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I'm still not sure that Tales is actually in the same continuity as a 1-to-1 for events, and if it was, we'd be in the darkest timeline where the Novel Trilogy is the continuity of the newer games (HW to Secret of the Mimic) I'm not trying to be contrarian to the majority of the fandom with this. Seeing that we may have to consider Stitchline is in continuity as well (thanks Return to the Pit) man in room 1280 makes far more sense as an aftermath to Fourth Closet as opposed to FFPS/FNaF 6. If Henry wanted to end it all, I imagine he would've made sure nobody would come to the fire to even attempt things. GiBi's Horror Homestead (a channel I don't usually agree with btw) put out a video recently saying that just because we see a Tiger Rock plushie and Murray co. In game doesn't mean that Tales is automatically canon to the games, and he used other major media series that have adaptations that can be mostly faithful to their source with minor differences to back up that point. Final thoughts: Could MimicLine be in the games? To an extent, yes. Does it have to be one for one to the books? Not at all, it could deviate quite a bit in some aspects. I imagine if it was one for one, we'd need to rethink the Steel Wool era to be in line with the Silver Eyes novels (an idea that I've not seen a single person other than myself even consider as a very real possibility, but with more and more references and Frights simply making more sense as an aftermath to the novels (see the cursed Ella doll in 1:35am and Man in Room 1280 literally making more sense to be after 4th Closet) its possible that if TalesGames is real, then its more than just TalesGames. Its SteelWoolBooks (came up with that on the spot, but its essentially the theory that the Steel Wool era of games are in line with the Novels, Frights, and Tales, with the first 6-7 games being in universe games that were made sometime after 4th Closet and sometime during Frights. Remember they started building a mall around Freddy's before Silver Eyes, and that William had an underground Freddy's with a lake, and that You're the Band is a scrapped Frights Story and as such use of it to confirm the first 6-7 games actually happened should be taken with a grain of salt) Tl;Dr: I'm not being contrarian to the majority of the fandom saying Stitchline and Talesgames are happening just because I feel like it. I'm just stating what I think on the matter and providing an explaination as to why those thoughts even came to mind to begin with.
@@fenrisnox5766 I agree with you and it also seems like the newest ID's Fantasy's video does so just because some things are true doesn't mean we have to go full Kaiju Bunny.
@@fenrisnox5766 The novel trilogy has been confirmed by Scott to not be part of the games. This is a pointless line of thinking. Frights and Tales are in the games universe. The novels are not .
After having a chest literally grow gigantic teeth, then proceed to chomp and slurp me when I try and open it, I have Dark Souls 1 Mimics forever engrained in my head
I love the idea of Secret of the Mimic existing purely to tell theorists "Hey Dummies! Everyone is Dead! Their Souls are Gone! Everything is the Mimic! No more ghost children!"
not to be That Dummy but what if I want ghost children or at least a Haunted Pizzaria because that’s much spookier than like… poor programming? I don’t need them to be 80s children, the little voices in the wet floor sign bots were delightfully creepy! But without a motive I just don’t care about the Mimic, and I want to care about and ideally be frightened by the big bad. If the robots are going haywire because they’re detecting Murder And Malpractice (ideally by a human) it’s just vastly more compelling
@@tobysinbad This is actually why I don’t personally like the Mimic much. It’s fine as a one-off character, but with it becoming basically the sole focus of the series…it’s just not my favorite. I loved the “creepy pizzeria, probably haunted?” vibes of OG FNAF. I didn’t even mind Security Breach’s more bright and shiny take on the series. But when the big bad is just…an AI that’s gone wrong? It doesn’t even seem to have real motivations, desires, or a personality to make it interesting. It’s just “what if ChatGPT learned ‘bad things™️’” and now we’re dealing with a robot that’s *dangerous*, sure but just a copycat piece of code. It lacks a lot of the mystery and spookiness of the originals. It’s just…meh.
It's strange that people are saying that "It's like the novel trilogy" because like - The Novel Trilogy is a completely different universe - Tales from the Pizzaplex require ALL the GAMES to have happened in the story So why would this be the same as the trilogy? All the events of the games happened in Tales, which means the story is still the same as the one from the games.
@truegamer7760 yeah that's why I don't like the parallels and stand-ins arguments. I believe the Stitchwraith Stingers are canon, also because Into the Pit got a game and an Interactive novel.
One thing you didn't mention is that apparently in the game files the M.X.E.S ending is called " whocausedeverythig" I honestly don't know what it could mean but it's certainly interesting.
My theory is that the van is actually the same van that killed David Murray. His death basically indirectly caused The Mimic to start killing. But, anything is possible
I did think so too at first, but in the story it alway seemed like just a random van that happened to hit him so I'm not too sure if it would JUST HAPPEN to be the person who made MXES or something, but it's possible Scott could always do a "it's all connected" thing with it honestly 😅
For those who are saying this doesn’t solve the book debate, only that the stories relating to the Murray family are canon, I said this already but I just wanna put this here: Does it really matter? The whole Tales debate was centred around Edwin, David, and the Mimic. As much as some of the other stories might be cool, literally no one cares on whether or not Submechanophobia is canon or not. The only things that actually mattered were stories like Tiger Rock, The Mimic, The Storyteller, the epilogues and the various other stories that reference those events (alongside disconnected ones like Frailty or GGY, which are already obviously canon). What matters now is that Edwin and David, and along with them, those stories like Tiger Rock, the Storyteller and The Mimic thanks to the green and blue eyed Tiger plush, are now confirmed to be canon. Even *if* the other stories aren't canon, which is kind of pointless, who cares? They don't impact the games story substantially and thus weren't the subject of the debate.
I mean, it still doesn't make those stories fully confirmed just yet. Just that something similar happened to what was in the book story. Just like how the silver eyes has similar characters in it with similar or even the same names (such as william afton himself), but the events are different from game canon. The reason people are confused and have been confused with book canon=game canon, is that it hasn't been how the franchise does it previously, and it's not how most/all franchises do it. different forms of media have adaptations due to the limitations of those mediums generally. But if Steel Wool/Scott want to break convention, then that's fine and up to them. It just wont be confirmed in game canon until they show it to us in game.
@@picklepepper900 but sometimes we see consiquences of book events in games. For example mimic has springlock casing all around his leg. Springlock costume that stabbed him was shown in tftp and it was jester costume. Also we have GGY, indie developer storyline, signs of experiments in fnaf sl etc There are TOO many "coincedences" that are in fact the sign of tftp events. I would understand if this was a couple of small easter eggs but no. The whole game's environmental storytelling says that book's events DID happend
@picklepepper900 I mean, when you show off the Tiger plush, specifically with the green and blue eyes, in relation to the Mimic, there are a lot of implications: A) David Murray, alongside Edwin Murray, exist. This very likely means that the events of The Mimic short story and The Storyteller occur. B) The white tiger with blue and eyes persona of the Mimic exists. This very likely means that the events of the Storyteller and Tiger Rock occur. Those are the stories that matter to the discussion of whether or not Tales is canon because of the implications they have on the games. There's no point in adding the Tiger plushie with the multi-coloured eyes if not to link it to those stories, because it holds absolutely no significance without the context of those stories. Scott and Steel Wool are fully aware of the debate surrounding the Tales books. If they didn't want people to get the impression that these stories are crossing over into the games, they wouldn't include these references because of the implications they hold. This isn't simply a situation like The Silver Eyes, because there were very clear, pre-established contradictions between the two stories at the time. With Tales, the stories are actively weaving together. Like Hyper Droid said, by separating them, it's essentially creating two timelines with the same events.
@Blackjack_979 pretty much agree with you Honestly I don't see the point of denying talesgames. These people for no reasons just don't want to have book events in the games. I won't be wondered that they will continue denying talesgames even if Scott himself says that tales event did happend in game timeline
It bothers me that just because of Scott's lack of communication with the studio now everything regarding Burntrap is super confusing and every theory feels like a stretch. I think it's time to move on from his character and accept he was a mistake, he was never real and they as developers are trying to let go of it too
Something for the people who are commenting about why this isn’t true or how this still doesn’t prove anything somehow, here’s something for you all to chew on for a bit If a book series requires you to know basic knowledge only given by the games, and the games start using characters or details first given by the books with no obvious indicators that it’s different, it’s easier to just say the books are directly canon to the games So many of the stories require you to understand things that are only told to us through the games, the twist of GGY requires you to know about the character of Gregory to know the significance of the story, The Bobbiedots uses tons of areas, Items, and characters that are directly from the base SB game, and the Epilogues practically require you to know about the Burntrap ending to know anything about the area it takes place in and would make zero sense without it This isn’t even everything that needs game knowledge but some of the more notable ones The games starting to use stuff directly from these books like The mimic itself, Davids Tiger plushie, small references like GGY, and concepts like AR with the VANNI Mask just seems to point that these books are just plain canon to the games. VIP even making references to Tales and The Games seems to solidify this more as it’s part of the same series as the canon “The Week Before” book. If the games start connecting and lining up with so much of the books, why wouldn’t it just be canon? And you could say only Mimic Stories are canon or similar but not exact stuff happens in the games, but even then why say that when nothing in either the books or games push for that being the case? The reason books like the Charlie trilogy were obviously separate was because they had things that obviously couldn’t fit in the timeline or find reasons for being that way. Henry didn’t die before FNAF 1, a Mall wasn’t built around the FNAF 1 building, and the Puppet is possessed by Charlie unlike the novels. These and other things can’t fit directly for one reason or another since it directly contradicts stuff we know didn’t happen. The Tales books only give new information of things with fully contradicting things we know about, sure their can be inconsistencies, but nothing as majorly pointed out as in the Novel Trilogy, just minor mistakes in writing or different reasons like reconstruction on the building (which VIP confirmed to be the case, mentioning construction of the Daycare and Monty’s Golf from the games). End point being, if the books require knowledge from the games, and the Games are using info only from said books, why argue that they’re not canon at all?
Considering the fact that according to the trailer of SB, the Burntrap ending was supposed to be canon, I think that game was originally meant to set up the mimic arc, but since the entire story basically got lost in translation, I think Scott still had to show us the new story, so he turned to his other lore-communicating method, books. This is why these books are so important and lore-filled, unlike other books where you can just play the games and be fine.
It's not....THAT confusing? We now just know that the TFTP book stories are in the games timeline, and that the Mimic/Mimic1 are Burntrap/Glitchtrap. There.
Things I think. 1. Seeing how Help Wanted 2 is Supposedly the end of Glitchtrap I think it’s very likely that Tiger-Rock will take the Mantle of the new Modern Mimic Threat (we might even see a couple of the talesbook animatronics). 2. Ryetoast made a theory that Vanny herself was a Digital Consciousness made inside Vanessa’s mind that has now been removed from her Mind and put in the V•A•N•N•I Mask we use in both Help Wanted 2 and Ruin, and now that Cassie has the Mask Vanny might take her over (I also think Vanny and Tiger-Rock could possibly team up). 3. I think the Van could be 1 of 2 things. 1: the Van is the Van that Killed David in the Books. 2: the Van could be Henry and/or Edwin taking the M•X•E•S Console to the fnaf 6 Location. 4. I think theirs a 50/50% chance that during Secret of the Mimic rather than actually going back to 1979 we might play as someone who’s Exploring and Investigating what happened in 1979. 5. I personally believe that Jackie herself isn’t the Mimic but rather is either being Controlled by the Mimic1 Programming or the Actual Mimic Endo is gonna take Jackie’s Animatronic Suit/Shell and put it on as a way to hide itself and deceive us into thinking Jackie is the enemy (maybe the Real Jackie could be one of the very few Friendly Animatronics). 6. Seeing how the Mimic is in its costume that we only see it wear when achieving the Scooper Ending of Ruin could possibly be Implying that the Scooper Ending is Canon.
Well Henry is dead, so he couldn't take M.X.E.S to the sinkhole. The Mimic wasn't put under the Pizzaplex inside the FNAF 6 ruins until the Pizzaplex began being built.
Edwin exciting in the games doesn't mean the books are in the same continuity, especially considering the book continuity doesn't line up properly with the games, all it means is a version of him and his story exists in the games, something I'm sure secret of the mimic will showcase. Just because game events happen in the books doesn't mean book events happen in the games. Henry and Charlie were introduced to us in the books first, we wouldn't even have know those characters existed if it wasn't for those books, heck we only learn that Charlotte is the puppet in pizza sim.
@@RFDN0 True. Wasn't William's name also first revealed in the books as well? I think people are jumping the gun a bit. I have a feeling that more books will be adapted into the game canon, BUT will have details changed in order to properly lineup.
@RFDN0 we see her grave stone, and although it's far away we can tell it says Charlotte because the name takes up a lot of space on the grave stone. Henry is named in the HR223 thing and I think in the credits as well.
@TiredMoonRabbit only if Henry's name was in credits would that confirm the name. Otherwise, we have ideas which have never been proven and are ripe for the story writers to change for their own uses.
Hey, I just want to say of the bat, great theory. I've been loving your video. I do want to talk about the book continuity, though. I don't think seeing things from the books is enough to say they are in continuity, at least not 100% the same. If that was the case, Silver Eyes should be canon because Freddy exists in both. That's just not how it works. We have seen books be adapted to the game with Into the Pit, and they weren't 1 to 1 with the books. (Not here to discuss if that's game continuity. The point is it wasn't 1 to 1). There are also just blaint contradictions. Hippo Magnet, VIP contradicts Storyteller, Dittophobia isn't consistent with Sister Location, GGY just doesn't make sense with what we hear about Patient 46 or even Gregory in the games. Obviously, some of the book stuff is game continuity, but I don't think it's accurate to say it's 1 to 1. I think TalesReboot is more likely. Edit: The reason I bring up the Silver Eyes isn't to say it's canon. It clearly isn't canon. I'm bringing it up to show people how stupid the argument is "that because this character appears in the book and the game, they must be canon to each other." That argument is flawed.
Its like he says in the video, yes, Freddy is in the Silver Eyes, but Henry also dies before Afton is springlocked, which doesn't make sense in the game timeline. Tales has given us no definitive proof that it's not in the games timeline (that couldn't just be chopped up to the author not knowing the games perfectly and making small mistakes such as the dittophobia inconsistencies and the GGY stuff), but there are way more connections that support the idea of TalesGames. And this is coming from someone who didn't want to believe in it and is still totally against the idea. I think this is a step in the wrong direction and that there are better ways to tell a story than having a whole book series to explain the mess of a game you made, but I can't deny the connections anymore.
first of all, THANK YOU. second of all I'm confused on how any of these contradict the games: - Hippo Magnet is directly taken from Security Breach and references it by telling us how they mess up the machines - VIP does not contradict the Storyteller, if this has to do with the tree not being there it's already confirmed the tree got taken down after the events of the short story - Dittophobia (while not having anything to do with the Mimic-connected stories and so doesn't really have to be canon) from what I remember just shows us that there's other ways to move around the underground then just vents which we knew anyways from the game when we hear other technicians using doors to move Ballora around - GGY is just the Therapy Tapes but, again, and along with funnily enough Freddy in Space (with Gregory shooting the Therapy Discs) directly confirms he IS Patient 46 Also copy and paste from another reply because I've explained it IN this very video: This is incomparable to and nothing like the original Novel Trilogy with Henry, Charlie, William etc (which I ALSO already say this in this video) as they were CONFIRMED to not be canon to the games by Scott himself and have events completely different SO we know they're not canon, Henry dies before the first game even happens, William escapes being Springtrapped, Charlie is still around as a robot years later, and so much more that make it blantant they are different.
Lmaao imagine bring this disingenuous. Siler eyes isn't canon because it's a adaptation where herlie directly spring-loaded william and not ghost children. There is no reason for tales to not be canon
I honestly believe it still won’t be a 1 to 1 copy from the books directly, but will heavily follow the main story points! Not saying tales isn’t canon, but the games could go with a somewhat different approach. Love how much time you take in your videos! This update alone has made me very excited for Secret of The Mimic. Great video!!
I have a theory (more like an hypothesis really) that the HW2 teaser update actually has two teasers. The first was the SOTM and the other is a teaser for the game SW are making after SOTM (the game that Scott mentioned in the interview coming in the far future). The name of the puzzle is DoubleVision, meaning two of something. The two puzzles to me don’t feel the same. The M.X.E.S machine being here doesn’t strike me as it coming from the factory, rather than it being taken away from the Pizzaplex. You would think the machine would look fresh and clean but it’s the same model from RUIN. As a side note, i wonder how hard it was to not include 𝘵𝘩𝘦 song
I mean, we already have many confirmed instances of 'parallel, but with very similar key events/characters/themes" when it comes to previous books, especially the silver eyes series, so I don't think we should be so quick to brush off an established trend, especially one that Scott Cawthon is quoted confirming. The lack of Scott confirming a single timeline does not inherently disprove the idea, but I think until there's signifcantly solid evidence that the timelines are EXACTLY one and the same, we should continue going off confirmed quotes from Scott.
The only time it's happened is with the novel trilogy, which Scott made clear are not in canon with the games. That has never happened with Frights and Tales. The fandom just gaslit itself for years into believing there were a bunch of parallels when there weren't. It was just a straight up story connected to the games, which Scott said from the very beginning. He said some of the stories connect DIRECTLY TO THE GAMES, and some do not. Obviously, Sea Bonnies don't connect. But everything involving Andrew and William Afton? Yeah, they're in continuity with the games. And as such, the same holds true for Tales.
been going back and fourth on doing one for a while, I mainly just haven't because of these debates which have a lot of toxicity surrounding them, I only made this video on it because I truly believe it's been answered
17:17 to add to this further, ruin shows that mimic was trying to come off as friendly and helpful towards Cassie, whereas with Vanessa it was harsh and controlling. Maybe mimic is seen differently depending on who is affected? Maybe Gregory sees mimic as burntrap because Mimic was agressive towards Gregory, and Cassie sees mimic as Helpi because he was acting cute and cuddly. TLDR:: Mimic could possibly alter the way it is percieved in people's minds
Just because Henry Emily is a character in Fnaf 6 doesn’t mean the twisted eyes are canon. The books are not canon but elements can be carried over. Edwin Murray and the plush being in the books then into the games are nothing new
The novel trilogy is totally incompatible with the games since massive character deaths happen at different times and other significant characters or entities simply don’t exist. Scott has also confirmed they aren’t meant to be in the same continuity as the games. The tales books treat themselves as being “in the world of the newest games” and they directly build off the events of FFPS, whilst also setting up things that happen in security breach. They create no meaningful contradictions with the games aside from occasional design inconsistencies. There is a giant abyssal maw gap of a difference between the two, and they shouldn’t be compared to one another because they don’t work under the same logic.
@ unless Scott comes out and says the pizzaplex novels are canon we have no reason to believe they are canon. There’s no reason to think these are different. The inconsistencies are either meant to confirm a separation or are just errors which would be really disappointing
The story of Fnaf, from the ghosts of the children, the Afton family, and William's crimes, moves towards Mimic, Edwin, and... I feel like I don't like it. I feel like I like the past story more... Of course, this is just my opinion.
So if Glitchtrap isn’t connected to William at all, how do you explain the memory poppets? I am under the impression that Glitchtrap is the agony of William afton given life through the Mimic1 program when it either scanned a circuit board from the springtrap suit that was then taken by faz ent at the auction and later used as the suit in pressure and burntrap. Basically what the yellow rabbit from itp but instead equipped with A.I.
environmental story telling is one of my very favorite things to discover. i LOVE how much there is in security breach, and it probably one of the reasons why i loved it so deeply from the very beginning even with all of its flaws. there was something so satisfying about being able to roam around an actual freddy's location
I still don't think it necessarily means the books are canon. They could be, but I don't find the evidence compelling yet. It's like with Marvel, the Civil War comic book shares many similarities with the Civil War film. But the plot has major differences, so they are still two separate canons. We won't truly know until the game comes out and we see if any plot differences exist. At least, I hope we'll know then 😅
A little bit of him will always still be there. Well…. Not anymore since since the identity that the mimic used of him is gone. But it seems like the whole story is gonna come to an end soon and all we will have are probably the release of new books and movies to help us finally figure out the story which will be different for everyone😭
@@Mandalore_ultimate i do kinda agree but like i think he was better then the mimic i feel like it is way more fun to see the before ucn part of the timeline vids where William is still there then the post ucn part
Welp, guess I was wrong about the books being parallels to the games for Tales, I guess I can accept that the books are in the same universe as the games now, I have a lot to read now
I don’t think this is telling us that the books are games are in the same universe. Remember how Mr.Afton was revealed in the games universe but before it was in the books it was revealed? This is a situation where they still hold similar concepts and characters but it isn’t 1 to 1 the same universe.
This isn't like that Mr. Afton reveal at all though, the Tales from the Pizzaplex stories being in the game timeline are incomparable to the original Novel Trilogy being in the game timeline for many reasons - the biggest being that Scott himself confirmed that the Novel Trilogy weren't canon and made sure the story had plenty of differences to ensure that.
Use your logic for a second. Scott KNOWS the biggest debate in the community is whether the books are canon or not. Why would give us these hints NOW instead of waiting until the debate dies off?
"The series will launch with five books each containing three different short stories with unique characters and plot lines some connected directly to the games and some not." Scott said this in a steam post
Debatable, however I personally say because of the Into the Pit Game and connection to Tales with the "Frailty" story that they're in the game timeline too, but I still think Cassidy has a role in UCN etc
Because the mimic1 program was in some of the circuit boards scanned to make Help Wanted. So the whole "a rogue indie game developer" line was explaining that scanning and recreating THOSE games is what allowed the mimic to see all the literal games and what happens in them. Its a point that gets confusing because the meta nature of that part of the story is often overlooked and ignored since on the surface it seems like it's just a random joke but it actually explains how the mimic/mimic1 program learned about william and everything that happens in the first few games.
@latlequin1 i belive mimic1 also get effected by agony of chips while help wanted get making, he get info about games later he finish remaining parts himself so thats how he get know 1-6 lore, and how become glitchtrap
My theory as to Gregory drawing Burntrap in his comic (i.e. the fake endings), is that Gregory being a kid who plays games may very well have simply played FNAF 1/2/3/4/Sister Location. Since we know the first few games in the series exist in the story since they were made by a "rogue" indie dev. Gregory doesn't seem to remember his time as "GGY" when Security Breach starts, and has no idea who is behind everything (he never sees the Mimic during the game), thus having played the old FNAF games and knowing that the one behind all the suffering in those games is Afton. And since the last time you see Afton chronologically of the games the indie dev made is in 3 where he gets burned at the end while Scraptrap, Gregory would draw him as Burntrap. Also; it could be that from the in universe games, is where the Mimic got the idea for mimicking Afton.
Could someone explain to me why this isn't the case? I'm not deep into FNF theorizing so I just don't know. But, can't there be 2 timelines, with the main one being the books which is the story of whats going on in the FNAF world, and the 2nd being the story of the video games that were made in their world? Cause wasn't it established that there is a "real" world outside of the regular games? And there, the Fazbear company made those games to try to confuse ppl about the bad things they had done. So, the games they made were the same ones we played originally, FNAF 1-UCN or up to sister location I dunno. That would explain why there are 2 near identical timelines. The books take place in the "real" FNAF world, and maybe Security Breach/Ruin/the ballpit one. And the rest are in the FNAF game world that exists as the original games to us and the game's in the "real" FNAF world. It just seems to me that would solve the "which timeline is real" argument, but I don't know how it would conflict with anything else.
No. Help Wanted established that Fazbear Entertainment made a bunch of games to mock and coverup real life events. The real life events are the games we know. The fake games are similar to our games just as a canon excuse to get all the characters we know into one game, as confirmed by Scott. He wanted a bit of meta, and a bit of canon. The games we know are NOT the coverup games.
Nope. Steven Snodgrass made 3 games: fnaf 1, fnaf 2, fnaf 3. He died making fnaf 4, so mimic1 finished it as a mix of SL and FNaF 4 elements (because of Dittophobia). And then Pizza Sim was probably an actual pizzeria simulator. Tales explain this, while also going into Gregory's backstory, the truth behind SL and FNaF 4, and the origin of The Mimic
I'm still of the opinion that the books aren't 1:1 and that they will likely change details to fit the games more as they continue to adapt them. Like I think the Into the Pit game is THE definitive version of that story for the timeline. I'm also willing to bet that the backstory of Mimic, Murray, and Tiger Rock will all be modified as well.
Use your logic for a second. Scott KNOWS the biggest debate in the community is whether the books are canon or not. Why would give us these hints NOW instead of waiting until the debate dies off?
@FreyaTheFox I thought their brain would've developed and evolved by now, also hoped that their coping mechanism would be more tolerable since it's a year or two have passed since then. Oh, and I couldn't be more wrong about that.😭
I’m actually okay with having a cast of new characters be introduced for this new era of FNAF Because aside from all the convoluted writing and awkward narrative choices, my biggest gripe with FNAF was that all the lore needed to link back to the same people. Every single game/book had to link back to the original cast. Having someone new fixes so much of this jumbled up mess and helps us move on from the idea of “William and Henry made animatronics, but they also made like 1000 things in their free time” I’m exaggerating a little bit but do you see what I mean?
Question: Still thinking about Burntrap… if he is supposed to be a hallucination in Security Breach… why on earth we see his claw mark on the walls in Ruin? Or do you mean that he is hallucination in the whole ending in SB? And he physically was there… but just (as Scott wanted) didn’t move? And that’s all in Gregory’s head? Maybe Blob… existing and acting in both main line game and DLC… confuses me… sorry if the question looks strange. But I’m 100% agree with you that he is supposed to be mimics’ attempts to re-create what he knew about Afton. (And actually…. He has some flesh on him… 😂 is that mean that he tried to attach something that remained of Scraptrap 🤣🤣🤣)
He was supposed to be a hallucination, but that wasn't communicated to Steel Wool, so now he physically exists and is instead just Mimic wearing a Spring Bonnie suit. The corpse is probably just someone random
One potential answer for "The Blob" could be how in the Princess Quest HW1 minigame showcases "Glitchtrap" as something along the lines of what the books had with Agony Amalgamation. Where whether or not people believe Afton was or wasn't Burntrap... Afton's Agony is in there now and will likely try to take over that "body."
Just wsnted to say thanks for your Supreme guide! It cleared up a lot of my confusion and I've even managed to get a few friends interested now since your video is so easy to follow. Cheers!
I get your points about the books, and I agree that this update heavily skews the debate towards the Tales books truly being canon, but I still feel like it's not enough. Yes, we now know that Tiger Rock exists in the games, and we now know that Edwin also exists in the games, but are they the SAME Tiger Rock and Edwin from the books, or just other versions of them with similar stories? I mean, no one would argue that the MCU Tony Stark and the comics Tony Stark are the exact same character just because they happen to share name, powerset and major story beats. Again, this update gives a ton of supporting evidence for TalesGames, but there is still a possibility that Secret of the Mimic will show us events that parallel but don't exactly line up with the stories in the books. We already have precedents too with Into the Pit: the book version of the story is vastly different that the game version, and we're also about to get a potential third version in an upcoming interactive novel as well. So which version of this story is the "true" one? We still don't really know. So yes, I am now leaning more heavily towards TaleGames, but saying that it's "confirmed" it's still jumping too conclusions, at least for now.
The difference is that scott wrote both and theres literally carryover easter eggs in SB from the Tales. For them to be an AU would just be pointless and very stupid because it means we have two identical realities just because people don't want to read.
I can't argue against it. expecially now, but I really feel like it devalues the games making the books canon. It feels like security breach in it's entirety means even less than it did before, and all the little easter eggs are just... random? Like when Scott said "maybe everyone thought I just put in random m easter eggs this time- I didn't" Except he did that time. I also simply just liked John Fuhnafs version of how the mimic got to the pizza plex better, but that's just my opinion. Anyway do the books being canon de-canonize anything from he main games? I feel like it basically eliminates AR outside of being a character diagnosis for Vanny
@@lokimiguel2452 I feel like this is an inappropriate response considering how I didn't refute the findings in the slightest and just expressed my disliking of it while trying to ask for context.
15:00 this could imply that if, purple = william orange = mimic?? or it might just be because of the fire in the room but i think connecting orange to the mimic could lead to some interesting theories
the blob should been nicknamed "THING FREDDY." Another question I would ask whats the deal with THING Freddy. we see him in the ruin dlc, so whats his cannon isty?
As someone who was never convinced on Frights, specifically the Stitchwraith Stingers and its connected stories, being in the games' continuity, I must say that I was rather neutral regarding Tales. Then, ever since Ruin, I've always been open towards it being game-line. So having answers to the big question satisfies me. Speaking of Frights, the existence of Return to the Pit is yet another thing that makes me think the Frights books are their own continuity. I'll preface this with the fact that the book has been put onto shelves early in certain stores and has been leaked, though I won't spoil the exact details. To begin with, the most major part, the contents of the book contain details that make it greatly differ from both the original story and the game adaptation. Furthermore, it's in a series of games that are confirmed (The Week Before) or very likely (VIP connects to Tales) to be in the games' continuity. This means that Return to the Pit, an adaptation that is removed from the Stitchline, is likely the definitive version of the story. So in the same timeframe that TalesGames is seemingly confirmed, it looks as though StitchlineGames is put on thin ice. -Even thinner ice than before.-
I have a crazy thought. People are treating the mimic as something completely new as it comes in a new era of fnaf. As it originates earliest in the time line could it have some lore implications for other early fnaf events. My mind goes to this could the mimic be apart of mid night motorist? If the kid that runs away is crying child then could the reason that afton keeps him under watch be that he is concerned about the mimic. I have always been bugged by which kid is killed first by Afton as thematically it would be puppet and Henry say so but if midnight motorist is later that night then what’s the deal with the mystery animatronic. But if the mimic is active well before then could it be it.
90% of the stories in tales are connected to the mimic plot line. The other 10 are either stories that don’t contradict anything or connect in different ways
So im a bit confused, whats the current state of the situation? Vanny got separated from vanessa Vanessa and gregory are working togethether The mimic (endo) got separated from glitchtrap Glitchtrap (mimic program) and all of its influence is gone Cassy is stuck with the mimic Cassy has vanny implanted into her But what i didnt understand, did all the afton influence on the mimic leave with glitchtrap? Or does the mimic (endo) still know about the murders and everything?
Depends on how you look at it I suppose. Currently the discussion is on whether or not there was any of William actually there to begin with. Personally, there are elements in HW1 that could showcase there was at least a tiny bit left, such as the "entity" briefly seen in Princess Quest. (That weirdly looks like the Agony Amalgamation from the books) But I think one option that could at the first least "work" with the conflicting information that could support either is from Ooftroop's (Accurate FNAF Timeline guy) old video discussing the design elements of Burntrap. Which is simply this... Afton's head/remaining bits of him from the FNAF6 fire were combined with the Mimic's body, so the remaining agony started making it slowly grow back parts of Afton's actual body onto the body. With Afton's Agony post the Blob/Tangle grabbing Burntrap in the ending, most people believe is non canon despite the Blob/Tangle showing up in RUIN, likely going/taking over the Blob/Tangle's body. Basically (seemingly) redoing/setting up the game's version of the Agony Amalgamation from the books... which was also kind of hinted at in HW1.
So (if Burntrap was actually just Afton again) either Afton's Agony was still there (during it being Glitchtrap) or it started returning when Glitchtrap was added to the Burntrap/Mimic body.
If the Burntrap ending was 100% completely not canon, so Burntrap wasn't taken by the Blob/Mimic, there is another option to where the potential "Afton side" of Glitch/Burntrap ended up. In the HW2 "first ending" that ties directly into Ruin, it could imply while yes "Glitchtrap is gone" but Afton got out/into a new body.
@@honoramongscars649 hmm seems somewhat plausible Actually that gives me another question If burnedtrap was always just the mimic, then what happened to afton? He should still be rotting somewhere in an immortal state since agony keeps one alife and cant be removed until it becomes positive No wait, if that was the logic he should just be part of the blob with all the other agony related things So maybe one more thing which should be mentioned as important for the story is the may or may not afton-agony containing blob which is running around somewhere now (which also was shown to be hungry for the mimic in that one ending) So there is a chance of a very dangerous entity forming by the blob eating the mimic, which would have the inteligence and violence of the mimic combined with the tons of materials and large amounts of agony from the blob, which would be close to indestructable from the agony, yet also very adjustable to everything because of its mimic nature and tentacle like body
Is somebody who was on the opposing side of all three of these theories I’ve been convinced on the books being Canon but glitchtrap being the mimic. I’m still skeptical of. I personally believe William Afton used the mimic program to clone himself, and glitch trap is more of a hybrid and burn trap is the inverse, the mimic wearing William Afton’s corpse, the mimic pretending to be William Afton while William Afton pretends to be the mimic But you convinced me on 2/3 so good job
But why are we considering things from a spin-off racing game canon? And how does that car alone prove that afton was the yellow guy in midnight motorist? I know arcade theory is a thing. But even that is a HUGE stretch.
what if crackpot theory, everyone has been in a way correct because we both never got a last name and a first name, what if henry was never henry emily but henry murrey in the GAMES and had a son who died before charlotte (like how in the original fnaf books charlie "had" a brother who wasnt actually real), idk just an idea I thought of when it comes to everyones ideas both making sense but still being wrong but it allows the stories to all make sense
I want these events shown in the games. Until then, all I see are teasers for a similar or different story using the same characters and locations. We will see.
What if the orange William is William being controlled by glitch trap? And if that's a thing midnight motorist mini game might be a representation of dad's pov of "into the pit" ? Possible link there
All this means is there's a version of Tiger rock and Edwin, not that the books are canon. Even if they come out and say Edwin made the mimic that still doesn't mean the books are canon. William was first introduced in the books and later the games but him being in the books first didn't mean when he was revealed in the games the books became canon
Comparing Tales with the novel trilogy doesn't work at all. - The Novel Trilogy is a completely different universe - Tales from the Pizzaplex require ALL the GAMES to have happened in the story Tales from the Pizzaplex have the SAME STORY of the GAMES. It's not the same as the novel trilogy where NONE OF THE GAMES HAPPENED
@Starbear_Ent sure but my point was them having the same character does not make it the same story. The Star Wars EU requires all the movies to have happened and some of the movies and shows reference them but that doesn't mean they are canon. For example, the Clone Wars TV show is canon and in that TV show the Republic Commandos are shown on screen but the game in which the Republic Commandos originated isn't canon. There may be books with Tiger Rock and Edwin but that doesn't mean the Tiger Rock and Edwin in the games
@@JohnDoe-hj9fh *facepalm* The situations are not comparable. Star Wars, and Marvel, and every other thing people keep coming up with to cope about this are long running franchises with DIFFERENT writers over the course of many years. Everything in FNAF is coming from one dude. Every main idea. Every character. Every twist in the plot. There is zero reason to believe the books are not directly in continuity with the games, period. And certainly not because "Star Wars did a thing once". This isn't Star Wars.
Use your logic for a second. Scott KNOWS the biggest debate in the community is whether the books are canon or not. Why would give us these hints NOW instead of waiting until the debate dies off?
I actually feel like this new era is a lot simpler than the first/Scott's story, I think we have a very clear story right now from Help Wanted -> Help Wanted 2
Im fine with Tales being canon, but i would despise Frights being canon. Theres too many inconsistencies and baggage involved with the Stitchline for it to make any sense in the game timeline
Too late. It's canon. UCN makes it clear William killed Charlie, the MCI, and one other kid (doesn't really matter when he did). The Vengeful Spirit is also clearly not Golden Freddy, because he never once speaks through it, but rather chooses to speak through the Mediocre Melodies. Cassidy is in that nightmare for reasons unknown, but she presumably does not stay, leaving the VS to continue his thing. Contrary to popular belief, Andrew is not introduced in the books. He's introduced in a mainline game, UCN. He's just named in the book. Also, Tales directly connects to Frights in its very first story. So if you accept one, you kinda have to accept the other.
I'm not sold. The books are riddled with absolute rubbish. I mean, have you seen some of the stuff in them? I don't think Faz-Goo, Sea Bonnies, Felix the bloody shark and the Bobbiedox are actual things in the games. If you do, are you sure you're fine?
Fazgoo and sea bonnies are just random irrelevant stories Felix the shark is a shark animatronic from a scrapped story (no idea why you even brought that up) and the bobbiedots are ai assistants that aren't even in the pizzaplex
@latlequin1 Yeah, but the books have been like that. These are just some of the more outlandish I could think of off the top of my head. But the Fazbear's Fright series definitely has more of them, but the Pizza Plex also has them.
Sometimes the books are outlandish and stupid, but that doesn’t mean they’re not in the main timeline. Bad writing slips into franchises sometimes, that’s just how it is.
I never said I liked all the books and everything in them, personal opinion has no sway on evidence. The only thing I'm arguing is Tales from the Pizzaplex, which yes the Pizzaplex in Bobbiedots was changed to *match* Security Breach's Pizzaplex more accurately. Also Faz-Goo, Sea Bonnies, and Felix the Shark are not actually in the game timeline even if you believe that some of the Fazbear Frights are in the game timeline, those stories are completely irrelevant to the canon.
My thing is that Scott has always been pretty clear on older books they're meant to be parallels used for solving game lore without being game canon. That, and Bobbiedots has a HUGE game contradiction and the books themselves are full of publishing, illustration and description errors to the extent that it's nearly as bad as when Scott hired guys to make the lore guide and they basically knew nothing about FNAF. THAT'S how many mistakes and contradictions are in them. Plus Scott actually had very little to do with the books, basically just giving them guides on what he wanted vaguely as opposed to VIP which he had a heavy hand in. ATP i honestly think the books being directly canon would be lazy. Even the older books introduced characters, plots, lore and items that either appeared in older games or was used as lore, without the books being canon. To me in just makes no sense when Scott has made his books and film as parallels in universe, to specifically for this ONE series in particular that's dotted with publishing mistakes, make them canon.
Hyperdroid, do you think it was originally Henry, Edwin, and William or Edwin and William with Henry in the books being the fictional version of Edwin?
Edwin is just a worker for Fazbear Entertainment William and Henry are always the main founders, but there's a lot more workers in FazEnt then JUST William and Henry and we have known that since back in FNAF 2 where they mention contacting the "original owners"
I really like the Mimic and everything, but since Security Breach, the story has been so convoluted that I sometimes just dont care about the story, so hopefully, in the next couple years we move on from this story, unless they can prove that the issues with Security Breach won't happen again, then, i'd hope we see it continue to its true potential.
I forgot but can somebody tell me if it's stated what the mimic mimic that was too human like the only thing that I can think of is either somewhere somehow they saw it express some type of emotion genuinely or maybe it started acting like Afton or just questioning something it shouldn't have
Eu acredito que Glich Trap seja uma criatura de agonia e ambição, o meu ponto de vista é que quando as placas dos animatronics de fnaf 6 foi escaneados para o Help Wanted a agonia das carcaças foi parar no jogo (Conciderando que a agonia foi explicada nos "Fazbear Frigth's" que foram lançados depois de Help Wanted, faz sentido pensar nisso) Ai Glich Trap controla Vanessa, em paralelo a isso, acontece os eventos com o "mimic-01" se espalhando pelos sistemas do pizzaplex inteiros. O Gregory como GGY da a entender que ele estava a favor do Glich Trap, e de algum modo o Gregory estária tentando por o Glich Trap com o controle do Megapizzaplex, mas em algum momento Gregory se rebela contra o Glich Trap e tenta tirar ele do controle de Vanessa e do estabelecimento (Aqui seria os eventos do Jogo principal) Apos isso tudo, Gregory de algum modo controla o Virus do Glich Trap e faz ele virar o Mxes com o objetivo de aprisionar o Mimic (após isso seria os eventos da DLC) Essa Minha visão tem alguns problemas: 1. O porque o Gregory estaria ajudando o Glich Trap e o porque ele se rebelou? 2. O porque o Mxes é mostrado junto com a "Casa" que se refere ao "Secret of the Mimic"? 3. O porque o Gregory usaria o Mxes para impedir o Mimic ao invés de destruir-lo que nem ele fac com todos os animatronics no SB? (Um robo com o que dá a entender que tem + de 50 anos, não seria mais resistente do que os robos de ultima geração como os "Glamrock's" Algumas possiveis explicações seriam" 1. Talvez seja por conta da vanessa e de arrependimento. 2. Talvez seja só para lembrar do "Ruin" e o Mxes não faz referencia tão direta ao Secret of the mimic. 3. Talvez ele estaria usando o Mxes para o progama "Mimic-01" e só aproveitou 2 em 1 e usou o Mxes para a forma fisica do mimic também.
Well wh8le I think that Talesgames is truely confirmed I still think that Glitchtrap is a copy of mimic one that was infected with williams Agony and that Burntrap is still William. Yeah I know that there is this one clawmark in the mimics vent but that could be Burntrap travelling around without him being the mimic. Plus The Endos of them are semingly different despite the hand and Burntrap looks very fraggile. Plus the fact that he is a burned rabbit suit with a burned corpse in it in a location where a man inside a bunny suit was burned is just enough for me. And he looks like he needs the recharch station while the mimic doesnt. The only way I could see them being the same is that thas just how gregory sees the mimic because of mimic one or with other words gregory is hallucinating the suit and the corpse
Bro just because there is a tiger rock plush doesn’t mean everything happened 1 to 1. That’s like hearing “Mr afton” in sister locations intro and assuming that the entire silver eyes trilogy happened in the games timeline
What the dude meant was that scott only clarified about the original trilogy, everything else is canon since Scott said the books filled the blanks@@thechazz3230
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I'm still not sure that Tales is actually in the same continuity as a 1-to-1 for events, and if it was, we'd be in the darkest timeline where the Novel Trilogy is the continuity of the newer games (HW to Secret of the Mimic)
I'm not trying to be contrarian to the majority of the fandom with this. Seeing that we may have to consider Stitchline is in continuity as well (thanks Return to the Pit) man in room 1280 makes far more sense as an aftermath to Fourth Closet as opposed to FFPS/FNaF 6. If Henry wanted to end it all, I imagine he would've made sure nobody would come to the fire to even attempt things.
GiBi's Horror Homestead (a channel I don't usually agree with btw) put out a video recently saying that just because we see a Tiger Rock plushie and Murray co. In game doesn't mean that Tales is automatically canon to the games, and he used other major media series that have adaptations that can be mostly faithful to their source with minor differences to back up that point.
Final thoughts: Could MimicLine be in the games? To an extent, yes. Does it have to be one for one to the books? Not at all, it could deviate quite a bit in some aspects. I imagine if it was one for one, we'd need to rethink the Steel Wool era to be in line with the Silver Eyes novels (an idea that I've not seen a single person other than myself even consider as a very real possibility, but with more and more references and Frights simply making more sense as an aftermath to the novels (see the cursed Ella doll in 1:35am and Man in Room 1280 literally making more sense to be after 4th Closet) its possible that if TalesGames is real, then its more than just TalesGames. Its SteelWoolBooks (came up with that on the spot, but its essentially the theory that the Steel Wool era of games are in line with the Novels, Frights, and Tales, with the first 6-7 games being in universe games that were made sometime after 4th Closet and sometime during Frights. Remember they started building a mall around Freddy's before Silver Eyes, and that William had an underground Freddy's with a lake, and that You're the Band is a scrapped Frights Story and as such use of it to confirm the first 6-7 games actually happened should be taken with a grain of salt)
Tl;Dr: I'm not being contrarian to the majority of the fandom saying Stitchline and Talesgames are happening just because I feel like it. I'm just stating what I think on the matter and providing an explaination as to why those thoughts even came to mind to begin with.
@@fenrisnox5766 I agree with you and it also seems like the newest ID's Fantasy's video does so just because some things are true doesn't mean we have to go full Kaiju Bunny.
@@fenrisnox5766 The novel trilogy has been confirmed by Scott to not be part of the games. This is a pointless line of thinking. Frights and Tales are in the games universe. The novels are not .
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Fnaf has completely changed the meaning of the word "mimic" for me. When ever i hear that word i immediately think of Fnaf 😂
literally same it's exactly like remnant, I hear it and just think FNAF now
After having a chest literally grow gigantic teeth, then proceed to chomp and slurp me when I try and open it, I have Dark Souls 1 Mimics forever engrained in my head
I love the idea of Secret of the Mimic existing purely to tell theorists "Hey Dummies! Everyone is Dead! Their Souls are Gone! Everything is the Mimic! No more ghost children!"
not to be That Dummy but what if I want ghost children or at least a Haunted Pizzaria because that’s much spookier than like… poor programming?
I don’t need them to be 80s children, the little voices in the wet floor sign bots were delightfully creepy! But without a motive I just don’t care about the Mimic, and I want to care about and ideally be frightened by the big bad. If the robots are going haywire because they’re detecting Murder And Malpractice (ideally by a human) it’s just vastly more compelling
Minus Jake, he still stuck in the void.
@@tobysinbad This is actually why I don’t personally like the Mimic much. It’s fine as a one-off character, but with it becoming basically the sole focus of the series…it’s just not my favorite.
I loved the “creepy pizzeria, probably haunted?” vibes of OG FNAF. I didn’t even mind Security Breach’s more bright and shiny take on the series. But when the big bad is just…an AI that’s gone wrong? It doesn’t even seem to have real motivations, desires, or a personality to make it interesting. It’s just “what if ChatGPT learned ‘bad things™️’” and now we’re dealing with a robot that’s *dangerous*, sure but just a copycat piece of code.
It lacks a lot of the mystery and spookiness of the originals. It’s just…meh.
@@addisonrahn7984 couldn't have explained it better, exactly my thoughts
@@addisonrahn7984isn’t it implied it gained sentience making the artificial intelligence just regular intelligence?
It's strange that people are saying that "It's like the novel trilogy" because like
- The Novel Trilogy is a completely different universe
- Tales from the Pizzaplex require ALL the GAMES to have happened in the story
So why would this be the same as the trilogy? All the events of the games happened in Tales, which means the story is still the same as the one from the games.
This can also be applied to the fazbear frights.
@truegamer7760 yeah that's why I don't like the parallels and stand-ins arguments. I believe the Stitchwraith Stingers are canon, also because Into the Pit got a game and an Interactive novel.
One thing you didn't mention is that apparently in the game files the M.X.E.S ending is called " whocausedeverythig" I honestly don't know what it could mean but it's certainly interesting.
My theory is that the van is actually the same van that killed David Murray. His death basically indirectly caused The Mimic to start killing. But, anything is possible
I did think so too at first, but in the story it alway seemed like just a random van that happened to hit him so I'm not too sure if it would JUST HAPPEN to be the person who made MXES or something, but it's possible Scott could always do a "it's all connected" thing with it honestly 😅
That title gives me a bad feeling that the big twist is (insert everything that has gone wrong in the series) was because of William.
Mikeses caused everything
For those who are saying this doesn’t solve the book debate, only that the stories relating to the Murray family are canon, I said this already but I just wanna put this here: Does it really matter?
The whole Tales debate was centred around Edwin, David, and the Mimic. As much as some of the other stories might be cool, literally no one cares on whether or not Submechanophobia is canon or not. The only things that actually mattered were stories like Tiger Rock, The Mimic, The Storyteller, the epilogues and the various other stories that reference those events (alongside disconnected ones like Frailty or GGY, which are already obviously canon).
What matters now is that Edwin and David, and along with them, those stories like Tiger Rock, the Storyteller and The Mimic thanks to the green and blue eyed Tiger plush, are now confirmed to be canon. Even *if* the other stories aren't canon, which is kind of pointless, who cares? They don't impact the games story substantially and thus weren't the subject of the debate.
I hate frailty
I mean, it still doesn't make those stories fully confirmed just yet. Just that something similar happened to what was in the book story. Just like how the silver eyes has similar characters in it with similar or even the same names (such as william afton himself), but the events are different from game canon.
The reason people are confused and have been confused with book canon=game canon, is that it hasn't been how the franchise does it previously, and it's not how most/all franchises do it. different forms of media have adaptations due to the limitations of those mediums generally.
But if Steel Wool/Scott want to break convention, then that's fine and up to them. It just wont be confirmed in game canon until they show it to us in game.
@@picklepepper900 but sometimes we see consiquences of book events in games. For example mimic has springlock casing all around his leg. Springlock costume that stabbed him was shown in tftp and it was jester costume. Also we have GGY, indie developer storyline, signs of experiments in fnaf sl etc
There are TOO many "coincedences" that are in fact the sign of tftp events. I would understand if this was a couple of small easter eggs but no. The whole game's environmental storytelling says that book's events DID happend
@picklepepper900 I mean, when you show off the Tiger plush, specifically with the green and blue eyes, in relation to the Mimic, there are a lot of implications:
A) David Murray, alongside Edwin Murray, exist. This very likely means that the events of The Mimic short story and The Storyteller occur.
B) The white tiger with blue and eyes persona of the Mimic exists. This very likely means that the events of the Storyteller and Tiger Rock occur.
Those are the stories that matter to the discussion of whether or not Tales is canon because of the implications they have on the games. There's no point in adding the Tiger plushie with the multi-coloured eyes if not to link it to those stories, because it holds absolutely no significance without the context of those stories.
Scott and Steel Wool are fully aware of the debate surrounding the Tales books. If they didn't want people to get the impression that these stories are crossing over into the games, they wouldn't include these references because of the implications they hold.
This isn't simply a situation like The Silver Eyes, because there were very clear, pre-established contradictions between the two stories at the time. With Tales, the stories are actively weaving together. Like Hyper Droid said, by separating them, it's essentially creating two timelines with the same events.
@Blackjack_979 pretty much agree with you
Honestly I don't see the point of denying talesgames. These people for no reasons just don't want to have book events in the games. I won't be wondered that they will continue denying talesgames even if Scott himself says that tales event did happend in game timeline
It bothers me that just because of Scott's lack of communication with the studio now everything regarding Burntrap is super confusing and every theory feels like a stretch. I think it's time to move on from his character and accept he was a mistake, he was never real and they as developers are trying to let go of it too
Honestly... I think to "clear things up"; they could consider doing a "Director's Cut" to Security Breach in the future.
@honoramongscars649 I would absolutely love that, pretty please. It would be one of the best if not the best FNAF game
He looks like that cause agony why not
He’s definitely not a mistake. They doubled down with him in Ruin. There HAS to be an explanation for him.
@@turkeyman9914 agony
Something for the people who are commenting about why this isn’t true or how this still doesn’t prove anything somehow, here’s something for you all to chew on for a bit
If a book series requires you to know basic knowledge only given by the games, and the games start using characters or details first given by the books with no obvious indicators that it’s different, it’s easier to just say the books are directly canon to the games
So many of the stories require you to understand things that are only told to us through the games, the twist of GGY requires you to know about the character of Gregory to know the significance of the story, The Bobbiedots uses tons of areas, Items, and characters that are directly from the base SB game, and the Epilogues practically require you to know about the Burntrap ending to know anything about the area it takes place in and would make zero sense without it
This isn’t even everything that needs game knowledge but some of the more notable ones
The games starting to use stuff directly from these books like The mimic itself, Davids Tiger plushie, small references like GGY, and concepts like AR with the VANNI Mask just seems to point that these books are just plain canon to the games. VIP even making references to Tales and The Games seems to solidify this more as it’s part of the same series as the canon “The Week Before” book. If the games start connecting and lining up with so much of the books, why wouldn’t it just be canon?
And you could say only Mimic Stories are canon or similar but not exact stuff happens in the games, but even then why say that when nothing in either the books or games push for that being the case? The reason books like the Charlie trilogy were obviously separate was because they had things that obviously couldn’t fit in the timeline or find reasons for being that way. Henry didn’t die before FNAF 1, a Mall wasn’t built around the FNAF 1 building, and the Puppet is possessed by Charlie unlike the novels. These and other things can’t fit directly for one reason or another since it directly contradicts stuff we know didn’t happen. The Tales books only give new information of things with fully contradicting things we know about, sure their can be inconsistencies, but nothing as majorly pointed out as in the Novel Trilogy, just minor mistakes in writing or different reasons like reconstruction on the building (which VIP confirmed to be the case, mentioning construction of the Daycare and Monty’s Golf from the games).
End point being, if the books require knowledge from the games, and the Games are using info only from said books, why argue that they’re not canon at all?
Considering the fact that according to the trailer of SB, the Burntrap ending was supposed to be canon, I think that game was originally meant to set up the mimic arc, but since the entire story basically got lost in translation, I think Scott still had to show us the new story, so he turned to his other lore-communicating method, books. This is why these books are so important and lore-filled, unlike other books where you can just play the games and be fine.
Alright, I’ll say it if no one else will…
I AM SO LOST RIGHT NOW.
Here’s a map, take a map. Take a map
It's not....THAT confusing? We now just know that the TFTP book stories are in the games timeline, and that the Mimic/Mimic1 are Burntrap/Glitchtrap. There.
Tales gives more backstory on Mimic and the Pizzaplex. That's basically it
Things I think.
1. Seeing how Help Wanted 2 is Supposedly the end of Glitchtrap I think it’s very likely that Tiger-Rock will take the Mantle of the new Modern Mimic Threat (we might even see a couple of the talesbook animatronics).
2. Ryetoast made a theory that Vanny herself was a Digital Consciousness made inside Vanessa’s mind that has now been removed from her Mind and put in the V•A•N•N•I Mask we use in both Help Wanted 2 and Ruin, and now that Cassie has the Mask Vanny might take her over (I also think Vanny and Tiger-Rock could possibly team up).
3. I think the Van could be 1 of 2 things. 1: the Van is the Van that Killed David in the Books. 2: the Van could be Henry and/or Edwin taking the M•X•E•S Console to the fnaf 6 Location.
4. I think theirs a 50/50% chance that during Secret of the Mimic rather than actually going back to 1979 we might play as someone who’s Exploring and Investigating what happened in 1979.
5. I personally believe that Jackie herself isn’t the Mimic but rather is either being Controlled by the Mimic1 Programming or the Actual Mimic Endo is gonna take Jackie’s Animatronic Suit/Shell and put it on as a way to hide itself and deceive us into thinking Jackie is the enemy (maybe the Real Jackie could be one of the very few Friendly Animatronics).
6. Seeing how the Mimic is in its costume that we only see it wear when achieving the Scooper Ending of Ruin could possibly be Implying that the Scooper Ending is Canon.
Well Henry is dead, so he couldn't take M.X.E.S to the sinkhole. The Mimic wasn't put under the Pizzaplex inside the FNAF 6 ruins until the Pizzaplex began being built.
@@Joshchiveoh I meant like before he died, I can see it being either him - Edwin or perhaps an unknown 3rd party.
Edwin exciting in the games doesn't mean the books are in the same continuity, especially considering the book continuity doesn't line up properly with the games, all it means is a version of him and his story exists in the games, something I'm sure secret of the mimic will showcase.
Just because game events happen in the books doesn't mean book events happen in the games. Henry and Charlie were introduced to us in the books first, we wouldn't even have know those characters existed if it wasn't for those books, heck we only learn that Charlotte is the puppet in pizza sim.
We don't even have Henry and Charlie's name in the games so in theory they could be entirely different named characters.
@@RFDN0 True. Wasn't William's name also first revealed in the books as well? I think people are jumping the gun a bit. I have a feeling that more books will be adapted into the game canon, BUT will have details changed in order to properly lineup.
@RFDN0 we see her grave stone, and although it's far away we can tell it says Charlotte because the name takes up a lot of space on the grave stone. Henry is named in the HR223 thing and I think in the credits as well.
@TiredMoonRabbit only if Henry's name was in credits would that confirm the name. Otherwise, we have ideas which have never been proven and are ripe for the story writers to change for their own uses.
@@RFDN0 that is true, although I think HR223 being on Cassette man's computer is pretty good evidence.
You: All the events across the books and games are identical!
Me: Still wondering where the baobab tree went.
It's stated in Tiger Rock that the Storyteller was taken down
I hope the books arent while it would be interesting at the same time i shouldnt have to read a series to understand a games plot.
it's literally stated in the books itself (the tiger rocks story specifically) that the storyteller tree was removed after 3 weeks of existing
If you're wondering then you should probably read the books, because they explain where it went
Did you read the books? The tree was literally removed prior to the events of SB
Hey, I just want to say of the bat, great theory. I've been loving your video. I do want to talk about the book continuity, though.
I don't think seeing things from the books is enough to say they are in continuity, at least not 100% the same. If that was the case, Silver Eyes should be canon because Freddy exists in both. That's just not how it works.
We have seen books be adapted to the game with Into the Pit, and they weren't 1 to 1 with the books. (Not here to discuss if that's game continuity. The point is it wasn't 1 to 1).
There are also just blaint contradictions. Hippo Magnet, VIP contradicts Storyteller, Dittophobia isn't consistent with Sister Location, GGY just doesn't make sense with what we hear about Patient 46 or even Gregory in the games.
Obviously, some of the book stuff is game continuity, but I don't think it's accurate to say it's 1 to 1. I think TalesReboot is more likely.
Edit: The reason I bring up the Silver Eyes isn't to say it's canon. It clearly isn't canon. I'm bringing it up to show people how stupid the argument is "that because this character appears in the book and the game, they must be canon to each other." That argument is flawed.
Its like he says in the video, yes, Freddy is in the Silver Eyes, but Henry also dies before Afton is springlocked, which doesn't make sense in the game timeline. Tales has given us no definitive proof that it's not in the games timeline (that couldn't just be chopped up to the author not knowing the games perfectly and making small mistakes such as the dittophobia inconsistencies and the GGY stuff), but there are way more connections that support the idea of TalesGames. And this is coming from someone who didn't want to believe in it and is still totally against the idea. I think this is a step in the wrong direction and that there are better ways to tell a story than having a whole book series to explain the mess of a game you made, but I can't deny the connections anymore.
first of all, THANK YOU. second of all I'm confused on how any of these contradict the games:
- Hippo Magnet is directly taken from Security Breach and references it by telling us how they mess up the machines
- VIP does not contradict the Storyteller, if this has to do with the tree not being there it's already confirmed the tree got taken down after the events of the short story
- Dittophobia (while not having anything to do with the Mimic-connected stories and so doesn't really have to be canon) from what I remember just shows us that there's other ways to move around the underground then just vents which we knew anyways from the game when we hear other technicians using doors to move Ballora around
- GGY is just the Therapy Tapes but, again, and along with funnily enough Freddy in Space (with Gregory shooting the Therapy Discs) directly confirms he IS Patient 46
Also copy and paste from another reply because I've explained it IN this very video: This is incomparable to and nothing like the original Novel Trilogy with Henry, Charlie, William etc (which I ALSO already say this in this video) as they were CONFIRMED to not be canon to the games by Scott himself and have events completely different SO we know they're not canon, Henry dies before the first game even happens, William escapes being Springtrapped, Charlie is still around as a robot years later, and so much more that make it blantant they are different.
Lmaao imagine bring this disingenuous. Siler eyes isn't canon because it's a adaptation where herlie directly spring-loaded william and not ghost children. There is no reason for tales to not be canon
@@STRMAlien nah the books are great
@@lokimiguel2452 zombie pizza infection (or smth like that i cant remember) is now canon
I honestly believe it still won’t be a 1 to 1 copy from the books directly, but will heavily follow the main story points! Not saying tales isn’t canon, but the games could go with a somewhat different approach. Love how much time you take in your videos! This update alone has made me very excited for Secret of The Mimic. Great video!!
I have a theory (more like an hypothesis really) that the HW2 teaser update actually has two teasers. The first was the SOTM and the other is a teaser for the game SW are making after SOTM (the game that Scott mentioned in the interview coming in the far future). The name of the puzzle is DoubleVision, meaning two of something. The two puzzles to me don’t feel the same. The M.X.E.S machine being here doesn’t strike me as it coming from the factory, rather than it being taken away from the Pizzaplex. You would think the machine would look fresh and clean but it’s the same model from RUIN.
As a side note, i wonder how hard it was to not include 𝘵𝘩𝘦 song
I wonder if we'll actually play as Edwin in SOTM or at least meet him at the bare minimum
I am really hoping that we get to play as Edwin!!
Hyperdroid is shifting the paradigms of the FNAF community, along with others, and I'm all for it
@@SkinnyMood27 lmao they are canon so cope
0:43 A GAME THEORY
You're telling me that the Bobbiedots are canon?
Yep. That story is actually the reason we know that Sun and Moon were originally from a theatre!
I unironically like Bobbiedots
Yeah? There are no contradictions
They are literally just ai assistants in a building separate to the pizzaplex
I have no idea what the issue is
What’s the issue with that
I mean, we already have many confirmed instances of 'parallel, but with very similar key events/characters/themes" when it comes to previous books, especially the silver eyes series, so I don't think we should be so quick to brush off an established trend, especially one that Scott Cawthon is quoted confirming. The lack of Scott confirming a single timeline does not inherently disprove the idea, but I think until there's signifcantly solid evidence that the timelines are EXACTLY one and the same, we should continue going off confirmed quotes from Scott.
The only time it's happened is with the novel trilogy, which Scott made clear are not in canon with the games. That has never happened with Frights and Tales. The fandom just gaslit itself for years into believing there were a bunch of parallels when there weren't. It was just a straight up story connected to the games, which Scott said from the very beginning. He said some of the stories connect DIRECTLY TO THE GAMES, and some do not. Obviously, Sea Bonnies don't connect. But everything involving Andrew and William Afton? Yeah, they're in continuity with the games. And as such, the same holds true for Tales.
Loved this, but personally, i would love to have a massive Talesgames video.
been going back and fourth on doing one for a while, I mainly just haven't because of these debates which have a lot of toxicity surrounding them, I only made this video on it because I truly believe it's been answered
17:17 to add to this further, ruin shows that mimic was trying to come off as friendly and helpful towards Cassie, whereas with Vanessa it was harsh and controlling. Maybe mimic is seen differently depending on who is affected? Maybe Gregory sees mimic as burntrap because Mimic was agressive towards Gregory, and Cassie sees mimic as Helpi because he was acting cute and cuddly.
TLDR:: Mimic could possibly alter the way it is percieved in people's minds
some of the story is actually starting to make sense?
All of them are
Kinda in a way
Just because Henry Emily is a character in Fnaf 6 doesn’t mean the twisted eyes are canon. The books are not canon but elements can be carried over. Edwin Murray and the plush being in the books then into the games are nothing new
literally, this is like assuming the silver eyes is 100% canon cause SL confirmed springtraps name was William afton
The novel trilogy is totally incompatible with the games since massive character deaths happen at different times and other significant characters or entities simply don’t exist. Scott has also confirmed they aren’t meant to be in the same continuity as the games.
The tales books treat themselves as being “in the world of the newest games” and they directly build off the events of FFPS, whilst also setting up things that happen in security breach. They create no meaningful contradictions with the games aside from occasional design inconsistencies.
There is a giant abyssal maw gap of a difference between the two, and they shouldn’t be compared to one another because they don’t work under the same logic.
@ unless Scott comes out and says the pizzaplex novels are canon we have no reason to believe they are canon. There’s no reason to think these are different. The inconsistencies are either meant to confirm a separation or are just errors which would be really disappointing
@@vice166silver eyes doesn’t act like it’s a prequel to sister location.
@@VideoG23has Scott said any of the games after FNaF 1 are canon? No. Are you gonna wait for him to say so? No.
The story of Fnaf, from the ghosts of the children, the Afton family, and William's crimes, moves towards Mimic, Edwin, and... I feel like I don't like it. I feel like I like the past story more... Of course, this is just my opinion.
So if Glitchtrap isn’t connected to William at all, how do you explain the memory poppets? I am under the impression that Glitchtrap is the agony of William afton given life through the Mimic1 program when it either scanned a circuit board from the springtrap suit that was then taken by faz ent at the auction and later used as the suit in pressure and burntrap. Basically what the yellow rabbit from itp but instead equipped with A.I.
The memories come from the information on William that Glitchtrap is mimicking
doesn't the mimic just mimic actions not personality
environmental story telling is one of my very favorite things to discover. i LOVE how much there is in security breach, and it probably one of the reasons why i loved it so deeply from the very beginning even with all of its flaws. there was something so satisfying about being able to roam around an actual freddy's location
So basically to sum it all up: glitchtrap is just the mimic1 program's reincarnation of william.
Basically, yeah
pretty much, I like Mystic Hippo's way of looking at it, it's a performance
The only thing that I want to say is that I think that some books are canon while others aren't.
YES CLASSIC FNAF THEORIZING
COUNTING PHALANGES
THIS is huge.
it can not be understated how HUGE this is.
Huge
I saw fnaf with green text and thought it was game theory.
Great video, btw
William Afton's fans have disliked this video because he doesn't return anymore, just trapped in hell by Cassidy.
No, he's dead and in actual Hell now. UCN is not Hell, and was not controlled by Cassidy.
I still don't think it necessarily means the books are canon. They could be, but I don't find the evidence compelling yet. It's like with Marvel, the Civil War comic book shares many similarities with the Civil War film. But the plot has major differences, so they are still two separate canons. We won't truly know until the game comes out and we see if any plot differences exist. At least, I hope we'll know then 😅
Stop being disingenuous and comparing a adaption tk short stories. You don't have evidence that it isn't canon
The games looks and feels like LIVE ACTION of the books/novels now hahaha
Ruin itself literally felt like a Tales from the Pizzaplex story
Anyone notice Ruin can also be read as: R U IN?
Now i want William to come back 😭
A little bit of him will always still be there. Well…. Not anymore since since the identity that the mimic used of him is gone. But it seems like the whole story is gonna come to an end soon and all we will have are probably the release of new books and movies to help us finally figure out the story which will be different for everyone😭
No William's fate in UCN is perfect
Not the comment I was Expecting
But as he always says
He always comes back
@@Mandalore_ultimate I absolutely agree! I’m trying to help people cope OK!
@@Mandalore_ultimate i do kinda agree but like i think he was better then the mimic i feel like it is way more fun to see the before ucn part of the timeline vids where William is still there then the post ucn part
How are you not gonna bring up the evidence from Jackie’s Box?
Welp, guess I was wrong about the books being parallels to the games for Tales, I guess I can accept that the books are in the same universe as the games now, I have a lot to read now
I don’t think this is telling us that the books are games are in the same universe. Remember how Mr.Afton was revealed in the games universe but before it was in the books it was revealed? This is a situation where they still hold similar concepts and characters but it isn’t 1 to 1 the same universe.
This isn't like that Mr. Afton reveal at all though, the Tales from the Pizzaplex stories being in the game timeline are incomparable to the original Novel Trilogy being in the game timeline for many reasons - the biggest being that Scott himself confirmed that the Novel Trilogy weren't canon and made sure the story had plenty of differences to ensure that.
Use your logic for a second. Scott KNOWS the biggest debate in the community is whether the books are canon or not. Why would give us these hints NOW instead of waiting until the debate dies off?
But what about the Fazbear Frights Books?
I think Scot said they aren't canon but never said anything about the books to come.
Still debatable. I think they're canon to the games despite the minor contradictions
I think it'd be safe to say Return to the Pit is the only undeniably canon Fazbear Frights story thus far.
"The series will launch with five books each containing three different short stories with unique characters and plot lines some connected directly to the games and some not."
Scott said this in a steam post
Debatable, however I personally say because of the Into the Pit Game and connection to Tales with the "Frailty" story that they're in the game timeline too, but I still think Cassidy has a role in UCN etc
2:39 RIP David
a moment of silence for David 😔
Only thing i confused is, how mimic know mci, puppet, and how kids killed?, how he learn about afton this much if afton's body not even exist?
Because the Mimic1 program was used to make Help Wanted, that's what the circuit boards mentioned by Tape Girl are
Because the mimic1 program was in some of the circuit boards scanned to make Help Wanted. So the whole "a rogue indie game developer" line was explaining that scanning and recreating THOSE games is what allowed the mimic to see all the literal games and what happens in them. Its a point that gets confusing because the meta nature of that part of the story is often overlooked and ignored since on the surface it seems like it's just a random joke but it actually explains how the mimic/mimic1 program learned about william and everything that happens in the first few games.
@latlequin1 i belive mimic1 also get effected by agony of chips while help wanted get making, he get info about games later he finish remaining parts himself so thats how he get know 1-6 lore, and how become glitchtrap
Awesome!
This bout to be lit, also what’s up Droidy boy?
He was never meant to move like he was a costume.
My theory as to Gregory drawing Burntrap in his comic (i.e. the fake endings), is that Gregory being a kid who plays games may very well have simply played FNAF 1/2/3/4/Sister Location. Since we know the first few games in the series exist in the story since they were made by a "rogue" indie dev. Gregory doesn't seem to remember his time as "GGY" when Security Breach starts, and has no idea who is behind everything (he never sees the Mimic during the game), thus having played the old FNAF games and knowing that the one behind all the suffering in those games is Afton. And since the last time you see Afton chronologically of the games the indie dev made is in 3 where he gets burned at the end while Scraptrap, Gregory would draw him as Burntrap.
Also; it could be that from the in universe games, is where the Mimic got the idea for mimicking Afton.
Do you think Cassidy could still be TOYSHK. Especially with the RTTP leaks?
Another great vid!
Could someone explain to me why this isn't the case? I'm not deep into FNF theorizing so I just don't know. But, can't there be 2 timelines, with the main one being the books which is the story of whats going on in the FNAF world, and the 2nd being the story of the video games that were made in their world?
Cause wasn't it established that there is a "real" world outside of the regular games? And there, the Fazbear company made those games to try to confuse ppl about the bad things they had done. So, the games they made were the same ones we played originally, FNAF 1-UCN or up to sister location I dunno. That would explain why there are 2 near identical timelines. The books take place in the "real" FNAF world, and maybe Security Breach/Ruin/the ballpit one. And the rest are in the FNAF game world that exists as the original games to us and the game's in the "real" FNAF world. It just seems to me that would solve the "which timeline is real" argument, but I don't know how it would conflict with anything else.
No. Help Wanted established that Fazbear Entertainment made a bunch of games to mock and coverup real life events. The real life events are the games we know. The fake games are similar to our games just as a canon excuse to get all the characters we know into one game, as confirmed by Scott. He wanted a bit of meta, and a bit of canon. The games we know are NOT the coverup games.
Nope. Steven Snodgrass made 3 games: fnaf 1, fnaf 2, fnaf 3. He died making fnaf 4, so mimic1 finished it as a mix of SL and FNaF 4 elements (because of Dittophobia). And then Pizza Sim was probably an actual pizzeria simulator.
Tales explain this, while also going into Gregory's backstory, the truth behind SL and FNaF 4, and the origin of The Mimic
Years from now, internet historians are gonna be a thing with an entire focus on FNAF
I'm still of the opinion that the books aren't 1:1 and that they will likely change details to fit the games more as they continue to adapt them. Like I think the Into the Pit game is THE definitive version of that story for the timeline. I'm also willing to bet that the backstory of Mimic, Murray, and Tiger Rock will all be modified as well.
They wre 1:1 there are literally no contradictions needed to be changed and they don't need to be adapted
You have to be extremely disingenuous a book can be canon only it's adapted into a game
Ah yes only media you can easily consume through markplier are canon lol
Use your logic for a second. Scott KNOWS the biggest debate in the community is whether the books are canon or not. Why would give us these hints NOW instead of waiting until the debate dies off?
@turkeyman9914 lmao when is he supposed the debate dies off?
And now people are trying to say Edwin and Henry are the same person. Oh, FNaF fans, never change.😑
people have been saying that since Edwin was introduced 😭
@FreyaTheFox I thought their brain would've developed and evolved by now, also hoped that their coping mechanism would be more tolerable since it's a year or two have passed since then. Oh, and I couldn't be more wrong about that.😭
Good news: the Tales of the Pizzaplex books are confirmed to be canon
Bad news: the Tales of the Pizzaplex books are confirmed to be canon
I’m actually okay with having a cast of new characters be introduced for this new era of FNAF
Because aside from all the convoluted writing and awkward narrative choices, my biggest gripe with FNAF was that all the lore needed to link back to the same people.
Every single game/book had to link back to the original cast.
Having someone new fixes so much of this jumbled up mess and helps us move on from the idea of “William and Henry made animatronics, but they also made like 1000 things in their free time”
I’m exaggerating a little bit but do you see what I mean?
Underscore was right
5:05 This even looks like the bottom of Mr. Hugs!
Question: Still thinking about Burntrap… if he is supposed to be a hallucination in Security Breach… why on earth we see his claw mark on the walls in Ruin? Or do you mean that he is hallucination in the whole ending in SB? And he physically was there… but just (as Scott wanted) didn’t move? And that’s all in Gregory’s head? Maybe Blob… existing and acting in both main line game and DLC… confuses me… sorry if the question looks strange. But I’m 100% agree with you that he is supposed to be mimics’ attempts to re-create what he knew about Afton. (And actually…. He has some flesh on him… 😂 is that mean that he tried to attach something that remained of Scraptrap 🤣🤣🤣)
He was supposed to be a hallucination, but that wasn't communicated to Steel Wool, so now he physically exists and is instead just Mimic wearing a Spring Bonnie suit. The corpse is probably just someone random
One potential answer for "The Blob" could be how in the Princess Quest HW1 minigame showcases "Glitchtrap" as something along the lines of what the books had with Agony Amalgamation. Where whether or not people believe Afton was or wasn't Burntrap... Afton's Agony is in there now and will likely try to take over that "body."
Just wsnted to say thanks for your Supreme guide! It cleared up a lot of my confusion and I've even managed to get a few friends interested now since your video is so easy to follow. Cheers!
THANK YOU! :D
i swear if this video has something about two elevators in ruin i’m gonna crashout
The purple in the room turned orange... MUSTARD MAN FROM MIDNIGHT MOTORIST
I get your points about the books, and I agree that this update heavily skews the debate towards the Tales books truly being canon, but I still feel like it's not enough. Yes, we now know that Tiger Rock exists in the games, and we now know that Edwin also exists in the games, but are they the SAME Tiger Rock and Edwin from the books, or just other versions of them with similar stories? I mean, no one would argue that the MCU Tony Stark and the comics Tony Stark are the exact same character just because they happen to share name, powerset and major story beats. Again, this update gives a ton of supporting evidence for TalesGames, but there is still a possibility that Secret of the Mimic will show us events that parallel but don't exactly line up with the stories in the books. We already have precedents too with Into the Pit: the book version of the story is vastly different that the game version, and we're also about to get a potential third version in an upcoming interactive novel as well. So which version of this story is the "true" one? We still don't really know. So yes, I am now leaning more heavily towards TaleGames, but saying that it's "confirmed" it's still jumping too conclusions, at least for now.
The difference is that scott wrote both and theres literally carryover easter eggs in SB from the Tales. For them to be an AU would just be pointless and very stupid because it means we have two identical realities just because people don't want to read.
I can't argue against it. expecially now, but I really feel like it devalues the games making the books canon. It feels like security breach in it's entirety means even less than it did before, and all the little easter eggs are just... random? Like when Scott said "maybe everyone thought I just put in random m easter eggs this time- I didn't" Except he did that time. I also simply just liked John Fuhnafs version of how the mimic got to the pizza plex better, but that's just my opinion. Anyway do the books being canon de-canonize anything from he main games? I feel like it basically eliminates AR outside of being a character diagnosis for Vanny
Coooope
@@lokimiguel2452 I feel like this is an inappropriate response considering how I didn't refute the findings in the slightest and just expressed my disliking of it while trying to ask for context.
@CaptainNukie I mean that is why I said cope you agree with what he said but you don't like that you have to read lol
@@lokimiguel2452 When did I say I didn't like I had to read?
@CaptainNukie you don't like the bokks being canon
14:08 also there are purple areas around the cave area
15:00
this could imply that if,
purple = william
orange = mimic??
or it might just be because of the fire in the room but i think connecting orange to the mimic could lead to some interesting theories
the blob should been nicknamed "THING FREDDY."
Another question I would ask whats the deal with THING Freddy. we see him in the ruin dlc, so whats his cannon isty?
As someone who was never convinced on Frights, specifically the Stitchwraith Stingers and its connected stories, being in the games' continuity, I must say that I was rather neutral regarding Tales. Then, ever since Ruin, I've always been open towards it being game-line. So having answers to the big question satisfies me.
Speaking of Frights, the existence of Return to the Pit is yet another thing that makes me think the Frights books are their own continuity. I'll preface this with the fact that the book has been put onto shelves early in certain stores and has been leaked, though I won't spoil the exact details. To begin with, the most major part, the contents of the book contain details that make it greatly differ from both the original story and the game adaptation. Furthermore, it's in a series of games that are confirmed (The Week Before) or very likely (VIP connects to Tales) to be in the games' continuity. This means that Return to the Pit, an adaptation that is removed from the Stitchline, is likely the definitive version of the story. So in the same timeframe that TalesGames is seemingly confirmed, it looks as though StitchlineGames is put on thin ice. -Even thinner ice than before.-
Honestly, 10/10 theory, I have nothing else to say except this theory is flawless in my opinion and I 100% agree with it.
What about Billy, the little boy who identified as an Animatronic and survived the junk yard.
I have a crazy thought. People are treating the mimic as something completely new as it comes in a new era of fnaf. As it originates earliest in the time line could it have some lore implications for other early fnaf events. My mind goes to this could the mimic be apart of mid night motorist? If the kid that runs away is crying child then could the reason that afton keeps him under watch be that he is concerned about the mimic. I have always been bugged by which kid is killed first by Afton as thematically it would be puppet and Henry say so but if midnight motorist is later that night then what’s the deal with the mystery animatronic. But if the mimic is active well before then could it be it.
Be fair we don’t know if ALL of the tales are canon. It seems at least the Mimic ones are.
90% of the stories in tales are connected to the mimic plot line. The other 10 are either stories that don’t contradict anything or connect in different ways
most stories are directly connected to the mimic
So im a bit confused, whats the current state of the situation?
Vanny got separated from vanessa
Vanessa and gregory are working togethether
The mimic (endo) got separated from glitchtrap
Glitchtrap (mimic program) and all of its influence is gone
Cassy is stuck with the mimic
Cassy has vanny implanted into her
But what i didnt understand, did all the afton influence on the mimic leave with glitchtrap? Or does the mimic (endo) still know about the murders and everything?
Depends on how you look at it I suppose. Currently the discussion is on whether or not there was any of William actually there to begin with. Personally, there are elements in HW1 that could showcase there was at least a tiny bit left, such as the "entity" briefly seen in Princess Quest. (That weirdly looks like the Agony Amalgamation from the books)
But I think one option that could at the first least "work" with the conflicting information that could support either is from Ooftroop's (Accurate FNAF Timeline guy) old video discussing the design elements of Burntrap. Which is simply this...
Afton's head/remaining bits of him from the FNAF6 fire were combined with the Mimic's body, so the remaining agony started making it slowly grow back parts of Afton's actual body onto the body.
With Afton's Agony post the Blob/Tangle grabbing Burntrap in the ending, most people believe is non canon despite the Blob/Tangle showing up in RUIN, likely going/taking over the Blob/Tangle's body. Basically (seemingly) redoing/setting up the game's version of the Agony Amalgamation from the books... which was also kind of hinted at in HW1.
So (if Burntrap was actually just Afton again) either Afton's Agony was still there (during it being Glitchtrap) or it started returning when Glitchtrap was added to the Burntrap/Mimic body.
If the Burntrap ending was 100% completely not canon, so Burntrap wasn't taken by the Blob/Mimic, there is another option to where the potential "Afton side" of Glitch/Burntrap ended up. In the HW2 "first ending" that ties directly into Ruin, it could imply while yes "Glitchtrap is gone" but Afton got out/into a new body.
@@honoramongscars649 hmm seems somewhat plausible
Actually that gives me another question
If burnedtrap was always just the mimic, then what happened to afton?
He should still be rotting somewhere in an immortal state since agony keeps one alife and cant be removed until it becomes positive
No wait, if that was the logic he should just be part of the blob with all the other agony related things
So maybe one more thing which should be mentioned as important for the story is the may or may not afton-agony containing blob which is running around somewhere now (which also was shown to be hungry for the mimic in that one ending)
So there is a chance of a very dangerous entity forming by the blob eating the mimic, which would have the inteligence and violence of the mimic combined with the tons of materials and large amounts of agony from the blob, which would be close to indestructable from the agony, yet also very adjustable to everything because of its mimic nature and tentacle like body
So I'm just putting this out there, There are 2 times where we saw a van idk if that helps but yea
Is somebody who was on the opposing side of all three of these theories I’ve been convinced on the books being Canon but glitchtrap being the mimic. I’m still skeptical of. I personally believe William Afton used the mimic program to clone himself, and glitch trap is more of a hybrid and burn trap is the inverse, the mimic wearing William Afton’s corpse, the mimic pretending to be William Afton while William Afton pretends to be the mimic But you convinced me on 2/3 so good job
If glichtrap is Willam then theres no reson to Willam to give the Mask to cassie to free the Mimic since he doesn't know what the Mimic is
But why are we considering things from a spin-off racing game canon? And how does that car alone prove that afton was the yellow guy in midnight motorist? I know arcade theory is a thing. But even that is a HUGE stretch.
THE Midnight Motor has a Springbonnie item on it, proving it's his car in Midnight Motorist
what if crackpot theory, everyone has been in a way correct because we both never got a last name and a first name, what if henry was never henry emily but henry murrey in the GAMES and had a son who died before charlotte (like how in the original fnaf books charlie "had" a brother who wasnt actually real), idk just an idea I thought of when it comes to everyones ideas both making sense but still being wrong but it allows the stories to all make sense
Honestly, I thought William was possessing the mimic
No sings of possesion
I want these events shown in the games. Until then, all I see are teasers for a similar or different story using the same characters and locations. We will see.
Thats the thing those events did end up happenning
wow, shortest fnaf theory video
I can’t tell if this makes the lore more or less confusing… Either way huge win for the theorists 🎉
you didn't know FNAF 3 was a horror attraction until the other day, I fear it'll always be confusing for you...
@ OK NOW ENOUGH
What if the orange William is William being controlled by glitch trap? And if that's a thing midnight motorist mini game might be a representation of dad's pov of "into the pit" ? Possible link there
Glitchtrap didn't exist until after fnaf 6
All this means is there's a version of Tiger rock and Edwin, not that the books are canon. Even if they come out and say Edwin made the mimic that still doesn't mean the books are canon. William was first introduced in the books and later the games but him being in the books first didn't mean when he was revealed in the games the books became canon
Comparing Tales with the novel trilogy doesn't work at all.
- The Novel Trilogy is a completely different universe
- Tales from the Pizzaplex require ALL the GAMES to have happened in the story
Tales from the Pizzaplex have the SAME STORY of the GAMES. It's not the same as the novel trilogy where NONE OF THE GAMES HAPPENED
@Starbear_Ent sure but my point was them having the same character does not make it the same story. The Star Wars EU requires all the movies to have happened and some of the movies and shows reference them but that doesn't mean they are canon. For example, the Clone Wars TV show is canon and in that TV show the Republic Commandos are shown on screen but the game in which the Republic Commandos originated isn't canon. There may be books with Tiger Rock and Edwin but that doesn't mean the Tiger Rock and Edwin in the games
@@JohnDoe-hj9fh *facepalm* The situations are not comparable. Star Wars, and Marvel, and every other thing people keep coming up with to cope about this are long running franchises with DIFFERENT writers over the course of many years. Everything in FNAF is coming from one dude. Every main idea. Every character. Every twist in the plot. There is zero reason to believe the books are not directly in continuity with the games, period. And certainly not because "Star Wars did a thing once". This isn't Star Wars.
@@JohnDoe-hj9fhTales are closer to the Thrawn books. Canon prequel novels about an important character.
Use your logic for a second. Scott KNOWS the biggest debate in the community is whether the books are canon or not. Why would give us these hints NOW instead of waiting until the debate dies off?
Post Pizzaria Simulator feels like a mess.
I actually feel like this new era is a lot simpler than the first/Scott's story, I think we have a very clear story right now from Help Wanted -> Help Wanted 2
@@HyperDroidagreed. the story might have a lot of moving parts, but honestly, it's really not as messy as people make it out to be.
What do u think if the wierder games are pointing us that shadow freddy was the mimic and the pit bonnie is the shadow bonnie
Im fine with Tales being canon, but i would despise Frights being canon. Theres too many inconsistencies and baggage involved with the Stitchline for it to make any sense in the game timeline
Too late. It's canon. UCN makes it clear William killed Charlie, the MCI, and one other kid (doesn't really matter when he did). The Vengeful Spirit is also clearly not Golden Freddy, because he never once speaks through it, but rather chooses to speak through the Mediocre Melodies. Cassidy is in that nightmare for reasons unknown, but she presumably does not stay, leaving the VS to continue his thing. Contrary to popular belief, Andrew is not introduced in the books. He's introduced in a mainline game, UCN. He's just named in the book.
Also, Tales directly connects to Frights in its very first story. So if you accept one, you kinda have to accept the other.
frights isnt canon calm down
I'm not sold. The books are riddled with absolute rubbish. I mean, have you seen some of the stuff in them? I don't think Faz-Goo, Sea Bonnies, Felix the bloody shark and the Bobbiedox are actual things in the games.
If you do, are you sure you're fine?
The only thing you mentioned that's from Tales is the Bobbiedots. The others are from Fazbear Frights, which is a separate book series altogether
Fazgoo and sea bonnies are just random irrelevant stories
Felix the shark is a shark animatronic from a scrapped story (no idea why you even brought that up) and the bobbiedots are ai assistants that aren't even in the pizzaplex
@latlequin1 Yeah, but the books have been like that. These are just some of the more outlandish I could think of off the top of my head.
But the Fazbear's Fright series definitely has more of them, but the Pizza Plex also has them.
Sometimes the books are outlandish and stupid, but that doesn’t mean they’re not in the main timeline. Bad writing slips into franchises sometimes, that’s just how it is.
I never said I liked all the books and everything in them, personal opinion has no sway on evidence. The only thing I'm arguing is Tales from the Pizzaplex, which yes the Pizzaplex in Bobbiedots was changed to *match* Security Breach's Pizzaplex more accurately. Also Faz-Goo, Sea Bonnies, and Felix the Shark are not actually in the game timeline even if you believe that some of the Fazbear Frights are in the game timeline, those stories are completely irrelevant to the canon.
My thing is that Scott has always been pretty clear on older books they're meant to be parallels used for solving game lore without being game canon.
That, and Bobbiedots has a HUGE game contradiction and the books themselves are full of publishing, illustration and description errors to the extent that it's nearly as bad as when Scott hired guys to make the lore guide and they basically knew nothing about FNAF. THAT'S how many mistakes and contradictions are in them.
Plus Scott actually had very little to do with the books, basically just giving them guides on what he wanted vaguely as opposed to VIP which he had a heavy hand in. ATP i honestly think the books being directly canon would be lazy.
Even the older books introduced characters, plots, lore and items that either appeared in older games or was used as lore, without the books being canon. To me in just makes no sense when Scott has made his books and film as parallels in universe, to specifically for this ONE series in particular that's dotted with publishing mistakes, make them canon.
Hyperdroid, do you think it was originally Henry, Edwin, and William or Edwin and William with Henry in the books being the fictional version of Edwin?
Edwin is just a worker for Fazbear Entertainment
William and Henry are always the main founders, but there's a lot more workers in FazEnt then JUST William and Henry and we have known that since back in FNAF 2 where they mention contacting the "original owners"
@ interesting and makes sense, thanks for replying!
I really like the Mimic and everything, but since Security Breach, the story has been so convoluted that I sometimes just dont care about the story, so hopefully, in the next couple years we move on from this story, unless they can prove that the issues with Security Breach won't happen again, then, i'd hope we see it continue to its true potential.
This is interesting😊😊😊
The only thing i dont think is true burntrap must be a diffrent character
I forgot but can somebody tell me if it's stated what the mimic mimic that was too human like the only thing that I can think of is either somewhere somehow they saw it express some type of emotion genuinely or maybe it started acting like Afton or just questioning something it shouldn't have
What is up with the zipper in the back of the tiger rock plushie?
Possible reason is that the model is just a shrunk down model of a mascot costume for sotm
Eu acredito que Glich Trap seja uma criatura de agonia e ambição, o meu ponto de vista é que quando as placas dos animatronics de fnaf 6 foi escaneados para o Help Wanted a agonia das carcaças foi parar no jogo (Conciderando que a agonia foi explicada nos "Fazbear Frigth's" que foram lançados depois de Help Wanted, faz sentido pensar nisso)
Ai Glich Trap controla Vanessa, em paralelo a isso, acontece os eventos com o "mimic-01" se espalhando pelos sistemas do pizzaplex inteiros. O Gregory como GGY da a entender que ele estava a favor do Glich Trap, e de algum modo o Gregory estária tentando por o Glich Trap com o controle do Megapizzaplex, mas em algum momento Gregory se rebela contra o Glich Trap e tenta tirar ele do controle de Vanessa e do estabelecimento (Aqui seria os eventos do Jogo principal)
Apos isso tudo, Gregory de algum modo controla o Virus do Glich Trap e faz ele virar o Mxes com o objetivo de aprisionar o Mimic (após isso seria os eventos da DLC)
Essa Minha visão tem alguns problemas:
1. O porque o Gregory estaria ajudando o Glich Trap e o porque ele se rebelou?
2. O porque o Mxes é mostrado junto com a "Casa" que se refere ao "Secret of the Mimic"?
3. O porque o Gregory usaria o Mxes para impedir o Mimic ao invés de destruir-lo que nem ele fac com todos os animatronics no SB? (Um robo com o que dá a entender que tem + de 50 anos, não seria mais resistente do que os robos de ultima geração como os "Glamrock's"
Algumas possiveis explicações seriam"
1. Talvez seja por conta da vanessa e de arrependimento.
2. Talvez seja só para lembrar do "Ruin" e o Mxes não faz referencia tão direta ao Secret of the mimic.
3. Talvez ele estaria usando o Mxes para o progama "Mimic-01" e só aproveitou 2 em 1 e usou o Mxes para a forma fisica do mimic também.
Well wh8le I think that Talesgames is truely confirmed I still think that Glitchtrap is a copy of mimic one that was infected with williams Agony and that Burntrap is still William. Yeah I know that there is this one clawmark in the mimics vent but that could be Burntrap travelling around without him being the mimic. Plus The Endos of them are semingly different despite the hand and Burntrap looks very fraggile. Plus the fact that he is a burned rabbit suit with a burned corpse in it in a location where a man inside a bunny suit was burned is just enough for me. And he looks like he needs the recharch station while the mimic doesnt. The only way I could see them being the same is that thas just how gregory sees the mimic because of mimic one or with other words gregory is hallucinating the suit and the corpse
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Bro just because there is a tiger rock plush doesn’t mean everything happened 1 to 1. That’s like hearing “Mr afton” in sister locations intro and assuming that the entire silver eyes trilogy happened in the games timeline
Tales from the Pizzaplex is entirely different to the Novel Trilogy and they are incomparable
We need scott to talk about if the books are canon or not.
He has, but he’s only clarified if the Silver Eyes trilogy was canon, partially clarified Frights, and joked about Tales
@@gameslayer3976 Proof? Because he has said that the Silver Eyes are canon to themselves and not the games.
@@thechazz3230 clarified doesn’t mean to confirm or deny, by the way
What the dude meant was that scott only clarified about the original trilogy, everything else is canon since Scott said the books filled the blanks@@thechazz3230
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