Project/Intersect sketches explained in more detail - th-cam.com/video/WAs144r-Xko/w-d-xo.html - *TIMESTAMPS* 0:00 - 3D Model an Auger Bit in Fusion 360 1:03 - New component 1:46 - Create a pipe 3:54 - Create a coil 5:45 - Project coil sketch 6:14 - Plane along a path 7:21 - Create a spiral sweep 8:11 - Loft to point 9:31 - Add a chamfer 10:27 - Add red polished steel
I'm sure I speak for many, when I say, I would love to understand why some things like "project/include" need to be done and what is happening when you do? otherwise your the best and thank you so much!
Just a quick tip for anyone stuck on the lofting part: There’s an option in the intersect project panel where you can select Body. After selecting it you can project the bottom of the cylinder and create a loft with that projection.
Been really enjoying your tutorials so far, thank you so much! Managed to do this one just fine but there were some points in there where I was thinking "what am I actually doing?" It would be good to have a little more explanation as to what exactly is going on when choosing some of the tools/options so we know *why* a certain tool/option is chosen. I'm sure this will come with practice though!
I had a strong resistance against Fusion360, in great part due to the poor teaching experience I had from a friend. This series made me not only overcome this resistance, but also embrace Fusion360 as one of the main tools in my workflow. Thanks a lot, man!!
At least for me, I feel like I get more out of Kevin's tutorials by watching the entire thing first and then trying to replicate it; rather than trying to follow along at breakneck speed as I did for the first 10 days.
I have been following the tutorials in this series and I want to leave a comment to mark this as the point where i feel extremely confident and have started several of my own small projects which i completed with ease and little time. Your tutorials are excellent! I look forward to finishing the series.
Great lessons, i got stuck on the loft function for a while, didnt do anything. so i figured revolve and a triangle would do the trick. feels really good when solving problems with what ive learned instead of just copy/paste the videos. Love this 30 day series!
Hi, Samuel. That's great! I'm happy to see that you're retaining the information and re-applying some of the core concepts in your own way. Keep it up! Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Thank you so much for this great series! I am really enjoying these lessons, and am amazed at what I can do with this software already. I was also having a hard time with the loft tool. I think the problem lies with the pipe. Looking closely at the end of the pipe, the exterior seems to be a very rough circle, more like an 18 sided polygon. the problem seemed to be when I chose the two circles to project, the outer circle was much higher resolution, leaving gaps between the pipe, and the circle. I am assuming that makes it not a solid selection. I'm not really sure, but it worked after I messed with it a bit, so I guess that had something to do with it. hopefully that will help someone. Do you know why the pipe would have been made with so few sides? The internal circle seemed smooth?
@@rikcollins4447 As far as I'm aware, there is no alternative pipe. The only thing I can think of is it may have been an issue with the graphics card or possibly another bug with the software. What machine are you running Fusion 360 on? Does your computer meet or exceed the minimum requirements? productdesignonline.com/tips-and-tricks/system-requirements-for-autodesk-fusion-360/ Cheers, Kevin :)
Quick tip for people who can't create it with the loft option: Go to Project / include -> Intersect. Select the bottom from the pipe. Than select Loft and and click on the point.
your tutorials are the perfect balance of information vs. brevity, which makes me very happy. Correct pace, great examples, and you show a great respect to the audience's capacity to understand what you're doing without wasting time. Thank you very much. I do have a question though, regarding the app / file system in Fusion 360. I'm currently on a free "startup" license. I don't have a problem paying (outright) for software, however, if I get the full version, am I able to use the app "off the grid"? I mean, can I store Fusion 360 documents as regular files in MacOS, just I would for a EPS or SVG file? I can't actually see where the files are currently stored. I get really uneasy when I have to rely on a network connection in order to work or access my files.
Hi Michael - thanks for the kind words. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment on my tutorials! In regards to storing files on your computer, I'll try to address some of the common workflows/concerns: When you hit the save button inside of Fusion 360, your files are stored on the cloud, which can be accessed by visiting A360. However, a locally cached version is also saved - but the cache will be deleted after a certain amount of time. This amount of time is defined in your Fusion 360 Preferences > General tab > "Offline cache time period day(s)." Your cached files can be accessed on your local machine, should you need to work offline. On MacOs, your cached F360 the files are stored in a folder that is hidden by default - Here's an Autodesk help article that explains how to locate the folder - knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-locate-locally-cached-files-in-Autodesk-Fusion-360.html The cached files are the .F3D (Fusion 360 archive files). You can copy and paste them to other folders on your Mac. Additionally, if you want to store specific design files then you can always export them from your Fusion 360 data panel. If you plan on working offline and want to make sure a file is cached, especially a file that you haven't worked on in a while, then you can right click on the file in your data panel and select "add to offline cache." OR simply export the file to your local machine as you are able to import/upload files to Fusion 360 without an internet connection - just note that they won't back up to the cloud until you are reconnected to the internet. I hope this clears some things up! Let me know if you have any questions after reading this. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thanks, Jonny Johnson! I truly appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Every comment real does help! ;) And...of course, please don't hesitate to comment on any of my videos in the future if you do have any questions. Cheers, Kevin :)
This one was the hardest to follow, so far in this series. Had to slow down the playback speed to get it right.. I succeeded but felt like I didnt actually understand why and what I was doing.. I will revisit this video later and see if remaking it will make me understand it better... Thanks through for a very good video, you are the best!
Hello Kevin, this series of tutorials have been one of the most helpful I have encountered as of yet on youtube. The very fact that you are sharing your knowledge and expertise that too for free is really commendable. As for this video it is most challenging one so far as there were a few new tools and concepts that I had to wrap around my head, nothing that rewatching the video multiple times didnt solve. Very interesting approach and i really like the speed at which you explained. Wish you the very best in all your further endeavors !!
ive worked through up to day 12. I quite like you little course. im glad you made it. your teaching method is quite good and doing all these little projects gets makes the prog become familiar with out getting boring. your voice is some times a bit flat though sounds like your reading off cue cards, but at least nice and clear and slow enough to catch what your saying.
Hi, Neil. Thanks for your feedback. I'm always looking at ways to improve the audio and I'll take this into consideration while I record future lessons. Don't hesitate to comment if you run into any roadblocks. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thanks, Erkan AĞIR! I'm glad you're enjoying them. Please don't hesitate to comment questions on the tutorials as you work through the remainder of the series. Cheers, Kevin :)
First of all thank you very much for amazing videos! I will follow this to the end and I am subscribing now :) I had difficulties creating that last circle as it would always go on the bottom of the drawing. I solved this by clicking on the top of the "screw" and created an offset plane.
Thanks, Balleknack! I'm happy to hear you are enjoying my videos. In regards to the difficulty creating the last circle... I'm not sure why that was, but way to come up with a viable solution on your own!! Please don't hesitate to comment any questions as you work through the remainder of the series. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you Kevin for this series! I'm really enjoying it so far. I had a question regarding the project to surface tool you used for the coil - it involved choosing a surface to project on (5:52), and you chose the XY plane i believe. How did this result in the helical sketch being projected around the surface of the pipe and not on the XY plane like an orthographic 2D projection? This confused me. Hope you can clarify, thanks!
Hi Palash. That's a great question. When you "Project to a Surface" you can project the geometry of 3-dimensional shapes. You still need to select a plane that the sketch is created on, but it essentially creates a 3-dimensional sketch. If you check on your setting in your preferences dialog you can actually create 3D sketches while sketching out geometry. However, 2-dimensional sketches are usually sufficient. Most of the time you'll be needing to project sketches...you'll find yourself only needing 2-dimensional projections. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline I'm still mystified by this. How did specifying a plane to project on cause the coil to be projected around a cylindrical surface? I would have expected to have to select the pipe surface at some point. Can you provide some more detail about this?
I realize the interface has changed a lot since this was made, but I didn't understand the part about making a profile for the loft at all. The rest of the video was pretty cool. thanks!
Thank you Product Design Online ( Kevin ) I have watched this video and almost model this auger bit, I was not able to do lofting to a point at that offset plane I would do this some day
Finally have it. Made a mistake doing the sweep. I had selected "Sweep + guide rail, instead of guide face. I'm still not sure about how I did some of it. Thank you for doing these tutorials!!!!!
Hi, fairwindsii. Can you please share a link to your file so I can take a look? Share your public link as a reply to this comment. Here's a video explaining how to share a public link - th-cam.com/video/2XrcrdV-8Ls/w-d-xo.html Then, please write a separate comment letting me know you've replied with a link because TH-cam flags most links and I don't always get notified. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi, LIWEI YU. You should see three options under the sweep command. Here's what I'm seeing with the latest version of Fusion 360 - snipboard.io/BDi7Y0.jpg Let me know if you still don't see it. Cheers, Kevin :)
As always - great instruction. I can replicate what you do but still struggling to know what's happening during the projection at 5:57 (even after looking at your supplemental video on project/include). By picking the coil for both the face AND the curve, are you projecting the curve of the coil onto the surface of the coil? Where is the "curve" of the coil - the center line? Since this ends up being a 3d sketch, does it matter which plane you select to start the sketch? When projecting onto the surface of the coil - why does the projection end up on the outside? Why didn't you project to the surface of the pipe - wouldn't that be clearer?
Thanks Kevin, these are proving to be some of the best Fusion 360 tutorials I've ever tried. In the newer interface I can't seem to access some commands, such as 'project/include', without first manually creating a sketch. Is that a change, or am I missing something?
It's fast paced but, I'm sure for some things just begin to click and further attempts and you start to have a second nature of what to do next. For me the biggest suspense was finding out about the new sweep functions... Amazing, on to the next
Excellent series of videos 👍👍👍, clever workaround with the coil tool. Including a bit of your bloopers will make it fun, and encourage newcomers. The awesome thing with fusion 360 it pushes you find solutions on the road from A to B.
Very useful tutorials! Thanks for them. One slight criticism - consider telling us not only how, but why, you're doing something. For example, in this video, when you use "intersect" to project the circle on the bottom of the pipe. What exactly does this do and why is it needed? Thanks again.
Michael Shannon - Thanks, great feedback! I have been getting better at trying to make sure I also explain "why." With that said, sometimes I have to omit it to not get too sidetracked, especially in some of these longer tutorials. I have on the to-do list to do a whole video on all of the different "project" features because I've found they are really confusing to new years. My goal is to eventually have enough videos that if I can't explain why in that particular tutorial I can link to another video that does go more in depth. Thanks again for watching & commenting!!! Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you very much for your videos, I am following step by step all of them. I had to admit I struggled a lot on a couple of them. I found workarounds for my issues (thanks to the comments of other followers and yours). Still having problem with this one. I do not understand the "intersect" step and I am not able to execute it with success. Thank you for your help.
Marco Comparato - Thanks for commenting & following along with the series!! What is tripping you up with the intersect step?? Are you referring to the project to surface in order to make the helix path? Please elaborate on your questions so I can help you. Cheers, Kevin :)
Sorry for not being clear, I forgot there was another intersect operation. I am talking about the intersection of the base of the pipe followed by the loft command. Just after minute 8. Thanks for the incredibly fast response.
No worries! You'll want to make sure to hold down the shift key and select the to circular entities at the bottom of the pipe. Then, when you use the "intersect" project feature in the sketch dropdown list (sketch > project folder > intersect) it will re-create the lines on the surface chosen, which is why I chose the bottom of the pipe as the surface. This basically is a faster way to create those two circles than creating a sketch on the bottom of the pipe and selecting the circle sketch feature and creating the circles one by one. As far as the loft command, I created an offset plane in order to create a point to loft to. Then the loft can easily be created by selecting the circle sketch as the first "profile" and selecting the point as the second "profile." I hope this answers your question?? If not, I'm happy to elaborate more on something else. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Probably my error was to choose the xz plane as the surface for the intersect command. I always got an empty sketch. Tomorrow I'll try to choose the bottom of the pipe, as you suggest. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again.
Another great tutorial, thanks a lot Kevin. In the video, at around 7:33 you say "you can see that it doesn't have enough to create the sweep", what does that mean? How do you know it doesn't have enough create the sweep?
Thanks, Ken! Great question. I'll have to make a video solely covering the sweep command to discuss more of this in detail. In short, the "single path" method only works with closed profiles (as the profile) and simple geometry paths that are on a FLAT planar surface. The key thing here is that this sweep was following a 3-dimensional sketch (the helix) so we needed to define that guide surface (the cylinder). I hope that clarifies it a bit. Cheers, Kevin :)
Neat! It was very simple and easy to understand. I followed all the steps you showed I got it right, but after everything I wasn't able to fillet any of the edges of the helix, how do I add fillets to them?
Hi, Rahul M.R. Did it give you a specific error message when trying to apply fillets? You should be able to add them, however, the thickness of the helix is very thing. The thickness is 3.5mm high. You won't be able to apply a fillet radius of more than 1.75 to the edge. Cheers, Kevin :)
I am following your series of videos. There are really helpful. I got a doubt: Why did you have to use Single Path+Guide Surface for using sweep command??Why didn't just single path work?
Hi, Vishnu. That is a great question! In this scenario, it is because of the spiral helix. Fusion 360 doesn't know how the profile shape should sweep around the spiral, since its twist and turns into so many directions. By giving F360 that extra input of data of the guide surface it is able to understand that we want the profile to follow the spiral helix and remain touching the guide surface. Ultimately, it comes down to the complexity of the sweep you are trying to complete. In general, simple sweeps just need the single path, more complex sweeps need more data to complete (guide rail) and very complex sweeps such as this need the guide surface. I hope this helps! Cheers, Kevin :)
The loft command didn't work for me.. but i used a different way to do it. I created a new sketch connecting our point with the bottom face circle , creating a nice triangle. Lastly, i used the revolve command to make the cone shape for the dust. it seems fine to me but i dont know if there is a big difference between the loft command and what i did. Thanks for the videos !
Hi, stavros Rife. That sounds like a great solution! My way of "doing it" in this video is by now way the only way to do it... and exploring alternatives is a great way to learn and progress your CAD skillset. Keep it up! Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi Stavros Rife, I ran into the same issue as you where I couldn't make the loft work for me, but your solution did. Thanks, and like Kevin said there's more than one way to do things and I appreciate your sharing.
thanks kevin for making such a beautiful and easy to understand series ,i just happened to have a doubt at 9:22 ,I'm not able to use loft command over here in my fusion 360 . it shows an "compute error" when I follow the steps u told . however, its possible to get the cone body by setting the operation to new body in loft command
Kevin, when we loft to a point, around the 9:17 mark, should we getting the walls of the pipe to come to a point or a solid cone? I had to follow Jae Kim's advice to get the loft to work. I did a section analysis and found that the loft produced a solid cone.
Hey Kevin, thank you for great video! Is the any way to draw coil that does only one rotation around the shaft , but draw it using sheet metal tools, so I could get a flat pattern after for cnc plasma??? Thanks again
Hey Kevin, I'm sure a lot of us are confused on how and where you get your numbers from when modeling. Many times, your parts fit together perfectly with seemingly random numbers. Do you use references or is it just trial and error? I'd love to know!
Thanks for the feedback, Samarth! That's a great question. For this series, I used a lot of reference images... I try to explain where the numbers come from in my newer/latest videos :)
This was an interesting tutorial. When I finished, I tried the section analysis tool (presented in last tutorial) and it didn't seem to show thickness of the tip of the drill. I'm curious if I messed up that part somehow?
Hi Richard, can you double-check that you used the SOLID modeling loft command (blue loft icon) when you created the tip? If you used the SURFACE loft command (orange loft icon) then it would create a surface with no real thickness. Let me know if that was it. Otherwise, I'd be happy to take a look at your file. Cheers, Kevin :)
Great video! I seem to have trouble understanding what the 'project' function does in the sketch menu. Couldn't you have made an offset plane directly from the face of the bottom of the pipe?
Hi, Tesla 5869. I have a video that discusses the project command in more detail - th-cam.com/video/WAs144r-Xko/w-d-xo.html In short, projecting to the end of the pipe recreated the circle geometry on the end of the pipe, without having to create a new sketch on the end and draw each circle one-by-one. The general idea with the project command is to "project" the geometry from existing surfaces to the desired surface to save time from having to create it again. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hmmm. Can you post a pic or your file in the community space? This ones hard to say as it could be a number of things. One thing to check - make sure 'chaining' is not selected in the Chamfer dialog.
Hi Luuk. I had a worst problem, where the chamfer wouldn't accept any distance value. I solved it by going back to the timeline and re-editing the Plane Along Path feature (6:12). I increased the distance from 0.039 (per de video) to around 0.056. Then the chamfer worked perfectly. Hope this helps anyone.
FOR ALL UPDATED USERS. You can just adjust the shape of the spiral in the spiral settings, you do not need to extrude to a second point like he did in this video.
Thanks for this great video. it gave me a great insight to lot of the design mechanics to fusion 360! I just have one question. When I design the helix, i get some line patterns over it after i make the finish and I'm unsure how to get rid of those. How would I fix this issue? Thanks
It sounds like a difference with your "visual style" settings. Head down to the bottom of Fusion 360 where you see the desktop monitor icon that is labeled "Display Settings." From there, hover over the visual style flyout and select "shaded." Yours is likely set to "Shaded with Visual Edges Only." Let me know if that was it! Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi, thanks for the tutorials. I have a problem adding the chamfer. It says that I have to adjust the size or deselect some of the edges. Would you please tell me what is it about?
Hi, Abdulaziz Kadri. That error message is due to the chamfer size being great than the size of the surface you're trying to apply it to. If you're entering the same chamfer size that I entered then you may have an additional edge or edges selected. I would suggest trying again and make sure you only have one edge selected. If that doesn't work let me know. Cheers, Kevin :)
Can someone explain how exactly the guide surface affects the sweep command? I don't understand what the bottom face of the pipe has to do with the resulting spiral.
Great videos. I had to figure out the auger end, and will be trying out the commented part on a sample drawing later on. One question I have though , I notice that on some drawings you use Z axis up to start, and Y axis up on others to start. Is there reason for this? Thanks.
Hi Scott, I always record my tutorials with Fusion 360 default settings. The settings change from time to time. For many years the default was to have the y up, then they changed it to Z up (which is more widely used)... So the newer tutorials all have Z up
Hi Jaime. Thanks for watching! I have a playlist of the 30-day series, so you can watch them in order. You can find that on the Playlists tab on my channel or here - bit.ly/learn-fusion360 I release a new video every week on Fridays (unless otherwise noted). Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you so much for these tutorials, I am having 2 errors during loft, the message says : 1) Cannot create ttool body for loft 2) Loft cannot be created, try changing inputs etc. I am using latest version of fusion 360 is it a bug? Also could you tell why are we doing the project/include step for the loft.
Hi great series. Just one minor point for those of us a bit slower, can you please always mention when you Finish Sketch? I try to simultaneously draw in F360 but occasionally miss your quick flick of the mouse to end a sketch. Thanks
Hi Toby. Thanks for the feedback. So you're aware, you will also find that activating a modeling command will automatically "Finish Sketch" for you. I hope that helps a bit :)
I watched your first 11 days and have learned so much. I just started this video and the CC is in another language!! Is there a way to change this?? I have a 3d printer running behind me so this is important for me to get what you are saying. Any help would be appreciated!
Great tutorial! One question: At 8:00 we have the body "Metal Spiral", which is separate from the body "Pipe". When we create the tip of the Auger using the Loft + Join (9:20) on the Pipe, the Metal Spiral body gets joined to Pipe and disappears as a separate body. Is this because the Metal Spiral body intersected the plane we did the Loft operation on, or is this a Fusion bug? Same thing happened for me.
Great question - That is correct! It's because they intersect. If you want to leave the other body as it's own then you can change the loft operation to "new body" which will ensure they all remain as individual bodies. Cheers, Kevin :)
Next time you do a series of videos, you should put the number of the episode up in front of the title. The way the "Day #12" is put, it will not show up in the thumbnails..... makes it hard to find the next episode. But what a great work you have done here. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the feedback, hfranke07. You may find it easier to just follow along or find the episodes from the playlist that I created. Here it is - bit.ly/learn-fusion360 Please don't hesitate to comment questions on the tutorials as you work through the remainder of the series. Cheers, Kevin :)
Great tutorial as always. I'm using the new UI on Fusion 360 (free version) and got stuck while doing a 'project to surface' with the coil, it gives me an error if I select the coil for both faces and curves. It says; failed to project geometry chk if the selections are sensible. Is there something wrong that I'm doing here?
Hmmm.. I checked my demo file on my end and it appears to still work as seen in the video. Could you share a link to a screenshot of what you're selecting?
@@ProductDesignOnline I'm getting this error too. It's weird idk why it only happened with some of my spirals. I did a revolutions of 0.5 and it worked but with1.5 it doesn't work. I also think its happening when I try it with a smaller pipe but I'm not sure
Actually, I think I figured it out. For anyone else who's stuck on this: try turning on 3d sketch and pressing include 3d geometry right above project to surface, it just worked for me idk if it's what fixed it but it's worth a shot.
Hi. Thankyou for the awesome tutorials. The way to teach is very easy to understand. I want to learn Solidworks as well and want to know your opinion if I learn the fusion 360, then will it be easier to learn Solidworks. Means how similar is fusion 360 to Solidworks?
Hi, Jaspreet. That's a great question! Learning Fusion 360 wouldn't definitely make it easier to learn Solidworks (or vise versa). The hardest part would be understanding the nuances of each. For example, joints work in a much different manner. However, overall CAD concepts and modeling features are the same.
Product Design Online Thankyou so much Kevin! I actually wanted to learn Solidworks but my MacBook air doesn’t support it so find it on the internet that the Fusion 360 is closer option that runs on MacBook Air
hi Kevin! after the updated UI, I am unable to locate Project folder in the Sketch menu. I searched the commands using "S" command but I would love to know if there is any other way to access this featue. Great series BTW!
Hi Ankur. Please check out my latest video where I discuss all the critical UI changes - th-cam.com/video/tuZzHcmFtg4/w-d-xo.html In the video, I show you how to access the sketch commands. The "Sketch" dropdown list no longer exists. Instead, you'll see the sketch tools all listed under the "create" dropdown list when you're in the "Sketch" contextual tab. To enter the sketch tab or the sketch environment, you'll need to be in one of your active sketches. From there, you'll find the "project/intersect" flyout folder under the "Create" dropdown list. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi Kevin, I'm a college lecturer for product design in England and im using the time in lock-down to learn Fusion and your videos are a fantastic help, i just wanted to ask if you had a list of the most common keyboard short cuts
Hi, Simon. Glad to hear you're making the most of your time. Do you normally teach SolidWorks? I have the list on my website - all the top ones in the "Hot Keys" section are for the main Model and 2D Sketch commands. - productdesignonline.com/tips-and-tricks/fusion-360-keyboard-shortcuts/
@@ProductDesignOnline Solidworks and Creo for the most part but im finding fusion 360 to be a lot more user friendly and faster to pick up. Great thank you really appreciate it.
I finally got the loft feature to work. When I could not make it work my offset plane was larger than the bottom of the whole helix, but when the offset plane was small like in your video the loft feature worked fine. Any ideas what i did? I think this is where people are getting stuck.
Hi, John. First, I'm glad to hear you got it to work on the second try. As far as why the offset plane was different... it's likely that it was due to where you where clicking/selecting. I looked at someone else's file a while back and found that they had selected the edge of the pipe, whereas, I clicked on the bottom face of the pipe. Do you remember where you clicked the first time? Sometimes it's hardly noticeably clicking the edge versus the face...but those little types of things will sometimes cause finicky results in a CAD program. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you for the reply, I dont remember where i was clicking but that is probably the case. Often when i can't get something to work I go back a few steps or start again from scratch and then it seems easy and I can't understand what I was doing wrong the first time!@@ProductDesignOnline
@@johnrobinson6796 Sometimes the little things will get you in CAD... I always recommend when you hit a roadblock to take a step away from the computer. Usually, when you return, nothing seems to be a problem. haha Cheers, Kevin :)
what is the intersect project panel I am running the newest software and it seems that I am always looking for a different route for the same outcome I do get a little lost some times it takes me up to 30 min to complete a lesson To Kevin I am very happy for your videos I would not have gone this far in the last 4 days I do wish you had more sheet metal videos as that is the projects I will be working more on and how to get to CNC and tooling it is a push and cut system
Hi, Nhan Phan Minh. It's hard to say what it could be. Could you share some screenshots or your file? That will help me decipher the actual problem. Cheers, Kevin :)
I had the same issue. To solve it, I first created a 0.1 mm cylinder at the open end of the pipe. I was then able to use the loft command as instructed, except I chose the cylinder face as Profile 1. There may be better ways to solve this, and I'm not sure why we were having issues here.
I got stuck here too. The Loft part was giving me errors. I think it's because I'm using a newer version of Fusion 360. But I got it working by skipping the Create => Project/Include => Intersect that you do at 8:20 in the video, and I just made a new sketch at the bottom of the cylinder instead. At 8:20 you shift select the two circles at the bottom, and you go to Create => Project/Include => Intersect. I got lost here for a while. I couldn't find Intersect, so I pressed S and typed Intersect and clicked on it. I clicked OK on the dialog box to close the Intersect tool. At this point in the newer Fusion 360, it's in sketch mode, but in your version it's not. If I exit sketch mode from here and then construct an offset plane 25mm for the point, I'll get an error when I try to make the Loft. So instead I created a new sketch, and I clicked on the bottom of the cylinder as the working plane. I drew 2 circles on top of the existing circles of the cylinder, and I clicked finish sketch. Then I clicked Construct => Offset Plane, set it to 25mm, then right-clicked => create sketch on the new plane, created the point in the center and clicked finish sketch. Now I'm able to do the Loft tool without any errors. I don't know what the Project/Include => Intersect tool is for or if it's important. But I guess the loft isn't really connected to the cylinder now? Let me know if it makes a difference.
There’s an option in the intersect project panel where you can select Body. After selecting it you can project the bottom of the cylinder and create a loft with that projection.
hello again. as always great guidance . i just couldnt get why we have to projet 2 circles and not use the bottom face of the circle . it works both . and also it works if you just select to project the outer circle and not the inner one too . im asking if it has some cirtain point that we do that . also , why cant we just select the bottom face of the cirlce and use loft tool. why we have to always project the point or whatever we want to use ? thanks in advance. i have to understand if we dont do it ecxactlyu the way you are , are we getting the same result or we will have issues in the future if we want to do some changes to our design ?
Thank you so much! This helps a lot! However, I was just wondering, is it possible to create a spiral helix in another, odd shape (spherical maybe?) without using the helix plugin?
@@ProductDesignOnline it kept saying that it couldn't create the geometry and to taper the angle. I ended up hiding everything except the pipe and redid the loft and it worked. I guess I wasn't clicking on the right places.
So, because we don't have a Sketch menu in the new version, I can't accomplish the Intersect command. I can type 'S' then type Intersect to bring up the command, choose the 2 circles, but it doesn't seem to do anything. When I try to loft to the point I get errors.
Hi, Bobos Curse. As far as I'm aware, the intersect command had not changed as a result of the new UI. You should still find it under the "create" dropdown list instead of the "sketch" dropdown list - although, you'll need to be under the SKETCH tab. Here's an image for reference - snipboard.io/KpZ9NS.jpg In regards to them not working, can you double-check that you're clicking on the bottom face of the pipe and not another face or sketch plane? If that doesn't seem to be it then let me know and I can take a look at your file. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi Argo Isenough. Great question! Nope - it would've been better to select "new body" to keep the metal spiral separate. I didn't realize that as I was recording... every now and then I get too caught up in trying to speak clearly/record/click with my mouse that I don't realize something like this. Thanks for bringing this up! Cheers, Kevin :)
BASIC QUESTION - I'm struggling to create a new sketch on a new plane. Really simple I know but no matter what I do, when I come to do a new sketch it still uses the previous plane. Any help would be great thanks so much! I've tried the following. 1. Right clicking on the new face, selecting ‘create sketch’ (it still sketches on the old plane.) 2. Clicking ‘create sketch’ on the top left. (it still sketches on the old plane.)
Hi, 123456789ten. Strange - the only thing I can think of without seeing what's going on is to make sure you hit the "Stop Sketch" button in the toolbar if you're currently in an open sketch. If you try to create a new sketch while in an active sketch it won't work. If possible, could you share a short screencast of the problem? That may help me notice something that is wrong. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi, MrScrappydo17. Great question. In order to use the sweep tool as I did in this tutorial, you'll need to have a guide path for the sweep to follow. Guide paths have to be sketch geometry (lines, splines, etc) not model geometry (bodies/components). Therefore, I projected the sketch from the spiral helix body to create the spiral helix sketch geometry... because Fusion 360 does not offer a native way to create sketch geometry in the form of a spiral helix (at least not at this time). Here's another video of mine where I go into more detail on the project sketch feature, which may help clear things up even more -> th-cam.com/video/WAs144r-Xko/w-d-xo.html Please let me know if this explanation helped! Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Its been a year since your comment. does Fusion 360 now offer a native way to create sketch geometry in the form of a spiral helix?
Hi, Aymane. What error message are you receiving? Double check that you projected the bottom of the pipe (the two circles) and that they have closed profile shapes (orange background highlights. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Hi Kevin, thanks for responding here is the error message " the loft could not be created. Try changing the inputs, swapping profiles for rails or a centerline, or adjusting the continuity conditions."
@@aymaneelhadaf1627 That error is generally caused by not having a closed profile. The other reason could be that your sketch point is not on a construction plane further away from the profile. Can you check both of these? If that doesn't seem to be it then please share your file with me. Share your public link as a reply to this comment. Here's a video explaining how to share a public link - th-cam.com/video/2XrcrdV-8Ls/w-d-xo.html Then, please write a separate comment letting me know you've replied with a link because TH-cam flags most links and I don't always get notified. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline thank you Kevin, as you said I didn't have a closed profile and that was the cause of the error, now I fix it and I complete the tutorial successfully
Hello Kevin & all: Like a few other comments, I struggled to get the "Loft" to work as described. (Chances are as I have seen in quite a few of my earlier mistakes, I made an error earlier in the design that prevented the Loft from working, I have seen this more than once and now I always stop and check when I see my result different from the tutorial.). So, seeing as I need to spend time today setting up my desktop for dual boot as Windows 7 support is ending (GRRRR!!!! don't get me started...) I instead drew an extra center circle on the bottom outer edge of the pipe and was able to mimic the tutorial and get the same (I think) result using the loft command with the circle and point instead of the profile and point. More than one way to deliver microwave ovens....
Hi, William. The most common issue I've seen (while using the Project command) is users have selected the edge of the pipe instead of the bottom profile. If you want to share the link to your file I can take a look at it to see if that's what happened. Cheers, Kevin :)
Using "new" Fusion version the Loft command fails (at about 9:28 in video) with an error saying "There was a problem combining geometry together. If attempting a Join/Cut/Intersect, try to ensure that the bodies have a clear overlap (problems can occur where faces and edges are nearly coincident)." Everything looks the same until I change the cut to "join" then I get the error.
Stuck at the same spot. This tutorial wasn't hard on itself, but the new version of Fusion makes it a little harder I think. I managed to do everything but I get the same error
I had that issue too. I fixed it by redoing the projection sketch. I originally selected the xy plane but this time I selected the ring at the bottom where the loft would emerge from. Then I selected both circles that make up the ring and then created the projection with the intersect. After that I was able to create the loft to the point.
Dec 2022 - a few significant interface changes along with a different workflow surrounding creating planes before/after initiating sketches made this one impossible for me to follow. Projecting seems to be different in my newer version. Watched the video in its entirety to get the general feel of the order of operations. May revisit when my skillset allows me to find all of the workarounds.
Solved it a different way based on another tutorial. Created a square profile coil, selected the outer face and did a press/pull outward to create the blade. Always more than one way to accomplish a goal.
the new projection method makes these old videos very frustrating. What I found out is the once you create the circular coil, it creates a path line along the outside edge. Use that path line instead since it is pretty much impossible to project onto a surface now.
Very helpful thank you! Please can you tutor a "conical helix"? Or direct me to a video that would help? Thanks for your lessons. Couldn't do without it!
you should update these vids as the new version of 360 is pretty different. Im haveing to research as i go and chat with support to get things to work right. other than that Id say 90% is still valid....so Good Work!!! haven't gone thru this vid yet tho. talking about previous. see what happens here
With the new UI you'll find the "project/include" command in the "Create" dropdown, but ONLY when you're in the SKETCH tab. The sketch tab will only be shown in your toolbar when you're in an active sketch environment. You'll have to create a new sketch first. Alternatively, you can search for the project/include feature by using the keyboard letter "S" to activate the shortcuts box > search for the desired feature.
@@ProductDesignOnline The searching tool "S" is the easiest way to find things in the new UI. Thanks a lot for your help. You are the born teacher, Really, G-d bless you
When you make the line from the coil using off of the new plane along path, what degree do we need to use? You just created that line without using specific degree, are we supposed to?
Project/Intersect sketches explained in more detail - th-cam.com/video/WAs144r-Xko/w-d-xo.html
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0:00 - 3D Model an Auger Bit in Fusion 360
1:03 - New component
1:46 - Create a pipe
3:54 - Create a coil
5:45 - Project coil sketch
6:14 - Plane along a path
7:21 - Create a spiral sweep
8:11 - Loft to point
9:31 - Add a chamfer
10:27 - Add red polished steel
I'm sure I speak for many, when I say, I would love to understand why some things like "project/include" need to be done and what is happening when you do? otherwise your the best and thank you so much!
Just a quick tip for anyone stuck on the lofting part:
There’s an option in the intersect project panel where you can select Body. After selecting it you can project the bottom of the cylinder and create a loft with that projection.
This resolved the issue for me. I wonder if this leaves the resulting cone at the base "hollow" or if it is solid?
Thank you bro. You helped me so much.
Dude you save me from so much frustration. Thanks.
Thx that was doing my head in.
@@ne5750 It is solid. I did a section analysis.
Thanks!
Sorry I missed this earlier. I appreciate your support!
Been really enjoying your tutorials so far, thank you so much! Managed to do this one just fine but there were some points in there where I was thinking "what am I actually doing?" It would be good to have a little more explanation as to what exactly is going on when choosing some of the tools/options so we know *why* a certain tool/option is chosen. I'm sure this will come with practice though!
I had a strong resistance against Fusion360, in great part due to the poor teaching experience I had from a friend.
This series made me not only overcome this resistance, but also embrace Fusion360 as one of the main tools in my workflow. Thanks a lot, man!!
At least for me, I feel like I get more out of Kevin's tutorials by watching the entire thing first and then trying to replicate it; rather than trying to follow along at breakneck speed as I did for the first 10 days.
The Pause and Rewind buttons are your friend.
😆😆😆 i just yell at my screen and cuss him out whenever he goes to that breakneck speed
I have been following the tutorials in this series and I want to leave a comment to mark this as the point where i feel extremely confident and have started several of my own small projects which i completed with ease and little time. Your tutorials are excellent! I look forward to finishing the series.
Glad to hear that! Don't stop learning :)
Great lessons, i got stuck on the loft function for a while, didnt do anything. so i figured revolve and a triangle would do the trick. feels really good when solving problems with what ive learned instead of just copy/paste the videos.
Love this 30 day series!
Hi, Samuel. That's great! I'm happy to see that you're retaining the information and re-applying some of the core concepts in your own way. Keep it up! Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Thank you so much for this great series! I am really enjoying these lessons, and am amazed at what I can do with this software already.
I was also having a hard time with the loft tool. I think the problem lies with the pipe. Looking closely at the end of the pipe, the exterior seems to be a very rough circle, more like an 18 sided polygon. the problem seemed to be when I chose the two circles to project, the outer circle was much higher resolution, leaving gaps between the pipe, and the circle. I am assuming that makes it not a solid selection. I'm not really sure, but it worked after I messed with it a bit, so I guess that had something to do with it. hopefully that will help someone.
Do you know why the pipe would have been made with so few sides? The internal circle seemed smooth?
@@rikcollins4447 As far as I'm aware, there is no alternative pipe. The only thing I can think of is it may have been an issue with the graphics card or possibly another bug with the software. What machine are you running Fusion 360 on? Does your computer meet or exceed the minimum requirements? productdesignonline.com/tips-and-tricks/system-requirements-for-autodesk-fusion-360/
Cheers, Kevin :)
You deserve more followers, very helpful tutorial.
Liliana McIntosh - Thanks so much for the kind words and thanks for watching!!! Cheers, Kevin :)
Yes, you deserve more followers. You're one of a few authors who makes timely replies. I feel very fortunate to have found your channel.
Quick tip for people who can't create it with the loft option:
Go to Project / include -> Intersect. Select the bottom from the pipe. Than select Loft and and click on the point.
thank you
@@samuelirwin8206 Thankyouuuu
Thanks man!!
This channel is truly a blessing for beginners like me. I hope your channel grows bigger. So that we can keep learning more and more.😊
Thanks, Rahi! :)
Keep up the awesome tutorial work, clear speaking voice with time reference & materials... one of the best I've seen. Hats off.
your tutorials are the perfect balance of information vs. brevity, which makes me very happy. Correct pace, great examples, and you show a great respect to the audience's capacity to understand what you're doing without wasting time. Thank you very much.
I do have a question though, regarding the app / file system in Fusion 360. I'm currently on a free "startup" license. I don't have a problem paying (outright) for software, however, if I get the full version, am I able to use the app "off the grid"? I mean, can I store Fusion 360 documents as regular files in MacOS, just I would for a EPS or SVG file? I can't actually see where the files are currently stored. I get really uneasy when I have to rely on a network connection in order to work or access my files.
Hi Michael - thanks for the kind words. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment on my tutorials! In regards to storing files on your computer, I'll try to address some of the common workflows/concerns:
When you hit the save button inside of Fusion 360, your files are stored on the cloud, which can be accessed by visiting A360. However, a locally cached version is also saved - but the cache will be deleted after a certain amount of time. This amount of time is defined in your Fusion 360 Preferences > General tab > "Offline cache time period day(s)." Your cached files can be accessed on your local machine, should you need to work offline.
On MacOs, your cached F360 the files are stored in a folder that is hidden by default - Here's an Autodesk help article that explains how to locate the folder - knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-locate-locally-cached-files-in-Autodesk-Fusion-360.html
The cached files are the .F3D (Fusion 360 archive files). You can copy and paste them to other folders on your Mac. Additionally, if you want to store specific design files then you can always export them from your Fusion 360 data panel.
If you plan on working offline and want to make sure a file is cached, especially a file that you haven't worked on in a while, then you can right click on the file in your data panel and select "add to offline cache." OR simply export the file to your local machine as you are able to import/upload files to Fusion 360 without an internet connection - just note that they won't back up to the cloud until you are reconnected to the internet.
I hope this clears some things up! Let me know if you have any questions after reading this. Cheers, Kevin :)
Don't really have any questions. Just want to support this channel. Really like what you are doing. Thank you for these.
Thanks, Jonny Johnson! I truly appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Every comment real does help! ;)
And...of course, please don't hesitate to comment on any of my videos in the future if you do have any questions. Cheers, Kevin :)
Surprised you don't have millions of followers. Soooo good.
One day....one day... haha. Thanks, Alex. Cheers, Kevin :)
Great stuff as always... With all this time stuck at home lately I've been really enjoying going through all your tutorials. So much good info here.
Thanks, Steve! Stay safe and healthy :)
This one was the hardest to follow, so far in this series. Had to slow down the playback speed to get it right.. I succeeded but felt like I didnt actually understand why and what I was doing.. I will revisit this video later and see if remaking it will make me understand it better... Thanks through for a very good video, you are the best!
You are step by step bringing me up to speed. Much appreciation and gratitude!!!
Hello Kevin, this series of tutorials have been one of the most helpful I have encountered as of yet on youtube. The very fact that you are sharing your knowledge and expertise that too for free is really commendable. As for this video it is most challenging one so far as there were a few new tools and concepts that I had to wrap around my head, nothing that rewatching the video multiple times didnt solve. Very interesting approach and i really like the speed at which you explained. Wish you the very best in all your further endeavors !!
ive worked through up to day 12. I quite like you little course. im glad you made it. your teaching method is quite good and doing all these little projects gets makes the prog become familiar with out getting boring. your voice is some times a bit flat though sounds like your reading off cue cards, but at least nice and clear and slow enough to catch what your saying.
Hi, Neil. Thanks for your feedback. I'm always looking at ways to improve the audio and I'll take this into consideration while I record future lessons.
Don't hesitate to comment if you run into any roadblocks. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi Kevin. These videos are great!
Thank you.
Thanks, Erkan AĞIR! I'm glad you're enjoying them. Please don't hesitate to comment questions on the tutorials as you work through the remainder of the series. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thanks, your mention of "path + Guided Suraface helped me out
First of all thank you very much for amazing videos! I will follow this to the end and I am subscribing now :)
I had difficulties creating that last circle as it would always go on the bottom of the drawing. I solved this by clicking on the top of the "screw" and created an offset plane.
Thanks, Balleknack! I'm happy to hear you are enjoying my videos. In regards to the difficulty creating the last circle... I'm not sure why that was, but way to come up with a viable solution on your own!!
Please don't hesitate to comment any questions as you work through the remainder of the series. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline I must be learning! Did the same thing!
Thank you Kevin for this series! I'm really enjoying it so far. I had a question regarding the project to surface tool you used for the coil - it involved choosing a surface to project on (5:52), and you chose the XY plane i believe. How did this result in the helical sketch being projected around the surface of the pipe and not on the XY plane like an orthographic 2D projection? This confused me. Hope you can clarify, thanks!
Hi Palash. That's a great question. When you "Project to a Surface" you can project the geometry of 3-dimensional shapes. You still need to select a plane that the sketch is created on, but it essentially creates a 3-dimensional sketch.
If you check on your setting in your preferences dialog you can actually create 3D sketches while sketching out geometry. However, 2-dimensional sketches are usually sufficient.
Most of the time you'll be needing to project sketches...you'll find yourself only needing 2-dimensional projections. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline I'm still mystified by this. How did specifying a plane to project on cause the coil to be projected around a cylindrical surface? I would have expected to have to select the pipe surface at some point. Can you provide some more detail about this?
I realize the interface has changed a lot since this was made, but I didn't understand the part about making a profile for the loft at all. The rest of the video was pretty cool. thanks!
I'll have a new version of the video in the next week or two. I'm reworking the whole series from scratch. You can find it here: bit.ly/30daysUpdated
You really made a fantastic series of tutorials. Thank you :)
I never knew about that helix trick. Thanks.
Thank you Product Design Online ( Kevin ) I have watched this video and almost model this auger bit, I was not able to do lofting to a point at that offset plane I would do this some day
Finally have it. Made a mistake doing the sweep. I had selected "Sweep + guide rail, instead of guide face. I'm still not sure about how I did some of it. Thank you for doing these tutorials!!!!!
Hi, fairwindsii. Can you please share a link to your file so I can take a look? Share your public link as a reply to this comment. Here's a video explaining how to share a public link - th-cam.com/video/2XrcrdV-8Ls/w-d-xo.html
Then, please write a separate comment letting me know you've replied with a link because TH-cam flags most links and I don't always get notified. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi, LIWEI YU. You should see three options under the sweep command. Here's what I'm seeing with the latest version of Fusion 360 - snipboard.io/BDi7Y0.jpg
Let me know if you still don't see it. Cheers, Kevin :)
As always - great instruction. I can replicate what you do but still struggling to know what's happening during the projection at 5:57 (even after looking at your supplemental video on project/include). By picking the coil for both the face AND the curve, are you projecting the curve of the coil onto the surface of the coil? Where is the "curve" of the coil - the center line? Since this ends up being a 3d sketch, does it matter which plane you select to start the sketch? When projecting onto the surface of the coil - why does the projection end up on the outside? Why didn't you project to the surface of the pipe - wouldn't that be clearer?
Thanks Kevin, these are proving to be some of the best Fusion 360 tutorials I've ever tried.
In the newer interface I can't seem to access some commands, such as 'project/include', without first manually creating a sketch. Is that a change, or am I missing something?
Same here.
Correct, you must create a sketch first.
It's fast paced but, I'm sure for some things just begin to click and further attempts and you start to have a second nature of what to do next. For me the biggest suspense was finding out about the new sweep functions... Amazing, on to the next
Glad to hear that - keep going :)
thanks Kevin day was hard for me . thanks for your help
Excellent series of videos 👍👍👍, clever workaround with the coil tool. Including a bit of your bloopers will make it fun, and encourage newcomers. The awesome thing with fusion 360 it pushes you find solutions on the road from A to B.
Hey Errison, Thanks! I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying my videos! :)
Great feedback/idea! Cheers, Kevin
Very useful tutorials! Thanks for them. One slight criticism - consider telling us not only how, but why, you're doing something. For example, in this video, when you use "intersect" to project the circle on the bottom of the pipe. What exactly does this do and why is it needed? Thanks again.
Michael Shannon - Thanks, great feedback! I have been getting better at trying to make sure I also explain "why." With that said, sometimes I have to omit it to not get too sidetracked, especially in some of these longer tutorials. I have on the to-do list to do a whole video on all of the different "project" features because I've found they are really confusing to new years. My goal is to eventually have enough videos that if I can't explain why in that particular tutorial I can link to another video that does go more in depth.
Thanks again for watching & commenting!!! Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you for your training videos. You're a rockstar!!!
Thank you very much for your videos, I am following step by step all of them. I had to admit I struggled a lot on a couple of them. I found workarounds for my issues (thanks to the comments of other followers and yours). Still having problem with this one.
I do not understand the "intersect" step and I am not able to execute it with success.
Thank you for your help.
Marco Comparato - Thanks for commenting & following along with the series!!
What is tripping you up with the intersect step?? Are you referring to the project to surface in order to make the helix path? Please elaborate on your questions so I can help you. Cheers, Kevin :)
Sorry for not being clear, I forgot there was another intersect operation. I am talking about the intersection of the base of the pipe followed by the loft command. Just after minute 8.
Thanks for the incredibly fast response.
No worries!
You'll want to make sure to hold down the shift key and select the to circular entities at the bottom of the pipe. Then, when you use the "intersect" project feature in the sketch dropdown list (sketch > project folder > intersect) it will re-create the lines on the surface chosen, which is why I chose the bottom of the pipe as the surface. This basically is a faster way to create those two circles than creating a sketch on the bottom of the pipe and selecting the circle sketch feature and creating the circles one by one.
As far as the loft command, I created an offset plane in order to create a point to loft to. Then the loft can easily be created by selecting the circle sketch as the first "profile" and selecting the point as the second "profile."
I hope this answers your question?? If not, I'm happy to elaborate more on something else. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Probably my error was to choose the xz plane as the surface for the intersect command. I always got an empty sketch. Tomorrow I'll try to choose the bottom of the pipe, as you suggest. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again.
Sounds good! Let me know how it works out for you. Cheers, Kevin :)
Another great tutorial, thanks a lot Kevin. In the video, at around 7:33 you say "you can see that it doesn't have enough to create the sweep", what does that mean? How do you know it doesn't have enough create the sweep?
Thanks, Ken! Great question. I'll have to make a video solely covering the sweep command to discuss more of this in detail. In short, the "single path" method only works with closed profiles (as the profile) and simple geometry paths that are on a FLAT planar surface. The key thing here is that this sweep was following a 3-dimensional sketch (the helix) so we needed to define that guide surface (the cylinder). I hope that clarifies it a bit. Cheers, Kevin :)
you rock man .you are a pro in fusion 360
Neat! It was very simple and easy to understand.
I followed all the steps you showed I got it right, but after everything I wasn't able to fillet any of the edges of the helix, how do I add fillets to them?
Hi, Rahul M.R. Did it give you a specific error message when trying to apply fillets? You should be able to add them, however, the thickness of the helix is very thing. The thickness is 3.5mm high. You won't be able to apply a fillet radius of more than 1.75 to the edge. Cheers, Kevin :)
I am following your series of videos. There are really helpful. I got a doubt: Why did you have to use Single Path+Guide Surface for using sweep command??Why didn't just single path work?
Hi, Vishnu. That is a great question! In this scenario, it is because of the spiral helix. Fusion 360 doesn't know how the profile shape should sweep around the spiral, since its twist and turns into so many directions. By giving F360 that extra input of data of the guide surface it is able to understand that we want the profile to follow the spiral helix and remain touching the guide surface. Ultimately, it comes down to the complexity of the sweep you are trying to complete. In general, simple sweeps just need the single path, more complex sweeps need more data to complete (guide rail) and very complex sweeps such as this need the guide surface. I hope this helps! Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline I now understand it. Thanks a lot for such an elaborate answer.
@@vishnukiran6162 you're welcome! Thanks again for watching and commenting! :)
The loft command didn't work for me.. but i used a different way to do it. I created a new sketch connecting our point with the bottom face circle , creating a nice triangle. Lastly, i used the revolve command to make the cone shape for the dust. it seems fine to me but i dont know if there is a big difference between the loft command and what i did. Thanks for the videos !
Hi, stavros Rife. That sounds like a great solution! My way of "doing it" in this video is by now way the only way to do it... and exploring alternatives is a great way to learn and progress your CAD skillset. Keep it up! Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi Stavros Rife, I ran into the same issue as you where I couldn't make the loft work for me, but your solution did. Thanks, and like Kevin said there's more than one way to do things and I appreciate your sharing.
thanks kevin for making such a beautiful and easy to understand series ,i just happened to have a doubt at 9:22 ,I'm not able to use loft command over here in my fusion 360 . it shows an "compute error" when I follow the steps u told . however, its possible to get the cone body by setting the operation to new body in loft command
Thanks for this series. I have been following this series having started with Day #1. Loft didn't work, I made a triangle and used Revolve.
Thanks for the idea - I couldn't get the loft to work either so I followed your idea
Kevin, when we loft to a point, around the 9:17 mark, should we getting the walls of the pipe to come to a point or a solid cone? I had to follow Jae Kim's advice to get the loft to work. I did a section analysis and found that the loft produced a solid cone.
Excellent as always thank you
Thanks, Mark! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed this one.
Cheers, Kevin :)
it only took me 30 mins this time! im getting better thanks!
Great work. Keep going! :)
thank you Kevin am learning a lot.
Thanks, ITHUSENG LIFE! I'm happy to hear that! Glad you found my channel. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hey Kevin, thank you for great video! Is the any way to draw coil that does only one rotation around the shaft , but draw it using sheet metal tools, so I could get a flat pattern after for cnc plasma??? Thanks again
Hey Kevin, I'm sure a lot of us are confused on how and where you get your numbers from when modeling. Many times, your parts fit together perfectly with seemingly random numbers. Do you use references or is it just trial and error? I'd love to know!
Thanks for the feedback, Samarth! That's a great question. For this series, I used a lot of reference images... I try to explain where the numbers come from in my newer/latest videos :)
This was an interesting tutorial. When I finished, I tried the section analysis tool (presented in last tutorial) and it didn't seem to show thickness of the tip of the drill. I'm curious if I messed up that part somehow?
Hi Richard, can you double-check that you used the SOLID modeling loft command (blue loft icon) when you created the tip? If you used the SURFACE loft command (orange loft icon) then it would create a surface with no real thickness.
Let me know if that was it. Otherwise, I'd be happy to take a look at your file. Cheers, Kevin :)
Great video! I seem to have trouble understanding what the 'project' function does in the sketch menu. Couldn't you have made an offset plane directly from the face of the bottom of the pipe?
Hi, Tesla 5869. I have a video that discusses the project command in more detail - th-cam.com/video/WAs144r-Xko/w-d-xo.html
In short, projecting to the end of the pipe recreated the circle geometry on the end of the pipe, without having to create a new sketch on the end and draw each circle one-by-one. The general idea with the project command is to "project" the geometry from existing surfaces to the desired surface to save time from having to create it again. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thanks Kevin, really helpful videos.
Question about the final chamfer you add near the end. I can only add a
Hmmm. Can you post a pic or your file in the community space? This ones hard to say as it could be a number of things. One thing to check - make sure 'chaining' is not selected in the Chamfer dialog.
Hi Luuk. I had a worst problem, where the chamfer wouldn't accept any distance value. I solved it by going back to the timeline and re-editing the Plane Along Path feature (6:12). I increased the distance from 0.039 (per de video) to around 0.056. Then the chamfer worked perfectly. Hope this helps anyone.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
You can use shift+scroll to rotate the object
Thanks for the tutorial!!!
FOR ALL UPDATED USERS. You can just adjust the shape of the spiral in the spiral settings, you do not need to extrude to a second point like he did in this video.
Similarly, a push/pull on the outer edge does a similar extrude
Thanks for this great video. it gave me a great insight to lot of the design mechanics to fusion 360! I just have one question. When I design the helix, i get some line patterns over it after i make the finish and I'm unsure how to get rid of those. How would I fix this issue? Thanks
It sounds like a difference with your "visual style" settings. Head down to the bottom of Fusion 360 where you see the desktop monitor icon that is labeled "Display Settings." From there, hover over the visual style flyout and select "shaded." Yours is likely set to "Shaded with Visual Edges Only." Let me know if that was it! Cheers, Kevin :)
I love your videos!! Sooo helpful!
노지우 - Thanks for watching and commenting! I'm happy to hear you find them useful. Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi, thanks for the tutorials.
I have a problem adding the chamfer. It says that I have to adjust the size or deselect some of the edges.
Would you please tell me what is it about?
Hi, Abdulaziz Kadri. That error message is due to the chamfer size being great than the size of the surface you're trying to apply it to. If you're entering the same chamfer size that I entered then you may have an additional edge or edges selected. I would suggest trying again and make sure you only have one edge selected. If that doesn't work let me know. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Hi, Kevin.
I've tried to re-draw the spiral profile and it working! :)
Thanks for the support
@@abdulazizkadri2836 Glad to hear that! Keep at it :)
Thanks for all your videos Kevin. Quick question, can this technique be used to create a wave spring?
I have learned a lot with your videos, thank you.👍👍
Can someone explain how exactly the guide surface affects the sweep command? I don't understand what the bottom face of the pipe has to do with the resulting spiral.
Great videos. I had to figure out the auger end, and will be trying out the commented part on a sample drawing later on. One question I have though , I notice that on some drawings you use Z axis up to start, and Y axis up on others to start. Is there reason for this? Thanks.
Hi Scott, I always record my tutorials with Fusion 360 default settings. The settings change from time to time. For many years the default was to have the y up, then they changed it to Z up (which is more widely used)... So the newer tutorials all have Z up
Thank you for these great tutorials. This one was too fast for me
Thanks for the feedback, Daniel!
How do I watch your videos in order
I do not want to miss any
Do you make a video every day or once a week
Thanks keep up the good work
Hi Jaime. Thanks for watching! I have a playlist of the 30-day series, so you can watch them in order. You can find that on the Playlists tab on my channel or here - bit.ly/learn-fusion360
I release a new video every week on Fridays (unless otherwise noted). Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you so much for these tutorials, I am having 2 errors during loft, the message says :
1) Cannot create ttool body for loft
2) Loft cannot be created, try changing inputs etc.
I am using latest version of fusion 360 is it a bug?
Also could you tell why are we doing the project/include step for the loft.
Hi great series. Just one minor point for those of us a bit slower, can you please always mention when you Finish Sketch? I try to simultaneously draw in F360 but occasionally miss your quick flick of the mouse to end a sketch.
Thanks
Hi Toby. Thanks for the feedback. So you're aware, you will also find that activating a modeling command will automatically "Finish Sketch" for you. I hope that helps a bit :)
I watched your first 11 days and have learned so much. I just started this video and the CC is in another language!! Is there a way to change this?? I have a 3d printer running behind me so this is important for me to get what you are saying. Any help would be appreciated!
Great tutorial!
One question: At 8:00 we have the body "Metal Spiral", which is separate from the body "Pipe". When we create the tip of the Auger using the Loft + Join (9:20) on the Pipe, the Metal Spiral body gets joined to Pipe and disappears as a separate body. Is this because the Metal Spiral body intersected the plane we did the Loft operation on, or is this a Fusion bug? Same thing happened for me.
Great question - That is correct! It's because they intersect. If you want to leave the other body as it's own then you can change the loft operation to "new body" which will ensure they all remain as individual bodies. Cheers, Kevin :)
Next time you do a series of videos, you should put the number of the episode up in front of the title. The way the "Day #12" is put, it will not show up in the thumbnails..... makes it hard to find the next episode.
But what a great work you have done here. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the feedback, hfranke07. You may find it easier to just follow along or find the episodes from the playlist that I created. Here it is - bit.ly/learn-fusion360
Please don't hesitate to comment questions on the tutorials as you work through the remainder of the series. Cheers, Kevin :)
Great tutorial as always. I'm using the new UI on Fusion 360 (free version) and got stuck while doing a 'project to surface' with the coil, it gives me an error if I select the coil for both faces and curves. It says; failed to project geometry chk if the selections are sensible. Is there something wrong that I'm doing here?
Hmmm.. I checked my demo file on my end and it appears to still work as seen in the video. Could you share a link to a screenshot of what you're selecting?
@@ProductDesignOnline I'm getting this error too. It's weird idk why it only happened with some of my spirals. I did a revolutions of 0.5 and it worked but with1.5 it doesn't work. I also think its happening when I try it with a smaller pipe but I'm not sure
Actually, I think I figured it out. For anyone else who's stuck on this: try turning on 3d sketch and pressing include 3d geometry right above project to surface, it just worked for me idk if it's what fixed it but it's worth a shot.
Hi. Thankyou for the awesome tutorials. The way to teach is very easy to understand. I want to learn Solidworks as well and want to know your opinion if I learn the fusion 360, then will it be easier to learn Solidworks. Means how similar is fusion 360 to Solidworks?
Hi, Jaspreet. That's a great question! Learning Fusion 360 wouldn't definitely make it easier to learn Solidworks (or vise versa). The hardest part would be understanding the nuances of each. For example, joints work in a much different manner. However, overall CAD concepts and modeling features are the same.
Product Design Online Thankyou so much Kevin! I actually wanted to learn Solidworks but my MacBook air doesn’t support it so find it on the internet that the Fusion 360 is closer option that runs on MacBook Air
Thanks so much Kevin. You helped me so much. Just a question : How can I go to the version that you use (which version do you use?)
Wonderful teaching...
Salman - Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate the kind words. Cheers, Kevin :)
hi Kevin! after the updated UI, I am unable to locate Project folder in the Sketch menu. I searched the commands using "S" command but I would love to know if there is any other way to access this featue.
Great series BTW!
Hi Ankur. Please check out my latest video where I discuss all the critical UI changes - th-cam.com/video/tuZzHcmFtg4/w-d-xo.html
In the video, I show you how to access the sketch commands. The "Sketch" dropdown list no longer exists. Instead, you'll see the sketch tools all listed under the "create" dropdown list when you're in the "Sketch" contextual tab. To enter the sketch tab or the sketch environment, you'll need to be in one of your active sketches. From there, you'll find the "project/intersect" flyout folder under the "Create" dropdown list.
Cheers, Kevin :)
Hi Kevin, I'm a college lecturer for product design in England and im using the time in lock-down to learn Fusion and your videos are a fantastic help, i just wanted to ask if you had a list of the most common keyboard short cuts
Hi, Simon. Glad to hear you're making the most of your time. Do you normally teach SolidWorks? I have the list on my website - all the top ones in the "Hot Keys" section are for the main Model and 2D Sketch commands. - productdesignonline.com/tips-and-tricks/fusion-360-keyboard-shortcuts/
@@ProductDesignOnline Solidworks and Creo for the most part but im finding fusion 360 to be a lot more user friendly and faster to pick up. Great thank you really appreciate it.
I finally got the loft feature to work. When I could not make it work my offset plane was larger than the bottom of the whole helix, but when the offset plane was small like in your video the loft feature worked fine. Any ideas what i did? I think this is where people are getting stuck.
Hi, John. First, I'm glad to hear you got it to work on the second try. As far as why the offset plane was different... it's likely that it was due to where you where clicking/selecting. I looked at someone else's file a while back and found that they had selected the edge of the pipe, whereas, I clicked on the bottom face of the pipe. Do you remember where you clicked the first time? Sometimes it's hardly noticeably clicking the edge versus the face...but those little types of things will sometimes cause finicky results in a CAD program. Cheers, Kevin :)
Thank you for the reply, I dont remember where i was clicking but that is probably the case. Often when i can't get something to work I go back a few steps or start again from scratch and then it seems easy and I can't understand what I was doing wrong the first time!@@ProductDesignOnline
@@johnrobinson6796 Sometimes the little things will get you in CAD... I always recommend when you hit a roadblock to take a step away from the computer. Usually, when you return, nothing seems to be a problem. haha Cheers, Kevin :)
what is the intersect project panel I am running the newest software and it seems that I am always looking for a different route for the same outcome I do get a little lost some times it takes me up to 30 min to complete a lesson To Kevin I am very happy for your videos I would not have gone this far in the last 4 days I do wish you had more sheet metal videos as that is the projects I will be working more on and how to get to CNC and tooling it is a push and cut system
Kevin, I don't have the "Empty Component" in the dialog box. Mione also has "External" and "Internal". BTW, my version is 2021. TIA.
Hi Mondo. For all components created in this series you will need to leave it to the defaults of 'Internal'
i can't loft to point, error "the loft could not be created. Try changing the inputs, swapping profiles for rails or a centerline"
Hi, Nhan Phan Minh. It's hard to say what it could be. Could you share some screenshots or your file? That will help me decipher the actual problem. Cheers, Kevin :)
I, too, have the same error message. What was the solution. Thanks.
I had the same issue. To solve it, I first created a 0.1 mm cylinder at the open end of the pipe. I was then able to use the loft command as instructed, except I chose the cylinder face as Profile 1.
There may be better ways to solve this, and I'm not sure why we were having issues here.
I got stuck here too. The Loft part was giving me errors. I think it's because I'm using a newer version of Fusion 360. But I got it working by skipping the Create => Project/Include => Intersect that you do at 8:20 in the video, and I just made a new sketch at the bottom of the cylinder instead.
At 8:20 you shift select the two circles at the bottom, and you go to Create => Project/Include => Intersect. I got lost here for a while. I couldn't find Intersect, so I pressed S and typed Intersect and clicked on it. I clicked OK on the dialog box to close the Intersect tool. At this point in the newer Fusion 360, it's in sketch mode, but in your version it's not. If I exit sketch mode from here and then construct an offset plane 25mm for the point, I'll get an error when I try to make the Loft.
So instead I created a new sketch, and I clicked on the bottom of the cylinder as the working plane. I drew 2 circles on top of the existing circles of the cylinder, and I clicked finish sketch. Then I clicked Construct => Offset Plane, set it to 25mm, then right-clicked => create sketch on the new plane, created the point in the center and clicked finish sketch. Now I'm able to do the Loft tool without any errors.
I don't know what the Project/Include => Intersect tool is for or if it's important. But I guess the loft isn't really connected to the cylinder now? Let me know if it makes a difference.
There’s an option in the intersect project panel where you can select Body. After selecting it you can project the bottom of the cylinder and create a loft with that projection.
hello again. as always great guidance . i just couldnt get why we have to projet 2 circles and not use the bottom face of the circle . it works both . and also it works if you just select to project the outer circle and not the inner one too . im asking if it has some cirtain point that we do that . also , why cant we just select the bottom face of the cirlce and use loft tool. why we have to always project the point or whatever we want to use ? thanks in advance. i have to understand if we dont do it ecxactlyu the way you are , are we getting the same result or we will have issues in the future if we want to do some changes to our design ?
Thank you so much! This helps a lot! However, I was just wondering, is it possible to create a spiral helix in another, odd shape (spherical maybe?) without using the helix plugin?
Hi, Avyay Jamadagni. The helix capabilities in Fusion 360 are quite limited so it really depends on a case-to-case basis. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Ok I understand. Thank you so much!
I got stuck on the creating the Loft. It took me an hour to figure it out. I ended up figuring it out!
Hi, Richard. Glad you figured it out! What was the issue (incase others run into the same problem)? Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline it kept saying that it couldn't create the geometry and to taper the angle. I ended up hiding everything except the pipe and redid the loft and it worked. I guess I wasn't clicking on the right places.
@@richardheadrick7863 Thanks for sharing. That will definitely do it... sometimes it's best to hide everything! Cheers, Kevin :)
very useful video, i still have a problem in designing the DNA a long a curved path , i sent some images to your FB page that explain the problem
Thanks, nada. I'll take a look at them and get back to you on Facebook. Cheers, Kevin :)
In video: 600 subs
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In fact: 60k subs.
Nice job!
Thanks! slow and steady :)
So, because we don't have a Sketch menu in the new version, I can't accomplish the Intersect command. I can type 'S' then type Intersect to bring up the command, choose the 2 circles, but it doesn't seem to do anything. When I try to loft to the point I get errors.
Hi, Bobos Curse. As far as I'm aware, the intersect command had not changed as a result of the new UI. You should still find it under the "create" dropdown list instead of the "sketch" dropdown list - although, you'll need to be under the SKETCH tab. Here's an image for reference - snipboard.io/KpZ9NS.jpg
In regards to them not working, can you double-check that you're clicking on the bottom face of the pipe and not another face or sketch plane?
If that doesn't seem to be it then let me know and I can take a look at your file. Cheers, Kevin :)
At 9:25 by choosing [Join] instead of [New Body] the previously separate [Metal Spiral] joins into the [Coil] body as well. Is that intentional?
Hi Argo Isenough. Great question! Nope - it would've been better to select "new body" to keep the metal spiral separate. I didn't realize that as I was recording... every now and then I get too caught up in trying to speak clearly/record/click with my mouse that I don't realize something like this.
Thanks for bringing this up! Cheers, Kevin :)
Why did the Body "Metal Spiral" disappear after creating the cone for the pipe with the Loft command???
BASIC QUESTION - I'm struggling to create a new sketch on a new plane. Really simple I know but no matter what I do, when I come to do a new sketch it still uses the previous plane. Any help would be great thanks so much!
I've tried the following.
1. Right clicking on the new face, selecting ‘create sketch’ (it still sketches on the old plane.)
2. Clicking ‘create sketch’ on the top left. (it still sketches on the old plane.)
Hi, 123456789ten. Strange - the only thing I can think of without seeing what's going on is to make sure you hit the "Stop Sketch" button in the toolbar if you're currently in an open sketch. If you try to create a new sketch while in an active sketch it won't work.
If possible, could you share a short screencast of the problem? That may help me notice something that is wrong. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnlineOnline hands down the best youtube channel out there, you solved it thank you Kevin you champ !
@@ten-ub4xd thanks, I appreciate that! Glad I could help :)
why do we have to "project" the spiral? not sure i'm understanding the project feature/need
Hi, MrScrappydo17. Great question. In order to use the sweep tool as I did in this tutorial, you'll need to have a guide path for the sweep to follow. Guide paths have to be sketch geometry (lines, splines, etc) not model geometry (bodies/components).
Therefore, I projected the sketch from the spiral helix body to create the spiral helix sketch geometry... because Fusion 360 does not offer a native way to create sketch geometry in the form of a spiral helix (at least not at this time).
Here's another video of mine where I go into more detail on the project sketch feature, which may help clear things up even more -> th-cam.com/video/WAs144r-Xko/w-d-xo.html
Please let me know if this explanation helped! Cheers, Kevin :)
Aha! Thanks! That turned the lightbulb on in my head and I totally get it now!
@@MrScrappydo17 Great! I'm glad that helped clear things up :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Its been a year since your comment. does Fusion 360 now offer a native way to create sketch geometry in the form of a spiral helix?
Great video, but i still have a problem while using the loft feature it gives me an error message. Can you help me plz .
Hi, Aymane. What error message are you receiving? Double check that you projected the bottom of the pipe (the two circles) and that they have closed profile shapes (orange background highlights. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline Hi Kevin, thanks for responding here is the error message " the loft could not be created. Try changing the inputs, swapping profiles for rails or a centerline, or adjusting the continuity conditions."
@@aymaneelhadaf1627 That error is generally caused by not having a closed profile. The other reason could be that your sketch point is not on a construction plane further away from the profile. Can you check both of these? If that doesn't seem to be it then please share your file with me. Share your public link as a reply to this comment. Here's a video explaining how to share a public link - th-cam.com/video/2XrcrdV-8Ls/w-d-xo.html
Then, please write a separate comment letting me know you've replied with a link because TH-cam flags most links and I don't always get notified. Cheers, Kevin :)
@@ProductDesignOnline thank you Kevin, as you said I didn't have a closed profile and that was the cause of the error, now I fix it and I complete the tutorial successfully
@@aymaneelhadaf1627 That's great - I'm happy to hear you were able to resolve the issue! Keep at it! Cheers, Kevin :)
Dang, I always forget about all the construction planes! I always end up drawing construction lines to get a point in space!
Hello Kevin & all: Like a few other comments, I struggled to get the "Loft" to work as described. (Chances are as I have seen in quite a few of my earlier mistakes, I made an error earlier in the design that prevented the Loft from working, I have seen this more than once and now I always stop and check when I see my result different from the tutorial.). So, seeing as I need to spend time today setting up my desktop for dual boot as Windows 7 support is ending (GRRRR!!!! don't get me started...) I instead drew an extra center circle on the bottom outer edge of the pipe and was able to mimic the tutorial and get the same (I think) result using the loft command with the circle and point instead of the profile and point. More than one way to deliver microwave ovens....
Hi, William. The most common issue I've seen (while using the Project command) is users have selected the edge of the pipe instead of the bottom profile. If you want to share the link to your file I can take a look at it to see if that's what happened. Cheers, Kevin :)
Extra circle worked for me in Dec 2022
Using "new" Fusion version the Loft command fails (at about 9:28 in video) with an error saying "There was a problem combining geometry together.
If attempting a Join/Cut/Intersect, try to ensure that the bodies have a clear overlap (problems can occur where faces and edges are nearly coincident)."
Everything looks the same until I change the cut to "join" then I get the error.
Stuck at the same spot. This tutorial wasn't hard on itself, but the new version of Fusion makes it a little harder I think. I managed to do everything but I get the same error
I had that issue too. I fixed it by redoing the projection sketch. I originally selected the xy plane but this time I selected the ring at the bottom where the loft would emerge from. Then I selected both circles that make up the ring and then created the projection with the intersect. After that I was able to create the loft to the point.
Dec 2022 - a few significant interface changes along with a different workflow surrounding creating planes before/after initiating sketches made this one impossible for me to follow. Projecting seems to be different in my newer version. Watched the video in its entirety to get the general feel of the order of operations. May revisit when my skillset allows me to find all of the workarounds.
Solved it a different way based on another tutorial. Created a square profile coil, selected the outer face and did a press/pull outward to create the blade. Always more than one way to accomplish a goal.
Am also stuck December 2022 with this. Projection errors.
the new projection method makes these old videos very frustrating. What I found out is the once you create the circular coil, it creates a path line along the outside edge. Use that path line instead since it is pretty much impossible to project onto a surface now.
Very helpful thank you! Please can you tutor a "conical helix"? Or direct me to a video that would help? Thanks for your lessons. Couldn't do without it!
you should update these vids as the new version of 360 is pretty different. Im haveing to research as i go and chat with support to get things to work right. other than that Id say 90% is still valid....so Good Work!!! haven't gone thru this vid yet tho. talking about previous. see what happens here
I can't find project/include in new version of fusion 360 where can I find it?
With the new UI you'll find the "project/include" command in the "Create" dropdown, but ONLY when you're in the SKETCH tab. The sketch tab will only be shown in your toolbar when you're in an active sketch environment. You'll have to create a new sketch first.
Alternatively, you can search for the project/include feature by using the keyboard letter "S" to activate the shortcuts box > search for the desired feature.
@@ProductDesignOnline The searching tool "S" is the easiest way to find things in the new UI. Thanks a lot for your help. You are the born teacher, Really, G-d bless you
@@alfonsinho74 I'm glad you find that helpful. That is generally what I use to activate features :)
When you make the line from the coil using off of the new plane along path, what degree do we need to use? You just created that line without using specific degree, are we supposed to?
This was focused on the process of creating a spiral not any actual dimensions of the product :)
Ok great.
Great series thanks Kevin, gave you a shoutout in my latest video.
Thanks, Mate! I really appreciate it. Keep your great content coming :)