Cpt Rex Phoenix - Who are the best? A DETAILED analytical review of the team - Don't over invest!!
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Captain Rex does AoE daze which means that Zeb's basic is stunning almost constantly
"Almost constantly" 😂😂😂 learn to use words properly before commenting
@@Dave-mf6tj I didn't use any words incorrectly. What are you talking about?
@@Dave-mf6tjI don’t think you understand English
good point about zeb
I believe you should just take Ezra and Sabine out to get the most tanky Phoenix team if it’s a defensive team Ezra is more for offense same with Sabine
very surprised to see you chose ezra in there I still think he's the weakest link for the whole team with rex in there now. you didn't mention it.. but remember that rex is dazing the whole enemy team so zeb's assists are stunning constantly which can be huge for controlling a battle. I do agree that kanan is very good for the squad though so for me I think depending on the senario I would have to choose between zeb, sabine and kanan for those last 2. Great analysis! I have been loving this squad. Mine are basically all at g12 and in last 5v5 GAC Hera, Chopper, Rex, Zeb, Kanan got me like 8 defensive holds. I'm a huge Rebels series fan also so it's super fun having this squad be given new life in the game!
Have you used rex on offense at all in gac? I’m thinking of bringing mine all up to g12 but I wanted to know what they’d beat first
@marckunzinger1061 I only did for a few matches cuz I wanted to let my opponents drop battles to tell me what they could beat. They consistently beat JTR, imperial troopers and mandos. Those 3 I can say from experience but they beat way more. The only opponents who beat my phoenix had to use a full relic JKR team to beat them.
I will say that I think while they're still a very new squad throwing then on defense has more value because your opponent is going to underestimate them or have to use something decent to beat them. On defense they even timed out a savage omi.
what is your rexs gear level? is he g12 too?
@ardahansraystanl987 no he's only 4 stars g11
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
I was trying to find a video like this yesterday. Thanks for the great video bro
I understand why you feel this way about the team however, i believe the sabine zeb variant is far superior. Firstly, it has WAY more tm control. Secondly, it has more survivability through zeb. Thirdly, statistically speaking the zeb sabine variant is objectively better. The win rate is just much much higher
with out two tanks wampa seems to have decent success with the team.
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
Good stuff, thanks!
Thank you a lot! Farming GL Leia and yeah I was thinking what Phoenix squad to build after that. Super super super actual and detailed explanation!
Glad I could help!
Absolutely love the in depth analysis and great visual charts and graphic to easy display data comparisons... you are a vital part of the SWHOG community, and for that I thank you sir. My only minor request theres a way to have the play bar divided into section with labels, would be super helpful to snap to specific sections of videos I need info on (aka in this video snapping to the sabine/ezra comparison... hera and rex the goat... real ones already know ;).
Good stuff G-man never disappointing unless stated be yourself
Fantastic Job thanks alot
No problem 👍 Hope it helped in some way :)
Super helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
thx so much!
You seem like a really cool guy. Awesome video
Ha! Thanks so much.
You should do that with Imps and Ewoks... great content!!
Love this video! How would do Phoenix compare to something like a Padme squad for pve?
I think part of it depends on whether it's for offence or defence, I think Chopper is mandatory regardless, but for offence I'd usually pick Sabine and Zeb, as Zeb doing a basic twice isn't an issue with the sheer amount of assisting done, and sabine just stops opponents getting a turn.
Defensively, I'd be tempted to just not use Sabine or Ezra, go for full sustain to push timeouts (moreso on GAC than TW, as with Hera omi you'll eventually just smack too hard for it to get to time)
I've been blitzing my rex up during these drop events, got like 70 shards to 7*, hoping for that little bit more during double drops.
Thanks for the video, good to see phoenix getting some love finally.
Ya, I think you're very right. Of course, I'm also looking at viability beyond phoenix and Zeb / Sabine (especially Zeb) has no real use. So for limited resource accounts, I'd have to pass on them.
Do they have a preferred turn order or maybe just who should go first?
nice vid
that's a well earned 'like' - thank you
Nah, thank you! :) Appreciated.
Nice thx
Any time
Great video and all, but your hair is just amazing
I think it depends on which team you’re versing. I definitely agree with Hera, Rex and Chopper being the core 3 but depending on who you’re versing determines who you put in the other 2 spots
I have Kanan at relic 8 and then I have Hera, Chopper, Ezra and Zeb at relic 5 then Sabine at 3! I’m still working on getting Rex to 7 star free to play but I have his and Hera’s omicron already and it’s one of my favourite teams since I love rebels
Great video. The link for discord doesn't work for me though, says it might be expired. Is it a permanent link?
Only thing I’d note. With kanans zeta he grants all pheonix allies 50% tm not just the ally with the foresight. That’s why him and chopper pair so will together. With good rng kanan will constantly use this special
Dont tell the other youtubers, but your starting to be my favorite hahaha. Although i do feel swgoh has a pretty good group of youtubers to choose from. I do watch pretty much each of your videos as soon as i see them.
I appreciate the feedback, really do! Thanks so much. Let me know what I can do even better :)
Any chance we can get a mod video for pheonix like you did with rogue one? Also thanks for the info I just got all of pheonix to G12 and was curious who to further invest in.
That sounds like a great idea! :) I'll add it to the list.
Excellent as usual. Any guide on modding them
Eventually I'll do a per character or faction mod guide, but on the last slide I do show which sets I recommend. It's near the very end of the vid. Sorry, it's 23 minutes long! LOL
Phoenix has always been on of my favorite teams because of the amazing synergy. Glad to see them come roaring back to relevance. And that they can take out inquisitor teams is just *chef's kiss*
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
I may watch this video twice. I've been enjoying thinking about using this team before activation.
Phoenix is so much fun now and very flexible. Don't rely just on my opinion though, as many people have different ideas on who to run and mod! LOL Glad I helped inspire though :)
Cool!
Yeah.. I was thinking about Zeb at first, his possible Daze and Stun are cool; I was thinking about Sabine at first, her possible Shred is great.
But I have a wicked Chopper. And when I saw a couple vids I saw people considering Ezra - and mine is Awesome!
I appreciate the points of view (no quote intended) and now that we're chatting, your delivery.
haha. Neat thing is, Rex makes almost any Phoenix lineup work. If you already have those units geared, you can run with them and do a lot of good in GAC or TW. No need really to invest in the others at this point.@@vitamind7392
Something else I like about Rex is his early game viability. I started a fresh account a few days ago and he is my 2nd best character for damage(1st is dark trooper of course)
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
I do like zeb in the team. After rex uses the aoe daze he assists bc of rex unique he can stun the target with the basic keeping most targets under control. If you keep spamming specials you can stun the entire team
How do you get past tanks like Malak, Geo Brute or Kenobi with Sabine / Zeb? just kill them? ha! :)
@@thegerbil23zeb usage for stuns doesn't require sabine, you can stun opponents with only rex aoe. I use that lineup will all of my phoenixes are at gear 8-9 and it helps to control stronger opponent teams
@@thegerbil23 that's true it I sacrifice attack power for more board control
@@thegerbil23chopper/ezra is still an option no? How does using Zeb prevent u from having a buff dispel in ur team?
Thank you for the video. You probably spent a lot of time to make it.
Is there anything in the phoenix kit that makes it so placement matters?
I noted that your said that both Ezra and Kanan work great in other teams specifically Jedi ... That sounds more like a reason not to use them in q pheonix team. I'm actually planning on adding Ezra and Kana to a new Jedi team once i get Jedi Knight Cal. Along with Bastila Shan and another Jedi. Leaving Sabine and Zeb for Phoenix.
Regarding Sabine's demolish, when someone says for each (whatever) ally ... This wording allows you to count the character themselves right? So for a full team of Phoenix, that means + 15% * 5 pheonix allies + 15% * 1 mandalorian allies for a total of +90% extra damage right?
Not s sarcastic comment just asking for clarification
Zeb's basic stuns off daze which rex also inflitcs on an AOE why is it any different from sabine?
I think some of the things to consider with Zebine: Rex gets multiple boosts from high crit change, but you don't necessarily want to spec into that. Additionally Ezra's offense ramps over time, whereas Sabine is a boost off the cuff. For special 2, the armor shred is a unique ability that isn't duplicated throughout the phoenix squad, whereas zeb, chopper and hera have buff dispels. For special 2, if sabine is faster than rex and has decent potency, you can very rapidly put out staggers and pop them turn one. Zeb also provides more stuns, more protection recovery (which is more important from a GAC perspective than health)
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
@@nhsofficial7953 rex special ability triggers it
@@circa1919 Really?? If i uprade that ability to 6 level will that work?
This was exactly the type of video I was looking for but I was hoping for more info on specific counters, I'm basically a week or so away from 7 star Rex and want to have a 5v5 GAC team ready to counter some high level teams.
I don't really care about the minimal benefit outside of the team, it's all pretty marginal apart from Sabine right now who is useful in Kryaat.
Really not 100% sold on Ezra here after looking at the limited 5v5 data from GAC
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
Shouls also note that Sabine gives you the option to dish out Armor Shreds, Ezra doesnt, and there's the AOE stagger + Rex AOE combo with the right modding
Yep, posted a new vid today where I discuss both of those and thank the viewers for your feedback and help seeing that combo. :)
Thank you for this I just started farming phoenix and Ive been doing it wrong, Ive been farming Hera Ezra Kanan Sabine and captain rex. I'm trying to farm the best phoenix team from the start so i need to drop sabine for chop.
It's very debatable. Many people will say Sabine is better, and might be in some situations. Really, you're not gonna go wrong with Sabine, but yes, Chopper is a MUST have. Either Ezra or Sabine will both be good. I just really prefer Ezra for the unity and viability beyond Phoenix.
is that in your video a GAC fight? Phönix vs LV Vader RG Piett Maul ? Oder Squad Arena?
and that team has no DC right? - I tested it in GAC today. No Damage on RG. The oppenent had Thrawn in start instead of Piett
I used to run CLS, Sabine, and Zeb in 3v3… a long time ago. It was fun. Offense only.
A follow-up comment, but if you have Sabine in there, modding her for Potency and get her speed 1 higher than Captain Rex, when you throw out the mass Staggers, Rex will reduce everyone’s TM, which is why I’m sure so many people have her in the squad.
That is indeed a great strategy, and not one I had considered!! thanks for the share. It really shows how much depth the game has to consider so many variables.
How to get bonus attack in Phoenix team after using a special ability of a character of phoenix team
My biggest gripe with how good the Phoenix Squadron is: my poor ACKBAR SQUAD!!
I had the team down to a science with omiAckbar, Stormtrooper Han, omiPrincess Leia, Bistan, and Ezra. Bistan was 330+ speed, and thanks to tm-gains (Bistan's special, Ackbar, St.Han), and tm-removals (Bistan, St.Han) you could get around 12 turns before the opponent would act.
Then Sana Starros came along and STOLE my St.Han from Ackbar, making me reform Ackbar's team to: omiAckbar, omiLeia, Chopper, Hera, Ezra. Lots of cooldown refreshes from the Phoenix squad, still capable of punching up quite a bit.
Now Phoenix are amazing, and my poor omicron-Ackbar has no friends to play with!
Would love to know how you're doing the Rebels these days!
I don't think you need an attacker with the datacron or in tw since the stacking makes such a big difference
You might be very right! Just hard for people with limited resources or younger accounts to invest in a team without an attacher or datacrons. :(
I’m assuming R5 on Rex is mandatory. What are the other recommended relic levels?
R7 for leia requirement
Good breakdown, as always. Flexibility is key, so I'll probably take six of them to relic (sorry, Zeb).
Ha! If you can spare the resources, then I agree this is the way. Sabine is really good in Krayt raid, but as that's on the way out.... I did not mention it. I think she's a good character, so not a bad idea. Zeb... I love him... just not in the game. :(
@@thegerbil23 It would be nice if they applied the rebel fighter tag to Zeb. I think he could find some utility there.
The question is. So Hera passes uniques around. So does Ezra's offense boost get gained by all other allies adding a lot of bonus offense?
With Ezra on the team everyone effectively gets a bonus 40% offense
Why does my Phoenix squad not assist eachother?
I love the idea of getting relics for both jedi . I was afraid i was going to have to relic zeb & sabine. Excelent video as always my friend
I have Crex, hera, chopper, sabine, zeb. Modded sabine to go before rex. Rex aoe procs stagger and then inflicts daze. Zeb keeps everyone under control with stuns. This has been the most successful with Reva, zorii and can pretty consistently take out LV teams although it's not 100%.
Love it, such diversity in game play with this squad!
I disagree with the whole Ezra Sabine and the Kanan Zeb thing in my testing with full r7 phoenix is that Sabine is the best 5th option in most matchups. I’m 12m gp I fight nothing but big dogs. Also in MC/MAW alliance. Especially where they matter most like vs Zorii or Reva. The core 4 imo are Hera, Rex, Chopper, and Sabine. With the Kanan or Zeb subbed in for when they are needed for certain matches. In most cases I find Kanan and Ezra are the ones left out. Problem with this new team is that there is not a definitive 5. Bc each one brings something to the table for certain teams. They will all be interchangeable. The only 3 that will be constant with be Hera, Tex, and a chopper. I prefer Zeb and Sabine the aoe stagger followed up by Rex aoe dazing them is a great start to any battle then Zeb following up with assist stunning them constantly is huge.
As you said, you fight "nothing but the big dogs.", and I really had the mindset of newish to mid gamers who are looking to max their resources early on. I think the Sabine argument is solid, and can be very very good, but I still prefer Ezra for the debuf and utility. But the other thing you said "each one brings something to the table..." is so try, this is a a VERY flexible team. :) Poor Zeb just has no use outside of the team, so for early players he is a tougher investment whereas Kanan is plug and play in Jedi till you get that / those squads up and running too in other events.
I just love adding zeb to the team after rexs aoe each zeb attack stuns the target bc ten. Down. B4 zetas zeb>kanan
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haha! I can't bring myself to farm him.... just can't do it.
The comments here are worth their weight in gold. Worth watching the video first, then watch while reading comments ;)
Also, armor shreds are rare, so that's one big reason to gear up Sabine. Scamquest likes Sabine.
I would argue that phoenix could be a death by a thousand cuts kind of team.zeb individually can do more damage than both Sabine and Ezra, you just have to mod him for crit damage. The protection recovery will be better for gac if zeb is treated like the damage dealer. You’d still want potency on him as well for the consistent stuns of course. I think the indefinite team could be Hera, crex, chopper, kannon, zeb. I do feel like stun locking a team negates the need for stagger.
And this is what I love about the squad, there are so many variants. This team is way more flexible than most teams for sure. :)
Ezra over zeb ? Ngl this sounds more like a defence squad .. i wanna use my phoenix on offence in 5v5. And i m pretty sure depending on which squad i m facing i might have to switched between 4&5
Is this the same Gerbil that was in ANZGC?
You've stumped me.... anzgc? probably not... but maybe? I'm bad with acronyms
@@thegerbil23 It must be another Gerbil when i was in that particular Aussie guild. Since you said you were living in China, and on far east TZ, i figured it might be you. Either way thanks for your informative videos. Always a big help and huge time saver for me. I'll certainly share your videos around.
I barely anything left to upgrade anymore so phoniex it is to relic lol
I’ve been debating which 5 to focus on, like many others, so I very much appreciate this conversation. I feel like you glossed over Sabine’s armor shred a bit. Isn’t it valuable to the entire team for helping to burn down tanks and other thick opponents? Thoughts?
I prefer to go around tanks, so reducing enemy's armor by x% to me is less valuable than removing the taunt, which Ezra and Chopper do.... of course some auto taunt and get it back, so maybe. Others are pointing out something I did not realize, is to make Sabine 1 speed faster than Rex, so that she AoE Staggers, then Rex AoE's and strips their turn meter. Great tactic and I did not realize that..... still, it's debatable. Zeb though... to me he's a no no sadly cause I love the character.
@@thegerbil23 what are your thoughts on a hera, Rex, chopper, Sabine, kanan team?
I think Kanan is plug and play no matter what, but Zeb has a much much better synergy with Sabine that would be a shame to lose if you run her. I just posted a new vid talking about Phoenix modding and I review some things I overlooked in this vid, or things I did not even know. Hope it helps.@@PapaShua247
nice analysis. i have all the recommended @ 5 star except CREX. wasn't sure if I needed to farm SAB or ZEB. whether it proves out or not it's a solid starting point. thanks.
Sabine over Zeb, 100%. I prefer Ezra over Sabine obviously, but there are great arguments for both! :)
Which 3 are better for 3’s
I always run Hera, Rex, Chopper. It gets hold after hold in my 4m GP alt, and my 11m main account in Kyber 2. That said, CT-Rex, Capt Rex and 5’s is an amazing 3v3 team also. If you go that route, 3v3 Phoenix just is not good without CRex.
Just to point out captain rex has a mass daze aofe that zeb can target to stun enemies
Ya, I did a follow up vid and posted some comments recognizing that. Had not fully fleshed out the Sabine 1st, Rex 2nd, Zeb assist strategy. It's very good!.
Pretty good analysis, but “the whole is more than the sum of the parts.” You overlooked a LOT of synergies in this team in favor of “who has the better unique? 1 point to kanan. Who has the better basic? 1 point to zeb.”
So basickly you are recomending the team we have to use in conquest. 😂
Funny how that works out? I think Sabine might be more effective for offense.... but due to limited resources and no need for her... I'm not trying it anytime soon. I also prefer them on Defense in TW and GAC, and they have been holding so much. Got 6 holds in TW last time!
I would have thought that you'd put Rex with clones in 3v3 GAC, since his omi is for clones in 3v3. I've heard Rex 5s Rex is pretty good. Of course that means your Phoenix are probably benched.
His omi is for clones in 3v3 and pheonix in 5v5
I meant in 3v3 specifically, edited my original comment to reflect that. I was commenting on what Gerbil said at 23:14.
Before this I was planning on:
Hera chopper rex kanan zeb
After watching I feel much better about my plan of keeping both Ezra and Sabine out
Also Sabine is my favorite... and if dragon raid was staying then I'd for sure use her.. but all she does in the team is damage.. which is the last of my concerns
Something I overlooked and a few others are pointing out , is to make Sabine 1 speed faster than Rex so that she AoE Staggers, then Rex does his AoE and strips all enemies of their turn meter. Great tactic and I did not realize that..... I'm still not sold, but maybe....
@thegerbil23 ohhh yes that's a strong opener ty
Indeed! :) @@phixidelta
I can’t think of a better option than having Hera and Rex as the two you exclude. You might even be able to beat an ugnaught team (unlikely)
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what about ezra out zeb in?
I think that would yield good defense, hoping for a time out sit in TW. But as Zeb has no other uses, I'd hate to invest in him just for that defense team.
I’m surprised you mentioned Rex with Phoenix in 3v3. That’s never happening.
And it does good! :) I also don't care much for clone troopers, I know, blasphemy right? LOL
10:25 "meaning they will hit weaker throughout the battle no matter what". This is wrong.
Stacking offence is not compound with itself. Although it is a %, it is an additive % with itself - that is you add the % together, you don't compound multiply them. Crit damage is also a %, and similarly additive with itself. However Offence % is MULTIPLICATIVE with Crit damage.
As offence % stacks additively, the relative benefit of 40% bonus from Ezra reduces, but the 25% crit damage bonus from Sabina remains stable relatively.
As offence stacks with the Hera TW omicron, the 25% crit damage bonus from Sabine gives more and more RELATIVE return compared to 40% offence bonus from Ezra.
The break even point between Ezra and Sabine if you have 150% Crit damage (without Sabine) is around 100% stacked offence (without Ezra).
If you have 240% Crit Damage (without Sabine) this break even point rises to around 300% stacked offence (without Ezra).
The more Crit damage from other sources you have then Ezra 40% becomes more and more effective relative to Sabine 25% CD.
The more offence % stacking you have from other sources (including Hera omi), then Sabine 25% Crit damage becomes more and more effective relative to the Ezra 40%.
An easier way to understand this: In an absurdly extreme scenario where Hera's omicron has stacked, lets say, 1,000,000 % offence. You almost certainly want Sabine's Crit Damage bonus.
Hm... this is something I must ponder, but I'm not sure I agree. You may 100% be right, but I'm not completely sold. I've run this in excel multiple ways and continue to find Ezra's unique is yielding more damage in GAC, but with TW Hera Omicron, I do see there is a point now where Sabine's takes the lead, but depending on the numbers, it's not till around the 20th application of the stacking bonus... that said, I'm rather tired and might have screwed up my math. Example: EZRA - if base damage is 10,000, 10% gained 4 times (additively) is 14,000 dmg as each instance adds 1,000. If the crit multiplier is 200% for simplicity, it's hitting 28,000. Now SABINE, if we instead take the base damage of 10,000 and rather add 40% offense, only add 25% crt damage, then 200% crt dmg +25% yields damage at 22,500 (less). Now, taking these same numbers and applying 20 instances of Hera's stacking (additive damage), In Ezra sit, 14,000 dmg becomes 34,000 base * 200% crit = 68,000 dmg. vs Sabine's 10,000 becomes 30,000 damage, times 225% crit = 67,500. Extrapolating this further, it is true that Sabine's does surpass Ezras. .... ok, after writing all this and thinking more deeply, I 100% get you and ya, you're right.... mostly. My comment is factually wrong, thanks for point that out. So ya, it "depends" is the answer on their offense values, game mode, and length of battle. In the short run, Ezra is better, in a protracted battle, Sabine's unique is better... Thanks again!
@@thegerbil23 Yeah, only in long TW battles does Sabina start pulling ahead. Also if there is crit avoidance mods or datacron, this reduces Sabine even more. However if your phoenix has good crit chance, but low crit damage (150%) then this favors Sabine more - you only need 10 stacks of Hera to break even.
I think overall your conclusion is right. Ezra is better than Sabine more often than vice versa. The other question is: is Ezra needed? Or can you run both Kanan and Zeb?
Let's also not forget the armor shred adding a new multiplier to the damage not only of sabine but every other team member as well. And i didn't see the very short cd of the armor shred discussed in the video but having a 2 turn cd means an easier time keeping the train going. But i still usually use zeb and kanan over either ezra or sabine because it's smoother and doesn't require as good of mods
Hey Gerbil just wanted to let you know the link to your discord server is expired! Hopefully you can update it so I can join, cheers