A lot of this still holds true today… especially the part about bullet ricochets and domestic violence calls being the most dangerous call an officer can goto.. I’m actually pretty impressed with this video.
Started my police career in 85, this was standard shooting training, taken right from the FBI. They didn't show the tea cup standing position. Alot of this training is still holds true today. Kept me safe after 28 years on the streets.v
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These old training videos are some of the best sources of knowledge as a lot of them are straight to the point, serious to a necessary degree, and easy to understand
Not really. They tend to be pretty dated actually. The stances and firearm holds are the worst offenders in this one. Still using that goofy one-handed , outstretched dueling hold. Don't even get me started on that butt out, square-facing squat. Guess people forgot that hold was developed for black powder pistols (aka pipe bombs), and accuracy was an afterthought in gentlemens duels.
@@adamfittro2084 Never been to modern firearms training eh? Look up Modified Weaver or Isosceles stance. Also asymmetrical hold with both hands. Granted you might find yourself FORCED to shoot one- handed in a worst case scenario. Recommend closing offhand in a fist.
@@Klaaism oml bro nobody cares about your reddit grips and shit this taught door taking showed proper pistol shooting and ballistics and common misconceptions you havent even fired an airsoft gun at somebody
Valuable insights. From utilizing ricochet fire to get around barriers and enemy cover to gauging penetration of cover. For example someone using cover on the corner of a modern house and having basic understanding of materials used and penetration data in line with various calibers. With ricochet creativity, one can send rounds the way a person plays billiards.
@@thesomewhatfantasticmrfoxSolid concrete block construction mainly. Usually a 10cm (4”) block on it’s side but occasionally a 15cm (6”). Although full timber construction is also used in places and timber framed with a concrete block or brick exterior skin also common. It’s easier to heat a house with studded wall construction than full concrete. Full concrete tends to stay cooler in summer. Especially with tiled floors. Like in Mexico or Southern California. As for piercing a concrete wall with a rifle, it’s unlikely your target would stay static enough for you to fire at the same spot multiple times and achieve anything other than a hole in your wall that needs to be fixed.
I doubt it was an 11lb trigger (more like 8) but to this day I believe you shoot weak hand on qual courses. I know we shot weak hand barricade with revolvers at 25 yards to qualify.
I respectfully disagree with you the game wardens car is a 1977 Plymouth Gran Fury i owned a car just like that in the early 1980s. The white police car looks like a 1974 model Plymouth Fury
Every game Warden I've ever seen was in a 4x4 Pickup or a heavy SUV. That car would definitely throw the poachers off. When I was a kid they always drove there personal vehicles with a cheap peeling sticker for an emblem.
I watched these instructional videos in the Police Academy many many years ago, this and '10 Fatal Errors' remain burned in my memory to this day. I was issued with both the S&W Model 10 in .38 calibre and later the Glock17 in .40 S&W. In retirement I don't miss the stress, but I did enjoy the training. Ah, the memories. The firearms look so ancient today, a bit like me.😊.
@@GeraldBoykin-dw9xe one of the things that always strikes me is just how much of the core fundamentals do still remain relevant all the years later. Technique changes but fundamentals really stay the same.
This reminds me of a training video I saw more than twenty years ago, one that probably was meant to expand on the ideas in this video. They were basically taking all sorts of objects a person might choose to take cover behind (cars, dumpsters, brick and cinder block walls, etc.) and shooting at them with various calibers to demonstrate how much actual protection/stopping power such objects might offer. I believe it was intended to help a person be more mindful of how protected they are behind whatever object they've chosen for cover. Once in a while I look for it on TH-cam, but so far I haven't had any luck.
Sounds interesting! I know I've seen similar videos explaining the concept of what you're talking about, so maybe I've watched a similar or even the same video.
I remember watching an old video where some ex special forces guy was watching old war/police movies and evaluating the realism in them. One thing he said that stuck out to me was how soldiers in movies always take cover alongside walls and how real soldiers know better and it was very dangerous due to ricochet. Never really understood what he meant until now.
Its impressive how we jumped from always hip-shooting to always-aim shooting. But several things haven't changed at all; family violence calls are (still) the most dangerous calls a police officer can attend to for several reasons and traffic stop shootings has been always a thing. But I never thought police ambushes were actually a thing back in the 60s-70s. Full respects to the old school police officers and to the old school fallen police officers in the line of duty, they're the foundation of today's police training. May their sacrifice never be forgotten.
Those hip firing and point shooting are some legit techniques that are really forgotten in today's training. Those were definitely techniques used by William Fairbairne during his time in Shanghai, the world's most violent city in the 1920s.
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 Not aiming a firearm when you have the ability to is a bad tactical mistake. The ONLY acceptable current non-aiming of a gun is for retention shooting when someone is trying to take your firearm & you CAN'T aim it.
I have often seen on training videos to stay away from a wall as ricochets can mess up your day. I didn't realise how effective floor and wall ricochets were. Bullets running parallel along the ground or along a wall really makes it an effective strategy to nail someone ignorant of the science.
lol I would love to see a video of some cop intentionally ricocheting a bullet into a gunman like a character straight out of Wanted XD nah dude, definitely not a useful tactic... ricochets happen accidentally when someone is shooting and misses. Shooting at certain metals can even send ricochets flying directly back at you.
There's a bit in Black Hawk Down where Will Fichtner's Sanderson tells Ewan McGregor's Grimes to "stay away from the walls". Mark Bowden mentioned in the book "ricochets could travel hundreds of yards down a wall" and I never really understood that when I read the book years ago - but this video explains why.
@@hoilst265 You're right! I didn't get that part either at the time. I don't think the filmmakers did either, as they tied the scene to an RPG hitting the wall right after that line.
Richochet science also applies to bone, instances where a bullet will hit the forehead but not penetrate, but instead richochet and run across the side of the head.
@@ThatOneGuyWhoLostHisHandle Did you even watch the video? Utilising ricochets deliberately means you don't have to be as accurate because the angle is so forgiving to the shooter and punishing to the recipient
For many years I worked as a county conservation officer, and in the early 1990s we still wore the green iridescent jacket (with green fur collar) and green felt hat worn by the game warden officer in this video at around 3:45 - 4:00. Years later we referred to it as the "disco" jacket.
NYPD officers have always been raised in urban environments; most have no firearms experience. The Department only taught double-action fire with the revolver. Officers would sometimes get excited and cock the hammer without the slightest idea of how to lower it! The solution was to take it to somebody who knew how to de-cock the revolver, or go somewhere where the gun could be fired! The Department was aware of this, but still chose not to train officers how to de-cock, for fear that officers would start shooting single action. So, all revolvers ordered from Smith and Wesson were delivered with the sears filed off at the factory making it impossible to cock the revolver. This began with the first purchases of the Model 64 revolver.
Another change. On the pistol course the trainee empties the spent rounds into his hand. that is strictly to keep the range policed. It was later learned that you play how you practice. Dead cops were found with empties in their hands. The idea now or when we carried revolvers, was to dump the empties and reload as quickly as possible.
When was this found ever? If you say Norco then you're wrong. There's no evidence of that happening at Norco, there's actually evidence to the opposite with 6 empty casings on the ground near Pence in a crime scene photo.
I've heard or read the bad habit of unloading Revolver empty brass was traced to LEO training before the April 1972 CHP night-time traffic stop in the "Newhall (CA) Incident" when 4 Officers were killed in line of duty; although one of the two in the first arriving patrol car was armed with a Shotgun but killed before able to return fire.
Had an instructor tell us about a cop that disarmed a suspect and then handed the gun back. Suspect shot and killed him. It was because in training he would disarm his buddy, hand it back, and repeat. It was muscle memory that killed him.
Love this. My first handgun was a 5 inch S&W Model 10. Pretty much the standard police issue back in the day. This makes me want to go out and find a nice police turn in.
Shooting techniques today focus on doing so to comply with policy and look good in a court room. Don't think that some how the wheel has been reinvented better.
@@haroldenglish943 They are using one hand when using two is an option and would be more effective. Back then people were taught to shoot handguns primarily with one hand, that is no longer the case. There are several other things they are doing that are anachronistic and inferior to current practices Shooting technique has come a long way since this was filmed.
@@haroldenglish943It includes one handed shooting, but one handed shooting is completely obsolete nowadays. The ways of old are the ways of old for a reason. Lots of blood was paid for us to learn the hard way
0:42 The first cop was some kinda psychic. He gave a suspect clothing description without even seeing the guy. “Hey officer, he was a young kid with a gun!” “White male, around 20, wearing a red plaid jacket...”
In Scout school for the Army, we got taught about the "twelve inch rabbits." Our instructors told us to stay at least a foot away from any wall while we were traversing an area and going from room-to-room. Incoming bullets will hit the wall and travel parallel. I don't actually know why they called them rabbits, but it had something to do with the ricochet bullets hitting hard surfaces and travelling parallel to the surface it hits. It's incredibly important to teach about the "twelve inch rabbits" because a human's natural instinct is to lean into a wall or surface when incoming fire occurs, which is actually the opposite of what you should do.
The Feds could have used Jelly down in Miami in ‘86. They seriously underestimated their opponents and paid for it with their lives. Outgunned and out maneuvered by two determined criminals , Platt and Mattix.
So much has changed across the law enforcement landscape since this video was produced. Before body armor, portable radios, SWAT, AR-15/M-4 rifles, and high capacity semi-auto handguns, you had six shot revolvers and shotguns, and slap jacks. Many of the principles presented in this video are still relevant today.
@@cia5602 dude criminals have out gunned cops since the old west cuz gangsters got money so they can buy a henry repeter in the wild west a tommy gun in the 20s an fal in the 90s like the north hollywood shootout they specifically chose the scoped fal because its .308 rds will do more damage to helicopters now we got auto switches and shitty clear beta mags with a blue lazer lol
We learned to keep off of walls and to use cover from a distance in academy. You can slowly encroach a corner from a distance whilst leaning out instead of humping the wall like this.
Police officers had much stronger arms in those days due solely to the size of their radio. But they tired much quicker in foot chases for the same reason. True fact, I was there.
My dad used to train men on this type of defenses and offensive tactics. He showed me when I was a kid how to make buckshot follow a wall, and bounce rounds at enemies. The coolist was when he took part in a US Army H&K SAW's and high-powered anti personal rifles.
Interesting change of loading tactics from 1960 to 1984. This trainee is being taught to fully load the weapon the charge it and add another round. I was taught to charge the weapon first to be ready to deploy it, the load. Saves several seconds.
Are you speaking about the shotgun? Because if the hammer is back on 9 out of 10 revolvers save for maybe possibly old soviet ones the cylinder will not swing out
I remember films just like this one from the academy. The book that was given to us as a Bible was call street survival. It is as relevant today as it was in the 80’s
What a great old video! I used to use the ricochet principle on a stony or gravel army range - I'd aim bottom of target and I'd still score via a ricochet or a scattering of gravel if I was too low. Did that for a while until my marksmanship improved.
We had that happen a few years ago in the town over. Officers pulled up. Lady was screaming. Her boyfriend popped her good. Then he opened the door and started firing at the officers.
Didn't know the ricochet effect was that parallel to walls and ground. Good tip. Also the close range shooting handling of the gun was useful. Hope I don't need to use it, glad I learnt it.
Back in the 80's we were issued Smith & Wesson 4 inch bull barreled .38 special model 10's with the blued finish. The ammo was the man stopping Winchester 158 gr. +P lead tipped hollow point. I had two speed loaders and two speed strips on my gun belt. This was a total of 24 rounds on my gun belt and six rounds in the chamber. A grand total of 30 rounds! Plus I had a 5 shot Smith & Wesson mod 36 blue Steele 5 shot .38 special on my ankle in a ankle holster as a backup pistol. Back in those days the revolver was king and my revolver saved my life more than once. I purchased my service revolver and I have retired the old girl to this day. Lord bless the fallen officers that have made the ultimate sacrifice who didn't make it to see this day and Lord bless the men and women of the APD, watch your six and be safe.
Served during the same time frame. I replaced my service revolver with a Colt Python 4" blue finish. My ankle holster backup was a Colt detective 2", 6 shot blue finish. Still have those two today. My daughter will inherit them. Also retired and kept my department issued Glock 17 Gen 4.
Those wimpy revolvers make me laugh they should have been using modern handguns from 1970 onward it wasn't the 19th century I hate revolvers with a passion
Your basic Arachnid warrior isn't too smart, but you can blow off a limb and it's still 86 percent combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem, and put it down for good Would you like to know more ?
I started in the 74 as a police cadet in Toronto and graduated to a constable in 1977 when I was issued a 38 calibre revolver along with six extra bullets that we carried in a pouch in our pockets. This video sure brings back memories of the training we received back in those years. It was almost 20 years later before they began to issue us Glock 40 calibre pistols along with two extra magazines.
1:44 -- Lord God.... It's like watching Agent Hanlon from the Miami-Dade movie; he took his eyes off the target to focus on reloading his revolver exactly the way the trainee here did, and paid the price for it. It's almost surreal seeing it happen in this training video, knowing what was eventually to come of these flawed defensive pistol considerations.
Car stops and Family Disputes are the two most deadly still in many areas in the U.S.. I always hated the revolver, I started carrying a Semiautomatic the day I got off probation. A lot of guys did in certain areas of the City, long before we officially went to the 9MM.
The ricochet part was interesting re exit angle. I remember a squaddie saying how they would avoid standing near walls on patrol in Northern Ireland due to the odd way the bullets would ricochet parallel
Ah, the pre-militarization days when cops carried .38 revolvers and wore normal uniforms.... Anyway much of this is still good, viable advice today -- even hip shooting (or what with pistols we called "point shooting") is just as effective as aimed fire at close range, and significantly faster and more "natural" feeling. I myself learned the "FBI crouch" pistol stance back in the day.
Pistols were not part of the "militarization". Not even rifles were. Semi-auto pistols made revolvers obsolete for this purpose, it's a technological advancement. See: the Miami-Dade Shootout. Rifles like the AR-15 made the shotgun obsolete due to it's greater capacity, penetration, ranged effectiveness, and ability to pierce soft body armor. See: the North Hollywood Shootout. The military uses semi-auto pistols and AR-15 platform rifles because again, revolvers, battle rifles, and shotguns are obsolete for main combat use. I have one rule in my mind for this, Law Enforcement should not have access to weapons the public can't access, they should not be better armed than the people they are over. California cops should have the same 10 round mags and shitty rifle requirements as the citizens do.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 Yes I'm aware of all you're saying; that's why I mentioned the revolvers separately. Actually most departments kept revolvers long past the point of obsolescence (in the sense of semis being objectively superior in firepower, speed, and having long ironed out any reliability issues that turned police off of them in the early era). The AR however I will disagree with, as far as having made shotguns obsolete. Shotguns are not obsolete by any stretch of the imagination, whether it's civilian, law enforcement or military you're talking about. They simply do things rifles don't/can't, and are used as the situation calls for. They have their place just as rifles do. They're arguably of more effective use (and safer as far as bystanders) in most urban environments due to their ability to utilize all manner of loads from slugs to beanbags; have immense stopping power, can serve as breaching implements, and will not overpenetrate through walls/doors etc. like rifles will. Assuming appropriate loads are used as per situational requirement of course. And note I'm speaking from a policing perspective here; obviously nobody is advocating to replace assault rifles with shotguns... Both have their place. IMO a good modern shotgun is a viable main weapon in most urban policing situations (always plus sidearm). In military use it falls naturally into a specialist role in most theaters. Anyway re: police militarization I'm specifically talking about a conglomeration of factors that resulted in a massive transformation of most police forces from the era seen this video, to that which we've had since the 1990s or so. At that point the 'war on drugs' was ramping up and after high profile shootouts (The North Hollywood comes to mind as well) all the sudden there was huge money in police budgets... So: The change to the "SWAT" look that even most beat cops have shifted to eg; all black tactical gear and combat armor replacing standard uniforms -- and that all valued as much for it's intimidation factor as any practical use. Also the routine issuing of selectfire assault rifles and SMGs (even HE grenades depending on department and district), and the so called "tanks" (armored tactical vehicles like the Bearcat -- which mind you may as well be tanks as far as their being impervious to most small arms and being able to smash through fences, walls, houses, etc). There too, such vehicles and armaments are valued as much or more for their intimidation factor against the public than any practical use. Then there's the change in training and tactics, which again saw a massive shift away from community focus, de-escalation, etc and again toward a military standard which comes out not just in how officers deal with criminals and violent situations, but also in how they deal with innocent people or minor issues. Now you combine that with the pronounced "Us vs. Them" mindset and adversarial approach taken to most civilian interaction, and overall cumulative effect is militarization..... The goal being intimidation by show of force; and ensuring they massively outgun and overpower any resistance the public may put up. This has the secondary effect of psychologically reinforcing the military nature and "us vs. them" mentality of police, and makes most civilians afraid to assert their rights or push back on illegal/unethical police behavior. But I digress... I absolutely agree though that civilians should have access to the same weapons police, and indeed the military, use. And the reverse: If we're limited to magazine limits and other nonsense, the police should have to abide by the same. The founding fathers were explicitly clear (if the 2A wasn't clear enough as is) that _the main, primary purpose of civilian gun ownership was NOT hunting or self defense or sport... But to be equally well armed to fight alongside our standing army. Or to fight effectively _*_against_*_ them if need be, and by extension to remove a tyrannical government from power._ Civilians owning military weapons was the express intent from day one, despite what the antis will say. Anyone who doubts me should start with the Federalist Papers and continue reading the rest of the founders' writings for very clear instructions and intent on gun ownership and the power/obligations of the people in this Republic.
I would prefer the officers have armor, look at newhall, those officers would’ve lived if they had armor (well most of them anyway, one was shot in the head) and they were outgunned due to their opponents having semis and the officers only having revolvers (one had a shotgun they never managed to fire before dying)
My grandpa was a cop from mid60s to mid90s. He started out being issued a Revolver with only 12 extra rounds in cartridge loops. That's all he needed during the 60s. Then he was issued a speed loader during the late70s. Just one more stupid belt-gadget he thought of the speed loader. Then crack cocaine hit the streets. His new police chief mandated all uniformed cops who carried wheel guns to carry a triple pouch speed loader rig. My grandpa was finally convinced. He now sported a 357 mag revolver, 3 speed loaders, 6 rounds in beltloops and a 357 mag Snubbie for backup. Then a couple of idiots in California shotup downtown los Angeles during the mid 90s. My grandpa was dragged kicking and screaming into semiautomatics. The Dept swiped away his wheel gun and accessories and issued him a Glock 9 mil with 2 extra 17 round mags. He then decided his white hair replaced his brown hair and he turned in his retirement papers. He told us he always thought society would better itself eventually. But to his horror, it got worse and more violent.
Depends. Some doors may be strenghten with balistic plates, but it is optional and rare. So yes, TV (what a suprise) is fiction, but it may happen that doors of a police car are stronger than of a regular car.
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A lot of this still holds true today… especially the part about bullet ricochets and domestic violence calls being the most dangerous call an officer can goto.. I’m actually pretty impressed with this video.
This video is 11 years old and still your comment from a day ago already has 64 Likes - how is this even possible?
@@anjasnyder7996 guess people like vintage cop training videos
@@anjasnyder7996 For some reason in my recommendation also. Bit weird.
@@anjasnyder7996 magic of the algorithm
is impressive how the physics of the ricochets didn't change after all this years
Not entirely sure how the officer knew the description of the suspect without the victim actually telling him.
Because he is psychic.
Profiling 🤣🤣🤣
@@brianseiber7623 which is sometimes needed
He aced the Sherlock Holmes course that came the month before.
Mustaches give you +40 perception. That's why Pilot, Firemen, and Cops alike grow them.
Started my police career in 85, this was standard shooting training, taken right from the FBI. They didn't show the tea cup standing position. Alot of this training is still holds true today. Kept me safe after 28 years on the streets.v
Started on the job in '84. I'm with you and glad I made retirement in one piece.
@James Shenay : Started in 1981, still going at it lol Just celebrated my 42nd year. Retiring at the end of the year. Great career, no regrets :)
About how many people's rights have you violated over the course of your career?
@@ChiTownGuerrilla annd heres the 12 year old
@@ChiTownGuerrilla A gamer given misrepresentations by everyday divisive television, music and games...
Guerrilla:
noun: a person who engages in irregular warfare especially as a member of an independent unit carrying out harassment and sabotage.
adjective: of, relating to, or suggestive of guerrillas especially in being aggressive, radical, or unconventional.
I like my windows unbroken =Passive police presence.
You break windows =Dynamic police activity.
These old training videos are some of the best sources of knowledge as a lot of them are straight to the point, serious to a necessary degree, and easy to understand
Not really. They tend to be pretty dated actually. The stances and firearm holds are the worst offenders in this one. Still using that goofy one-handed , outstretched dueling hold. Don't even get me started on that butt out, square-facing squat. Guess people forgot that hold was developed for black powder pistols (aka pipe bombs), and accuracy was an afterthought in gentlemens duels.
@@Klaaismwhere’s your evidence that these are truly dated?
@@adamfittro2084 Never been to modern firearms training eh? Look up Modified Weaver or Isosceles stance. Also asymmetrical hold with both hands. Granted you might find yourself FORCED to shoot one- handed in a worst case scenario. Recommend closing offhand in a fist.
@@manitoba-op4jx Oh no some internet rando might ignore me... lmao. Whatever, dude.
@@Klaaism oml bro nobody cares about your reddit grips and shit this taught door taking showed proper pistol shooting and ballistics and common misconceptions you havent even fired an airsoft gun at somebody
The ricochet part was very useful and the first time Ive heard of ricochet being used strategically.
Yes, heavy armed cops excused ricochet agains unarmed civilians. th-cam.com/video/Ra5RJI2Vs9M/w-d-xo.html
Valuable insights. From utilizing ricochet fire to get around barriers and enemy cover to gauging penetration of cover. For example someone using cover on the corner of a modern house and having basic understanding of materials used and penetration data in line with various calibers.
With ricochet creativity, one can send rounds the way a person plays billiards.
There was a CCTV video from a ukrainian APC gunner cam shooting under another armored vehicle to hit russian troops behind it
@@NYG5 I think I saw that one, was it a BMP blasting a bunch of russian tanks?
@@zacharyzoellner6526 yeah it was a BMP against something else, very close range
Well this blows the physics of every first person shooter game out of the water
I know it's a mindfuck right, ¼" of drywall won't stop a 38 special
@@thesomewhatfantasticmrfox COD devs:"sooooooo....it shoots confetti past five feet?"
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american houses are built differently, in Europe you would need a cannon, preferably the 152mm howitzer.
@@thesomewhatfantasticmrfoxSolid concrete block construction mainly. Usually a 10cm (4”) block on it’s side but occasionally a 15cm (6”). Although full timber construction is also used in places and timber framed with a concrete block or brick exterior skin also common. It’s easier to heat a house with studded wall construction than full concrete. Full concrete tends to stay cooler in summer. Especially with tiled floors. Like in Mexico or Southern California.
As for piercing a concrete wall with a rifle, it’s unlikely your target would stay static enough for you to fire at the same spot multiple times and achieve anything other than a hole in your wall that needs to be fixed.
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Tell that to the Ukrainians using Soviet era apartment blocks as bunkers.
Iron sights left handed with an 11 pound trigger. That's talent. We've gone soft.
that's still part of the Navy's pistol qual
You dont train with your non-dominant hand? I thought it was common practice.
@@kellyshea92 I agree - I also shoot a double-action pistol with a heavy trigger.
I doubt it was an 11lb trigger (more like 8) but to this day I believe you shoot weak hand on qual courses. I know we shot weak hand barricade with revolvers at 25 yards to qualify.
Cry about it
I'd actually say this is circa late 70's. The game warden's car at 4:00 is a 1974 Plymouth Fury.
This was filmed in 1974
I respectfully disagree with you the game wardens car is a 1977 Plymouth Gran Fury i owned a car just like that in the early 1980s. The white police car looks like a 1974 model Plymouth Fury
@@gunslinger2172 It is not a 77 Plymouth GF, it is a 74 Fury,. The 1977 Gran Fury only had 2 front headlights versus the 4 on the 1974.
Every game Warden I've ever seen was in a 4x4 Pickup or a heavy SUV. That car would definitely throw the poachers off. When I was a kid they always drove there personal vehicles with a cheap peeling sticker for an emblem.
@@matthewtalich9989 Back in the '70s , Wardens mostly were issued standard cruisers , issued trucks didn't become common until the '80s .
Films from this era had such a raw feeling to them. That's what makes it so fascinating.
I watched these instructional videos in the Police Academy many many years ago, this and '10 Fatal Errors' remain burned in my memory to this day. I was issued with both the S&W Model 10 in .38 calibre and later the Glock17 in .40 S&W. In retirement I don't miss the stress, but I did enjoy the training. Ah, the memories. The firearms look so ancient today, a bit like me.😊.
We need Old School styles like yours and the Old School Gun Styles
These old timey training videos are awesome.
The same principles apply today and is never out of date!
@@GeraldBoykin-dw9xe one of the things that always strikes me is just how much of the core fundamentals do still remain relevant all the years later. Technique changes but fundamentals really stay the same.
@@JG54206 : You are full of rhetoric! Nothing is new, police and FBI were training before you were born. Welcome 🌎
This reminds me of a training video I saw more than twenty years ago, one that probably was meant to expand on the ideas in this video. They were basically taking all sorts of objects a person might choose to take cover behind (cars, dumpsters, brick and cinder block walls, etc.) and shooting at them with various calibers to demonstrate how much actual protection/stopping power such objects might offer. I believe it was intended to help a person be more mindful of how protected they are behind whatever object they've chosen for cover. Once in a while I look for it on TH-cam, but so far I haven't had any luck.
Cool man
Sounds interesting! I know I've seen similar videos explaining the concept of what you're talking about, so maybe I've watched a similar or even the same video.
Also want to see that
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If you find it could you tell me the title of the video pleaae
Always lots of knowledge to be found in these older videos.
Loving how the cop gave a full description of the perp over the radio without seeing him and zero information
Small town
@@bobcat1184 And the same repeat offender.
The "usual" suspect. This time it's the white guy!
@@jaminova_1969Lol, at first i thought this was a movie and a comedy at that. And that the cop was Richard Pryor
And it was a voiceover, wasn't even the actor for the officer talking
I remember watching an old video where some ex special forces guy was watching old war/police movies and evaluating the realism in them. One thing he said that stuck out to me was how soldiers in movies always take cover alongside walls and how real soldiers know better and it was very dangerous due to ricochet. Never really understood what he meant until now.
I wasn't even an instructor and I can't tell how many times I had to tell fucktards to get off the goddamn wall
Its impressive how we jumped from always hip-shooting to always-aim shooting. But several things haven't changed at all; family violence calls are (still) the most dangerous calls a police officer can attend to for several reasons and traffic stop shootings has been always a thing. But I never thought police ambushes were actually a thing back in the 60s-70s. Full respects to the old school police officers and to the old school fallen police officers in the line of duty, they're the foundation of today's police training. May their sacrifice never be forgotten.
i think the main security issue is going into a house that you don't know the layout of.
Those hip firing and point shooting are some legit techniques that are really forgotten in today's training. Those were definitely techniques used by William Fairbairne during his time in Shanghai, the world's most violent city in the 1920s.
Ambushes were something that sixties radical groups did a lot of, the Black Liberation Army was notorious for it.
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 Not aiming a firearm when you have the ability to is a bad tactical mistake.
The ONLY acceptable current non-aiming of a gun is for retention shooting when someone is trying to take your firearm & you CAN'T aim it.
@@ClickClack_BamIt's not bad tactics to fire without aiming. It's bad for review, policy, and a court room. Know the difference.
Definitely mid-late 1970s footage, many cars from the mid 70s are in the video
Just like cop shows from the 70s - they're all Fords!
@@peterf4552 -- Looked like a lot of Plymouths to me.
I have often seen on training videos to stay away from a wall as ricochets can mess up your day. I didn't realise how effective floor and wall ricochets were. Bullets running parallel along the ground or along a wall really makes it an effective strategy to nail someone ignorant of the science.
lol I would love to see a video of some cop intentionally ricocheting a bullet into a gunman like a character straight out of Wanted XD nah dude, definitely not a useful tactic... ricochets happen accidentally when someone is shooting and misses. Shooting at certain metals can even send ricochets flying directly back at you.
There's a bit in Black Hawk Down where Will Fichtner's Sanderson tells Ewan McGregor's Grimes to "stay away from the walls". Mark Bowden mentioned in the book "ricochets could travel hundreds of yards down a wall" and I never really understood that when I read the book years ago - but this video explains why.
@@hoilst265 You're right! I didn't get that part either at the time. I don't think the filmmakers did either, as they tied the scene to an RPG hitting the wall right after that line.
Richochet science also applies to bone, instances where a bullet will hit the forehead but not penetrate, but instead richochet and run across the side of the head.
@@ThatOneGuyWhoLostHisHandle Did you even watch the video? Utilising ricochets deliberately means you don't have to be as accurate because the angle is so forgiving to the shooter and punishing to the recipient
For many years I worked as a county conservation officer, and in the early 1990s we still wore the green iridescent jacket (with green fur collar) and green felt hat worn by the game warden officer in this video at around 3:45 - 4:00. Years later we referred to it as the "disco" jacket.
Now that i see it that officer is PIMPIN man
Creek poe poe
Iridescent stuff should be more popular, I'm honestly surprised it isn't.
My grandfather was a NYPD range instructor - I've shot that pistol -- the recoil😳 This video makes his life and stories all that more terrifying.
That pistol is a 60s colt official police. It's the gun on my hip right now the recoil isn't very bad
@@JohnWilliams-zf4qr Colt Official Police my ass. It's a S&W Model 10.
@@JohnWilliams-zf4qr must be an airsoft gun
@@hoppinggnomethe4154and the recoil of shooting plain Jane .38s is non existent. Feels like the revolver is sneezing 😂. Love K-Frames!
NYPD officers have always been raised in urban environments; most have no firearms experience. The Department only taught double-action fire with the revolver. Officers would sometimes get excited and cock the hammer without the slightest idea of how to lower it! The solution was to take it to somebody who knew how to de-cock the revolver, or go somewhere where the gun could be fired! The Department was aware of this, but still chose not to train officers how to de-cock, for fear that officers would start shooting single action. So, all revolvers ordered from Smith and Wesson were delivered with the sears filed off at the factory making it impossible to cock the revolver. This began with the first purchases of the Model 64 revolver.
More than half a century later and people still stick their damn knees out of cover.
Another change. On the pistol course the trainee empties the spent rounds into his hand. that is strictly to keep the range policed. It was later learned that you play how you practice. Dead cops were found with empties in their hands. The idea now or when we carried revolvers, was to dump the empties and reload as quickly as possible.
When was this found ever?
If you say Norco then you're wrong. There's no evidence of that happening at Norco, there's actually evidence to the opposite with 6 empty casings on the ground near Pence in a crime scene photo.
I've heard or read the bad habit of unloading Revolver empty brass was traced to LEO training before the April 1972 CHP night-time traffic stop in the "Newhall (CA) Incident" when 4 Officers were killed in line of duty; although one of the two in the first arriving patrol car was armed with a Shotgun but killed before able to return fire.
The FBI agents in Miami who were killed in the shootout had empt brass in their pockets when they were searched.
Had an instructor tell us about a cop that disarmed a suspect and then handed the gun back. Suspect shot and killed him. It was because in training he would disarm his buddy, hand it back, and repeat. It was muscle memory that killed him.
@@rustyshackleford5269 Some instructors tell stories to scare you.
Love this. My first handgun was a 5 inch S&W Model 10. Pretty much the standard police issue back in the day. This makes me want to go out and find a nice police turn in.
That's how I got my model 15
A serviceable model 10 can be reasonably aquired. New grips, springs, and polish stone the action she'll sing real pretty.
They got police trade in glocks more so nowdays wonder if any departments still carry revolvers now
Shooting technique has come a LOOOOOONG way since then.
Shooting techniques today focus on doing so to comply with policy and look good in a court room. Don't think that some how the wheel has been reinvented better.
@@haroldenglish943 Oh but it has. We use two hands now.
@darikdatta7566 To clarify, whatever training you've received, has NOT included one-handed shooting?
@@haroldenglish943 They are using one hand when using two is an option and would be more effective. Back then people were taught to shoot handguns primarily with one hand, that is no longer the case. There are several other things they are doing that are anachronistic and inferior to current practices
Shooting technique has come a long way since this was filmed.
@@haroldenglish943It includes one handed shooting, but one handed shooting is completely obsolete nowadays. The ways of old are the ways of old for a reason. Lots of blood was paid for us to learn the hard way
is incredible how bullets ricochets goes straight from the surface of impact, very useful info!
0:42
The first cop was some kinda psychic. He gave a suspect clothing description without even seeing the guy. “Hey officer, he was a young kid with a gun!”
“White male, around 20, wearing a red plaid jacket...”
@Not Sure why
@Bodhi sattva so describing someone and using skin color is racist now?
@Templar Knight what?
My Hero Academic in the 1950s be like in America but with adults only
@@tomatosoupwoo Yes, it always has.
In Scout school for the Army, we got taught about the "twelve inch rabbits." Our instructors told us to stay at least a foot away from any wall while we were traversing an area and going from room-to-room. Incoming bullets will hit the wall and travel parallel.
I don't actually know why they called them rabbits, but it had something to do with the ricochet bullets hitting hard surfaces and travelling parallel to the surface it hits. It's incredibly important to teach about the "twelve inch rabbits" because a human's natural instinct is to lean into a wall or surface when incoming fire occurs, which is actually the opposite of what you should do.
Black Hawk Down- "Stay away from the walls"
The last part of combat shooting was taught to the FBI by the late lawman Jelly Bryce. He really helped move the feds training in the right direction.
Cool bro
thats a bad thing
The Feds could have used Jelly down in Miami in ‘86. They seriously underestimated their opponents and paid for it with their lives. Outgunned and out maneuvered by two determined criminals , Platt and Mattix.
ok boomer
Why does the FBI need to be trained by the ADL?
So much has changed across the law enforcement landscape since this video was produced.
Before body armor, portable radios, SWAT, AR-15/M-4 rifles, and high capacity semi-auto handguns, you had six shot revolvers and shotguns, and slap jacks.
Many of the principles presented in this video are still relevant today.
Its like they were sheriffs in the old west
we have it worse off today with criminals having fully auto glock handguns with 30 round mags
@@cia5602 dude criminals have out gunned cops since the old west cuz gangsters got money so they can buy a henry repeter in the wild west a tommy gun in the 20s an fal in the 90s like the north hollywood shootout they specifically chose the scoped fal because its .308 rds will do more damage to helicopters now we got auto switches and shitty clear beta mags with a blue lazer lol
@@cia5602 that hollywood shootout is like one of the main reasons cops carry patrol rifles now instead of just pistols and shottys
And shootings
Love the sound dubbing of the gunshots
Likely not dubbed. A lot of departments used wadcutters, back before quality hollow points existed. Wadcutters are generally really low recoil.
We learned to keep off of walls and to use cover from a distance in academy. You can slowly encroach a corner from a distance whilst leaning out instead of humping the wall like this.
Wonder if any of these actors survive to this day. A lot of relevant info on cover and ricochets!
That 30lb radio could have been used as cover on its own.
😂 saved by Motorola
Police officers had much stronger arms in those days due solely to the size of their radio. But they tired much quicker in foot chases for the same reason. True fact, I was there.
As a police officer or a criminal lmao@@TRogers2
My dad used to train men on this type of defenses and offensive tactics. He showed me when I was a kid how to make buckshot follow a wall, and bounce rounds at enemies.
The coolist was when he took part in a US Army H&K SAW's and high-powered anti personal rifles.
Sounds like you had a cool Dad.
What exactly is an anti personnel rifle? To me all guns are anti person so pls explain it to me
@@APersonOnTH-camX yes, kind of is it a interesting term I believe it means a weapon whose primary is is war without hunting applications
@@APersonOnTH-camX it can get them inside of armor/transport usually is the definitive feature of “anti personnel” rifles
@@thetechlibrarian But still for civilian use, remember the 2nd amendment was never about hunting
Interesting change of loading tactics from 1960 to 1984. This trainee is being taught to fully load the weapon the charge it and add another round. I was taught to charge the weapon first to be ready to deploy it, the load. Saves several seconds.
Are you speaking about the shotgun? Because if the hammer is back on 9 out of 10 revolvers save for maybe possibly old soviet ones the cylinder will not swing out
@@sdivine13 Shotgun. The theory is put one in the chamber first in case you need to shoot in a hurry. At least you have one round ready to go.
ahh .. the good ole days of field training in thin black socks
I remember films just like this one from the academy. The book that was given to us as a Bible was call street survival. It is as relevant today as it was in the 80’s
I remember it well!
I actually have an original of Street Survival. There is a second one aswell.
@@RAIDER8388 I have that one as well.
This training film is crazy that it was still used in 1986.
What a great old video! I used to use the ricochet principle on a stony or gravel army range - I'd aim bottom of target and I'd still score via a ricochet or a scattering of gravel if I was too low. Did that for a while until my marksmanship improved.
2:09 I found the result of correcting the pupil’s bent wrist and forearm obvious... and satisfying.
I find the big ol' wart on the shooter's finger satisfying
that's crazy, I didn't know they trained them to hip fire shotguns lol
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These are damn good advices and very practical tutorial overall. Geez, FBI did a thing over here. I’m quite impressed!
Hello! I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from such films as The Boatjacking of Supership 79 and Hydro: the Man With the Hydraulic Arms.
Personally, I've always been fond of _The President's Neck Is Missing!_
I was taught to shoot under cars, but they did not mention bullet richote principles. Old video, great information. Thank you.
This is excellent!! Someone finally published the the deleted scenes (:25 - 1:35) from the robbery in Reservoir Dogs.
Remember, if you're a '70s bad guy and someone knocks on your door, lay out your wife first then start shooting no questions asked. 9:30
He slap her lol
Bitch slap!
We had that happen a few years ago in the town over. Officers pulled up. Lady was screaming. Her boyfriend popped her good. Then he opened the door and started firing at the officers.
Why he slap?@@ruthiekest3218
Didn't know the ricochet effect was that parallel to walls and ground. Good tip. Also the close range shooting handling of the gun was useful. Hope I don't need to use it, glad I learnt it.
Well you didn't learn it, you learned of it, still gotta practice it.
A 60 something masterpiece!
They could still use it to this day.
The ricochet part is something I have never seen in modern training videos.
I like all the old cars in this video…I remember when they were new!
Old school cops always looked sharp with the uniforms wearing coat and ties
Yes its 2021 and youtube decides to recommend me this treasure
The ricochet stuff was very interesting!
Very informative especially about danger of ricochets.
Back in the 80's we were issued Smith & Wesson 4 inch bull barreled .38 special model 10's with the blued finish. The ammo was the man stopping Winchester 158 gr. +P lead tipped hollow point. I had two speed loaders and two speed strips on my gun belt. This was a total of 24 rounds on my gun belt and six rounds in the chamber. A grand total of 30 rounds! Plus I had a 5 shot Smith & Wesson mod 36 blue Steele 5 shot .38 special on my ankle in a ankle holster as a backup pistol. Back in those days the revolver was king and my revolver saved my life more than once. I purchased my service revolver and I have retired the old girl to this day. Lord bless the fallen officers that have made the ultimate sacrifice who didn't make it to see this day and Lord bless the men and women of the APD, watch your six and be safe.
APD? Is that Atlanta?
Two of my most trusted are the model 10 and the J-frame.
Served during the same time frame. I replaced my service revolver with a Colt Python 4" blue finish. My ankle holster backup was a Colt detective 2", 6 shot blue finish. Still have those two today. My daughter will inherit them. Also retired and kept my department issued Glock 17 Gen 4.
Those wimpy revolvers make me laugh they should have been using modern handguns from 1970 onward it wasn't the 19th century I hate revolvers with a passion
7:33 I love how unfazed this guy is after blasting someone point blank with a shotgun
I love the torso sized mobile radios. Lol.
We've learned so much more, and it's led to better officer survival!!!!!
That guys pimp slap had me rollin.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 nah fr it looked like he said 'bitch' too but they edited it out in post production lmaoo
This is by far the best information I have ever gotten from the FBI.
Your basic Arachnid warrior isn't too smart, but you can blow off a limb and it's still 86 percent combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem, and put it down for good
Would you like to know more ?
Beautiful model 10s
Indeed, horrifying, real-life scenarios. Excellent training video.
I've never seen a liquor store clerk wearing a three-piece suit. 🤣
Dress codes were more strict back in the days. That how the cop knew that the robber had to be wearing the mandatory red plaid jacket.
El instructor de tiro es realmente un artista.
They taught us about rickorshse in police science and the Academy to. Great video.
Did they teach spelling too?
Does officer Rick O' Shea still teach there?
@@blondequijote😂
Rick's Horse?
I started in the 74 as a police cadet in Toronto and graduated to a constable in 1977 when I was issued a 38 calibre revolver along with six extra bullets that we carried in a pouch in our pockets. This video sure brings back memories of the training we received back in those years. It was almost 20 years later before they began to issue us Glock 40 calibre pistols along with two extra magazines.
Heck that radio costs the carrier about 2 mph !
The part on ricochets was particularly interesting.
Most amazed at how that Satellite u-turns @6:55
he clears that curb - simply amazing.
These videos are as relavant today as they were 50+ plus years ago.
appreciate the ricochet demonstration from revolver ocelot
Yes. Definately 70s. I see 72' and 74' Fury's. 74' Plymouth Satellite. 73' Ford LTD. etc.
I miss 60s and 70s cars.
I think those cars existed in the 60s tho man
@@freedomlover7768 Contrary to what you may believe, the 1974 Plymouth Fury did not exist in the 1960’s.
@@giannair227 lol
Don't forget the Cadilliac parked on side of street when he answered the bank robbery call
i love these videos sm
1:44 -- Lord God.... It's like watching Agent Hanlon from the Miami-Dade movie; he took his eyes off the target to focus on reloading his revolver exactly the way the trainee here did, and paid the price for it.
It's almost surreal seeing it happen in this training video, knowing what was eventually to come of these flawed defensive pistol considerations.
I seriously wouldn’t be surprised to see Paul Harrell in here!!!👍
1 of the few things that changed since I attended in 92 😮
That was the training weapon.
We carried a Beretta 92 9mm with a 357 revolver backup
I feel like this video is far more firearms training than even police officers get these days.
Car stops and Family Disputes are the two most deadly still in many areas in the U.S.. I always hated the revolver, I started carrying a Semiautomatic the day I got off probation. A lot of guys did in certain areas of the City, long before we officially went to the 9MM.
It’s a whole different situation when you can hear the bullets flying around you and adrenaline kicks in.
Amazing how relevant and proper technique has changed.
Wow a 1971 Ford Galaxy in the “60’s”
The ricochet part was interesting re exit angle. I remember a squaddie saying how they would avoid standing near walls on patrol in Northern Ireland due to the odd way the bullets would ricochet parallel
Peaky Blinders?
Fun watching this video b/c it featured my department.
Really good video, great nostalgic experience, felt like time travel to before my time.
Things sure have changed, I'd love to see the reactions to someone using the 'teabag hipfire' pose @ 11:10 at a modern range. :)
The reaction at 4:10 is also priceless.
"Dammit, I just bought that hat!"
It's even better at 4:20
Ah, the old faithful Smith and Wesson model 10.
New springs, grips, and a polish and it'll outlast my grandkids' grandkids.
The stuff about the ricochets was awesome! 😎👍
Why can't training films these days not like this.
Ah, the pre-militarization days when cops carried .38 revolvers and wore normal uniforms.... Anyway much of this is still good, viable advice today -- even hip shooting (or what with pistols we called "point shooting") is just as effective as aimed fire at close range, and significantly faster and more "natural" feeling. I myself learned the "FBI crouch" pistol stance back in the day.
Pistols were not part of the "militarization". Not even rifles were. Semi-auto pistols made revolvers obsolete for this purpose, it's a technological advancement. See: the Miami-Dade Shootout. Rifles like the AR-15 made the shotgun obsolete due to it's greater capacity, penetration, ranged effectiveness, and ability to pierce soft body armor. See: the North Hollywood Shootout. The military uses semi-auto pistols and AR-15 platform rifles because again, revolvers, battle rifles, and shotguns are obsolete for main combat use. I have one rule in my mind for this, Law Enforcement should not have access to weapons the public can't access, they should not be better armed than the people they are over. California cops should have the same 10 round mags and shitty rifle requirements as the citizens do.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 Yes I'm aware of all you're saying; that's why I mentioned the revolvers separately. Actually most departments kept revolvers long past the point of obsolescence (in the sense of semis being objectively superior in firepower, speed, and having long ironed out any reliability issues that turned police off of them in the early era).
The AR however I will disagree with, as far as having made shotguns obsolete. Shotguns are not obsolete by any stretch of the imagination, whether it's civilian, law enforcement or military you're talking about. They simply do things rifles don't/can't, and are used as the situation calls for. They have their place just as rifles do. They're arguably of more effective use (and safer as far as bystanders) in most urban environments due to their ability to utilize all manner of loads from slugs to beanbags; have immense stopping power, can serve as breaching implements, and will not overpenetrate through walls/doors etc. like rifles will. Assuming appropriate loads are used as per situational requirement of course. And note I'm speaking from a policing perspective here; obviously nobody is advocating to replace assault rifles with shotguns... Both have their place. IMO a good modern shotgun is a viable main weapon in most urban policing situations (always plus sidearm). In military use it falls naturally into a specialist role in most theaters.
Anyway re: police militarization I'm specifically talking about a conglomeration of factors that resulted in a massive transformation of most police forces from the era seen this video, to that which we've had since the 1990s or so. At that point the 'war on drugs' was ramping up and after high profile shootouts (The North Hollywood comes to mind as well) all the sudden there was huge money in police budgets... So: The change to the "SWAT" look that even most beat cops have shifted to eg; all black tactical gear and combat armor replacing standard uniforms -- and that all valued as much for it's intimidation factor as any practical use. Also the routine issuing of selectfire assault rifles and SMGs (even HE grenades depending on department and district), and the so called "tanks" (armored tactical vehicles like the Bearcat -- which mind you may as well be tanks as far as their being impervious to most small arms and being able to smash through fences, walls, houses, etc). There too, such vehicles and armaments are valued as much or more for their intimidation factor against the public than any practical use.
Then there's the change in training and tactics, which again saw a massive shift away from community focus, de-escalation, etc and again toward a military standard which comes out not just in how officers deal with criminals and violent situations, but also in how they deal with innocent people or minor issues. Now you combine that with the pronounced "Us vs. Them" mindset and adversarial approach taken to most civilian interaction, and overall cumulative effect is militarization..... The goal being intimidation by show of force; and ensuring they massively outgun and overpower any resistance the public may put up. This has the secondary effect of psychologically reinforcing the military nature and "us vs. them" mentality of police, and makes most civilians afraid to assert their rights or push back on illegal/unethical police behavior. But I digress...
I absolutely agree though that civilians should have access to the same weapons police, and indeed the military, use. And the reverse: If we're limited to magazine limits and other nonsense, the police should have to abide by the same.
The founding fathers were explicitly clear (if the 2A wasn't clear enough as is) that _the main, primary purpose of civilian gun ownership was NOT hunting or self defense or sport... But to be equally well armed to fight alongside our standing army. Or to fight effectively _*_against_*_ them if need be, and by extension to remove a tyrannical government from power._ Civilians owning military weapons was the express intent from day one, despite what the antis will say. Anyone who doubts me should start with the Federalist Papers and continue reading the rest of the founders' writings for very clear instructions and intent on gun ownership and the power/obligations of the people in this Republic.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 shotguns are still used
@@hedgeearthridge6807 slugs are worse than 223
I would prefer the officers have armor, look at newhall, those officers would’ve lived if they had armor (well most of them anyway, one was shot in the head) and they were outgunned due to their opponents having semis and the officers only having revolvers (one had a shotgun they never managed to fire before dying)
As the son of a career police officer, I find this fascinating!
What does your dad think of it? Did you show him this?
As the son of a career criminal I disagree with this video
@@legitbeans9078 To each one's own.
@@legitbeans9078 Lmao
Wow how things have changed, cops actually used to look like cops instead of occupying soldiers.
0:45 I worked close to that address back in 1985, on 17th & L nw. Great content, and good camera work for that era
Thanks so much for sharing this video.
You mean there were cops that walked around and just do traffic stops?
Yes, they were called beatcops
@@pyroparagon8945 dont they still exist in Cities? Or is that gone
@@RealBadGaming52 some cities are bringing back bicycle and walking cops I hear, but I'm not an urbanite so I haven't seen one in person.
My grandpa was a cop from mid60s to mid90s. He started out being issued a Revolver with only 12 extra rounds in cartridge loops. That's all he needed during the 60s. Then he was issued a speed loader during the late70s. Just one more stupid belt-gadget he thought of the speed loader. Then crack cocaine hit the streets. His new police chief mandated all uniformed cops who carried wheel guns to carry a triple pouch speed loader rig. My grandpa was finally convinced. He now sported a 357 mag revolver, 3 speed loaders, 6 rounds in beltloops and a 357 mag Snubbie for backup. Then a couple of idiots in California shotup downtown los Angeles during the mid 90s. My grandpa was dragged kicking and screaming into semiautomatics. The Dept swiped away his wheel gun and accessories and issued him a Glock 9 mil with 2 extra 17 round mags. He then decided his white hair replaced his brown hair and he turned in his retirement papers. He told us he always thought society would better itself eventually. But to his horror, it got worse and more violent.
cant change human nature.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 I can wholeheartedly agree. Then again, we are just glorified animals with all the other critters on this planet.
Wait, hiding behind a car door doesn’t protect you like they show on TV? No way.
Kinda like thin kitchen tables flipped on the side being enough.
Depends. Some doors may be strenghten with balistic plates, but it is optional and rare.
So yes, TV (what a suprise) is fiction, but it may happen that doors of a police car are stronger than of a regular car.
@@Sig509No, it's the plates. I'm sure you can tell what time it is if you have to buy your own vest
Love those old S&W Model 10s.
The TH-cam recommendations are just great 😅