A bit late to the party on this one, but I would have recommended that Player A put down $50 but spread out among other bets (the inside numbers specifically). Both players risk the same amount of money but Player B is relying on one number for large gains while Player A is relying on multiple numbers for small gains.
I used to think this way when I was younger......until I lost a bunch of money and had nothing to do while my friends were still having fun gambling. I've since realized that it's much more fun to figure out a way to play slower than that and still have fun, while also giving yourself a chance to walk away plus money. That's why my favorite craps to play is at the machine. 2 giant dice roll around in a tube and there are up to eight players sitting with their own screens making bets in between rolls. The minimum bet is $1. You can buy the 4, 5, 9, and 10 without having to pay any commission. That game is super fun, and I hardly ever play at an expensive table anymore.
I usually can sit for an hour making crazy low bets and still make 100 bucks. Not too bad. Plus you can sit and relax. I can only play tables about 15 mins and I'm ready to quit
Color Up Primarily the lower table minimums. I've seen 1-3 dollar mins on the bubble craps machines. Plus you can sit and relax. Plus I usually play the dark side and I've gotten some heat doing that at the tables lol
Playing max odds is the mathematically superior bet as you correctly mentioned. It lowers the house edge considerably on those 100x tables. However, also as you point out, you need a supporting bankroll to cover the volatility. I know I certainly can’t afford the $1000 it would take to cover max odds on a pass line bet at a $10 table with 100x odds. Even if I did show up to that table with $1010, you can be sure I’d be spreading that around on placing numbers, come bets and 3-5x odds. I’d most likely be playing a whole lot longer as well ;)
About 7x is best, you get the most reduction and don't have so much on the table. Personally I like 3-4-5 to keep the win simple, and 10x to get me the most $$ on a win. Always fun when one shooter gets 6, four times in a row ! :)
Welcome to Colorful Colorado! Hahaha there isn't any air here either. It's a dry climate as well, don't forget chap stick and lotion. Hope to see you in Black Hawk so we can color up!
I have only subscribed to this channel for several months. I recently took a trip from Phoenix, Arizona to Laughlin, Nevada looking to play some table craps since we don't have it here either. As a high school math teacher, I really love how you play out so many "strategies" for this game without bias results. Please continue to do so. The probability speaks for itself, but the excitement surrounding this game cannot be compared.
To really get an idea of this, one would need to run it through a craps simulator that will literally play thousands of hands in a few seconds. It is there that the odds will diminish your losses over the long haul.
While I disagree with forgetting the max odds on this simulation. I do think the viewer investment makes this a good example of why you should always pay attention at a table.
Rabb Whitehead most casinos won’t pay a forgotten bet out...it was on the 8 I believe? So pays 60, bringing total to 325, which is still short shooter A at 340
Color Up I hear ya. I think I was more interested in the whole run actually being max odds. Any missed profits from that can't be attributed to the betting strategy. Thanks for your videos! Gave me the confidence to play again after losing for years. Nothing serious, just fun.
Color Up the only reason you failed to put odds is because you were being the: stick-man, dealer, both betters, shooter, and commentator all at once. A real casino doesn't have that problem.
Tor Lumnitor yes I make a lot of mistakes in my video because all the roles I play, but forgetting to add odds is a “player mistake” and I see it often. And as I mentioned in video I see it go both ways as to how it’s handled. Preferably you have an attentive dealer who reminds you before the roll takes place, which I see often and is great!
should've paid it out assuming the person following the strategy wouldn't have forgotton because they religiously are following the action you forgetting to do something when trying to do so much isnt the same.
Thanks for the vid on this topic. I always feel compelled to play as much odds as I possibly can, sometimes outside of my comfort zone. It makes the game more enjoyable knowing that there isn't anything wrong with not playing max odds.
I always start with $300 on a $15 table which allows 100x odds so I never actually max out but I do lay heavy odds depending on the point and circumstance. I play the line, the six and the eight and that's all. When my bank roll is small I bet min on 6 and 8 and let winnings press three times. If the point is 6 or 8 I lay two times odds. If the point is 5 or 9 I lay one times odds. For 4 and 10 I don't lay any odds. You can use this strategy all night long and your bank roll goes up and down but basically stays the same. The key is to recognize when the table gets hot then take huge risks if you want to make money. Usually it's that "one guy" who rolls 15 times then hits the point and you made a good deal of money. If he sets a 6 or 8 as a new point I'll put $300 in odds if I have it.
@@xflfantasy4592 I love NFL teasers. I don't bet often, but when I do I try my best to be correct. So many people just bet for the hell of it without much Merritt. Other than NFL I like boxing and MMA. Odds might be bad, but some fights are very predictable.
I do 1x on 4-10, 2x on 5-9, and 3x on 6-8. Does that make sense? Higher odds on most frequent numbers, higher chance of payout. This makes most sense to me.
That's a great way to play. Most people don't understand the game enough to play it that way. you can always go 0x 1 x and 2 x just cause the four and ten are tough numbers.
PDs Place yes and no, Yes because you are not risking additional money on numbers less likely to roll. No, because they all get paid at true odds, so you risk vs reward is the same for all the numbers, 4/10 higher risk, higher reward...and just because the 6/8 is more likely to roll doesn’t mean you will ever see them. Best to just play however you are most comfortable, and the way you approach it is a great option.
Color Up Most people don’t realize like this poster that odds are a zero EV proposition. The 6/8 hits more than the 4/10, however, the 6/8 pay only pays 6 to 5 whereas the 4/10 pays 2 to 1. Each loses 6 times in 36 rolls on the 7 all things being equal. 3 wins in 36 rolls on the 4/10 is 6 units at 2 to 1. 5 wins on the 6/8 is 6 units at 6 to 5. It should be a wash but hoping when you take odds you hit your numbers. One more point worth noting - lowering the house edge relative to the payout doesn’t make it any easier or any more likely you will win your bet. The odds always ride along with the base bet that the house has the edge on to begin with. Helps payout when you win, but winning percentages/chances for or against are the same.
Unrelated topic: Colour up, I have another strategy that I believe works because it works at home BUT not at the casino because they have a digital monitor play screen for everyone to sit down at and use a vibrating floor mat like a flat speaker bouncing 5 inch cubed dice in a dome. I swear they are adjusting the weights electronically because the 7 will show up 15 out of 50 rolls all day, but when I play at home this system works, curious on your thoughts about this system. No passline, comeout roll is out, no matter what it is I'll try the so called iron cross for one minimum bet roll off the come out(5-6-8-field), then turn off all bets(or remove), let it ride out until the next 7-out, repeat. Sometimes roll twice after come out but really just one is all thats necessary. I wouldn't play this way at a casino live table as its a waste of space and would be annoying for the worker but home games work. Thoughts?
So you are looking for one hit and down, thats fine if you have the patience. As far as the "Bubble Craps" machines cheating...I don't believe they have any reason to. If the sevens are coming up more than probability says, then you are certainly allowed to bet the other way winning with all those 7's.
Ive been to casinos a good bit. I usually play roulette and 3 card poker and a few slots. Always been curious of craps. I've been watching your videos for the past couple weeks. Ive probably watched about 20 of them, some more than once. Going to cherokee nc carolina this weekend and looking forward to giving it a shot. Thank you for all the informative information!! Really learned a lot
Hey having fun in Colorado? Now that we live in the same state, probably want to meet up in Blackhawk and throw some craps one of these days, or review some of the casinos. Max bet is $100 on anything and always 10x odds.
Twinsen764 so I make public videos, but I’m a very shy reserved person ha, I know I have fans that would love a meet and greet...it’s something I should consider
Awesome I also live in Colorado. I'm always at the dice tables in cripple creek when I've got some money to gamble (: Keep up the awesome video. Cheers.
We love going to Blackhawk Co. Nothing to do but eat, sleep and play craps. Color me stupid, but I never understood why placing odds brings down the house edge. Can you explain that?
When you just play the pass line it pays 1 to 1. Let's say the point is a 4, true odds is 2 for 1 so if you hit the point it should pay you $20 for a $10 bet but a flat bet only pays you $10. If you have 10 on the front and 10 on the back than the front is paid flat and the back is paid true odds of 2 to 1 so 20. So long story short you get paid more for the back (odds bet) thus lowering the house edge because of true odds.
Jana Giraud pass line bet has 1.41% edge, odds has 0% edge...you average the two numbers together getting a number somewhere in between. The more money you have at 0% the more the average is weighted towards 0 vs 1.41 and thus a lower house edge closer to 0 than 1.41
@@ColorUp best deal in the house is you betting anything in the middle of the table. Especially thinking it's a "hedge". "Oh I'm gonna get a $7 ce to hedge to come out." No. You're dumb. "oh well it's the casinos money", no, pretty sure you could take the $7 to the cashier and they'd give you cash, so it's not the casinos money.
Had you paid the odds on that mistake, player B would have been even. You were the house, you knew the intent of the player, why not pay. Let us know when you are heading to Vegas, I know I would like to meet you there. I know how to roll the dice. Take care Thanks for your great videos.
Ricardo Cortez Douglas I agree the house would be better customer service to pay there, but some just don’t. Player would have been at $325, which is up some, but still behind the zero odds player.
Really enjoyed this one. I've always been and odds truther, even in your comments, but was definitely interesting to see this one. Also a CO resident, so welcome and enjoy the $100 max bets in Black Hawk!
A business man from Austin Texas who made annual pilgrimages to a Vegas Casino named Binion's Horseshoe bet like this. He would bet thousands, tens of thousands on the Pass or Don't pass. He won 4 years in a row. In 1985 he bet $1Million in the same manner and lost. He took his life in his room later that evening.
He claimed it was over the loss of a lover, not necessarily the gambling loss. here is an article about it. articles.latimes.com/1985-02-05/news/mn-4809_1_suicide-note
Thanks for this. I've never understood why people say to play max odds. Unless you can play for hours at a time and have a big bank roll it doesn't help much
Vincent Vladof it is useful if start lower and after wins you can begin pressing or increasing the odds with your profit, but to start at max? ....not necessary in my book
My primary strategy is to play the pass/come lines and the odds. I can't afford to max out but I generally go at least 2 times the line bet. I'm wondering if I shouldn't be varying my odds bet based on the odds of the point. And, if I do, do I bet heavier on the 6 and 8 than on the 4 and 10? Make more scores with less payout or fewer big hits?
Well it doesn’t really matter as far as what number you are adding odds to. They all get paid at true odds of rolling the number, 4/10 harder to roll yes, but get better compensated. It really comes down to what you feel like betting on, or maybe a “hunch” :)
whu wouldnt the point number dictate the max odd bet or bet on your odds . i mean 4 is alot harder than 8 or 6 ......... it would decrease your odds to play max odds on the 4 or 10 but it all depends on how lucky you feel also . feel vs odds
It depends. Yes, mathematically, max odd will in the long run be better in the long run but you’ve gotta have the bankroll to do it. But locally, most of our commercial casinos are at least 20x odds so max odds there are difficulty unless you have a bankroll of $1000+. There is also an Indian casino that’s 3/4/5 odds, make more sense for maxing out odds there.
Try betting $5 on pass and don't pass. When the point is established, lay maximum odds (or your maximum budget per number) on the don't pass. I saw a guy playing *only* this strategy, no other side bets. He started with $1000 and cashed out $7000 in about 15 minutes. He told me that he only plays craps this way for a living. His huge wad of $100 bills is proof that he is doing something right. The fact is that the don't pass is at 8-to-3 disadvantage on the come out (also bet the pass as insurance), and at a huge advantage after the point is established. The idea is to minimize your risk on the come out to establish a point for your don't odds. Now you're playing very nearly true odds. Use a positive progression betting strategy to increase your odds wager with profits as you win, and drop down to minimum when you lose a roll.
I tried this in AC they shut you down play one ☝️ side. So anyway I just found a table with hop and hopped the 7 and played c+e for $2 and $1 12 on the come out. Investment Played $10 from the DONT pass. Investment on the come out roll is $16 everything covered. I came up fast but deviated from my strategy like I always do but I am going back and sticking to it. I just get caught up because I love the game and do not like a quiet table betting against the table... I have fun but just for monetary gain it's a good system..oh with max odds once the point gets established. I stand right next to the dealer and tell them how I work, some don't like it and act like they don't see my bet but again money talks
BrianD0313 odds bet is at a 0% house edge that gets averaged with the pass line bet of 1.4% house edge, the more money bet at 0% the more the average moves closer to 0 and away or lower than 1.41
It only affects the payoff amount, it doesn’t affect the odds of winning or losing the point. You can bet 10,000X odds, and there’s still going to be six ways to roll a 7 and fewer ways to roll the other numbers.
I think same thing applies when playing the don't. I've seen players that max out don't odds when the point is an outside number only for it to hit and lose big.
Just don't go too large on the odds against the 4 or 10. Odds on the don't side is really a scam if you're not careful. I usually always lay odds on the 5,6,8,9 although I don't lay heavy no matter what my flat bet is. It also depends how you are going along whether you're winning or not.
Hi love your video's but can you try avoiding the seven on a full table using hardway dice set? I would really appreciate it if you could because that's how I play and I would like to see your outcomes win more.
If point numbers are rolling early and you have max odds you will win more. If not rolling you will lose more. Its tough to tell when the table is about to "win you money" I personally feel more comfortable betting more when I have more money in my rail.
I wanna add that playing the odds to whatever amount is worth it, but only if the total risk between the line and the odds is equal to 1 unit of your normal bet. So if it's a $5 table and your normal bet is $10 then it's great to $5 pass and $5 odds (6 or the odd numbers), because that's still 1 unit to you. But if your normal bet is $5 and you put $5 pass and $5 odds, youre effectively risking 2 units per point. Risking the 2 units per point is then wiping out the advantage that the odds were supposed to give you. I like how you at least mentioned to bet the pass/don't with the minimum and use any other amount to bet odds.
Final result is actually $360 vs $315 because you didn't pay the $50. The whole point is to test it out, not say "I forgot so that side doesn't get paid." Similarly, if you rolled 7, I'd tell you take the $50 out of the rack to correct the test.
TruthSeeker either way it’s a $75 difference but even that doesn’t matter. The point of video is to say you don’t “have to play max odds” not to prove one way is better than other, so final results really are inconsequential. Thanks for watching and your feedback
I will say that one time you pulled the odds bet out of your "max odds" winning, but I get it... enjoy Colorado though. I lived there for 3 years and would love to go back!
I usually play at a $10 table with 3x4x5x odds. I have often seen players play the pass line with no odds and no other bet! What you're forgetting is that a player taking max odds is not going to have the line bet as his only bet. He will have place bets, or as in my case, come bets. On the rolls you showed I would have made a killing on the come bets! Plus, it's a lot more exciting when you have money spread around than simply waiting for one number or a seven to appear. At least, that's the way I look at it.
I play points and on 45910 start with 30 odds ( 10 dollar table ) on 6-8 I start with 50 ( 10 x max odds ) play 10 in the field and use the field to press my odds ….
Another great video. I really enjoy your method of showing betting strategies with some random rolls and a set bankroll. All the places around me (Oregon) only offer 3,4,5x odds so if you count the pass line bet it's the same as a place bet. If you accept video ideas, I'd like to see more videos comparing two strategies like this one - maybe iron cross vs a basic pass with odds bet. larger don't pass vs a small pass bet with more in odds.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Anyone saying you're an idiot for not betting max odd is living in a vacuum, and more than likely just a internet troll. The reality is most people who learn what they know about gambling from the internet, specifically craps, doesn't understand the totality of how a game plays in the long run. There are two HUGE factors people are not implementing into their flawed logic. 1- Exposure to you bankroll(decisions per hour) is a much bigger killer than making the exact best mathematical bets. 2- With utilizing the free odds bet in craps you actually get diminishing returns, as far as lowering the house edge, with every additional unit you have in play.
I play craps to have fun. I understand the math and reasoning behind the bets and everything. I go with 200 bankroll and even if a shooter is doing well I never feel comfortable betting to much I just really enjoy playing. Also my gf and I will be in blackhawk CO end of next week for some craps fun!
Mark Crump basically how I approach the game personally as well, not sure when I’ll get to black hawk, I’m not far, just busy... good luck on coloring up next week!
I love craps, and I've been watching your channel for the last couple weeks to sharpen my skills. I love your channel, the video quality and non-bias practice are much appreciated. I live in Albuquerque, where about in Colorado did you move too? Maybe we can hit some tables sometime.
Horseshoe in Tunica Mississippi had 100X odds at one time, but supposedly withdrew it. But Horseshoe started 10X odds and when everyone else followed, Horseshoe went to 20X and so did everyone else, and probably Tunica had the best odds in dice anywhere in the country (but dunno what it’s like now).
By not playing max odds a person can cover more numbers and increase the chances of collecting on those numbers. The 7 always has the potential of coming before any point . Player B might get better comps than player A . Keep the comps just give me the black chips !
You are right, bank roll size should determine how much you bet but this is like saying the guy betting on a 50/50 coin flip should not wager his life savings on the outcome. For a better test you should make a betting unit comparison. Compare 5x odds with placing 5 numbers. This is why people harp on maximizing odds. Lets say you bet $60 per established point, $10 on pass and inside number place bets with an average house edge of 2%. Let's say You get through 12 points/hr. 5x odds has the expected loss of $10x12x1.41% +600 x0% = $1.70/hr expected loss. If you don't take the odds and use the place bets ..... $60x12x2% or $14.40/hr expected loss. On a weekend Vegas trip with 20hrs of gambling you are expecting losses of $34 for pass line 5x odds or $280 for no odds and place bets! It may be boring but it really does add up..... Err disappear more slowly :)
Shawn Davis this is not a video comparing place bets to odds bet, obviously one has significant lower edge or cost to play. This compares odds to odds, and shows You don’t have to max your odds.
@@ColorUp I just find the test misleading. You are trying to test the statement "you should always maximize your odds". The answer is YES if you are comfortable with making a higher wager per established point. This will give you the best expected outcome compared to any other bet you can make. Any casino game where you are betting 5x less than the other guy will show less volatility to your bankroll no matter what the house edge is. You could also test by betting the enitre initial bankroll of A and B and comparing the results.
In the video I say yes max odds if you can withstand the variance in your bankroll. In the short term you will win more if the dice cooperate. But long term your expected lose is the same 1.4% of the amount bet on the line. Thanks again for your opinion that my video is misleading, but I disagree.
If the objective of the video is to show the odds pay versus no odds just pay even though you forgot it on the 8 point. We all know who play craps know you won’t get paid if the bet is not down. Doesn’t matter if you placed odds 100 times. Dealers don’t know if you forgot or just don’t want to place odds. Certain numbers like 6 and 8 have the best chances so better off placing odds. 4 and 10 pay better and 5 or 9 save your money in my opinion. If your lucky the dealer might remind you of an odds bet not put down but I’ve never seen them pay if you forgot and the chips aren’t on the table. My experiences.
Damon Grimes I didn’t pay the 8, because typically they wouldn’t , but I have seen them pay out forgotten bets. They call over the pit, explain he’s been playing this way for last couple hours and they pay him. It’s good customer service. A few bucks to keep a good player happy.
The BlackHawk and Central City casinos I frequent have 10X and 20X odds. Will need to pay attention to the other tables regarding odds. As in Vegas, these types of odds appear to be gear for low rollers like us. It would seem reasonable to press to max odds after your bets are paid for unless there is bankroll to support from the get go. Most tables are $5. Some $3 tables. One $2 table Monday through Thursday. The Monarch's table is the only one to pay triple on 12 in the field. How about a craps report for the Colorado casinos?
Color Up I will go out on the Victory Cruise in Cape Canaveral to play real Dice! It's about a three hour drive but worth it! I've had good rolls there!
there's a misconception that adding odds decreases the money lost, it does not. I have a mathematics degree and I had the same misconception when I started playing (which was not long ago). Many times you don't realize something until someone tells you. While the house edge on the overall bet goes down, the expected value (in terms of dollars) stays the same. On one video you said "it's just a multiplier, it makes you win bigger and lose bigger" and that's actually exactly the truth. It does decrease the house edge of the overall bet but because you can only add to the minimum pass line bet, it will always have the same expected value as a minimum pass line bet. The only truth is that if you are going to bet somewhere else on the table, you are better off using the money to max your odds first. What I like to do (as a very low roller on a $10 table) is put a $10 pass bet, plus $10 odds. Then for a point other than the 6 or 8, I'll put $12 on either the 6 or 8, or both depending on my bankroll. It is mathematically inferior to using it towards odds, but it gives me more table action which increases fun which is why I'm there. It is my balance between having fun+more table action and making smart bets. If I was a high roller and had hundreds of dollars to blow, my strategy would be the following. I also play this when I play for fun online craps games. By the way if anyone knows any good ones, please let me know. The best one I found still doesn't have a fully functioning buy/place bet system. My strategy with $500-1000 bankroll: First, I would still play at a $10 table. (or $5 if that's available, never been to one in northeast) I would play minimum pass line bet, plus maximum odds. So around $40-60. Then I would place the 6 and 8. Because I have max odds I feel comfortable sacrificing the house edge of making those bets. I would find a table that does buy bets vig on win, and buy the 4,5, 9, and 10. Now that I think about it, I think I'd rather have a bigger passline with odds bet to buy those numbers because I want them to be less than other bets and I'd need them to be $20+. Anyways with a high bankroll, then I might throw a dollar on each hardways for the fun of it because your video made me like hardways. I would not place the 5 and 9 under any circumstances, I don't like the house edge on those numbers. Anyways, I don't think any low roller like me should have any incentive to max odds. I play $10 odds with a $10 pass line bet, and maybe make a minimum place bet on the 6 and 8 if the point is outside so I can have more fun. Max odds DOES NOT HELP YOU. You have to remember an even money bet is still even money. It does not provide a positive benefit to you.
Correct. Both players whether zero odds or max odds will lose 1.4% of whatever they have on the line bet. theoretically any odds bet should break even over time winning or losing you nothing. In short term it’s a good way to take advantage of variance as their is no “fee” to make the bet.
Mathematically in this scenario, aren't both hypothetical players exactly the same, except odds guy has higher volatility? They are the same on the pass line bet, and the odds bet is going to zero out over time and many trials. Not sure why these hypothetical players would see much difference in what they are doing.
There is zero difference between players. That’s point of video, so many claim you need to maximize odds, but mathematically in the end both players will lose 1.4% of whatever they have bet on the line.
I would argue that if you don’t have the bankroll to make a 5x bet on the odds of the pass line you probably shouldn’t be buying in on that particular table. You basically just said if you bet more you risk more. I love the content though man keep it up.
That’s a good argument. The truth about odds though, doesn’t matter if you take odds or not. No odds or 100x odds in the end you will lose 1.4% of whatever your line bet amount is. If you can afford to put more money into the game, and get on a lucky streak it works out. Otherwise you are just putting more money into the game to potentially lose. I do agree about using 5x odds as a minimum though, But only because an equivalent size place bet pays more unless at least 5x odds.
I’m off to Vegas next month for 4 nights. I have played craps before and had some success at the Monte Carlo over 8 nights, came out about $400 up after all was said and done for the week. Which considering the amount of booze me and the Mrs got through was a big win lol Anyway, between you and Bonethrower I now have many more betting strategies at my disposal and I am looking forward to trying some out. One question, I know you buy the 4 and 10 at $25 why not the 5,6,8,9 ? Thanks and keep it up ! I would like to see you do some live throws at a casino.
Frankyutube with the 5/9 and 6/8 the house edge is lower with place bets vs buy in most cases, so it would be to your disadvantage to make buy bets. With the 5/9 you can get a lower house edge with the buy if the vig is collected only on the win instead of upfront, but not all casinos do that and not all casinos even allow a buy on the 5/9. With the 4/10 it’s always more advantageous to buy instead of place. Some casinos allow buy bets with less than $25 bet, but that’s most common, always ask, you might be able to buy as low as $10
You are correct that a casino would NOT pay odds if you forgot to put down odds. But this is an example. Similar to how a dealer cannot hit over 17, even if they accidentally do, the integrity of the game means that they don't, and any accidental hit is burned. You should have maintained the integrity of the example by paying the max odds, because that's what the rule was.
@@ColorUpYou said player A did better. Only by $5 if you had stayed within the confines of the rules. Treating the mistake like a live game added nothing to the video and was disingenuous. The video isn't about remembering to place your bets. It's a comparison of two betting styles. Not claiming it was a "scientific experiment" or anything. Just criticizing your decision to not fix the mistake (even in post-production). I watch a lot of your videos and this one stuck out as sloppy and simply inaccurate compared to your normal videos.
Fredrick Allen well thanks for the feedback but this video wasn’t about proving that playing 0odds is better...it’s not better. As you pointed out though player A still would have won. The point of video is just to say that you “don’t have to play max odds” and the fact player A was even close and in this case even came out ahead confirms the point. None of my videos are about “what is better way” as there is no better. Just depends how the dice roll and how you like to play.
You were just trying to show the difference between the systems, so you should have paid the odds on the one where you forgot to put up the odds ... unless you assume players are going to forget at least once a session. The final did not reflect the full odds strategy result.
also if you dont add the first roll twith the second the odds do not even out., since hiting a point is harder than a 7. The disadvantage isnot reduced., hitting points is luck and has nothing to do with odds.
You are missing the point totally. You use the free odds, not as a way to increase the bet, but as a overall bet. With single odds, bet $5 pass and $5 odds for a overall $10 bet. Double odds: $3 dollar on the line and $6 on odds. You do have to bet more than the typical $5 bet, bet if you are prepared to increase the bet to $10 with odds, the PC is dropping down .8 percent with single odds and .6 percent with double odds which means your bankroll will last twice or trice the amount of time and can if you have a lucky streak, win you a bundle of money. The only bets to bet on in craps is: pass or dont pass with free odds and come and don't come with free odds. All other bets is sucker bets. Systems? Hedging? Insurance? There is no such things in the casino games. Stick to the low percentage bets and if you win you win. If you lose, you lose, but it will not hurt your wallet more than your bank roll.
A $300 bankroll for player A guarantees him 30 bets while Player B is only guaranteed 5. He would need an $1800 bankroll to play at the same comfort level as player A. So, the size of the bankroll is the question here, not the volatility. The volatility remains the same for both bettors, however Player B is over betting his bankroll by a very wide margin. Now, if you add a couple come numbers, that would increase the volatility of the game and require an even larger bankroll.
The odds bet in craps is the ONLY bet in the casino where the house doesn't have an edge. Use it comenserate with your bank roll. Well produced video however inconstant. I still subribe to and watch all of your stuff.
The argument should not be should I always take max odds. I agree taking max odds without the proper bank roll makes no sense. Really my argument would be when to increase my line bet. It only makes sense to increase my line bet once I have gone to full odds. Odds is the best paying bet on the table. Example. $10.00 line bet with $10.00 odds versus $20.00 line bet. Which pays better? I rest my case.
Last Tues night, I was playing this exact system, but not betting as much behind the pass line and I actually did pretty good in an hour of fun. I left the table with $35 to the good. Anyway, these two drunk dudes were playing at the end of the table and this one dude threw $10 in chips...two red chips out on the Yo at the same time the dice were in the air and the box-woman reluctantly OK'd it while the dice were in play and it landed on the 11! LOL The one dealer was pissed...like it was his table that he had to pay him $150. The box woman was just beside herself and started in on the guy about placing late bets. Interestingly though....she accepted the bet but she didn't like the outcome..
Eric Boyles yeah not sure why some dealers take it personal like it’s their own money...they will win it back plus some soon enough...as far as late bets, the guy had a “feeling” ha, if he kept making late bets that’s annoying
So is 5x odds actually a thing anywhere? I don't see the point in playing "max odds" that don't exist anywhere. I've seen the "normal" 3-4-5x, 10x, and 100x. When people say always play max odds I expect they mean at a typical 3-4-5x table. This video could be condenses to " always play the most odds allowed that you can afford. Even with a simple 5x odds pass bet, you have $60 on a roll which is not much different than any of the other "strategies" shown. The bottom line is, if you are already on the pass line for any amount, the odds becomes a 0% house edge bet. why wouldn't you bet as much as you can?
John Galt Line 5x is available all over the country, and as you mentioned 10x and 100x also available. I just happened to choose 5x for this video example, as I rarely see people play more on those higher tables of 10 or 100x. Sure mathematically a good bet but realistically very few like, or can afford that risk.
Never seen 5x. Oh well. As for liking or affording, I suppose it depends on the player. Some folks like to play the field, or put money on big 6 and 8 instead of placing them. I prefer bets with good odds even if they are slow and boring. if there is a bet with better than a 0% house edge, let me know so I can go play it.
John Galt Line yep everyone likes to play different and why I love craps so much, playing the odds at 0% doesn’t increase chances a winning number will roll and why short term anybody’s method can work. Long term your style of play should win out over players that player higher edge bets.
While playing odds doesn't increase your chance of winning, it also doesn't lower them, unlike any other bet you could make with that same money. The over all point is, whatever else you want to put money on, you should put it on odds first if you are already on the pass line anyway. On a 345x table my normal play is something like min-bet on pass, max odds, and place the six and eight. If I have the bankroll for it I'll place the number opposite the point. I find that a lot of the tables that offer 10x are also $5 minimums, so my odds usually cost the same weather it's 10x $5, or 5x$10. I'll get loose with the betting once I'm on casino money, and tighten up when playing with my own stack.
Hi Color Up. You have nice videos and demonstrations. You should have continued with paying out the odds. If you forgot to put them down, so what. Just correct yourself and then put them down. Its not a real game. The whole debate about whether a casino will or will not pay you if you forgot to put the odds down is irrelevant to the point of the video. Don't lose track of what the video is about, no odds vs. maximum odds. You didn't have to worry about whether you should put them down and pay or not pay. Of course put them down. We forgive you. Lol. That is the whole point of the video , no odds vs. max odds. That's why people are watching the video.. Its nice you are trying to keep it as close to a real game as possible and follow the correct procedures etc.. but in this case we forgive you.
Not a bad video just a bit on the exaggerated side... The idea of full odds is only really on the 6 & 8 and sometimes on the 5 & 9 but the 4 & 10 being mathematically harder to roll you never put full odds on them. Also if your not playing the other numbers then you either have very little cash or don't know how to play craps. You should always put a place bet on the 6 & 8. If you can afford it then also place the 5 & 9. Play the numbers for 5 or 6 rolls then pull your money. Even with the bad rolls you had you would have still made money and had a bit more fun and excitement. Glad to see you are somewhere you can play on a real table hope you don't shake and roll in the casino.
James Howard do I need to make a video on “always place the 6/8” ha kidding, that’s more of a preference by you which is fine if you like. I’m not a shake and roll guy, more a grab and chuck
We have a chuck-er at the table folks guard your money!!!....LOL No Color Up you have already covered placing the 6 & 8 in earlier videos. Like the Place 6 & 8 for beginners...I have watched most of your videos and have learned a lot from you on how to play craps. I even try some of your betting strategies till I get the kinks worked out then adapt them to my play style. I do understand that you are going the minimalist route in your video but for some people they need the clarification otherwise they will always think one way about something. With the way this demonstration is done one would never place odds on any pass line bet. Also placing the 6 & 8 is not a preference of mine, it is a strategy that I learned from you and many others; so keep them coming I love to Color Up at the table.
Well Dave, listen to this...The video was to see if someones suggestion to always place max odds on any point established was good advice or not. While you are correct in your calculations I was trying to point out that placing a max odds bet on the 4 or 10 was not mathematically a good idea. Yes, the house edge is lower and you get 2 to 1 instead of 9 to 5 on a payout. I guess I should have explained my statement a bit more. A lot depends on the table limits and how much cash you have. If you are at a $25 min bet table with 2X odds that's a $50 max odds bet on the 4 or 10. Since there is only 3 ways to roll a 4 or 10 the chances of hitting the point is almost 9% (compared to 11% for 5&9 or almost 14% for 6&8) You stand the chance of loosing a lot more money than you gain. (Unless the roller is hitting 4's and 10's a lot) I added the comment about adding place bets because the demonstration only involved the one single Pass Line bet with max odds. Had the place bets been utilized the player would have made money even with the bad luck on the max odds bets. We could go for hours on the different ways to play but this is COLOR UP's channel and I will let him have the pleasure of doing that. ps. Only with a shovel.
If run a experiment you should stick with the your parameters. B was always max odds. Who cares you forgot to place it. It was $5 difference with the flat edging out max odds. But max odds when ahead could have been a better pullout and walk away. But fir how you played it "A" won by 5.
If player B also did a come bet with max odds it would have made bank on the first 2 rolls. Roll 1 you hit 10 twice and same with 9. I haven't even watched all the video yet, but if you combined a come bet with max odds B would have killed it.
So the odds player Should have had $315 (you forgot odds once) and that was on an ice cold table. I agree with you though. Whatever you are gonna play, place the minimum (although I prefer the don't pass) and then place the rest in odds, whether or not that is max odds.
Why would you play those odds on a 4? Mathematically it’s a terrible bet on the odds. I like the 3,2,1 on the pass line odds. 3x for a 6 or 8 2x for a 5 or 9 and 1x for 4 and 10.
The Odds pay at the true chance of rolling the number. You may not like the 4 or 10 and thats fine, but mathematically it is a true fair bet, not a terrible bet. You get paid 2-1 for the 4 because its twice as likely to roll a 7 so you get paid according to the risk. Its the same with the 5/6/8/9 the Odds pay according to the risk versus the 7.
I never go higher than 3x odds and I start with minimum bets on all numbers and collect&press them up to 3x (4x if it's a hot shooter). Based on the rolls you had before the table went cold, all those numbers you rolled would have given back more than either player.
Then you are missing making money on hot rolls. Start with 3x odds win and boost ton4 5 x. Then win and boost to 7.5. Win and boost to 10. You are boosting you odds Betts taking half the winning and boosting with winnings
I play w/ a whale. Brings 200K with him each time. We play at a 10X table. He usually starts at 5X and feels it, will quickly go to max odds. Usually $100 on pass line w/ two to three place bets at $300 per #. Will do two com bets thinking one or two of the place bets will cover the odds. If not, he will move one of the place bets and move to the come. I have seen his total sometimes approach $8000 at any one time. May not sound like a lot considering his bankroll but he plays for hours. Very impressive. He wins many more times than he loses.
To make this more “fair” as player A I don’t put those $50 behind the PassLine bet because I would rather spread them on place bets. Perhaps do this again but with BOTH players risking same amounts. Player A on place bets and Player B with his Max odds bet. At the Casino I laugh at those who stand there with only a passline bet with Odds watching me collect on all my place bets while they hope the point hits.
You can laugh at them all you want, but if they don't have the bankroll, or just want to play the lowest house edge, then pass/don't pass, and come/don't come are the bets they'll make. Sometimes put bets if you can get 10x+ odds. In the long run, they'll do better than you with all your other bets out.
Im not sure i would call it an experiment, its not very scientific, its just one session. Even if I did pay, the max odds still lost in this "experiment" The end result is not conclusive of anything, if I was hitting points then max odds would have won easily, it all just depends how the dice roll. My point I believe was proven either way, you do not "always have to play max odds"
Hey man I am trying to figure out the math on a strategy. I was wondering if you could help me as I dont know anyone to ask... I am not familiar enough with the payouts to get it to work out .. Ok so I saw a strategy I really like but I cant remember how he had it set up, I know he has $1880 on dont come 4, with I think 270 on the hard 4, and 10 on each of the bets for like the crap bets so a total of $50 .. where I get confused is the place bets .. he was winning $28 on hitting a 7 and winning about $104 for hitting a place bet after minus losing the hard bet things... so I'm not sure
I wish there was a better way for me to contact you lol .. ok so let me try to explain it again, when he wins on a place number he wins about $104 on the 5, 9, 10 and a little more on the 6 and 8 .. on a 7 he wins about $28 .. I know he has $10 on each of the 30 to 1 and 15 to 1 numbers, and he has I THINK $270 on the hard 4 .. so when you hit a place number you win the place bet but you lose all of the 30 to 1 and 15 to 1 numbers so whatever the place bet was minus those equals about $104 so I'm not sure what the correct place bet would be.. $100 maybe? Or more .. and then he has $1880 (this could be wrong, this is one of the numbers I'm trying to figure) on the dont come 4, so when he hits a 7 he wins the dont come 4 but loses everything else but still ends up with a +$28 win so that means the dont come covers everything on the board in case of a 7 correct? ... so if I can get the place number math and the dont come math right then I should have it .. at first I thought it was $1880 on dont come 4, $270 on hard 4, $10 on the 30 to 1 and 15 to 1 numbers and $100 on each place bet with $125 on 6 and 8 .. but hitting a 7 I believe was still a small loss .. so the only loss is the easy 4 or 3:1 roll and I know it's a big loss
IMO should have just paid the mistake. You're trying to showcase the differences between the two, and while mistakes can happen, enforcing your own mistake in a video seems a bit silly and counter intuitive to the point of the video.
You forgot to put down the odds on one bet where the maximum odds would have won 60$ additional dollars, so you didn't even prove your point
A bit late to the party on this one, but I would have recommended that Player A put down $50 but spread out among other bets (the inside numbers specifically). Both players risk the same amount of money but Player B is relying on one number for large gains while Player A is relying on multiple numbers for small gains.
If he paid the 8s Odds 60:50 the end result would've been A:340 to B:375 (265 + 110)
I used to think this way when I was younger......until I lost a bunch of money and had nothing to do while my friends were still having fun gambling. I've since realized that it's much more fun to figure out a way to play slower than that and still have fun, while also giving yourself a chance to walk away plus money. That's why my favorite craps to play is at the machine. 2 giant dice roll around in a tube and there are up to eight players sitting with their own screens making bets in between rolls. The minimum bet is $1. You can buy the 4, 5, 9, and 10 without having to pay any commission. That game is super fun, and I hardly ever play at an expensive table anymore.
Glen Wilson I hear ya...and the drinks still come around
love those in vegas, i usually pay for my whole trip from the pop up craps machines
I usually can sit for an hour making crazy low bets and still make 100 bucks. Not too bad. Plus you can sit and relax. I can only play tables about 15 mins and I'm ready to quit
Vincent Vladof why? The other people, pace of game? Just curious...
Color Up Primarily the lower table minimums. I've seen 1-3 dollar mins on the bubble craps machines. Plus you can sit and relax. Plus I usually play the dark side and I've gotten some heat doing that at the tables lol
Playing max odds is the mathematically superior bet as you correctly mentioned. It lowers the house edge considerably on those 100x tables. However, also as you point out, you need a supporting bankroll to cover the volatility. I know I certainly can’t afford the $1000 it would take to cover max odds on a pass line bet at a $10 table with 100x odds. Even if I did show up to that table with $1010, you can be sure I’d be spreading that around on placing numbers, come bets and 3-5x odds. I’d most likely be playing a whole lot longer as well ;)
Jonny Bravo yep, summed up nicely
About 7x is best, you get the most reduction and don't have so much on the table. Personally I like 3-4-5 to keep the win simple, and 10x to get me the most $$ on a win.
Always fun when one shooter gets 6, four times in a row ! :)
Welcome to Colorful Colorado! Hahaha there isn't any air here either. It's a dry climate as well, don't forget chap stick and lotion. Hope to see you in Black Hawk so we can color up!
Michael Bast definitely be seeing you in black hawk!
we have black hawk, central city, and cripple creek. welcome to colorado, i'm in southern colorado
Man, I love Blackhawk!!! You can throw dice, BJ is always 3:2, and the red chip reigns supreme.
Colorado,,,I got a question about the $100 max bet,,,is it hundred total or 100 max on each bet ???
@@ColorUp is the $100 max bet a total bet or 100 max on each bet,,,,,also what kind of minimum tables did black hawk have
Like the new editing with numbers on the side
AAndy Chia thanks, me too!
I have only subscribed to this channel for several months. I recently took a trip from Phoenix, Arizona to Laughlin, Nevada looking to play some table craps since we don't have it here either. As a high school math teacher, I really love how you play out so many "strategies" for this game without bias results. Please continue to do so. The probability speaks for itself, but the excitement surrounding this game cannot be compared.
Josh Hafer thanks for subscribing! Nothing beats craps for excitement in my opinion
To really get an idea of this, one would need to run it through a craps simulator that will literally play thousands of hands in a few seconds. It is there that the odds will diminish your losses over the long haul.
You mean the sevens?
Pay the eight odds I didn’t forget. 😀
yeah sometimes I will do that.. 6 or 8 i will do 3x odds or more.. if it's another number i might only do 1 or 2x odds.
While I disagree with forgetting the max odds on this simulation. I do think the viewer investment makes this a good example of why you should always pay attention at a table.
For the probability illustration you should have paid out the odds when you forgot to put em down. Would have put B above A.
Rabb Whitehead most casinos won’t pay a forgotten bet out...it was on the 8 I believe? So pays 60, bringing total to 325, which is still short shooter A at 340
Color Up I hear ya. I think I was more interested in the whole run actually being max odds. Any missed profits from that can't be attributed to the betting strategy. Thanks for your videos! Gave me the confidence to play again after losing for years. Nothing serious, just fun.
Color Up the only reason you failed to put odds is because you were being the: stick-man, dealer, both betters, shooter, and commentator all at once. A real casino doesn't have that problem.
Tor Lumnitor yes I make a lot of mistakes in my video because all the roles I play, but forgetting to add odds is a “player mistake” and I see it often. And as I mentioned in video I see it go both ways as to how it’s handled. Preferably you have an attentive dealer who reminds you before the roll takes place, which I see often and is great!
should've paid it out assuming the person following the strategy wouldn't have forgotton because they religiously are following the action you forgetting to do something when trying to do so much isnt the same.
Thanks for the vid on this topic. I always feel compelled to play as much odds as I possibly can, sometimes outside of my comfort zone. It makes the game more enjoyable knowing that there isn't anything wrong with not playing max odds.
Yep, stay in comfort zone. Most enjoyable that way, and as far as math goes....doesn’t make a difference.
I always start with $300 on a $15 table which allows 100x odds so I never actually max out but I do lay heavy odds depending on the point and circumstance. I play the line, the six and the eight and that's all. When my bank roll is small I bet min on 6 and 8 and let winnings press three times. If the point is 6 or 8 I lay two times odds. If the point is 5 or 9 I lay one times odds. For 4 and 10 I don't lay any odds. You can use this strategy all night long and your bank roll goes up and down but basically stays the same. The key is to recognize when the table gets hot then take huge risks if you want to make money. Usually it's that "one guy" who rolls 15 times then hits the point and you made a good deal of money. If he sets a 6 or 8 as a new point I'll put $300 in odds if I have it.
My favorite games are #1 Craps, #2 Ultimate Texas Holdem, and #3 Sports Betting! Of course playing advance strategy for all three games!
What do you like to sports bet?
@@ryanbahnsen6429 I use to bet NFL, MLB, NBA, and college sports.
@@xflfantasy4592
I love NFL teasers. I don't bet often, but when I do I try my best to be correct. So many people just bet for the hell of it without much Merritt. Other than NFL I like boxing and MMA. Odds might be bad, but some fights are very predictable.
I do 1x on 4-10, 2x on 5-9, and 3x on 6-8. Does that make sense? Higher odds on most frequent numbers, higher chance of payout. This makes most sense to me.
That's a great way to play. Most people don't understand the game enough to play it that way. you can always go 0x 1 x and 2 x just cause the four and ten are tough numbers.
PDs Place yes and no, Yes because you are not risking additional money on numbers less likely to roll. No, because they all get paid at true odds, so you risk vs reward is the same for all the numbers, 4/10 higher risk, higher reward...and just because the 6/8 is more likely to roll doesn’t mean you will ever see them. Best to just play however you are most comfortable, and the way you approach it is a great option.
Color Up Most people don’t realize like this poster that odds are a zero EV proposition. The 6/8 hits more than the 4/10, however, the 6/8 pay only pays 6 to 5 whereas the 4/10 pays 2 to 1. Each loses 6 times in 36 rolls on the 7 all things being equal. 3 wins in 36 rolls on the 4/10 is 6 units at 2 to 1. 5 wins on the 6/8 is 6 units at 6 to 5. It should be a wash but hoping when you take odds you hit your numbers.
One more point worth noting - lowering the house edge relative to the payout doesn’t make it any easier or any more likely you will win your bet. The odds always ride along with the base bet that the house has the edge on to begin with. Helps payout when you win, but winning percentages/chances for or against are the same.
Unrelated topic: Colour up, I have another strategy that I believe works because it works at home BUT not at the casino because they have a digital monitor play screen for everyone to sit down at and use a vibrating floor mat like a flat speaker bouncing 5 inch cubed dice in a dome. I swear they are adjusting the weights electronically because the 7 will show up 15 out of 50 rolls all day, but when I play at home this system works, curious on your thoughts about this system.
No passline, comeout roll is out, no matter what it is I'll try the so called iron cross for one minimum bet roll off the come out(5-6-8-field), then turn off all bets(or remove), let it ride out until the next 7-out, repeat. Sometimes roll twice after come out but really just one is all thats necessary.
I wouldn't play this way at a casino live table as its a waste of space and would be annoying for the worker but home games work. Thoughts?
So you are looking for one hit and down, thats fine if you have the patience. As far as the "Bubble Craps" machines cheating...I don't believe they have any reason to. If the sevens are coming up more than probability says, then you are certainly allowed to bet the other way winning with all those 7's.
Ive been to casinos a good bit. I usually play roulette and 3 card poker and a few slots. Always been curious of craps. I've been watching your videos for the past couple weeks. Ive probably watched about 20 of them, some more than once. Going to cherokee nc carolina this weekend and looking forward to giving it a shot. Thank you for all the informative information!! Really learned a lot
Andrew Moloney thanks for watching and good luck on coloring up!!
How about comparing A Bet place bets same amount as B bet backs up line bet.
Hey having fun in Colorado? Now that we live in the same state, probably want to meet up in Blackhawk and throw some craps one of these days, or review some of the casinos. Max bet is $100 on anything and always 10x odds.
Twinsen764 gotta do some casino reviews soon
Should do a meet and greet!
Twinsen764 so I make public videos, but I’m a very shy reserved person ha, I know I have fans that would love a meet and greet...it’s something I should consider
Awesome I also live in Colorado. I'm always at the dice tables in cripple creek when I've got some money to gamble (:
Keep up the awesome video. Cheers.
We love going to Blackhawk Co. Nothing to do but eat, sleep and play craps. Color me stupid, but I never understood why placing odds brings down the house edge. Can you explain that?
When you just play the pass line it pays 1 to 1. Let's say the point is a 4, true odds is 2 for 1 so if you hit the point it should pay you $20 for a $10 bet but a flat bet only pays you $10. If you have 10 on the front and 10 on the back than the front is paid flat and the back is paid true odds of 2 to 1 so 20. So long story short you get paid more for the back (odds bet) thus lowering the house edge because of true odds.
Jana Giraud pass line bet has 1.41% edge, odds has 0% edge...you average the two numbers together getting a number somewhere in between. The more money you have at 0% the more the average is weighted towards 0 vs 1.41 and thus a lower house edge closer to 0 than 1.41
Glad to see this video. I get tired of dealers telling me this is the "best deal in the house". Sure, if you have unlimited funds.
Exactly, Its the best deal FOR the house, if you don't have the bankroll, as a few bad rolls and they will have all your money.
@@ColorUp best deal in the house is you betting anything in the middle of the table. Especially thinking it's a "hedge". "Oh I'm gonna get a $7 ce to hedge to come out." No. You're dumb. "oh well it's the casinos money", no, pretty sure you could take the $7 to the cashier and they'd give you cash, so it's not the casinos money.
Had you paid the odds on that mistake, player B would have been even. You were the house, you knew the intent of the player, why not pay.
Let us know when you are heading to Vegas, I know I would like to meet you there. I know how to roll the dice.
Take care
Thanks for your great videos.
Ricardo Cortez Douglas I agree the house would be better customer service to pay there, but some just don’t. Player would have been at $325, which is up some, but still behind the zero odds player.
Really enjoyed this one. I've always been and odds truther, even in your comments, but was definitely interesting to see this one. Also a CO resident, so welcome and enjoy the $100 max bets in Black Hawk!
bruhkgb looking forward to black hawk! Max bet I can live with:)
Nice, I hope you enjoy Colorado, blackhawk is a little mini Vegas in the foothills
Blunt Trauma and $5 or less tables, my dream haha
A business man from Austin Texas who made annual pilgrimages to a Vegas Casino named Binion's Horseshoe bet like this. He would bet thousands, tens of thousands on the Pass or Don't pass. He won 4 years in a row. In 1985 he bet $1Million in the same manner and lost. He took his life in his room later that evening.
He claimed it was over the loss of a lover, not necessarily the gambling loss. here is an article about it. articles.latimes.com/1985-02-05/news/mn-4809_1_suicide-note
Thanks for this. I've never understood why people say to play max odds. Unless you can play for hours at a time and have a big bank roll it doesn't help much
Vincent Vladof it is useful if start lower and after wins you can begin pressing or increasing the odds with your profit, but to start at max? ....not necessary in my book
My primary strategy is to play the pass/come lines and the odds. I can't afford to max out but I generally go at least 2 times the line bet. I'm wondering if I shouldn't be varying my odds bet based on the odds of the point. And, if I do, do I bet heavier on the 6 and 8 than on the 4 and 10? Make more scores with less payout or fewer big hits?
Well it doesn’t really matter as far as what number you are adding odds to. They all get paid at true odds of rolling the number, 4/10 harder to roll yes, but get better compensated. It really comes down to what you feel like betting on, or maybe a “hunch” :)
whu wouldnt the point number dictate the max odd bet or bet on your odds . i mean 4 is alot harder than 8 or 6 ......... it would decrease your odds to play max odds on the 4 or 10 but it all depends on how lucky you feel also . feel vs odds
Could you do one like this but with the don't pass?
Great idea, I will put it on my long list :)
Where you at in CO? I'm going to Cripple creek Saturday to play at wild wood and triple crown
Up in a mountain town NW of Denver so Im closer to Black Hawk than Cripple Creek. Good luck this weekend!
It depends. Yes, mathematically, max odd will in the long run be better in the long run but you’ve gotta have the bankroll to do it. But locally, most of our commercial casinos are at least 20x odds so max odds there are difficulty unless you have a bankroll of $1000+. There is also an Indian casino that’s 3/4/5 odds, make more sense for maxing out odds there.
Try betting $5 on pass and don't pass.
When the point is established, lay maximum odds (or your maximum budget per number) on the don't pass.
I saw a guy playing *only* this strategy, no other side bets.
He started with $1000 and cashed out $7000 in about 15 minutes.
He told me that he only plays craps this way for a living.
His huge wad of $100 bills is proof that he is doing something right.
The fact is that the don't pass is at 8-to-3 disadvantage on the come out (also bet the pass as insurance), and at a huge advantage after the point is established.
The idea is to minimize your risk on the come out to establish a point for your don't odds.
Now you're playing very nearly true odds.
Use a positive progression betting strategy to increase your odds wager with profits as you win, and drop down to minimum when you lose a roll.
its a very low house edge way to play if the casino allows, not all do
I tried this in AC they shut you down play one ☝️ side. So anyway I just found a table with hop and hopped the 7 and played c+e for $2 and $1 12 on the come out. Investment Played $10 from the DONT pass. Investment on the come out roll is $16 everything covered. I came up fast but deviated from my strategy like I always do but I am going back and sticking to it. I just get caught up because I love the game and do not like a quiet table betting against the table... I have fun but just for monetary gain it's a good system..oh with max odds once the point gets established. I stand right next to the dealer and tell them how I work, some don't like it and act like they don't see my bet but again money talks
There are dice games in Florida you would have to go on the Casino Boats
I don't get how the amount of money betted affects the house edge?
BrianD0313 odds bet is at a 0% house edge that gets averaged with the pass line bet of 1.4% house edge, the more money bet at 0% the more the average moves closer to 0 and away or lower than 1.41
It only affects the payoff amount, it doesn’t affect the odds of winning or losing the point. You can bet 10,000X odds, and there’s still going to be six ways to roll a 7 and fewer ways to roll the other numbers.
That’s why it’s a must to tip good because that new shooter @8:37 wouldn’t have to worry about that mistake on that 8 point.
I think same thing applies when playing the don't. I've seen players that max out don't odds when the point is an outside number only for it to hit and lose big.
P Wade applies both ways you are right. If you can afford the risk it’s great bet, if you can’t afford the large swings, better to not max odds
Just don't go too large on the odds against the 4 or 10. Odds on the don't side is really a scam if you're not careful. I usually always lay odds on the 5,6,8,9 although I don't lay heavy no matter what my flat bet is. It also depends how you are going along whether you're winning or not.
omg welcome to colorado my friend! Hope you enjoy your time in the state! See you any random sunday morning at The Isle.
Harlan Morgan the isle your favorite?
Hi love your video's but can you try avoiding the seven on a full table using hardway dice set? I would really appreciate it if you could because that's how I play and I would like to see your outcomes win more.
Thanks for watching, but sadly I cannot control the dice. I show average results so if you can avoid the 7,your results should be better :)
I only think it's a good idea to do max odds on a table that's winning me money. Not starting out with max odds! Am I wrong?
If point numbers are rolling early and you have max odds you will win more. If not rolling you will lose more. Its tough to tell when the table is about to "win you money" I personally feel more comfortable betting more when I have more money in my rail.
I wanna add that playing the odds to whatever amount is worth it, but only if the total risk between the line and the odds is equal to 1 unit of your normal bet. So if it's a $5 table and your normal bet is $10 then it's great to $5 pass and $5 odds (6 or the odd numbers), because that's still 1 unit to you. But if your normal bet is $5 and you put $5 pass and $5 odds, youre effectively risking 2 units per point. Risking the 2 units per point is then wiping out the advantage that the odds were supposed to give you.
I like how you at least mentioned to bet the pass/don't with the minimum and use any other amount to bet odds.
So cool you are in Colorado now!! Welcome! Let's go "up the hill" sometime. I'd love to learn some more strategies from you!
Final result is actually $360 vs $315 because you didn't pay the $50. The whole point is to test it out, not say "I forgot so that side doesn't get paid." Similarly, if you rolled 7, I'd tell you take the $50 out of the rack to correct the test.
TruthSeeker either way it’s a $75 difference but even that doesn’t matter. The point of video is to say you don’t “have to play max odds” not to prove one way is better than other, so final results really are inconsequential. Thanks for watching and your feedback
I will say that one time you pulled the odds bet out of your "max odds" winning, but I get it... enjoy Colorado though. I lived there for 3 years and would love to go back!
Jeremy had to, “always play max odds” and had none left
I usually play at a $10 table with 3x4x5x odds. I have often seen players play the pass line with no odds and no other bet! What you're forgetting is that a player taking max odds is not going to have the line bet as his only bet. He will have place bets, or as in my case, come bets. On the rolls you showed I would have made a killing on the come bets! Plus, it's a lot more exciting when you have money spread around than simply waiting for one number or a seven to appear. At least, that's the way I look at it.
Hey, Welcome to Colorado!! I am a native of CO, love playing up in Blackhawk...
Well hopefully I will get to see you out there some day.
Where in Florida did you live?
Naples
@@ColorUp I grew up in Miami, wife grew up in Ft Walton Beach.
Been near Dallas, Tx since 1988. But always go back to Fla to visit.
Where are you in Colorado? Do you go to Blackhawk?
I live up in the Rockies, so Blackhawk would be my "local casino" yes.
Nice, I'm in the Denver metro area in Aurora. It's a nice drive there but scary at the same time
@@devinjackson9265 Aurora, ok, Im at the airport at about twice a week.
You fly that much, or is there a casino there? I've never noticed if there is
@@devinjackson9265 No casino, I fly a lot for work.
I play points and on 45910 start with 30 odds ( 10 dollar table ) on 6-8 I start with 50 ( 10 x max odds ) play 10 in the field and use the field to press my odds ….
Another great video. I really enjoy your method of showing betting strategies with some random rolls and a set bankroll. All the places around me (Oregon) only offer 3,4,5x odds so if you count the pass line bet it's the same as a place bet. If you accept video ideas, I'd like to see more videos comparing two strategies like this one - maybe iron cross vs a basic pass with odds bet. larger don't pass vs a small pass bet with more in odds.
You said you’re in Colorado? Do you play in blackhawk?
A couple times, but haven't got a chance lately since moving up here oddly enough
You took the words right out of my mouth. Anyone saying you're an idiot for not betting max odd is living in a vacuum, and more than likely just a internet troll. The reality is most people who learn what they know about gambling from the internet, specifically craps, doesn't understand the totality of how a game plays in the long run. There are two HUGE factors people are not implementing into their flawed logic. 1- Exposure to you bankroll(decisions per hour) is a much bigger killer than making the exact best mathematical bets. 2- With utilizing the free odds bet in craps you actually get diminishing returns, as far as lowering the house edge, with every additional unit you have in play.
Not very many people watched this video, and I feel its important information to know.
@@ColorUp The views are low on this video for the same reason why vegas is still around. Also, unsuccessful people fear change
I play craps to have fun. I understand the math and reasoning behind the bets and everything. I go with 200 bankroll and even if a shooter is doing well I never feel comfortable betting to much I just really enjoy playing. Also my gf and I will be in blackhawk CO end of next week for some craps fun!
Mark Crump basically how I approach the game personally as well, not sure when I’ll get to black hawk, I’m not far, just busy... good luck on coloring up next week!
I love craps, and I've been watching your channel for the last couple weeks to sharpen my skills. I love your channel, the video quality and non-bias practice are much appreciated. I live in Albuquerque, where about in Colorado did you move too? Maybe we can hit some tables sometime.
Zachary VanDyke I moved up into the mountains...I’m looking to visit Albuquerque, I hear very favorable rules
Horseshoe in Tunica Mississippi had 100X odds at one time, but supposedly withdrew it. But Horseshoe started 10X odds and when everyone else followed, Horseshoe went to 20X and so did everyone else, and probably Tunica had the best odds in dice anywhere in the country (but dunno what it’s like now).
Yeah, smaller markets like that usually have better table conditions.
In one simple sentence, since player has a finite amount of money maximum odds increases volatility
U are so right here on vegas Cromwell casino have 100 adds and not body bet it
Yeah, its good publicity for them, thats about it. It's the "best bet" and people still don't do it.
By not playing max odds a person can cover more numbers and increase the chances of collecting on those numbers. The 7 always has the potential of coming before any point . Player B might get better comps than player A . Keep the comps just give me the black chips !
You are right, bank roll size should determine how much you bet but this is like saying the guy betting on a 50/50 coin flip should not wager his life savings on the outcome. For a better test you should make a betting unit comparison. Compare 5x odds with placing 5 numbers. This is why people harp on maximizing odds. Lets say you bet $60 per established point, $10 on pass and inside number place bets with an average house edge of 2%. Let's say You get through 12 points/hr. 5x odds has the expected loss of $10x12x1.41% +600 x0% = $1.70/hr expected loss. If you don't take the odds and use the place bets ..... $60x12x2% or $14.40/hr expected loss. On a weekend Vegas trip with 20hrs of gambling you are expecting losses of $34 for pass line 5x odds or $280 for no odds and place bets! It may be boring but it really does add up..... Err disappear more slowly :)
Shawn Davis this is not a video comparing place bets to odds bet, obviously one has significant lower edge or cost to play. This compares odds to odds, and shows You don’t have to max your odds.
@@ColorUp I just find the test misleading. You are trying to test the statement "you should always maximize your odds". The answer is YES if you are comfortable with making a higher wager per established point. This will give you the best expected outcome compared to any other bet you can make. Any casino game where you are betting 5x less than the other guy will show less volatility to your bankroll no matter what the house edge is. You could also test by betting the enitre initial bankroll of A and B and comparing the results.
In the video I say yes max odds if you can withstand the variance in your bankroll. In the short term you will win more if the dice cooperate. But long term your expected lose is the same 1.4% of the amount bet on the line. Thanks again for your opinion that my video is misleading, but I disagree.
If the objective of the video is to show the odds pay versus no odds just pay even though you forgot it on the 8 point. We all know who play craps know you won’t get paid if the bet is not down. Doesn’t matter if you placed odds 100 times. Dealers don’t know if you forgot or just don’t want to place odds. Certain numbers like 6 and 8 have the best chances so better off placing odds. 4 and 10 pay better and 5 or 9 save your money in my opinion. If your lucky the dealer might remind you of an odds bet not put down but I’ve never seen them pay if you forgot and the chips aren’t on the table. My experiences.
Damon Grimes I didn’t pay the 8, because typically they wouldn’t , but I have seen them pay out forgotten bets. They call over the pit, explain he’s been playing this way for last couple hours and they pay him. It’s good customer service. A few bucks to keep a good player happy.
The BlackHawk and Central City casinos I frequent have 10X and 20X odds. Will need to pay attention to the other tables regarding odds. As in Vegas, these types of odds appear to be gear for low rollers like us. It would seem reasonable to press to max odds after your bets are paid for unless there is bankroll to support from the get go.
Most tables are $5. Some $3 tables. One $2 table Monday through Thursday.
The Monarch's table is the only one to pay triple on 12 in the field.
How about a craps report for the Colorado casinos?
beardown1995 thanks for info...you know a Colorado casino review is coming !
What part of Florida you from? I live in Deerfield Beach!
AltCoin Dann I lived in Naples for about 20 yrs
Color Up Nice, yeah casino near me only have bubble craps! Lol I still play though! 😀
AltCoin Dann yep I played bubble in FL from time to time, but I get to travel a lot, so I saved my bankroll for real dice
Color Up I will go out on the Victory Cruise in Cape Canaveral to play real Dice! It's about a three hour drive but worth it! I've had good rolls there!
AltCoin Dann I’ve never been on a cruise yet, it’s on my to do list:)
there's a misconception that adding odds decreases the money lost, it does not. I have a mathematics degree and I had the same misconception when I started playing (which was not long ago). Many times you don't realize something until someone tells you. While the house edge on the overall bet goes down, the expected value (in terms of dollars) stays the same. On one video you said "it's just a multiplier, it makes you win bigger and lose bigger" and that's actually exactly the truth. It does decrease the house edge of the overall bet but because you can only add to the minimum pass line bet, it will always have the same expected value as a minimum pass line bet. The only truth is that if you are going to bet somewhere else on the table, you are better off using the money to max your odds first.
What I like to do (as a very low roller on a $10 table) is put a $10 pass bet, plus $10 odds. Then for a point other than the 6 or 8, I'll put $12 on either the 6 or 8, or both depending on my bankroll. It is mathematically inferior to using it towards odds, but it gives me more table action which increases fun which is why I'm there. It is my balance between having fun+more table action and making smart bets. If I was a high roller and had hundreds of dollars to blow, my strategy would be the following. I also play this when I play for fun online craps games. By the way if anyone knows any good ones, please let me know. The best one I found still doesn't have a fully functioning buy/place bet system.
My strategy with $500-1000 bankroll:
First, I would still play at a $10 table. (or $5 if that's available, never been to one in northeast) I would play minimum pass line bet, plus maximum odds. So around $40-60. Then I would place the 6 and 8. Because I have max odds I feel comfortable sacrificing the house edge of making those bets. I would find a table that does buy bets vig on win, and buy the 4,5, 9, and 10. Now that I think about it, I think I'd rather have a bigger passline with odds bet to buy those numbers because I want them to be less than other bets and I'd need them to be $20+. Anyways with a high bankroll, then I might throw a dollar on each hardways for the fun of it because your video made me like hardways. I would not place the 5 and 9 under any circumstances, I don't like the house edge on those numbers.
Anyways, I don't think any low roller like me should have any incentive to max odds. I play $10 odds with a $10 pass line bet, and maybe make a minimum place bet on the 6 and 8 if the point is outside so I can have more fun. Max odds DOES NOT HELP YOU. You have to remember an even money bet is still even money. It does not provide a positive benefit to you.
Correct. Both players whether zero odds or max odds will lose 1.4% of whatever they have on the line bet. theoretically any odds bet should break even over time winning or losing you nothing. In short term it’s a good way to take advantage of variance as their is no “fee” to make the bet.
Mathematically in this scenario, aren't both hypothetical players exactly the same, except odds guy has higher volatility? They are the same on the pass line bet, and the odds bet is going to zero out over time and many trials. Not sure why these hypothetical players would see much difference in what they are doing.
There is zero difference between players. That’s point of video, so many claim you need to maximize odds, but mathematically in the end both players will lose 1.4% of whatever they have bet on the line.
I would argue that if you don’t have the bankroll to make a 5x bet on the odds of the pass line you probably shouldn’t be buying in on that particular table. You basically just said if you bet more you risk more. I love the content though man keep it up.
That’s a good argument. The truth about odds though, doesn’t matter if you take odds or not. No odds or 100x odds in the end you will lose 1.4% of whatever your line bet amount is. If you can afford to put more money into the game, and get on a lucky streak it works out. Otherwise you are just putting more money into the game to potentially lose. I do agree about using 5x odds as a minimum though, But only because an equivalent size place bet pays more unless at least 5x odds.
You should make a video of your favorite strategy to play craps with at the casino
Manh Huynh well it changes constantly, not sure I have a favorite :)
Maximum odds is only fun short term? If I wanna play for an hour it's probably the worst stat. If I only have 5 minutes it could be exciting.
I’m off to Vegas next month for 4 nights. I have played craps before and had some success at the Monte Carlo over 8 nights, came out about $400 up after all was said and done for the week. Which considering the amount of booze me and the Mrs got through was a big win lol
Anyway, between you and Bonethrower I now have many more betting strategies at my disposal and I am looking forward to trying some out.
One question, I know you buy the 4 and 10 at $25 why not the 5,6,8,9 ?
Thanks and keep it up ! I would like to see you do some live throws at a casino.
Frankyutube with the 5/9 and 6/8 the house edge is lower with place bets vs buy in most cases, so it would be to your disadvantage to make buy bets. With the 5/9 you can get a lower house edge with the buy if the vig is collected only on the win instead of upfront, but not all casinos do that and not all casinos even allow a buy on the 5/9. With the 4/10 it’s always more advantageous to buy instead of place. Some casinos allow buy bets with less than $25 bet, but that’s most common, always ask, you might be able to buy as low as $10
Color Up Cheers dude ! Now I know. I should have a budget of about $650 a day and $2k on the Saturday as the table prices are bound to be high.
Frankyutube limits will definitely be higher in Vegas on Saturday nights...good luck on coloring up!
You are correct that a casino would NOT pay odds if you forgot to put down odds. But this is an example. Similar to how a dealer cannot hit over 17, even if they accidentally do, the integrity of the game means that they don't, and any accidental hit is burned. You should have maintained the integrity of the example by paying the max odds, because that's what the rule was.
Fredrick Allen integrity of the example? It’s a simple craps video not a scientific experiment, just add the amount of odds to total and viola
@@ColorUpYou said player A did better. Only by $5 if you had stayed within the confines of the rules. Treating the mistake like a live game added nothing to the video and was disingenuous. The video isn't about remembering to place your bets. It's a comparison of two betting styles.
Not claiming it was a "scientific experiment" or anything. Just criticizing your decision to not fix the mistake (even in post-production). I watch a lot of your videos and this one stuck out as sloppy and simply inaccurate compared to your normal videos.
Fredrick Allen well thanks for the feedback but this video wasn’t about proving that playing 0odds is better...it’s not better. As you pointed out though player A still would have won. The point of video is just to say that you “don’t have to play max odds” and the fact player A was even close and in this case even came out ahead confirms the point. None of my videos are about “what is better way” as there is no better. Just depends how the dice roll and how you like to play.
You were just trying to show the difference between the systems, so you should have paid the odds on the one where you forgot to put up the odds ... unless you assume players are going to forget at least once a session. The final did not reflect the full odds strategy result.
also if you dont add the first roll twith the second the odds do not even out., since hiting a point is harder than a 7. The disadvantage isnot reduced., hitting points is luck and has nothing to do with odds.
Casino royal used to have $1 craps 100xodds
You are missing the point totally.
You use the free odds, not as a way to increase the bet, but as a overall bet.
With single odds, bet $5 pass and $5 odds for a overall $10 bet.
Double odds:
$3 dollar on the line and $6 on odds.
You do have to bet more than the typical $5 bet, bet if you are prepared to increase the bet to $10 with odds, the PC is dropping down .8 percent with single odds and .6 percent with double odds which means your bankroll will last twice or trice the amount of time and can if you have a lucky streak, win you a bundle of money.
The only bets to bet on in craps is:
pass or dont pass with free odds and come and don't come with free odds.
All other bets is sucker bets.
Systems?
Hedging?
Insurance?
There is no such things in the casino games.
Stick to the low percentage bets and if you win you win.
If you lose, you lose, but it will not hurt your wallet more than your bank roll.
most tables will be 3-5x odds. max odds on the 4&10 would be 3x, 5&9 would be 4x, 6&8 5x. So I wonder if that would of helped player B's chances
Kdon not sure “most” tables would be 3x4x5x odds, but a lot for sure...I think it may have helped lose a little less money this particular roll
A $300 bankroll for player A guarantees him 30 bets while Player B is only guaranteed 5. He would need an $1800 bankroll to play at the same comfort level as player A. So, the size of the bankroll is the question here, not the volatility. The volatility remains the same for both bettors, however Player B is over betting his bankroll by a very wide margin. Now, if you add a couple come numbers, that would increase the volatility of the game and require an even larger bankroll.
The odds bet in craps is the ONLY bet in the casino where the house doesn't have an edge. Use it comenserate with your bank roll. Well produced video however inconstant. I still subribe to and watch all of your stuff.
ktnotter that’s true and if you can afford the additional bet, you should make it for sure...thanks for watching
The argument should not be should I always take max odds. I agree taking max odds without the proper bank roll makes no sense. Really my argument would be when to increase my line bet. It only makes sense to increase my line bet once I have gone to full odds. Odds is the best paying bet on the table. Example. $10.00 line bet with $10.00 odds versus $20.00 line bet. Which pays better? I rest my case.
Last Tues night, I was playing this exact system, but not betting as much behind the pass line and I actually did pretty good in an hour of fun. I left the table with $35 to the good. Anyway, these two drunk dudes were playing at the end of the table and this one dude threw $10 in chips...two red chips out on the Yo at the same time the dice were in the air and the box-woman reluctantly OK'd it while the dice were in play and it landed on the 11! LOL The one dealer was pissed...like it was his table that he had to pay him $150. The box woman was just beside herself and started in on the guy about placing late bets. Interestingly though....she accepted the bet but she didn't like the outcome..
Eric Boyles yeah not sure why some dealers take it personal like it’s their own money...they will win it back plus some soon enough...as far as late bets, the guy had a “feeling” ha, if he kept making late bets that’s annoying
Florida to Denver is quite the elevation change.
Ha, about 11,000 ft different :)
So is 5x odds actually a thing anywhere? I don't see the point in playing "max odds" that don't exist anywhere. I've seen the "normal" 3-4-5x, 10x, and 100x. When people say always play max odds I expect they mean at a typical 3-4-5x table. This video could be condenses to " always play the most odds allowed that you can afford. Even with a simple 5x odds pass bet, you have $60 on a roll which is not much different than any of the other "strategies" shown. The bottom line is, if you are already on the pass line for any amount, the odds becomes a 0% house edge bet. why wouldn't you bet as much as you can?
John Galt Line 5x is available all over the country, and as you mentioned 10x and 100x also available. I just happened to choose 5x for this video example, as I rarely see people play more on those higher tables of 10 or 100x. Sure mathematically a good bet but realistically very few like, or can afford that risk.
Never seen 5x. Oh well. As for liking or affording, I suppose it depends on the player. Some folks like to play the field, or put money on big 6 and 8 instead of placing them. I prefer bets with good odds even if they are slow and boring. if there is a bet with better than a 0% house edge, let me know so I can go play it.
John Galt Line yep everyone likes to play different and why I love craps so much, playing the odds at 0% doesn’t increase chances a winning number will roll and why short term anybody’s method can work. Long term your style of play should win out over players that player higher edge bets.
While playing odds doesn't increase your chance of winning, it also doesn't lower them, unlike any other bet you could make with that same money. The over all point is, whatever else you want to put money on, you should put it on odds first if you are already on the pass line anyway.
On a 345x table my normal play is something like min-bet on pass, max odds, and place the six and eight. If I have the bankroll for it I'll place the number opposite the point. I find that a lot of the tables that offer 10x are also $5 minimums, so my odds usually cost the same weather it's 10x $5, or 5x$10. I'll get loose with the betting once I'm on casino money, and tighten up when playing with my own stack.
So you’re in Colorado now? Here’s a short video of what you can expect in Blackhawk.
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Interesting. Thanks for the head-to-head.
Hi Color Up. You have nice videos and demonstrations. You should have continued with paying out the odds. If you forgot to put them down, so what. Just correct yourself and then put them down. Its not a real game. The whole debate about whether a casino will or will not pay you if you forgot to put the odds down is irrelevant to the point of the video. Don't lose track of what the video is about, no odds vs. maximum odds. You didn't have to worry about whether you should put them down and pay or not pay. Of course put them down. We forgive you. Lol. That is the whole point of the video , no odds vs. max odds. That's why people are watching the video.. Its nice you are trying to keep it as close to a real game as possible and follow the correct procedures etc.. but in this case we forgive you.
Thanks for the feedback.
Not a bad video just a bit on the exaggerated side... The idea of full odds is only really on the 6 & 8 and sometimes on the 5 & 9 but the 4 & 10 being mathematically harder to roll you never put full odds on them. Also if your not playing the other numbers then you either have very little cash or don't know how to play craps. You should always put a place bet on the 6 & 8. If you can afford it then also place the 5 & 9. Play the numbers for 5 or 6 rolls then pull your money. Even with the bad rolls you had you would have still made money and had a bit more fun and excitement. Glad to see you are somewhere you can play on a real table hope you don't shake and roll in the casino.
James Howard do I need to make a video on “always place the 6/8” ha kidding, that’s more of a preference by you which is fine if you like. I’m not a shake and roll guy, more a grab and chuck
We have a chuck-er at the table folks guard your money!!!....LOL
No Color Up you have already covered placing the 6 & 8 in earlier videos. Like the Place 6 & 8 for beginners...I have watched most of your videos and have learned a lot from you on how to play craps. I even try some of your betting strategies till I get the kinks worked out then adapt them to my play style. I do understand that you are going the minimalist route in your video but for some people they need the clarification otherwise they will always think one way about something. With the way this demonstration is done one would never place odds on any pass line bet. Also placing the 6 & 8 is not a preference of mine, it is a strategy that I learned from you and many others; so keep them coming I love to Color Up at the table.
Thanks for the comments...If someone stumbles on this video and doesn't watch any of my other videos, I can see your point for sure.
Well Dave, listen to this...The video was to see if someones suggestion to always place max odds on any point established was good advice or not. While you are correct in your calculations I was trying to point out that placing a max odds bet on the 4 or 10 was not mathematically a good idea. Yes, the house edge is lower and you get 2 to 1 instead of 9 to 5 on a payout. I guess I should have explained my statement a bit more. A lot depends on the table limits and how much cash you have. If you are at a $25 min bet table with 2X odds that's a $50 max odds bet on the 4 or 10. Since there is only 3 ways to roll a 4 or 10 the chances of hitting the point is almost 9% (compared to 11% for 5&9 or almost 14% for 6&8) You stand the chance of loosing a lot more money than you gain. (Unless the roller is hitting 4's and 10's a lot) I added the comment about adding place bets because the demonstration only involved the one single Pass Line bet with max odds. Had the place bets been utilized the player would have made money even with the bad luck on the max odds bets. We could go for hours on the different ways to play but this is COLOR UP's channel and I will let him have the pleasure of doing that. ps. Only with a shovel.
Love the Nexgen Pro Classics.
If run a experiment you should stick with the your parameters. B was always max odds. Who cares you forgot to place it. It was $5 difference with the flat edging out max odds. But max odds when ahead could have been a better pullout and walk away. But fir how you played it "A" won by 5.
Love your videos. Keep them coming
Nick D'Andrea thank you for watching
If player B also did a come bet with max odds it would have made bank on the first 2 rolls. Roll 1 you hit 10 twice and same with 9. I haven't even watched all the video yet, but if you combined a come bet with max odds B would have killed it.
So the odds player Should have had $315 (you forgot odds once) and that was on an ice cold table. I agree with you though. Whatever you are gonna play, place the minimum (although I prefer the don't pass) and then place the rest in odds, whether or not that is max odds.
Why would you play those odds on a 4? Mathematically it’s a terrible bet on the odds. I like the 3,2,1 on the pass line odds. 3x for a 6 or 8 2x for a 5 or 9 and 1x for 4 and 10.
The Odds pay at the true chance of rolling the number. You may not like the 4 or 10 and thats fine, but mathematically it is a true fair bet, not a terrible bet. You get paid 2-1 for the 4 because its twice as likely to roll a 7 so you get paid according to the risk. Its the same with the 5/6/8/9 the Odds pay according to the risk versus the 7.
I never go higher than 3x odds and I start with minimum bets on all numbers and collect&press them up to 3x (4x if it's a hot shooter). Based on the rolls you had before the table went cold, all those numbers you rolled would have given back more than either player.
TonesTheGeek sounds good!
Then you are missing making money on hot rolls. Start with 3x odds win and boost ton4
5 x. Then win and boost to 7.5. Win and boost to 10. You are boosting you odds Betts taking half the winning and boosting with winnings
I play w/ a whale. Brings 200K with him each time. We play at a 10X table. He usually starts at 5X and feels it, will quickly go to max odds. Usually $100 on pass line w/ two to three place bets at $300 per #. Will do two com bets thinking one or two of the place bets will cover the odds. If not, he will move one of the place bets and move to the come. I have seen his total sometimes approach $8000 at any one time. May not sound like a lot considering his bankroll but he plays for hours. Very impressive. He wins many more times than he loses.
Wow congrats on the move.
skiie thank you, loving CO so far :)
Let me know when you play in black hawk i live in colorado and i work in a casino too , i like your videos thumps up
I will try to announce the next time I head to BH. thanks for watching!
To make this more “fair” as player A I don’t put those $50 behind the PassLine bet because I would rather spread them on place bets.
Perhaps do this again but with BOTH players risking same amounts. Player A on place bets and Player B with his Max odds bet.
At the Casino I laugh at those who stand there with only a passline bet with Odds watching me collect on all my place bets while they hope the point hits.
You can laugh at them all you want, but if they don't have the bankroll, or just want to play the lowest house edge, then pass/don't pass, and come/don't come are the bets they'll make. Sometimes put bets if you can get 10x+ odds.
In the long run, they'll do better than you with all your other bets out.
It was an interesting experiment until you forgot to place your odds.
sorry
The way it went back and forth, your point kind of seems moot.
You just skewed the validity of your experiment by NOT paying the odds bet. You are conducting an experiment of always taking odds vs not.
Im not sure i would call it an experiment, its not very scientific, its just one session. Even if I did pay, the max odds still lost in this "experiment" The end result is not conclusive of anything, if I was hitting points then max odds would have won easily, it all just depends how the dice roll. My point I believe was proven either way, you do not "always have to play max odds"
Hey man I am trying to figure out the math on a strategy. I was wondering if you could help me as I dont know anyone to ask... I am not familiar enough with the payouts to get it to work out ..
Ok so I saw a strategy I really like but I cant remember how he had it set up, I know he has $1880 on dont come 4, with I think 270 on the hard 4, and 10 on each of the bets for like the crap bets so a total of $50 .. where I get confused is the place bets .. he was winning $28 on hitting a 7 and winning about $104 for hitting a place bet after minus losing the hard bet things... so I'm not sure
Yeah, sorry just not enough info for me to figure out, hopefully you can find it again and get the specifics.
I wish there was a better way for me to contact you lol .. ok so let me try to explain it again, when he wins on a place number he wins about $104 on the 5, 9, 10 and a little more on the 6 and 8 .. on a 7 he wins about $28 .. I know he has $10 on each of the 30 to 1 and 15 to 1 numbers, and he has I THINK $270 on the hard 4 .. so when you hit a place number you win the place bet but you lose all of the 30 to 1 and 15 to 1 numbers so whatever the place bet was minus those equals about $104 so I'm not sure what the correct place bet would be.. $100 maybe? Or more .. and then he has $1880 (this could be wrong, this is one of the numbers I'm trying to figure) on the dont come 4, so when he hits a 7 he wins the dont come 4 but loses everything else but still ends up with a +$28 win so that means the dont come covers everything on the board in case of a 7 correct? ... so if I can get the place number math and the dont come math right then I should have it .. at first I thought it was $1880 on dont come 4, $270 on hard 4, $10 on the 30 to 1 and 15 to 1 numbers and $100 on each place bet with $125 on 6 and 8 .. but hitting a 7 I believe was still a small loss .. so the only loss is the easy 4 or 3:1 roll and I know it's a big loss
Excellent example
IMO should have just paid the mistake. You're trying to showcase the differences between the two, and while mistakes can happen, enforcing your own mistake in a video seems a bit silly and counter intuitive to the point of the video.
Thanks for comment