Exactly. Hairstylists also ask you a crazy amount for TWISTS.... TWISTS????? 2 strands??? That you can do at home in 3 hours, with braids bought at SHEIN for 3 bucks a pack??? This is precisely why Mr Wu gets my money now.
Babe, I’m so glad you’re doing a video on this. Everyone wants to be a stylist, but majority of them don’t know how to do 4c hair. If your hair is coarse and nappy, then all of a sudden they can’t do it. It’s wild. No license, just unprofessional and vibes.
They want the title of being a stylist however they don’t want to do the hard work or actually love what they do. It’s all about money and flexing online
@@MsElfMannequin Exactly. Our precolonial ancestors were crafting elaborate cornrow arrangements on 4C hair without flat irons, JAM, Blow dryers, or edge control and formed beautiful styles. If a person can't do the hair that most of us have, then they can't do black hair. Period.
I'm about to go to beauty school and have an old school salon. Nobody's getting their hair done without getting washed and blow dried first. Plus the prices are gonna be REALISTIC! I'll even accept groceries for my services. I'm being serious btw. I'm tired of these hairstylists. We need beauticians and I'll be one soon!!
I went to a stylist one time who kept complaining that my hair was “too thick” and how it’s “difficult to manage”. My aunt began braiding my hair, would wash, dry and style it with no complaints, all the while teaching me how to manage it on my own so it grows healthier and stronger. I’ve never went back to a stylist since
What’s ridiculous is that it’s black women who have similar hair textures complaining about black women’s hair. Hair health is so important but some of these stylist would prefer you damage your hair to make it easier for them to style it..
@@iconicallyiconic thank you! Like her hair looked like she didn’t take care of it at all besides putting braids in it. I stopped blow drying and putting heat and perms in my hair and it made a full recovery, I’m assuming she’s only use to dealing with damaged hair🤷🏾♀️
They do the same to me. I finally found a stylist who on my first visit asked me questions about my hair regimen. She made a few suggestions such as washing hair/rinsing conditioner with cool water and deep conditioning regularly to retain moisture and it's made a huge difference.
Absolutely I miss those days from 80's and 90's era. Get your hair wash cleanse with cute, beautiful styled will not cost you alot of money to pay for it.
As a Black woman, I’m tired of the obsession with “done” hair. There’s way too much negativity around hair in general. Women with human wigs looking down on women with synthetic. Women with relaxers looking down on natural. It’s ridiculous.
just my opinion but human hair wigs absolutely disgust me on the basis that the majority of this hair is coming from impoverished women in India and China who get paid the equiv of $1-2 USD and then you pay $200 for the same bundle!
Listennnn. I recently booked with one of these “stylist” and it was only because she did my sisters hair and it looked so good. I had an event that I had to go to mind you I told this lady that in advance, she cancelled my appointment 3 days before!!! and told me she had to reschedule my appointment and I told her no, send me back my deposit and that I’ll be going elsewhere, she had the nerve to tell me that she doesn’t give refunds… girl I told her I have no problem coming to her salon and getting it if she wants to play these games lol and I contacted the BBB on her. I kindly got my money back
@@silknsatin1325that’s the thing. A lot of these “stylist” have no customer service or even people skills they have no business owning a business because they only care about money
Exactly, I’m a Black girl and when I was little, my mom and aunt was my hair stylist, I use to get my hair done by my female family members. And it was fun as shit lol :p
" Alot of the hairstylist don't like black women and project their self-hate onto their clients " Now if this isn't the TRUTH! 😩😩 the way they will belittle and disrespect their clients because of their hair texture screams anti-black and straight ignorance. like one comment said below they don't like us but they don't mind taking our money smh. It's like that Keith Lee situation that happened in ATL because of him critiquing black owned restaurants and mistreating black customers while still wanting black dollars and thinking black customers/clients don't deserve good service and professionalism and then they had the nerve to get mad because they want biased reviews and loyalty just because you're black, like that doesn't make you above reproach
Everyone loses when there isn't public gathering places! First it'll be salons , then it'll be parks venues etc. Then it'll be no free spaces for poor folks
Fellow hairstylist here 👋🏾… part of the problem is nobody has the passion to do hair anymore, its just a quick & easy buck for them, hence why there is no importance in getting their license anymore. When i was in cosmetology school, you can see the girls that wasn’t passionate about doing hair because they would drop out once they got to the clinic floor. Also alot of these “stylists” have ZERO customer service skills, they dont know how to treat clients and how to maintain clientele. I can literally go on and on about why the industry is the way it is now but those right there are the 2 major reasons.
Honorable mention: how easily accessible these clients are to celebrities. They do one D-list celebrity and all of the sudden they are celebrity stylist and now the price increased 😩. Being a celebrity stylist used to require YEARS of being in the industry and contracts.
AGREED!!! it’s definitely a money grab for a lot of people. i think the pandemic had a big influence on people when it came to cultivating a sense of financial independence. it forced a lot of people to use skills to survive or make extra income. however that also created a weird “hyper independent hustle” culture where people who aren’t meant to/knowledgable + qualified enough to run certain businesses feel like they can/should. it goes beyond hair actually. but definitely a large issue within the hair world for sure.
im in cosmetology class in hs rn, and most of the girls don’t really want to do the actual real cosmetology stuff and only care about doing braids or weaves and no other things like, roller sets etc
These hairstylists have to charge so much because they can’t keep clients with their exorbitant prices. Best stylist I ever had worked out of a run-down house in the country, charged $60 for full sew-ins *WITH* a wash and deep conditioner included. How much did she charge to take your hair down: nothing. I gladly tipped her $40+, and she had a very loyal client base.
Well, she had fewer overheads like shop rentals to factor in. This is no always feasible for professional hairstylists. And for every great stylist like yours, there will be a stylist that ruins hair in another home operation. It's a difficult situation.
@@vanessac1721I believe the point was ppl weren't charging crazy prices for kitchen do's (Wrok from home stylist license or not). You should never pay more then $150 for ANYTHING not done at the shop.
My hairstylist and I was just talking about this a few days ago. Hairstylists nowdays are just so unprofessional and unpleasant. I remember going to the salon with my mother when I was lil girl and hairstylists took pride in doing hair and making their clients look good. Hairstylist nowadays is all about money and clout. Social media and pandemic ruined alot of these hairstylists.
THIS! they actually poured love and care into their clients hair. Social media has made alot of hairstylist feel as though they don’t have to be professional because they don’t have anyone to answer to
Ladies please STOP giving unlicensed professionals your time and money. Most of them are a joke. If they were serious about hair they would go to school.
They charge more for thick coarse hair but won’t charge less for thin hair or small heads. They are literally charging attorney and physician fees over $100 an hr and not saving lives. The worst part is most are not worth the price. Your hair don’t come out looking celebrity but you paying like you are one
White stylist who went to a multicultural school for hair and had specific classes for Black styles here, a huge portion of our clients as students were Black women getting their hair washed and blown out by us and the number of them who were surprised that I was able to get results without yanking their scalps or burning them broke my heart! The idea that for so many people to associate getting hair done with pain and disrespect, and now on top of it brutal prices? This is a SERVICE industry! If you can't stand people, especially your fellow women, why bother?
Sorry for the caps but I want this to be seen: STOP SUPPORTING DEPOSITS, and HAIR NOT BEING WASHED!!! Once the “stylist” realizes that they aren’t making ANY money, then the problem will solve itself. Signed a LICENSED MANICURIST!! They make the whole industry look bad
Nah, i remember the first time i got charged extra for having natural hair. This is basically a Black Tax?! The stylists were black too. I felt bad for not tipping but there went your tip miss ma'am! Even the assistant who was washing my hair had the gall to tell me to detangle my hair before coming in (girl, why am i here then?) and was about to start BRUSHING it DRY! In the age of youtube, i can't see why anybody would do something that crazy to 4c hair. Wide tooth comb + conditioner, am i crazy?
They don’t wash because they are unlicensed. Skipping the license and education part and going straight to social media to start a business is a red flag 🚩. That said, cosmetology school is overpriced and a lot of these girls don’t want to go into debt to start their business. Cosmetology school is where professionalism is taught!!!
They do teach essential information. I agree 💯 percent! I went, did well but I went through some Stuff. 😔 I graduated but never went to state board for license. But I already was doing hair and properly caring for hair before going to school for it. I too was paying money to go to one of my favorite hair salons. From there I learned a lot as well.
You are absolutely right, they have to be unlicensed because I've been to cosmetology school and one of the things they teach you is how to properly cleanse the hair and the importance of doing so. So the fact that you have stylist not giving the service of a shampoo is a red flag. People need to stop going to those people because they are likely not licensed.
The audacity of them calling school overpriced but their work is overpriced. 🙄 Too many black people have a "get rich quick scheme" mindset. That's where hustle culture comes from. Doing any and everything to make money as fast as possible. It's not just with hairstyles. Black own restaurants and some black run events can be the same way.
When I was younger in 2010 cosmetology school was $5000. Easy to pay off for 2 years and cheaper than 4 yrs of college. I never did it but I wish I had
I remember on twitter everyone was outraged when a video of black woman getting her hair done by a white cosmetologist who learned how to do black hair in school was going around. Maybe it’s when they start feeling like their services are being “colonised” that they’ll shape up 🙄
So they complain that non-black cosmetologists need to learn how to do ALL types of hair but when they do, they still complain? Yup, perfectly logical 🤔
I remember seeing a video with black Folks being blindfolded and 1 person was a black hairdresser than the other person was white , without them talking. and they couldn't tell the difference between the white hairdresser or the black hairdresser while they were doing their hair. They had to go of products and scent. They were surprised the white hair dresser did a better job and assumed she was black. Doesn't matter skin color it's about skill and use of appropriate products!
Go into a white salon who has a stylist that can do black hair. It's crazy how much cheaper it is and how good your hair comes out. We have a couple in the UK which I prefer going too more than the black hair salons. It's a shame it's this way!
@ShasstamaHolistics I'm the opposite. I'm white and go to a black barber who also went to cosmetology school. He's the only one I trust with my hair anymore
A jealous BLACK hairstylist ruined my hair last year. She "forgot" to give me specific do's and don'ts for the treatment I asked for. She also gave me bad products to buy. When I left the salon I looked regal. 2 months later my hair was such a mess, falling out, brittle ends etc. I had to wear protective styles to look decent. I called that woman to find out what happened, she went "oh my bad I forgot to tell you...." but she didn't sound surprised at all and gave me a very robotic answer as to what to do. That was a traumatic experience. I haven't gone to a salon since. I understand why some BW only go to non blck salons that do blck hair. That hairstylist kept her hair short, not by choice, but because she didn't know how to maintain her hair. She was so triggered at my hair, especially when one of her male co-workers started going on and on about how gorgeous it looks. I found out she got fired too. I'm scared of hair salons niw, esp. blck ones, I have yet to have had a good experience with them those past 3 years. Last year was the last straw for me. I've decided to learn to do my hair with YT since. 😢
Its ridiculous even with a wash...but im not american so maybe the cost of living plays a part in that. We don't even pay 10% of that service & more in west Africa
These new stylist want us to pay for whatever lifestyle they want to have. From what I observed these ppl also are folks who can’t have or keep a real job and the behavior that keep them from working a relationship job is brought into their business. Im over it
Still got old school hairstylist where I live because everyone is old. There is definitely a big difference between the young and old because those prices and it includes no wash…..I usually let students do my hair cause I’m promised everything
There is definitely a difference, so many of them have retired in my city and their shops got purchased as well due to gentrification but the new ones are charging ludicrous prices
Facts I usually stick to women hairstylists 35 and older. My current hairstylists is only 32 but she is very professional and take good care of my hair. I been going to her for about 6 yrs.
Yes the cosmetology schools are underrated. Get your hair done by a student that is supervised and who’s graduation depends on following price during and demonstrating techniques correctly! And the prices are great. (Feel free to to tip them though, since that money goes to the school that they’re already paying tuition to work at. )
The problem is this newer generation is too entitled. The prices for a lot of these styles don't equal at all. The deposit generation or come washed already is ridiculous. Also some people need to realize when doing hair is not their ministry.
I don’t agree about the deposits, if people didn’t scam them so much or back out at the last minute then it wouldn’t be a thing but most of time deposits aren’t over $25 and it goes to your total so it shouldn’t be a huge problem 🤷🏾♀️ ofc some people abuse the deposits so I understand what you mean if that’s what you meant
There are some good “Old School Stylist”, but let’s not over generalize. Some old school stylist are out of pocket, too. I remember beauticians over booking a particular time, not being on time, leaving, stopping to eat, leaving you under the dryer to finish other people and having an appt time of 4 but not getting serviced until 5 or later. Stylist from either era can treat their clients badly.
That is absolutely ridiculous. It’s not an install. Nothing is getting installed like getting the kitchen sink installed. They’re gluing a wig on your head. It’s preposterous. They’ve really got some of these women believing their nonsense and paying for it.
I’m so glad I have a professional hairstylist I’ve been going to since I was 14. A lot of these new hairstylist have these rules like “come with hair washed and blow dried”. That’s annoying to me.
1: Stop going to them 2: report them To report an unlicensed hair stylist you need to look simply type it in and what state you live in. You then call, email, or fill out a complaint. "Are there disciplinary actions or penalties for unlawful or unlicensed practice of cosmetology? Yes. The Board may investigate and penalize those who engage in the unlawful, including unlicensed, practice of cosmetology. In addition to other penalties, which include but are not limited to, the suspension or revocation of a license, an individual may be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $10,000 for a first violation and not more than $20,000 for each additional second and subsequent violations of a law or regulation administered by the Board. For example, any individual, who is not a Board licensee, and performs cosmetology services for payment, is engaging in unlicensed practice subject to a penalty. Likewise, any licensee engaging in practices or other services that are noncompliant with existing law or regulation may also be subject to penalties. Violations, and corresponding penalties, will be determined on a case-by-case basis."
That and the new expectation that you need to be stretched and blow dried before braids is just insane to me. How you say you do Black hair and styles, but can't handle Black textures??
I feel like if these stylists are gonna charge such high prices they could at least include basic services like washing the customer's hair. I shouldn't have to basically have my hair done already in order to get my hair done.
I can’t wait to get my license because I’m giving old school service. I’ll wash you, condition you, offer treatments that you actually NEED to keep your follicles healthy, style you how you requested. I got you on the conversation and refreshments too. And most importantly, I’m gonna be on time which is all I would ask of my client…..that and the price we agreed on
Im mostly shocked at these stylists not knowing how to do natural hair. Most of them are young so they had to have learned their skills during the HUGE natural hair boom in the early 2010s
This makes me so sad. I’m a white woman so this isn’t my story, but I’ve seen it across the industry too. Everything is so expensive now - it’s considered a luxury. But I feel like for black woman especially since these are protective styles, it’s so important to keep prices accessible. You shouldn’t have to pay hundreds to take care of yourself. I hate that it’s the state of the industry today. I’m so sorry. :(
The "old school" American hair dressers were rejected in favor of the Dominican stylists and the African braiders. I remember it being "a thing" on social media, saying they preferred the Dominicans and Africans because they were cheaper. Now those women who rejected their own are complaining that the Dominican stylists and African braiders have finally ruined their hair after years of services.
In addition to the crazy charges , let’s talk about the length of time it takes to get your hair done nowadays I was in a salon one time for almost 4-5 hours for a SILK PRESS and at the end of my service she lets me know there’s an upcharge for an additional $60 because I haven’t gotten my hair done by her in the last 6 months 😭 like that is ridiculous 🤣 we got to do better!
I’m white and the women hating women thing is so real and I don’t totally get it. Women can be their own worst enemies sometimes. I think it’s way worse now than in the past. I can’t believe stylists are charging car payments prices and aren’t licensed. That’s wild. I couldn’t afford any of that. It sounds like stylists want your hair to be basically done before getting to the salon.
That's really true! My sister and I have 4c hair, and on multiple occasions have had to get our hair relaxed before a stylist will put it into extensions or box braids.
I stopped getting my hair done when i asked for a trim and she cut of 6 inches. Walked in with waist length hair and walked out with bra strap length hair. Best believe Ive been cutting my own hair for 10 years now. Hair is waist length again and healthy as ever. Never again.
I’ve been getting my ends dusted every 4 months. I went to a new stylist and she said I needed to cut 3+ inches off. Going to the salon these days is frustrating, no one knows what they’re doing 😫
Recently there were some old school professional hair dressers on Twitter-X that said they were abandoned for the IG stylists. Because the IG stylists were seen as more trendy and modern. Now the "old school" women that are trained and licensed are saying that women are coming to them with huge amounts of hair loss looking for help. But the old school hair dressers are saying they've retired.
Here’s the issue, a lot of the new stylist aren’t going to hair school and getting a license so they missed out on the opportunity to actually build up customer service skills as well as professionalism. These things are taught in the curriculum. A huge part of being a good stylist is actually having good customer service skills that’s like the number one thing in this field, and also your ability to care for hair NOT just know how to do it. Also, the first thing you learn in school is how to wash and properly blow dry hair, so to have “stylist” not even incorporating that in the service is beyond me. -a current cosmetology student 💁🏽♀️
That’s actually not it. I’ve learned how to do my own hair due to lack of goof customer service, and someone messing up my hair yet they had a license…. Something’s can’t be taught when it comes to having people skills. There are bad people in every profession. Even nurses and chef can have a bad attitude.
I am 29 and my stylist is 60 years old! She is the only one that saved my damaged hair! The frontals messed my real hair up so bad and she saved my brittle hair 🙌🏾 NOW, My hair is growing fast like corn in a corn field 😂😂😢
My stylist texted me she didn’t feel good 10 damn minutes before my appointment this past Saturday, and asked can I reschedule to the next Saturday. Now when I got sick with covid, that bih kept my damn deposit
What do you all think of this? It’s a New salon chain in North Texas called Pressed Roots (black owned from a sister who went to Harvard). They have a detangling policy of anything over 5 minutes of detangling, they start to charge $15 per 5 minutes of detangling. I told them this is a bias policy especially since this salon specializes in straightening natural hair and even more especially since type 4 hair is more prone to tangling up. Not cool! They have no customer service number and I can only email them and no one ever responded to my concern after 3 weeks! Totally rude and unprofessional! But what do y’all think?
We need to just start playing dirty and reporting these establishments to the business bureas or whoever regulates. By law, they need to adhere to and abide by laws and regulations in their respective states for a reason!
No, some of these "hairstylists" need to be bashed and shamed, it is ridiculous. I'm lucky I found a good person to do my hair every month but some of my past experiences have left a horrible impression on me. I LOVED the intro...took me back!
Why have I seen so many ladies talking about stylists sneaking relaxers into the conditioner when washing hair…. To the point where one mom brought her own products and stood over the stylist while her daughter got her hair washed. You should trust that they are ONLY giving you what you asked for.
Right. It's crazy. The hate for natural hair or disregard of people's request of only shampoo and condition- Not relaxers. I believe it. I think it happened to me. Curls weren't the same. A few straight pieces. The one time in years I decide to get a wash, silk, and trim. I started sweating and I'm smelling that familiar relaxer smell. Did she sneak chemical in my head or is it some heat damage? What's with these stylists? Oh and they always push naturals to get a relaxer or press their hair so it can be real pretty.
This girl had me on Tik Tok live, no joke! Didn’t inform me. Just had it going on! I dont want strangers seeing me in the wash bowl! And when I noticed and dumbly asked “is that tik tok live?” She just turned my head and said “oh they can’t see your face “ like GIRL ! IDGAF ! I dont want to be filmed rn
Yeah... As an "Introverted Individual" with "Social Anxiety", Hairdressers often frowned upon me for not wanting to participate in taking photos & vids. It was so embarrassing! 😩
Growing up in the 80s, 90s and up to 2007 I had this one hairstylist who did my mom and my hair and she was the best. She even did my hair for my wedding. She passed away from cancer in 2008 when I was pregnant with my first child and it was devastating because it was like losing a family member. I remember paying $20 for each serving and, if I wanted my hair relaxed it's $40 and box braids, $60. Now these hairstylists are ridiculous, I wanted my daughter's hair did for homecoming at her high school last year and she wanted the silk press and the salon charged $250 and I was like hell no! I ended up doing my daughter's hair myself and it turned out great regardless. I even do my own hair, just to save money and I cut my husband's hair.
The crazier thing is relaxers have been proven to cause cancer and oil sheen etc contain VOCs. My great grandmother was also a hairdresser and she passed from cancer. Maybe the new price is a shift differential for oncology risk
@@MrArtVein it’s definitely not that. Black women don’t make a peep about the dangers of all of those products and fumes. They are on a major bag chase to the point that it’s scary.
Things were not better back in the day, they just got worse. I stopped going to the salon before IG even existed because it was way too common for hairdressers to not respect your time. The longest i waited was 3 hours (i ended up just walking out). I only go for a trim now.
So true. I started to get my hair done back in the 90s as a young girl. The stylists of the 80s and 90s were GOD GIVEN. They actually loved people and being a hair stylists. Now it seems like some stylists hate black women and it shows in their treatment of sistas. I have been blessed with an awesome hair Braider who doesn’t great work for a decent price and she’s quick! She doesn’t take all day to braid and she has a good friendly attitude. Good stylists are hard to find today. I know the struggle. Appreciate her if she is good.
As a white girl this is so shocking and heartbreaking to find out about. I feel as if every girl of every race can relate to having more hair chopped off than we want or just having some kind of hair horror story, but not washing your client’s hair? Isn’t that what hair stylists do first? Applying chemicals to your hair without your consent, braiding your hair so tight that it ends up damaging your hair instead of protecting it, it’s all very sickening to hear. My heart goes out to all you ladies ❤️
My mom is a hairstylist and I would help her in her salon. She was always washing the hair of clients, first thing. When she did my hair, that was also the first thing she did.
It's because stylists have gotten comfortable with the fact that most Black women don't like/wear our natural hair. So they feel like they can charge and treat us however they choose. They don't want to be bothered. It's very sad all around.
We have to stop romanticizing the 90s and early 2000’s. As someone who is 44 years old, going to the salon in the 90s was traumatizing as well. It was an all day experience regardless if you wanted it to be or not. I’ll never forget having a 10am appointment for a weave and leaving the salon at night, about 9pm to only get home to a bumpy unattractive, too tight weave. Many of us left the BLK salons in favor of the Dominican salons because we got tired of spending 12 hours on our day off, waiting alongside 7 other women with the same 11am appointment. We got tired of the beauticians piling tons of hair products on our hair, frying our hair with that smoking Marcel iron, to leave the salon with a sticky, gummy, stiff hairstyle we didn’t ask for.
I don’t know about how it was during the 90s and 00s but yes! Thank you for your perspective. I don’t think it was necessarily peaches and cream back then either
@@branthlysauveur359 late millennials and Gen Z swears everything was better back then. We had our issues and struggles. The rise of the TH-cam stylist imo is due to Gen X growing tired of 90s and early 2000’s stylist antics but then we took TH-cam University too far lolol
@@Whoisthatgirl-gj8uw wdym?? I know and heard of plenty of people who grew up in that time period and they even said the 90s and early 2000s was better. Yes, of course there were struggles but the culture was much better, everything went downhill after that. It’s not just the young generation. A lot of people from different generations have mention that many times. Also, I’m sorry about your experience but like the original video said- the hair salon experience in the 90s were much better than todays time. Of course there were some bad hair salons, but overall it was all about community and quality service. Ever since social media came, it gave more women access to become “hairstylists” and just do anything their way.
Overcharging for natural hair, deposits, expensive prices, the deposit price not going towards the hairstyle price, ect. I learned how to do my own hair and kept it pushing.
I also live in NY, born and raised, and you’re so spot on. I refuse to go to any of these girls for my braids, I still only go to the Senegalese salons because while they might not be the most gentle, I know I won’t be charged more than $250 for anything, won’t have to leave a deposit, they won’t charge me random little fees for touching my hair or moving (!!!!) These girls have disdain for their clients, feel so entitled to our money and operate with lots of anti blackness. Fees for 4C hair is anti black. Period.
I had a stylist cancel my appointment twice and when I was 3 minutes late she said I could not get my deposit back if I cancel, Well I just called the bank and canceled the deposit .
And, now they're charging the late fees based upon how late you cancel. For example, if you're 24 hours away from your appointment, that's 23% charge. Same day cancelations can be between 50-100% of the total of the booked style. I absolutely hate it! We should definitely learn to do our own beautiful hair! No matter our texture or length or color of our skin. Sounds delusional to me!
Some of these stylists don't want to show up, but want you to still pay them like they're a charity and not a business. 🙄 _I_ shouldn't have to pay when _you_ aren't the one who bothered to send a call, text, or email to request a reschedule. Finding a good hairdresser is like finding gold. That's not even getting into the ones who steal pictures from other hairdressers and post them on social media as if they did the style. 🤦🏽♀️
@hope-cat4894 yes I agree, I'm about to try to learn all I can from TH-cam. I can do a lot and it looks good enough but not as uniformed as I would get at a salon. And I can't braid at alll lol
Im a man with dreads now and i hate having to get a retwist.. its only one girl in my area charging less than 250..and I always have to wait for her to finish even tho i booked and showed up on time,plus we in her apartment,and her kids are so loud and bad,she have to pause every couple minutes to yell at em...she do a good job,but the process is annoying
I know a Master Cosmetologist who's been licensed for over 40 years and helped shape hair styling as we know it today. She says the problem nowadays is not knowing the difference between a simple Stylist v Cosmetologist. Depending on the state, the latter is held to stricter regulations, longer schooling, a deeper knowledge of the craft, and must maintain more CEUs to broaden their education throughout the years. Going to a licensed cosmetologist is safer. Some of these Stylists want to make the same premium bucks by doing the minimum with less training and knowledge. Not all, but some.
I started doing my own hair exclusively over a year ago. I have locs. The cost of maintenance went up, I have to travel far, I have to give a deposit, pay for a “consultation”, and am expected to tip. I can’t do it as fancy but I now have control over the products, don’t have to drive, and save my $80 + tip monthly. When enough people skip the salon and do their own, perhaps it will get better. I can now save my $1,200 a year 🤷🏾♀️. That’s the new girl math.
Same! I started my locs years ago and I couldn't afford to get it done so I had to do research and now I know what products to not use and I can do my own retwist. While my parts are that neat, I am fine with them because I grew them out from fingertip length to down my back.
It's crazy to see how the overall reputations of Salons in America has Tanked. Nothing but horror stories and negative connotation with it now. I remember being in the early 2000's and the idea of getting your nails done or hair layered was so fun. Now people associate salons with their worst nightmare. Instead of being pampered, you expect to be talked about badly by foreigners in another language, having all your hair cut off, all your hair burnt or bleached off by unlicensed teens cosplaying as hairdressers.
No one talks enough about all the filters these IG hair stylists put on their hair pics and videos to make the style look better than what it really is. Especially the lace installs. Talking about “melted” no it’s a “filter”.
I'm so glad to have grown up in the era where the hair salon was the place to be. It was such an experience and remember being in the salon watching my mom get her hair done. This whole thing with the stylist on social media really blew up during the pandemic but started when I was in college and the behavior and entitlement of these "stylists" are too much. I guess I'm a little old school because I would rather go to a salon and get my hair done by a licensed stylist than get one of these ppl off of social media.
I live in Japan and they treat my hair so gently. I have been to the salon in both Korea and Japan. Every time I would go to the new salon I would tell her I’m sorry that my hair is very thick and curly. And the hairstylist would just tell me. Oh no, don’t worry I’ll take care of you. It’s my job I don’t mind. And they would be so gentle when they would wash my hair and they would even use a brush if I asked them to use the brush. My best experiences with salons have been with male hairstylist who were trained in Tokyo. They were very confident in doing my hair, whereas the one time I went to a female hairstylist Japan, she was very unsure and lacked confidence. However, she did take my advice as I was guiding her on how to do my hair. The one time I went to the salon in Korea, he had been trained in Tokyo, despite being in Korean. I don’t live in the city, but you can find the stylist all over Japan. They get trained in Tokyo and then they go back to their hometown and start a salon.
When I was a junior stylist I remember asking one of my sew-in clients if they were ok half way through and she was shocked. I think being unlicensed and un-mentored is the problem. Having a foundation in professionalism and customer care is key.
I’m white so my experience is different but I have noticed many of the same things you mentioned. I used to get my hair done every 6 weeks and I stopped going over a year ago because the hair stylist I went to was being mentally abusive. She would say really degrading remarks like commenting on my clothing. The last time I went she burnt my scalp and blamed me. I actually think I have PTSD from that hair dresser. Now I tone my hair myself and trim it myself. I truly am afraid to go to a hair dresser.
@@BagelBagelB1 PTSD can be caused by a variety of factors, including emotional/mental torment. Some people who were severely bullied have the condition.
I stopped going to the salons years ago, stopped in 2012. It’s been bad for a while. They are rude. Make you wait. Charge too much. Put chemicals in your hair you don’t want. Burn your scalp. I won’t take my daughter to a salon to protect her from this drama. Now to hear many people are not even licensed. Horrible! And my husband says barbers do similar things. I keep my hair natural. Never had a perm. No braids or weaves. I can’t wait until trends change and all this fake nails, hair etc is out of fashion. I look forward to us black women enjoying our natural hair and looks!
My hairstylist is retiring this year and she has been doing my hair since I was 13 and my daughter’s hair for 14 years! I am panicking trying to find another hair stylist like her. She really cared about her clients and appreciated all black hair!
I'm glad I'm not the only one baffled at these stylists taking deposits, keeping those deposits no matter what, and charging you for the haircut even if you end up not being able to show up. The main reason I believe they still do this is because they have a social media following that defends them and makes excuses for them.
Getting charged extra for long & thick hair is INSANE and normal for these times. Just tell me you're lazy & leave it at that. Oh and being late? Yep u get charged. But if they're late? They're just late. No discount, nothing. Smh
I'm 38 with 3 girls! I taught myself how to braid at age 11. My girls get their hair done by ME! They get their lashes and nails done by ME. I'VE GOT A 28 inch long afro stretched out and i was told it would be 350.00 to flat ironed! These people crazy
The prices they charge are outrageous!! Especially when they tell you to bring your own hair and to have your hair washed and blowed dried, and it still cost like $400 and up. As well as the disrespect from these stylist. That’s why I’ve learned to do my hair at home.
To me the salon was another form of women bonding and coming together. I also feel the stylist actually LOVED doing hair. & will love it so much that depending on your circumstances they may do something for you free of charge. They damn sure would never charge you over $100.00 for a press and curl, blow out, touch up etc. (unless you were getting a certain hairstyle that will require extra hair & longer hours).Especially if they worked in the community where you know that’s not affordable for customers. Especially for single moms with daughters who need their hair done as well. One customer should not be paying your whole car note.& there was no such thing as a deposit . Just call & ask for availability. If you need to reschedule just say the word. Lastly, they would NEVER risk their license or business by telling you to come with your hair washed & blown out. A real professional will tell you that most customers look forward to the hair washing because it’s cathartic. Little do these current so called stylists know that is what really keeps your business thriving and growing. I hope we get back to it one day. Because today’s stylist are just doing it for the money.
Every time I see someone charging $300 for a sew-in or a ponytail I wonder how can anyone afford to get their hair done regularly nowadays. Ironically if these stylists charged more reasonable prices, their clients would see them a lot more often and they’d make more money!
If these stylists think they deserve $50+ an hour they need to go become engineers.
Sorry not sorry but yeah they overcharging like crazy for something that is not a necessity.
I saw one charging 150 an hour
Exactly. Hairstylists also ask you a crazy amount for TWISTS.... TWISTS????? 2 strands??? That you can do at home in 3 hours, with braids bought at SHEIN for 3 bucks a pack??? This is precisely why Mr Wu gets my money now.
100%
Babe, I’m so glad you’re doing a video on this. Everyone wants to be a stylist, but majority of them don’t know how to do 4c hair. If your hair is coarse and nappy, then all of a sudden they can’t do it. It’s wild. No license, just unprofessional and vibes.
They want the title of being a stylist however they don’t want to do the hard work or actually love what they do. It’s all about money and flexing online
On god a braider was braiding my hair and said out loud she doesn’t like doing hair. She just don’t like doing 4c hair
Which is really weird because kinky hair is easier to braid than loose hair
@@MsElfMannequin Exactly. Our precolonial ancestors were crafting elaborate cornrow arrangements on 4C hair without flat irons, JAM, Blow dryers, or edge control and formed beautiful styles. If a person can't do the hair that most of us have, then they can't do black hair. Period.
Even in cosmetology college, the NEWEST edition of the Milady book has only 4 pages out of 316 on textured hair.
I'm about to go to beauty school and have an old school salon. Nobody's getting their hair done without getting washed and blow dried first. Plus the prices are gonna be REALISTIC! I'll even accept groceries for my services. I'm being serious btw. I'm tired of these hairstylists. We need beauticians and I'll be one soon!!
Congratulations!!! I know you’re going to do well and thank you in advance.
@priestlaaris8208 thank you! You can be my first client
Keep going and do it! The community needs this back.
I wish you luck and success ❤❤❤
wishing you all of the success and happiness🤍
I went to a stylist one time who kept complaining that my hair was “too thick” and how it’s “difficult to manage”. My aunt began braiding my hair, would wash, dry and style it with no complaints, all the while teaching me how to manage it on my own so it grows healthier and stronger. I’ve never went back to a stylist since
What’s ridiculous is that it’s black women who have similar hair textures complaining about black women’s hair. Hair health is so important but some of these stylist would prefer you damage your hair to make it easier for them to style it..
@@iconicallyiconic thank you! Like her hair looked like she didn’t take care of it at all besides putting braids in it. I stopped blow drying and putting heat and perms in my hair and it made a full recovery, I’m assuming she’s only use to dealing with damaged hair🤷🏾♀️
They do the same to me. I finally found a stylist who on my first visit asked me questions about my hair regimen. She made a few suggestions such as washing hair/rinsing conditioner with cool water and deep conditioning regularly to retain moisture and it's made a huge difference.
This is insane. 🤦🏽♀️
Bring back salons. The price was the same for everyone and it was a sense of community.
yesssss!!! i miss salon culture.
Absolutely I miss those days from 80's and 90's era. Get your hair wash cleanse with cute, beautiful styled will not cost you alot of money to pay for it.
It feels like everyone just does hair at their house now. I guess renting a booth has gotten too expensive now.
As a Black woman, I’m tired of the obsession with “done” hair. There’s way too much negativity around hair in general. Women with human wigs looking down on women with synthetic. Women with relaxers looking down on natural.
It’s ridiculous.
just my opinion but human hair wigs absolutely disgust me on the basis that the majority of this hair is coming from impoverished women in India and China who get paid the equiv of $1-2 USD and then you pay $200 for the same bundle!
If you charge a client extra for being late then you should give her a discount for starting late.
Listennnn. I recently booked with one of these “stylist” and it was only because she did my sisters hair and it looked so good. I had an event that I had to go to mind you I told this lady that in advance, she cancelled my appointment 3 days before!!! and told me she had to reschedule my appointment and I told her no, send me back my deposit and that I’ll be going elsewhere, she had the nerve to tell me that she doesn’t give refunds… girl I told her I have no problem coming to her salon and getting it if she wants to play these games lol and I contacted the BBB on her. I kindly got my money back
As you should
If the stylist is the one to cancel the appointment, they definitely should refund the deposit! That’s basic customer service.
@@silknsatin1325that’s the thing. A lot of these “stylist” have no customer service or even people skills they have no business owning a business because they only care about money
The joy of getting your hair done in the salon as a little black girl was a joyous experience growing up for me.
Exactly, I’m a Black girl and when I was little, my mom and aunt was my hair stylist, I use to get my hair done by my female family members. And it was fun as shit lol :p
Everyone trying to make a quick buck and not taking care of actual hair , I miss BEAUTICIANS
" Alot of the hairstylist don't like black women and project their self-hate onto their clients " Now if this isn't the TRUTH! 😩😩 the way they will belittle and disrespect their clients because of their hair texture screams anti-black and straight ignorance. like one comment said below they don't like us but they don't mind taking our money smh. It's like that Keith Lee situation that happened in ATL because of him critiquing black owned restaurants and mistreating black customers while still wanting black dollars and thinking black customers/clients don't deserve good service and professionalism and then they had the nerve to get mad because they want biased reviews and loyalty just because you're black, like that doesn't make you above reproach
with the loss of beauty salons, we're losing community gathering spaces for Black folks
Everyone loses when there isn't public gathering places! First it'll be salons , then it'll be parks venues etc. Then it'll be no free spaces for poor folks
Fellow hairstylist here 👋🏾… part of the problem is nobody has the passion to do hair anymore, its just a quick & easy buck for them, hence why there is no importance in getting their license anymore. When i was in cosmetology school, you can see the girls that wasn’t passionate about doing hair because they would drop out once they got to the clinic floor. Also alot of these “stylists” have ZERO customer service skills, they dont know how to treat clients and how to maintain clientele. I can literally go on and on about why the industry is the way it is now but those right there are the 2 major reasons.
Honorable mention: how easily accessible these clients are to celebrities. They do one D-list celebrity and all of the sudden they are celebrity stylist and now the price increased 😩. Being a celebrity stylist used to require YEARS of being in the industry and contracts.
AGREED!!! it’s definitely a money grab for a lot of people. i think the pandemic had a big influence on people when it came to cultivating a sense of financial independence. it forced a lot of people to use skills to survive or make extra income. however that also created a weird “hyper independent hustle” culture where people who aren’t meant to/knowledgable + qualified enough to run certain businesses feel like they can/should. it goes beyond hair actually. but definitely a large issue within the hair world for sure.
@@Beeejanaehave you gotten the chance to work on someone in the industry
im in cosmetology class in hs rn, and most of the girls don’t really want to do the actual real cosmetology stuff and only care about doing braids or weaves and no other things like, roller sets etc
@@stvrlightt4670 how was learning to braid for you
These hairstylists have to charge so much because they can’t keep clients with their exorbitant prices. Best stylist I ever had worked out of a run-down house in the country, charged $60 for full sew-ins *WITH* a wash and deep conditioner included. How much did she charge to take your hair down: nothing. I gladly tipped her $40+, and she had a very loyal client base.
Well, she had fewer overheads like shop rentals to factor in. This is no always feasible for professional hairstylists. And for every great stylist like yours, there will be a stylist that ruins hair in another home operation. It's a difficult situation.
@@vanessac1721I believe the point was ppl weren't charging crazy prices for kitchen do's (Wrok from home stylist license or not). You should never pay more then $150 for ANYTHING not done at the shop.
My hairstylist and I was just talking about this a few days ago. Hairstylists nowdays are just so unprofessional and unpleasant. I remember going to the salon with my mother when I was lil girl and hairstylists took pride in doing hair and making their clients look good. Hairstylist nowadays is all about money and clout. Social media and pandemic ruined alot of these hairstylists.
THIS! they actually poured love and care into their clients hair. Social media has made alot of hairstylist feel as though they don’t have to be professional because they don’t have anyone to answer to
Ladies please STOP giving unlicensed professionals your time and money. Most of them are a joke. If they were serious about hair they would go to school.
They charge more for thick coarse hair but won’t charge less for thin hair or small heads. They are literally charging attorney and physician fees over $100 an hr and not saving lives. The worst part is most are not worth the price. Your hair don’t come out looking celebrity but you paying like you are one
Facts! I have a small head & thin hair. I'm like, it took you an hour & a half to do my hair, but I'm still being charged $300+ 🤔
White stylist who went to a multicultural school for hair and had specific classes for Black styles here, a huge portion of our clients as students were Black women getting their hair washed and blown out by us and the number of them who were surprised that I was able to get results without yanking their scalps or burning them broke my heart! The idea that for so many people to associate getting hair done with pain and disrespect, and now on top of it brutal prices? This is a SERVICE industry! If you can't stand people, especially your fellow women, why bother?
for real! Ive had so many yank my hair - and Im not super tender headed but I've lost my edges !
Sorry for the caps but I want this to be seen:
STOP SUPPORTING DEPOSITS, and HAIR NOT BEING WASHED!!!
Once the “stylist” realizes that they aren’t making ANY money, then the problem will solve itself.
Signed a LICENSED MANICURIST!!
They make the whole industry look bad
YES
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I started doing that when my hairdresser left for Chicago. I do not entertain such foolishness. I do my own nails and hair.
Nah, i remember the first time i got charged extra for having natural hair. This is basically a Black Tax?! The stylists were black too. I felt bad for not tipping but there went your tip miss ma'am! Even the assistant who was washing my hair had the gall to tell me to detangle my hair before coming in (girl, why am i here then?) and was about to start BRUSHING it DRY! In the age of youtube, i can't see why anybody would do something that crazy to 4c hair. Wide tooth comb + conditioner, am i crazy?
They don’t wash because they are unlicensed. Skipping the license and education part and going straight to social media to start a business is a red flag 🚩. That said, cosmetology school is overpriced and a lot of these girls don’t want to go into debt to start their business. Cosmetology school is where professionalism is taught!!!
Did you try cosmetology school
They do teach essential information. I agree 💯 percent! I went, did well but I went through some Stuff. 😔 I graduated but never went to state board for license. But I already was doing hair and properly caring for hair before going to school for it. I too was paying money to go to one of my favorite hair salons. From there I learned a lot as well.
You are absolutely right, they have to be unlicensed because I've been to cosmetology school and one of the things they teach you is how to properly cleanse the hair and the importance of doing so. So the fact that you have stylist not giving the service of a shampoo is a red flag. People need to stop going to those people because they are likely not licensed.
The audacity of them calling school overpriced but their work is overpriced. 🙄
Too many black people have a "get rich quick scheme" mindset. That's where hustle culture comes from. Doing any and everything to make money as fast as possible.
It's not just with hairstyles. Black own restaurants and some black run events can be the same way.
When I was younger in 2010 cosmetology school was $5000. Easy to pay off for 2 years and cheaper than 4 yrs of college. I never did it but I wish I had
I remember on twitter everyone was outraged when a video of black woman getting her hair done by a white cosmetologist who learned how to do black hair in school was going around. Maybe it’s when they start feeling like their services are being “colonised” that they’ll shape up 🙄
So they complain that non-black cosmetologists need to learn how to do ALL types of hair but when they do, they still complain? Yup, perfectly logical 🤔
I remember seeing a video with black Folks being blindfolded and 1 person was a black hairdresser than the other person was white , without them talking. and they couldn't tell the difference between the white hairdresser or the black hairdresser while they were doing their hair. They had to go of products and scent. They were surprised the white hair dresser did a better job and assumed she was black. Doesn't matter skin color it's about skill and use of appropriate products!
Perhaps.
Back in the day, you could walk in the hair salon with a matted afro or a bad perm and walk out lookin like a super model for $45 - $60.
Go into a white salon who has a stylist that can do black hair. It's crazy how much cheaper it is and how good your hair comes out. We have a couple in the UK which I prefer going too more than the black hair salons. It's a shame it's this way!
@ShasstamaHolistics I'm the opposite. I'm white and go to a black barber who also went to cosmetology school. He's the only one I trust with my hair anymore
These stylists want to work on 2 clients per week to pay their bills
This!!!
Oh this is true now that I think about it
A jealous BLACK hairstylist ruined my hair last year. She "forgot" to give me specific do's and don'ts for the treatment I asked for. She also gave me bad products to buy. When I left the salon I looked regal. 2 months later my hair was such a mess, falling out, brittle ends etc. I had to wear protective styles to look decent. I called that woman to find out what happened, she went "oh my bad I forgot to tell you...." but she didn't sound surprised at all and gave me a very robotic answer as to what to do. That was a traumatic experience. I haven't gone to a salon since. I understand why some BW only go to non blck salons that do blck hair. That hairstylist kept her hair short, not by choice, but because she didn't know how to maintain her hair. She was so triggered at my hair, especially when one of her male co-workers started going on and on about how gorgeous it looks. I found out she got fired too. I'm scared of hair salons niw, esp. blck ones, I have yet to have had a good experience with them those past 3 years. Last year was the last straw for me. I've decided to learn to do my hair with YT since. 😢
I'm currently doing my own hair right now cause my anxiety can't handle these high-school mean girl stylist 😩
$600 is ridiculous without a wash
Its ridiculous even with a wash...but im not american so maybe the cost of living plays a part in that. We don't even pay 10% of that service & more in west Africa
Nails salons and facial care also is OVERPRICED now.
When you compare black hair books back then to now, it feels like the creativity of black hair has gone away too. 😢
For sure! The only thing that I’d say is still creative are braids!
Because everyone is wearing lace front wigs.
Most so-called "stylists" these days CAN'T do hair; ONLY wigs and weaves. They AREN'T creative.
These new stylist want us to pay for whatever lifestyle they want to have. From what I observed these ppl also are folks who can’t have or keep a real job and the behavior that keep them from working a relationship job is brought into their business.
Im over it
Still got old school hairstylist where I live because everyone is old. There is definitely a big difference between the young and old because those prices and it includes no wash…..I usually let students do my hair cause I’m promised everything
There is definitely a difference, so many of them have retired in my city and their shops got purchased as well due to gentrification but the new ones are charging ludicrous prices
Facts I usually stick to women hairstylists 35 and older. My current hairstylists is only 32 but she is very professional and take good care of my hair. I been going to her for about 6 yrs.
Yes the cosmetology schools are underrated. Get your hair done by a student that is supervised and who’s graduation depends on following price during and demonstrating techniques correctly! And the prices are great. (Feel free to to tip them though, since that money goes to the school that they’re already paying tuition to work at. )
The problem is this newer generation is too entitled. The prices for a lot of these styles don't equal at all. The deposit generation or come washed already is ridiculous. Also some people need to realize when doing hair is not their ministry.
I don’t agree about the deposits, if people didn’t scam them so much or back out at the last minute then it wouldn’t be a thing but most of time deposits aren’t over $25 and it goes to your total so it shouldn’t be a huge problem 🤷🏾♀️ ofc some people abuse the deposits so I understand what you mean if that’s what you meant
@@tatiannabaker3943 yeah, it's the abuse of it and extra fees
There are some good “Old School Stylist”, but let’s not over generalize. Some old school stylist are out of pocket, too. I remember beauticians over booking a particular time, not being on time, leaving, stopping to eat, leaving you under the dryer to finish other people and having an appt time of 4 but not getting serviced until 5 or later. Stylist from either era can treat their clients badly.
I’m convinced beauty schools don’t even exist no mo
My hairstylist charges $180 for box braids Silk Press is $50 and if I want or need my hair washed it’s free I usually give her a $10 tip everytime
Installing a wig/unit is considered "styling" now
Thank the gay men for this.
That is absolutely ridiculous. It’s not an install. Nothing is getting installed like getting the kitchen sink installed. They’re gluing a wig on your head. It’s preposterous. They’ve really got some of these women believing their nonsense and paying for it.
I know right 😩😩
Some of these stylist have such nasty attitudes and act like you’re supposed to bow down to them. They look down on their clients but want their money
I’m so glad I have a professional hairstylist I’ve been going to since I was 14. A lot of these new hairstylist have these rules like “come with hair washed and blow dried”. That’s annoying to me.
Rite smh I would never go to a hairstylist I have to come with my hair washed and blow dried. That is suppose to be part of the service.
1: Stop going to them
2: report them
To report an unlicensed hair stylist you need to look simply type it in and what state you live in. You then call, email, or fill out a complaint.
"Are there disciplinary actions or penalties for unlawful or unlicensed practice of cosmetology?
Yes. The Board may investigate and penalize those who engage in the unlawful, including unlicensed, practice of cosmetology. In addition to other penalties, which include but are not limited to, the suspension or revocation of a license, an individual may be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $10,000 for a first violation and not more than $20,000 for each additional second and subsequent violations of a law or regulation administered by the Board. For example, any individual, who is not a Board licensee, and performs cosmetology services for payment, is engaging in unlicensed practice subject to a penalty. Likewise, any licensee engaging in practices or other services that are noncompliant with existing law or regulation may also be subject to penalties. Violations, and corresponding penalties, will be determined on a case-by-case basis."
I can't get over the fact that have to pay more because I have dense 4b hair. It's like being punished for something I cant change.
That and the new expectation that you need to be stretched and blow dried before braids is just insane to me. How you say you do Black hair and styles, but can't handle Black textures??
I feel like if these stylists are gonna charge such high prices they could at least include basic services like washing the customer's hair. I shouldn't have to basically have my hair done already in order to get my hair done.
They don’t love to do hair anymore, they just want money
Sadly, that seems like a lot of industries now.
I can’t wait to get my license because I’m giving old school service. I’ll wash you, condition you, offer treatments that you actually NEED to keep your follicles healthy, style you how you requested. I got you on the conversation and refreshments too. And most importantly, I’m gonna be on time which is all I would ask of my client…..that and the price we agreed on
Im mostly shocked at these stylists not knowing how to do natural hair. Most of them are young so they had to have learned their skills during the HUGE natural hair boom in the early 2010s
This makes me so sad. I’m a white woman so this isn’t my story, but I’ve seen it across the industry too. Everything is so expensive now - it’s considered a luxury. But I feel like for black woman especially since these are protective styles, it’s so important to keep prices accessible. You shouldn’t have to pay hundreds to take care of yourself. I hate that it’s the state of the industry today. I’m so sorry. :(
The "old school" American hair dressers were rejected in favor of the Dominican stylists and the African braiders. I remember it being "a thing" on social media, saying they preferred the Dominicans and Africans because they were cheaper. Now those women who rejected their own are complaining that the Dominican stylists and African braiders have finally ruined their hair after years of services.
In addition to the crazy charges , let’s talk about the length of time it takes to get your hair done nowadays I was in a salon one time for almost 4-5 hours for a SILK PRESS and at the end of my service she lets me know there’s an upcharge for an additional $60 because I haven’t gotten my hair done by her in the last 6 months 😭 like that is ridiculous 🤣 we got to do better!
I’m white and the women hating women thing is so real and I don’t totally get it. Women can be their own worst enemies sometimes. I think it’s way worse now than in the past. I can’t believe stylists are charging car payments prices and aren’t licensed. That’s wild. I couldn’t afford any of that. It sounds like stylists want your hair to be basically done before getting to the salon.
That's really true! My sister and I have 4c hair, and on multiple occasions have had to get our hair relaxed before a stylist will put it into extensions or box braids.
I stopped getting my hair done when i asked for a trim and she cut of 6 inches. Walked in with waist length hair and walked out with bra strap length hair. Best believe Ive been cutting my own hair for 10 years now. Hair is waist length again and healthy as ever. Never again.
This!!! I asked for a trim and she gave me a cut with layers. I do my own trims now.
Yup. Never again. I do my own hair.
I’ve been getting my ends dusted every 4 months. I went to a new stylist and she said I needed to cut 3+ inches off.
Going to the salon these days is frustrating, no one knows what they’re doing 😫
Recently there were some old school professional hair dressers on Twitter-X that said they were abandoned for the IG stylists. Because the IG stylists were seen as more trendy and modern. Now the "old school" women that are trained and licensed are saying that women are coming to them with huge amounts of hair loss looking for help. But the old school hair dressers are saying they've retired.
Here’s the issue, a lot of the new stylist aren’t going to hair school and getting a license so they missed out on the opportunity to actually build up customer service skills as well as professionalism. These things are taught in the curriculum. A huge part of being a good stylist is actually having good customer service skills that’s like the number one thing in this field, and also your ability to care for hair NOT just know how to do it. Also, the first thing you learn in school is how to wash and properly blow dry hair, so to have “stylist” not even incorporating that in the service is beyond me.
-a current cosmetology student 💁🏽♀️
That’s actually not it. I’ve learned how to do my own hair due to lack of goof customer service, and someone messing up my hair yet they had a license…. Something’s can’t be taught when it comes to having people skills. There are bad people in every profession. Even nurses and chef can have a bad attitude.
This is why I miss magezine culture. I miss how everything was in a magazine and not online.
I miss those hair magazines
We need to talk about how hairstyles now are only just a figment of the 90s-early 2000s, but lacking the SOUL that adults from those times had.
And they be AT HOME STYLISTS!
I am 29 and my stylist is 60 years old! She is the only one that saved my damaged hair! The frontals messed my real hair up so bad and she saved my brittle hair 🙌🏾
NOW, My hair is growing fast like corn in a corn field 😂😂😢
My stylist texted me she didn’t feel good 10 damn minutes before my appointment this past Saturday, and asked can I reschedule to the next Saturday. Now when I got sick with covid, that bih kept my damn deposit
What do you all think of this? It’s a New salon chain in North Texas called Pressed Roots (black owned from a sister who went to Harvard). They have a detangling policy of anything over 5 minutes of detangling, they start to charge $15 per 5 minutes of detangling. I told them this is a bias policy especially since this salon specializes in straightening natural hair and even more especially since type 4 hair is more prone to tangling up. Not cool! They have no customer service number and I can only email them and no one ever responded to my concern after 3 weeks! Totally rude and unprofessional! But what do y’all think?
We need to just start playing dirty and reporting these establishments to the business bureas or whoever regulates. By law, they need to adhere to and abide by laws and regulations in their respective states for a reason!
That’s wild af I wouldn’t visit that place. What type of nonsense is that. Smfh shut it down chile
Report them. That’s why a Complaint regulation and their license number must be posted within sight.
Wow and I just saw a Yotuber post a video of her salon visit with them. I thought they were getting it right, but clearly not.
No, some of these "hairstylists" need to be bashed and shamed, it is ridiculous. I'm lucky I found a good person to do my hair every month but some of my past experiences have left a horrible impression on me. I LOVED the intro...took me back!
Back when they were called "Beauticians" and actually cared for the health of their clients hair.
Why have I seen so many ladies talking about stylists sneaking relaxers into the conditioner when washing hair…. To the point where one mom brought her own products and stood over the stylist while her daughter got her hair washed. You should trust that they are ONLY giving you what you asked for.
Wow
Oh hellll no
Right. It's crazy. The hate for natural hair or disregard of people's request of only shampoo and condition- Not relaxers. I believe it. I think it happened to me. Curls weren't the same. A few straight pieces. The one time in years I decide to get a wash, silk, and trim. I started sweating and I'm smelling that familiar relaxer smell. Did she sneak chemical in my head or is it some heat damage? What's with these stylists? Oh and they always push naturals to get a relaxer or press their hair so it can be real pretty.
My stylist in high school tried to get me to just perm my leave out since I was wearing sew ins. I'm so glad I never did it! @@msch3891
Don't feel bad Queens, the barbers have lost their minds as well.
lol everyone bat shit crazy
This girl had me on Tik Tok live, no joke! Didn’t inform me. Just had it going on! I dont want strangers seeing me in the wash bowl! And when I noticed and dumbly asked “is that tik tok live?” She just turned my head and said “oh they can’t see your face “ like GIRL ! IDGAF ! I dont want to be filmed rn
That’s crazyyyy especially w out asking
Yeah... As an "Introverted Individual" with "Social Anxiety", Hairdressers often frowned upon me for not wanting to participate in taking photos & vids. It was so embarrassing! 😩
The problem is kitchen beauticians wanting quick money but having very little skills and no business sense!
Growing up in the 80s, 90s and up to 2007 I had this one hairstylist who did my mom and my hair and she was the best. She even did my hair for my wedding. She passed away from cancer in 2008 when I was pregnant with my first child and it was devastating because it was like losing a family member. I remember paying $20 for each serving and, if I wanted my hair relaxed it's $40 and box braids, $60. Now these hairstylists are ridiculous, I wanted my daughter's hair did for homecoming at her high school last year and she wanted the silk press and the salon charged $250 and I was like hell no! I ended up doing my daughter's hair myself and it turned out great regardless. I even do my own hair, just to save money and I cut my husband's hair.
250 dollars for a silk press is insane. RIP for your family hairstylist may she rest in peace
My prayers are with you and your Mom!! I cried when I lost mine!!!
The crazier thing is relaxers have been proven to cause cancer and oil sheen etc contain VOCs. My great grandmother was also a hairdresser and she passed from cancer. Maybe the new price is a shift differential for oncology risk
@@MrArtVein it’s definitely not that. Black women don’t make a peep about the dangers of all of those products and fumes. They are on a major bag chase to the point that it’s scary.
Things were not better back in the day, they just got worse. I stopped going to the salon before IG even existed because it was way too common for hairdressers to not respect your time. The longest i waited was 3 hours (i ended up just walking out). I only go for a trim now.
I just stopped getting my hair done all together rocking a ponytail for years. I refuse to be take disrespect from these “hairstylists”
I have not been to a salon on YEARS! Probably double digits now. Lol
So true. I started to get my hair done back in the 90s as a young girl. The stylists of the 80s and 90s were GOD GIVEN. They actually loved people and being a hair stylists. Now it seems like some stylists hate black women and it shows in their treatment of sistas. I have been blessed with an awesome hair Braider who doesn’t great work for a decent price and she’s quick! She doesn’t take all day to braid and she has a good friendly attitude. Good stylists are hard to find today. I know the struggle. Appreciate her if she is good.
As a white girl this is so shocking and heartbreaking to find out about. I feel as if every girl of every race can relate to having more hair chopped off than we want or just having some kind of hair horror story, but not washing your client’s hair? Isn’t that what hair stylists do first? Applying chemicals to your hair without your consent, braiding your hair so tight that it ends up damaging your hair instead of protecting it, it’s all very sickening to hear. My heart goes out to all you ladies ❤️
All do respect ma’am Yall white women prices be outrageous as well. I have a white stepmom and stepsister. They stop going to the salon
Weird
My mom is a hairstylist and I would help her in her salon. She was always washing the hair of clients, first thing. When she did my hair, that was also the first thing she did.
@Zeelee_1990 she didn't mention cost, just mistreatment. No one deserves to be mistreated.
It's because stylists have gotten comfortable with the fact that most Black women don't like/wear our natural hair. So they feel like they can charge and treat us however they choose. They don't want to be bothered. It's very sad all around.
Even the natural stylist are charging astronomical prices - at least in Houston they are.
We have to stop romanticizing the 90s and early 2000’s. As someone who is 44 years old, going to the salon in the 90s was traumatizing as well. It was an all day experience regardless if you wanted it to be or not. I’ll never forget having a 10am appointment for a weave and leaving the salon at night, about 9pm to only get home to a bumpy unattractive, too tight weave. Many of us left the BLK salons in favor of the Dominican salons because we got tired of spending 12 hours on our day off, waiting alongside 7 other women with the same 11am appointment. We got tired of the beauticians piling tons of hair products on our hair, frying our hair with that smoking Marcel iron, to leave the salon with a sticky, gummy, stiff hairstyle we didn’t ask for.
I don’t know about how it was during the 90s and 00s but yes! Thank you for your perspective. I don’t think it was necessarily peaches and cream back then either
@@branthlysauveur359 late millennials and Gen Z swears everything was better back then. We had our issues and struggles. The rise of the TH-cam stylist imo is due to Gen X growing tired of 90s and early 2000’s stylist antics but then we took TH-cam University too far lolol
And let's not forget about the 2 inch "trim" when you clearly asked for (and showed her) a 1/4 inch dusting. 🤬😡
@@enmodelife Lmaoo. The trim haircut was definitely a time 😩🤣
@@Whoisthatgirl-gj8uw wdym?? I know and heard of plenty of people who grew up in that time period and they even said the 90s and early 2000s was better. Yes, of course there were struggles but the culture was much better, everything went downhill after that. It’s not just the young generation. A lot of people from different generations have mention that many times.
Also, I’m sorry about your experience but like the original video said- the hair salon experience in the 90s were much better than todays time. Of course there were some bad hair salons, but overall it was all about community and quality service. Ever since social media came, it gave more women access to become “hairstylists” and just do anything their way.
Overcharging for natural hair, deposits, expensive prices, the deposit price not going towards the hairstyle price, ect. I learned how to do my own hair and kept it pushing.
I also live in NY, born and raised, and you’re so spot on. I refuse to go to any of these girls for my braids, I still only go to the Senegalese salons because while they might not be the most gentle, I know I won’t be charged more than $250 for anything, won’t have to leave a deposit, they won’t charge me random little fees for touching my hair or moving (!!!!)
These girls have disdain for their clients, feel so entitled to our money and operate with lots of anti blackness. Fees for 4C hair is anti black. Period.
THANK YOU!!!!! The last paragraph hits so hard
Man this just made me SO much more grateful that I loc’d my shit and learned to maintain it myself 😭
Salon prices without the salon experience.
I had a stylist cancel my appointment twice and when I was 3 minutes late she said I could not get my deposit back if I cancel, Well I just called the bank and canceled the deposit .
And, now they're charging the late fees based upon how late you cancel. For example, if you're 24 hours away from your appointment, that's 23% charge. Same day cancelations can be between 50-100% of the total of the booked style. I absolutely hate it! We should definitely learn to do our own beautiful hair! No matter our texture or length or color of our skin. Sounds delusional to me!
Some of these stylists don't want to show up, but want you to still pay them like they're a charity and not a business. 🙄 _I_ shouldn't have to pay when _you_ aren't the one who bothered to send a call, text, or email to request a reschedule. Finding a good hairdresser is like finding gold.
That's not even getting into the ones who steal pictures from other hairdressers and post them on social media as if they did the style. 🤦🏽♀️
@hope-cat4894 yes I agree, I'm about to try to learn all I can from TH-cam. I can do a lot and it looks good enough but not as uniformed as I would get at a salon. And I can't braid at alll lol
Im a man with dreads now and i hate having to get a retwist.. its only one girl in my area charging less than 250..and I always have to wait for her to finish even tho i booked and showed up on time,plus we in her apartment,and her kids are so loud and bad,she have to pause every couple minutes to yell at em...she do a good job,but the process is annoying
She put PERM in the CONDITIONER??!!! WHAT
I would have cried
I’m a salon baby . My mom was a 2000’s hairdresser ….& this stuff now I’d RIDICULOUS!! just do it on your own .learn
I know a Master Cosmetologist who's been licensed for over 40 years and helped shape hair styling as we know it today. She says the problem nowadays is not knowing the difference between a simple Stylist v Cosmetologist. Depending on the state, the latter is held to stricter regulations, longer schooling, a deeper knowledge of the craft, and must maintain more CEUs to broaden their education throughout the years. Going to a licensed cosmetologist is safer. Some of these Stylists want to make the same premium bucks by doing the minimum with less training and knowledge. Not all, but some.
My stylist says the same thing. If it’s a whole bunch of rules they’re usually unlicensed
I started doing my own hair exclusively over a year ago. I have locs. The cost of maintenance went up, I have to travel far, I have to give a deposit, pay for a “consultation”, and am expected to tip. I can’t do it as fancy but I now have control over the products, don’t have to drive, and save my $80 + tip monthly. When enough people skip the salon and do their own, perhaps it will get better. I can now save my $1,200 a year 🤷🏾♀️. That’s the new girl math.
Same! I started my locs years ago and I couldn't afford to get it done so I had to do research and now I know what products to not use and I can do my own retwist. While my parts are that neat, I am fine with them because I grew them out from fingertip length to down my back.
Spot on! And don't forget that most of them aren't even licensed. Ridiculous
It's crazy to see how the overall reputations of Salons in America has Tanked. Nothing but horror stories and negative connotation with it now. I remember being in the early 2000's and the idea of getting your nails done or hair layered was so fun. Now people associate salons with their worst nightmare. Instead of being pampered, you expect to be talked about badly by foreigners in another language, having all your hair cut off, all your hair burnt or bleached off by unlicensed teens cosplaying as hairdressers.
No one talks enough about all the filters these IG hair stylists put on their hair pics and videos to make the style look better than what it really is. Especially the lace installs. Talking about “melted” no it’s a “filter”.
In the 80's I paid $20.oo every two weeks for press and curls. Today I dare to style my own hair
Yeah I believe a press and curl in my area is between $50-$60 now.
I'm so glad to have grown up in the era where the hair salon was the place to be. It was such an experience and remember being in the salon watching my mom get her hair done. This whole thing with the stylist on social media really blew up during the pandemic but started when I was in college and the behavior and entitlement of these "stylists" are too much. I guess I'm a little old school because I would rather go to a salon and get my hair done by a licensed stylist than get one of these ppl off of social media.
Social Media is what happened smh
Exactly.. They want you to fund their "IG" image as a "boss" chick so they can stunt for the gram. You're funding their lifestyle.
I live in Japan and they treat my hair so gently. I have been to the salon in both Korea and Japan. Every time I would go to the new salon I would tell her I’m sorry that my hair is very thick and curly. And the hairstylist would just tell me. Oh no, don’t worry I’ll take care of you. It’s my job I don’t mind. And they would be so gentle when they would wash my hair and they would even use a brush if I asked them to use the brush.
My best experiences with salons have been with male hairstylist who were trained in Tokyo. They were very confident in doing my hair, whereas the one time I went to a female hairstylist Japan, she was very unsure and lacked confidence. However, she did take my advice as I was guiding her on how to do my hair. The one time I went to the salon in Korea, he had been trained in Tokyo, despite being in Korean. I don’t live in the city, but you can find the stylist all over Japan. They get trained in Tokyo and then they go back to their hometown and start a salon.
I'm lucky enough to still have an old-school licensed beautician. And she is very respectable ❤
When I was a junior stylist I remember asking one of my sew-in clients if they were ok half way through and she was shocked. I think being unlicensed and un-mentored is the problem. Having a foundation in professionalism and customer care is key.
I’m white so my experience is different but I have noticed many of the same things you mentioned. I used to get my hair done every 6 weeks and I stopped going over a year ago because the hair stylist I went to was being mentally abusive. She would say really degrading remarks like commenting on my clothing. The last time I went she burnt my scalp and blamed me. I actually think I have PTSD from that hair dresser.
Now I tone my hair myself and trim it myself. I truly am afraid to go to a hair dresser.
Dear gosh, that hair dresser sounds like she needs to be arrested. 😰
I don't think that's how you get ptsd
@@BagelBagelB1 PTSD can be caused by a variety of factors, including emotional/mental torment. Some people who were severely bullied have the condition.
@@BagelBagelB1well you’re not a licensed psychologist so it don’t really matter what you think
Your from Bad Girls Club!
I stopped going to the salons years ago, stopped in 2012. It’s been bad for a while. They are rude. Make you wait. Charge too much. Put chemicals in your hair you don’t want. Burn your scalp. I won’t take my daughter to a salon to protect her from this drama. Now to hear many people are not even licensed. Horrible! And my husband says barbers do similar things.
I keep my hair natural. Never had a perm. No braids or weaves. I can’t wait until trends change and all this fake nails, hair etc is out of fashion. I look forward to us black women enjoying our natural hair and looks!
My hairstylist is retiring this year and she has been doing my hair since I was 13 and my daughter’s hair for 14 years! I am panicking trying to find another hair stylist like her. She really cared about her clients and appreciated all black hair!
Good luck 🤞 A good hair stylist is hard to find. So many girls are rocking lacefronts and doing it by themselves for a reason.
I'm glad I'm not the only one baffled at these stylists taking deposits, keeping those deposits no matter what, and charging you for the haircut even if you end up not being able to show up. The main reason I believe they still do this is because they have a social media following that defends them and makes excuses for them.
Getting charged extra for long & thick hair is INSANE and normal for these times. Just tell me you're lazy & leave it at that. Oh and being late? Yep u get charged. But if they're late? They're just late. No discount, nothing. Smh
I'm 38 with 3 girls! I taught myself how to braid at age 11. My girls get their hair done by ME! They get their lashes and nails done by ME. I'VE GOT A 28 inch long afro stretched out and i was told it would be 350.00 to flat ironed! These people crazy
That's the jealousy tax.
The prices they charge are outrageous!! Especially when they tell you to bring your own hair and to have your hair washed and blowed dried, and it still cost like $400 and up. As well as the disrespect from these stylist. That’s why I’ve learned to do my hair at home.
To me the salon was another form of women bonding and coming together. I also feel the stylist actually LOVED doing hair. & will love it so much that depending on your circumstances they may do something for you free of charge. They damn sure would never charge you over $100.00 for a press and curl, blow out, touch up etc. (unless you were getting a certain hairstyle that will require extra hair & longer hours).Especially if they worked in the community where you know that’s not affordable for customers. Especially for single moms with daughters who need their hair done as well. One customer should not be paying your whole car note.& there was no such thing as a deposit . Just call & ask for availability. If you need to reschedule just say the word. Lastly, they would NEVER risk their license or business by telling you to come with your hair washed & blown out. A real professional will tell you that most customers look forward to the hair washing because it’s cathartic. Little do these current so called stylists know that is what really keeps your business thriving and growing. I hope we get back to it one day. Because today’s stylist are just doing it for the money.
Every time I see someone charging $300 for a sew-in or a ponytail I wonder how can anyone afford to get their hair done regularly nowadays. Ironically if these stylists charged more reasonable prices, their clients would see them a lot more often and they’d make more money!