up moving in and out as well as switching from foreahnd to backhand while moving, so lots of practice with multiball slow at first and then build it up.
I will keep that in my mind next time i make a video.
@@PechPongTT 🤩🙏
Great video! A question on the last topic, wouldn't opening angles depend on your rubber as well though? I'd assume rubbers like Dignics 09c and Tenergy 05 would perform better with a closed angle, and rubbers like 64 for open angle. I recently switched over from long pimples because my forehand is lethal and I'm just better at attacking!
Also, what are your thoughts on having a small backswing like you're doing, vs having a big backswing like old school players (Kreanga)?
Hi yes good thoughts there, those rubbers do have higher throw angles and good spin. Also the faster you flick the less open you have to be. I guess in the video I wanted to address problems I had that I wish I would have known sooner, I was playing for a long time with a much too closed racket for any rubber and my % of makes was suffering because of that
Great. But I've noticed Ma Long and FZD leaning backwards on those loops. Why do they do that? It would also be interesting to listen to how you create strong forward going loops on backspins.
Hi I guess everything in moderation, your right, they probably go a bit up, but the common mistake is to really overdue it and it throws people out of whack. to get good speed you should try to contact it a bit early or at the top of the bounce for a good angle of attack and then you use a little bit more hit/spin ration than say a spiny loop and you drive the ball forwards and use the opponents backspin to help bring the ball down. this is very commonly used by the Chinese if you watch their multiball practice they do this a lot.
@@PechPongTT thank you so much. I was thinking of such explanation, but couldn't create a stable return in practice with a robot. Will be trying again. Thank you )
mantap semangat semoga sukses selalu lur salam dari KYP 089
Love your intro, which song is that? Love your content
Its an avicii tribute song called heaven I really cant find it on youtube anymore sorry :(
When you want play second or third topspin after backspin opening do you have to go one or two stets behind the table?
Good
Thank you :)
Thank's for bahasa Indonesia subs, (new subcriber)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed
Great video. About racket angle how many degrees are you talking about?
I believe you are referring to the backhand. For me as I played many backhands very closed I would say about 10 degrees more open would make a big difference, it’s important to also take it open on the way back as it will make it easier to keep it open through the shot. Lots of players close down the racket as they take it back and it makes it harder to open it on the way forward. Hope that helps! (It took me a month or more to get the feeling right so don’t be discouraged if it feels impossible)
Can you please explain open angle
Excellent! Why do you think Zhendong uses such a closed angle on BH if it is more difficult?
His timing is near perfect, his ability to adjust is also near perfect. When he strikes the ball he is maximizing spin and speed and needs to keep it closed or else it goes off the table. Also when you strike the ball so well ball is staying low during rally as well as having good pace so the ball is often times at the top or on the rise even when he is far. He can and often does open his racket when the ball is lower or strange but most of the time you see the closed racket getting max spin and speed out of each ball.
As a player improves I think it can be helpful to close the racket but I think it’s a progression.
Rubbers with high throw such as T05 or Rakza 7 require a very different backhand technique vs lower throw rubbers such as Mxp. I found my bh game was far more natural with lower throw rubbers where I could block and loop far more easily.
This is a very good point!! I agree 100% and it’s funny because I’ve met people who love the low throw angle rubbers such as MX-P I played mx-p for 8 years and when I put rubbers like tenergy or dignics I feel much better. Everyone is different in how they feel the ball.
I’m here again ! 😂Already watch this two times already. 👍I still have some questions about the body movement part. You have mentioned the arm structure should stay the same when block/top spin, but how about the body movement? Are they the same ? Also, What kind of role do you think the body parts(core,legs) play in short distance backhand? Some (not every) pro coaches here even say there is no need to use your body in short distance, which makes me a bit confused.What do you think?
p.s. I’m looking forward to the next video.🤩
Thanks for watching glad you liked it. I'll post two links here that should take you to two videos. One is Kreanga the other is Ma Long, from my experience and observation there are two different backhand schools, old school (turning the shoulder in and using more of the body to generate power like throwing a frisbee or disc) and the New school (more strait back to strait forward using less body and using the elbow and wrist as a levers to make speed and spin.) think Liam Pitchford he is not turning his shoulder back the way kreanga does.
Links
Kreanga th-cam.com/video/0yMdwja5c4c/w-d-xo.html
Ma Long th-cam.com/video/Y8Czp-8zoqg/w-d-xo.html
Liam Pitchford th-cam.com/video/LGzP8ljs6hA/w-d-xo.html
@@PechPongTT Thanks for the explanation. The videos really help. To make sure my understanding is correct, I make conclusion for bh near the table as follow:
New school: The mechanism is more about the forearm and the wrist (like 80%).Your core and legs mostly responsible for stability and recovery.
Old school: Body(50%)+arm(shoulder, forearm and wrist)50%
(the percentages are approximation. I know there isn't a correct answer)
pros and cons:
New school recovers faster and is more efficient. Suitable for near table play.
Old school is slower but stronger. Suitable for easy ball( high and slow) or far distance.
Am I right?🤔
Bill Hsu wow! Your 100% spot on!! Very good explanation 👍👍
Bill Hsu which technique do you use or would like to develop further?
PechPong TT
Since it’s always better to stay near the table, I will stick to new school Bh.😂
Maybe I can try out fancy old school Bh for fun (but I think it’s harder).
For me, using bh to loop under table is the hardeat. I can't find the brushing feeling. Usually I just push back 😅.
Yeah maybe the motion is tough and the feeling can be hard to get, maybe videotape it and see where it looks different from the pros, I would say the common faults are to reach for the ball and not let the ball come into the hitting zone and secondly I think if the elbow is moving around too much it’s hard to make a consistent stroke on the ball so try to keep it fixed, imagine a windshield wiper or a door hinge and keep the elbow steady also imagine trying to spin a wheel in with your stroke you don’t want to hit the wheel but brush it gently and make it spin.
Seth, what are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these same angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN?
So you will understand my question better, in my opinion, the BAT ANGLE is the angle of the bat to the ball during ball contact compared to a horizontal angle of zero° and a vertical angle of 90°. During a forehand loop against BACKSPIN, the BAT ANGLE is often about 45°, whereas during a forehand loop against TOPSPIN, the BAT ANGLE is sometimes as low as 30°. However, the ARM STROKE ANGLE (that describes the angle of the BAT'S FORWARD and UPWARD vectors in space) during a loop against backspin is often between 45° to 60° to help LIFT the BACKSPIN ball over the net. But the ARM STROKE ANGLE during a forehand loop against TOPSPIN often involves a more forward vector and so the ARM STROKE ANGLE during ball contact of a loop against TOPSPIN is often as low as 30°. In summary, in my opinion, for a loop against BACKSPIN, the BAT ANGLE is often about 45° and the BAT MOVEMENT ANGLE (the angle of the arm and therefore the bat moving forward to the ball) is often between 45° and 60°. But during a counter-loop against TOPSPIN the BAT ANGLE is often as low as 30° with a BAT MOVEMENT ANGLE often as low as 30° as well.
Hi yes, I would say the you are correct with your angles, typically the racket angle on heavy backspins is around 50 degrees and the arm movement is upwards about 50 degrees and you are correct about the topspin swing being say 30 degrees and also 30 degrees on arm movement. There is however a change when powerlooping underspin loops your racket angle is about say 55 degrees pretty open and your forearm movement upward is around 40 degrees and your acceleration is is pretty high, this is the technique the Chinese use seen mostly during multiball. hope that helps :)
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Hi,, how to increase the power and speed in bh loop and bh drive
Hi, I did a video on that maybe you have seen it.
Thanks for your information ❤️❤️❤️
Please put an Arabic language translation in subtitle.
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What do you mean by open angle?
Good question, if red is your backhand then closed would be red pointing strait at the floor. Open would mean red is showing to your opponent.
Just look at truls His backhand is all different. Nott too many fast straight and low shots. Arking and spiny. Many miss those in returns.
good video, but i dont understand english ggwp
That’s too bad what language do you speak?
love the channel. Intro too long
Hi thanks! I’ll shorten it a tad thanks
Same arm structure is a nice tip.🫡
Thanks yes it was a game changer for me