The Punching Bag of K-pop: RM (Kim Namjoon) ft. briczennie and My Subscribers!
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Also, a moment of silence for my crashing laptop, aching fingers and filled up storage! but it was all worth it I hope
I loved it, I love how you out other people and their opinions in the video
I love how well you made this video. you always make them with both humor and respect it’s awesome. love you! 💜
Really appreciate your efforts, this was a great video!!
As a Namjoon biased ARMY, I felt sad watching this. It’s not my place to judge him since I’m not black, but after seeing older content and seeing his effort(s) to grow, I can say that he inspires me to be able to take constructive criticism in such a graceful way. I’m so proud of him for realizing why his actions were wrong, taking steps to fix it, and constantly improving himself.
I was about to say that’s not joon
Namjoon is one of the only idols that has ever messed up like this & followed it up with sincere acknowledgment & actual positive change afterwards. He educated himself, unlike almost every other idol that hides behind their label whenever they slip up. Namjoon changed, why can’t they?
They just obsess over their favorite group or idol but Namjoon is perfect example of "your past doesn't define the present and future you"
@@GiselleOutsold As someone whose bias is Namjoon (RM) & has been for literal years… we’re OT7 here. If not, you’re not ARMY. They’re equals. Try again. :P
*no.* 💜
When did he apologize?
@@nafitaffi Hate and negativity of any kind never makes anyone feel happy or fulfilled. It can make someone feel a temporary and surface type of pleasure and satisfaction but true happiness and fulfillment is much deeper and lasts for a long time. Negativity is caused by some kind of pain/suffering within a person.
yeah i agree
As a black person myself, I see Namjoon's actions weren't because he was racist but came from a place of ignorance. I have lived in an Eastern country for job for a while, and I understand not all ppl know abt our history, and keeping this expectation from them to know everything doesn't sit right with me,cz did you know abt all their culture before?? He learned what he did can hurt others and never repeated the mistake also went ahead and educated the reporters. That should be telling how he has grown. His 2018UN speech has saved my life nd also shows his personal growth. Whoever brings the 'but namjoon..' argument I want them to take a step back and ask do you really want half ass apology or is it just bcz you are so blinded by your bias that you overlook an actual personal growth. For me I'd take actions over hollow words any day...
I'm a black fan but I understand Namjoon in this kind of thing because he didn't have access to black history and culture just like how I don't have access to learn Korean culture and history so it will just be unfair to expect any idol to know of black history and culture when we ourselves can't learn their own culture and history
@@Danna-ek5hq I like how u understand that. It's hard to learn about other cultures properly. It takes lot of time and patient too.
@@moni2443 it can even take years to learn because learning black history without leaving any details can take years not a week or 2 months so if we were to learn Korean culture and history without leaving any details, it would take years especially if you have a tight schedule so I just wonder if fans themselves know Korean culture and history
@@Danna-ek5hq you got my point. Just learning new language is hard too.. imagine a whole culture???
Thank you!!🎯
Namjoon should not be blamed when other idols messed up . It is very annoying when they drag namjoon everywhere
People only shove your past onto your face when they are intimidated by your present.
I won't defend the old Namjoon but now that he has changed and acknowledged his mistakes, I see no reason to hate him. All these people are just pressed that he is more successful than their faves lmao.
Words!! 💜
I love ur first sentence.....its straight to the gut🤣👏👏👏👏👏👏
That first part >>>>
💯
You know what is the best part about him? He is real.
Unlike every other teenagers he made mistakes.
But as he is growing and learning, his thoughts are being shown in his music. And thus making us grow and learn with him.
As Suga said, being a leader gives no advantage but just extra pressure...
that what bts leader is i respect so much
Unlike every other teenager? Heh?
Big typo. You _definitely_ meant *like* every other teenager.
@@kaputt_jay3873 I think because RM back then was a teenager...?
I am a Black adult woman well over the age of 30 who grew up in Birmingham, Alabama. If you don’t know about my state, google it’s history.
K-pop groups can be problematic when it pertains to race. Also, non Black hip hop/ rap artists in the US too for the same reasons. Hip hop’s history is intertwined with our culture. It’s not separate. So when someone else decides to pursue a career in this area, it always becomes problematic at some point because there is some cultural appropriation involved.
First, Namjoon made a mistake repeating the N word when covering a Shinwa song. He took the heat for the entire K-pop industry. No one went after Shinwa. No one went after BH who in 2014 dictated to the members what image they projected as hip hop artists. There is saying I learned many years ago from a senior. She said people go after what that can instead of what they should. It was easier to go after Namjoon.
The guys cringe today when they watch those old videos because they have said they were not comfortable in the stereotypical gear. It did not feel authentic. The more appropriate action would have been to look at the problem as an industry problem and address the executives rather than make it a Kim Namjoon problem. He didn’t invent it, he learned it. He mimicked.
He shouldn’t have automatically known anything because he did not grow up in the society I did. He grew up in a homogenous society.
If I go to SK, it is my responsibility to familiarize myself with the customs ahead of time so I don’t offend anyone. However even with my best attempt, I may miss something and unintentionally offend someone. I want to know if that happens, so that I don’t repeat that mistake.
An apology is meaningless without sincerity and change. It’s simply a bunch of words intended to appease and quiet the “roar.”
I applaud Joon’s growth regarding this and sexist lyrics. When he was called out, he educated himself so that he would truly understand the mistakes he made gain perspective and change the behavior. In other words, when we know better, we should do better.
I challenge anyone to find another group who committed similar mistakes to be able to explain in detail why their behavior was offensive. I don’t mean say I am sorry because people on Twitter told me I should.
Again an apology is more than regret it involves understanding, growth, and intent.
An apology is often a hollow response to appease. I don’t want a meaningless apology. I want action. I want the individual to understand the offense so that the behavior is not repeated even when no one is listening. Namjoon educated himself. I see the change and growth. Action speaks louder than words and if you don’t think so, thing again. Is it better to say I am sorry I said I hate you or to stop hating?
Namjoon, so concerned about repeating the same mistakes he made in the expensive girl song requested a women’s studies professor review his lyrics before release while at the same time he read books on the subject. Keep in mind SK culture towards gender roles, because as we know culture has an impact on music. Everyone makes mistakes that but Namjoon did it is an unacceptable reason to use to refrain from calling out the group you may Stan. If we really want to address what Namjoon did…..he didn’t stop at the mistake.
If people still holding on to the past, so be it. Be honest about the reason. Do you want to be treated the same way when you make mistakes because no one is perfect. Do you want to be canceled or fired when you make a mistake? Do you want the mistake to constantly be thrown in your face and it was several years ago? You have matured and moved on. Karma is real. You can hold on, but someone else can hold on to your past too.
All Black people do not share the same views. So what I may see as a problem, someone else may disagree. I may examine action and intent. Someone else may only focus on the action. Life Goes On
I love BTS. I respect the members including Namjoon. My Army membership is active. #Borahae #BTS 🙆🏾♀️
The same people that bash them are the same who with the same breath support individuals who offended other communities and never educated or acknowledged themselves , the same individuals support the worst kind of individuals to exist on Earth such as p3dos and assaulters aka Seo Taiji and brothers & those from Burning Scandal and similar messed up individuals , they all love "omg my fave is so woke" but would ban others who have to live with those traumas
this made my heart so warm for some reason thank you for staying with the boys i hope you know your existence makes the world a much better place and bts loves you as well and im sure they would love to know that there are people like you who supports their career and admire their work
Namjoon deserves the biggest apology
He really does
Yup
@@aurora.storiess I don't think he does IMO but what he doesnt deserve is the unending hate.
Oh i second that 10000% percent. It's very frustrating people are still doing this to him. Like they act "OH YOU MADE MISTAKE LIKE AN OTHER HUMAN BEING" you are now a bad person forever and you always will be. And to be honest before these people cancel other they need to take a good look at them selves first. !
Really out here acting like they've never said things to intentionally hurt others or have said things by mistake that they were not aware was rude. Some people just refuse to look past the person you used to be and in life there nothing you can do about it. So I truly hope none of this affect him and he simply moves on.
I'm black and was not hurt by any of what he said. In my belief people can say and do what ever they want to so I don't think it's really right to be so upset about what other people are doing, again that' just me and I choose not to be overly sensitive about things.
But still I really hope from the bottom of my heart this is not affecting him. He is a grown man now and it's time for him to move on with his life. People can't hold him back from that and they need to stop acting like your mistake define you. What defines you is what you do to stop it.
Sorry this was long it just really upset me ppl are still out here saying bs like that. LEAVE THE MAN ALONE
Oh I so agree with you .. he is the one person in the world who told me to love myself.. and he nor anyone else will ever know how those words resonated with me
This video is amazing!!! Like I mentioned to you before, I think it's very unrealistic that some K-pop fans want Namjoon to explicitly release a statement about issues that happened years ago, when it seems that he's truly grown and learned from his mistakes. I'd rather see personal growth in idols than a manufactured apology from a company. If people feel uncomfortable with BTS' past, that's fine. But to continue to bring up Namjoon's name in every instance where there's an issue of cultural insensitivity in K-pop is ridiculous and morally dishonest in my opinion.
I, as a black person do need an apology. You don't? okay. I need it.
Also they don't apologize cause they know if they will say something about the racist things they have done in past some fans will accept the apology some won't and leave the fandom. They don't want to lose fans. They don't care about black people but money only.
Yessss......I really want to hug you🤣👏👏👏👏👏👏
Your part was the best in this whole video short but informative some others specially the second and the third were talking nonsense
@@user-mt5sb9dl8i I totally respect that. A direct apology would be nice but at this point I don’t think it’s gonna happen tbh. Like you said, money wise, HYBE letting the members address it isn’t probable.
@@user-mt5sb9dl8iit happens years ago and mind you the n word was written on the lyrics, why hate him for a song that is popular in their country and he has no knowledge abt bcz if that what you want them first attack the country bcz it's normalised there
Can we as ARMY just complete this quote with "but Namjoon learned, reacted and grew"?
great idea
Most of us if not all have been racist at least once in our lives. Does that have to define us? We grew up, learned and stopped when we realized what we said, thought or did was disrespectful and problematic. So why can't Namjoon go through the same process? He is a human who's allowed to make mistakes and learn from it. I'm proud of him for the way he educated himself and never repeated the same mistakes twice.
Unless you're black and have been hurt by him, i have no hope for people who hate on him for the sake of hating him. So I only hope Army would acknowledge his mistakes rather than try to hide it. He's the personification of what growth should be like. Please remember this.
Edit: So, many people corrected me by saying ignorance =/= racism. To which, I wholeheartedly agree. And no, it's not "normal" or "okay" to have thoughts or to say disrespectful things to someone, no matter how many of us have done it (and regretted it later ofc). To the people saying I'm speaking for them, please look at the first part of my comment, I literally said "most of us if not all)😭 I didn't say "ALL of you"!😭
So true, we all have been racist at least once in our life when we didn't knew what is wrong and what is right, i will honestly say, when i was small i used to think dark skin looks bad, well i didn't had any hatred towards those people who don't have light skin colour but once i made fun of a person (who is close to me) because he has a darker skin, i will never be able to forgive myself ,its hurts, More important even that guy also thinks dark skin is bad , After sometimes i learn what i did and my thoughts were wrong, Every skin color is beautiful, The reason i had such thoughts because except my mom my family, Relatives even teachers think fair skin is pretty, they never made fun of anyone, But i did what i was taught , what i learned from them, We have always been taught fair skin is pretty ,i was really young back then . So yeah, this how everything happened, Well when i grew up i understood how wrong this kind of mindset is, How wrong it is to define someone's beauty by their skin color, i learned from my mistake, i came to know what is wrong and what is right ,i learned what racism is, i learned how dark skin people might feel when they go through this, i learned the meaning of discrimination towards Darked skin people and many more. I became a knowledgeable person , i learned Which will help me to become a better person in future ! My mindset have been change and i am happy about it
I agree
I have never been racist towards anyone and will never be since ik how it feels like when someone makes fun of ur race. Kids have called me monkey and made fun of my skin color at middle school but I really dislike namjoon. He's done too many things and never have apologized.
Stop justifying racism ffs.
100%
Yep
I personally like to see a person’s growth in their actions rather than a made up apology released by the company. I fully acknowledge the mistakes he made and don’t support it but I absolutely support his growth as a person and I can see he is more aware now and knows the weight of his words and actions . So that’s a plus for me. I also don’t have complete knowledge of every culture that exists in this world so I also constantly am in a phase of learning
He’s learnt from his mistake, that enough should be good enough (considering A LOT of idols don’t do that)
I prefer no apology but growth because a lot of people don't mean it but growth is real
@@Danna-ek5hq same
@@Danna-ek5hq I don't see any growth especially after the yoongi Jim Jones sample scandal in 2020 and how he was on of the producers of that track but he never apologized and hid behind the company. only the company apologized he didn't.
@a first of all this has nothing to do with yoongi this is about namjoon and how is it yoongi's fault? He's not Jim Jones. just because he was one of the producers of the track? Bruh
@@user-mt5sb9dl8i
This video is about RM, not Yoongi
Personally, I dislike apologies and actions are what matter to me. I was really upset when I saw BTSs past instances of racism and the reason why I continue to be a fan is that they changed their actions, and their current actions show respect, compassion and a willingness to learn. To me that is what matters. I lived through 20 years of domestic violence and my abuser always said sorry but he never changed. I don't believe in apologies because they are easy and meaningless, I believe in change and I believe BTS has changed. It doesn't mean their actions in the past should be ignored, forgotten or excused, but I will support them as long as they don't repeat their past mistakes. I understand why other people choose not to continue supporting them and quite frankly, I don't think it is any of my business. The personal choices and music preferences of complete strangers have no meaning to our lives.
I too hate apologies because they can still do wrong things even after apologizing and actions speak louder than words
I think, rather than racism, its purely ignorance. Yoy have to remember that BTS doesnt speak english, and RM involvement with western media in the past is only due to his love of Harry Potter.
Im SEAasian and I remember a few years back, N word memes are very very very popular. I was a newbie in western related media then, I got bored with online activities of my fellow SEAasians and decided to see what western people up to online.
Then i see those memes and i genuinely thought N word means 'buddy' because of how its potrayed in the memes. So i started using it, until i got harassed badly by a triggered western man. Understandably so, but instead of racism, its pure ignorant.
Im SEAasian that have one of the most fluent english speakers in Asia aside from Fililinl and Singapore. But even us is not quite understanding about these issues.
They spoke their own language, their own alphabets, their own culture and they dont even have that much mixed race in their country. They probably doesnt even know what racism is in the past.
Also, among asians, theres no 'why are you wearing hanbok when youre a chinese?!' None, i never experience that. My Chinese friends wear kimono, fellow korean foreigners in my country just wear Baju Kurung and even celebrate our holiday event.
So to them, its probably 'oh their hairstyle looks cool lets try it :D'
Hope you're doing ok now 💜
@@jeanneann3545 yes, even we Indians don’t mind, rather we become extremely happy when a foreigner wears traditional Indian clothes. Personally, when I went to Bhutan in 2018, there was a place where you could wear their traditional clothes for photos, that place was actually for tourists! And of course the native people didn’t mind. But most Asians, as I think, don’t know about Black history and cultural appropriations, so they don’t even know if they are doing something wrong.
Agree with Jeanne Ann. I am also SEAsian, didn't know and was ignorant about cultural appropiation until i know bts. Not that we try to defend their mistake or hide it, but it can come from ignorant, especially when we don't live in the same environment with more than 1 race, have our own culture, our own language, doesn't know the other's.
I also thought that namjoon at that time was only teenager who have passion and obsession toward hip hop without knowing about the black culture and cultural appropriation. And, maybe, it was also influenced by how korean media and music industry portrayed hip hop which unfortunately, blended with black culture. Like in B Free incident, how rappers associated hip hop with masculinity, even though the essence of hiphop is not about that. I watched some korean entertainment news or variety shows and knew that some rappers in korea used black culture, esp hairstyles, but somehow slipped from people's radar. Antis and haters only attacked Namjoon eventhou the others are more problematic (one of them is Jay Park). Also, in kdrama Penthouse 3 which the lead actor was portrayed as gangster boss with black culture fashion, completed with hairstyle but it seems no one complaint about it while i felt uncomfortable watching it.... so, i think the one of the most problematic one is korea entertainment industry/media itself. Including their cultural appropiation to Islamic culture which upset us, Muslim (i am Muslim).
NAMJOON DESERVES EVERYTHING
rm has made mistakes but he has learned from them and has grown so much , i love namjoon a lot!
you can't compare someone who educated themselves, matured and show it through their actions and words with someone who has zero concern about how their actions are being harmful towards certain people. "but he did the same thing in the past so you can't judge", the fact that people judged and required a proper apology is what made namjoon mature and know his mistakes.
I appreciate it when people come and use this mistakes as an example of how education works, how it's necessary to discuss but it's DISGUSTING when you only bring it up to excuse your favs racism, you're using a serious issues that harms thousands of people everyday as a silly card to save your fav.
criticize and demand proper education for your fav if you really care about this issue.
Girl say that LOUDER!!!! People really act like criticizing their favs for inappropriate behavior is going to ruin their careers! So they would do whatever it takes defend them even if it meant dragging someone else for their past mistakes. We need to learn the difference between holding someone accountable and straight up hatred. And this “But Namjoon” trend is diabolically EVIL! 😤
Wow. You're scary Julia. Sheesh. LOL. I completely agree with your comment though. You speak truth.
Damn girl 👏👏👏
Agreed
"but it's DISGUSTING when you only bring it up to excuse your favs racism, you're using a serious issues that harms thousands of people everyday as a silly card to save your fav." Literally why I left twitter😭✋🏾 thank you for this!
Namjoon deserves better🗣🙌🏾
Black people deserve better🗣🙌🏾
@@GiselleOutsold fuck off
@@user-mt5sb9dl8i Bye. There are idols worse than him
I've read so many interviews, seen his vlives, read his lyrics, and one thing I can tell you is that he has definitely grown. Grown to be a better person, grown to be a better idol. Antis are just mad they just use joon for diverting an issue
I ACCEPTED THE APOLOGY ,As black kpop stan,am SO OVER the whole namjoon cultural inappropriatiation..he addressed the issues,and didnt repeat it after 2017 addressing the issue ,he has grown...its completely ok for black armies to accept it or not but to me I understand where he came from,and how he has grown ..period.......that's it
What apology? That vague apology where he didn't even mention anything about being racist or sayingthe n word?
Some black stans love to choose kpop over their race and it makes so sad and mad.
@@nemi9964 apologising It does not always going to involve the word sorry...I may do sth ,and if am told its problematic and then decide to show how I am changing from not doing the same mistake ,I may as well acknowledge it,and definitely not do it again......I dont get why PEAPLE are still holding on to something he did more than 5 years ago....its pretty childish ,bse u move on and it's a choice to see the growth of someone or choose to hold on to an incident that he probably has even moved on from.....am sure he has...period
@@nemi9964 am so deeply sorry that so.e PEAPLE are disgusting to take others innocence away...and I would gladly help you get rid the person who is a rapist..believe me ..but to be relevant to what were saying here ,Rm didn't rape any1,like were talking about how he imitated black accent, the hair thing and all that ...he addressed it and I didnt do it again ,unless there is sth I dont know....to be honest this is really irrelevant.......and if some1 raped me or any assault, believe I cant let it go and I would move heaven and earth to make that person pay ....
@@nemi9964 no...rape and slavery isnt an option,...some mistakes are done bse they are done un intentional or becouse of lack of education.... but slavery and rape are and are done with bad intentions....you get the difference. ...
@@nemi9964 ofcs he doesn't and wont probably but the fact that he has helped alot of Peaple ,I dont need to be grateful becouse he knows me physically ,if a person does a good deed and its impact is really huge to PEAPLE ,then its someone's choice to be grateful or not, so I choose to be grateful...
Black army here. Had to rewrite my original comment. It upsets me that people treat him as if he’s the most evil kpop idol to walk the earth. I don’t agree with this exaggerated narrative. The clip used from their love yourself tear press conference, of Namjoon explaining that they changed the word naega in Fake Love because it sounded like the N word showed me that he learned the word was wrong and did in fact show growth. Personally, I’ve chosen to forgive him. I really appreciate the thoughts and opinions from black armys on this topic being included in this video. No one ever wants to listen to how we feel about this. I’m very glad this video was made.
I agree. It’s especially annoying when people get mad at me for speaking on some scandal that another idols has done and kpopies try invalidating what I feel by saying “Don’t you stan bts? You can’t be talking” like huh?? Unlike some of y’all i’m actually able to hold my faves accountable. People gotta understand that part of loving someone is telling them when they wrong
It's so nice how understanding you are. I mean people change right? Just because someone did something wrong in past it doesn't mean they can't change.
I believe he has grown but I also think we should hold him accountable in a reasonable way.
Edit: I'm not going to say he apologized because now that I think about it he didn't, he acknowledged it. It would be nice to hear an apology, but he still is showing growth. Sometime actions ( or refraining from doing certain actions) really do speak louder than words.
@@hobixsprite2136 After listening to the video makers response to what an apology means, have you changed your opinion on this?
@@aangisbestboi3984 no, I did some more thinking and came to a point after collectively thinking about all the information that I've heard.
Namjoon has become the target for all kpop fans that don't stan BTS. I hate this kind of toxicality since whether or not he has done the same thing, he has nothing to do with other idols, and shouldn't be blamed for THEIR mistakes. He hasn't replied to these but i know 100% sure that he has seen at least one of those disgusting tweets. The haters (and BTS nons) are taking advantage of his silence. Once he opens his mouth on this topic, everything will be demolished.
idk if he's the most targeted idol tho, isn't g dragon also targeted a lot? not comparing the two just wondering cuz i've heard him mentioned in scandals and stuff i think
You don't understand how many times I've argued and explained in comments relating to this that Namjoon doesn't deserve all the hate he's got and continues to get. He's honestly shown and gone through immense growth, maturity, and acknowledged his mistakes whereas others have not even bothered. So all the "but Namjoon!" I'm seeing and hearing is falling on deaf ears at least to me, at this point. The sooner people realize it, the better. Like, really. And if I hear one more person bring up his past, (that he himself has put behind him) followed by a "where's a written apology" or "Namjoon still hasn't apologized", I.S you're getting damaged
Even if he apologized after years no one will accept it because they want him to put his blood sweat and tears in it
@@Danna-ek5hq Oh Hun He Literally Did That Through All His Growth & Actions But People Still Hate.
@@caaarolynj4733 it just shows that an apology isn't really enough to others
@@Danna-ek5hq Ik and that’s what’s sad. It’s amazing (pathetic) how unforgiving and sourly over-sensitive people can be if that makes sense
Right?!?!
Jay Park has had numerous apologies 🙄😒
So apologies in this type of situation are just pretty words that hold no worth
I'm an older black ARMY who can only speak for myself. I know not every black person thinks like me. I am so glad this video was made. I'm not gonna lie and say that it's not uncomfortable to see the old eras pictures or see some of the old videos or even hear the blacksent from Namjoon. It feels hurtful that black people are seen as just a costume to be put on and then taken off. Not really knowing or seeing us as real people. This is not only an idol issue, this is a problem in fandoms as well. It baffles me that people who stan POCs can be so racist themselves. Anyway my point is that with all BTS have done in the past and especially Namjoon, I am still an ARMY because I have seen their growth and regret. I have seen them try to educate others and themselves. I have seen them acknowledge their mistakes. I have seen them do cultural appreciation instead of appropriation. I have seen them give one million dollars to a black cause and heard them decry injustice and racism. I've seen all of this with my own eyes and it makes me feel that BTS is worth stanning. No kpopper or another black person can make me feel differently. I want to be clear, this does not mean that I will ignore if BTS exhibits any problematic behavior in the future. That I will just ignore and try to sweep it under the rug like some ARMYs have done for their past. I will hold them accountable. I'm just saying the men I see before me today, I'm proud of them as artist, performers and most importantly as just people.
I don’t understand why some fans want to sweep under the rug. They are humans and shouldn’t only have perfect images. I am an older Asian fan so I know where BTS are coming from. I am not trying to make excuses for them. It’s mostly from ignorant and not really racist against black people. All Asian countries have no knowledge about black culture and and they only see the bad reputation of blacks on tv. In RM’s case or any other international hip hop artists, they think they have to dress or look like blacks to be considered hip hop. I doubt any of them know it’s considered culture appropriation if no one told them so. I think fans should let them know so they can change instead of protecting them. Now I see the person RM becomes, I am proud of him like my own son.
@@hoanhuynh7059 Exactly. There are a lot of bad stereotypes that I heard from others and saw in the media about Asians too. Plus so called good stereotypes such as being the "model minority". I knew from my own experiences that that is all they are, stereotypes and because I actually have always lived in a diverse environment, I knew not all Asians are one anything and it's harmful to assume that about them or black people or any group of people. I base my judgments off of individual people. I've experienced racism from Asians but one of my best friends is Asian and I'm stanning an Asian group. I don't see any group as a monolith. I think it really needs to come to a point where we are talking to each other and not at each other and really listen to and have empathy for each other. We are all human.
Your feelings are mine, well said
There's a major difference when an idol is being asked to just apologise as a way of damage control and when an idol takes a genuine initiative to understand where they've wronged and take constructive steps towards educating themselves and avoiding such mistakes. I really respect RM for that.
Thanks from a 72 year old black female army member. All humans make dumb, insensitive, hurtful remarks and actions during their life. BTS and specifically RM have addressed past errors in judgement and knowledge. To me that along with changed behavior is their real and the only apology I need. For those of you who need more I hope you will put extra energy into positive organizations working to honor and accept all cultures so we can have a peaceful world family.
I will just say one thing: Actions > Apologize
RM showed us ACTIONS, instead of get on his knees and begging for pardon, he acknowledged his actions and change for a better person, also we all should consider that all of this happens 7 years ago, when most everybody was ignorant about black couture. Nowadays everybody knows what is wrong and what is right, and RM knows that too, let's not act like we all are perfect and RM is the only "bad" person here, has RM oneday said: we all commit mistakes
you are a kind of youtuber that even bts would follow
omg that is so kind! thank you!
@@Sonyeonstan trust me
you're very respectful
heavy research prior to any video
choose only worthy topics
and never speak for only one side
also you're the only youtuber i stick to and is following for this long
i love your videos
they are ✨eye-opener ✨
Finally, a video that is based on facts and maturity. Nobody is perfect and we all made mistakes in our past. The important thing is he learned from it. They have been inclusive with black culture and donated $1 mil to BLM. I don’t know what else people expect him to do. There is no win win for him. When idols made mistakes the companies apologized on behalf of the idols, but RM handled it himself. He faced the problem head on. That’s what I call a true leader. I love him more because he’s human and made mistakes like us when we were young. RM also addressed it indirectly in his UN speech such as he made many mistakes and have many fault.
Exactly, even if they apologized, people would say they're being not genuine =_=
Can you please make a video about jimin who is also kpop's punching bag for literally no reason other than being himself.. The double standards, the internal misogyny that makes people dislike Jimin, the justification and normalization of erasing/discrediting him and his talents, the shippers and especially the ones who send hate to Jimin because they think he's getting in the way of their ship. They take it way too far and even send him DT's to this day just because of big accounts spreading the narrative he's taking jk away from tae/getting in between them and stupid things like that. Also the transphobia hate comments he gets on a daily basis.
i would love to see u talk about it and it really needs more discussion on the topic but i don't see many people address it.
I would love too see it
YES! A video on this would be good.
its not misogynistic ..its misandrists
That be great to see !
Yes this needs to be addressed.
And how the girl group stans misgender him on daily basis and make transphobic remarks towards him.
RM is one of the most beautiful, kindest, warm hearted, helpful and supporting idols ever!! He doesnt deserve all this hate!! Im proud to call him my bias wrecker!!
Namjoon seems so genuine to me. He decided to talk with fans personally on Vlive and discuss his mistakes real time instead of making the company write an apology. I can imagine it’s hard to face your mistakes head on with so many people listening and commenting, so that makes me respect him.
“If there is discrimination and prejudice in our songs, it is wrong. I agree to fix it and change it. We will also study a lot, discuss a lot, and talk a lot. I think we can fix that point and change it.”
- Yoongi 2016
Namjoon is the best example of self growth I AM PROUD OF HIM
Everyone learns from their mistakes. Namjoon also stated that if he wants to turn back time, he would reflect to not doing those hairstyles and the n-slur. He has grown to improve and some just can't accept the fact.
Kpoppies will always find the slightest flaws on an idol. We all learn from our mistake.
He is amazing. If he needs to own up to anything he will. If he hasn't than it doesn't need to apologize for it.
@@beththorn9009
He is one of the idols who did it and yet gets used as an excuse to make other idols look less bad, yikes
He really said that? But in 2022 festa dance practice he did the hairstyle?
@@kaputt_jay3873 if you're talking about the dance practices, those are old videos from 2013, when Namjoon still had the hairstyle. To our knowledge, he hasn't had that hair since
Black Army here the whole "But Namjoon" situation is tiring... He made mistakes a lot of them whether you accept his apology or not is up to you however, using Namjoon as a way to dismiss your idol's mistakes is sick. To some, he didn't apologize properly but he did grow from his mistakes and stopped doing what he did wrong in the past. I believe in actions speak louder than words
As a black person and an ARMY who's bias is Namjoon, when I learned about the past things that he'd done it made me feel conflicted. But I became an ARMY at the end of 2018 and was able look at an overall timeline from his past to present. What made the difference for me was that he did not repeat those actions. I believe that people can make bad decisions and learn and grow from them. He's clearly shown growth. Anybody that looks at Kim Namjoon and can't see that he's changed since he was a teenager and young adult is clearly misinformed.
I'm a Black A.R.M.Y that started streaming Kpop in 2015 after I started watching Kdramas.
2nd Generation was still dominating and BTS had just started evolving from the 'Black as an aesthetic' phase. When I say that the Anti-Blackness in Hallyu was strong back then, I mean full on Blackface from groups/variety shows.
RM was one of the only ones to acknowledge that his actions were hurtful. To display regret. And more importantly, to show GROWTH.
Did he directly say the words 'sorry' or ' I apologize', no, but acknowledging hurt, feeling remorse, and changing behavior (especially in a time when S.Korea was even less educated on Black Appropriation vs Black Appreciation) really counts for lot, to me.
As a Black American, I will admit, my tolerance for cultural ignorance isn't what it once was. If a new group came out today with the same concept/mistakes, I'd have no tolerance. As a country/culture that profits and builds off of Black culture, I expect a certain amount of increased education/sensitivity from the industry in this day and age.
These days, I pretty much assume every idol/group is problematic until proven otherwise. It hurts less that way. Be as Anti-Black/Colorist as you want to (most of the world is), but don't do it on camera!
And I hate that showing displeasure over racially insensitive actions/repeat offenses almost certainly leads to the 'whataboutism' of, "but namjoon" as if he did something yesterday and hasn't corrected himself. As if I wouldn't hold him to the same standards if he did something offensive today.
People don't want to forgive him for things that haven't happened since 2016- fine. But then go just as hard towards idols that mess up today. Especially post BLM era.
People excuse artists and labels that exploit and fetishize Black culture until today without true remorse or accountability (just shameless), but want to hate on artists that have honestly tried to be progressive, educated, empathetic. Stop hiding behind a label. If something is wrong, take the personal accountability in the face of whatever company penalty/punishment will result as a decent human being.
I keep waiting to see growth from other artists, but I just haven't seen anything close to what RM has done. Their apologies mean nothing at this point; honestly the statements are kinda offensive in of themselves.
I am tired.
But this video was a whole word.
You took the words right out of my mouth, thank you!
The ending part was iconic , Each and every line you said in last part just touched my heart .
4:40 i'm sorry but like , what do that girl wants armys to do ? ,send an e-mail to every person that get into bts saying " welcome to the fandom , here is what namjoon did 7 years ago "?????? like what ?!. for exemple i got into nct and for a month or so i found out about the kaaeba mearch and the make a wish backround as a shiaa masjid ( i"m muslim ) i got offended , i left the fandom i soon as i didn't find ANY sort of apology . but i didn't blame nctzens for "brushing it under the table" , like wtf are they supposed to do , hold a sign in the fandom's gates that say " warning this is an islamophobic group " .
Am grateful that u addressed this in the most respectful and humble way possible and since ur not black...u did an excellent research and looked for opinions from black army .....as a black army I 👏👏👏👏👏
I think getting the opinion of actual black people is what really made this video outstanding
@@justSunny7 ofc
First of all Thanks you soo much for making this vedio. Fans have been ignoring this issue for along time. And i really appreciate your research. I agree namjoon did mistakes afterall he is human and capable of making mistakes. The difference is his growth. He acknowledged his mistakes, educated himself, focused on getting more cultural education, We all can see his growth through his actions throughout all this year's. Nowadays ppl are soo focused on "written apology" Instead of seeing his growth.
Namjoon has taught me that 'We do mistakes, learn from it, get educated on that matter and be better human' rather than being ignorant. I hope ppl stop putting him down and set him as grt example
My story about how Namjoon came to be my bias is a bit funny. I'm gonna preface this by stating that I am a black BTS fan. So when I discovered BTS back in the summer of 2015, I was enthralled and taken in by them. I had never seen a group of artists quite like BTS. They could actually rap and the songs were crazy good. Then one fateful day, I came across a video of Namjoon being colorist and it rocked my world as someone who was just starting to like them. I was already used to seeing stuff like that in Kpop but I genuinely felt hurt by him because I actually liked BTS. And so, I kept him at an arms length just to observe him....I felt like I didn't connect with him. Then he did a vlive that completely turned it around. He basically said that he had lived his life thinking his ideas of what was right was actually right and that he never quite thought about how his words or actions could hurt others. He was remorseful and said that he was reflecting on a lot in his life. To me, that meant so much, he didn't explicitly say what he was reflecting on but I saw him in a different light that day. The more I kept listening and watching him grow, the more he enamored me. Taking accountability for your thoughts and actions, actively reflecting and living a life that you preach? that is Namjoon and he is so admirable. He's my idol...someone I genuinely admire and look up to. He's not perfect, I don't need him to be so...he's just Namjoon, a good human.
People on twitter literally go as far as creating hate accs to solely post BTS past mistakes and comment them on every BTS related or BTS praised discussions. They are sick.
Not a black ARMY, but a young woman's opinion: I believe actions speak louder than words.
One of the many reasons I admire BTS - and Namjoon - is how they're humble and respectful.
At the end of the day, people's own interests being discussed on the internet through the lens of their favorite artists is each and every one's own problem. We're all accountable for our individual lives.
Humans are flawed. Respect, humbleness, acknowledgement and change are acts we all can do throughout our lives as to value others and ourselves.
Thanks once again for bringing such a great content, and for allowing those who have a say in the matter to have their voices heard.
If possible, can you give me the name and authors of the books you mentioned? I'm really interested in educating myself on the subject 😊
TL;DR: respect is an attitude, learn and grow!
moment of appreciation for the armies who sent in their messages to be used in the video!! 💜💜
The word "sorry" honestly holds no meaning in my dictionary. If a person dies cos of ur mistake and you say sorry, doesn't mean the person can be revived. A person can say sorry in a half assed manner, like how teenagers apologise to their parents when they are forced to say sorry. In my opinion, regret and growth can only be shown through ones actions, and Namjoon is the epitome for that. He has admitted to his mistakes in the blue house, during the UN interview. That interview will be aired on a global platform, and the fact that he fearlessly owned up to his mistakes shows a lot, like how amazing a human he is than most of these people who use him as a punching bag. For the people who still hold his mistakes on top of his head, please self reflect. Ask yourself what else can he do, or what else shd he do. He has shown his respect to black culture, through his fashion being heavily influenced by Lorenzo, or late Virgil, he has worded himself right, and caught himself and others in several occasions where is fans could be hurt. you all forget that namjoon was only 19 when he debuted. He was still young then, and only went along with this tide of people in the hip hop scene trying to get to the top. Doesn't mean he didn't make a mistake, he did, but he apologised and grew from it while y'all are still stuck in that phase of emotions. A person can only self reflect and grow, they can't go back in time and stop their actions.
Namjoon is honestly the best version of our species, regardless of gender. He was subjected to such hate, for them as a group and for himself as a person, at such a young age, he was asked to wear those hideous specs all the time coz his eyes were small apparently, and being the only English speaking member then, he was subject to all the hate from the international community. But he just said that he would show them, and he did. Which is why he will always remain my role model, in fashion, music, and lifestyle.
All of you hypocrites using him as an example can be stuck in your I am holier than thou phase and not grow.
To me a sorry is not enough but growth yes because sorrys can be used at any time when you don't mean it
Namjoon is the best example of a Perfect human being....
no he isnt, he is the best example of growth and maturity
Perfect people doesn't exist, stop idolize idols, they're just humans
@@embrasil Then why are they called idols? Stop being a fucking perfectionist police regarding words. You clearly don't understand the meaning/dynamic of praise or a compliment
no offense, but did u even actually watch the vid? namjoon is an example of a human, and humans are IMPERFECT. no matter how a person tries to go to the right path, in the process they will always do smth bad it may be intentional or not. namjoon is a perfect example of a human being, as well as change, growth, and maturity.
As a latina who learnt english only through media and not by actually being in the US, the accent that us non english speakers have is heavily influenced by what we consume, and i, as a person who from a very young age has followed hiphop culture, can recognize words and understand accents that are connected to said culture, so although i understand that 'blaccent' IS a thing and IS problematic, i do sometimes feel that people might not put themselves in his shoes as a non english speaker who grew up in an homogeneous country and learnt a lot through his respect and admiration of the hiphop culture.
Social media has glamorized the whole "apology video" thing to the point where it's a trend among youtubers, tiktokers, and anybody else who has had a problematic past or incident, and it's funny because the majority of those apologies are half-assed, ingenuine, and only done to save face. But people would rather accept that than somebody actively avoiding previous behavior and trying to become a better person. It's very strange to me. Namjoon, like so many of us was just an ignorant kid who clearly didn't know how his actions could impact others. It wasn't about him hating black people, it was him being inspired by black music and culture, just not in a very tasteful way. And look, us black folks aren't a monolith, we all think differently, and if there are black people who find what he did offensive, they're justified in that. But I think black kpop fans should be careful singling certain idols out when they themselves are usually fans of artists who have done the same if not worse. We can't be hypocrites. The best thing for ALL of us to do is educate and expose ourselves to different ethnicities and culture so we can have the sensitivity and avoid saying and doing things that are ignorant and offensive. One love🙏🏾💜
All of us know and understand that ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS and that is exactly what Namjoon's do. Use your past mistake as a lesson and learn from it, so you can be growth as a real person just like him 💜
Can we all take a moment to appreciate the amount of effort and research that went into this video? WE STAN.
This is very well produced, I am glad that you have make one. Especially helpful since BTS have grown exponentially globally in the past years. Some antis would purposely drag BTS with old videos & may mislead new black armies as if Namjoon have never change. He did, he learnt from past mistake and through his action we seen how much he have change.
Personally I would prefer to stan artists that acknowledge their mistake, learned from it and do not repeating it again rather than listen/watching half ass apology. Namjoon shown us; what growth is all about.
RM is a wonderful example of someone who is trying to make the world better. Respect!
Everyone knows He's The Best Leader Ever, He Deserves the Whole Universe, but we don't Deserve him.....
He has obviously learned from his past mistakes and has changed. Using him as an excuse is just wrong. I also think that ARMYs need to watch it when they decide to drag other groups and idols then claim BTS has never done problematic things. This is where I tend to see the “but Namjoon” comments the most.
*coughs* twitter ARMY's *coughs*
@@absolutelynotellen "BtS is ThE mOsT uNpRoBlEmAtC group to exist" this is where the but Namjoon can be brought in but it has to be brought in without bullying him
@@absolutelynotellen *cough* no
Every time an idol does something problematic THEIR fandom bring “but namjoon” instead of holding their fav accountable like army did back then and THEN twitter army gets involved.
@u-ae-na is it always bullying though. When some idol says the n word, are black k-pop stans not allowed to be offended just because they stan bts? It's not always 'writing pathetic things about other idols', rather calling them out.
I think a lot of people assume that just because an army is dragging some other idol for something problematic, they think that bts are unroblematic. Most people know they have a past. They've also showed positive changes Their past mistake shouldn't stop army from calling out others. Namjoon was dragged too when he fucked up.
First of all. Your channel as a space for education, mature discussion, and growth together as K-pop fans is amazing.
Second, I appreciate the thorough manner in which you educate yourself before seeking to educate us. I am impressed in every video by the depth of thought and care that you put into each topic.
Third, I loved the inclusion of other influencers and fans for a broader discussion of opinion in a safe and understanding environment.
Fourth, thank you for holding idols accountable for their mistakes. It is something that we as fans tend to struggle with, and I'm so inspired by your ability to hold them accountable without cancelling or hating on them.
And lastly, thank you for acknowledging their growth, but Namjoon's growth in particular. I know that I cannot accept or reject his apologies, as they were not directed to me. But I have seen him grow immensely in the time I have watched his work, and I am often distressed by the way he is quickly dismissed because of things in his past. His music alone shows deep change and sincere progress, and I'm so proud of how far he's come. So thank you for acknowledging his obvious desire to be a better man.
Your work is exceptional, and I look forward to each new topic you cover!
A side story - when you said the words bts hustle life... I had to pause your video because I had such a negative emotional response. I know some people loved it, but I didn't like watching it. I can't even really explain why, I just felt deeply uncomfortable. So I was really glad to hear you say that some people hate it, because I thought it was just me being uncomfy. 😂
RM incredibly multitalented hard working sweet warm gentle caring young man deserves a be respected and supported by the Fans. RM is a Human being whose can make mistakes.
bro this made my love of RM skyrocket
also respect for all the mature commenters here
I think the definition of an apology is what people are ignorant of.Taking responsibility and admitting you were wrong is an apology.As for those who take advantage of this in But Namjoon thing are still in the ugliness of anger.Instead of being blinded by anger they should have taken time to understand that it was Young RM'S lack of knowledge.He is educating himself and the boys.
I like that this video included everyone’s perspective, including those who don’t accept his “apology”. Like, I’m not black so I have no right to speak on this, but whenever I see people talking abt it it’s always swept under the rug only showing people who accepted his growth n stuff when the fact is not everyone thinks that way. A lot of people just don’t sit right with his past and were rlly hurt by it so people need to respect that yk
@Rajat singh you’re right I can see your point. I think there’s a difference between hating and not forgiving. If someone is hating on him I absolutely do not encourage that or tolerate it, but if someone doesn’t forgive bts it’s understandable
@Kitty S I completely agree with you, I wish the agencies would rlly educate their idols on cultural appropriation and other cultures, we all want to live in a world where everyone feels safe and respected yk so I totally agree with this
@Babybear exactly how I feel. My point was that most armies instantly defend them by showing comments or posts of black armies who forgave them. Which again great, but they use those comments to generalize an entire community’s feelings abt what they did yk and that’s not the great part, because there A LOT of people who did NOT forgive them, rightfully so, so you can’t just say “oh but [blank] forgave them” like ok? A bunch of other people didn’t so it doesn’t make what they did any better. That’s what I was saying yk
I know a lot of people have already said this but the difference between Namjoon and a lot of idols where the phrase 'but Namjoon' was used is that Namjoon was able to show that he had educated himself and reflect on his wrongful past. And not just once. And while people may choose not to forgive him, he doesn't deserve to be used as wall to protect other artists from the wrong they do when he has nothing to do with it.
And well I was going to go into just how much he has grown as a person but our lovely youtuber really said most of what I wanted to say anyway.
Namjoon was still an adolescent when he became the leader of BTS. He was still at the stage where he had the chance to learn and expand his knowledge. But rather than just knowing the meaning of his wrongful actions and doing nothing about it, he was willing to understand why he was wrong and how he could change that and he did.
I've seen people and known people who knew that what they were doing was wrong but continued to make the same mistakes and create the same problems time and time again even into adulthood. I've seen them say stuff about different cultures and different backgrounds knowing they were in the wrong and even when called out for it they shrugged it off and continued to belittle and insult other people. But instead of seeing those people who wouldn't change and wouldn't be willing to learn, people see Namjoon. Someone who definitely made some of the same mistakes. Someone who definitely said things that he had no right to say. But Namjoon(How Ironic)? When he realised that what he was saying and doing was wrong, he took time to learn and relearn everything he could in order to make sure that he didn't make the same mistake again. And not only that, he made sure that as leader, his group would not do what he did. And if that is not a good example of growth than idk what is.
So before y'all use the 'but Namjoon' phrase think about whether or not the one you are defending has shown that they are willing to change and to learn. 'But Namjoon' will not protect any of your faves from their own problematic behaviour no matter what you think.
*SAY IT LOUDER*
@@jzee3136 :)
As a black army it was hard at first to hear about all of his past mistakes but after seeing how he apologised and has grown into a more mature aware person I was able to forgive him and move on. I understand that what namjoon did came from ignorance and he took it upon himself to become educated which is the best he could have done. There are too many cases of cultural appropriation and racism in kpop by idols who are from the west and know what they're doing is racist because of where they grew up. Unfortunately they are the ones who get off easy because of company drafted apologies and delusional non poc fans, the same kpoppies who bring up but namjoon every chance they get. Like it or not namjoon was born in a country that is ignorant to other cultures, however some of these other idols stan twt tries so desperately to defend are making the same mistakes over and over again whilst being from the US are straight up racist and they should know better.
I'm not black but I grew up in Asia, so I can give some perspective of why it will take time for cultural appropriation issue in K-POP industry to improve
Not gonna say that K-POP artists problem regarding cultural appropriation is not wrong, but in Asia 'Cultural appropriation' is not a thing and not even taught in school. I don't even know what it is until I stumble upon it pass my 20s on internet and I have to understand English on certain level in order to get the context as well (majority of people with English as second language will not be able to get it).
It took me a while to get why it is such a serious topic in the West, but that's because I consume a lot of Western media like news and shows. And I even need to do research further in order to understand why it's a sensitive issue in the West too. In everyday life 'Cultural appropriation' is not something I think about at all living in Asia (my parents who understand English does not even know what it is until I talk about it too). So I understand why it's a topic that not many people living in Asia will think that it's something to be educated on.
There is also the opposite mindset that want as many foreigner or outsider to appreciate our culture as much as possible since that can bring in tourism and income. It also made many of us proud that others have taken interested in our culture. So seeing foreigner in our traditional outfits and using our cultural products are a positive thing. It is more likely that the locals will be happy to see foreigner in our traditional garb than to think that it's cultural appropriation since most people here don't even know what the latter is or even if they know they may not understand why that is a problem. We are more likely to get confuse if those foreigner get angry for us and say that it should not be done because it can be consider 'Cultural Appropriation'.
Imagine my Asian parents being very happy to seeing Ashley a white women wearing our traditional outfit, then try to explain to them why that can make other white people get angry at her for 'cultural appropriation'. You will see the real life meme of 'DOES NOT COMPUTE'. If you keep living in this environment then it will never occur to you at all that 'Cultural Appropriation' is something you need to be educated on
I'm not saying that this sentiment works everywhere, but that should inform you what kind of mindset we have in many Asia countries that made it's hard to really understand why cultural appropriation is something we should be educated on if we want to tab into the Western market.
I'm not saying this excuse K-Pop industry. I even agree that they should be educated on this serious subject, but it will take time since most people don't even get why it's important or know the existence of this issue yet.
Same with us, we also like it when foreigners (like tourist) try our traditional clothes, eat our traditional foods, etc. But i think this is more to "cultural appreciation", rather than appropiation. Because we are happy when seeing those foreigners are happy with our culture. But, i am sure it will be different if those foreigners insult our culture or claimed our culture as theirs. It is same for everyone but i think, most people (like in Asia) just don't know / ignorant that the others (black people) also feel the same as us.
I think there are lines when it steps over to appropriation. I think some artists or maybe their teams think “this is cool and black” so let’s do that.., it gives Koreaboo or weiabo vibes. Like wearing doo rags or braids. It seems to feel like a disconnection of black artists and people from their humanity- making them solely objects of cool.
Then there’s black face and other things… to much to discuss here. But I think the biggest mistake that K-pop artists make ( which is different from what Western artists do, which is more insidious) is objectify blackness.
As a Georgian I had no idea CA was a thing until I made twitter acc which was like two years ago and in my country whenever foreigner wears our traditional clothes and in general shares our culture everyone appreciates it ,so I genuinely didn't understand why wearing dreads or braids were offensive and disrespectful to black people and I'm sure most of the people in my country still don't know what CA is eventhough its 2022 and everyone has access to internet.
i don't think that sharing culture is bad, and I'd be ok with seeing ppl wearing our hairstyles/clothes if we were in an equal society. but when you grew up seeing your brothers and sisters being bullied for wearing the same hairstyles, called "ghetto and ratchet" for dressing the same, it's harder for me to see other ppl wear that without facing the same hate. even more when they don't know the meaning behind it and think it's just a "trend" (which is why there's a difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation). society is changing and when the black community will get the recognition we deserve, I will not have problem with it.
I was really happy when I found out you were getting the input of black kpop fans on the issue of Namjoon. This issue is very nuanced in the sense that Namjoon's past atrocities were weaponized to attack BTS and black kpop fans- specifically black armys but were only brought up conveniently and never talked about in an objective instead of malicious intent. I take offense when nonblack armys and kpop fans try to tell black armys/kpop fans to stop being angry about something that has nothing to do with them. It is time that we realize that Namjoon is not the same person he was back then. But, it simply can't be forgotten. Like Namjoon said, the person he was yesterday still makes him the person he is today. People can change, but that does not erase the pain he inflicted on his black fans. Namjoon is absolutely a scapegoat that kpop fans use to take jabs at BTS- as if CA isn't a problem within all of kpop. By always using "But Namjoon-", they claim they're just giving awareness to the issue but in actuality, they're just putting more fuel to the fire. So now, instead of actually taking meaningful action in educating on and dismantling harmful stereotypes, we're having a piss fest on who's the "least problematic". It reminds me of the song UGH! We're yelling at each other when we should be working together to stop the rampant CA in kpop once and for all.
Unfortunately, it's not just Namjoon. Bangchan from Stray Kids is currently also becoming a punching bag in this kpop community as well. It's messed up.
As well as Taeyong.
Everytime an Idol has an scandal, I see people bringing Tae, Nam and/or Chan into the conversation to make the mistake look "less problematic"
Instead holding their idols responsible, they try to direct the issue to somebody else.
@@relatableusername bringing them in will just make them look dumb and I've not seen any recent ignorant scandal from them even though they didn't apologize except Chan because he grew and apologized but people act like Chan never apologized in his entire life. They just show a leader should be mature and be exemplary because they are what represents a group like Chan, RM and TY are the faces of the group and I don't mean visual wise but the way people see the group
we dont care ... its not about him
@@jiminnor3235 Just how we don't care about you?
We don't claim you
This is an individual that has clearly tried to be a better person, has showed remorse & grow & learn from mistakes.
Thank you so much for making a video on this topic and making a lot of things clear and most importantly talking about this whole "But Namjoon" thing and discussing the hypocrisy of kpop stans also it's really nice to see black people giving their opinions and thoughts on this topic and not some one culturally insensitive kpoppie who only brings up the topic of racism when it's to drag them down and yes their past mistakes should not be hidden or swept under the rug but their growth and improvement shouldn't be degraded either
I have seen you in alot on videos like this about namjoon you probably have been tired by this I think yet you're really really respectful even to haters I admire you for that tho :)
@@oliviaaurora3954 Aww thanks 💜💜💜
i think bighit doesnt allow their artist to apologize which explains why rm vlive apology was so vague-he can't directly say what he's sorry for but he at least wants to hint he does regret his past. As for his past actions it's really due to ignorance not racism-he grew up in a homogenous country so he didnt know certain things were offensive like CA, 'talking black as a talent' and colorism (which is something extremeley normalized in asia and im speaking as a south asian). i hope one day rm address his racism past more specifically sorta like his un interview (the one about misogny)
It does not really apply to bighit
bighit does allow their artists to apologize, there have been numerous times BTS and bighit apologized for certain things (example: the jim jones incident)
@@raspberrytaegi not rlly..theres an actual video of yoongi mixing the jim jones sample in it was in the bring the soul movie (literally the movie is on youtube). yet what did BH do again? just shifted the blame on some random producers (when yoongi the exec producer of the album) and called it a day. just shows u that even if bh apologizes, it's them and never the artist themselves!!!
@@seokiology if you read the bighit statement, it contains an apology (or "regretful acknowledgement") from yoongi himself. the clip of yoongi working on wdyt from the movie doesn't prove that he selected the sample and that bighit therefore "shifted blame" (not defending him, just stating facts). it's totally fine to not accept their apologies, but bighit's policy around them is to _include_ apologies (or "regretful acknowledgements") from the artist, not ban them, as has been shown time and time again
"but Namjoon" is just the tip of the iceberg on a very easy to identify issue: kpop attracts many people who are searching for a place to belong and joining in on any outrage = how they think they can belong. In reality they don't care about the issue they are angry about most of the time.
I can't tell you how many hate videos I have come across regarding namjoon and his past and how people say he has t apologised or that his apology is never good enough. And they talk nonestop about "accountability" he's been taking it for years. This is the only video I have seen actually sticking up for him. Thank you for this.
This came up randomly in my recommendations and I'm glad I checked it out. Thank you for a thoughtful discussion, and making it a priority to amplify the voices of Black fans.
thank you for making this. i literally have no words..this is such a well made video, thank you for speaking up about this.
honestly, the black accent thing maybe a hint of it I guess. But it does make sense, South Korea isn't an English-speaking country, i.e it's not their first language. The content you consume shapes up how you speak and he has come forward with his love for rap and soul music which is predominantly occupied with black artists. Bashing someone for their accent is not cool.
It’s reallly funny to me because these ppl stan sm artists ( who did way worse than him and continue these days.) and will not hesitate to throw antiblackness on black armys on a daily reminding them on traumatic events just because they’re armys.
The thing that stands out and lasts is actual change. Their faves apologized directly - sure let's give them that - but it ends there. A year later they do it again and call it a mistake. Making or doing racists things in different forms. The apologies are lies at this point. They say sorry because there's outrage not because they acknowledged it. Let's not kid ourselves. Sigh.
Kpop has a few punching bags who always, even if it's not wrong, they'll get hated. These people are:-
1) Namjoon
2) Jennie
3) Chan
2) ENHYPEN
the fact that people are more worried in bringing up namjoon's mistakes instead of holding idols accountable just proves that kpoppers are losing their humanity. they don't give a shit about racism, misogyny, etc. their hatred for bts is more important.
and ngl, that's VERY scary
You've done an amazing job in discussing and clarifying about this whole issue and Yes Namjoon have grown into an amazing human and thats what matters
I have so many thoughts on the "But Namjoon" trope but I'll just stick to two of them. First of all, as a fairly new army, it was very disappointing to discover the past mistakes and wrong behaviours from him and the group in general. But I also have many years to look back on and see how much growth Namjoon has shown. To see where he started to where he is now is actually very inspiring. He's the living proof people can hold themselves accountable, learn from their mistakes and change. The fact that in his video, he acknowledge that the impact of his words and behavior is more important than his intentions tells me eveything about the kind of human being he is. When usually people are quick to say "I'm sorry but it wasn't my intention to...", he knows that at the end of the day, his intentions don't make it any less hurtful.
The "But Namjoon" excuse is not doing what you think it's doing for your problematic faves because it shows a changed man while you're hiding your idols and sheltering them, therefore stopping them from growing and learning.
Second of all, it IRKS me to my core to see people "But Namjoon" everytime their idols does something racist or racially insensitive. You're basically showing that you don't care about black people or black kpop fans feelings unless it serves you. You're using the real hurt caused by someone's past and weaponizing black people's pain to divert from your idol misbehaviour. For me, it renders your whole argument invalid. In that moment, you're worst, much worst, than past Namjoon. Black people are not a tool for you to defend your faves. You can not suddenly pretend to care about black people's feelings when it comes to Namjoon while refusing to acknowledge your faves anti-blackness. I repeat : we are not tools, we are not weapons, we shall not be used or riled up into being angry and fighting your battles only to protect your ignorant idols.
You can be a fan of someone and hold them accountable. You can be a fan and refuse to defend ignorant actions. You can let your faves hold their L and hope they'll learn from it. The moment you decide to compromize your morals to defend racism or cultural/racial insensitivity or ignorance, you're no better than said idol, you're no better than past Namjoon. If anything it's funny you'd have the audacity to bring his name into it because unlike him, you stay doing it and show no sign of growth.
What bad behavior. Kpop brainwashed you. BTS never did anything wrong
@@LynnHermione I mean it with respect but that statement is absolutely stupid. The idea that 7 people who grew up in front of cameras and when from boys to men on a public stage never made any mistake is outlandish. Of course they did some things wrong and I wouldn't expect them not to. They're humans before being idols. Just search Adeola Ash on TH-cam. She has two videos listing their past mistakes. Like I said, I'm more so here for their growth but don't be one of those blind fans who defend their idols through right or wrong. You can love someone and still disagree with their actions. Think for yourself because you're the one who sound brainwashed and it's worrying
@@noriawawa9073 I've been little mix fan since 2015/16 and Jesy biased. She faced similar backlash and my stance was the exact same. It's not just the actions, it's the way you respond to people being hurt by them and trying to talk yo you about it that shows me your character. I've never been so much of a fan of someone to the point of blind adoration. I have certain values and I try to keep them as much as possible when it comes to supporting or not certain artists. On the same note, I'm not that into kpop and even in the other media I consume, I do not put my energy into bashing idols or artists. I removed my support, read the discussion happening around the topic and keep it moving. You can not force idols or bully them into being better people so save your time and energy and pour it into whoever you actually like. But that's just me 🤷🏾♀️
People are from different places and cultures. And many times we don't know that our actions are wrong. I myself am from Asia, South Asia to be specific and from what I've seen around me, most people are not aware about these issues. The only place where we learn about racism is probably a small chapter in our Political Science or History textbook. Beyond that, there is no other exposure to Black history. I myself didn't know many things, I didn't know hip hop was originally created by black people, I didn't know it's wrong to do braids. I didn't even know that there is something called cultural appropriation. I didn't even know what the n-word is or that people who aren't black shouldn't use it. I learned about all of this when I was 16. There are still many things I don't know.
I am not defending anyone, but my point is that many a times mistakes do happen because of lack of knowledge and ignorance. We are human beings, we do wrong things, what's important is to learn from them, educate ourselves and not repeat it again.
I really appreciate all the effort and research you put in this video! One of the reason why I subscribed to your channel! You nice, keep going! Sonyeonstan fighting! 💜
As a black ARMY I just want to say that the "But Namjoon..." issue I don't take it that badly.I'm not saying that he never made a mistake about black culture or anything, the thing that people need to understand is that he and K-Pop idols in general are humans that they don't have the science, they don't always know everything and we don't really blame them too much for that, especially in a medium like K-pop where we know all the companies have all the power over the lyrics of the idols. I'm not saying that what they are doing is not serious but it's a little bit boring for the person to claim his past mistakes and to repeat them again and again because it's obvious that he is trying to grow up if he hasn't already. This type of scandal haters like to use to castigate idols, it's not good to say that it's not excusing me in my opinion recognizing his wrongs is the most complicated there with this situation we have exceeded the stage of racism or "cultural appropriation is just a way to descend and without lying I find it shameful, We do the same thing to Lisa from BLACKPINK I'm slightly fed up with using our culture to find all the pretexts to bring down an idol.
I'm done if you've read all my blabla so far you're determined! Ah and personally I think that the N word is a bit ridiculous, in fact it makes me laugh, tell it like it is or don't tell it at all;;; Have a nice day
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Actions speak louder than words and BTS have proven that time and time again. Stop asking for these idols apologies because I have seen some idols apologize and yet still do problematic things. I don’t think Namjoon was ever racist I just think it came out of a place of ignorance . It’s now 2021( the end of) stop living in the past and leave him alone .
Perfect Name for this star.
Loved this video!! 👏🏾👏🏾💜
A person does something wrong, his fans defending him saying ' but someone did it already'. It doesn't matter if RM did anything or no, that is not the reason you do something wrong and you defend yourself!!
Thank you so much for making this video💜💜
It had everything I wanted to say to those hater who always drag namjoon unnecessarily.
This video was extremely well done. Like you mention at the end of the video, I have always considered Namjoon as a positive example of how people can learn and grow from their past mistakes. I think it’s sad that so many people on the Internet refuse to acknowledge that educating oneself and changing one’s behaviour is a proof of willingness to become a better person.
Quick question, when Namjoon was making these bad decisions and people were offended, who was the idol used to justify his actions??? Was there anyone going "But [insert idol name]"? I'm just curious. How do people think it's acceptable to bring up another person to justify the bs someone did? Each individual person should be held accountable for thier own actions.
Thank you for enlightening me about the situation I’m a black ARMY but didn’t know to much about what happened and now I know a lot more so I thank you once again
Such a great video, so happy someone spoke about this!
Namjoon is not responsible for the behavior of other idols. Hes responsible for his own actions.... you could argue that the so called apology armys talk about wasn't actually an apology (which I agree with) but him apologizing or not has nothing to do with what other idols have done. It's not his problem when other idols have done something problematic. Hes not responsible for the rest of the industry and its actions. He literally has no control over what other idols do. If you ask me, the but namjoon statement is immature. Like the people that use this statement in my eyes don't actually care for the issue and don't sympathize with the people affected by racism. They only use this statement when someone they like is under fire for something. They don't actually take into account how the idols actions and behavior affect people. They just want their favourite idol to get away with it because they think namjoon got away with what he did. If you ask me, namjoon never got away with it and there are people who can't forgive him which is understandable. He knows that there are people who can't forgive him and it's entirely up to you personally whether you choose to forgive him or not. However, canceling him or sending him death threats is not the way to go. This is simply just hate being fought with more hate. Pulling the but namjoon card and hating on him fixes nothing. It's incredibly immature and is no better than the initial problematic things that were committed.
This video is very essential. I'm glad you made it.
I don't understand why people use "but Namjoon" when someone tries to point out e.g. racist actions because yes, Namjoon did mistakes and messed up but that does not excuse the action that the idol did. Like, why are we bringing Namjoon up when we are clearly talking about someone else?
So basically... But Namjoon apologizes, learns, changes and does better every time, the hardest thing anyone can do because pride doesn't let you move forward. I love him so much and I think someone like him should rule the world 💜
When a child makes a mistake adults teach them the right thing and then forgive them, but when it comes to and idol who is a minor people will go out of their way to hate on them.
Namjoon is better than the whole kpop category, should have stayed hip hop
k hip-hop also a mess
@@moonlight2855 nah i aint talking about k hiphop I actually mean real rap
@@runchranda9430 ah ok . sorry then
I think so too. I think he deserves a break from all of this toxic industry
i really like this video and honestly think that a lot of people need to see this. yes, he did mistakes and yes, you don’t need to forgive him but he has grown vastly as a person and educated and improved himself. and actions speak louder than words.
Not only he did his apology by himself (live too! Not an apps note) he had to bend the sistem (with his big brain) to adress it back in 2017 right in the middle of bts big rise in america.
Dont ppl recognise that in his position no idol other than him would have done that. None!
As a black army to me that was an apology and i forgive him.