After doing a lot of forum post reading on the subject as found no good videos I decided against buying an air stripper. After watching this video I now wish I hadn't spent all my pocket money on rum and a cheeky kebab.
@@tillysgunstocks it was! Nothing as fancy as what they are intended for, I've a very nicely sorted S510 in .22. I like the look of air strippers as bling but recently started taking my target work a little more seriously.
@@tillysgunstocks I'm glad you changed the cone distance. It did show some difference. Without doing so I would have wondered if it was just a weight difference on the barrel. What brand stripper is that? I was looking at the Rowan Engineering options.
Great video, very thorough. I have spent a lot of time making my own carbon fibre silencers, experimenting with many different designs. I have found that a lot of the problems with silencers are likely to be caused by turbulence through the baffles more than clipping. My latest designs have a built in air stripper in the base and special venting, this has greatly increased accuracy and also decreases down range noise.
I have a wooden stocked Walther LG400 FT (sub 12ft/lb .177) which I use for HFT. With the standard airstripper , is a loooong rifle. I decided to try and shave a few inches off it by replacing the stripper with a short muzzle brake to protect the crown of the muzzle and balance the harmonics with a 100gm sliding jacket weight. After all, I thought, what do Walther really know about accuracy? Turns out, quite a lot! With the standard LG400FT airstripper, from prone HFT style, it is literally pellet on pellet at 25 yards, at 45 yards it is a one hole 5 shot group. Nothing I did to balance it without the stripper gave the same result. The groups weren't terrible, some might have been happy with them, but they were not even close to those shot with the stripper. Conclusion: A rifle fitted with a correctly set up quality air stripper IS more accurate than one without.........and I don't know better than Walther.
I have a 20year old S200 Mk2 with Huma reg, fitted a Rowan airstripper set at 4.5 mm. Has definitely tightened the groups. I use JSB Exact 451s. Great video, very informative.
One of my hobbies is model engineering, so I have made quite few of these air strippers during the years. Some my own design, in fact. My experience is that they are more beneficial on barrels of less than 400mm length, particularly carbine barrels, such as the ne I had on my HW 100 KT. With such barrels the air behind the pellet still has considerable enrgy on exit, which can overtake the pellet on exit and disturb the dynamics of the flight. Very good demonstration.
I've been really lucky to get a few low wind days and a bit of sunshine lately.makes everything feel so much better,even when the shooting is disappointing..
Binge watched all your videos over the last couple of days, learnt a lot and enjoyed them all. Inspired me to possibly have a go at stock making for my hw 100 bottle conversion and wildcat. Looking forward to the next vid 👍🏻👍🏻
I'll be doing some more woodwork vids shortly, im struggling to concentrate whilst working the tools and in charge of a camera at the same time still though. I'm quite fond of having all my fingers Intact..
Very interesting results and should be even more interesting with a harder pellet. I think I’m going to do the same experiment with my R10 to see what the difference is between the silencer (Weihrauch) and an airstripper is. Thanks Tilly, another great video.
Good one Tommy, I did similar years ago with a FTP900 and Rowan stripper to see if the cone distance made a difference, however I only went with increasing distance and found 4.5mm was better than bigger. Will look forward to the next round of testing
I think for the next tests I'll swap to the walther barrel I've got as thats the same od as the cz. The cz probably needs screwcutting to true up the bore and od. That's a bit above my skill level on the lathe right now. Might well ask the sub12 boys to do that for me and give it a fancy crown. There's definitely a relation between crown shape and stripper settings too. Altho not sure how I can get that into a video that isn't 3hours long and boring as ,🤔
Answering your banned comment 😁 (Must be the link) *Suppressors for all firearms, including air guns, are prohibited in Canada.* {According to Wikipedia} I know this wiki is not the best source but any silencing devide is prohibited... And airguns WILL be considered as firearms in ANY type of "crime"! (Pretty sure that owning a silencing device is illegal to begin with.) So yeah... This guy tried very hard to read in between the lines but id rather not try.
I played around with 3 or 4 air strippers on a Steyr LG110 a few years ago. A couple were made by chaps on the forums and 1 or 2 from small firms. Spent days playing around with each one to see what would work out best. I ended up with a similar result as you did here. Tighter groups but on average only by a couple of mm here and there. With all the other variables considered it's not a very conclusive result. Maybe with some more tweaking and perseverance but it didn't seem worth it at that point. If your silencer is clipping and you can get that resolved it looks to have more potential here. I recently added a SAK mod to my Steyr ProX. My groups at 40 meters look like your silencers group but without the clippings.
Yep agree entirely, the bulk of that group with the silencer was great bar the few scattered ones around the outside. Probably going to have it screwcut and trued up. Then I can runs a bunch of my other 1/2" silencers and see which works best of them and then a new screw on stripper 🤔
Good video. Now I wonder if the included moderator on my Beeman Mantis helps with accuracy? It is quiet even at 1,000 fps shooting 8.3 gr Superdomes. But the accuracy surprised me for a $129 US dollar air gun. 0.3" at 30 meters is not bad. Or is it the German quality? It says made in China. I think, assembled in China.... With German parts... Or else we may be in real trouble... Anyway, the moderator may or may not be helping accuracy, but it does not seem to hurt! Great for pest conttol. They dont hear the gun at all... Can do follow up shots though rarely needed. Will always use a moderator on loud guns from now on.
I honestly think you may need a new barell. It seems to randomly shoot fliers. Thanks for sharing your testing, that was interesting. I think everyone always assumes air strippers are better but after seeing this I’m thinking if the dimensional dynamics are correct (cone to muzzle to exit) perhaps they may be.
These are legal in the UK, but illegal in Canada/US, I believe? I'm not sure about the effort of trying to build one is a bad move, but it's just an airgun I use in the basement so I'll do as I please. I have a Canadian 495 FPS air rifle that I've modded to get 760 fps, with more parts on the way that should take it over 900 (.22 cal). I love modding, but I also like the quiet of a 'quietner' and muzzle brake. Don't need the neighbors calling ERT (Canadian SWAT) when I want to plink at Monster Energy tins.
Mmm interesting , it would also be interesting to see how different pellets behave with the air stripper ( both shape and weight ) , had one on my Goldstar SE , soon replaced it with a silencer ... just couldn't get the blighter to work ...
@@tillysgunstocks Fortunately the bore on my Steyr was concetric enough.... Much worse problem was uneven conical shape of last 20mm of the barrel due to its choke. Solution was to fix airstripper to cylindrical part of barrel with collet.
Thanks mate. I've got a vid planned with fine tuning the fps and all that fun stuff. Bit disappointed how eccentric the bore is on this cz barrel though.need to sort that out first 😬
I may have missed this but what length are the JSB shorts? I have a Rowan stripper on my HFT rifle I use the normal JSB 4.52 and after experimentation have set the stripper to the length of the pellet.
Pretty interesting gadjets! In kenada you cannot use any sound moderating device's but I would like to test some kind of muzzle break or air stripper one day
@@donpeer4477 I did read this article and I think he is trying way to hard to play with words! _RCMP will consider airguns as firearms in certain situations even if under 500fps._ *The silencing device itself is an issue not the airgun.*
Interesting to watch. That Anschutz 9015 looks gorgeous with the air stripper. How is the report with an air stripper? I was hoping for some reduction in db. Perhaps another video?
The strippers won't really quieten it down much atall. It's primarily re diverting the muzzle blast. On the 9015 it actually sounds louder to me,behind it. The muzzle blast is now being diverted upwards as opposed to away from me.
I have a Cometa Fusion in .177, it is more accurate than my hw 77, 97 & 99s, but gun snobs won't have it, factory fitted with an air stripper, your loss.
Generally speaking on the tons of springers I've built over the years, you would be best to look at ballasting the stock to reduce movement. Ofcourse you have the piston mass movement and the muzzle blast to deal with so it starts getting tricky and almost becomes a case of each rig has to be tailored to suit its owner and the way the recoil is felt. It'd be worth having a chat with Gary chillingworth too. He's got his own ideas on taming the springers 😉
Very few barrels have the bore concentric to the outer diameter. Reality is its not that much of a problem if its,for instance threaded and the threads are clocked off the bore and not the od. Some manufacturers though crown them based on the od of the barrel and not the bore. That's often what happens when you see dodgy offset crowns.
Yep, you are absolutely right weighed and sorted the groups would be tighter,but all the tests so far have been done with pellets straight from the tin,from this known good batch of shorts. Pointless at this stage going through full pellet prep with a sub par barrel though 😉
OK, so maybe I'm being pedantic but such a test should have been carried out with "Weighed" pellets!! After all, you are (presumed) to be an impartial air gunner??
So far the last few videos have all been shot with the same tin of shorts,from a known good batch. At this stage full pellet prep is pointless when the barrel itself is sub par. Once the barrel is sorted then I'll go through and show you all how I prep my pellets for comp use 😉
if you shoot out of the same tin ,with and without silencers and strippers and so on ,and you see smaller groups with or without devices , its clear to me .
After doing a lot of forum post reading on the subject as found no good videos I decided against buying an air stripper. After watching this video I now wish I hadn't spent all my pocket money on rum and a cheeky kebab.
To be fair that was a tough call 😂🤣
What rifle have you got?
Had to pin that comment, too funny..
@@tillysgunstocks it was!
Nothing as fancy as what they are intended for, I've a very nicely sorted S510 in .22. I like the look of air strippers as bling but recently started taking my target work a little more seriously.
@@tillysgunstocks I'm glad you changed the cone distance. It did show some difference. Without doing so I would have wondered if it was just a weight difference on the barrel.
What brand stripper is that? I was looking at the Rowan Engineering options.
Great video, very thorough. I have spent a lot of time making my own carbon fibre silencers, experimenting with many different designs. I have found that a lot of the problems with silencers are likely to be caused by turbulence through the baffles more than clipping. My latest designs have a built in air stripper in the base and special venting, this has greatly increased accuracy and also decreases down range noise.
I have a wooden stocked Walther LG400 FT (sub 12ft/lb .177) which I use for HFT. With the standard airstripper , is a loooong rifle. I decided to try and shave a few inches off it by replacing the stripper with a short muzzle brake to protect the crown of the muzzle and balance the harmonics with a 100gm sliding jacket weight.
After all, I thought, what do Walther really know about accuracy? Turns out, quite a lot!
With the standard LG400FT airstripper, from prone HFT style, it is literally pellet on pellet at 25 yards, at 45 yards it is a one hole 5 shot group. Nothing I did to balance it without the stripper gave the same result. The groups weren't terrible, some might have been happy with them, but they were not even close to those shot with the stripper.
Conclusion: A rifle fitted with a correctly set up quality air stripper IS more accurate than one without.........and I don't know better than Walther.
Very thorough and informative. You can't beat a free floating barrel also. Great job- thanks.
I have a 20year old S200 Mk2 with Huma reg, fitted a Rowan airstripper set at 4.5 mm. Has definitely tightened the groups. I use JSB Exact 451s. Great video, very informative.
One of my hobbies is model engineering, so I have made quite few of these air strippers during the years. Some my own design, in fact. My experience is that they are more beneficial on barrels of less than 400mm length, particularly carbine barrels, such as the ne I had on my HW 100 KT. With such barrels the air behind the pellet still has considerable enrgy on exit, which can overtake the pellet on exit and disturb the dynamics of the flight. Very good demonstration.
Thanks for taking the time to make yet another interesting vid ... And bonus sunshine again
I've been really lucky to get a few low wind days and a bit of sunshine lately.makes everything feel so much better,even when the shooting is disappointing..
Binge watched all your videos over the last couple of days, learnt a lot and enjoyed them all.
Inspired me to possibly have a go at stock making for my hw 100 bottle conversion and wildcat.
Looking forward to the next vid 👍🏻👍🏻
I'll be doing some more woodwork vids shortly, im struggling to concentrate whilst working the tools and in charge of a camera at the same time still though. I'm quite fond of having all my fingers Intact..
Very interesting results and should be even more interesting with a harder pellet. I think I’m going to do the same experiment with my R10 to see what the difference is between the silencer (Weihrauch) and an airstripper is. Thanks Tilly, another great video.
Good one Tommy, I did similar years ago with a FTP900 and Rowan stripper to see if the cone distance made a difference, however I only went with increasing distance and found 4.5mm was better than bigger. Will look forward to the next round of testing
I think for the next tests I'll swap to the walther barrel I've got as thats the same od as the cz. The cz probably needs screwcutting to true up the bore and od. That's a bit above my skill level on the lathe right now. Might well ask the sub12 boys to do that for me and give it a fancy crown. There's definitely a relation between crown shape and stripper settings too. Altho not sure how I can get that into a video that isn't 3hours long and boring as ,🤔
I've tested my Hatsan Galatian with many DonnyFL, 0dB, and a Hatsan air stripper. The only one that tightened up the groups was the air stripper!
Answering your banned comment 😁
(Must be the link)
*Suppressors for all firearms, including air guns, are prohibited in Canada.* {According to Wikipedia}
I know this wiki is not the best source but any silencing devide is prohibited...
And airguns WILL be considered as firearms in ANY type of "crime"!
(Pretty sure that owning a silencing device is illegal to begin with.)
So yeah...
This guy tried very hard to read in between the lines but id rather not try.
@@LowkeyAirgunner Thanks for the "head's up". I wasn't informed that my comment had been banned. I'll try again.
That rifle brother looks amazing!!!!!
I played around with 3 or 4 air strippers on a Steyr LG110 a few years ago. A couple were made by chaps on the forums and 1 or 2 from small firms. Spent days playing around with each one to see what would work out best. I ended up with a similar result as you did here. Tighter groups but on average only by a couple of mm here and there. With all the other variables considered it's not a very conclusive result. Maybe with some more tweaking and perseverance but it didn't seem worth it at that point.
If your silencer is clipping and you can get that resolved it looks to have more potential here. I recently added a SAK mod to my Steyr ProX. My groups at 40 meters look like your silencers group but without the clippings.
Yep agree entirely, the bulk of that group with the silencer was great bar the few scattered ones around the outside. Probably going to have it screwcut and trued up. Then I can runs a bunch of my other 1/2" silencers and see which works best of them and then a new screw on stripper 🤔
Good video. Now I wonder if the included moderator on my Beeman Mantis helps with accuracy? It is quiet even at 1,000 fps shooting 8.3 gr Superdomes. But the accuracy surprised me for a $129 US dollar air gun. 0.3" at 30 meters is not bad. Or is it the German quality? It says made in China. I think, assembled in China.... With German parts... Or else we may be in real trouble... Anyway, the moderator may or may not be helping accuracy, but it does not seem to hurt! Great for pest conttol. They dont hear the gun at all... Can do follow up shots though rarely needed. Will always use a moderator on loud guns from now on.
These rifles have a long unsupported barrel what happens if it is braced back to the air chamber
I honestly think you may need a new barell. It seems to randomly shoot fliers. Thanks for sharing your testing, that was interesting. I think everyone always assumes air strippers are better but after seeing this I’m thinking if the dimensional dynamics are correct (cone to muzzle to exit) perhaps they may be.
These are legal in the UK, but illegal in Canada/US, I believe? I'm not sure about the effort of trying to build one is a bad move, but it's just an airgun I use in the basement so I'll do as I please. I have a Canadian 495 FPS air rifle that I've modded to get 760 fps, with more parts on the way that should take it over 900 (.22 cal). I love modding, but I also like the quiet of a 'quietner' and muzzle brake. Don't need the neighbors calling ERT (Canadian SWAT) when I want to plink at Monster Energy tins.
Mmm interesting , it would also be interesting to see how different pellets behave with the air stripper ( both shape and weight ) , had one on my Goldstar SE , soon replaced it with a silencer ... just couldn't get the blighter to work ...
I had the best results with airstripper with hole just 4.6mm and "stripping edge" 4mm from crown (Steyr LG110FT)
Unfortunately I can't reduce the stripper cone yet, the bore is very eccentric so it'd clip at probably 6mm od hole 😮💨
@@tillysgunstocks Fortunately the bore on my Steyr was concetric enough.... Much worse problem was uneven conical shape of last 20mm of the barrel due to its choke. Solution was to fix airstripper to cylindrical part of barrel with collet.
When you say “lead in” is this the barrel being lubricated by the particular type of pellet?
Great video Tommy very interesting and didn’t want it to end😁
Try 730fps👍
Thanks mate. I've got a vid planned with fine tuning the fps and all that fun stuff. Bit disappointed how eccentric the bore is on this cz barrel though.need to sort that out first 😬
I may have missed this but what length are the JSB shorts? I have a Rowan stripper on my HFT rifle I use the normal JSB 4.52 and after experimentation have set the stripper to the length of the pellet.
Just brilliant
Pretty interesting gadjets!
In kenada you cannot use any sound moderating device's but I would like to test some kind of muzzle break or air stripper one day
Hmm yeah I don't know what the legalities are your side mate, but they are interesting things to play around with for sure
@@donpeer4477 I did read this article and I think he is trying way to hard to play with words!
_RCMP will consider airguns as firearms in certain situations even if under 500fps._
*The silencing device itself is an issue not the airgun.*
Interesting to watch. That Anschutz 9015 looks gorgeous with the air stripper.
How is the report with an air stripper? I was hoping for some reduction in db. Perhaps another video?
The strippers won't really quieten it down much atall. It's primarily re diverting the muzzle blast. On the 9015 it actually sounds louder to me,behind it. The muzzle blast is now being diverted upwards as opposed to away from me.
is an airstripper like an airguitar , ie its invisible so you cant see it getting naked 🙂
I have a Cometa Fusion in .177, it is more accurate than my hw 77, 97 & 99s, but gun snobs won't have it, factory fitted with an air stripper, your loss.
Would this reduce any horizontal movement on a springer?
Generally speaking on the tons of springers I've built over the years, you would be best to look at ballasting the stock to reduce movement. Ofcourse you have the piston mass movement and the muzzle blast to deal with so it starts getting tricky and almost becomes a case of each rig has to be tailored to suit its owner and the way the recoil is felt.
It'd be worth having a chat with Gary chillingworth too. He's got his own ideas on taming the springers 😉
Didn't realise the hammer forged barrels can be off-centre. You'd think the manufacturers would correct this.
Very few barrels have the bore concentric to the outer diameter. Reality is its not that much of a problem if its,for instance threaded and the threads are clocked off the bore and not the od. Some manufacturers though crown them based on the od of the barrel and not the bore. That's often what happens when you see dodgy offset crowns.
@@tillysgunstocks Thanks for the info. Think I'll check my barrels to see if the look off-centre.
Surely weighed pellets would make a difference...45 yards wo u ld make a big difference....
Yep, you are absolutely right weighed and sorted the groups would be tighter,but all the tests so far have been done with pellets straight from the tin,from this known good batch of shorts.
Pointless at this stage going through full pellet prep with a sub par barrel though 😉
I don't matter, they look good anyway 😏
OK, so maybe I'm being pedantic but such a test should have been carried out with "Weighed" pellets!!
After all, you are (presumed) to be an impartial air gunner??
So far the last few videos have all been shot with the same tin of shorts,from a known good batch. At this stage full pellet prep is pointless when the barrel itself is sub par. Once the barrel is sorted then I'll go through and show you all how I prep my pellets for comp use 😉
if you shoot out of the same tin ,with and without silencers and strippers and so on ,and you see smaller groups with or without devices , its clear to me .
Speak,speak,speak,..terrible...😮.go slowly........