6.7 Powerstroke or 7.3 Godzilla? It's a really tough decision here
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- Today we spend some time in the woods talking about trucks, 6.7 Powerstroke or 7.3 Godzilla. I'm trying to decide which one to go with in a new F550 Dump. Also dropped a couple dead Red Oak. #diesel #ford #superduty
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Restired Ford senior master technician who has worked on every engine made. The 7.3 would be a better choice for short trip use, expecially if you plan on keeping the unit as the 6.7 will develope serious problems from short trip usage over time. Love your content, Montana Thanks Jerry & Joyce
What do you define as short trip? Anything under 10min? And what problems does it create? Trying to keep my new 6.7 happy
As a Former senior master Ford tech and worked on many PS the gas engine does make more sense than the PS because of the short trip issues. But the gas engine needs to e driven on hwy a few miles every once n while to get engine up to temperature short trips and idle is hard on gas engines also so maintenance is really important in those situations don't over look oil change just because of few miles think bout the hrs running love your channel look forward to checking for new videos every morning after cranking up my catalytic wood burner😊
The issue I have with mine is is clogged filter. Have to drive it 30 mies to clear it up.
You will be much happier with the diesel. Heavy trucks need the torque and power! ❤
As a ford mechanic you never had to worry about not having work! Why not just tell him what POS fords really are without telling him what a POS fords are.... lol😅😅😅@markhanners6549
Howdy from Texas Mike! I tow a 12,500# 5th wheel with my F350 7.3 gasser. It has 4.3 gearing for extra torque. More than half the time we travel in the mountains. The engine will jump to 4000+ rpms at times but that's how it's been designed. That will be your most noticeable difference when towing. Plus we get 8.5mpg towing, 13mpg in town, and 16mpg on the hwy... Hope that helps!! Your honesty and common sense is refreshing to watch. Thank you for sharing your life with us. 😊
Hi Mike. I do tree work for a living. I work for a municipality now as an arborist and previously I worked for a landscape company that has a tree division. Both places use ford 450 and 550 dump trucks. Because of the cost they are all gas motors. Every one I used had mad power. I think the gas motors are fine. I noticed the wood burner looked like a picture in the video from the other day but when you went by the stove you could see that it was just a nice bed of coals. Love your channel. Take care.
Hi Mike I worked at Cummins in Tech Support for many years I had this question many times . For stop and go and short trips the diesel engine never really is a benefit as it never warm up. For long trips I suggest diesel. Because it warms up and burns cleaner, also less regens when hot and uses less DEF fluid. My son is on his 4th 350 Cummins powered and trades them in at about 300,000 miles he’s has never had a problem and just does regular maintenance. I always tell people to not modify the engine as that causes extra problems from what I have experienced in my line of work.
My advice to you is go with the gas engine as it’s more suited for what the application you are stating.
In 2022, I ordered an F350 equipped with the 7.3l and geared at 4.30. My goal was to get as close to the diesel towing specs as possible. I tow a 20' trailer with an RK 37 tractor and 2 implements and usually a 4 wheeler in the bed, to KY, 3 times a year. Power is never questioned. Gas mileage towing is about 9mpg and 10.5mpg without towing. I don't regret my decision. Love the videos Mike
Hi Mike, I thought I left a comment on here earlier, but I don't see it. Maybe it didn't save. We're really happy with our 7.3. One of the advantages of the gasser is that the engine weighs less than the diesel, so your payload capacity is higher. Just like the decision to go with aluminum dump vs steel, choosing the gas over the diesel will increase the amount of weight you can legally carry in the dump. We made the switch to the Godzilla in our new F350 after 17 years of diesel F350 ownership.
We recently ordered and purchased the F250 4x4 SWB 7.3 Godzilla Lariat Crew. I was in your situation and same amount of use. It was a no brainer, has plenty of power! The additional cost of the diesel and maintenance was insane and we just couldn’t justify. My old 2001 7.3 diesel was great but we are Very Happy with our Godzilla purchase. Hope this helps.
Mike, I personally have a 2007 Chevy 1 ton diesel dump truck and manage a hobby farm that has a 2005 Chevy 1 ton gas dump truck with 8’ snow plow. I have free access to that gas dump truck as much as I want and I still went out and bought the diesel.
I do tree service work, towing my skid steer with stump grinder and sell about 50 full cords of firewood a year and the power was even close for my uses.
One other thing to consider is use in the winter, and not having to worry about glow plugs or plugging in the diesel. Although I’ve heard the newer diesels are better in the cold.
But either way you’ll absolutely love the agility of the dump truck over a dump trailer, the advantages are literally mind blowing especially for delivery firewood.
I know the 05 gas is nothing compared to the power of the new gas dump you’re looking at, but in my opinion the power is worth it for the times you do tow or just have a good load but that’s me again inserting my needs not yours.
But the right answer is yes just get one and a plow with back blade is something also to consider.
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I have owned a 6.7 PS since 2011 (first year), I've replaced the turbo to an ATS model and deleted it. I love my F350 for towing my gooseneck dump and 40' 5th wheel toyhauler, but have considered the 7.3 for the next one. Maintenance on oil changes, fuel filters and overall repairs are far more $ with the 6.7 than compared to the 7.3. If you were hauling distance, and replacing it every 4-6 years I'd say 6.7, but for your application, the 7.3 wins hands down IMHO. Great channel, hope everyone is well, Goodluck with the truck!!
Mike, I very much enjoy watching your channel. I struggled with the same 7.3 vs 6.7 debate three years ago when I ordered my truck (always been diesel guy). I ultimately settled on a 7.3 F250 Tremor Package in the XLT trim and love it. We live on a cattle ranch and the 7.3 is used primarily for it's off road ability and not towing big trailer loads (other diesel rigs are available on that front.). I do however pull a 20' trailer with a small track loader or mini excavator on short trips and it does fine. Not only is the 7.3 considerable less expensive but the engine is significantly lighter which makes it much more nimble on soft ground. The diesels are so front end heavy they ten to plow and push on deep snow or mud, the lighter 7.3 navigates these conditions much better in my opinion. I don't regret the 7.3 gasser decision one bit. Keep up the good content. Thanks Jeff
I work at Ford motor company as a technician on trucks for 37 years. What you described in the way you’re going to use it. I would definitely go with the gas motor. No question. It’ll do everything you ask her to do and more.
Mike, I have both. A 2022 F550 with the 7.3L and a 2023 F550 with a 6.7L for my landscaping, excavation business. Without a question for what you are going to do, go with the gasser. We have had ours for 1 year and put 18,000 miles on it. Great, Great short trip truck. When hauling 5 ton you will never want anymore power. Just make sure you get the 4.88 gears. One thing a would recommend for the dump body would be a switch N go. We love it. Reach out if you have any more questions. We use these trucks everyday. For what you are going to do you will not be disappointed in the 7.3 at all!
Mike I have had the diesels and now and on my second 7.3 . I absolutely love it . Loads of power especially on a 550 chassis with low gearing . I tow a 40 foot toyhauler camper and will run with anyone in the mountains. Maintenance costs way less and easier in the winter . Just my 2 cents . Good luck !
I have a 2022 , 7.3 F250 Super duty. and I pull a 7x16 enclosed tool trailer that is about 6000lbs. I don’t get the best gas mileage, but this motor is incredible!! I think it would be perfect for local , close to home stuff! When I haul the trailer north to our cabin, I get around 7.5 to 8.5 mpg . I will tell you this , the 10 speed trans has some issues, slips and slams sometimes. Not sure what trans comes in the dump body. Just a heads up.
Love your videos! Best of luck.
While you mentioned most of the reasons to go with the 7.3 over the 6.7, one additional thought is finding someone to repair it if you were on the road and had a breakdown. The 7.3 is fairly basic and a good mechanic should be able to fix about any issue but when it comes to the 6.7 finding a good diesel mechanic isn’t so easy. They are far more complex and you can almost replace the 7.3 for the cost of some 6.7 repairs. While I love the sound and power of a diesel, short trips of 3 to 5 thousand miles per year aren’t worth the high cost of purchase, just price an oil change plus fuel filters and you will feel better about the 7.3. I always say buy what you want, it’s your money, they are expensive so you want to be happy with it for a long time.
I currently own a F350 with 6.7 diesel hauling horses. From your description of your needs, the 7.3 gas engine would suit your needs. As you know diesel are made to run and keeping them hot helps keep carbon build up in you particular filter down. Which if it get clogged up is a $10,000 fix through a dealer. Ask me how I know that! I have friends in the horse business that have started to make the move from the 6.7 to the 7.3 as well.
I was a diesel guy for years. 2023 I changed to the gas and I like it. This winter in Ohio has been colder than normal. My brother has a diesel , he's had twice his def has frozen and it's been extensive to repair. So I missed that problem. I don't regret the gas one bit.
God bless you and your family.
If you are purchasing a 550 consider a switch-n-go body. Made local to you. Just up in sagertown. Originally Hadley. It’s a roll off truck platform for medium duty trucks. They can build any bed you think you would use.
Good morning from Minnesota Mike and family. I have both a gas and diesel truck in my arsenal and most times for short close to home work I will take the gas for a couple different reasons: The gas truck warms up faster in the cold weather than the diesel and starts better too, the maintenance is quite a bit cheaper on the gas than the diesel. Now my two trucks are as follows, I have a 2012 Ram 3500 6.7l Cummins and my gas is a 2001 Chevy C3500HD with the 8.1l gas motor. With that in mind empty the Cummins will get 20-25 gpm the Chevy around 14-15gpm on a good day, when hauling the Cummins will get anywhere from 8-12 gpm the Chevy 10-12gpm (both trucks are automatic transmissions). Gas is way cheaper than diesel to run and if you are only hauling short trips or whatever, I would do the gas all day long. Long term it used to be that they were about the same over time cost wise but that has changed with diesel prices and overall costs.
Mike, my electrical shop has a gas 1 ton gas dump bed truck. We use it less than 5k miles a year. We have noticed the lack of power while we tow out mini or skid loader. Plus have a hard time keep it at 55mph.
You answered your question. Initial cost of diesel engine, operating costs of diesel vs gas, longevity, and using locally, gas is the best bet. The new diesels are meant to used, driven many miles at highway speeds in order to keep them in top operating condition(idling and chugging around town are a newer diesels worst enemy). Like your channel!
Mike, I can’t say enough of how thankful I am for your channel. I have learned a ton of info from you over the years. You had a big influence on me leaving Alaska and ending up owning an 82 acre cattle and hay farm in central Missouri. You gave me the encouragement that I could undertake the challenges and be successful. I own a lot of “Outdoors with the Morgans” swag which I proudly wear and use as a small token of appreciation. Thanks again Mike!
Wow, thank you!
Where in central MO? Our farm is in St Clair County.
Curious also. Our farm is in Howard County. @@johnsadler8637
3000 miles a year usage you said, stop right there and get the gas. Hands down end of story. Just my 2 cents.
I had a F-250 with a 7-3 and pulled a Bobcat and a Kubota with a rotary cutter and it had plenty of power for hauling. We also used I’d for traveling and averaged around 18 mpg while on the highway. I was very satisfied with this truck. Good Luck
I’ve got a 2014 F250 with the 6.2 gas. It’s been a great truck and has 267,000 miles 12-14 mpg. Only had to replace an alternator and a few front wheel bearings. As always buy what you think is right for you. That 10k right off the bat for the diesel is a tough pill!! Great content keep up the good work!
Hi Mike. I have a F600 for my firewood business. For me the gas was an easy choice. More importantly was getting the 84" c/a and having a 11.5' body built to my specs. I always upgrade deck thickness, added cross supports, and heavier hoist. These added upgrades are a minimal expense and the dump body will hold up much better long term. I can haul 2 cords with no effort. Plenty of power and braking on our Vermont hills.
Extremely smart upgrades on your dump body sir!!!!!
Going with the fact that I owned a power stroke and had the opportunity to drive the 7.3 also and being 61 years old not having to be worried about diesel geling up or just getting stale. We don’t have to worry about fuel in the way here in Alberta. They automatically change from summer to winter in about September and change back about June.
But for a truck that is going to sit a good part of the time my money would be on the gasser. Only my opinion, thanks for the wonderful content that you and your family puts out. It has being a blast following along with you.
Based on what you state as your use case - gasser. I own a F350 powerstroke. Love the truck. The cost of maintenance + DEF + Higher fuel costs = higher cost of ownership versus the gasser. If you were running the dump truck day in and day out, the extra running cost can have a benefit from the durability of the diesel engine. In your case where its going to be light duty, save the $$ and get the gasser. You'll never find a way to get a positive ROI on the diesel. Much more so if you don't plan to ever sell it.
For what it is worth: I had a 2006 F250 with the 6.0 liter diesel. I bought it in anticipation of towing an Airstream trailer all over the country. That did not work out, but I kept the truck for 16 years and loved it. I towed a utility trailer when we moved; I towed a flat bed to move equipment; and used the truck as my back-up vehicle if the primary unit was in the garage. The main problem I had was the turbo needing cleaning from lack of use.
I replaced the F250 with a 2022 F350 with the 7.3 liter gas engine. Why? The light use, the DEF nonsense and the increased cost of the diesel engine. The 7.3 is OK, it will tow, though of course does not have low end torque of a diesel and I do not get much over 13 MPG driving empty with no trailer. Still, I think for infrequent use, I am pleased and think I made the right choice for my situation.
My 05 6.0 never got more than 12 mpg empty it was a F350 srw CCSB 4X4. I have a 2016 F350 with a 6.2 gas truck gets 14mpg empty.
A few years back I did the same examination. I am a GM guy (nothing wrong with Fords) and was considering a GM mid size dump with the 8.1 big block or the Duramax. I am not in business hauling firewood nor would I typically need to tow much with it. Mileage per year could average 5k. The gas engine made more sense even if a couple times per year I needed to tow or take a trip of a few hundred miles. The power is not an issue as a few decades ago the truck base engine would have been a 292 inline six with a two speed rear end. The gas engine maintenance is less expensive and the very cold weather starting is better. Save the money. By the way, I love diesels, but you need to use them often for heavy work to justify.
Good morning Mike!
I have a 2021 F250 7.3 Lariet that I bought new.
I'm at 73,800 (trouble free) miles.
I tow a 7k tool trailer and 14k dump trailer for my Remodeling business. The truck has never left me short on power/suspension. I looked into the diesel and like you are experiencing l heard the bad things with DIF etc.
After the last 5,800 miles the truck trip meter says I'm doing 10.9 mpg.
I have been at 18mpg going to Michigan across Ohio. Alot depends on how heavy footed you are also.
I'm also in Western PA. Just south of where you are.
(We actually met once at Sheetz in Robinson)
If you want I'll bring the truck up and you can hook up a loaded trailer to it and see how it pulls.
Hey Mike, I love watching your channel every day that they come out. A lot of us just dream about having a place like yours. My 2 cents on the engines I am a mostly retired heavy truck technician and I would lean toward the 7.3. My reasoning is like a lot of others have said is the emissions and regen issues. Just another thought is I would go with the smallest gas tank that you can get since it won't see much use. If you have a big tank it may take a couple of months or more to go through a tank of gas. If you search Gasoline shelf life, you get answers all over the chart. Truth is gasoline begins to go downhill as soon as it leaves the refinery. I personally like to limit holding onto gas to about 3 or 4 months you can add stabilizers and make it last up to a year.
so, on the flip side to that, diesel doesnt degrade (yes possible gel in the winter) it does regen, but if hes not using much, its a moot point. youll gum up gas injectors with bad gas faster than diesel injectors, and gas injectors arent cheap either
Comes down to idle time Mike. If you're going to have TON of idle time, it may be better to get the gas. The city my son works at buys gassers for this reason. If you won't have a TON idle time, get the 6.7l. You already have a 6.7 and know it high idles when it's idling too long and cooling down so they have fixed most of the clogging issues. So, when I say a TON of idle time, I mean a ton. If it's a small amount, nothing to worry about. Also, resale would be better if for some reason you did have to sell. If you keep the thing for the rest of your life, the diesel you save will make up for the additional cost. As far the F250/F350 choice. There are more differences between the two. Axles, brakes being the biggies. I have a 14' dump trailer and when I had an F250, it was CLEAR it didn't have the spring package and the biggest brakes.
Good call on the gasser. All the points you made were spot on. I ran a large municipal fleet for decades. From EV autos to heavy trucks and tons of small equipment. Been retired a little over a year now and other than the people, I don't miss it one bit. When you factor in your described usage, and the near constant issues that we seemed to run into with DEF headers, EGRs blowing crap back through the intake, and other emission control issues on the modern diesels, suffice it to say that the gasser will make you happy and probably bring a few less headaches to boot. Best wishes for all in the New Year.
Very happy with my 7.3 and yes I bought the 250 for the same reasons you explained lower maintenance costs also
Mike, I commented earlier and I’m a street superintendent. We have a whole fleet of these trucks. Most are 6.7 mounted with plow and dump beds. We have no issues with short trips or def problems. We have purchased the Godzilla as well. It’s capable but no where near the truck as the 6.7 all of our trucks are 450’s and 550’s and not a problem with any of the 6.7’s. It’s your decision and your hard earned money. But if I was you and in your shoes I’d get the 6.7 in a 450 with stainless steel bed with folding sides. The resale of these are awesome if you were ever to need to get rid of it.
What difference do you see in performance? I have had two F-550's the last few years. One with the 7.3 and one with the 6.7. The 7.3 is a dream to drive and picks up speed better when loaded heavier. The 6.7 gets 1mpg better but that's all it ever did better. Same year, simmilar bodies, same transmission amd gear ratios. The 7.3 is 4x4 but that should make it suffer worse for mpg.
Our 6.7 and Godzilla are all 4 wheel drive. The 6.7 is definitely the better of the two trucks. Both trucks have been sent on long road trips with 20’ trailers with dove tails and both trucks got the jobs done. All my employees fight over who gets to drive the 6.7’s they have a much more comfortable ride and is much quieter of a truck. As well as the 6.7 isn’t always shifting. I believe for the extra money the 6.7 cost is worth it all day long. I’ve had all the trucks since 2005 and hands down the 6.7 wins every box.
@DarrellDuncan-bi9jx longest I have been in either is about a 3 hour drive. I normally don't notice much downshifting in either unless I get into hills or have a heck of a headwind. I have had the godzilla pushing 26k lbs, and it never sweeted. Truthfully, I always felt the 6.7 would have done better with a trans tune. It just seemed like anytime it would start to actually pull, it would shift and not have power again. I had to be super cautious with it pulling out into traffic. The shift logic seems to work better with the 7.3 than the 6.7 in the 10 speeds. I hear guys bragging on them all the time. I just never felt it the cost difference. I am saying this as someone who works as a mobil mechanic for a dealer. Both are service trucks. Heavy hauling every day all day I would look diesel. As a personal truck with occasional heavy loads, I will likely stick to gas if it is my money. One cp4 failure, we will pay for a new gas engine a time or two. We have seen several under warranty servicing sooner than recommended intervals by Ford with all oem parts. That being saidnwe have only lost one 7.3 due to a scored cylinder. Previous tech was fired and allowed to take his truck home to clean it out. I'm not sure if he did something or if it was the face that he started it in the morning and let it run all day until he got home regardless of what he was doing. Either way, thanks for your input.
I have been trying to decide on what engine would meet my needs. After looking at my needs, mostly short trips with towing six to seven times a year (~14,000lbs). The cost difference of just the engines, $10,000 allows me to drive about 40,000 miles based on $3 a gallon gas if the 7.3 gets 12 miles to the gallon. Based on my needs and sounds like your low mileage needs that is several years of driving just with that savings. In addition, when you look at maintenance of a diesel engine vs gas (amount of oil, filters, etc.) there is an additional savings. If I was towing everyday, long distances, driving long distances, I would go with the power stroke diesel engine. Yet, I'm not, so the 7.3 allows me to two what I need to tow. The gas mileage is less than a diesel, but the cost savings from initial price and service helps offset that cost. Plus, gas in our area is cheaper than diesel, so there is an additional savings. One final note, I keep my vehicles usually 10 years or longer so the increase trade in value of the diesel engine doesn't come into play for me. Just my two cents and will be interested in seeing what you decide. Either answer is good choice, just which is better for you?
I have F550 work truck that has the 7.3. Would definitely recommend it. I carry a lot of weight everyday with tools and parts and haven't had any issues. I average around 10 mpg. My old service truck was a diesel and just the difference in getting the truck was worth it
Mike, I have been reading many of the comments and for what you plan on using the dump truck for makes more sense to go with the 7
3 Godzilla motor. Low mileage and short trips would be easier for the gasser. The diesel engine would never really warm up on short trips which is tougher on a diesel. The extra cost for the diesel plus DEF plus the fuel, it just makes sense to go with the gas engine. Just changing the oil alone is a bit expensive on a diesel. Good luck with your decision and new purchase. I can't wait to see your new dump truck. Take care.
Worked for a heavy const. co. We had the same questions about gas vs diesel in C5500 GM platform dumps. We bought one of each. Over time (2 yrs.)the cost of operation was higher for the dsl. when you factor in the $10,000 for the engine.
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The oldest house I ever worked on here in Wisconsin was 151 yrs old.
A once in a lifetime experience.
I’ve had both gas and Diesel F250’s. When I bought the last one I went with the gasser. It easily tows my trailers (10,000# gvw). Look hard at the cost per mile. My calculations indicated that for every $0.10/gallon more the Diesel fuel cost is worth 1 mpg. (This includes def). So, if Diesel cost $1 per gallon more than gas the truck would need to get 10MPG better than the gasser just to break even. As you already stated, the Diesel is a $10,000 option.
For you I’d go gas gas is cheaper and cranks better when it’s cold and quiet
The gas is a lighter engine i have a 7.3 in a 250 with a 4.3 rear axle an get 13 to 16 no load . For your use the 7.3 will do it an be cheaper
Hello from Wisconsin, if you are buying a 4x4 f-550 dump truck I believe the gasser will suit your power needs because you will be able to back up loaded uphill with the truck in 4x4 low range. Absolutely impossible with a gasser 2 wheel drive dually they just don’t have the guts you need especially in hilly terrain like yours. Also I have had issues when using snow plows on gassers because the exhaust manifolds crack from temp shock from snow and slush splashing on them. I actually run my cold front on my grill when plowing my driveways with my f-350 6.4 power stroke SRW to keep snow out of the engine compartment and radiators.
I would go with the 7.3 gas. These newer diesel engines with all the emissions equipment don't do as well when you make a lot of short trips,
I had the same thoughts about your wood fire. 😂
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Hey Mike, thanks for the great videos! First, I’m a GM guy so I know my comments aren’t totally what you’re after. But… I have swapped back and forth between gas and diesel, light and HD many times over the last 20 years. I like both (clearly) and think both are a good buy. I’ll play diesels advocate based on owning and landscape and construction business for nearly 20 years. All your considerations are valid but my personal thoughts are this… 1) if you keep it for 30 years the cost of the diesel option is less than $30 a month. You’re doing 1 oil change a year, not much fuel or DEF at 3k miles per year.
2) gassers are fun and have a lot of grunt but I’ve never driven one that will haul a load at less than 2k RPM going up a hill.
3) If all your other vehicles and equipment are diesel and on site diesel tank could be a consideration.
4) I would go diesel because of personal preference. Cost is a huge variable but over the rest of your life it may not be all that different.
As a side note, if you get the diesel and have problems someone will be probably be willing to pay you a premium to take over those problems. Thanks again, Alan.
Hey Mike, I think your train of thought is spot on. 2022 F250 CCLB 4x4 7.3 here. You won’t be dissapointed with the 7.3. If you hop on the 7.3 and expect the performance of the 6.7 then you will be dissapointed but you know that already. The 48 gallon tank is a must in my opinion for the 7.3. You could probably replace the entire 7.3 with a brand new engine for what a cp4 replacement of a 6.7 will run you.
Make sure you do get the aluminum dump body. I just replaced the floor in my dump truck due to rust holes and it is quite the job. I spent weeks working on the floor.
I also wanted to say, I have an old V 10 that has plenty of power . It still handles my 11,000 pound camper. I faced the same decision about a gas or diesel, I am totally satisified with the gas.
Hats off to you, you hit all the same points of debate I went through with my last purchase. I run a tree service, I own both the powerstroke and the godzilla. 95% of my work is within 20 miles of my shop. When I purchased the godzilla on my 550 I had the same debate. For me in Wisconsin, diesel is always more expensive than gas, I ran the numbers and the +$10-12k for the motor, compared to the increased maintenance, I went with the gas. My Godzilla has @28K miles, is 2020, 10 speed trans, its not meant for long hauls, but pulls whatever I have put behind it. I have over loaded the dump bed with white oak, overloaded a 12' 14k gvwr dump trailer with the same white oak, and drove to the wood yard, no problem. I personally would compare the power of the Godzilla, to my 6.4 Powerstroke before it was deleted. All that being said, I'm consolidating my fleet and upgrading my F150 (5.0 coyote, 276K miles, best engine I've ever owned) to a 250/350, and debating between the gas and diesel, and am leaning towards the diesel just because of fuel mileage. Reach out to me for pics, just delivered dump trailer and bed full of split oak today. P.S., it was -7 yesterday for delivery, gas started no problem not plugged in.
Hey Mike, my opinion is that if you’re truly and genuinely only going to use it locally and don’t have any plans to be taking it to West Virginia and do long-haul towing of any sort the gas motor might work better. If you do go with the gas motor just pay very close attention to gearing with the gas motors, and the transmissions that are available for those mason dumps And commercial trucks gearing is everything. It’s not gonna be so hot on fuel but it’s worth it in the long run when it comes to pulling heavy loads up hills through the mountains in the back roads plus you don’t have to worry about all the DEF and DPF and EGR and all that stuff, I’m pretty much a hard-core diesel guy, but maintenance on my ram, 5500 is really expensive just for basic maintenance let alone tires. You know already that the diesel is going to outperform the gas by a longshot, but in your case, it just might not be necessary to have a diesel. And in addition to paying close attention to gearing with that truck, you also might want to do a little bit of digging into tow capacities, payload capacities. You might find that the gas motor and transmission capabilities might reduce amount of weight you can haul or tow to the extent that you might find it. The gas motor might not work for what you might need in your to capacity.🙂👍
I don't have any direct experience with either engine and I'm actually a GMC/Chevy guy but from what you're describing I would go with the 7.3 gasser. Lower initial cost, lower maintenance costs (oil change, fuel filters, etc.) No expensive to repair emission systems, no DEF as you mentioned. Diesels don't like those short runs like you're going to be doing with the truck and I don't know if the DPF regen works the same on the Ford as the GMC/Chev but you'll probably end up with problems because you will build up too much soot in the DPF if its not doing the complete regen when needed. Just my thoughts. As my mother used to always say..."you'll make the right decision". Dave
Hey Mike, I know cost is a big issue but i would lean to the Powerstroke more for the low end torque than any of the other advantages you already know about. JMO really but especially with a load and a trailer, the advantages of having that low end torque from the Powerstroke makes it much more maneuverable especially on any type of hilly terrain. I know you have done your homework and researched it endlessly, which is why i enjoy your videos when you do a review on tools and everything else; so i'm confident you will make an informed decision. However you asked for my opinion so now you have it. LOL
I'm surprised to see that I have the unpopular opinion with regards to engine choice.... I'm a retired senior L1 master tech (Chry) and still an active certified welder, I haul heavy loads with my F350 Powerstroke and use it to plow in the winter (Boston area).... especially since you consider this to be your last dump truck, I would always choose the diesel, you just don't know what, in he future, you will want that truck to do and won't regret having more power in a bigger work truck
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Six of one and half dozen of the other... depends on your application and use. I went with the diesel because I live in the mountains of NC and anywhere we go I have to pull my camper up the mountain and the diesel does a little better than the gas truck... If I didn't regularly tow up the mountain, I would have gone with the gas. I do like my diesel, but the cost of fuel and maintenance does factor in. As far as fuel economy, I did the math between my old gas and my diesel on a 1000 mile trip and the diesel cost less for fuel, but the maintenance evens it out in the end. I personally believe the gas would suit you just fine for what you have described.
I'd say gasser over diesel. I struggled with this decision when I bought my truck to tow my camper. For diesel first cost is higher, maintenance is higher, fuel is higher, extortion fluid is required, towing capacity is reduced due to the extra weight of a diesel engine vs. the gasoline engine and the last reason is that short trips are harder on diesel than gas engines. I went with the gasser F250 to tow my camper, it has the towing capacity I need. Only read downside is MPG but the lower cost of gasoline helps that and the $10K premium upfront on the diesel also helps to offset the extra fuel consumption. Great channel, great content, great family......I appreciate your candor an "pull no punches" attitude of your videos. Keep up the great work.
I’ve read several articles on how fleet managers are switching from diesel to gas on many of their trucks. Mostly for the very reasons you mentioned. Repair cost and yearly maintenance cost. Reliability is high on newer vehicles and unless they are over the road trucking it now makes sense to go gas.
I got my 1st powerstroke in 95. I did not need it but I sure enjoyed it. I went back to a gas burner and although I liked it, I really missed the diesel power. After that truck went back to diesel and have had one every since. I just bought a 24 GMC similar to the one you have. I have had GMC diesels before, but I think this is the best so far. It really comes down to what you like. Good Luck.
The thing to think about the cab and chassis trucks is that they’re both derated trucks. I think the 7.3 gas will suit you just fine. Especially not driving it as much as your personal pickup.
I agree with you on the gas engine for low mileage use, my experience with a diesel on low mileage use was not as practical in the long run, for example, fuel cost, maintenance cost, overall cost was higher on the diesel than the gas burner. I like the way you crunch the numbers, prior to decision time, I think you're on the right track. Very best to you and your family for the new year from east central Alabama. William
Good morning Mike. I agree with your need for a dump truck. I also agree with the idea of saving money. I'm an unconventional thinker, I would put a dump bed with a hydrolic lift on the truck you already own saving the stock bed for when you get ready to trade the truck in. Selling the bronco should pay for the exchange. Meaning no payments and maybe leaving some cash in hand. That is if you don't mind driving a dump truck as a prsonal truck. Remember a dollar saved is a dollar earned. You still have the other truck for shorter hauls.
My daily driver is a RAM 2500 6.4 Hemi 4x4 used for local transportation and hauling for all the reasons you state preferring a gasoline fueled truck. No towing and better payload without the weight of a diesel engine. We take it on road trips within the state of Texas a few times per year. The gas engine warms up quickly for short trips and it cruises on the interstate very nicely. I recommend the gasoline truck of your choice. I do not have a travel trailer to pull, so a 3/4 ton unit does the job well.
Good morning Mike. Considering your plans with the truck I think I would go with the 7.3. One reason being is regen on the 6.7. These new diesel engines regen about once per fill up, and the engine needs to basically be at highway speed for about 20 minutes in order to complete the regen. If you are only driving 10-15 miles on the average, with probably a lot of stops and starts and idling, you may have regen problems. Just my two cents. Have a great day!
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I had a 474 gas in a 3500 Chevy and had no trouble pulling a 20 ft gooseneck with 15000 pound trackhoe on our winding and hilly roads in south Mississippi. My friends with diesels seem to have a bit more minor problems than me. My theory is not to worry about how fast you can go but how fast you can stop. It can be a killer. Have fun and stay safe!
I had a couple low annual mileage diesel fire vehicles- they were a constant problem with turbos and other components due to not being run enough. I think given your planned usage the gas may indeed be a better choice.
I have a 2022 F350 with the 7.3 gasser with an 8 foot bed. I have loaded the bed full of mulch as well as towed my tandem 16' trailer full of mulch together. The engine can flat out pull whatever you will haul or pull as described. I pull a 21'7" boat and trailer regularly and have hauled multiple trailers with tractors and other vehicles with no problems.
Hello Mike, the choice is easy. Never owned either myself, but I do know this.
Powerstroke because:
1. Spending the money for Alum. box upgrade, don't sell yourself short at the power plant.
2. Long lasting, plus diesel can be easily made if ever needed.
3. Future plans are never what we seem to expect, you never know the distances one may need to travel in the unstable future.
Thanks to you and the family, looking forward to your choice.
Hasn't been above freezes for the last several days here in Rochester, NY and won't be until several days more. Snow is Lake Ontario effect. All of the white stuff is dry and fluffy. Makes it easy on the back when shoveling our suburban driveway. We got spoiled with warm weather 'til now. Be well.
6.7 Powerstroke, You will always want to do more once you have it. It may be $10,000 more up front. It has better value in the long-term and resale. I don't remember how many times I have said "This is my last ... I'll ever buy." Of course, time keeps on going and I buy a new another one.
Being that you already have 2 diesel pickup trucks that will handle your needs, and you love your 1970 highboy, it appears the dump will be sitting . Diesels don't like to sit esp with the regen issues for short trips / idle times.. I feel the gasser 7.3 will fill your needs with no problems. Also, being that times have changed, it becomes difficult to get parts, and sometimes even fuel availablity. the longegevity will be cheaper for the cost, and for a business decision you are wiser having both available for your use. I own 2 gassers and a Large Diesel commercial pickup truck. I love both, and it is nice to have both gas and Diesel choices. This new dump may give you almost the same joy as your highboy. (I get it. Have all bases covered). Good luck either way , you wont get hurt by it.
Mike, I think you have answered your own question about what to buy. The 7.3 fits the bill, however; the Ford GT500 LM Edition (Supercar) that you looked at in the dealership, would fit well In the lineup somewhere, and I’m sure it would be a fun drive around town, think of the trips that you and Hunter could have grabbing a sandwich at Sheetz …!
Good luck, I am sure you will make the right decision… stay warm my friend…!
I'd lean to the 7.3 but they have had issues as well. Hopefully, they have them sorted out by now.
Hi Mike, I am no expert but for myself if i was only doing short local work and maybe an occasional long distance use I think I’d probably go with the gas engine, especially if you’re going to keep it.
We have the 7.3 Godzilla in our 27 foot Coach House 2021 E-450 motorhome. Last time we weighed it we were at about 14000 lbs. We pull a Ford Maverick as a toad and average 10-12 mpg at 65-70 mph. No repair or problems with the engine to date. We also dont have to worry about DEF or the extra maintenance costs.
Thx for the video Mike. Regarding the 7.3 gas vs 6.7 diesel I would choose the 7.3. Based on intended use and cost difference between engines and maintenance. Good luck on your decision.
Good morning from frigid Upstate South Carolina. Mike, I have no idea which truck you should choose. I would read all the comments and gather other information and make the best decision you can or just go with your gut. Have another productive day.
Good morning Mike, I would suggest the gas engine primarily as a hedge against fuel prices. Your fuel price differential is more than ours in Missouri. Also you have less problem starting the truck after it sits for extended periods.
Mike, I'm no expert, and my only diesel experience is with my L3901HST, but what I heard you say was low annual mileage. My understanding (perhaps skewed) is that diesels like to be driven often and on longer trips. I think the gasser will suit the job you outlined just fine, without the higher capital and ongoing maintenance costs. It's my opinion, as you like to say!
Mike, I love my F-350 with 6.7, but certainly see your consideration of the 7.3. Being in public safety I have seen many agencies switch to gas from the diesel based on maintenance and overall cost. My only real complaint with the new Ford is the idle shutdown. I think I should be able to idle my vehicle for 30 minutes or 3 hours. In my profession vehicle’s need to be able to idle or fast idles for long periods of time to maintain communications and emergency lighting. Look forward to seeing your decision on the new vehicle.
Mike, I have 4 diesel trucks for my wood business. They tow excellent. But i went to the gas engine for my local deliveries and couldn’t be happier. It warms up quick, no fuel filter gelling. No plugging in when it’s cold. Maintenance is hardly anything. You can replace the engine for what the cost of injectors are on a diesel. You won’t be disappointed. I think it will be strong enough for what you’re trying to do.
Good to see you out working in the fresh snow and NO mud. Looking great around there Mike. Hope the weather is treating everyone good and they are staying healthy. This is the first time in a lot of years that we have all been down at the same time. We are doing okay but it isn't fun. Stay safe and keep up the good work and videos. Fred.
Mike, we have an F-550 with the 6.7 Powerstroke and it has been a constant series of issues. We like the truck because of the ride height but our next one will definitely be a gas engine truck. These Ford diesels just can’t handle that dirty air going back through the reburn. Parts have been an issue. The truck sat for 2 months last summer while we waited for a fuel rail to replace the one that failed. Get the gas job and put the savings toward a heavier gauge steel floor in your dump body.
Here in North Idaho, we got about 12" of fluffy snow yesterday from about midnight to about 5pm. Used the Kubota B2601 to clear the driveway in the evening. Today looks just like yours, sunny and calm. Will be using your fire starter to light a fire in the woodstove in the cabin which is about 80 feet away on the other side of our back yard. The water is still frozen over there due to lack of insulation in the attic area (another thing on my project list). Schools were closed yesterday, a lot of broken pipes in homes and businesses in the area. The grandkids went to school today, my wife went to an appointment and exercise class, I'll be doing a little more snow clearing. Should be a good day.
I own a 6.7 and I’m biased. The gasser will probably do 80% of what you need it to do it’s that other 20% where the diesel really shines. As for the short trip concern, premium “extortion” fluid and a good fuel additive which shouldn’t cost to much if your only driving 3k miles a year. Also have your dealer change your Regen settings to OCR operator controlled regen so you can do manual regens when your driving short distances and you shouldn’t have any exhaust problems. You have one so you know how good the diesel is, if cost is your only concern you can probably get away with the gasser but otherwise I’d take the diesel every time. Keep up the great content and good luck brother.
I think the gas makes sense. They had some issues with cam/lifter failures on them, especially on the commercial box truck versions that were detuned for max economy. They have been doing warranty replacements on the entire engine when that happens, which I think is excellent.
Just one thing to consider: as someone that had a power stoke 4x4 F550 dump truck. I sold it because with the weight of the diesel and the 4x4 cut my load capacity weight so much that I could have run a F350 gas for way less in fuel, plates, and insurance. Just my thought. if I was going to use it like you plan (mind you I am a diesel guy thru and thru) I would by a gas F550 2 wheel drive and sacrifice power for load hauling. Just like you I already have a 6.7 power stroke F350 (dually) to actually haul my equipment) It will take extra trips hauling equipment and then going back for the dump truck tho. Just remember no mater how much you analyze it there are no perfect combo of truck to meet every scenario
I had a 7.3 diesel about 25 years ago and it was a beast with 4.10 rear & a standard transmission. 4 on the floor with a granny gear for 1st. Loved it but it was diesel.
Really enjoy your channel. Thought I'd add my 2 cents to the discussion.
Just a straight comparison of cost of ownership/operation over 20 years says get the Gas powered dump.
Diesel Gas
Annual Miles 4,000 4,000
Miles/Gallon 20 13
Fuel Cost/Gallon $3.90 $3.00
Annual Fuel Cost $780.00 $923.08
20 Year Fuel Cost $15,600.00 $18,461.54
Initial Cost Delta $10,000.00 $-
Total Cost $25,600.00 $18,461.54
Extra Cost For Diesel $7,138.46
Mike I really enjoy your videos, keep up the good job. My opinion on the 6.7 or the 7.3 would be 7.3. I traded in a 2011 6.7 and got a 7.3 gasser. So far not towing my 7.3 is getting just as good mileage as my 6.7 did. Towing is another story, but the 7.3 has towed everything I need just fine. The 7.3 is less maintenance and price difference on gas versus diesel and def makes the gasser cheaper to run. Around here and places I’ve traveled the diesel is anywhere from 50 cents to 1.50 more per gallon. I’ve only had the gasser for 5 months but am satisfied so far.
Good morning Mike, Melissa and family! Have a day. I’d go 7.3 for the following reasons (some you had already metnioned) 1.) cheaper to buy. 2.) cheaper to operate . (For your mileage use), 3.) Cheaper to maintain. 4.) cheaper to repair (generally)
Totally agree that the diesel engine is a nightmare to repair. I've seen a lot of TH-cam videos that indicate that the problems with a bad or no running 6.7 Powerstroke is difficult and very expensive to diagnose and repair.
Mike, I agree with the master technician’s comment on the diesel not good for short-trips. The diesel is a workhorse to be opened up on the long haul stretches. Short trips are rough on the engine as well as the emissions components (DEF injectors, SCR, Nox sensors,catalytic converter). Slow use causes carbon & particulate matter to build up In these components and can cause damage that can be extremely expensive if not under warranty Even under warranty the replacement parts may not be readily available or maybe not available at all. And I have frequently pulled into a fueling station only to find them out of diesel or not carrying it at all (even though they have 5 grades of gasoline ready to pump). Yep, $10,000 extra for the diesel option. Used to be the opposite but we’re not in Kansas anymore Toto.
Mike, if it were me I would go with the 7.3 gasser. My reasoning is that the diesel is more plus the cost of diesel fuel is more than gasoline and it's probably going to remain that way. Plus there are many more places that you can buy gasoline than diesel. Just my two cents worth. Bill H from Cranberry Township
mike for what you are looking for the 7.3 is more than capable.i have that motor in my truck tow my excavator and 15k dump trailer all over creation in summer time,and never lack for power.the lower cost upfront,lower cost of fuel,and lower cost of just about all maintenance items oil changes etc make this a no brainer.yes when towing im only getting 10-11 mpg but when im not and just running job to job i get close to 14,when i do take a trip ;ike to the cabin if i get on the hwy set the cruise i can tickle 17.dont be fooled thinking you will lack power,it just comes in a different form.the torque is there but it has to be sought before its needed.if you see you are coming to a hill downshift the truck get the rpms up in the power range 3500- 4000 and you will not have any trouble getting where you want to go.
Have to agree with you on the modern diesel issues, but for long haul, it is far better than gas. I have a 2012 - the last year before the extortion fluid was introduced into the model I have. It was the end of the year model, the '13s were already on their way, and the price bump was over $6,000 from year to year with the exact same options - all because of the the DEF and its convoluted additional equipment. Today that same truck would cost me more than double to replace new, and I thought it was excessively expensive when I bought it then. For the price of a new truck these days, you can get a fully restored and rebuilt classic like a 50's or 60's Power Wagon or Step Side in the equivalent of brand new condition. Is this my old man moment of shaking his fist at change and technology?
I’ve had a few diesels and gas trucks at the same time. None of them on are the road that much, probably out about the same estimated mileage as you… the diesel has constant maintenance issues yet the gas doesn’t. Regardless of your out of pocket expense (given the extended warranty) the down time due to repairs is the most costly, especially since it leads to unreliability.
Def fluid has been the ultimate issue… heaters fail, it crystallizes in the lines and tank and then there’s always the dreaded DPF filter that can be an issue if you don’t let the unit regen or run the engine often.
I’m sure others have mentioned more detailed responses but this is just from my experience.
Good luck and love your channel.
For 3k to 5k mi. per year the 7.3 for sure, short drives and lite usage is hard on a diesel eng... Much less cost in maintenance and fuel with the 7.3, change your oil every year, I agree also with the aluminum dump box for no rust, lighter, and longevity. Happy truck shopping. If you can get the same red as your F350. 👍
Food for thought. Way back in the '60s we had Chevy 327 CID engines powering school busses, Dodge 361 CID powering same size school busses and other gas engines. We had a friend with a D800 tandem grain truck with a 413 CID engine. Worked just fine. We got about just fine. It all is not a race.
Mike, that might not have been oak wilt! I have "two-lined chestnut borrers" in my oak forest. Under the bark you can see the little trails/tunnels they leave. Also a "D" shaped hole when they bore their way out. They don't always kill the oaks, but if they are stressed from something else they will die.
I'd definitely go with the 7.3 gaser the sound of yer plans and intended use for it
I agree with everything you said on both engines. My thoughts are with gas, you can let it set longer & it will crank & run just fine. With the diesel, letting it set for a while could become problematic. As I said in the last comment, it’s not for me to tell someone else how & what to spend their money on. Hope y’all have a great day Mr. Mike.
I own a GMC AT4 like yours. I have owned GM diesels for over 10 years and absolutely love the truck and engine. With that said, your application I believe is more aimed at a gasser. 1. Diesel emission system need to be used to function properly or you’re going to have issues. 2. Consider the extra weight of a diesel in your firewood business traveling across lawns and such, the diesel is heavy in the front. 3. I always justified the diesel as an investment. I pay $10k up front but I get it back when I trade. You’re not trading. 4. Fuel mileage doesn’t matter in your short hauls and you’re saving in sticker price. I could go on and on but I think in your application gas is the smarter option🤷🏻♂️