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On the control box, he was demonstrating there were only three air lines, if my eyes saw that correctly. Or is there a way to use it for four passengers?
@@reyesben your eyes don’t deceive you, the O2D2 comes in one and two place (for two people) we also have a built in option for 4 users, using two 2 place units and ideally two cylinders is another option to accommodate 4 people
I have the same MH system and it was a great investment. I live in Switzerland and many peaks of the Alps easily reach 12k and more, the highest peak is close to 16k. I'm not overflying the highest ones, but it does make a huge difference to be able to cruise at FL125 - 135 with oxygen and not having to worry about hypoxia or being less concentrated during the flight. Oh and, congrats for 100k!
may I ask where you got the MH system and how you fill up the oxygen tank? I'm also from Switzerland (LSZF based) and currently looking into the oxygen topic
@@michi795 Sure, I've found a used aluminium tank on the AOPA Switzerland marketplace, then decided to go for it. The O2D2 is available at Kniebrett. I fill the tank for 20.- "is Kafikässeli" at a gliding club in the east. I'm pretty sure there must be someone with a huge Oxygen bottle at LSZF. Otherwise MFGZ or other maintenances may help you out, too, but it'll be probably closer to 100...
I have the portable O2 option in my Cirrus SR22, and I check O2 sats often. General rule for me is anything over 10k', nights over 7k' (and monitor closely), and the last 30 minutes of ANY flight over 3 hours. I'd add any time you are not taking off feeling 100% or during flight and just feel "off". Like you said. Game changer. Feel soo much better, so much more alert and safer. O2 refills are CHEAPER than deductibles, airplane cleaning, or funerals. and yes, LOVE the Mountain High O2D2. Product is solid and the company, support, and people ROCK!
You look so relieved when they said they were feeling better with O2. Seemed like there were ready to call off any long trips if they had any more bad experiences. Knowing you’ll be able to continue doing this with your family must have felt amazing.
Yeah I was really starting to feel badly about kind of dragging them around on trips but this really seems to have helped them feel good about flying again.
I'm really glad this oxygen system is helping. I remember watching that video when you guys flew near the fires and I could feel the stress, even from the comfort of my own home. Stoked that your family will/has rediscovered their happiness for flying to share with you.
Eric, I’m fortunate I have onboard O2 and use it on every flight above 5,000. Not necessary but with built in Mountain High system and the O2 pulse ox system why not. I don’t care how long I fly and usually between 16,000 to 17,500 altitude I feel much more rested upon arrival. That is a true safety enhancement. O2 is highly recommended no matter what brand. Another good presentation thanks
Agreed! I went with the O2D2 because I knew it would use so little O2 that I would be encouraged to use it almost all the time without worry of running out or how much it costs to use. It's really economical after the initial investment and encourages more frequent use. (also why I went with a big tank)
I frequently visit a family cabin at 9,800 ft. some people have a hard time with altitude sickness. a O2 concentrator may be something to purchase to keep in the cabin for those who show the same symptoms. great to see this made such a drastic improvement with the family.
A couple of important considerations that should be mentioned: (1) duration is just as important as altitude. Doing a short hop over a mountain ridge at 14,000 is easier on most people than flying for hours at 10,000. And (2) your home base altitude matters -- I live at 5,000 feet, and for me flying at 10,000 for long periods of time does not really bother me at all. I can even ski all day at those altitudes with minimal impact. However, if I lived at sea level I know I would not do as well hanging out 10,000 for hours on end.
We have O2 in our Navajo and use it regularly where we fly as we are often up over 12k to clear mountains. We usually begin with it on the ground then adjust for altitude along the way (our home airport is at 6300 ft). Monitor levels along the way to confirm your basically normal O2 wise. During and at the end of each flight you feel alert and fresh. Filling the O2 tank from time to time is immaterial cost wise in the spectrum of one’s overall aviation costs. That MH system looks interesting, we have those canulas and love them. Thanks for sharing!
I’m over here considering one of these the whole time, then I remember I fly a 180. 🙃 Great video, only wish I could get my footage to look as good as your’s. One can dream.
We still see benefit from the O2 at 8000 feet for the girls. By the way I have a whole series of videos on my Patreon about GoPro settings and mounts and post production for aviation videos. I think there are currently 7 or 8 parts and I’m adding every week or two. :)
Yes! Im so happy that this helps getting the Family in the Airplane :D Also means more fun Trips like the one where you guys went paragliding. That one was my Favorit so far :)
Fully agree! I am using the MH system for some years now. It makes the big difference in alpine flying here in Switzerland as well as on tour all over Europe; even at (typically) FL 65 or 75 I am remarkably better concentrated during longer flights and arrive more relaxed.
Kids in the back on smartphones from takeoff to touchdown shows that it's still a "are we there yet" family trip even tho it looks 100x cooler than anything I got while I was a kid...
I ran out of O2 on a trip from Idaho to OshKosh a few years ago. I bought a Mountain High system at KOSH and used about 1/3 the oxygen on the trip home.
HAHA, Colorado Native. Plenty of people hike up the numerous "14ers" in our state. Peaks at >14,000 ft. My knees are the limiting factor, O2 is not an issue and most will take half an hour at the peaks to enjoy the view and get pictures. US Submarines maintain O2 concentration pretty low, sometimes we would get headaches and do and O2 Bleed.
It is a true and tried system. We use it in gliders for decades. This year at FL175 in a mountain wave above Gran Paradiso in Italy. Highly recommend it! Their customer service is also top notch. THX for the video!
Outstanding topic Eric. My T210 has built-in and I regularly use oxygen above 8K on cross country trips. We arrive refreshed and ready to enjoy the destination. Thanks for posting.
Years ago I owned a Piper Turbo Saratoga and routinely cruised at 10,500 or 11,500 feet. I noticed that on longer trips I would end up with a slight headache which I attributed to the constant noise for several hours. Then I read an article in Flying magazine which mentioned that one of the early signs of hypoxia was a headache. So the I started routinely to use oxygen on almost all flights. And, surprise, no more headaches. I was amazed at the difference even minimal oxygen use made.
Thanks for sharing your experience with it. I think it's great for others to know how it can help even down low when it wouldnt be obvious that it's needed. :)
I have recently gotten an oxygen system for my 182T and I decided on using a mask instead of the cannula. It allows me to fly into Aspen and Telluride now where I was afraid of becoming hypoxic and losing situational awareness before
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey keep in mind it is a subjective comfort item. I recommend buying from a store that allows for returns Incase it is not as comfortable for you as it was for me
Great video Eric. I just called Mtn High...purchase of $1,850 on two O2D1's...independent system...my wife likes her own in the back...your video sold me....the company ought to sponsor you!
Had he not said that this is not sponsored I would have said he’s getting paid to say this. Just goes to show what a good product it must be. Also, his actual sponsor ad was interesting as well, I usually just fast forward through those but his was actually interesting. I guess that’s what happens when the channel is run by a filmmaker. Great work!
Good to see you did this. Like you said it's just a must even for GA aviation, especially when operating into higher elevation airports. Just a little bit of lower oxy levels can impair a pilot quickly, especially when you are already tired for whatever reason. We (widebody airline pilot) always use bit of oxygen before starting our descent and b4 approach into high elevation airports, it makes you alert and gives you a boost being on approach and landing at for example Quito or Bogota airports. Keep it up, great channel.
when I first started flying the turbo bonanza it seemed kind of stupid. But I quickly realized how not big of a deal it was wearing the cannula and now 90% of our flights our open to altitudes as high as 18k where there is less traffic and may allow us to go more direct in smoother air! The other 10% we have some kind of pax that doesn't want to wear a cannula, like a dog.
Glad it’s helped you out too. Would be good to put some more info about O2 systems in a private pilot course. How o2 can help low down and how simple and easy the systems are.
I feel the hangover effects every time flying 10-12k on the hauls from Virginia to Florida in Turbo Saratoga. I read somewhere to also be sure drinking plenty fluids, the dry air/low humidity will cause you to dehydrate much quicker.
Thanks for the video. Very informative and good to know. In England don’t use O2 as mostly don’t get above 4K. Good to see the difference it made for your family 😀👍🛩
Thanks for sharing your experience with this O2 system. I REALLY like the headset attachment for the breather & the auto dispensing features. It'll make life easier for my pax. Will def look into this unit. 👌
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I know how important is to see the family happy especially when you do everything for them. Glad to hear that the girls are happy to fly again, I have two girls as well and they mean the world to me. I bought a big O2 tank from Airgas to service customer's Aircraft and I use it for myself as well when I'm hangover or light headache :). O2 is great. Great videos!
My wife had open heart surgery last year and I have worried about and avoided higher altitudes. I recently purchased an aerox system (still waiting for delivery) and I’m looking forward to seeing how this will make her feel more comfortable. Also, the added benefit of not feeling that fatigue we all have experienced after longer flights. Thank you for the video and I’m glad you and the family have a new lease on enjoyable aviation together!
@socal Flying Monkey glad it worked for you and your family! Keep rocking the sky!! I havent use any oxygen, i usualy fly at 6500-7500 here in Guatemala
I’m adding oxygen now seems like a game changer; I’ve noticed after landing and crushing around at 8k to 10k that while everyone seems fine we are usually exhausted after about three hours of flying. I think this could really help.
While the FAA mandates oxygen for flights of 30 minutes above 12,500ft, Transport Canada requires it at 10,000ft if flying for more than 30 minutes. Your previous video shows the probable need at a lower altitude than FAA mandates (not necessarily for everyone).
Fantastic that you were able to figure out that oxygen was the issue. Would have never occurred to me if you’re staying lower than the FAA recommendations but obviously each person is different and responds differently to the altitude.
Following your suggestion, I read up on the Mntn High O2D2 and just bought a system today. Can't wait to have it aboard, thank you for the suggestion, nice job.
Or just a thought.... reduce your altitude to a reasonable altitude just because your aircraft can accomplish it doesn't mean you need to do it sure you get better fuel economy because of reduced drag but at the cost of being required to make a purchase to achieve it , maintain it , and deal with something stuck in your nose all trip vs paying a little more on fuel and fly where everyone is comfortable and where you can better take in the landmarks and views along the way the only reason i would fly at that altitude is if i was flying over open ocean or large undeveloped land such as deserts or canyons
Do you have a good CO detector? That could effect O2 uptake if you have a small leak. The most common symptoms of CO poisoning are headache, dizziness, weakness, upset stomach, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion.
Good call out. Especially if running cabin heat with passengers who may be likely to get cold. I personally don't like turning heat on due to CO risk, even with an alarm, so I make my girls bring jackets, hats, and gloves. I also personally like it very cold. :)
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey one other thing is your door seals. Not sure what kind you have but my dad had the inflatable ones on his ‘77 Lance and it made a huge difference in cabin noise and temperature.
Nice video. I’d be curious to try O2 myself above around 7,500 feet. I’ve experienced various levels of hypoxia between 8,000-11,500 and know oxygen would be really useful.
Been looking at the MH systems for a while. My son and I didn't have any trouble at 10,000 for 5 hours on the way back from Illinois last year with pulse/ox around 88-90. But adding oxygen would certainly make it a better flight. Certainly a good safety enhancement. Your video shows the system and features well. How are yours powered? Batteries or USB? Will be on the list for the plane fund this year.
It's worked wonders for us. We talk about how it has changed the game every single time we all fly together and lament we didnt do it sooner! Tell Mountain High you saw this video is you chat with them! Theyre great.
Happy it worked great for your family, nothing worse then the PIC loving flying and having the family bummed out. Spent 22 years in Bend, fun area to visit.
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey We always lived at 3k ft so my kids were a bit more used to some ALT, the boom style sure beats hoses everywhere. I trust you knew Mtn High was based in Redmond, 30 miles N of KBDN. Not sure where you are in So Cal but we are taking our JerProp on a 5,500 mile trip around the country, last stop is KLBG to see friends. We live now in Coeur d'alene, ID. Would be fun to grab a drink when we are in town. About 6 weeks from now.
Love the channel. I too have experienced a happier family flying with me now that they are on O2. I feel more alert at the end of the longer flights when I use the O2 as well. Always enjoy your videos, and seeing you and your family in Sedona!
Great user video. Two ideas: please make sure cabin CO is not an issue. CO exposure symptoms include many of the same as hypoxia. Also, enlist in high altitude training including a hypobaric or altitude ‘tent’ like offered by FAA. The training is good for everyone, not just crew.
I like the idea, but holy crap that airplane tax, worse than the Australian tax we get where everything is so much more expensive. It was looking at 8k usd, which here would be closer to 12 or 14k aud. For a basic oxygen system. For comparison, we just had to get an on demand o2 system medical grade for my mother in law. That was under $1500aud. I realise these are a niche but ouch.
Motion sickness can also be triggered by looking down at phones or reading, sounds like this did make an improvement. Can you give an update in 3-4 trips from now?
I can’t read a book or play a video when I’m riding a car, but somehow, the screens on airliner seats don’t bother me at all! However, of course, those are pressurized cabins. But that doesn’t explain why I have the sick-while reading problem with ground transport where O2 makes no difference whatsoever. I guess I’m just strange. 😂
@@djijspeakerguy4628could be because we (I) are often looking down to read a book or look at phone. The head down position (esp repeated head up and down) is a known cause for pilot disorientation. I think that is also why factory-mounted screen in cars work well (as they are usually at eye level).
Great video. On a related topic, what do you typically file for KTAS and what's your average fuel burn at that KTAS? Thanks for sharing your experiences .... stay coordinated!
133 KTAS and in cruise lean of peak burn 12.3 gph or so... so average maybe 14 gph between climb and cruise on a multi hour trip. can also do about 15-16 gph rich of peak for 140 KTAS
god bless your family and your lovely kids, please i really want to know, if i have a long flight lets say 7 hours flight on an airplane from new york to london how much oxygen inside the airplane at 35000 to 40000 feet at high altitude will i have the same symptoms that you guys had before using oxygen device?? And what is the difference when it comes to feeling symptoms in your own plane and the commercial airplane?
Those airplanes have pressurized cabins. Which means the air inside the cabin is like the air around 8000’ I believe (it may be 6000’). If the cabin were to have a loss of pressure you would only have a couple minutes to put on the oxygen mask before you’d pass out.
Good video, Eric. But I prefer manual adjusting the O2 flow since my home drome is at 6800 MSL and I live at 6400 MSL so my need for supplemental O2 at high altitude is probably significantly different than yours. Therefore, I would not use the "automatic" system but I do use the Pulse Oximeter whenever I am above 12.5 for more than 30 minutes.
You seem to have been at a lower altitude in this trip vs. the last. Have you tried it up around 12,000 or higher? If it works out well you can probably start taking advantage of better winds. Glad they didn't feel sick!
Great vid as always. That's a great system, and we are fortunate to have factory onboard O2 installed in our TR182. Been up to 20,000 feet with it using Precise Flight mic masks or below 18,000 using our Precise Flight nasal boom cannula's. So worth having some O2 onboard. We currently free flow our O2 but we are looking to invest in the Precise Flight on-demand systems that gives you the "puff" as needed and to conserve our tank. Definitely a game changer for us since we like to fly in the high teens on our cross country trips.
It would be nice to have built in O2! Mountain high has pulse demand boxes that work with built in systems. They have some adapters for those systems I think.
I thin kit's mostly dependent on the tank. The rest barely weights anything. There are various tank sizes and I think all the specs are on the mountain high site.
I'm *so* happy that the oxygen system has been such a success! That's absolutely wonderful. I'm also really glad you like the O2D2. I've certainly been extremely satisfied with mine. I'm fortunate that I don't tend to have any oxygen-related issues until I get above 10k, so I don't carry it in the plane all the time, but if I'm taking a trip where I may have to get up high, I put it in. Where'd you put your tank? I've considered taking the next step and installing a built-in system in my plane (the same system that the factory sells can be installed under an STC), but unfortunately the tank goes into the tailcone, and normally-aspirated planes like mine end up a bit tail-heavy without the extra weight of the turbo engine up front. If I could come up with a way to easily install and remove the tank without fussing with the straps on the MH case, that'd probably be a good solution.
You’re VFR only and you flew over an area of widespread IFR and couldn’t get lower due to the smoke? Was that not something you could have checked before departure? Like some weather charts or anything to see how widespread that area of IMC was?
I could have descended IFR. I am instrument rated and was higher than the MEA for the area. I just didnt want to descend through the smoke and make things worse. There are smoke maps that I have since discovered but they are not part of the normal aviation weather brief. Sometimes they will issue an airmet for mountain obscuration due to smoke but ive found smoke maps that are better.
With family you can reuse "your" canular but do you have extra's for quests? And would you let them leave with it or can you sanitize it so it can be used by someone else, thus saving $$ ?
we have extra cannulas (not the boom style but regular ones). You can wipe with an alcohol wipe I suppose. I wouldnt worry too much about it after wiping it with alcohol unless the next person is using it immediately.
it depends how sensitive the people who want to use it are to low O2 levels. FOr really short flights like that I dont think my girls use it but anything loger than 45 minutes they seem to want it
Mountain High have a good system but their O2D2 are so pricey! I looked at their chart based on 15,000 feet pressure altitude was giving lower duration on the same tank size than AEROX System. What’s the total weight on the system?
@Shawn - As a 1,000-hour glider pilot who flies at-altitude a lot and has used both systems: Mountain High gives a *much* better duration for the same tank size & pressure! Aerox is very "optimistic" with their claimed durations, whereas Mountain High is very conservative. Physiology and O2 demand varies from person to person, and they tend to err on the side of modesty and caution with their claims. Flying between 15k and 18k MSL in the summer, I regularly get 20% more hours out of my "E" sized O2 cylinder than the Mountain High chart claims.
@@noelwade that’s correct. Both system provide an average charts and durations; and definitely varies based on the individual consumption of the O2. I simply compared both charts for the same tank size.
I got the 4 person O2D2 system with the 48 cu ft tank and 4 boom cannulas. I recommend also giving them a call because they can make sure you getthe right length tubing for your plane and O2D2 box positions. I have a more detailed look at my setup - email me at flyingmonkeysocal@gmail.com and I'll send you a link.
I wonder if the girls and your wife were experiencing this more because they are anemic. A lot of women especially young women are anemic from menstruation. Younger women can have very heavy periods which often make them anemic. Less blood cells = less oxygen can be carried in your blood in the first place. Good on you all for figuring out the problem! Maybe another aspect to check out with the family doctor.
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On the control box, he was demonstrating there were only three air lines, if my eyes saw that correctly. Or is there a way to use it for four passengers?
@@reyesben your eyes don’t deceive you, the O2D2 comes in one and two place (for two people) we also have a built in option for 4 users, using two 2 place units and ideally two cylinders is another option to accommodate 4 people
@3:58 Seems like we found ourselves a fibber. What sort of discount was provided?
30% off as an after the fact thank you for his good publicity@@thengine7
I have the same MH system and it was a great investment. I live in Switzerland and many peaks of the Alps easily reach 12k and more, the highest peak is close to 16k. I'm not overflying the highest ones, but it does make a huge difference to be able to cruise at FL125 - 135 with oxygen and not having to worry about hypoxia or being less concentrated during the flight. Oh and, congrats for 100k!
I bet flying in Switzerland is amazing! Thanks for the encouragement.
may I ask where you got the MH system and how you fill up the oxygen tank? I'm also from Switzerland (LSZF based) and currently looking into the oxygen topic
@@michi795 Sure, I've found a used aluminium tank on the AOPA Switzerland marketplace, then decided to go for it. The O2D2 is available at Kniebrett. I fill the tank for 20.- "is Kafikässeli" at a gliding club in the east. I'm pretty sure there must be someone with a huge Oxygen bottle at LSZF. Otherwise MFGZ or other maintenances may help you out, too, but it'll be probably closer to 100...
@@eMMjunaYschion thanks, so I'll go look for a Kaffikässeli!
I have the portable O2 option in my Cirrus SR22, and I check O2 sats often. General rule for me is anything over 10k', nights over 7k' (and monitor closely), and the last 30 minutes of ANY flight over 3 hours. I'd add any time you are not taking off feeling 100% or during flight and just feel "off". Like you said. Game changer. Feel soo much better, so much more alert and safer. O2 refills are CHEAPER than deductibles, airplane cleaning, or funerals. and yes, LOVE the Mountain High O2D2. Product is solid and the company, support, and people ROCK!
Good tips for when to use it. Thanks for sharing that!
You look so relieved when they said they were feeling better with O2. Seemed like there were ready to call off any long trips if they had any more bad experiences. Knowing you’ll be able to continue doing this with your family must have felt amazing.
Yeah I was really starting to feel badly about kind of dragging them around on trips but this really seems to have helped them feel good about flying again.
I'm really glad this oxygen system is helping. I remember watching that video when you guys flew near the fires and I could feel the stress, even from the comfort of my own home. Stoked that your family will/has rediscovered their happiness for flying to share with you.
Thanks! We're also excited about everyone feeling better!
Eric,
I’m fortunate I have onboard O2 and use it on every flight above 5,000. Not necessary but with built in Mountain High system and the O2 pulse ox system why not. I don’t care how long I fly and usually between 16,000 to 17,500 altitude I feel much more rested upon arrival. That is a true safety enhancement. O2 is highly recommended no matter what brand.
Another good presentation thanks
Agreed! I went with the O2D2 because I knew it would use so little O2 that I would be encouraged to use it almost all the time without worry of running out or how much it costs to use. It's really economical after the initial investment and encourages more frequent use. (also why I went with a big tank)
I frequently visit a family cabin at 9,800 ft. some people have a hard time with altitude sickness. a O2 concentrator may be something to purchase to keep in the cabin for those who show the same symptoms.
great to see this made such a drastic improvement with the family.
A couple of important considerations that should be mentioned: (1) duration is just as important as altitude. Doing a short hop over a mountain ridge at 14,000 is easier on most people than flying for hours at 10,000. And (2) your home base altitude matters -- I live at 5,000 feet, and for me flying at 10,000 for long periods of time does not really bother me at all. I can even ski all day at those altitudes with minimal impact. However, if I lived at sea level I know I would not do as well hanging out 10,000 for hours on end.
We have O2 in our Navajo and use it regularly where we fly as we are often up over 12k to clear mountains. We usually begin with it on the ground then adjust for altitude along the way (our home airport is at 6300 ft). Monitor levels along the way to confirm your basically normal O2 wise. During and at the end of each flight you feel alert and fresh. Filling the O2 tank from time to time is immaterial cost wise in the spectrum of one’s overall aviation costs. That MH system looks interesting, we have those canulas and love them. Thanks for sharing!
I’m over here considering one of these the whole time, then I remember I fly a 180. 🙃 Great video, only wish I could get my footage to look as good as your’s. One can dream.
We still see benefit from the O2 at 8000 feet for the girls. By the way I have a whole series of videos on my Patreon about GoPro settings and mounts and post production for aviation videos. I think there are currently 7 or 8 parts and I’m adding every week or two. :)
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey oh man, 🙏 thank you! I’m a video production guy as well but you easily take the cake for quality in all of aviation TH-cam.
Yes! Im so happy that this helps getting the Family in the Airplane :D Also means more fun Trips like the one where you guys went paragliding. That one was my Favorit so far :)
glad you enjoyed that one! yes more adventures.. :)
Fully agree! I am using the MH system for some years now. It makes the big difference in alpine flying here in Switzerland as well as on tour all over Europe; even at (typically) FL 65 or 75 I am remarkably better concentrated during longer flights and arrive more relaxed.
Kids in the back on smartphones from takeoff to touchdown shows that it's still a "are we there yet" family trip even tho it looks 100x cooler than anything I got while I was a kid...
it definitely is
I ran out of O2 on a trip from Idaho to OshKosh a few years ago. I bought a Mountain High system at KOSH and used
about 1/3 the oxygen on the trip home.
nice!!! they really barely sip the O2.
HAHA, Colorado Native. Plenty of people hike up the numerous "14ers" in our state. Peaks at >14,000 ft. My knees are the limiting factor, O2 is not an issue and most will take half an hour at the peaks to enjoy the view and get pictures. US Submarines maintain O2 concentration pretty low, sometimes we would get headaches and do and O2 Bleed.
It is a true and tried system. We use it in gliders for decades. This year at FL175 in a mountain wave above Gran Paradiso in Italy. Highly recommend it! Their customer service is also top notch. THX for the video!
Thanks for sharing your experience. Gliders in Italy sounds fun!!!
Outstanding topic Eric. My T210 has built-in and I regularly use oxygen above 8K on cross country trips. We arrive refreshed and ready to enjoy the destination. Thanks for posting.
Built in oxygen would be so nice! I rigged up the portable system pretty nicely in there. Need to do a quick video showing the setup.
Awesome. So glad this worked for you. Thanks for sharing!
You're welcome!
Years ago I owned a Piper Turbo Saratoga and routinely cruised at 10,500 or 11,500 feet. I noticed that on longer trips I would end up with a slight headache which I attributed to the constant noise for several hours. Then I read an article in Flying magazine which mentioned that one of the early signs of hypoxia was a headache. So the I started routinely to use oxygen on almost all flights. And, surprise, no more headaches. I was amazed at the difference even minimal oxygen use made.
Thanks for sharing your experience with it. I think it's great for others to know how it can help even down low when it wouldnt be obvious that it's needed. :)
I have recently gotten an oxygen system for my 182T and I decided on using a mask instead of the cannula. It allows me to fly into Aspen and Telluride now where I was afraid of becoming hypoxic and losing situational awareness before
That’s a good tip! Thanks.
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey keep in mind it is a subjective comfort item. I recommend buying from a store that allows for returns Incase it is not as comfortable for you as it was for me
Great video Eric. I just called Mtn High...purchase of $1,850 on two O2D1's...independent system...my wife likes her own in the back...your video sold me....the company ought to sponsor you!
Had he not said that this is not sponsored I would have said he’s getting paid to say this. Just goes to show what a good product it must be. Also, his actual sponsor ad was interesting as well, I usually just fast forward through those but his was actually interesting. I guess that’s what happens when the channel is run by a filmmaker. Great work!
Make sure you mention the video. It always helps! Thanks!!!!
Good to see you did this. Like you said it's just a must even for GA aviation, especially when operating into higher elevation airports. Just a little bit of lower oxy levels can impair a pilot quickly, especially when you are already tired for whatever reason.
We (widebody airline pilot) always use bit of oxygen before starting our descent and b4 approach into high elevation airports, it makes you alert and gives you a boost being on approach and landing at for example Quito or Bogota airports.
Keep it up, great channel.
Thanks for the encouragement! Good to know you also use it to get a quick boost as well!
when I first started flying the turbo bonanza it seemed kind of stupid. But I quickly realized how not big of a deal it was wearing the cannula and now 90% of our flights our open to altitudes as high as 18k where there is less traffic and may allow us to go more direct in smoother air! The other 10% we have some kind of pax that doesn't want to wear a cannula, like a dog.
Glad it’s helped you out too. Would be good to put some more info about O2 systems in a private pilot course. How o2 can help low down and how simple and easy the systems are.
You have a lovely family. I'm so glad you found something to help them enjoy those beautiful flights. Hope they know how lucky they are!
thanks! it has made such a huge difference. we just flew to mexico and back. about 10 hours roundtrip and everyone felt great after the flights.
I feel the hangover effects every time flying 10-12k on the hauls from Virginia to Florida in Turbo Saratoga. I read somewhere to also be sure drinking plenty fluids, the dry air/low humidity will cause you to dehydrate much quicker.
That’s a good tip. I think it’s easy to get dehydrated up high on longer flights.
Thanks for the video. Very informative and good to know. In England don’t use O2 as mostly don’t get above 4K. Good to see the difference it made for your family 😀👍🛩
03:38 Come on get your gets off there smart phone. This is one of the reson your kids had motion sickness.
Thanks for sharing your experience with this O2 system. I REALLY like the headset attachment for the breather & the auto dispensing features. It'll make life easier for my pax. Will def look into this unit. 👌
Yeah the boom cannula is really clever. Tell them you saw this video. :)
I recommend look at the option of upgrade to a king air 90 hopefully a F90 , you would never look back and some king air have a great price tag and low maintenance cost 👍🏻
I know how important is to see the family happy especially when you do everything for them. Glad to hear that the girls are happy to fly again, I have two girls as well and they mean the world to me. I bought a big O2 tank from Airgas to service customer's Aircraft and I use it for myself as well when I'm hangover or light headache :). O2 is great. Great videos!
Thank you! It's definitely more fun when they're having fun too!
My wife had open heart surgery last year and I have worried about and avoided higher altitudes. I recently purchased an aerox system (still waiting for delivery) and I’m looking forward to seeing how this will make her feel more comfortable. Also, the added benefit of not feeling that fatigue we all have experienced after longer flights. Thank you for the video and I’m glad you and the family have a new lease on enjoyable aviation together!
I hope the O2 helps out and I hope her recovery is going well!
@socal Flying Monkey glad it worked for you and your family! Keep rocking the sky!! I havent use any oxygen, i usualy fly at 6500-7500 here in Guatemala
I’m adding oxygen now seems like a game changer; I’ve noticed after landing and crushing around at 8k to 10k that while everyone seems fine we are usually exhausted after about three hours of flying. I think this could really help.
I hope it helps you like it did for us. Please keep me posted on the progress!
While the FAA mandates oxygen for flights of 30 minutes above 12,500ft, Transport Canada requires it at 10,000ft if flying for more than 30 minutes. Your previous video shows the probable need at a lower altitude than FAA mandates (not necessarily for everyone).
It's an interesting difference for sure (and worth noting!)
Fantastic that you were able to figure out that oxygen was the issue. Would have never occurred to me if you’re staying lower than the FAA recommendations but obviously each person is different and responds differently to the altitude.
me too...until the smoke incident that got me thinking since we were at 11k. It took 6 years for it to dawn on me. haha.
Following your suggestion, I read up on the Mntn High O2D2 and just bought a system today. Can't wait to have it aboard, thank you for the suggestion, nice job.
That’s great!! Hope you get good use out of it! If you let them know you saw the video it always helps. :)
Or just a thought.... reduce your altitude to a reasonable altitude just because your aircraft can accomplish it doesn't mean you need to do it
sure you get better fuel economy because of reduced drag but at the cost of being required to make a purchase to achieve it , maintain it , and deal with something stuck in your nose all trip vs paying a little more on fuel and fly where everyone is comfortable and where you can better take in the landmarks and views along the way
the only reason i would fly at that altitude is if i was flying over open ocean or large undeveloped land such as deserts or canyons
Do you have a good CO detector? That could effect O2 uptake if you have a small leak. The most common symptoms of CO poisoning are headache, dizziness, weakness, upset stomach, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion.
Good call out. Especially if running cabin heat with passengers who may be likely to get cold. I personally don't like turning heat on due to CO risk, even with an alarm, so I make my girls bring jackets, hats, and gloves. I also personally like it very cold. :)
Yes we have a digital CO detector in the plane. Definitely a good tip!
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey one other thing is your door seals. Not sure what kind you have but my dad had the inflatable ones on his ‘77 Lance and it made a huge difference in cabin noise and temperature.
Nice video. I’d be curious to try O2 myself above around 7,500 feet. I’ve experienced various levels of hypoxia between 8,000-11,500 and know oxygen would be really useful.
I was surprised at how much it helped everyone
Been looking at the MH systems for a while. My son and I didn't have any trouble at 10,000 for 5 hours on the way back from Illinois last year with pulse/ox around 88-90. But adding oxygen would certainly make it a better flight. Certainly a good safety enhancement. Your video shows the system and features well. How are yours powered? Batteries or USB? Will be on the list for the plane fund this year.
The O2D2 is powered by batteries. They are supposed to last a very long time. I'll find out over the next year I guess. And always carry spares too.
The boom canulas are way better than those huge silicone canulas with all the crazy tubing! Great review!
I like them too. Thanks!!!
Great info and presentation. Thank you. I’m going to look into this system.
It's worked wonders for us. We talk about how it has changed the game every single time we all fly together and lament we didnt do it sooner! Tell Mountain High you saw this video is you chat with them! Theyre great.
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey will do !! just bought a C182 and want to go higher ! Safe travels.
I might suggest a check of your heater / exhaust system and ensure no carbon monoxide leaks which could've contributed to the feeling of nausea.
We have a digital CO detector in the plane. I am fairly confident there is no CO in the cabin. But that’s a good tip for sure!
Given all the other costs of flying, CO monitors are cheap enough that there’s no reason not to use them given the risks.
Happy it worked great for your family, nothing worse then the PIC loving flying and having the family bummed out. Spent 22 years in Bend, fun area to visit.
Yeah it’s more fun when everyone is enjoying it that’s for sure. :) we loved Bend.
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey We always lived at 3k ft so my kids were a bit more used to some ALT, the boom style sure beats hoses everywhere. I trust you knew Mtn High was based in Redmond, 30 miles N of KBDN. Not sure where you are in So Cal but we are taking our JerProp on a 5,500 mile trip around the country, last stop is KLBG to see friends. We live now in Coeur d'alene, ID. Would be fun to grab a drink when we are in town. About 6 weeks from now.
Excellent. Had similar issues with my wife and since I got the oxygen no problems. I am glad it worked out.
Glad it helped you all too!
Love the channel. I too have experienced a happier family flying with me now that they are on O2. I feel more alert at the end of the longer flights when I use the O2 as well. Always enjoy your videos, and seeing you and your family in Sedona!
Glad O2 has helped you as well. Thanks for the supportive comment!
I may not have my own plane (yet), I’m getting one anyways. Just kidding. I love seeing your family traveling with you!
You never know when youre gonna need a hit of oxygen. Haha
Great user video. Two ideas: please make sure cabin CO is not an issue. CO exposure symptoms include many of the same as hypoxia. Also, enlist in high altitude training including a hypobaric or altitude ‘tent’ like offered by FAA. The training is good for everyone, not just crew.
Yes I have a digital CO meter
Nuyna, but I'll still want to know.
Total spent on everything to restore this plane plus intial purchase?
I like the idea, but holy crap that airplane tax, worse than the Australian tax we get where everything is so much more expensive. It was looking at 8k usd, which here would be closer to 12 or 14k aud. For a basic oxygen system. For comparison, we just had to get an on demand o2 system medical grade for my mother in law. That was under $1500aud. I realise these are a niche but ouch.
Love Mountain High stuff. Works great!!!
I love my Mountain High system
Looks like a fantastic system! Thanks for posting.
That’s awesome that everyone felt great after a flight with the oxygen.
Thanks! It's been awesome for them
Motion sickness can also be triggered by looking down at phones or reading, sounds like this did make an improvement. Can you give an update in 3-4 trips from now?
They pretty much look at their phones the whole time. Haha. Will do!
I can’t read a book or play a video when I’m riding a car, but somehow, the screens on airliner seats don’t bother me at all! However, of course, those are pressurized cabins. But that doesn’t explain why I have the sick-while reading problem with ground transport where O2 makes no difference whatsoever. I guess I’m just strange. 😂
@@djijspeakerguy4628could be because we (I) are often looking down to read a book or look at phone. The head down position (esp repeated head up and down) is a known cause for pilot disorientation. I think that is also why factory-mounted screen in cars work well (as they are usually at eye level).
Yall are pretty cool. Working my way up to being as cool as you. Just bought a cherokee 140. A cherokee 6 is my next goal.
I am so glad you have your priorities in check - hope you got some great bike rides in at Sedona. Hehe
haha. well yeah it was amazing.
Great video. On a related topic, what do you typically file for KTAS and what's your average fuel burn at that KTAS? Thanks for sharing your experiences .... stay coordinated!
133 KTAS and in cruise lean of peak burn 12.3 gph or so... so average maybe 14 gph between climb and cruise on a multi hour trip. can also do about 15-16 gph rich of peak for 140 KTAS
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey I'm looking at a "big six" to purchase and appreciate your info for "real world" performance.
god bless your family and your lovely kids, please i really want to know, if i have a long flight lets say 7 hours flight on an airplane from new york to london how much oxygen inside the airplane at 35000 to 40000 feet at high altitude will i have the same symptoms that you guys had before using oxygen device?? And what is the difference when it comes to feeling symptoms in your own plane and the commercial airplane?
Those airplanes have pressurized cabins. Which means the air inside the cabin is like the air around 8000’ I believe (it may be 6000’). If the cabin were to have a loss of pressure you would only have a couple minutes to put on the oxygen mask before you’d pass out.
Glad the system helps your family have a more enjoyable time flying! What is clipped on your hat occasionally?
Its a camera. Insta360 Go2.
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey that's what I kind of figured, cool thanks!
Good video, Eric. But I prefer manual adjusting the O2 flow since my home drome is at 6800 MSL and I live at 6400 MSL so my need for supplemental O2 at high altitude is probably significantly different than yours. Therefore, I would not use the "automatic" system but I do use the Pulse Oximeter whenever I am above 12.5 for more than 30 minutes.
That makes sense. I like to check in with the pulse ox every so often - espeically because sometimes it gets boring on long flights. HAHA
You seem to have been at a lower altitude in this trip vs. the last. Have you tried it up around 12,000 or higher? If it works out well you can probably start taking advantage of better winds. Glad they didn't feel sick!
I’ve tried it around 12000 and it works great!
Great people and great service
great video.
Thanks!
Great vid as always. That's a great system, and we are fortunate to have factory onboard O2 installed in our TR182. Been up to 20,000 feet with it using Precise Flight mic masks or below 18,000 using our Precise Flight nasal boom cannula's. So worth having some O2 onboard. We currently free flow our O2 but we are looking to invest in the Precise Flight on-demand systems that gives you the "puff" as needed and to conserve our tank. Definitely a game changer for us since we like to fly in the high teens on our cross country trips.
It would be nice to have built in O2! Mountain high has pulse demand boxes that work with built in systems. They have some adapters for those systems I think.
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey I'll give Mountain High a look. Thanks for the tip!
A good follow up video might be showing how to refill the oxygen bottle at an FBO.
Good idea thanks!!
Yes! And please include how you mounted the system.
Awesome. Glad it’s working out for you guys. Thanks for sharing. Saludos !!!
Never used Oxygen before, but great insight on the benefits even when not flying above 12k. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Our company manual mandates Oxygen for above 8000’. It came down from 10k a few years ago.
that's very telling and good for people to know that even though the legal limit is higher others have chosen to adopt lower limits.
Great video as usual, what's the mount you use for your iPad? Looking for one for my Cherokee Six 300!
Mygoflight universal cradle and panel mount. You can see it clearly in the video about the PMA450B audio panel I made when I review music features.
Happy for you man! They are back in the game.
Thanks!!!
This looks great! Now I just need a plane that can get me high enough to need it!
Excellent information! Thanks for sharing. Sounds/looks like a great system...I wonder what the total weight of the system is?
I thin kit's mostly dependent on the tank. The rest barely weights anything. There are various tank sizes and I think all the specs are on the mountain high site.
My favorite channel, hands down!!!
Wow, thanks! I really appreciate that!
Any chance they might be anemic? It's more common in women and that might explain why they are more sensitive to the altitude change.
good point- will look into it
Supplemental O2 is important, thanks for this insightful video
Glad you liked it!
I'm *so* happy that the oxygen system has been such a success! That's absolutely wonderful. I'm also really glad you like the O2D2. I've certainly been extremely satisfied with mine. I'm fortunate that I don't tend to have any oxygen-related issues until I get above 10k, so I don't carry it in the plane all the time, but if I'm taking a trip where I may have to get up high, I put it in. Where'd you put your tank?
I've considered taking the next step and installing a built-in system in my plane (the same system that the factory sells can be installed under an STC), but unfortunately the tank goes into the tailcone, and normally-aspirated planes like mine end up a bit tail-heavy without the extra weight of the turbo engine up front. If I could come up with a way to easily install and remove the tank without fussing with the straps on the MH case, that'd probably be a good solution.
The tank is behind the copilot seat. The bag/strap thing definitely isn’t perfect. Haha
LOVE EVERY SINGLE VIDEO
Thanks so much!
You’re VFR only and you flew over an area of widespread IFR and couldn’t get lower due to the smoke? Was that not something you could have checked before departure? Like some weather charts or anything to see how widespread that area of IMC was?
I could have descended IFR. I am instrument rated and was higher than the MEA for the area. I just didnt want to descend through the smoke and make things worse. There are smoke maps that I have since discovered but they are not part of the normal aviation weather brief. Sometimes they will issue an airmet for mountain obscuration due to smoke but ive found smoke maps that are better.
Hi from Northern Ireland, just love your videos.
Glad you're enjoying them!
What a great video. excellent information! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What is that contraption with bicycle chains between the front seats ???
In the middle of some kind of upgrade?
I don't recall seeing it previously.
It’s my mountain bike! :)
Silly me, I though it was a partially-completed upgrade to the elevator trim or something !
It gives, zero level at: 8,000ft "Joint Air Ops!"
Nice Family !! I'm using a constant flow system installed in my SR22. Considering MH with O2D2. After two years, would you do something differently?
Nope. Still love it!
being in the Military we were not allowed at all to fly above 10,000 ft without our oxygen masks on
Nice Vid!!! Thanks
Love the channel!! Have you ever had the chance to do a high altitude chamber?
thanks! Haven't done that yet
With family you can reuse "your" canular but do you have extra's for quests? And would you let them leave with it or can you sanitize it so it can be used by someone else, thus saving $$ ?
we have extra cannulas (not the boom style but regular ones). You can wipe with an alcohol wipe I suppose. I wouldnt worry too much about it after wiping it with alcohol unless the next person is using it immediately.
Do you think it'd be useful for short flights 30-60 minutes for altitudes below 9500?
it depends how sensitive the people who want to use it are to low O2 levels. FOr really short flights like that I dont think my girls use it but anything loger than 45 minutes they seem to want it
I invested in an O2 system, not Mountain High, but have never used it!
give it a try!
How much does it cost to refill the oxygen system? How do you refill it?
about $65 for the bottle from an FBO. They usually charge flat rate no matter the size of the tank...
Like always, excellent!
Mountain High have a good system but their O2D2 are so pricey! I looked at their chart based on 15,000 feet pressure altitude was giving lower duration on the same tank size than AEROX System.
What’s the total weight on the system?
not sure of the weight - everything but the tank weighs very little and tank sizes vary.
@Shawn - As a 1,000-hour glider pilot who flies at-altitude a lot and has used both systems: Mountain High gives a *much* better duration for the same tank size & pressure! Aerox is very "optimistic" with their claimed durations, whereas Mountain High is very conservative. Physiology and O2 demand varies from person to person, and they tend to err on the side of modesty and caution with their claims. Flying between 15k and 18k MSL in the summer, I regularly get 20% more hours out of my "E" sized O2 cylinder than the Mountain High chart claims.
@@noelwade that’s correct. Both system provide an average charts and durations; and definitely varies based on the individual consumption of the O2. I simply compared both charts for the same tank size.
There are many kit options on the website. Which one did you purchase? Thanks.
I got the 4 person O2D2 system with the 48 cu ft tank and 4 boom cannulas. I recommend also giving them a call because they can make sure you getthe right length tubing for your plane and O2D2 box positions. I have a more detailed look at my setup - email me at flyingmonkeysocal@gmail.com and I'll send you a link.
I wonder if the girls and your wife were experiencing this more because they are anemic. A lot of women especially young women are anemic from menstruation. Younger women can have very heavy periods which often make them anemic. Less blood cells = less oxygen can be carried in your blood in the first place. Good on you all for figuring out the problem! Maybe another aspect to check out with the family doctor.
That's a good point and could be a contributing factor. Thank you!
damn you got some troopers bro just to give it a go again is great, keep up the great videos
yeah they are awesome for hanging in there. thanks for the encouragament!
Did you go to Sedona for the bike festival?
not for the bike festival but that sounds fun!
If at all possible, could you tell me how much did that system cost?
I am thinking about getting one, but for 6 people.
Thanks and happy landings..
I think the 4 person system with the very big tank was about 3500 list price
Thank You!
Will look into it!
Happy Landings!!
Oxygen is great 👍