Its funny because she isnt broken at all, it makes no sense. Ppl like pretending aop dodges everything when you actually get blown up in that stance 99% of the time
@eventhoyouwerentasking It dodged Bryans d+4 for me yesterday. And, after blocking one of her moves that put her into back turn at -frames I did f+3 to get the counter hit but even at point blank range caliroll completely evaded it.
@@MohammadMishima You have to keep in mind though that unlike most hatchet kicks this is -15 on block and doesn't track to Drag's weak side unlike Bryan. Personally I would much rather trade part of the frame advantage for more safety on block
Its crazy how people can hate a character thats launch punishable on every string, negative on every low, cant launch you from crouch, no long mid/low mixup strings etc
@@kingkino2116 its crazy to me that a low thats is -3 ON HIT is launch punshiable ON BLOCK but her mids are insane ff2 imo is one of the best moves in the game and i love it
@@kingkino2116 Ikr also the lowest winrate by far and she's not even the most popular anymore. You also straight need to be able to electric whiff punish everything and have good wavedash pressure when u reach blue or you will plateu. She's pretty tough
@@Omar12521 Ikr? Her db2 is -3 on hit and launch punishable and does practically no damage. How anyone can hate this character is honestly beyond me. Even her ff2 stuff isn't hard to deal with honestly
11:25 Claudio most likely isn't dead. Post-credit photos show Zafina approaching a temple, and someone's leg is in the photo following right by her. That leg, has the exact design of Claudio's.
It's really crazy to see mainman go from making the official "choose your main" video for Bandai Namco to calling 1/3 of the cast terrible scrub characters.
@@velDANTeYeah Panda is even shown carrying Zafina off on her back and she clearly looked passed out. Her status could have easily been cleared up before the post credit scene if they had Ling reference her condition on Lili's plane afterwards.Was so awkward no one mentioned Zafina then.Very bad storyboarding by writers.
@@LoneTaurus82 the story didn't make much logical sense unfortunately, I expected more considering bamco is quite a rich company, they can afford good writers and script and the characters have a lot of potential... I definitely expected more for Claudio and Zafina after watching trailers...and some other characters faired even worse than them...
Jun beats her in this regard. Zafina is way too over designed for that,if it was Tekken 6 outfit then yeah. But in this one even most of her head is covered
As someone who (as much as I don’t wanna admit it) has a lot of experience with Lili, it feels surreal to see MainMan say he doesn’t mind her in this game/compliment her playerbase’s skill. She’s such a prime character to hate on but here, Mainman (who is known for generally disliking female characters in Tekken) is actually giving her credit. I will say that for Tekken 8 standards, she is a rather fundamental character and overall on the more honest side. I am biased to be fair and she definitely does have some cheese, I totally get why people hate her but I don’t think she’s as mindless as some of the other characters in this game. She can definitely exploit certain tools and flowcharts, especially against people unfamiliar with the matchup but you do also need fundamentals and strong mixups to take full advantage of her at higher levels (and just for clarification, I am not calling her weak). Many of her cheesier tools do have defined counterplay, even though it can be hard to apply depending on the instance.
The only thing Leo had going for him is that he used to be voiced by Ash Ketchum’s original actress, Veronica Taylor. With the series having gone multilingual, not anymore, obviously.
Bro idk honestly. I main Kuma and I don't try to cheese or anything. They are a little tricky to play against but I don't know what he's so confused by. Like just learn the properties of a handful of moves and youre fine. Kuma isn't even that good of a character.
@@NYG5 I can understand it's annoying because bears are rare, but other than that it doesn't seem like their moves are particularly difficult to deal with compared to other characters. I mean how are bears more annoying than Zafina Xiayou, or Yoshi?
@@Succerhe has a fuck Ton of genuine tekken tools similar to yoshi so he's not just a party character not to mention the insane damage on the charge attacks, weird ass arms so it's harder for me to see and break his throws also feels like his heat smash is almost invincible at times got clips of slims where shit just goes through him as he does it
I might have to do this because I've just never understood this character. He's so chunky and squat yet has so many evasive and big windy moves that it's hard to figure out wtf he's doing
Mainman T7: Nobody plays the bear they are unfun. Harada: Makes Bear viable and strong in T8 and their popularity Rise. Mainman T8: I don't wanna rematch the Bears and I don't wanna learn playing against a viable Bear.
@@rykehuss3435 It's not broken hitbox, is if they made the hitbox match their model people would do infinite on them. In T7 Alisa literally would chainsaw infinite on the bear and in this game a couple of character *cough cough* dragunov can infinite on the bears. So he is basically asking, can I do infinite on bears in this game please?
Hwo isn't braindead, but for every hour you put into your hwoarang is matched by labbing against him, and he's your char, you're going to put a lot of time into him. I have a google doc w/ a list of what to do vs each char, typically it takes me about 3 hours to go through a chars moveset and map out what to duck, ss, block punish, stance transitions, what their good moves are, and what their punish tools are. That same sheet for Hwo took at least 30 hours and multiple visual aids.
I looked into this guy because I'm new to Tekken and heard he had good content, but this whining is just absolutely insufferable, every video I've seen so far is just obnoxious whining about various things, will probably check out someone else instead.
I'm also kinda new to his content. I watched some of his older tekken 7 videos and even around the time when T8 characters were being released his wasn't complaining this much, just having fun. I don't know what changed
His guides are the content you should check out, that’s where he’s usually objective and they are pretty helpful, especially the 8-minute character guides. They were great for me when i started in Tekken 7. His videos like this one are something you shouldn’t take to serious, i’m not saying he doesn’t mean what he says, but these videos are opinion based and at the end of the day, they don’t matter much. I myself disagree with his crying , but i stick around for the informative content.
Since this is the video where TMM says which character he likes and dislikes from a gameplay design. What about a video where he says he likes and dislikes from a visual design?
There are some characters hated by the community, it shoudn't bother you too much. I play Law and I can barely write anything anywhere without recieving "You could buy an ethernet cable"
to be honest i really like nina i think she is cool very exiting to watch jodd just made me fall in love with the character i agree it might be difficult for newcomers to play againts her just like hwoarang but she is a work of art just like steve and hwoarang she has alot of deapth
Asuka's character is based on the "Kansai Culture" of Osaka, Japan. She incorporates the "bokke and tsukkomi" humor that was popularized there. Just like how they tried to capture the Filipina's insecure disposition when they made Josie, they tried to capture that culture of Osaka when they made Asuka. Harada himself had to explain this on X (formerly known as twitter) to dispel some of the hate. After all, Asuka was made to represent an entire culture of a region in the nation he was born in. It's only sad to see that the game's current biggest content creator is the main propagator of such hate that Harada himself is trying to combat.
@@Bakfor I can understand the basic Jack and Jill. But this guy is supposed to be one of the biggest Tekken fans. He follows Harada and Murray. He should've already seen Harada's post on X (formerly known as twitter). He just hates anything "anime" and is quite vocal about it on his streams.
Huh, I didn't know that about Asuka. That's actually pretty cool. It is kinda unfortunate that people hate her so much, especially when I feel like she is one of the better handled female reps in the game.
Anything "anime" that isn't Reina, probably. It's interesting, any character that's young, chipper and upbeat is disliked by TMM and even many other Tekken players. I guess the roster just breeds certain types of fans? I dunno. The argument of something being "anime" really feels like it's just goalpost moving, and feels like a nothing term to describe something you don't like.
Love getting the unhinged perspective of a mishima fanboy, Devil Jin gets a green tick while azucena gets a red tick while they are both absolutely busted and on Azucena somehow its "disagree with game devs" but on DJ its "uwu mishima cool" lmao
Hate to play devil’s advocte (no pun intended) but Devil Jin requieres a bit more skill to pilot . His opinion would be biased even if that wasn’t the case, but at least there’s a tiny bit of merit to it.
@frantschou2369 Nah, son. He biased af. Yoshi breaks "The rules of Tekken," whatever the F that means, but Devil Jin firing laser beams and doing safe on block psycho crushers from half a screen away is classic, honest Tekken 😂.
So, 90% of Mishimas in the game get a ✅️, except for Lars, who apparently is too anime. Also, 85% of females in the game get a ❌️, except for Zafina cause hot, Lili, who somehow still gets shade thrown her way cause too anime, and Reina, who apparently is the best newcomer Tekken ever had, and is totally not an anime trope 🙄.
@@mappybc6097even me (disagreeing with a lot of his takes), it looks to me like you either listen to him with your ass or play Tekken with your emotions and not brains and fingers. or just didn't read the video title. seems like no amount of honest explanations from TMM can stop people from posting shit like this. he's commenting on his position thoroughly, etc, but still. "he's biased", the implication being that you're not biased, right? including this comment. this is such simpleton's outlook. you I guess wanted to be perceived as a jarring critic who knows the truth, but instead you just come off as a hateful person who listened, but not really.
I do respect MMSWE and always look up to him, But saying Lars is a braindead char, while he legit has to play risky like 90% the times, and can easily get punished... Lars in Tekken 8, is probably the most fun to play against, and with.... While Jin for example became much more simple and much harder to counter play.
After playing 10 matches with the bears, you will understand in general what they do. The techniques differ in appearance. After 100 matches with hwoarang, I don't know anything about this character. 200 different kicks
basically the character he likes is cool and innovative and a "breath of fresh air" but the character he doesnt like is a cringelord weeb anime stereotype
@@goldenthunder1166 yeah I’ve seen way to much of her stereotype to like it anymore. I always separate Lars moveset and his character so he’s ok to me and the rest are actually so annoying
I fucking hate playing against Kazuyas around Battle Ruler. They all have this smug fucking aura radiating off them like they think they're so sick for picking a "hard" and """honest""" character, and then they just press heat and 50/50 you until you die or their hellsweep gets blocked and they blow up. It's obnoxious to play against
My guy kazuya is a legacy character and has had the same moves for almost 30 years. He’s extremely hard to use and wave dashing is legit a process to learn.
@@transporterrepair8172lmao hitting forward down df was a process for you? I feel so bad for you even feeling the need to justify yourself like that haha
I agree about Alisa. I played a blue rank Alisa in quick match (I’m red) and i only lost the first round because I was nervous expecting to get destroyed. Once I saw she didn’t block anything, I won 6 straight.
As a Xiaoyu Main I like to play Kazuya the most. Mishimas are the easiest to upset, they hate Xiaoyu and I like to give them more reason for it. They have the lamest excuses. They think only them play "the real Tekken" and then they whine when Kazuya "The Manly Man" gets beaten up by a little teenage girl. Yeah, I only laugh about their hate and their begging of Xiaoyu to be nerfed showing their incompetence. Now, vote me down as much as you like. I just give you the the waving hands and let you know "kochi, kochi". 😁
The entire tekken community hates xiaoyu. You're saying only you and your brainless friends getting carried by an overpowered character are correct while everyone else is wrong?
@@executioner_abw8897 LOL, yeah, the Xiaoyu players are right because they know what they are talking about and not just repeat what some Tekken influencers on TH-cam say, that not any statistics can back up. Xiaoyu is just more competitive than she was in T7 which they don't like. If she would be so braindead and OP it would be reflected in the stats and we would see her in EVO finals. Unless we see several Xiaoyu in any finals of the big tournaments she's not OP, lol
@@Lancorian that's like devil jin players saying he's not strong coz "they know what they talking about" just admit it you're carried by the character and still probably less than fujin. Everyone is wrong and just you and your friends are right hm? That's called delusion. As a devil jin player myself I agree he is busted but I don't whine and say everyone is wrong I admit it. But ofc xiaoyu mains always been toxic af I'm not surprised
@@executioner_abw8897 Sorry, I was busy beating up another Kazuya. Ah, so Devil Jin Main, the Mishima that shoots laser beams and and flies around. Check out the win rates, Xiaoyu is always towards the lower end, and that's independent of ranks. And talking about toxicity, that's a typical Mishima trait. More than often I got hate messages from Mishimas especially Kazuya (and that was already the case in T7). I can't take that serious anymore. Must all be TMM fan boys that live in their own hate bubble, lol.
tbh back when i was a kid i think the same thing as mainman on her but as i grew up i realize she is easy to fight agaisnt lol and also hot would same with lili
@@koolmain8159 There is some truth to what you saying ofc. But she's also incredibly weak in this game. They nerfed her hard for some reason. Even pro players agree, Fergus ranks her really low for example.
@@AsukasButler Not irrational, they always have the weird movesets with loads of flips and twists making it harder to keep track of whats happening compared to characters like Drag,Steve,paul etc. The more unorthodox the fighting style the more hate a character gets because it's harder to fight especially for newer players. I'd fight op dragunov over any female character any day.
They are the worst characters in a tournament setting, anywhere outside of that skill level they are S-Tier. Bears have one of the highest win percentages in purple ranks and above.
Everyone can just hate Xiaoyu, Jun, Alisa, Asuka or every broken character in terms of gameplay but we all love them as characters because their all cool. As a Asuka main I’m heartbroken because I’m not a good fighting game player and she’s easy to pick up and play learning to master her is as usual not easy, A pro player like Fergus even says she’s not good at all in this game even though he brought her to GOD Twice. Tekken 8 might be the first fighting game I’ve seen where almost all characters have some type of complete fundamental bullshit without complaining.
Keep at it, I've played her since T5 and this actually might be the worst she has ever been. Still a ton of fun and viable. End of the day, you are here to have fun and play the characters you like. Forget the hate lol.
@@veissra4047 thanks man, I love mainman and I know he loves Tekken with heart and soul but sometimes I just feel like he’s criticising these characters because of people who don’t learn the game and is just mashing which I mean this game is the most accessible and appealing Tekken ever of course there’s gonna be people doing these brain dead stuff. I genuinely think some of the characters are designed extremely well it just that the devs kinda went too far making them OP and “brain dead” while they focus on the more loved characters like Jin, Reina etc. I just feel like the hate is not justified on characters and more so players, don’t pro players work their ass of for being the best? I thought everyone says ranked doesn’t matter as Long as your learning. I’m a newcomer to Tekken 8 but this Negativity is INSANE as I’ve never encountered this much BS in NRS games. Appreciate the kind words though ❤️
@@JylstinThe fan base is quite negative about the game yeah. Don't ever step on the tekken subreddit lol. The game simply has more cheese and knowledge checks that any other fighting game
@@Jylstin Yeah, especially when it comes to Asuka since she is low tier. Complaining about her just feels like it's punching down by this point. If you want a pro's take on Asuka, you should look into Fergus. He's played her in tourneys for several games by this point. I also agree with the community, though I think part of it is just how people are these days, just toxic and negative. It's sad really...
Fellow Asuka main here. Been playing her since Tekken 5. And rn she's arguably weakest she ever was imo, still struggling to get the same rank I had with her in Tekken 7. TMM just being TMM as per usual. Play what you like and don't take his rants to heart, he is famous for his hot takes.
Lars did not change much if you actually see high rank lars they play him so similar to tekken 7 with the addition of the two moves in limited entry idk what braindead moves he have outside of heat which is very needed cause Lars has little to no pressure moves on block he’s just a gap closer stance switch character
Reina can be pretty braindead in lower ranks. All they do is pretty much just mash. And this can be tricky to deal with since she gets plus frames on almost everything
Are people unfamiliar with the concept of developer resources? So many people saying they wish pandas slot had gone to some other character like it makes any sense, and people agreeing with it.
Themaingayman. Girls are awesome in this game, I'm an old kazuya main, and still a Mishima main, kazuya is lame as fuck, especially to face, fifty fifty all day. I find it way more interesting to face Alisa, Nina or even bears.
Fighting Kazuya is mostly just a guessing game which involves a lot of luck, and it gets really boring after a few dozen matchups. His lack of (viable) moves doesn't help his repetitiveness either. Every Kazuya I see feels like the same person but from different timelines in their life lol
I think Azucena is the most annoying character in Tekken history, all that coffee talk and dancing gets on my nerves. More annoying than Julia and Lucky Chloe
@@Coolcatcvr I'm broke as fuck brazilian from the third world, I like to watch videos and I have no joy in life cause I'll never be able to play these games. I just don't like her personality, total latin stereotype. Delete her and bring back Baek, Ogre, Anna, anyone over this annoying coffe girl.
@@velDANTe I admit the clip of two Azucenas dancing in a match is funny but her coffee talk is so fucking annoying and stereotypical. Give Christie back or a new character that is actually badass, sick of Tekken Skinny Waifus, Reina is also cringe trying to be this intimidating presence.
@@vradarx sounds like yu got whooped by a lars. Lars is easy to breakdown. Just launch him whenever he goes into stance. Or dick jab him. He’s only safe with DEN 4 or SEN 3 into DEN 1 on block. Same thing with Victor you can jab or simply side step majority of his stance moves.
@@vradarx A Lars main has to be creative in order for his stances to be effective. Lars has zero to no plus frames on his neutral move-set. He’s just a 50/50 demon during stance. But 90% of his stance moves are unsafe. Playing a Lars is a matter of respect. You need to disrespect his stances by launching him during SEN LEN and DEN. If a Lars makes you afraid of him he already won cuz now he’s made you scared of his stances.
I really, really do not agree that Reina is so similar to Lidia. I get why you would see i10-punish and ff2 into stances and say that's similar tio Lidia, but that's where the similarities end for me. I hope Lidia comes back and I think there's a decent chance for it.
I love playing dragunov so much in this game, but I feel like a tierwhore for playing him so I offset it by transitioning to Leroy when I hit high purple ranks
I went the opposite. I tried a lot of different characters because I was resisting playing Jun, who I wanted to play ever since seeing her inclusion in the game. I gave up avoiding a top tier and I’m having more fun. Almost everyone’s busted to a certain extent anyway plus it’s so early in the games life, so imo play who you like most 🤷 (Leroy is sick tho. I hope he’s not as bad as people originally thought 🤞)
@@ko-yoshi Aside from the running joke being that Leroy is just a non-functional version of feng, he seems just way harder to make work, I would've given up 20 times by now if it wasn't for the insane magicians in the leroy discord
Jin players ff2 and d2 is enough reason to be pissed but then you got df2 and you still have fantastic homing moves, punishment, etc. 2, 1, 4 is more stupid than ever. Jin mains d ride him hard but he's overkill now.
@@overflowyouknow maybe it's cuz I'm in higher ranks or something but jin is very easy to deal with ff2 and d2 are extremely different in speed so it's relatively easy to fuzzy guard. (D2 is genuinely reactable trust) 2,1,4 is actually easy to deal with u can just backdash every time u see it and force him to take risks instead of ch fishing, all and all jin is extremely honest
It’s endearing and wholesome that your son likes Jack so much and it rubs off on you. I’d actually like to see you play Jack for once and it’d be wholesome if your son watched and got all excited to see you win with him (instead of evil Kazuya).
about jin and lee, there is something weird about them in this game. I think that it is associated with their body size and animations. I can't really understand why but they felt way more agile and fluid, and it was what made them such a joy to watch on t7. on 8 everyone is just mega blaster jacked and the animation is kinda... savage-ish. lee still has beautiful gameplay though, but jin doesn't look the same anymore to me. but maybe it has to do with his moveset too, on 7 everything that jin did looked so technical and deliberate, on 8 watching jin gameplay just looks like a refined brawler
honestly? i think for me its because Jin is not as stubby and short ranged anymore. If you ever had a feel for how he plays, even subconsciously as a casual, you kinda start to appreciate how deliberate his movement must be. his jabs being stubby forced your play. now people can just spam paw and all that. so that refined use of movement and evasive maneuvers is being replaced by far reaching attacks. less refined set up/Tekken Style footwork and execution of technical combos, and more simple brawling moves. ... at least that is what i am telling myself now. i noticed that i vastly enjoy watching t7 Jin gameplay compares to t8 and that is me attempting to find an answer
@@GruntSquad92this makes sense, I think it has something to do with the new moves too, like nyg5 mentioned. it completely breaks the "concentrated karate strategist" kind of demeanor when he literally goes down and scratches your shin with energy claws lol and because they are new key moves and are thrown a LOT his style just goes out the window
The amount of things he says are unique to Tekken that I can assure you exist in other fighting games, sometimes to a greater extent, sometimes to a lesser extent is almost mind-blowing. I guess it's understandable to think that when your main game is the one in question.
Thought this was about the character and not how strong they are because he said he liked xiaoyu's existence and uniqueness, then proceeds to give her an X. So, in the end it just turns into another "tier list" style video.
like, I respect TMM so much that I can't make any "gay" or "sexist" jokes over his hate for women BUT COME ON man, Asuka is NERFED TO HELL FOR THE THIRD GAME IN A ROW cut her some slack
I think it's totally cool to hate Alisa (as an Alisa player myself) but tbh I think she has pretty glaring weaknesses. I think her offensive capabilities without chainsaws are wack. In neutral stance, her best moves are mostly slow keepout tools. B+1 is 15 frames, db+3 is 17 frames and minus on hit. D+3 is super risky and I don't even like throwing it out now that they buffed her d+4. I think the whole reasons her chainsaws are so good on block is because her neutral game forces you to play defensively. I have to really focus on defense in neutral, which is why I feel pretty good when I get a good block or whiff punish or get off a good sidestep etc. Shes cheesy af with chainsaws, but without she can't really threaten you. Keep her out when you have a life lead and you'll do a lot better, trust me!
"Reina... the most amazing and ever designed character in modern Tekken history, ohhh she has so many moves and is so interesting to play with, 10/10 character unlike all of the other scrubby characters in the game" Yeahhhhhh ,no. FF2 being safe on block, hit confirmable and going into a mid/low/grab/powercrush/guaranteed heat engager mixup would like to have a word with you lmao
The only characters I sometimes* don't rematch are Jun, Feng, and Dragonuv. I just don't have the heart to put in the effort. I see them so often and they're so tiresome to fight against.
Same bro, OP characters are the ones that are used the most and it's gets so exhausting to deal with their bullishit all the time. I just don't rematch certain characters at this point.
@@moxdegiourno7984 I’ve hated Feng since T6. There are good characters and then there are characters that just make the game easy, and Feng is one of them. The difference between an A and S character is significantly higher.
Are you offended bro? Like don't take it so seriously i play saheen in tekken 8 cause ak ain't here and saheen... Aaaaa saheen nobody plays him same as leo so chill no need to get stressed. In 2 years he will be like " omg we totally forgot about leo he is broken " something like that...
I was happy to know that Claudio is still alive if you watch the credits, in the last slide you see Zafina turning around to see Claudio standing there. But for some reason you just see his foot.
I find it interesting that you're saying Asuka is braindead to play. The only thing I've heard, even from high tier Asuka mains, is that she's underwhelming compared to other characters and just a worse Jun, way worse than her previous incarnations. Then there are other players, like yourself, that say she's hell to play against. So why isn't there a consistence?
as usual tmm just hates almost all the women but loves reina bc she acts masculine and is ofc a mishima lmao i like dragunov as a tekken character overall but how u can like him in this iteration of the game lmaooo he’s just way too overtuned
People be like "I wish they gave (Character i don't like) spot to (Character i like) instead, because (Add explanation of why the character i like should be in the game)"
MainMan sleeping on the Sandman (Shaheen) just like everyone else. Works for us Shaheen mains, we'll quietly climb to God of Destruction with LowHigh as our guide 😎
Yeh idk what that take is Lars seems very strong and mixup machine but still lacks ch launchers and in the neutral he’s pretty crap and doesn’t get great frames on stuff
@@ultraborisgaming7929 I played a lot with Lars in 7 the amount of new options makes more openings to be this version is far better It was very difficult to open people up in 7 once people got used to his movements and strings there’s no way to pull off a win, in this one I can get pressure building a force mistake Frames my be worse but I’ll take it
Honestly nowadays I don’t know if Asuka carries so hard, with all of the nerfs and the lowest damage output, she can VERY much carry to red ranks but beyond that in ruler + she can struggle without some basic fundamentals. Maybe I’m biased because in T7 she carried so much harder
I find it funny that he likes reina when she's one of the most anime characters in the game, down to being super secret child of a legacy character BUT she has the super op ability the current protags have and is left as the only one with it after the story ends. Also why are we acting like tekken isn't inherently anime af, kazuya turns into a devil, jin can too, heihachi was an old man able to smack them both around AND the whole story is their family squabble
I'll probably be called a scrub for this, but I absolutely despise Devil Jin. When dude is in heat, it's a guarantee that whatever momentum you had in the match is now his completely. It's so aggravating to have a DJ on the ropes, they hit heat, and suddenly there's just overwhelming aggression and 50/50's flying at you (literally) and now you might lose because of it.
i am legit confused, what is the point of this comment? i know it sounds combative and that is not how i mean it at all, but i am reading this for the last two minutes and somehow cannot understand what argument it is making xD
TMM, did you know that lars orbital crush MID !? If he does orbital after you block 2,1, lars will crush most df1 in the game and launch you. Work in practice mode against Reina and Jin df 1 for example.
Between TMM and LotusAsakura all this hate for the bears ☹️ i definitely think the fact they take up 2 character slots is crazy, could have easily done like they did in the older games and make panda and Kuma share the same slot. But mechanics wise I really don’t understand the hatred other than the common “nobody knows the matchup” reason.
As someone who has always liked Law since Tekken 3, I don't like Law that much in Tekken 8. It's not because his DSS execution is easy, it's because his new moves that don't use nunchucks are mediocre. They're so boring compared to his new moves back in Tekken 5 and 6.
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Alisa 3:55
Asuka 5:25
Azucena 8:54
Bryan 10:23
Claudio 11:08
DJ 11:30
Drag 12:18
Feng 13:25
Hwoarang (Yoshi) 13:59
Jack 14:57
Jin 16:18
Jun 18:29
Kaz 20:07
King 20:11
Kuma (Panda) 20:36
Lars 23:00
Law 24:21
Lee 24:31
Leo 24:55
Leroy 25:08
Lili 25:58
Nina 26:58
Panda (REDACTED)
Paul 27:28
Raven 27:38
Reina 28:30
Shaheen 31:06
Steve 31:55
Victor 34:15
Xiaoyu 36:38
Yoshi 37:53
Zafina 39:00
Thank you brother.
God's work brother
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this should be pinned
Dang just realized tekken 8's character select order is in alphabetic order
You know when mainman says hes gonna keep it short its gonna be an hour long rant involving xiaoyu and bears
Tbf he said that after realizing how long he ranted on xiouyu
Its funny because she isnt broken at all, it makes no sense. Ppl like pretending aop dodges everything when you actually get blown up in that stance 99% of the time
And that "free" hypnotist 50/50 he cries about is only if you do heat from stance and consider you can just get mashed on its not free at all lol
@eventhoyouwerentasking It dodged Bryans d+4 for me yesterday. And, after blocking one of her moves that put her into back turn at -frames I did f+3 to get the counter hit but even at point blank range caliroll completely evaded it.
@@BandaiSCUM I don’t see ur point lol
All TheMainManSWE videos are just Xiaoyu rants disguised as actual Tekken content, and we're here for it.
I’m all for Xiaoyu hate ‼️‼️‼️
Don’t forget about Jun.
since tekken 8 came up and tmm became even more saltier
If someone gonna hate Xiaoyu, don't forget about Jun
She's broken, while Xiaoyu only needs her AOP nerfed
Hahahaha
T7 MainMan: "Dragunov fundamentally doesn't work, d2 is not scary enough he needs a bigger low"
T8 MainMan: "Why does he have a hatchet?" 12:26
I don't mind his hatchet being there but man the frames on hit they're just irritating
@@MohammadMishima You have to keep in mind though that unlike most hatchet kicks this is -15 on block and doesn't track to Drag's weak side unlike Bryan. Personally I would much rather trade part of the frame advantage for more safety on block
If it was tekken 7 drag with hatchet it would be fine. But tekken 8 drag does not need it lol
tbh the hatchet is fine after they nerf his frames and dmg a bit
@@MohammadMishima but it's launch punishable. Like, it's the most appropriate hatchet.
Wish they gave the Panda slot to Mokujin instead
No Mokujin is barely a character the thing just copy everyone fighting style which is pretty lame
@@MenmaKazamabut what makes him so fun that he alters his play style every round so you would have to know how to play everyone to be good at Moku
@@MenmaKazamalike Panda doesn't copy Kuma? Rather have a character that can copy everyone rather than just one character.
Nah, love mokujin but thats a waste of a slot. Altho they should give mokujin for free as like an anniversary gift or something
Wish they gave the Kuma and Panda slot to Eddy and AK.
Find it funny just how much TMM loves Reina and how much his chat hates her lmao
Its crazy how people can hate a character thats launch punishable on every string, negative on every low, cant launch you from crouch, no long mid/low mixup strings etc
@@kingkino2116 its crazy to me that a low thats is -3 ON HIT is launch punshiable ON BLOCK
but her mids are insane ff2 imo is one of the best moves in the game and i love it
@@kingkino2116 Ikr also the lowest winrate by far and she's not even the most popular anymore. You also straight need to be able to electric whiff punish everything and have good wavedash pressure when u reach blue or you will plateu. She's pretty tough
@@Omar12521 Ikr? Her db2 is -3 on hit and launch punishable and does practically no damage. How anyone can hate this character is honestly beyond me. Even her ff2 stuff isn't hard to deal with honestly
@@SalutexMO people complain about sentai 3 and somehow non of them know it’s a high🤦
"Lidia is not coming back, she was a test run for Reina" well well well
"Heihachi is completely dead" well well well pt 2
“I’m straight” well well well pt 3
11:25
Claudio most likely isn't dead. Post-credit photos show Zafina approaching a temple, and someone's leg is in the photo following right by her. That leg, has the exact design of Claudio's.
@@velDANTe well, I don't, I'm buying tekken 8 just for him and Lili...
It's really crazy to see mainman go from making the official "choose your main" video for Bandai Namco to calling 1/3 of the cast terrible scrub characters.
That’s just how he is
What's crazier is that they willingly promote such negativity. It's like they want a community full of whiny pluggers.
Claudio is alive with Zafina in the credits, at least I hope it's his foot😂
I got annoyed at his chat saying Zafina was dead. I do believe that was Claudio's foot in the postcard with her looking back haha.
@@velDANTeYeah Panda is even shown carrying Zafina off on her back and she clearly looked passed out. Her status could have easily been cleared up before the post credit scene if they had Ling reference her condition on Lili's plane afterwards.Was so awkward no one mentioned Zafina then.Very bad storyboarding by writers.
@@LoneTaurus82 the story didn't make much logical sense unfortunately, I expected more considering bamco is quite a rich company, they can afford good writers and script and the characters have a lot of potential...
I definitely expected more for Claudio and Zafina after watching trailers...and some other characters faired even worse than them...
Just keep in mind that any character he marks as unlikeable hes is also saying he hates you as a person as well.
😂
lol that’s fine. Most people who play these characters are probably scumbags
Nina fun though @@Flintc08
I couldn't disagree more 😂
It's OK, I hate him as a person as well. Not because of his opinions, but because he's swedish.
"She's the sexiest and hottest female" that's what I wanted to hear about Zafina.
Jun beats her in this regard.
Zafina is way too over designed for that,if it was Tekken 6 outfit then yeah.
But in this one even most of her head is covered
@@newhybrid101was that supposed to change our mind or something? Zafina clears that bum
Zafina definitely hottest
@@newhybrid101 nah
@@Steponmeplease-gy8esI feel you, man. Kazumi shall be missed
As someone who (as much as I don’t wanna admit it) has a lot of experience with Lili, it feels surreal to see MainMan say he doesn’t mind her in this game/compliment her playerbase’s skill. She’s such a prime character to hate on but here, Mainman (who is known for generally disliking female characters in Tekken) is actually giving her credit. I will say that for Tekken 8 standards, she is a rather fundamental character and overall on the more honest side. I am biased to be fair and she definitely does have some cheese, I totally get why people hate her but I don’t think she’s as mindless as some of the other characters in this game. She can definitely exploit certain tools and flowcharts, especially against people unfamiliar with the matchup but you do also need fundamentals and strong mixups to take full advantage of her at higher levels (and just for clarification, I am not calling her weak). Many of her cheesier tools do have defined counterplay, even though it can be hard to apply depending on the instance.
Only respectable female with Reina in the game
Love how he didn't even bother to explain why he dislikes Leo lmao
why does everyone feel the same way about leo? i don’t like leo either but idk why. just a forgettable character
The only thing Leo had going for him is that he used to be voiced by Ash Ketchum’s original actress, Veronica Taylor.
With the series having gone multilingual, not anymore, obviously.
Bruh what have the bears done to tmm 😂
Bro idk honestly. I main Kuma and I don't try to cheese or anything. They are a little tricky to play against but I don't know what he's so confused by. Like just learn the properties of a handful of moves and youre fine. Kuma isn't even that good of a character.
They're just annoying. You remember how annoying it is to have your annual Bear matchup that's nothing but knowledge check and weird property moves?
@@NYG5 I can understand it's annoying because bears are rare, but other than that it doesn't seem like their moves are particularly difficult to deal with compared to other characters. I mean how are bears more annoying than Zafina Xiayou, or Yoshi?
@@Succerhe has a fuck Ton of genuine tekken tools similar to yoshi so he's not just a party character not to mention the insane damage on the charge attacks, weird ass arms so it's harder for me to see and break his throws also feels like his heat smash is almost invincible at times got clips of slims where shit just goes through him as he does it
A bear took away his Paul win streak in player matches. That’s at least one thing they’ve done to him.
mainman is always blinded by the sun in every vid lol
Thats Sweden weather for ya 😅
He needs to prove he is not a vampire every day due to his god like genes.
My heart sinks whenever I encounter the abomination known as Alisa
Ppl make us look bad but shes fun to play against if she dosen't spam armour
@@ObEyMyMuNcHiEzZ yeah and that’s like 40% of Alisa players. Still a higher chance to find that annoying freak that will ruin your day
Alisa is so easy to play against idk why people struggle so much against her. I play Jin and Raven but I see always body Alisa.
She’s one of the worst things to ever happen to Tekken - along with Victor.
@@ObEyMyMuNcHiEzZ In comments "always honest if" in game "bzzz bzzzzz hahahahaha! weeeeeee"
Tekken 8 is the first game I actually dedicated time to learn Jack, gotta say i am having a blast using him.
I might have to do this because I've just never understood this character. He's so chunky and squat yet has so many evasive and big windy moves that it's hard to figure out wtf he's doing
Aww, I loved hearing your sons favorite character is Jack, so wholesome.
Mainman T7: Nobody plays the bear they are unfun.
Harada: Makes Bear viable and strong in T8 and their popularity Rise.
Mainman T8: I don't wanna rematch the Bears and I don't wanna learn playing against a viable Bear.
💀
TMMS is crying here, its obvious as hell xD
@@Kaldzi1993 No he isnt. He's right about their hitboxes being broken
@@rykehuss3435 It's not broken hitbox, is if they made the hitbox match their model people would do infinite on them. In T7 Alisa literally would chainsaw infinite on the bear and in this game a couple of character *cough cough* dragunov can infinite on the bears. So he is basically asking, can I do infinite on bears in this game please?
@@taleofsonata1 So shrink the bear or find another workaround, no excuses for shit hitboxes from a AAA fighting game.
Hwo isn't braindead, but for every hour you put into your hwoarang is matched by labbing against him, and he's your char, you're going to put a lot of time into him.
I have a google doc w/ a list of what to do vs each char, typically it takes me about 3 hours to go through a chars moveset and map out what to duck, ss, block punish, stance transitions, what their good moves are, and what their punish tools are. That same sheet for Hwo took at least 30 hours and multiple visual aids.
this sounds crazy lol
I’m interested in seeing this doc if you don’t mind sharing a copy link
@Smokescreen__ docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gmd7XVqR2VobZF9kfK8s1zBaH_7DfWBdJofa6dVrhMs/edit?usp=drivesdk
I looked into this guy because I'm new to Tekken and heard he had good content, but this whining is just absolutely insufferable, every video I've seen so far is just obnoxious whining about various things, will probably check out someone else instead.
I'm also kinda new to his content. I watched some of his older tekken 7 videos and even around the time when T8 characters were being released his wasn't complaining this much, just having fun. I don't know what changed
His guides are the content you should check out, that’s where he’s usually objective and they are pretty helpful, especially the 8-minute character guides. They were great for me when i started in Tekken 7.
His videos like this one are something you shouldn’t take to serious, i’m not saying he doesn’t mean what he says, but these videos are opinion based and at the end of the day, they don’t matter much.
I myself disagree with his crying , but i stick around for the informative content.
@@frantschou2369 I agree. The 8 minute guides were very accurate and the Tekken Lectures helped me understand Tekken better
Trust me, if he wasn't actually good at the game, his whining nonsense wouldn't fly. But, you know. He's good. So people put up with the BS. Lol.
@@Ryusei314ngl I find his ranting funny
Since this is the video where TMM says which character he likes and dislikes from a gameplay design. What about a video where he says he likes and dislikes from a visual design?
You've made it difficult over the years for a Kuma main to stick around, but I'm still gonna watch your videos anyway.
Leave loser
No
Yes king, kuma rise up ⚡️💪🐻
There are some characters hated by the community, it shoudn't bother you too much. I play Law and I can barely write anything anywhere without recieving "You could buy an ethernet cable"
how does one become a kuma main
Damn, I thought you were gonna throw a lot of thrash at Lili.
nah Lili is a good girl
And why do you think anyone would do that…🙂
He used to but he learned that matchup after an eternity
to be honest i really like nina i think she is cool very exiting to watch jodd just made me fall in love with the character
i agree it might be difficult for newcomers to play againts her just like hwoarang but she is a work of art just like steve and hwoarang she has alot of deapth
I need a Muay Thai character! Hopefully Bruce or Fahk make it.
I hope we get Christie too since Eddie now has a reworked move set, so they will be different capoeiristas.
Want Brucey so bad 🤘
bro we are not getting christie keep dreaming @@johnalbertwrestling
Fakh got datamined right?
@@Isaiahtjeeunfortunately yes he did
Asuka's character is based on the "Kansai Culture" of Osaka, Japan. She incorporates the "bokke and tsukkomi" humor that was popularized there. Just like how they tried to capture the Filipina's insecure disposition when they made Josie, they tried to capture that culture of Osaka when they made Asuka. Harada himself had to explain this on X (formerly known as twitter) to dispel some of the hate. After all, Asuka was made to represent an entire culture of a region in the nation he was born in. It's only sad to see that the game's current biggest content creator is the main propagator of such hate that Harada himself is trying to combat.
Renne spotted
None of the haters even knows she has a heavy accent. They just see "anime girl because japanese".
@@Bakfor I can understand the basic Jack and Jill. But this guy is supposed to be one of the biggest Tekken fans. He follows Harada and Murray. He should've already seen Harada's post on X (formerly known as twitter). He just hates anything "anime" and is quite vocal about it on his streams.
Huh, I didn't know that about Asuka. That's actually pretty cool.
It is kinda unfortunate that people hate her so much, especially when I feel like she is one of the better handled female reps in the game.
Anything "anime" that isn't Reina, probably. It's interesting, any character that's young, chipper and upbeat is disliked by TMM and even many other Tekken players. I guess the roster just breeds certain types of fans? I dunno. The argument of something being "anime" really feels like it's just goalpost moving, and feels like a nothing term to describe something you don't like.
24:55 TMM is 50/50 on Leo coz he's not sure if it's a boy or girl 😂
Love getting the unhinged perspective of a mishima fanboy, Devil Jin gets a green tick while azucena gets a red tick while they are both absolutely busted and on Azucena somehow its "disagree with game devs" but on DJ its "uwu mishima cool" lmao
Hate to play devil’s advocte (no pun intended) but Devil Jin requieres a bit more skill to pilot . His opinion would be biased even if that wasn’t the case, but at least there’s a tiny bit of merit to it.
Yeah I would agree with that @@frantschou2369
@frantschou2369 Nah, son. He biased af. Yoshi breaks "The rules of Tekken," whatever the F that means, but Devil Jin firing laser beams and doing safe on block psycho crushers from half a screen away is classic, honest Tekken 😂.
So, 90% of Mishimas in the game get a ✅️, except for Lars, who apparently is too anime.
Also, 85% of females in the game get a ❌️, except for Zafina cause hot, Lili, who somehow still gets shade thrown her way cause too anime, and Reina, who apparently is the best newcomer Tekken ever had, and is totally not an anime trope 🙄.
@@mappybc6097even me (disagreeing with a lot of his takes), it looks to me like you either listen to him with your ass or play Tekken with your emotions and not brains and fingers.
or just didn't read the video title.
seems like no amount of honest explanations from TMM can stop people from posting shit like this. he's commenting on his position thoroughly, etc, but still. "he's biased", the implication being that you're not biased, right? including this comment. this is such simpleton's outlook.
you I guess wanted to be perceived as a jarring critic who knows the truth, but instead you just come off as a hateful person who listened, but not really.
I can’t believe themainman just went on a hate rant against asuka and ling for 44 minutes
Average day at the office for him lmao
Mainman: Devil Jin is inaccessible.
Also Mainman: Devil Jin is so effortless! Tekken King in two seconds!
If you have the execution to play them in high level, man.
Don’t even need to see the video to guess what he says 😂
Facts, long time watchers can time stamp the rants without watching lol
It's hilarious how TMM talked about Shaheen because after facing him a few times, I keep thinking that character is beastly, or is it just me? A gem?
I do respect MMSWE and always look up to him, But saying Lars is a braindead char, while he legit has to play risky like 90% the times, and can easily get punished...
Lars in Tekken 8, is probably the most fun to play against, and with.... While Jin for example became much more simple and much harder to counter play.
Exactly, when a Lars hits a combo we should celebrate because of how rare that is
30:36 half of the reason why I main Reina is because of her voice lol, love her savage battle cries when she does electrics
Ngl I find it a little cringe when she does her rage art like three 13 year old imagination phrases in 10 seconds is too much imo😂😂
After playing 10 matches with the bears, you will understand in general what they do. The techniques differ in appearance. After 100 matches with hwoarang, I don't know anything about this character. 200 different kicks
Yeah I main Kuma and mainman complains way too much. Kuma is really not that confusing.
Claudio actually is still alive 😂
He's in the end credit scene with Zafina. I rewatched it because I also thought he died. Lmao.
Actually, Reina is also an Anime Stereotype character lol
basically the character he likes is cool and innovative and a "breath of fresh air" but the character he doesnt like is a cringelord weeb anime stereotype
Yep I can’t take him serious
A really annoying one, up there with Asuka’s stereotype
He did say he is biased towards mishimas. So that's what. I find reina just as cringe as asuka and alisa.
@@goldenthunder1166 yeah I’ve seen way to much of her stereotype to like it anymore. I always separate Lars moveset and his character so he’s ok to me and the rest are actually so annoying
I fucking hate playing against Kazuyas around Battle Ruler. They all have this smug fucking aura radiating off them like they think they're so sick for picking a "hard" and """honest""" character, and then they just press heat and 50/50 you until you die or their hellsweep gets blocked and they blow up. It's obnoxious to play against
My guy kazuya is a legacy character and has had the same moves for almost 30 years. He’s extremely hard to use and wave dashing is legit a process to learn.
@@transporterrepair8172lmao hitting forward down df was a process for you? I feel so bad for you even feeling the need to justify yourself like that haha
@@unbelievablegoblin1183 you must be using a arcade box like a newb. I’m controller only so I don’t use gimmicks I would still F you up.
I agree about Alisa. I played a blue rank Alisa in quick match (I’m red) and i only lost the first round because I was nervous expecting to get destroyed. Once I saw she didn’t block anything, I won 6 straight.
Why is she still in Tekken... personally I just feel she doesn't belong in Tekken. Alisa mains/fans can try convince me all they want.
As a Xiaoyu Main I like to play Kazuya the most. Mishimas are the easiest to upset, they hate Xiaoyu and I like to give them more reason for it. They have the lamest excuses. They think only them play "the real Tekken" and then they whine when Kazuya "The Manly Man" gets beaten up by a little teenage girl. Yeah, I only laugh about their hate and their begging of Xiaoyu to be nerfed showing their incompetence. Now, vote me down as much as you like. I just give you the the waving hands and let you know "kochi, kochi". 😁
Its literally so funny that one of the least free characters in the game gets called cheap for the 1/100 times aop actually dodges something😂
The entire tekken community hates xiaoyu. You're saying only you and your brainless friends getting carried by an overpowered character are correct while everyone else is wrong?
@@executioner_abw8897 LOL, yeah, the Xiaoyu players are right because they know what they are talking about and not just repeat what some Tekken influencers on TH-cam say, that not any statistics can back up. Xiaoyu is just more competitive than she was in T7 which they don't like. If she would be so braindead and OP it would be reflected in the stats and we would see her in EVO finals. Unless we see several Xiaoyu in any finals of the big tournaments she's not OP, lol
@@Lancorian that's like devil jin players saying he's not strong coz "they know what they talking about" just admit it you're carried by the character and still probably less than fujin. Everyone is wrong and just you and your friends are right hm? That's called delusion. As a devil jin player myself I agree he is busted but I don't whine and say everyone is wrong I admit it. But ofc xiaoyu mains always been toxic af I'm not surprised
@@executioner_abw8897 Sorry, I was busy beating up another Kazuya. Ah, so Devil Jin Main, the Mishima that shoots laser beams and and flies around. Check out the win rates, Xiaoyu is always towards the lower end, and that's independent of ranks. And talking about toxicity, that's a typical Mishima trait. More than often I got hate messages from Mishimas especially Kazuya (and that was already the case in T7). I can't take that serious anymore. Must all be TMM fan boys that live in their own hate bubble, lol.
Lydia will be back, she was to completely shotokan Karate style and to perfection. Reina is not a reskin of her.
TMM: Asuka super carries...
Truth: Asuka has the fifth worst win rate.
Something doesn't add up
She only has a low rate because first time tekken players are all picking her because she’s the easiest and racking up L’s
tbh back when i was a kid i think the same thing as mainman on her but as i grew up i realize she is easy to fight agaisnt lol and also hot would same with lili
Asuka's god awful in this game. He just has an irrational hatred of a lot of female characters
@@koolmain8159 There is some truth to what you saying ofc. But she's also incredibly weak in this game. They nerfed her hard for some reason. Even pro players agree, Fergus ranks her really low for example.
@@AsukasButler Not irrational, they always have the weird movesets with loads of flips and twists making it harder to keep track of whats happening compared to characters like Drag,Steve,paul etc.
The more unorthodox the fighting style the more hate a character gets because it's harder to fight especially for newer players.
I'd fight op dragunov over any female character any day.
Mainman not rematching the worst character in the game kinda goes hard.
But deadass, bears forever.
bear gaming FTW
They are the worst characters in a tournament setting, anywhere outside of that skill level they are S-Tier. Bears have one of the highest win percentages in purple ranks and above.
Everyone can just hate Xiaoyu, Jun, Alisa, Asuka or every broken character in terms of gameplay but we all love them as characters because their all cool. As a Asuka main I’m heartbroken because I’m not a good fighting game player and she’s easy to pick up and play learning to master her is as usual not easy, A pro player like Fergus even says she’s not good at all in this game even though he brought her to GOD Twice. Tekken 8 might be the first fighting game I’ve seen where almost all characters have some type of complete fundamental bullshit without complaining.
Keep at it, I've played her since T5 and this actually might be the worst she has ever been. Still a ton of fun and viable. End of the day, you are here to have fun and play the characters you like. Forget the hate lol.
@@veissra4047 thanks man, I love mainman and I know he loves Tekken with heart and soul but sometimes I just feel like he’s criticising these characters because of people who don’t learn the game and is just mashing which I mean this game is the most accessible and appealing Tekken ever of course there’s gonna be people doing these brain dead stuff. I genuinely think some of the characters are designed extremely well it just that the devs kinda went too far making them OP and “brain dead” while they focus on the more loved characters like Jin, Reina etc. I just feel like the hate is not justified on characters and more so players, don’t pro players work their ass of for being the best? I thought everyone says ranked doesn’t matter as Long as your learning. I’m a newcomer to Tekken 8 but this Negativity is INSANE as I’ve never encountered this much BS in NRS games. Appreciate the kind words though ❤️
@@JylstinThe fan base is quite negative about the game yeah. Don't ever step on the tekken subreddit lol. The game simply has more cheese and knowledge checks that any other fighting game
@@Jylstin Yeah, especially when it comes to Asuka since she is low tier. Complaining about her just feels like it's punching down by this point. If you want a pro's take on Asuka, you should look into Fergus. He's played her in tourneys for several games by this point. I also agree with the community, though I think part of it is just how people are these days, just toxic and negative. It's sad really...
Fellow Asuka main here. Been playing her since Tekken 5. And rn she's arguably weakest she ever was imo, still struggling to get the same rank I had with her in Tekken 7. TMM just being TMM as per usual. Play what you like and don't take his rants to heart, he is famous for his hot takes.
Lars did not change much if you actually see high rank lars they play him so similar to tekken 7 with the addition of the two moves in limited entry idk what braindead moves he have outside of heat which is very needed cause Lars has little to no pressure moves on block he’s just a gap closer stance switch character
the virgin mishima main vs the chad bear enjoyer
Based mokujin enjoyers vs less bear enjoyers
Whats the problem with Lars? You said literally 0 about that!
Lars is goated
Reina can be pretty braindead in lower ranks. All they do is pretty much just mash. And this can be tricky to deal with since she gets plus frames on almost everything
as a lili main it feels good that mainman approves of her. the only time i feel like i cheesed wins is when i spam offense from backstance
Are people unfamiliar with the concept of developer resources? So many people saying they wish pandas slot had gone to some other character like it makes any sense, and people agreeing with it.
Themaingayman. Girls are awesome in this game, I'm an old kazuya main, and still a Mishima main, kazuya is lame as fuck, especially to face, fifty fifty all day. I find it way more interesting to face Alisa, Nina or even bears.
Fighting Kazuya is mostly just a guessing game which involves a lot of luck, and it gets really boring after a few dozen matchups.
His lack of (viable) moves doesn't help his repetitiveness either. Every Kazuya I see feels like the same person but from different timelines in their life lol
I think Azucena is the most annoying character in Tekken history, all that coffee talk and dancing gets on my nerves. More annoying than Julia and Lucky Chloe
yeah she pisses me off "AZUCENA! AZUCENA! AZUCENA! SHUT THE FUCK UP"
You probably lose to the coffee queen
@@Coolcatcvr I'm broke as fuck brazilian from the third world, I like to watch videos and I have no joy in life cause I'll never be able to play these games. I just don't like her personality, total latin stereotype. Delete her and bring back Baek, Ogre, Anna, anyone over this annoying coffe girl.
@@velDANTe I admit the clip of two Azucenas dancing in a match is funny but her coffee talk is so fucking annoying and stereotypical. Give Christie back or a new character that is actually badass, sick of Tekken Skinny Waifus, Reina is also cringe trying to be this intimidating presence.
The lars hate is CRAZY
Meanwhile fucking Dragunov and Devil Jin are somehow okay. Lol
My heart dropped as a lars main😭
Lars moveset is way more bullshit in terms of figuring out wtf he is doing compared to dragunov who's op but can actually see what he's doing to you.
@@vradarx sounds like yu got whooped by a lars. Lars is easy to breakdown. Just launch him whenever he goes into stance. Or dick jab him. He’s only safe with DEN 4 or SEN 3 into DEN 1 on block. Same thing with Victor you can jab or simply side step majority of his stance moves.
@@vradarx A Lars main has to be creative in order for his stances to be effective. Lars has zero to no plus frames on his neutral move-set. He’s just a 50/50 demon during stance. But 90% of his stance moves are unsafe. Playing a Lars is a matter of respect. You need to disrespect his stances by launching him during SEN LEN and DEN. If a Lars makes you afraid of him he already won cuz now he’s made you scared of his stances.
I really, really do not agree that Reina is so similar to Lidia. I get why you would see i10-punish and ff2 into stances and say that's similar tio Lidia, but that's where the similarities end for me. I hope Lidia comes back and I think there's a decent chance for it.
Im not so convinced that Lidia wont come back with some sort of revamp.
Right? I remember her being popular when her trailer dropped, I definitely want to see her return she came out way too late in T7's life.
well well well
@@pepperjacket Well this aged quite well.
how many times are we going to get a male good female bad video
I love playing dragunov so much in this game, but I feel like a tierwhore for playing him so I offset it by transitioning to Leroy when I hit high purple ranks
I went the opposite. I tried a lot of different characters because I was resisting playing Jun, who I wanted to play ever since seeing her inclusion in the game. I gave up avoiding a top tier and I’m having more fun. Almost everyone’s busted to a certain extent anyway plus it’s so early in the games life, so imo play who you like most 🤷 (Leroy is sick tho. I hope he’s not as bad as people originally thought 🤞)
@@ko-yoshi Aside from the running joke being that Leroy is just a non-functional version of feng, he seems just way harder to make work, I would've given up 20 times by now if it wasn't for the insane magicians in the leroy discord
Nah fuck that shit Drag is awesome, keep playing him cuz dont worry the nerfs are coming and then only the real Drag players will remain!
Some people play Dragunov because he is broken, but they'll stop playing him once they nerf him. If you actually like him, go ahead and play drag
as an actual bear...ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAR
As an actual bear as well I’m must to that statement with ……RAaaAaaaaAaaaaRUUH
* Swings wild salmon *
I'mma need that Lars video TMM. You already mentioned it. You slandered a man who has been down for years, we need to know why.
There has to be a traumatic childhood experience with bears, it's hard to explain TMM's hate for Kuma otherwise.
Ain't no way Jin got the green checkmark lol
What we Jin players do lmao????
D2 nuff said@@Lharris94
Jin players ff2 and d2 is enough reason to be pissed but then you got df2 and you still have fantastic homing moves, punishment, etc. 2, 1, 4 is more stupid than ever. Jin mains d ride him hard but he's overkill now.
@@overflowyouknow maybe it's cuz I'm in higher ranks or something but jin is very easy to deal with ff2 and d2 are extremely different in speed so it's relatively easy to fuzzy guard. (D2 is genuinely reactable trust) 2,1,4 is actually easy to deal with u can just backdash every time u see it and force him to take risks instead of ch fishing, all and all jin is extremely honest
@@overflowyouknowI’m a Jin Main the way they downplay this character like he sucks is crazy to me
It’s endearing and wholesome that your son likes Jack so much and it rubs off on you. I’d actually like to see you play Jack for once and it’d be wholesome if your son watched and got all excited to see you win with him (instead of evil Kazuya).
about jin and lee, there is something weird about them in this game. I think that it is associated with their body size and animations. I can't really understand why but they felt way more agile and fluid, and it was what made them such a joy to watch on t7. on 8 everyone is just mega blaster jacked and the animation is kinda... savage-ish. lee still has beautiful gameplay though, but jin doesn't look the same anymore to me. but maybe it has to do with his moveset too, on 7 everything that jin did looked so technical and deliberate, on 8 watching jin gameplay just looks like a refined brawler
The trouble with Jin is his weird flying shit in human form, it's an eyesore.
His base stance just looks off to me
it doesnt help that lee has the third worst backdash in the game and has shit sidesteps
honestly? i think for me its because Jin is not as stubby and short ranged anymore. If you ever had a feel for how he plays, even subconsciously as a casual, you kinda start to appreciate how deliberate his movement must be. his jabs being stubby forced your play.
now people can just spam paw and all that. so that refined use of movement and evasive maneuvers is being replaced by far reaching attacks.
less refined set up/Tekken Style footwork and execution of technical combos, and more simple brawling moves.
... at least that is what i am telling myself now. i noticed that i vastly enjoy watching t7 Jin gameplay compares to t8 and that is me attempting to find an answer
@@GruntSquad92this makes sense, I think it has something to do with the new moves too, like nyg5 mentioned. it completely breaks the "concentrated karate strategist" kind of demeanor when he literally goes down and scratches your shin with energy claws lol
and because they are new key moves and are thrown a LOT his style just goes out the window
The amount of things he says are unique to Tekken that I can assure you exist in other fighting games, sometimes to a greater extent, sometimes to a lesser extent is almost mind-blowing. I guess it's understandable to think that when your main game is the one in question.
TMM is a Lili-enjoyer, I can rest easy now
Thought this was about the character and not how strong they are because he said he liked xiaoyu's existence and uniqueness, then proceeds to give her an X.
So, in the end it just turns into another "tier list" style video.
like, I respect TMM so much that I can't make any "gay" or "sexist" jokes over his hate for women BUT COME ON man, Asuka is NERFED TO HELL FOR THE THIRD GAME IN A ROW cut her some slack
I think it's totally cool to hate Alisa (as an Alisa player myself) but tbh I think she has pretty glaring weaknesses. I think her offensive capabilities without chainsaws are wack. In neutral stance, her best moves are mostly slow keepout tools. B+1 is 15 frames, db+3 is 17 frames and minus on hit. D+3 is super risky and I don't even like throwing it out now that they buffed her d+4. I think the whole reasons her chainsaws are so good on block is because her neutral game forces you to play defensively. I have to really focus on defense in neutral, which is why I feel pretty good when I get a good block or whiff punish or get off a good sidestep etc. Shes cheesy af with chainsaws, but without she can't really threaten you. Keep her out when you have a life lead and you'll do a lot better, trust me!
"Reina... the most amazing and ever designed character in modern Tekken history, ohhh she has so many moves and is so interesting to play with, 10/10 character unlike all of the other scrubby characters in the game"
Yeahhhhhh ,no. FF2 being safe on block, hit confirmable and going into a mid/low/grab/powercrush/guaranteed heat engager mixup would like to have a word with you lmao
Everytime you fight Panda remember that you could've been fighting Bruce instead
this man never talks about nina’s execution in order to be good with her. your inputs can have no mistakes and you need godlike reflexes tf
Yeah my words, Nina is not a easy Character, did TMM even played Nina in Tekken 8?
@@spammfehler7638yeah he took her to god rank he said it was his easiest time getting there with any character
The yoshi glazing is crazy
The only characters I sometimes* don't rematch are Jun, Feng, and Dragonuv. I just don't have the heart to put in the effort. I see them so often and they're so tiresome to fight against.
Jun literally have Desert Eagle on her kit, and she still heals on block
Same bro, OP characters are the ones that are used the most and it's gets so exhausting to deal with their bullishit all the time. I just don't rematch certain characters at this point.
im a feng main in t7 why the hate now on feng in t8? because i only see few feng players but now it gets the hate
@@moxdegiourno7984 I’ve hated Feng since T6. There are good characters and then there are characters that just make the game easy, and Feng is one of them. The difference between an A and S character is significantly higher.
@@ArchlordZer0my winrate with Feng is the same as Jin and my highest is shaheen lol
Spends literally 10 seconds on Leo and doesn't elaborate at all, thanks for your opinion mister pro player
Are you offended bro? Like don't take it so seriously i play saheen in tekken 8 cause ak ain't here and saheen... Aaaaa saheen nobody plays him same as leo so chill no need to get stressed. In 2 years he will be like " omg we totally forgot about leo he is broken " something like that...
Pretty sure unless I labbed incorrectly nothing tracks swr when using Lars, so I don't agree.
I was happy to know that Claudio is still alive if you watch the credits, in the last slide you see Zafina turning around to see Claudio standing there. But for some reason you just see his foot.
Mainman must be getting bodied by Asukas😂
I find it interesting that you're saying Asuka is braindead to play. The only thing I've heard, even from high tier Asuka mains, is that she's underwhelming compared to other characters and just a worse Jun, way worse than her previous incarnations. Then there are other players, like yourself, that say she's hell to play against. So why isn't there a consistence?
Just because a character is bad doesn’t mean that they aren’t annoying to play against. I don’t think she’s annoying tho tbh
Me, a Kuma main, hearing from TMM SWE not rematching Kuma. You know how tiresome it is to find people who want to rematch? Wtf… 😢
aaaw.. 😂
Hahahaha that’s what you get
Play an actual character
Too bad.
it's what yall deserve. jesus, imagine picking up a diverse, 32 character game and deciding to play the fucking bear out of all options..
Mainman started having flash backs when he said Leo is 50/50 😂 wall carry and wall damage is insane when you get hit from it
as usual tmm just hates almost all the women but loves reina bc she acts masculine and is ofc a mishima lmao
i like dragunov as a tekken character overall but how u can like him in this iteration of the game lmaooo he’s just way too overtuned
TMM hates Asuka whilst shes being garbage tier, classic Masku
hear me out marduk in tekken 8 is the monster no one is prepared for when he's released
this game is catered to him
People be like "I wish they gave (Character i don't like) spot to (Character i like) instead, because (Add explanation of why the character i like should be in the game)"
Bro really be kicking Asuka whilst she is down....
MainMan sleeping on the Sandman (Shaheen) just like everyone else. Works for us Shaheen mains, we'll quietly climb to God of Destruction with LowHigh as our guide 😎
lars no counter play? insane lol
Yeh idk what that take is Lars seems very strong and mixup machine but still lacks ch launchers and in the neutral he’s pretty crap and doesn’t get great frames on stuff
Lars seems much better then t7 idk why everyone thinks he’s worse in this one
@@jacobwooten977 yeah he’s basically the same as t7 but he has more moves and better options
Lars without heat is almost worse than T7 Lars. His frames are pretty bad. Other than 1,1,1 he basically has the worse neutral heat dashes in the game
@@ultraborisgaming7929 I played a lot with Lars in 7 the amount of new options makes more openings to be this version is far better
It was very difficult to open people up in 7 once people got used to his movements and strings there’s no way to pull off a win, in this one I can get pressure building a force mistake
Frames my be worse but I’ll take it
Honestly nowadays I don’t know if Asuka carries so hard, with all of the nerfs and the lowest damage output, she can VERY much carry to red ranks but beyond that in ruler + she can struggle without some basic fundamentals. Maybe I’m biased because in T7 she carried so much harder
I find it funny that he likes reina when she's one of the most anime characters in the game, down to being super secret child of a legacy character BUT she has the super op ability the current protags have and is left as the only one with it after the story ends. Also why are we acting like tekken isn't inherently anime af, kazuya turns into a devil, jin can too, heihachi was an old man able to smack them both around AND the whole story is their family squabble
He is a Mishima fanboy to the core. If she wasnt a Mishima he would've been complaining about her nonstop.😂
I'll probably be called a scrub for this, but I absolutely despise Devil Jin.
When dude is in heat, it's a guarantee that whatever momentum you had in the match is now his completely.
It's so aggravating to have a DJ on the ropes, they hit heat, and suddenly there's just overwhelming aggression and 50/50's flying at you (literally) and now you might lose because of it.
You’re not a scrub no matter what anyone else says. His heat is busted and I would know since I play him
Hot take for this channel
I like all the characters and rematch everyone (Unless their internet stinks) :)
Am i the only one that thinks The Goddamn Sun is reflecting off TMM face in this vid. He looks like he is decending from heaven itself.
TMMS: Im gonna publicaly hate characters i dont personally like
Also TMMS: Im gonna still play this game and not rematch characters i dont like
He rematches pretty much everyone, even the dogshit horde of juns
i am legit confused, what is the point of this comment?
i know it sounds combative and that is not how i mean it at all, but i am reading this for the last two minutes and somehow cannot understand what argument it is making xD
he does rematch everyone so i dont see the point of this comment
@@KoufalKoufax he literally said he doesn't rematch bears in the beggining of the video
Where's the contradiction? LMAO
TMM, did you know that lars orbital crush MID !? If he does orbital after you block 2,1, lars will crush most df1 in the game and launch you. Work in practice mode against Reina and Jin df 1 for example.
Between TMM and LotusAsakura all this hate for the bears ☹️ i definitely think the fact they take up 2 character slots is crazy, could have easily done like they did in the older games and make panda and Kuma share the same slot. But mechanics wise I really don’t understand the hatred other than the common “nobody knows the matchup” reason.
Weird hitboxes and combo drops due to it
As someone who has always liked Law since Tekken 3, I don't like Law that much in Tekken 8. It's not because his DSS execution is easy, it's because his new moves that don't use nunchucks are mediocre. They're so boring compared to his new moves back in Tekken 5 and 6.
31:36 Mainman meets Shaheen at party
"Lydia is not coming back"
Quite the twist