ALL of NASCAR's statements and resistance to the suit demonstrates the FACT that NASCAR operates as a monopoly. The Friday night extortion attempt, the outrageous fines for piddling shit (like the windshield screw but there multiple dozens of examples), the heavy-handed intimidation of those who dare speak against them, ALL demonstrate that NASCAR does not negotiate in good faith (they didn't really negotiate any money issues at all, they told teams what they will get) fundamentally taking away all avenues for teams to compete and make ANY profit. NASCAR treats the teams (the heart of what NASCAR is), as indentured servants to their master. NASCAR IS AN ILLEGAL MONOPOLY!
@@x-man5056lol. That’s funny. Fortunately for NASCAR, your genius legal theories won’t come into play. This is a shakedown from two floundering teams that think they deserve more of NASCAR’s money. Plain and simple. Not a smart negotiation tactic by MJ. This strategy has basically guaranteed that those teams will run unchartered in 2025, if at all. Nice move. Why did every other team sign?? Because it was in their best interests to sign. No other reason. Nobody’s going broke over this. It’s literally play money for billionaires. A couple hundred million for lawyers is pocket change for everybody involved. Jordan’s got nothing. NASCAR is under zero obligation to be fair to the teams. Don’t like the deal?? Go race someplace else, nobody’s stopping you. Simple.
so far skin color has won all lifes battles for MJ and Bubba.. then NASCAR wouldn't cave. they own the series and the tracks. go play in a different sandbox if you don't like it..simple as that!
@@danielrich3637 NASCAR is just a shakedown racket as it stands. I don't like any Toyotas, but there is no mistaking that 23xi is a very good team. Reddick won the season points title. As far as MJ, he did every thing he did. His talent and performance made him famous and Nike made him wealthy. Knocking MJ that way is more than just dopey. What does Wallace have to do with this? He doesn't have any decision authority in the suit. He was mostly unimpressive last year but if he wins 1 or 2 next season He'll survive. But his team may not.
@@videditorEB1 Here's what funny, you parroting NASCAR's absurd positions as if they are legit. You on their payroll? 23xi is far from a floundering team. That's just ad hominem attack from an uninformed Dolt. Reddick won the regular season points championship...Duh? No other reason to sign? How about the threat to invalidate charters teams paid millions for? 5 O'clock on Friday evening, sign before midnight or loose millions. EXTORTION , not negotiated AT ALL. That enough reason? The teams would go race somewhere else but NASCAR owns or has leverage on all the tracks would pull charters for that also. You have a child like reaction and understanding of what NASCAR does to teams. You are up to your neck in NASCAR overreach and no vision of big picture for the future of NASCAR. You comment screams low knowledge FANBOY or Larry Mac step-child.
Easiest way to win for the teams is if all of them don’t compete. Come time for the Daytona 500 come out the day before and tell NASCAR we’re not going to race
NASCAR has become a joke. This is no longer "STOCK CAR" racing. Rule changes, uneven enforcement of rules, cookie cutter cars, and many other issues have destroyed NASCAR.
Just drop all charters and go back to old school show up and Qualify on Saturday and fast 40 race on Sunday forget this you have a starting spot even if you don’t Q
Aside from the fact that a similar split sent indycar into obscurity, where would a new series race? Nascar owns half the tracks and you can bet they would pressure the smi tracks to not host a new series. It wouldn't work in my opinion.
You’re gonna need to build some cars. And tracks. You’re going to need tracks. Other than that starting your own series should be a piece of cake. Right??? lol. Such genius in the comments.
The France family can't afford to share that money with the teams. Do you know how much mansions and alcohol/drugs cost these days? Not to mention how much an occasional Court mandated rehab stint costs.
NASCAR has been dying a slow death for years, so they changed the points and the playoff system. I hope those teams drop NASCAR like a bad habit, and let's see it suffer without it's current and future stars !!!!!!
All the France family does now is look at the money. Not one France kid has been at a drivers meeting before a race. The France people cannot put the face together with the names.
If NASCAR has made it so difficult for FRM and 23XI to earn a profit why are they interested in buying charters to expand. Honestly both teams should lose, nobody forced them into this business. How can you be so committed to buy something you won't agree to sign onto. Again nobody is forcing them to expand or even race. There are other motorsport series they could go to. NASCAR should have let the charter agreements to end at the end of 2024.
Apparently you don't understand what's actually happening. In 5 years when Nascar has 20 cars showing up to most races maybe you'll finally understand what's going on.
I wonder why Denny Hamlin & Michael Jordan have had a few meetings with The Public Trust Fund of Saudi Arabia? This is the same group that broke the strangle hold the PGA Tour had on the PGA Pros, and started LIV Golf, it's also the same group that paid Michael Jordan $440 million dollars for his controlling interest in the Charlotte Hornets...
It is time for the France family to divest themselves of NASCAR. Their grandfather's business strategies are failing and are no longer sustainable. For NASCAR to survive, an independent person will be needed to run the sport.
NASCAR is playing with the lives and livelihoods of 100s of employees with their pettiness. It is things like this and the France family in general that i DO NOT watch nascar anymore
How about getting in touch with Trump Michael. Learn how he would handle this. I'd about guarantee NASCAR would loose. They've been out of control way to long. It needs all new blood. Such a shame greed has gone to NASCAR's brain.
If NASCAR was registered as a franchise there would be no monopolistic problems. But NASCAR would be regulated by the FTC and would lose their bully power ! AMA Motocross almost identical problems with NASCAR
Greed and no consideration for long time supporters of this special kind of competition.. now in addition to screwing the team owners their screwing the viewing public. What is needed is a completive alternative to nascar. Sooner or later enough outsiders will go it alone on tracks that nascar doesn't own. It might be nice to see some of those fine tracks sit idle for a while.
You know what... I'm done with NASCAR! I hope the owners win their lawsuit but I'm done. You have NASCAR, Team Owners and Me (Fan). If you don't have me then you don't have ANYTHING!! Eventually the team owners will leave and start a new league... *WHEN* that happens I will support the sport again.
Regardless of what you think of NASCAR it's their game with their rules. If you don't like it take your ball and go someplace else. The teams aren't going to win this.
@Upracefan Because nascar is 💯% wrong and they don't want this going to court. The family just wants to keep ripping off the teams like they have always done
If Nascar does that they might as well sell it to Vince McMahon and officially call it WWE Racing since any remaining shred of legitimacy Nascar has will evaporate in that moment.
I still say your gonna lose Denny!!! It's Nascars playhouse and their rules so play right with others or go away!!! They don't care about you and bubba!!! You're going to do more harm to your so-called team than you would if you had just sighed the paper!!! Even if you race they will give your teams hell!!!
Denny the trouble maker just needs to go home and work in his dads welding shop where he can be the boss and learn a FEW REAL WORLD LIFE LESSONS. Denny is nothing but a trouble maker and a loud mouth cry baby, never happy about anything unless he is in control. GROW UP OR GO HOME. "CRY BABY" and take your card throwing driver with you. I've heard enough of all of this piddly Bull Sh-t about NASCAR. You knew all of this when you started, now that you have stopped winning you are doing nothing but crying and stirring up trouble.
But you're wrong dude, what Nascar is doing this f****** illegal.... board game to them,,, Jordan has the money and balls unlike any one else, except FRM,... I've lost all respect for Childress ,Hendrick,and all the other soft ass owners,, cowards with money, what a joke , Jordan doesn't lose,Wake up!!!....🎉
@@MarkPerson-z9tyou are absolutely correct… Honestly, the hate for Denny 23-11 and Bubba clouds a LOT of NASCAR fans clear thinking. I’m hoping this case makes it to court where “discovery” will show a LOT of greed by NASCAR.
ROFLMAO !!! Won't be bothered in the slightest if these FOOLS never hit a track again. Are the TEAMS going to pay for TRACK maintenance? Or the Advertising needed?
I hope that the lawsuit goes in favor of NASCAR. Jordan is always pulling his “I’m a big dog” crap if he doesn’t get his way! This just makes NASCAR fans dislike the 23-11 team that much more. Really thought Jordan would bring class but he just did it dirty!
I would like to see all the teams just leave Nascar and make up a new company come on and make a new race team
ALL of NASCAR's statements and resistance to the suit demonstrates the FACT that NASCAR operates as a monopoly. The Friday night extortion attempt, the outrageous fines for piddling shit (like the windshield screw but there multiple dozens of examples), the heavy-handed intimidation of those who dare speak against them, ALL demonstrate that NASCAR does not negotiate in good faith (they didn't really negotiate any money issues at all, they told teams what they will get) fundamentally taking away all avenues for teams to compete and make ANY profit. NASCAR treats the teams (the heart of what NASCAR is), as indentured servants to their master. NASCAR IS AN ILLEGAL MONOPOLY!
@@x-man5056lol. That’s funny. Fortunately for NASCAR, your genius legal theories won’t come into play. This is a shakedown from two floundering teams that think they deserve more of NASCAR’s money. Plain and simple. Not a smart negotiation tactic by MJ. This strategy has basically guaranteed that those teams will run unchartered in 2025, if at all. Nice move. Why did every other team sign?? Because it was in their best interests to sign. No other reason. Nobody’s going broke over this. It’s literally play money for billionaires. A couple hundred million for lawyers is pocket change for everybody involved. Jordan’s got nothing. NASCAR is under zero obligation to be fair to the teams. Don’t like the deal?? Go race someplace else, nobody’s stopping you. Simple.
so far skin color has won all lifes battles for MJ and Bubba.. then NASCAR wouldn't cave.
they own the series and the tracks.
go play in a different sandbox if you don't like it..simple as that!
France family needs to go.
@@danielrich3637 NASCAR is just a shakedown racket as it stands. I don't like any Toyotas, but there is no mistaking that 23xi is a very good team. Reddick won the season points title. As far as MJ, he did every thing he did. His talent and performance made him famous and Nike made him wealthy. Knocking MJ that way is more than just dopey. What does Wallace have to do with this? He doesn't have any decision authority in the suit. He was mostly unimpressive last year but if he wins 1 or 2 next season He'll survive. But his team may not.
@@videditorEB1 Here's what funny, you parroting NASCAR's absurd positions as if they are legit. You on their payroll?
23xi is far from a floundering team. That's just ad hominem attack from an uninformed Dolt. Reddick won the regular season points championship...Duh?
No other reason to sign? How about the threat to invalidate charters teams paid millions for? 5 O'clock on Friday evening, sign before midnight or loose millions. EXTORTION , not negotiated AT ALL. That enough reason?
The teams would go race somewhere else but NASCAR owns or has leverage on all the tracks would pull charters for that also. You have a child like reaction and understanding of what NASCAR does to teams. You are up to your neck in NASCAR overreach and no vision of big picture for the future of NASCAR.
You comment screams low knowledge FANBOY or Larry Mac step-child.
Easiest way to win for the teams is if all of them don’t compete. Come time for the Daytona 500 come out the day before and tell NASCAR we’re not going to race
NASCAR has become a joke. This is no longer "STOCK CAR" racing. Rule changes, uneven enforcement of rules, cookie cutter cars, and many other issues have destroyed NASCAR.
Just drop all charters and go back to old school show up and Qualify on Saturday and fast 40 race on Sunday forget this you have a starting spot even if you don’t Q
All the teams with spine left, should go off start your own league.
And let all competitors who show up attempt to race.
Good luck with that.
Aside from the fact that a similar split sent indycar into obscurity, where would a new series race? Nascar owns half the tracks and you can bet they would pressure the smi tracks to not host a new series. It wouldn't work in my opinion.
They tried a few years ago
You’re gonna need to build some cars. And tracks. You’re going to need tracks. Other than that starting your own series should be a piece of cake. Right??? lol. Such genius in the comments.
NASCAR has losing a fan, when the new cars came out I wasn't a fan of that especially going with single lug nut.
THE WAY I SEE IT , AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THOSE EMAIL BEFORE NASCAR DID BACK TRACKING, THAT WOULD BE LIKE A CONTRACT IN THE EYES OF THE COURT
@@danielhayes955 Nope, it is at Nascars discretion, they can change whatever they want, whenever they want. Nobody is forcing anyone to participate.
The France family can't afford to share that money with the teams. Do you know how much mansions and alcohol/drugs cost these days? Not to mention how much an occasional Court mandated rehab stint costs.
NASCAR has been dying a slow death for years, so they changed the points and the playoff system.
I hope those teams drop NASCAR like a bad habit, and let's see it suffer without it's current and future stars !!!!!!
The more we learn about the language in the charter agreement the more I hope the teams prevail
Love to see the morning of the 2025 Daytona 500 all teams load up the haulers and leave the track. (Strike) You would then see a whole new NASCAR
All the France family does now is look at the money. Not one France kid has been at a drivers meeting before a race. The France people cannot put the face together with the names.
If NASCAR has made it so difficult for FRM and 23XI to earn a profit why are they interested in buying charters to expand. Honestly both teams should lose, nobody forced them into this business. How can you be so committed to buy something you won't agree to sign onto. Again nobody is forcing them to expand or even race. There are other motorsport series they could go to. NASCAR should have let the charter agreements to end at the end of 2024.
Apparently you don't understand what's actually happening. In 5 years when Nascar has 20 cars showing up to most races maybe you'll finally understand what's going on.
Nascar gave them a chance to sign the charter agreement. They decided not to because they didn't like the agreement. That's their privilege.
@@aaronclawson835And hopefully Michael Jordan will leave Nascar soon. He does not belong in this sport.
Hey team owners--just stop showing up on raceday !!!! That will get their attention !!!
@Mrbill8542
They don't show up, they don't get paid.
@@bobbybrendle6388 And neither does nascar and the france family !!!
I wonder why Denny Hamlin & Michael Jordan have had a few meetings with The Public Trust Fund of Saudi Arabia? This is the same group that broke the strangle hold the PGA Tour had on the PGA Pros, and started LIV Golf, it's also the same group that paid Michael Jordan $440 million dollars for his controlling interest in the Charlotte Hornets...
Michael Jordan is posion to Nascar. Hopefully they find a way to push him out, of the Sport. We don't need him, or Denny Hamlin in it
......
TELL NASCAR TO GO POUND SAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is time for the France family to divest themselves of NASCAR. Their grandfather's business strategies are failing and are no longer sustainable. For NASCAR to survive, an independent person will be needed to run the sport.
NASCAR is playing with the lives and livelihoods of 100s of employees with their pettiness. It is things like this and the France family in general that i DO NOT watch nascar anymore
How about getting in touch with Trump Michael. Learn how he would handle this. I'd about guarantee NASCAR would loose. They've been out of control way to long. It needs all new blood. Such a shame greed has gone to NASCAR's brain.
If NASCAR was registered as a franchise there would be no monopolistic problems. But NASCAR would be regulated by the FTC and would lose their bully power !
AMA Motocross almost identical problems with NASCAR
I mean everything 23II claim is true 🤷♂️
NASCAR will lose this fight!
Grate video
Now days nascar is a big joke, the good old days are gone
Good for them!!
Greed and no consideration for long time supporters of this special kind of competition.. now in addition to screwing the team owners their screwing the viewing public. What is needed is a completive alternative to nascar. Sooner or later enough outsiders will go it alone on tracks that nascar doesn't own. It might be nice to see some of those fine tracks sit idle for a while.
You know what... I'm done with NASCAR! I hope the owners win their lawsuit but I'm done. You have NASCAR, Team Owners and Me (Fan). If you don't have me then you don't have ANYTHING!!
Eventually the team owners will leave and start a new league... *WHEN* that happens I will support the sport again.
Sure you are... see you at Daytona!
I've been getting tired of nascar for some years now. Just about to unplug
Late model 100 laps are much better.
NASCAR is no longer s STOCK CAR racing sport , they are more inline with indy, it translate to be B.S.!!!!!!!
More click bate
what part of the cars is stock ????????? not a bolt 0r nut anywhere the sport is a joke!!!!!!
And yet, here you are.... LMAO@U
Regardless of what you think of NASCAR it's their game with their rules. If you don't like it take your ball and go someplace else. The teams aren't going to win this.
And that's the definition of a monopoly.
Monopoly
And where is that
jimr549 I have been taught to respect people that earn my respect. Your trash.
Why doesn’t nascar just not allow either team to race, they are under no obligation whatsoever to allow either team to compete.
Because nascar is 💯% wrong and they don't want this actually going to court. The greedy France family just wants to keep ripping off teams
You just made 23/X1 s case about NASCAR
@Upracefan Because nascar is 💯% wrong and they don't want this going to court. The family just wants to keep ripping off the teams like they have always done
If Nascar does that they might as well sell it to Vince McMahon and officially call it WWE Racing since any remaining shred of legitimacy Nascar has will evaporate in that moment.
It’s Nascars sandbox, if the teams don’t like it, they can go pound sand!
23XI has no hammer to drop on anybody. Continued losing is all they have to look forward to.
I still say your gonna lose Denny!!! It's Nascars playhouse and their rules so play right with others or go away!!! They don't care about you and bubba!!! You're going to do more harm to your so-called team than you would if you had just sighed the paper!!! Even if you race they will give your teams hell!!!
Denny the trouble maker just needs to go home and work in his dads welding shop where he can be the boss and learn a FEW REAL WORLD LIFE LESSONS. Denny is nothing but a trouble maker and a loud mouth cry baby, never happy about anything unless he is in control. GROW UP OR GO HOME. "CRY BABY" and take your card throwing driver with you. I've heard enough of all of this piddly Bull Sh-t about NASCAR. You knew all of this when you started, now that you have stopped winning you are doing nothing but crying and stirring up trouble.
But you're wrong dude, what Nascar is doing this f****** illegal.... board game to them,,, Jordan has the money and balls unlike any one else, except FRM,... I've lost all respect for Childress ,Hendrick,and all the other soft ass owners,, cowards with money, what a joke , Jordan doesn't lose,Wake up!!!....🎉
@@MarkPerson-z9tyou are absolutely correct… Honestly, the hate for Denny 23-11 and Bubba clouds a LOT of NASCAR fans clear thinking.
I’m hoping this case makes it to court where “discovery” will show a LOT of greed by NASCAR.
The UFC thought the same thing until someone challenged them, and they settled out of court for 275 million on the first case and one still pending.
@@MarkPerson-z9tI'm with you. If the rest of these candy ass owners would all stay home for daytona I guarantee crapcar would change its tune.
Same old stuff. Nothing new, nothing surprising.They filed a suit again whoopi do.
Front Row & 2311 could go start their own series, Nascar wouldn't stop them from doing so...!
Who cares NASCAR sucks anyway
NASCAR sucks….racing does not
Nascar actions are criminal!!! Not good for Nascar
Deal with it
Just quit nascar and go indy car,Nascar invented the sport and you are just aplayer,if you don't like the rules,go somewhere else.
Said the communist...
AI story,
ROFLMAO !!! Won't be bothered in the slightest if these FOOLS never hit a track again. Are the TEAMS going to pay for TRACK maintenance? Or the Advertising needed?
I hope that the lawsuit goes in favor of NASCAR. Jordan is always pulling his “I’m a big dog” crap if he doesn’t get his way! This just makes NASCAR fans dislike the 23-11 team that much more. Really thought Jordan would bring class but he just did it dirty!
Why don’t they just sideline them and Denny from racing don’t like the way nascar rules then go start your on sac body for. Racing
Nascar just. Tell them keep there cars off all of nascar tracks go back to basket ball
NASCAR should be put out of business since Earnhardt it's not racing anymore
Exactly!