The weird thing is that Stranger-Jonas probably did not even know about this when he dreamt about it. But there will be a strong significance at the end of the next episode.
Jonas and Martha did have sex before, but it was Jonas and the original Martha (remember it was after Jonas talked to Martha at the beach, about grandmas and the Internet) not this version of Martha.
Yes, at Katherina and Ulrich’s anniversary party where Ulrich cheated on her with Hannah for the first time. That Martha was the Martha who was shot and killed by Adam in the Season 2 finale.
Yep and also the dreams are not made up, they're just remembering that time. Except for the middle age Jonas one with the scarred back if I remember correctly
The saint Christopher necklace goes on a bigger journey than most of the characters in this show lol. The little girl at the doctors place was indeed Katharinas mom. And she names her daughter after Hannah.
Does it? If you look carefully its journey is not so impressive. It is not even mentioned in the first season although Jonas should have it somewhere at home and the Stranger should have brought it with him from whence he came. Afterwards it is not a "long" journey although it is an interesting one.
@@hikawa652 Katharina's father is Hermann Albers. We see him talking to Egon back in season 1 about his dead sheep, and he's also at the symbolic funeral that Jana holds for Mads. The website says Helene's maiden name is Wolf, so no, she and Hermann are not related, she just took his name at a very young age, seeing as she's only 12 when we see her at the Obendorfs' for an abortion. Or she could've just been using his last name because she didn't want anyone to know about the abortion, mirroring Hannah using Katharina's name as well. Also worthy to be noted is that Katharina isn't born until 1970 and Helene's scene with Hannah is in 1954, meaning she still went through with that abortion and didn't have Katharina until 16 years later.
@@northwind2538 oh makes sense, the backdoor abortion probably complicated her later pregnancies. maybe she was already married (betrothed) by then, hence the Albers.
NO SPOILER because they don’t touch upon this relationship in the future episodes. The trio is also Tronte’s father in both worlds, it’s implied in the conversation they had at the beginning and it’s also shown on the family tree (the trio is the infinity symbol on the family tree). The Trio is “the origin” because he is the beginning of all the families in both worlds because he conceived Tronte in both worlds with Anges. Tronte, in turn, is Martha’s grandfather and Jonas’s great-grandfather so Martha is her own great-great grandmother and Jonas is his own great-great-great grandfather. Basically the existence of the entire Nielsen family is a paradox because Jonas and Martha are both the beginning and the end of the family tree. And J&M are considered “Adam and Eve” because they are ancestors of most of the characters.
SPOILER Actually, Adam is no one's ancestor, because he never got to sleep with Alt-Martha (Eva), that was Jonas' other version, who died soon after, and never got to be his older self (Adam).
DARK Reaction Checklist 1. Did two characters have sex? YES - 4:25 - Hannah and Egon are getting it on in the 1950s in Adam's World. YES - 22:50 - We've finally reached The Moment. Jonas and Martha. 2. Did a character wake up from a nightmare? NO 3. Did a reactor make a comparison to LOST? 3:25 - "Shoulda seen her and Rana reacting to Sawyer and Kate fucking in the cage." 4. Did a reactor have their mind blown (OMG, WTF, etc.)? 4:55 - The Saint Christopher necklace makes a reappearance. 5:15 - Is... Hannah preggers!? 6:50 - "No! Literally... go home!" The trio almost strikes again. 16:50 - Nikki has a breakthrough. Almost. 19:25 - And thus Katharina gets her namesake. 23:15 - THEY CUT TO HIM! 5. Did a reactor call a plot twist in this episode beforehand? YES - Technically, they called the origin before it was revealed during the episode itself. 6. Did a reactor correctly call a plot twist for a future episode? NO - They made some brief assumptions like "AltMartha will need to get Jonas from his world still" but that's because we already know it happens.
They did come pretty close with one realisation... then again I would not call it a plot twist but a revelation since it was already revealed in the last episode and I think it is revealed again in this episode. I am obviously talking about a piece of th family tree.
the loop has not been broken, and just because they've been in the loop many many times, doesn't mean they remember each loop. This is why the loop keeps getting repeated, they think they are making progress, but just doing the same thing over and over.
They have never been in the loop many many many times. Everything only happens ONCE. From an outside perspective time is still a straight line. The thing is just that the characters move back and forth on the exact same line. The characters just see the exact same thing happening again. Of course they can't remeber anything because everything only happens ONCE to them. For things to repeat, time itself would need to reset and start again but that is not what is happening. They are not doing the same thing over and over. They just either see a future cause of an action they did yet do or they see someone doing the exact same action from different perspectives.
@@BoognishQC Dude, no need to apoligize^^. Sorry, I didn't want to be rude or sound douchy. I fell just for the same trap. It took multiple videos and explanations for me to accept that i was wrong and to understand anything in this 4D puzzle. But it's so much fun in this show to be wrong and then to finally get all the little bits one by one.
The song playing when Jonas and Martha are having sex talks about Ariadne, the play that Martha is practicing for the school in this world and in the other world in season 1. It also has some similarities and references in the story.
@@fallingintofilm I guess you didnt notice, but literally everything in the Alternate world (the world without Jonas where Alt Martha and Eva are from) is flipped. Like you’re looking at it in a mirror. The Kahnwald house (that Katherina and the Nielsen children are living in), the school, the nuclear power plant, the scars/bruises on AltMartha’s face. People, objects, places, everything. And when people or objects travel between the two worlds, they don’t stay flipped. They flip back and forth to match whichever world they are currently in.
The Origin is meant to be the start and end to the family tree. It's alluded that the Origin may be the father of Tronte which would connect to Ulrich's family. That's where it gets interesting!
As people have already said in the comments Tronte is the Unknown and Agnes's Son which is why the Unknown is called the 'origin' since he is the end and the beginning of the Nielsen line.
Such a great reaction, guys, and you’re so close to finally getting every answer! Just a small observation, Jonas and Martha DID do it once already, in 2x06 when Jonas went to 2019 to "stop" Mikkel from killing himself, in that party Jonas and Martha went to her bedroom and they had sex. Also, Nikki is right, don’t doubt yourself, Suraj!
I don't think anyone said this, but the murderer trio has a cut on this top lip, and it switches between the worlds. In the Adam's world it's on the right side but in Eva's world it's on the left side. Edit: and I know I'm a year late
"They're not related here" They actually are. Jonas still has her brother's genetics, regardless of whether he exists in Martha's world or not. Its still her brother's son...but once the timeline and peoples' genetics gets so convoluted who is to say what is wrong and right.
@@the_crypter Because Jonas was born from her brother in another world-line. Martha's brother in her world is, for the most part, genetically identical to Martha's brother from Jonas's world. It is still the same person. Thus, Jonas is genetically Martha's nephew.
@@the_crypter I would be willing to guess if you did a paternity test on jonas with alt mikkel it would come back positive. Just because they're alternate realities wouldn't mean mikkel's DNA isn't the same in both worlds and Jonas by definition has half his DNA. Alt Mikkel did not personally father Jonas but they absolutely share genetic material, it's also a bit more complicated than jonas having half of mikkel's dna because Jonas is also BOTH Mikkelses great great grandfather. 1 singular specific Jonas and 1 singular specific Martha father the singular origin man who alone is the great grandfather of BOTH mikkels. This also means that technically Mikkel gets 1/16th of his DNA from Jonas but Jonas also has half of Mikkel's DNA at the same time.
They're not related through alt-Mikkel's genetics, they're related through the fact that the Infinity/Unknown/Origin fathered both lines in the two worlds by coupling with both original Agnes and alt-Agnes who gave birth to original Tronte and alt-Tronte, who share the same father. It therefore doesn't matter whether it's original Martha or alt-Martha aka Eva, both are related to Jonas through the Infinity/Unknown/Origin - the only difference between them is their degree of relation, which is much closer for original Martha and much further apart for alt-Martha aka Eva.
Every time Obendorf appears in an episode the three of you forget that it even existed previously, and that's really funny to me for some reason. It's like the past is repeating. (:
He's "The Origin" because of 2 points that loop into eachother: 1. He's the child of Two people from 2 different worlds. 2. By fathering Tronte with Agness, He is, essentially, the origin of the bloodline that will end in himself. 2.a: "The Origin" + Agnes = Tronte Nielson Tronte + Jana = Mads & Ulrich Nielson Ulrich + Katharina = Magnus, Martha, & Mikkel Nielson -- Mikkel + Hannah = Jonas Kahnwald -- Martha (in Eve's World) + Jonas (in Adam's World) = "The Origin" (repeat ad infinitum. Adam & Eve begot both the beggining and end of both of their bloodlines in both worlds, or in other words, they can't exist without their child and their child only exists because of there being two worlds)
Looking very forward to episode 5, it`s going to be a shocker, and a roller coaster of emotions, can`t wait to see their reactions on that one, when will it be posted?
@@coreybell2223 They miss a lot of obvious things. I think because they’re together and they talk and miss things or something. 🤷🏾♀️ 😂 I watched this by myself with all the focus in the world. I also paused to collect my thoughts and string things together sometimes.
@@andid3153 *** Spoiler *** We already know at this point that Noah is Tronte’s uncle, not his dad. This means it still a mystery who his father is. The Origin having an intimate item (the bracelet) belonging to Agnes tells us that he knew her and it was likely a personal connection. The show strongly hinted to us that the Origin is Tronte’s father. This would also make sense seeing how we know the messed up family tree stemmed from the Origin. I think this episode officially answers some questions if you pause on the family tree on Eva’s floor if I remember correctly.
This old school book bags were still being used in the 80s. The Neverending Story was filmed near Munich and the kids in the store in the beginning of the movie had similar book bags.
even in the 2nd world they are related. Martha-Jonas Infinity (origin) Agnes Tronte Ulrich Martha (again) So martha is jonas' Great grand son's grand daughter
Just wanted to cover few points. 1) Nikki was right when she said Eve wants to save her kid by being in the loop and making sure everything happens exactly the same way. Adam wants to end this shit and wants "paradise". So it's Adam v Eve 😁 2) The infinity trio is making sure everything happens exactly the same way like it happened and that's why they are the origin because they made sure everything stays the same and did everything. 3) The trio is the father of tronte who is the father of Ulrich who is the father of Mikkel and Martha and Mikkel is the father of Jonas and jonas is father of the trio. So it's a big loop that starts from the trio.
. . . . . . . . . Why would you confirm/deny their theories about the character motivations, before it's revealed. And why would people upvote this spoiler.
The trio are not the origin because they take those steps to make sure everything happens. It’s true that they do that, but that part is an endless cycle, a bootstrap paradox with no origin. They are the origin because they are the common ancestor of almost all the major figures in the story, and most importantly, because they are the only being born of both worlds. They are the knot that ties the two worlds together.
@@abnercaballero3538 Spoilers . . . . . . . . . . I haven't told them anything that they haven't shown in this episode especially in regards to the "origin". 1) it's been shown that trio and Martha are working together against Adam and henceforth I made that statement. 2) In the next two points I was just telling them how the trio can be the origin which is shown already in the episode.
@@mustafahussain2416 I've been watching this show along with the Normies, so I think I can speak about this. What you posted are definitely spoilers. Especially the part about Adam's and Eva's motivations.
Their son isn't The Origin because he's an anomaly born from 2 different worlds. He's The Origin because he has sex with Agnes in both worlds and therefore Agnes gives birth to Tronte in both worlds. It's like there's 2 of everyone (2 Agnes', 2 Trontes, etc.) but there's only ONE of Martha/Jonas' child. If you look at the family map in this episode, it makes sense.
For some reason they’re not pausing, when they show the family tree onscreen. It answers everything. But I think one of them said they’re waiting until the end of the series to go back and look at it.
Another awesome reaction! The twists and turns of Episode 4! Hannah & Egon - dang! Looking forward to Episode 5! More power and God bless from the Philippines!
Nikki was a godsend in this reaction lol. Every time one of the other two went off on a completely obsolete tangent or theory, she would keep them on track. "THE STORE! HE GOT IT FROM THE STORE!" had me rolling.
Fun fact - their son says "Ich habe keine name", whihch means "I have no name". But if you write "Keine" directly as you say that, you'll get "Kaine" and people reading Bible knows, that Kain was Adams and Eves son.
But this only makes sense if the German word is interpreted with English pronunciation. The sentence correctly reads: "Ich habe keinen Namen." In German, this makes no association with Kain.
Obendorf is the last name of Eric, the first boy we know is missing (the one with the red hair who was hiding his drugs in the cave that they went for in the first episode).
The person who Agnes was hugging in the future, who you guys thought was young Agnes was not young Agnes. That’s Silja, the future girl who worked for Elisabeth in the 2050s. She said “Welcome to the Future” to Jonas before knocking him out when he arrived in the 2050s in the S1 finale, and then subsequently defied old Elisabeth to help Jonas escape the 2050s to the early 1900s via the God Particle blob.
Are you fucking kidding me with this comment? You've spoiled a story element that literally gets answered in 2 episodes time. Just leave them wondering for a bit.
Yeah, the three creepy people are Jonas's and Martha's child. Remember that he said that he had no name, and then the family tree has the infinity sign where Jonas's and Martha's child's name should be?
how do they know? i mean The Unknown is like the embodiment of a bootstrap paradox. He knows everything that is going to happen because the old man already lived it when he was a kid and middle aged but also living it now at the same time. So he can know what to do because he already did it but he is doing it because he did it already.
There is only one thing I don't understand. How does Noah and the old martha know what will happen to Jonas in the world of Eve, if, according to the middle Jonas, this has not happened yet, because he does not remember the world of Eve (that is, everything with Jonas in the world of Eve happens for the first time)
I know people hate Hannah but her storyline in this episode really resonates with me. She finally gets over her toxic obsession and dependence on others and learns to be herself.
There is actually videos on youtube showing the characters traveling in chronological order! But i advise you to watch it when you finish the show it will spoil stuff
"Did they have condoms back then?" lol people used contraceptives for millenia. Before latex existed, many different materials were used, like animal skin, or even animal organs, like stomachs and intenstines. I mean we still use that for making foodstuff, like sausages for example.
It’s so obvious she was watching ahead. Also, I need to know how the fuck Suraj knew the girl talking with Hanna was Katharina’s mom when he didn’t even have her last name right and before they showed her actual name. That made zero sense unless he had already seen the episode. There was nothing to hint at who she was before they said her name. Yet he got it when they said the Dr.’s name cause he thought that was her last name?
@@itsyoboyb6314 huh! exactly. he had been reading up ahead of reactions it seems. tronte's dad being jonas's and martha's kid being the trio was implied but this? you can;t know unless you read the name
The avatar gave tronte the bracelet because tronte is his like, great great grandpa (might've missed a great, not counting).. He needs tronte to spawn Ulrich who spawns Marta who gives birth to him... I saw this show before but literally didn't get that until I saw this reaction :'D
Cleft lip or cleft pallet have been said to be genetic deformation due to incest, so soon as i saw the nameless trio i knew they were Martha and Jona's child
Remember the nightmare with Jonas and Martha sleeping together and darkness growing out of her stomach? That suddenly makes more sense.
The weird thing is that Stranger-Jonas probably did not even know about this when he dreamt about it. But there will be a strong significance at the end of the next episode.
Jonas and Martha did have sex before, but it was Jonas and the original Martha (remember it was after Jonas talked to Martha at the beach, about grandmas and the Internet) not this version of Martha.
Yes, at Katherina and Ulrich’s anniversary party where Ulrich cheated on her with Hannah for the first time. That Martha was the Martha who was shot and killed by Adam in the Season 2 finale.
Yep and also the dreams are not made up, they're just remembering that time.
Except for the middle age Jonas one with the scarred back if I remember correctly
@MasterOnion North Technically true, but they seem to have completely forgotten about Jonas having sex with OG Martha.
The saint Christopher necklace goes on a bigger journey than most of the characters in this show lol. The little girl at the doctors place was indeed Katharinas mom. And she names her daughter after Hannah.
Does it? If you look carefully its journey is not so impressive. It is not even mentioned in the first season although Jonas should have it somewhere at home and the Stranger should have brought it with him from whence he came. Afterwards it is not a "long" journey although it is an interesting one.
@@michaelklaus But how Katarina's mom lost it and how Jonas found it is interesting.
The fact that Helene Albers is waiting to get an abortion at that age, means she was probably getting abused... Its just a really sad implication.
also if I’m not mistaken Katharina’s dad is Albers so if Helene was Albers at such young age that probably means they were related as well :(
@@giovannarodrigues2647 or Helene was a single mom and that's why Katharina’s lastname is also Albers, her father never recognize her
Except not at all
@@hikawa652 Katharina's father is Hermann Albers. We see him talking to Egon back in season 1 about his dead sheep, and he's also at the symbolic funeral that Jana holds for Mads. The website says Helene's maiden name is Wolf, so no, she and Hermann are not related, she just took his name at a very young age, seeing as she's only 12 when we see her at the Obendorfs' for an abortion. Or she could've just been using his last name because she didn't want anyone to know about the abortion, mirroring Hannah using Katharina's name as well. Also worthy to be noted is that Katharina isn't born until 1970 and Helene's scene with Hannah is in 1954, meaning she still went through with that abortion and didn't have Katharina until 16 years later.
@@northwind2538 oh makes sense, the backdoor abortion probably complicated her later pregnancies. maybe she was already married (betrothed) by then, hence the Albers.
NO SPOILER because they don’t touch upon this relationship in the future episodes.
The trio is also Tronte’s father in both worlds, it’s implied in the conversation they had at the beginning and it’s also shown on the family tree (the trio is the infinity symbol on the family tree). The Trio is “the origin” because he is the beginning of all the families in both worlds because he conceived Tronte in both worlds with Anges. Tronte, in turn, is Martha’s grandfather and Jonas’s great-grandfather so Martha is her own great-great grandmother and Jonas is his own great-great-great grandfather. Basically the existence of the entire Nielsen family is a paradox because Jonas and Martha are both the beginning and the end of the family tree. And J&M are considered “Adam and Eve” because they are ancestors of most of the characters.
@@tomaszenko13 Naaa, it's not. The episode clearly lays it out in front of you.
SPOILER
Actually, Adam is no one's ancestor, because he never got to sleep with Alt-Martha (Eva), that was Jonas' other version, who died soon after, and never got to be his older self (Adam).
@@aaronia8092 Damn, Adam died a virgin. 😭😭😭
@@Commander_Shepard. No, Jonas did sleep with his own Martha before she died, iirc.
31:23 Nikki is acting as the therapist of Suraj, asking him not to doubt himself, while holding a notebook.
LOL
DARK Reaction Checklist
1. Did two characters have sex?
YES - 4:25 - Hannah and Egon are getting it on in the 1950s in Adam's World.
YES - 22:50 - We've finally reached The Moment. Jonas and Martha.
2. Did a character wake up from a nightmare?
NO
3. Did a reactor make a comparison to LOST?
3:25 - "Shoulda seen her and Rana reacting to Sawyer and Kate fucking in the cage."
4. Did a reactor have their mind blown (OMG, WTF, etc.)?
4:55 - The Saint Christopher necklace makes a reappearance.
5:15 - Is... Hannah preggers!?
6:50 - "No! Literally... go home!" The trio almost strikes again.
16:50 - Nikki has a breakthrough. Almost.
19:25 - And thus Katharina gets her namesake.
23:15 - THEY CUT TO HIM!
5. Did a reactor call a plot twist in this episode beforehand?
YES - Technically, they called the origin before it was revealed during the episode itself.
6. Did a reactor correctly call a plot twist for a future episode?
NO - They made some brief assumptions like "AltMartha will need to get Jonas from his world still" but that's because we already know it happens.
If I read reactor, I think like a nuclear reactor.
They did come pretty close with one realisation... then again I would not call it a plot twist but a revelation since it was already revealed in the last episode and I think it is revealed again in this episode. I am obviously talking about a piece of th family tree.
I just watched the rest of the video and at 27:30 Nicki calls the motivations of Adam and Eve as they are revealed in the next episode.
@@michaelklaus Not really. She's not getting Adam's motivation at all, and that's just a part of Eva's motivation.
Wait, I'm I the odd one for thinking that Tronte was the normal one here?
I feel like Claudia is the creepy one there.
Considering Claudia married and had a child with Helge's father. Yup. Claudia is all kinds of effed up
@@AllTheArtsy
Claudia never married.
@@help4343 oh yeah, they just had a kid together, that's right. Considering the huge age gap, still pretty effed
I was waiting for my Monday morning dose of dark
Except it's 7pm
Where do you live? It’s 11:18 where I’m at
Of the AM
@@69savage76 I am originally from Libya but I live in turkey
@@tsukigakireii5531 except time zones exist
Lmao reaction 3X08 in the thumbnail. They are travelers
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the loop has not been broken, and just because they've been in the loop many many times, doesn't mean they remember each loop. This is why the loop keeps getting repeated, they think they are making progress, but just doing the same thing over and over.
They have never been in the loop many many many times. Everything only happens ONCE. From an outside perspective time is still a straight line. The thing is just that the characters move back and forth on the exact same line. The characters just see the exact same thing happening again. Of course they can't remeber anything because everything only happens ONCE to them. For things to repeat, time itself would need to reset and start again but that is not what is happening. They are not doing the same thing over and over. They just either see a future cause of an action they did yet do or they see someone doing the exact same action from different perspectives.
@@darcave7986 well said, you are absolutely correct. This shit can be confusing, my apologies.
@@BoognishQC Dude, no need to apoligize^^. Sorry, I didn't want to be rude or sound douchy. I fell just for the same trap. It took multiple videos and explanations for me to accept that i was wrong and to understand anything in this 4D puzzle. But it's so much fun in this show to be wrong and then to finally get all the little bits one by one.
@@darcave7986 No worries, I didn't see it as douchy, thanks for the clarification
The song playing when Jonas and Martha are having sex talks about Ariadne, the play that Martha is practicing for the school in this world and in the other world in season 1. It also has some similarities and references in the story.
You can always tell what world The Origin is in, because his cleft lip moves from the left to right side of his face based on which world he is in.
Wtf, why would that happen? Did they explain why?
@@fallingintofilm Everything in Eve world is flipped. Also the characters face
@@fallingintofilm I guess you didnt notice, but literally everything in the Alternate world (the world without Jonas where Alt Martha and Eva are from) is flipped. Like you’re looking at it in a mirror. The Kahnwald house (that Katherina and the Nielsen children are living in), the school, the nuclear power plant, the scars/bruises on AltMartha’s face. People, objects, places, everything. And when people or objects travel between the two worlds, they don’t stay flipped. They flip back and forth to match whichever world they are currently in.
@@spacecadet2172 Ah yes, got it. Lol I thought it physically moved sides.
@@spacecadet2172 How did he make two identical Trontes?
In another universe, Winden would be called Alabama, given all the connections.
it took me forever to realize the actress that plays Agnes, Antje Traue, was Faora in Man of Steel.
The Origin is meant to be the start and end to the family tree. It's alluded that the Origin may be the father of Tronte which would connect to Ulrich's family. That's where it gets interesting!
Suraj: “I live with my girlfriend”. So did Ulrich...
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omg hahahahaha
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As people have already said in the comments Tronte is the Unknown and Agnes's Son which is why the Unknown is called the 'origin' since he is the end and the beginning of the Nielsen line.
SPOILER
Nikki is spot on at 6:33 when she calls the fact that it's that one girl with Elizabeth.
Silja is Jonas' and Claudia's half sister.
Such a great reaction, guys, and you’re so close to finally getting every answer! Just a small observation, Jonas and Martha DID do it once already, in 2x06 when Jonas went to 2019 to "stop" Mikkel from killing himself, in that party Jonas and Martha went to her bedroom and they had sex. Also, Nikki is right, don’t doubt yourself, Suraj!
JONAS AND MARTHA ARE STILL RELATED.
MIKKEL IS STILL HIS FATHER. THEY SHARE DNA.
I don't think anyone said this, but the murderer trio has a cut on this top lip, and it switches between the worlds. In the Adam's world it's on the right side but in Eva's world it's on the left side.
Edit: and I know I'm a year late
"They're not related here" They actually are. Jonas still has her brother's genetics, regardless of whether he exists in Martha's world or not. Its still her brother's son...but once the timeline and peoples' genetics gets so convoluted who is to say what is wrong and right.
But her brother doesn't have a son in this world. So how are they related, it's completely different.
@@the_crypter Because Jonas was born from her brother in another world-line. Martha's brother in her world is, for the most part, genetically identical to Martha's brother from Jonas's world. It is still the same person. Thus, Jonas is genetically Martha's nephew.
@@the_crypter I would be willing to guess if you did a paternity test on jonas with alt mikkel it would come back positive. Just because they're alternate realities wouldn't mean mikkel's DNA isn't the same in both worlds and Jonas by definition has half his DNA. Alt Mikkel did not personally father Jonas but they absolutely share genetic material, it's also a bit more complicated than jonas having half of mikkel's dna because Jonas is also BOTH Mikkelses great great grandfather. 1 singular specific Jonas and 1 singular specific Martha father the singular origin man who alone is the great grandfather of BOTH mikkels. This also means that technically Mikkel gets 1/16th of his DNA from Jonas but Jonas also has half of Mikkel's DNA at the same time.
They're not related through alt-Mikkel's genetics, they're related through the fact that the Infinity/Unknown/Origin fathered both lines in the two worlds by coupling with both original Agnes and alt-Agnes who gave birth to original Tronte and alt-Tronte, who share the same father. It therefore doesn't matter whether it's original Martha or alt-Martha aka Eva, both are related to Jonas through the Infinity/Unknown/Origin - the only difference between them is their degree of relation, which is much closer for original Martha and much further apart for alt-Martha aka Eva.
@@svyatoslavrurikovich8831 its both really, I was just explaining how they are still aunt and nephew.
24:44 Suraj is still my favorite person in the world.
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I am in love with him. It is not healthy..I just can’t help myself haha
Every time Obendorf appears in an episode the three of you forget that it even existed previously, and that's really funny to me for some reason. It's like the past is repeating. (:
Jonas: we’re a perfect match
Martha: never believe anything else
Every one of us in our best fan girl voice: YESSSS!
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He's "The Origin" because of 2 points that loop into eachother:
1. He's the child of Two people from 2 different worlds.
2. By fathering Tronte with Agness, He is, essentially, the origin of the bloodline that will end in himself.
2.a:
"The Origin" + Agnes = Tronte Nielson
Tronte + Jana = Mads & Ulrich Nielson
Ulrich + Katharina = Magnus, Martha, & Mikkel Nielson
-- Mikkel + Hannah = Jonas Kahnwald
-- Martha (in Eve's World) + Jonas (in Adam's World) = "The Origin"
(repeat ad infinitum. Adam & Eve begot both the beggining and end of both of their bloodlines in both worlds, or in other words, they can't exist without their child and their child only exists because of there being two worlds)
Looking very forward to episode 5, it`s going to be a shocker, and a roller coaster of emotions, can`t wait to see their reactions on that one, when will it be posted?
They tend to post in Monday afternoons.
“They give Tronte his mom’s bracelet. God knows why.” 🤔 🤦🏾♀️ 😂
Lol. I was shouting at the Normies saying, “c’mon haven’t you figured it out!!! It’s so obvious!!!”
@@coreybell2223 They miss a lot of obvious things. I think because they’re together and they talk and miss things or something. 🤷🏾♀️ 😂
I watched this by myself with all the focus in the world. I also paused to collect my thoughts and string things together sometimes.
Please explain 🙈I also don't get it.
@@andid3153 *** Spoiler *** We already know at this point that Noah is Tronte’s uncle, not his dad. This means it still a mystery who his father is. The Origin having an intimate item (the bracelet) belonging to Agnes tells us that he knew her and it was likely a personal connection. The show strongly hinted to us that the Origin is Tronte’s father. This would also make sense seeing how we know the messed up family tree stemmed from the Origin. I think this episode officially answers some questions if you pause on the family tree on Eva’s floor if I remember correctly.
@@andid3153 Also, Agnes said her husband was abusive or dangerous. We’ve seen how the Origin acts. 🤷🏾♀️
This old school book bags were still being used in the 80s. The Neverending Story was filmed near Munich and the kids in the store in the beginning of the movie had similar book bags.
Suraj modern interpretive dance during the outro music came back!! That makes me unbelievably happy. Just sayin'.
8:40 Cheers Rana
31:25 The answer is "Eric Obendorf" the missing readhead kid
The fact that I thought of the same thing at 24:44 and laughed the same way when he said “her leg omg”
I'm glad Nikki didn't quit, because I sure as hell wanted to the first time I watched 3x3
Nikki killed it today, let’s hope she doesn’t give up by next week’s episode lol
even in the 2nd world they are related.
Martha-Jonas
Infinity (origin)
Agnes
Tronte
Ulrich
Martha (again)
So martha is jonas' Great grand son's grand daughter
Yeah, c'mon Suraj. He just got the necklace from the store.
...But Eloise Hawking was the shopkeeper.
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Yes Suraj, Jonas and Martha did do the dirty once before the summer, before Mikkel killed himself. You were right again
Just wanted to cover few points.
1) Nikki was right when she said Eve wants to save her kid by being in the loop and making sure everything happens exactly the same way. Adam wants to end this shit and wants "paradise". So it's Adam v Eve 😁
2) The infinity trio is making sure everything happens exactly the same way like it happened and that's why they are the origin because they made sure everything stays the same and did everything.
3) The trio is the father of tronte who is the father of Ulrich who is the father of Mikkel and Martha and Mikkel is the father of Jonas and jonas is father of the trio. So it's a big loop that starts from the trio.
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Why would you confirm/deny their theories about the character motivations, before it's revealed. And why would people upvote this spoiler.
The trio are not the origin because they take those steps to make sure everything happens. It’s true that they do that, but that part is an endless cycle, a bootstrap paradox with no origin. They are the origin because they are the common ancestor of almost all the major figures in the story, and most importantly, because they are the only being born of both worlds. They are the knot that ties the two worlds together.
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I haven't told them anything that they haven't shown in this episode especially in regards to the "origin".
1) it's been shown that trio and Martha are working together against Adam and henceforth I made that statement.
2) In the next two points I was just telling them how the trio can be the origin which is shown already in the episode.
@@mustafahussain2416 I've been watching this show along with the Normies, so I think I can speak about this. What you posted are definitely spoilers. Especially the part about Adam's and Eva's motivations.
Their son isn't The Origin because he's an anomaly born from 2 different worlds. He's The Origin because he has sex with Agnes in both worlds and therefore Agnes gives birth to Tronte in both worlds. It's like there's 2 of everyone (2 Agnes', 2 Trontes, etc.) but there's only ONE of Martha/Jonas' child. If you look at the family map in this episode, it makes sense.
For some reason they’re not pausing, when they show the family tree onscreen. It answers everything. But I think one of them said they’re waiting until the end of the series to go back and look at it.
@@coreybell2223 Personally, I think if it's shown on screen, then they should go back and look at it.
it's pretty obvious even if we don't look at the family map. the conversations reveal everything if watched closely.
Another awesome reaction! The twists and turns of Episode 4! Hannah & Egon - dang! Looking forward to Episode 5! More power and God bless from the Philippines!
The origin is Tronte's dad. It was made very obvious this episode. Come on guys.
Your reactions for this show are so good, I started watching the third season for the second time because of you guys!
yalls the reason I’m subscribed to the normies, everything yall on, I watch
Love this group ❤️
"They are not related in this world". Maybe not causally, but they are genetically. That is why the Unknown has a cleft palate.
Nikki deserve the award of the week for her post-episode theory on the 2 sides
What I find creepy is that Hannah must remember as she has seen him an old grandpa in her teens. 🤪
Also, Nikki and Rana had more intimate interactions during the Lost reactions than Nikki and Suraj lol...
Idk about that it was always intimate between all of them...
Probably because Rana sat in the middle most of the time.
The discussion about the origin of the necklace is priceless😂 "It's from the store!"
TWIN PEAKS is the next show to react to. *Like the comment guys so they can see it*
Older Peter and young Peter are also Father and Son in real life.
I don't think we have met young Peter yet...
@@pavanmaddini it’s the teenage dude Charlotte meets at the bus stop.
@@MKS_27 that's why he said "yet"
@@jmandan8728 sorry my bad.
The next episode is truly one of the most memorable. I swear! There are so many moments I'll never forget!
Obendorf was the surname of the boy that went missing in the first episode of season 1.
The question that yall need to ask is why did the "Origin" not kill Tronte. and why he aid that he takes after his mother.
Its great how Nikki is always wrong, like every episode
and so CONFIDENTLY wrong too 😅
Erik Obendorf-the ginger who went missing.
Nikki was a godsend in this reaction lol. Every time one of the other two went off on a completely obsolete tangent or theory, she would keep them on track.
"THE STORE! HE GOT IT FROM THE STORE!" had me rolling.
the creators of dark are working on a new netflix series!!!! im very excited
the thumbnail is episode 8 i was so shocked lmao
suraj n nikki you guys have a grt chemistry just accept it.
Honestly I wish I had that good chemistry with someone
for real, we know it's wrong **wink wink nudge nudge** but it can't be denied
you weebs jeering then on them is cringe
@@tytube3001 bro you call us weebs but you watch a channel called the normies
@@NicholasSteMarie if they were called 'weebs' I wouldn't be watching it
Oh, Ariadne...the best montage song.
Yayyyy, iths my birthday 😍😍😍😍 i like this gift!!!
Jonas found the St. Christopher Necklace in the lake the day before Michael suicide. There was a rumour of dead woman at the bottom of the lake.
I thought he found it on the beach?
The Trio said "Ich habe kein' Namen" in german. "Kein(en)" sounds lke the german Cain/Kain - the first born son of Adam and Eva.
Fun fact - their son says "Ich habe keine name", whihch means "I have no name". But if you write "Keine" directly as you say that, you'll get "Kaine" and people reading Bible knows, that Kain was Adams and Eves son.
Wow! 👍🏼
WHAT😱
But this only makes sense if the German word is interpreted with English pronunciation. The sentence correctly reads: "Ich habe keinen Namen." In German, this makes no association with Kain.
You guys, don't know if you already know this but the creators of Dark are making a new show called 1899!
Obendorf is the last name of Eric, the first boy we know is missing (the one with the red hair who was hiding his drugs in the cave that they went for in the first episode).
The person who Agnes was hugging in the future, who you guys thought was young Agnes was not young Agnes. That’s Silja, the future girl who worked for Elisabeth in the 2050s. She said “Welcome to the Future” to Jonas before knocking him out when he arrived in the 2050s in the S1 finale, and then subsequently defied old Elisabeth to help Jonas escape the 2050s to the early 1900s via the God Particle blob.
Are you fucking kidding me with this comment? You've spoiled a story element that literally gets answered in 2 episodes time. Just leave them wondering for a bit.
@@PLJogging all the stuff I’m talking about is from season 2 silly, calm down. They obviously didn’t recognize the actress
This is a potential spoiler for them get this deleted man !
Good stuff; Y'all are getting close to the end...is the beginning...
I could watch these 3 react all day. Favorites ❤️
Obendorf is Eric’s surname. He’s the first kid that went missing in season one.
Yeah, the three creepy people are Jonas's and Martha's child. Remember that he said that he had no name, and then the family tree has the infinity sign where Jonas's and Martha's child's name should be?
12:44 that's the best fcking scene of the trio
When he says "auf die Zukunft"
OMG gooooosebumps
*Normies bring up the elephant in the room*
Yall still gonna get shipped
I was shipping them in my head now I can make a comment about it
Idk I feel like it would be sooo uncomfortable if the internet shipped me with a platonic friend. Especially seeing how he has a girlfriend...
@@tilda4699 take a cup of humor will ya
@@Lolo-ji9xs ?? I was just trying to empathise and thing about how I would feel in their shoes??
@@tilda4699 whoa whoa chill bro nothing about this is serious no need for the defense mechanism 🤷
how do they know? i mean The Unknown is like the embodiment of a bootstrap paradox. He knows everything that is going to happen because the old man already lived it when he was a kid and middle aged but also living it now at the same time. So he can know what to do because he already did it but he is doing it because he did it already.
There is only one thing I don't understand. How does Noah and the old martha know what will happen to Jonas in the world of Eve, if, according to the middle Jonas, this has not happened yet, because he does not remember the world of Eve (that is, everything with Jonas in the world of Eve happens for the first time)
It's so good to watch your reactions!!
Die you ever notice that the Actress that plays Agnes also plays Faora in Man of Steel.
is this whole episode basically a mass revealing of origins for certain characters and plot points?
I know people hate Hannah but her storyline in this episode really resonates with me. She finally gets over her toxic obsession and dependence on others and learns to be herself.
gaslight gatekeep girlboss
how?
@@tzukishiro how what
They didn't mention that the link trio wrote the book. No one ever notices at first..
There is actually videos on youtube showing the characters traveling in chronological order! But i advise you to watch it when you finish the show it will spoil stuff
"Did they have condoms back then?"
lol people used contraceptives for millenia. Before latex existed, many different materials were used, like animal skin, or even animal organs, like stomachs and intenstines. I mean we still use that for making foodstuff, like sausages for example.
I was so confused by 3x8 in the thumbnail. Thought maybe I had traveled 😂😂🏃🏾♀️💨
How this show ends is just brilliant. I can tell you it's unexpected and involves some surprising persons. 🤔😏😁👍
20:08 LOL, the origin is umm macys, department store.
Umm..guys the thumbnail ...
Has Suraj watched Chronologically Lost? Might this trio consider reacting to that after they finish this show?
Niki always guesses things early on, a genius 😄
It’s so obvious she was watching ahead. Also, I need to know how the fuck Suraj knew the girl talking with Hanna was Katharina’s mom when he didn’t even have her last name right and before they showed her actual name. That made zero sense unless he had already seen the episode. There was nothing to hint at who she was before they said her name. Yet he got it when they said the Dr.’s name cause he thought that was her last name?
@@itsyoboyb6314 huh! exactly. he had been reading up ahead of reactions it seems. tronte's dad being jonas's and martha's kid being the trio was implied but this? you can;t know unless you read the name
The avatar gave tronte the bracelet because tronte is his like, great great grandpa (might've missed a great, not counting).. He needs tronte to spawn Ulrich who spawns Marta who gives birth to him... I saw this show before but literally didn't get that until I saw this reaction :'D
Tronte is also his son
Attempt #513: of trying to get The Normies to check out Symbionic-Titan or Primal.
Both made by Genndy Tartakovsky, the guy who made Samurai Jack.
The scariest one of the Trio is the middle aged one. When he turns around in the car, his eyes are fixed. Very creepy.
24:43 😂😂😂😂
Do not give Rama a time machine. Though that would be a hilarious story.
If you don’t believe that the beginning is the end, just try to draw a circle.
Cleft lip or cleft pallet have been said to be genetic deformation due to incest, so soon as i saw the nameless trio i knew they were Martha and Jona's child
"Time-line Dicks" the hot new single by MC Rana
Other-Martha and Regular-Jonas still share genes. They are related.
You are so wrong xD. You would not guess its ending. Its all revealled in the last episode and is something unexpected 100%