my GF built her first gaming pc a few months ago with an intel bundle we got at microcenter. it pairs a 12600KF & 16GB ram with a 16GBvram a770. runs BG3 at 4k60fps (with fsr2 on) which was pretty surprising to me. All around great low/mid end build for $750 total looking forward to what intel does with battlemage.
Im the leaker from the article on wccfkek xD Expect 4070super perf at best for the 32xe2-core part and 4060ti at best for the 24xe2-core part. No higher then 32xe2 is planned. First will be G21(20/24core) -prolly end of this month. oct/nov G31(32core). Linux drivers are already done for battlemage since 2-3days ago. But i predict rtx4070(non-super) for 32core and under 4060ti for the lower parts. For RDNA4 expect ~7900xt performance with 4070ti RT (for 8800xtx) and around 7700xt performance for the 8600xt
Most people are not rich and even quite affluent ones are unwilling to spend too much money on luxuries. The community needs good low range/midrange cards that don´t break the bank. Nvidias cards are the best but you don´t get much performance at lower levels or you have to pay crazy money for an rtx 4090. I know that as an rtx 3090 owner. Still a very good card.
I guess I am going to be doing fine with a A770 16GB then. I don't really mind being slower than 2nd gen. I just hope that Battlemage could be more stable even with reduced specs. That's probably what they had learnt from Alchemist lineup. My A770 could play FFXVI Demo and Delta Force on Ultra so I doubt it's going to be depreciated anytime soon.
The one thing I’d like is a fix for idle power. The arc cards being hard locked at 40w is kinda annoying. I know there is a fix but it doesn’t work on all AIBs.
i'm waiting for amd's 8000 series cards and battlemage cards to decide which way i go.i know i'm going to upgrade just don't know if it's going to be amd or intel.
I would see if AMD will have a proper hardware accelerated AI based upscaler like that in the PS5 Pro. If not I would consider Intel if the price perf is better
You should really re-watch Intel videos in the last 2 weeks on the changes to the XE cores. There is some emulation being done on the XE cores vs XE2 core no more emulation. The stable defusion demo they showed was not 50% faster it was more like x4 faster.
@@SiliconSteak I have to make a correction I mixed up 4x which was the NPU for the GPU which was 2x and were in the 2 Stable defusion demos. Day-one compatibility is really the only thing anyone really cares about. If they get that part right and don't go crazy with pricing I think Intel will do just fine.
@@rons4182 Doesn't make any sense. they have to release a 16Gb card otherwise they would lose a lot of their AI customers then silence and crickets would fill Intel's AI Playground service.
Yo steak is memory bus width between two cards irrelevant if they both have the same memory bandwidth and vram amount? for example one card has a bigger memory bus and the other has faster memory to where they both have the exact same bandwidth...
For example a card like the 1080ti with slower gddr5x but a huge bus width has a memory bandwidth close to modern mid range cards. On die cache can mitigate less theoretical memory bandwidth, we have seen this with recent architectures.
@@colinmaharaj Great question. Intel will be building battlemage on TSMC 4nm (according to the leak). This is because their newest nodes with dense enough libraries for graphics (3nm and 18A) do not have a lot of capacity right now. They prioritize these nodes for their datacenter products that have much more margin and for selling to other interested buyers (like Microsoft) which will result in more profit than selling their own gpus.
didn't know they upgraded their fab so much. i hope it's competitive with tsmc because the way things are going with the world we might not have tsmc sometime in the future
Don't pay that price and Nvidia will either stop or look elsewhere. I see no value in a $500-$600 RTX4070 series. I went with an A770-16LE and could not be more happy. No crashes in game...no stuttering...no ream.
He has been saying that for a while now. There is no evidence of it. If Arc gets scrapped it will just be discrete cards and they will still make gpu tiles for mobile. Intel is definitely in need of some cash, and they are cutting a lot of programs so it could happen. But MLID just said in his latest video that Intel (Pat the CEO) scrapped royal core because people don’t need high performance cores, they just need cores to plug a gpu into. Basically Pat sees the value of gpus, so it doesn’t seem likely they will completely abandon it. Also drivers are pretty darn good for how new it is, they already did that which is the hardest part. My take: I could see them dipping out of discrete with celestial (next next gen) if the gpu market is still in a slump. It would still be in laptop, and they would still make data center gpus. Then they would reenter the discrete market when the time is more favorable. I think it’s like 60% they will make a c770 40% they won’t.
The problem with Arc GPUs isn't its hardware or specs, its the drivers it would take Intel years to perfect its drivers and be competitive even AMD to this day still struggle with its drivers every time a new game launch it has issues that's why NVIDIA still way ahead of AMD because games are guaranteed to work with NVIDIA cards and currently has the best drivers among all
I don't get why people always point out drivers It's good enough you wouldn't even know that the pc is running arc I have AMD CPU and Intel arc a770 16gb last problem I had like 6 month ago but 99.9% of games and other programs work perfectly They are working really hard on drivers to make the best experience They now started to do day one games drivers the drivers decision deserves a raise TBH Expirence was perfect Love my arc ❤
i honestly don't think nvidia has the best drivers at all. i think it's a chicken and egg situation. game devs optimize primarily for nvidia so nvidia has to do less work. but the huge overhead on their driver point to them not being really that good on their own merits.
im running an a770 right now and everything runs pretty smooth drivers wise... The only thing they really need to fix is VR support but since its such a niche market I doubt they are focusing on that .
Very true. This could just be marketing lies. AMD has proven to be totally ok with straight up lying about their products performance. I haven’t seen this to the same level from intel recently but it could change
Long-term drivers and support if Intel Arc loses money and Intel loses interest. Anyone remember the Intel740 and the Intel Larrabee project. Plus Battlemage will most likely not see the light of day until Nvidia release the RTX 5xxx GPUs and AMD have the RDNA4 GPUs. Yet, the Battlemage is roughly equal to Nvidia's current RTX 4070 Super graphic card. Too much speculation, which is great for TH-cam videos but vaporware for those looking to buy or plan ahead for the next build.
if this is the last hope, all hope has been lost intel will make this power hungry, with driver problems and will have some problem down the road because this is how intel is, not long after the project will be cancelled.
My take: arc is actually about to pay off. Lunar lake seemingly being able to have the GPU perf it has in the power envelope it uses is industry leading
@@SiliconSteak That may be true but it makes more economic sense for nvidia to just own massive AI farms that occasionally stream games. The Nvidia GeForce is destined to become a software service. Resistance is futile.
my GF built her first gaming pc a few months ago with an intel bundle we got at microcenter. it pairs a 12600KF & 16GB ram with a 16GBvram a770. runs BG3 at 4k60fps (with fsr2 on) which was pretty surprising to me. All around great low/mid end build for $750 total
looking forward to what intel does with battlemage.
Arc enthusiasts: Yay, a new GPU entrant in the market!
Intel: But are you gonna buy it?
Arc enthusiasts: Hell no! I just want the 5070 to be cheaper.
that is sad to hear
that b750 has potential to be a hero card
It needs to be configured with 16gb. I don’t want to see a 8gb version this time
@@SiliconSteak it's probably going to be 12 gb which is fine
@@hauntified9060 if it has a 256bit bus it’s either 8gb or 16gb with gddr6
@@SiliconSteak the leaks say it's going to be 192-bit
@@hauntified9060 maybe
Im the leaker from the article on wccfkek xD
Expect 4070super perf at best for the 32xe2-core part and 4060ti at best for the 24xe2-core part. No higher then 32xe2 is planned. First will be G21(20/24core) -prolly end of this month. oct/nov G31(32core). Linux drivers are already done for battlemage since 2-3days ago.
But i predict rtx4070(non-super) for 32core and under 4060ti for the lower parts.
For RDNA4 expect ~7900xt performance with 4070ti RT (for 8800xtx) and around 7700xt performance for the 8600xt
Interesting stuff. Would you be interested in talking on a discord call some time so I could get some more details?
early linux driver support is a huge plus to me
and what’s your source or credibility
I'm getting battlemage i have a a770 8gb and can't wait to upgrade
Intel arc glow up
Most people are not rich and even quite affluent ones are unwilling to spend too much money on luxuries. The community needs good low range/midrange cards that don´t break the bank. Nvidias cards are the best but you don´t get much performance at lower levels or you have to pay crazy money for an rtx 4090. I know that as an rtx 3090 owner. Still a very good card.
I guess I am going to be doing fine with a A770 16GB then. I don't really mind being slower than 2nd gen. I just hope that Battlemage could be more stable even with reduced specs. That's probably what they had learnt from Alchemist lineup. My A770 could play FFXVI Demo and Delta Force on Ultra so I doubt it's going to be depreciated anytime soon.
The one thing I’d like is a fix for idle power. The arc cards being hard locked at 40w is kinda annoying. I know there is a fix but it doesn’t work on all AIBs.
Price : Performance - Price : Performance - Price : Performance ---- THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS!!
i'm waiting for amd's 8000 series cards and battlemage cards to decide which way i go.i know i'm going to upgrade just don't know if it's going to be amd or intel.
I would see if AMD will have a proper hardware accelerated AI based upscaler like that in the PS5 Pro. If not I would consider Intel if the price perf is better
You should really re-watch Intel videos in the last 2 weeks on the changes to the XE cores. There is some emulation being done on the XE cores vs XE2 core no more emulation. The stable defusion demo they showed was not 50% faster it was more like x4 faster.
Interesting. So in AI battlemage could be a real banger. It seems like for gaming, the cards will be 50-60% faster though
@@SiliconSteak I have to make a correction I mixed up 4x which was the NPU for the GPU which was 2x and were in the 2 Stable defusion demos. Day-one compatibility is really the only thing anyone really cares about. If they get that part right and don't go crazy with pricing I think Intel will do just fine.
A580 is the best.
But, unfortunately it's not available worldwide.
We only have a750 and a380 in our country. Which is why i wait for the future arc.
Do not get fooled by high end gpus. Get a 6650xt for $200 it crushes 1080p!!!
Games are getting ugglier and ugglier, lets wait 2030 to change card xD. 4060 and 7600 are a bit expensive to be honest. Good vid.
Thats really all the devs fault....games looking like shit and running like shit.
B770 must have 16 GB of VRAM like the A770
for me to purchase
Looks like it will based on the leaks. 256bit bus, 16gb vram.
@@SiliconSteak I saw leaks that the 16 GB was cancelled.
Only 2 12 GB models coming.
Ya I saw that too. I just don’t believe it
@@rons4182 Doesn't make any sense. they have to release a 16Gb card otherwise they would lose a lot of their AI customers then silence and crickets would fill Intel's AI Playground service.
16gb was limited edition anyway i think that 12gb is fine
Battlemage and Core Ultra. This is how we win.
wait for royal core this generation of cpus is just a transitional generation
@@crabosity isnt royal core like 6 cores 24 threads
MLID said it’s cancelled, we will see…
@@crabosity Isn't ArrowLake's Lion cove Royal core?
Any word on a release date yet?
Suppose to be this year
Yo steak is memory bus width between two cards irrelevant if they both have the same memory bandwidth and vram amount? for example one card has a bigger memory bus and the other has faster memory to where they both have the exact same bandwidth...
Yes. Total memory bandwidth is what matters
For example a card like the 1080ti with slower gddr5x but a huge bus width has a memory bandwidth close to modern mid range cards. On die cache can mitigate less theoretical memory bandwidth, we have seen this with recent architectures.
@@SiliconSteak thanks for the clarification
i dont care if it competes agains anything aslong it give me great value and ofc is better than arc 770 i will get one
2:30 Doesn't Intel have their own upgraded fab? So (respectfully) why mention TSMC ?
@@colinmaharaj Great question. Intel will be building battlemage on TSMC 4nm (according to the leak). This is because their newest nodes with dense enough libraries for graphics (3nm and 18A) do not have a lot of capacity right now. They prioritize these nodes for their datacenter products that have much more margin and for selling to other interested buyers (like Microsoft) which will result in more profit than selling their own gpus.
didn't know they upgraded their fab so much. i hope it's competitive with tsmc because the way things are going with the world we might not have tsmc sometime in the future
i just wish gpu's went back to realistic and actually affordable prices. 700 for xx70 is not ok when it was always a 400 card
Don't pay that price and Nvidia will either stop or look elsewhere.
I see no value in a $500-$600 RTX4070 series.
I went with an A770-16LE and could not be more happy. No crashes in game...no stuttering...no ream.
@@Saabjock i went with a second had 3090 with a waterblock, after it decided to fry itself i went for a 3070 for 350
I think Battlemage is on hold and intel's CPU crisis is all hands on deck so I'm not as stoked as I was last year
Do you think this is likely the last we see of Arc GPUs? The rumors (mainly MLiD) are saying Intel GPU division has basically been scrapped.
He has been saying that for a while now. There is no evidence of it. If Arc gets scrapped it will just be discrete cards and they will still make gpu tiles for mobile.
Intel is definitely in need of some cash, and they are cutting a lot of programs so it could happen. But MLID just said in his latest video that Intel (Pat the CEO) scrapped royal core because people don’t need high performance cores, they just need cores to plug a gpu into.
Basically Pat sees the value of gpus, so it doesn’t seem likely they will completely abandon it. Also drivers are pretty darn good for how new it is, they already did that which is the hardest part.
My take: I could see them dipping out of discrete with celestial (next next gen) if the gpu market is still in a slump. It would still be in laptop, and they would still make data center gpus. Then they would reenter the discrete market when the time is more favorable. I think it’s like 60% they will make a c770 40% they won’t.
it makes SOME sense as these cards aren't much faster than strix halo promises to be.
The problem with Arc GPUs isn't its hardware or specs, its the drivers it would take Intel years to perfect its drivers and be competitive even AMD to this day still struggle with its drivers every time a new game launch it has issues that's why NVIDIA still way ahead of AMD because games are guaranteed to work with NVIDIA cards and currently has the best drivers among all
True. I believe they will get the drivers ironed out,It just takes time.
I don't get why people always point out drivers
It's good enough you wouldn't even know that the pc is running arc I have AMD CPU and Intel arc a770 16gb last problem I had like 6 month ago but 99.9% of games and other programs work perfectly
They are working really hard on drivers to make the best experience
They now started to do day one games drivers
the drivers decision deserves a raise TBH
Expirence was perfect
Love my arc ❤
i honestly don't think nvidia has the best drivers at all. i think it's a chicken and egg situation. game devs optimize primarily for nvidia so nvidia has to do less work. but the huge overhead on their driver point to them not being really that good on their own merits.
@@GraveUypo agree 100%
im running an a770 right now and everything runs pretty smooth drivers wise... The only thing they really need to fix is VR support but since its such a niche market I doubt they are focusing on that .
Even Battlemage can't save you from NVDIA rasing prices.
True for now…
Reading out official “leaked” numbers… Really? They say 50% and in reality you get 15%. That’s how gpu manufacturers operate (looking at you AMD!).
Very true. This could just be marketing lies. AMD has proven to be totally ok with straight up lying about their products performance. I haven’t seen this to the same level from intel recently but it could change
Devs dont even care about amd. All devs care about is making sure nvidia runs good bexause its like 90% of dgpu market.
Can’t polish a turd.
So how come games are running on amd gpu?
Good video.
Long-term drivers and support if Intel Arc loses money and Intel loses interest. Anyone remember the Intel740 and the Intel Larrabee project. Plus Battlemage will most likely not see the light of day until Nvidia release the RTX 5xxx GPUs and AMD have the RDNA4 GPUs. Yet, the Battlemage is roughly equal to Nvidia's current RTX 4070 Super graphic card. Too much speculation, which is great for TH-cam videos but vaporware for those looking to buy or plan ahead for the next build.
if this is the last hope, all hope has been lost
intel will make this power hungry, with driver problems and will have some problem down the road because this is how intel is, not long after the project will be cancelled.
Pat is killing Intel
Hey Intel! I think you dropped your drivers.
battlemuh
battlemage is never going anywhere. they've had years and can't even get close to a 3070/4060. wasting time with battlemage being a contender.
My take: arc is actually about to pay off. Lunar lake seemingly being able to have the GPU perf it has in the power envelope it uses is industry leading
why should intel compete i hope they will never do🥳
GPUs are stupid we should just let nvidia keep them and stream the games to us.
@@primarydataloop nah I’m good owning my own stuff. Native rendering will always have lower latency and just feel better
@primarydataloop Bro will own nothing and be happy but I like my stuff with me
Building a pc is awesome
Also games isnt everything you use a pc for
@@SiliconSteak That may be true but it makes more economic sense for nvidia to just own massive AI farms that occasionally stream games. The Nvidia GeForce is destined to become a software service. Resistance is futile.
@@primarydataloopif they stop selling cards to pull that stunt, then no ones using their stuff lol