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Levin: Idaho suspect Kohberger murder narrative is 'weird' | Banfield
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- TMZ executive producer Harvey Levin joins NewsNation's Ashleigh Banfield to discuss Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four college students in Idaho. Harvey says he's not doubting the evidence but he's also not convinced by the prosecutor's theories. "I'm not saying he didn't do it," Levin said on "Banfield." "I'm saying the circumstances are boldly weird here."
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How could we possibly know he's "never commited a violent crime"!?
There are criminal records that are available to the public. As far as we know, BK never got convicted for anything violent. At least, not as an adult. But if you research his background (what his high school mates say), you'll hear a lot of stuff about BK having violent tendencies. He was described as someone who acted physically aggressive often.
@@fyodor8008 There are only criminal records when there's a suspect who is arrested/convicted of a crime, public criminal records on people who got away with their crimes don't exist, for obvious reasons
The whole thing is weird. The surviving roommate’s behavior was the most baffling to me. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
All the layers of lying are what's weird.
The audio proves it out. Cleanberger is a set-up guy for the feds to buy time in the real investigation. There's a massive traffiking org. that got busted up in Washington state months later. All related.
I don't see why the surviving roommate's behavior is baffling. There's all sorts of things that could explain it.
@@fyodor8008So why didn’t we hear it. Oh we did she was in shock phase while texting other roommate. Children phone the police
@circus-music- because there is a gag order and they aren't allowed to speak about it maybe
@@user-zm9jo5ce3b I don’t believe it
it would be nice if the media stopped spreading misinformation about the case.
That's impossible. This case had media attention from day 0. That's how a high profile case works.
Maybe he unalived people before but was never caught.
That would surprise me. There's nothing to suggest BK did anything like that. He could have, sure. But I don't think so. Let me explain. I think if BK murdered before, he would have gotten caught already.
I'll grant that BK is smarter than the average killer, but he wasn't very smart about his crime. He took his own car to the scene. He took his phone with him. He looked at knives on Amazon. He left his knife sheath. The list goes on. For someone with a criminology Master's, he made a lot of rookie mistakes. Idiotic ones. So I don't think he was smart enough to get away with anything prior to these murders. Just my humble opinion.
@@fyodor8008 wasn't he taking drugs? i can imagine him, his mind being in a totally delusional yet logical state (even without drugs)
@fyodor8008 but you don't know if maddie was just his target. If so he didn't think kaylee would be there and in her bed . That throw the plan off . Then while trying to get out got caught by ethan or xana
@@user-zm9jo5ce3b Ya that's the theory of that book "When the Night Comes Falling" that BK was actually there for only one kill at first, and things got out of hand. I haven't found much evidence of this, although it doesn't sound implausible.
Tons of evidence?? Where??
His high school classmates remember him as a violent drug-addicted psycho. His car happens to match the description of the suspect's car. His phone records place him near the crime scene at the approximate time of the crime scene. He LITERALLY ADMITS TO DRIVING AROUND ALONE THAT NIGHT WITH NO ALIBI. His DNA was found on the sheath. It goes on. And guess what? That's only what we the public know about.
If you think that you, as a member of the public, are going to receive all the Ring camera footage and stuff, you're foolish. You'll only receive it if someone else decided to share it. And even then, you'll have to dig for it. It won't be given to you on a silver platter. If you wanna get some evidence, you gotta go dig it up. Use your internet skills. It's out there, I've seen it. I'd link it, but YT would delete my comment lol.
If you think you're entitled to all the video footage or something, you've got a pretty big head. You wouldn't have anywhere to even store it. From what little we've been given though, BK clearly did it. There was a time before BK was arrested when Moscow PD asked the internet for help solving this case. I was part of the effort to find Kohberger. The evidence against him is very real.
@@fyodor8008 bless your heart
Nothing strange about a murder being weird. This guy acts like this is the only murder he's ever heard of. Clearly he doesn't understand how a stalker can be consumed with their obsession.
also clear that you don't seem to understand that the suspect in custody DID NOT stalk the victims or house according to the state prosecutor Bill Thompson.
What is the point in your comment?
It’s not weird about a first timer. People do road rage with a clean record pull out their g.
There's a first time for everything.
Why is this guy saying knowing this and knowing that. Are you interviewing someone from TMZ. LOL
Please!!!..... Some pundit😢 opining on kohberger. Be not stupid! Keep an open mind ans let the jury decide. PERSONALLY, I could NOT SERVE ON THE JURY BECAUSE I THINK HE IS GUILTY. (PLEASE DO NOT CONTAMINATE THE JURY POOL WITH YOUR IDEAS. LET THE JURY HEAR ALL.
GOD HELP US ALL.
Ted Bundy attacked four girls sleeping in two different rooms of a sorority house. Two of them died, but the other two were saved by a car turning into the parking lot and shining its headlights into the room where they were being attacked. This spooked Bundy and he ran off. If not for that car, the other two would likely have been murdered, as well. Not saying Kohberger is guilty, just that it's possible to do something like this.
but this wasnt bundys first rodeo
Obviously it's fucking possible. The victims in the BK case were drunk after partying all evening.
Remember Richard Speck? If not google
@@jolynnmills9101 anyone who doubts that Bryan could have done it is wrong. He surely could have. The question is if he did.
But Ted Bundy had murdered before same manner.
Why not wait for all the actual facts to be revealed during the trial rather than spew all this conjecture? This is the kind of crap that causes a circus around a trial. I expect this from Harvey Levin, but I expect Ashley to do better.
It's too late. That book is a great example. I think whoever wrote When the Night Comes Falling might end up letting Kohberger go free.
Dear Harvey if you're reading this,
The circumstances aren't 'weird' like you're saying. Consider a couple basic facts of the case. The victims were all drunk, and possibly high. That explains why Kohberger had such an easy time with them -- not even Ethan could do anything. You try stopping a knife maniac when you're drunk and sleeping. Even if Ethan was a 300lb bodybuilder, I doubt he could have done much. The victims were simply caught by surprise. Nobody expects to be horribly murdered in their sleep. At least in USA.
Furthermore, everyone in the house was probably drunk. Dylan certainly was. That's why she passed out instead of calling 911. And these kids wouldn't have been alarmed at footsteps in the dead of night, or even scuffling. That's normal at a party house. If I lived there, I might have assumed the noise from the murders was like, rough sex or something. No, they didn't scream for help. Kinda hard to do when your throat and lungs have holes in em. Screaming would've been pointless. Besides, Bryan would have just killed whoever came to help. You'd be luring your friend to die by screaming.
So, we've established that Bryan could easily have accomplished what he did with a knife. He went in there with the mindset to murder. Kinda hard to stop a maniac who's already decided.
@@fyodor8008 thank you 🙏🏼 very much for your reply.
BANFIELD can never be neutral - which is her job. I agree with Harvey Levin.
No one is here because they're neutral. This is mostly a proberger thread btw. Most people here believe he's innocent.
you agree with harvey saying BK was stalking the victims even tho the state prosecutor says he was not? That's so interesting, delusional & insane.
@@user-ld2fl7vv9g State prosecutor might be saying that BK didn't stalk in order to keep the case simple. Maybe they just don't have the evidence/energy to definitively prove stalking. Although I maintain that BK is the type of creep who would be a stalker.
If they all had been drinking and they're passed out, its not possible?
Ethan and his girlfriend were awake when they were killed
I had to scroll past like 20 comments to finally find someone else who actually read the goddamn details of the case. Congrats, you're the first smart commenter I've encountered.
@@ghostwalk2446 They say that Ethan and his girlfriend were awakened by the noise or something. I haven't been able to confirm that claim btw. But if they were drunk, it wouldn't matter. When you're drunk, you're kind of halfway between sleeping and being awake. You're not really fully awake. That is to say, Ethan and his girlfriend were certainly not fully awake. Maybe they weren't quite fully asleep, but they would have been in a confused dazed stupor.
@@fyodor8008 Lmao You really don't need to explain the effects of alcohol as if it's my first day on planet Earth, although you're clearly speculating. Not sure who you mean by "they" but they're wrong, the murders happened between 4am and 4:25am, Ethan and his girl got a food delivery at 4 am, call it a "drunken stuper" all you want, they were clearly wide awake
@@ghostwalk2446 My sources say that the doordash order wasn't confirmed. That's speculation too. I guess that being drunk and ordering DoorDash can go hand in hand though. You can still use your phone drunk I guess.
Anything is possible. Just when I think something is not possible I've been proven wrong so...
so all evidence has shown BK is 100% innocent
Look at this goofball over here. You're just selectively perceiving. Bryan's car was identified as the suspect's car. He admits to being out on the roads that night driving. Cell tower data places him in the vicinity. He looked at knives on Amazon. His character references all portray him as an unstable psychopath. He had a fascination with criminology and the criminal mind. He had trouble working because he was a creep. He had no girlfriend, and was definitely an incel despite being fit and decently handsome. All the signs point to a psychopath incel killer.
You're an ostrich with your head in the sand. Just because you don't want to perceive it, doesn't mean it's not real.
what evidence?
Seriously?
He doesnt have to "buy the party house theory"... but thats exactly how it played out otherwise the 2 surviving roommates would have called 911 a lot earlier. Kohburger lucked out. Just because he had never commited a violent crime before, doesnt mean this couldnt have been his 1st one. If someone else had helped him, im sorry but kohburger isnt going to sit in jail and take the wrap for someone else. And besides... he is such a loner guy, who is cocky and full of himself, he is never going to think anyone else would be smart enough to help him comit this crime and keep their mouth shut, let alone meet someone in idaho in the couple months he was there and decide to trust them with his life enough in those few months... no way. He acted alone because he didnt have any real friends... he kept his true self hidden from others... aside from his anonymous online message board ramblings and FB "papa roger" ramblings. He just didnt take into account for the CCTV videos catching the car he was driving or leaving the knife sheith. Thats where he screwed up and the reason he is sitting in jail today. If it wasnt him... then why was he stalking them on social media long before this, driving to their house and stalking them on a dozen occasions, and then the night of their murders, he shuts his phone off conveinantly, drives to their house where video catches his car at the crime scene and then his dna is on the knife sheith. Im sorry but there is little evidence showing he DIDNT do it and much more showing he did.
He clearly acted alone. You're right that if he didn't act alone, he would have sold out his accomplice already.
Nope, Bill Thompson said no stalking by Bryan Kohberger.
And?
no matter which side you are, you have to ask why the state cannot produce any evidence after 1.5 yrs? 🤔
and why do the prosecutor beg for close hearings while the BK wants everything public? BK needs massive payout when he's freed
I love it how TH-cam is about to delete my comment about Federal spyware. That's basically the answer. The defense wants data gathered by unconstitutional spyware. It's a very smart play. I couldn't have done better myself as the defense attorney.
I literally explained it to you, and then you reported my comment and got it deleted. Sounds like you just don't wanna hear the truth.
None of the sus people around got interviewed, and the crime scene got demolished. Also, wouldn't you hear the screams? And no 911 call, either because she was partying or scared?
I'll explain all your questions. The "sus people around" did get interviewed. There was a phase of this whole thing before we knew that BK probably did it. Moscow PD literally asked the internet to help them hunt down who did it. The proof is on Reddit and... other sites... if you care to dig. I can't link it here because YT doesn't like that. At first, I recall that the cops thought the boyfriends did it. Basically, BK wasn't even close to the first person they suspected.
The crime scene was demolished by the college for two reasons: it helps with publicity *and* it spares Bryan the death penalty. They knew what they were doing when they tore the house down.
As for the screams, the victims were drunk and were caught off guard. And if you understand human anatomy, you can't really scream very loud if you've been stabbed. Trying to scream will just make you lose blood and oxygen faster.
The 911 call being delayed can be explained very easily. Dylan, like everyone else in the house, was drunk. She probably thought she had a nightmare, and went to sleep. If you're drunk enough, you wouldn't care if everyone in your house got murdered. Not until you sleep it off and sober up.
@@fyodor8008 thnx! May the guilty party be punished! I still have questions, but you really laid it out nicely. Not sure why the house mates were txting at that hour and when they did figure out people were stabbed, they called buddies instead of 911, Dylan was still alive. There were arguments at the party with roid rage guys, and the food truck footage still looks damn creepy. What about the guys right at the park on bodycam, a block from the house, in ill fitting clothes? Why no blood on Brian, did the housemates wash his clothes for him? Stabbing is bloody! The house was previously lived in by the now president, it was a known drug spot, and what did Maddie tell Adam? Note the police did not even bother to crime tape off the back yard...demolishing the house could also be to destroy evidence that could help BK. thnx.
@@RawOlympia Oh yeah, I forgot about the texts. They were texting each other. I guess they decided that it could wait until morning. There is an old Russian proverb:
"the morning is wiser than the evening".
Maybe it's actually better they didn't touch the crime scene until the morning. Idk.
The roid guys at the party, the truck guy, and others could have maybe done it. But none of them as far as we know drive a white Hyundai sedan, which was seen on camera speeding away from the scene. Additionally, if the police had reason to believe any of the jocks you mentioned did it, they would have acted on it.
I believe the people you mentioned must have either had alibis, or their cell phone records placed them far from the scene.
Finally, consider the bitter incel energy. A roided crazy jock does not sneak into your house and murder you with a knife. A crazy roided jock explodes on you as soon as you piss him off and breaks your neck in a fit of spontaneous roid rage. These murders were premeditated.
Random street thugs? They would have looted the house.
@@fyodor8008 I recall that Jack the ex drove a white Elantra that fit, if that is what we are going after. I still think there was no need of a car and where is all the blood? What DID Maddie tell Adam, for that is the last thing we hear...the house mate has both said she was in so much fear she could not call 911 to she was thinking they were just being noisy, I cannot get a clear handle on DM, I hear conflicting info coming from that one ... if the fear was so great ... then why the casual txts?
@@RawOlympia I think one of the first events in the case was they looked at all the exes and cleared them. Be assured that the exes were looked at way before Kohberger.
Where is the blood? It would have been on Kohberger's dark suit which he got rid of. He had plenty of time to clean up.
Did he need the car? Probably not. But he did use it. If he didn't use the car, someone would have been spotted on foot or on a bike nearby or something.
The excuse for not calling 911? Just an excuse. Probably better than publicly saying "I was way too trashed from liquor and drugs to do anything". Besides, what's the rush? It's not like you can bring your friends back at that point. Or maybe she really did just freeze in fear. It's known to happen.
People say all evidence against BK is debunked. Firstly, we haven’t had an actual trial yet. So you don’t know all the evidence. As for sketchy behavior, no one talks about, when BK was arrested at his parent’s house in the early morning hours, Bk was wearing latex gloves to go through the trash in the kitchen, gathering up items he may have touched, and on an earlier night, he was out in the middle of the night placing the trash bags in his neighbor’s garbage cans (and he had to walk some distance to get to the neighbor’s trash cans). Plenty of sketchy behavior by BK all through this whole episode.
Yeah I don't get it, everyone's already claiming he's innocent before we get all the facts
Exactly. BK's students reported him as being withdrawn after the murders. I even saw some footage of BK wearing latex gloves in a supermarket or something. Not to mention the guy's history. Go look what BK's high school classmates say. He clearly did it.
Yes and if you Followed the case from both sides You would know Bryan was a Strict Vegan, wouldn't even use the same pots & pans & utensils as his family because of cross contamination of meat/dairy products, Him wearing gloves to sort out the trash has already been proven He did this regularly.. because its actually a criminal offence in his parent's town to not correctly separate trash for recycling, it's already been stated it wasn't unusual for Bryan to put recycling items or trash in other neighbours bins at night... Nor is it uncommon for most people to do it, and Its certainly isn't uncommon to wear latex gloves to sort via trash i mean it stands to reason... You do realize Latex Gloves come in Boxes with 100's in them there as common as muck... Maybe Read the actual Court files from both sides on the docket.. or watch the actual hearings
@@DanStar87 If you've ever had a strict vegan friend in your life, they're annoying and antisocial. They won't go out to eat with you except their 2 favorite vegan places. The food there tastes good, but my body hates it. I never feel good after.
You act like BK would be the first """"vegan"""" knife murderer.
@@DanStar87 You're acting like BK would be the first vegan killer.
I'm sure the eyewitness will reassure the jury
They can't build the case around the testimony of a drunk eyewitness who saw him for one second in the dark and didn't call 911 for 8 hours. Eyewitness testimony is not going to help much. And if Dylan takes the stand, they're going to tear her apart on cross because she's not exactly the courtroom type.
As I've said in my other comment, this case can't be built around the eyewitness. If I was the prosecution, I wouldn't even have her testify.
What worked in BK's favor was 911 not being called when DM heard all the noises...
It doesn't matter. He didn't hide his tracks well. Only the dumbest most unhinged people believe he's innocent. The people reporting my comments and getting them deleted are probergers.
If they search, I am sure this crime was not his first time.
Was BK fired from his university job before or after the killings?
after
He was fired after the murders. But he had received a warning weeks or months earlier.
I heard on some podcast that he had a security job at a college (maybe Uni of Idaho) or something where he was 'kind of' fired (position terminated). They hired someone else almost immediately after "terminating Bryan's position" I guess. The podcast said this was done as a favor for Bryan so that he wouldn't get a bad record.
They were asleep and have been partying prior… nothing weird here.
they were NOT asleep
Revisit the runners!!
Whaaat? Prosecutor has publicly stated that bk did not stalk them!
Were gonna listen to the TMZ guy? 💀
I heard he was on drugs.
He was over a decade ago but got clean. No proof he was using at the time of the murders.
@@ambercarr250No proof he got clean either
His high school classmates talk about his drug addictions in high school. I think he got clean. Mostly, at least. But then again who knows. Like ghost said: no real proof he stopped.
@@ambercarr250 makes sense that he got clean. Would make it hard to get a PhD or at least care if too wrapped up in hard drugs.
If he was innocent then why did he not plead not guilty?
he did plead not guilty
@@fyodor8008no he did not, the judge made his plea for him because he stood silent
Exactly
what's really weird is harvy making commentary on this case. he has made a career of stalking celebrities into coinservatorships --- what is harvy doing in this?
Well that's the problem with your theory, you're not thinking like a killer!
You can't really think like a Kohberger unless you are a Kohberger. Everyone thinks they can get inside the psychotic mind, but it's like trying on a suit that doesn't fit. It doesn't fit for a reason. That suit isn't yours.
Why isn't anyone considering a cartel?? The current theory is not jiving well with me at all.
What kind of cartel?
Because Bryan isn't the cartel type. We might as well start talking about Satanic cultists in the woods or something.
It's not cartel turf. The methods aren't cartel methods. The victims had no ties to the underground. Nothing about this says cartel.
@@fyodor8008 really? It was a known drug house. With family members that are also involved in drugs some of which are currently or were in prison. I do believe that one of them had gotten a lesser sentence shortly before the murders. Do you know who druggies and drug dealers know??? 🤔. CARTELS 🙂
Kohberger killed as fast as a NASCAR driver. It’s possible.
Aaaaaand TH-cam deleted half my comments. That's how you know I'm right.
How bout we talk.about the people who were actually there? DYLAN mortensen and bethany funke?
Informant retaliation!
People seem to draw lines in the sand guilty or innocent , i try to be open minded and look at most things in my life using common sense and my 64 yrs of life experience ... Levin makes an excellent point , ive looked up everything i could find released publicly online ,and i didnt see any iron clad evidence he did this , i think a fair and impartial jury of his peers if there is such a thing anymore would find reasonable doubt pretty quickly it took me about 20 mins of reading and i thought if this is all they have the defense will blow holes through that stuff and he will be aquitted -
I'm a little better with Google than your average Joe, and I was able to find all sorts of evidence, public and private, to show that BK clearly did it. Starting with what his old high school classmates said about his character.
harvey never practiced law. He was a journalist always so saying he a lawyer is by virtue of degree a 40-50 year old degree
Dylan did it dude
Who cares
That's why I think who did this were inn we r circle f r iends or people they knew. That's why D. And BF weren't hurt
I was reading that theory during the initial phase of the investigation before BK was arrested. Some people even say that BK conspired with Dylan and stuff. He clearly didn't because he would have ratted her out already. What you say contradicts the evidence. No one close to their circle of friends had a motive to commit this brutal crime. Plus they weren't known as violent people. Just your average college partygoers.
The probergers are reporting my comments that say he's guilty. That's the same tactic they're using on the evidence. Dirty, cheap tricks. Doesn't matter though. He's still going to prison forever :)
Ok, but he had a history of viewing reality in a different way based on his own fantasy/delusion/perception. His interaction with people, situations, and the world in general was inflexible and based on internal thoughts independent from real outside input. Not being able to interact appropriately with women in social situations shows that he could not hide his disdain and utter inability to assess and adapt to the world. An intelligent person with any basic social skills can muster some modicum of friendliness to speak to a woman and have a pleasant interaction. He could not. This could explain his clumsy and illogical crime commission. He likely had a vision of how he would deftly do away with this woman or these women and right the wrongs committed against him. It seems like he has in inflated ago and sees himself as misunderstood and underappreciated. He seemed to be fulfilling a heroic fantasy. His planning failed to account for reality. IMO
It's easy to make up theories about what was going through BK's head. I'm here to say that we'll honestly never know unless he confesses. Just accept the fact that we'll never really know what went on inside the mind of someone so deranged.
Me and Harv are on the same page i think. I believe i know what hes thinking.
Psychopaths stick together
@@jjgreen5206 whatever. I've said from day one someone else had to be involved.
REPORT the video for misinformation