Rationality vs Spirituality debate - Syed Muzammil Shah and Shehzad Ghias - TPE Clips
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Syed Muzammil Shah is a news anchor, political analyst and vlogger.
Muzammil comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss the culture of irrationality, how religious extremism was promoted in Pakistan, the damage PTI is causing to the ideology of the youth and debate what is keeping us ignorant.
On this podcast we discuss the News Media Industry, Hasan Nisar, Nietzsche, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Imran Khan, Usman Buzdar, how dangerous TLP can be, our favourite philosopher, what is keeping Pakistan back and ofcourse, whether or not Muzamil is single.
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Pl do not interfere on almost every sentence. Have patience. It seems you start competing with every guest you invite. Anyway Thnx for inviting Muzamil, Its a treat to hear Muzamil.
Syed Muzzamil; the most rational person I have ever seen. That’s why my most favourite person in Pakistan.
An answer to Shezad's question: which (religious/secular/essential?) ideas spread without the sword? Ans: Buddhism for one.
what about jainism I heard that dont even hurt ant
@@sameerahmed1797 yeah they don't hurt even an ant. But Jainism never got royal patronage at pan India level in ancient times. Gujrat Kings gave their patronage to Jainism where it still exits in considerable amount. Though, kannada and odisha Kings too gave their support. But with Advent of bhaktism jainsim got swept away except in few pockets. The followers of this religion are now restricted to one caste group
Mere dimaag main bhi yahi aaya tah😂
Who told you that Buddhism spread without sword? In India Buddhism saw its peak during the reign of Asoka the great. It was Asoka's conquests that spread Buddhism all over India. In Tibet, the Buddhists persecuted or expelled all the believers of Bön religion. Even my own hometown all the Bon followers were converted to Buddhism after the conquest of this region in 7th century. Bon temples ( Ju khang) were converted into LHa khang ( Buddhist temple) . Stop distorting history
@@sajidasad4386 ashok was hindu when he slaughtered kalinga, he was ashamed and he converted to buddhism he sent missionaries without any violence
I was surprised to see Muzammil in the podcast today. Then I realized it was a clip from a past interview. He's been MIA due to a health crisis. Hope he feels better soon and we get to hear his opinions once again.
oh, I am so sorry to hear this! Allah oon ko shifa dey, inshallah.
Same..
I was excited that his new vedio came but Alas
Religion superiority complex is main problem for Pakistani society
@@ForwardThinkerstv470 in near future it will be the main problem in India too
What health issues?
Syed Muzamil is a visionary and beacon for Pakistan ...
*Buddhism was spread without the use of sword!!! 🙏🙏🙏*
That's right.
Ashoka left the chat
@@saifanrahman7052 dude because of waging wars for soo long... He joined Buddhism due to guilt 🙏🤷🏾♂️
@@saifanrahman7052logic and facts have clearly evaded your small brain
@@saifanrahman7052he took up Buddhism later
Hello sir! I begin study because of you" Muzammil.
You call Muzammil in your show, thats great, but unfortunately you tried to dominate him and kept interrupting him, and you completely failed to create your narrative, Muzammil has more clarity and speaking ability and you are still confused even in this show and try to speak without clarity. We listen you in every show but let the guests speak first.
Shehzad bechara Nida Yasir to hay nhi k bagher tyari k interview kernay a jaey. Plus it's a conversation between two people so he's within his rights to have his own opinions. Plus online interviews can be tricky. There's a time lag due to which both host and guest start speaking together. That can cause overlapping sometimes.
@@ThePakistanExperience After commenting here I went to watch "PIDE" guy, Nadeem Haque, I salute you shahzad, you listened and bear this soul for so long, I have watched your whole podcast before with muzammil and in this clip you can see muzammil kept speaking but your voice was high, well this is natural though, but I like to hear muzammil thats why I comment, no offense. Keep it up.
It was Khilji not Gajnavi who burnt library.
they were both barbaric
Scope of rationality in sufiism = 0.
Rationality in that statement is 0
Taking about sufism without getting into it's domain is an ignorance of highest order. GET into the space and know things on your own.
@@vlogjk6404 Correct!
@@vlogjk6404 Also, taking sufism as an essentialist homogenous system of thought or practice is neither academic nor serious.
Sufis supported bloodthirsty murderers of hindus
Nalanda University was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji
Thought provoking
Thanks for all the hard work shehzad
Agree on empire formation by sword in that era, which was the norm in those times.
Shahzad itni mehnat.... how do you manage all this.. share you time management skills.. i truly appreciate your efforts..
@@ThePakistanExperience haha yai to hai... relatable answer but single reh kay bhi itni mehnat ufffffffffffff mushkil kaaam hai 😂😂
Hard work dikhta hai yours.. qabl e tareef hai
Whatever is wrong, blame it on India ☝️
The answer to his question is all of the religions born out of the sub continent. Hinduism Sikhism Buddhism Jainism.
he said there was no rational tradtion in india before britishers , what about kerala school of mathematics ? indian logic ? i can give you 100 books written on logic and rationality in india before britishers have arrived . when you say "we" were eating biryani and seeing mujra , i assume you are talking about muslim brothers ( turks ), because there is a rich history of maths, philosophy , medicine, astronomy in india far superior than the so call white science before britishers , he should read how british conquered india , it was not because they had superior culture or something , wars are always won by war tactics , british had superior institutional management , more than half of its army was indian . turks became successful in india because of monopoly on horse market , turks ruled persia , anatolia , parts of arabia and egypt , not because they had superior science,arts,culture etc , but because they had superior war tactics , and large horse cavalry , which is common because most of the world biggest horse market are in steppes . and this is also the reason why genghis khan so easily conquered most of the asia , so to assume that indians (hindus ) were intellectually inferior to british is not true, our mathematics was most advanced untill 17th century . read about the hindu influence on islamic golden age, and how today we are using indian mathematics to do basic calculations . don't ever try to say that we were eating biryani or watching mujra that's why we lost, we lost because we had no sense of institutions
hats of you for your comment th-cam.com/video/LuoJ2SK0m9g/w-d-xo.html
First of all learn to use paragraphs. Second of all Hindus didn’t invent any of those things you guys re-writing history to make yourselves feel better which is pathetic. Muslims discovered most of the things you mentioned.
If you think arabs and Turks ruled over India by being dumb your are stupid yourself. I think India needs to get rid of its inferiority complex, accept history and love their minorities such as muslims. The very concepts you love you don’t even practice what hypocrisy.
Yeah you are right. They dnt know about the history of Vedas. VED have modern maths and scientific knowledge. But they never think about that actually.
@@ammanjee7919 read Vedas first
@@saifanrahman7052 kia apne parhy hen ??? Any ref which proves me wrong ?
Excellent podcast. Very enlightened discussion. Btw Muzammil, just a small observation. There is a big chronological difference between the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire. Muslim armies fought with the Roman Empire (Byzantines). Roman Empire transformed into the Holy Roman Empire in the 12th century.
Who was the vlogger at 8:00
You kept interfering Mazzamil Bhai. Otherwise it was overall good, at least you have given each sentence when Muzammil bhai was speaking
07:11 yar ye kindly btao ye kon blogger hai
Same question
last line was the best one "22 saal struggle ki and 22th sal pta chala k ese PM ni bnna" :D
Why is the host always slightly out of focus. Camera is focused on the microphone that’s why 🤷🏻♂️
Renaissance was the product of GrecoRoman traditions. Islamic “philosophers” from Central Asia were Greco Roman too. This is why such Islamic philosophers were soon considered “heretics” thus they were treated badly and ultimately the whole philosophy was killed.
Muzmmail. I am so proud of you because you have a analytical mind . Your guest is apologetic and not very honest
Please unmute the mike
Bro you interrupt too much. Atleast have the courtesy to let the guest speak without interruption.
What source that says Renaissance was from Islam?
www.thefridaytimes.com/2021/07/09/influence-of-the-islamic-golden-age-on-the-european-renaissance/
Bro became joe rogan for a moment 10:58
Religion is not equal to spirituality.
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7:20 Who is the vlogger Muzammil is talking about?
I'm student of political science and I faces with many problems in these things like sectarianism and secularization of society and state even in social science class so how can we develop our illetrat and especially educated illetrates .
it's simple, start changing education system
Why you invite guest when you keep displaying your knowledge all the time
No sound coming
@@ThePakistanExperience can you somehow do a podcast with major gaurav arya on indo pak relations
@@ThePakistanExperience I can hear it now
@@ThePakistanExperience major gaurav has come to arzoo Kazmi's channel and qamar cheema channel.
I don't have any contact with him.
Yaar khaa makhaa itna khush howa
Mai or pani ka molecule ek he hain 🤣🤣 one needs two tabs to relate to that
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Love waali quote ...woh bhi kaha pe.......
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What is "Rationality"?
Logic.
@@theguyver4934 which logic deductive, inductive, kantian logic or hegalian logic??
I think both the participants need basic education in Sufi tradition
sufi tradition is not equal to Islam
Sir Murtaza u are Right 👍
Sufiism ka meaning ko samjhna chahiyy pehly. Aik sufi hi k pas real understanding hoti hai
Sufi tradition is mainly borrowings from the Advait philosophy of the Upanishads
Do a podcast on How a poor person on the road live peaceful and blessed life as compared to a person having job ,Car and home , invite Rohail Hayyat as an expert 😂😷
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Nalinda was allegedly destroyed by khilji who conquered the whole Bengal and Bihar with few hundred horsemen, was there any discipline taught there how to wage war and defend themselves? If not that was a useless university deserved the fate it met.
yr tasawaf mean, kill your ego, be patient, focus on your evils not others. and do your work with sincerity, love for All but no discrimination. ab taswaf ko darhi rakhna or lamby krty pehna or bus khuda ke ibadat krna or logon sy kehna mein khuda ke ibadat krta hon iski qimat ada kro....
جو بھی کوئی نماز روزہ ادا کرتا ہے تو وہ خدا سے جنت خرید رہا ہے اس میں اسکا اپنا فائدہ ہے اور سرکار نے ایسا کیا کیا ہے قوم کے لئے
Capitalism is not kangaroan.
Buddhism waa never spread through sword and neither the Hindu eligion.
Old post in new bottle.
Spiecy debate with little bit matured points , but not fully educated or fully focused on topic .. neem hakeem khatra e jan neem mula khatra e eeman
But overall appreciated..
Host se request hai guest ko toke na aur kisi ek language ko leke conversation kare
Let ur guest speak ... Host is asking questions n answering himself.
Buddhism spread without sword
Is considering "rationality" the first, foremost, key and absolute value in the search of reality a perfectly rational idea ? Why is your anger or prejudice with the prevlent ecosystem of the managament of religion and spirituality causing irrationality creep in your ideas Muzammil?
epistemological rationality is the best philosophical strategy we have to describe reality.
Khudi ka falsafa khushal khattak oramgzaib ky waqat main de gaya tha pathano main..par afsoos hum kabhi bhi aise logo ko appreciate nh krty
SM is too pessimistic/ depressing person
He is going to become what he Hates - Hasan Nisar
The interviewer was out of depth. Interrupting before Muzammil hasn't even completed a whole sentence and spewing out the borgor concepts of sufism and renaissance and such. Muzammil handled it tho but we could have had much more
Shakespear was a poet and he define in his poems nauturalism. But the Dien islam n ot made by aman opininion Orders of Allah the Allmighty of Quran you cannot change its zeer zuber or point of the holy Quran othrwise you make tehrief in the holy Quran which called Haram .How you can writ the word inne momitoka wa rafioka ilayya .will you chang that wa rafioka ilyya and then wa inni momitoka .Never Allah inform you first of all that you willgive death and then i willgive you high status which information is for all Anbia .how you can chage for your self .kia tum Allah se berth ker hojo ziada janty ho ya muoulvi .
BD is an autocratic state, mare economics should not derail your liberalism.
MY FUTURE PRIME MINISTER IS SYED Muzamil hussain
He always invite desi Liberals
Javed Ghamidi is the need of our time.
Indeed
First of youavoide to joth dianat dar bany loylty ikhtiar kery
The guy has no readings and understanding of islamic intellectual history.
Who ?
nalanda was burned by bhakhtiyar khilji
Syed muzammil has quite rigid ideas. Incapable of accepting new ideas
Muzammil shows he has rigour in his thinking. Not rigidity.
QADIYANI MUZAMMIL IS REAL GEM OF INDIAN RAW
Hi Syed muzammil, I love your thorough analysis and rational conclusions.
I just disagree with you on the prophet Muhammads “Sulaha Hudebia contract and Madina, my points:
The contract of hudebia was just to get time (Takia) because Mohammad knew that this time he was not going to win the war.
Jews lived in Madina as second class citizens. They had to pay extra tax prophet Mohammad let killed 600 Jews took their women as slaves Also he attacked many other Jews and pagan tribes. A significant part of the economy of Madina was run by war booty.
Quresh had been very tolerant. Mr Mohammad used to abuse their God and Goddesses. They complained so many times, but he wouldn't listen.
After he conquered Mecca, he chopped all their Gods, didn't give them a chance to take their holy figures away, yet gave them an ultimatum to accept Islam in a particular period or leave Mecca.
K
This Muzammil guy has such a simplistic worldview lol. Shows the overall degradation of liberal tradition world is witnessing now. Liberal tradition now has lost its ideological pivot. Especially, Pak liberals have some other kind of worldview lol. They seem to get influenced by everything that has "gora rung" in it. Koi Marx, Gramsci prhao inhain kuch imperialism or neo-colonialism ka pta chlay inhain.
Marx, Engels, Gramsci were all "gora rung" in case you didn't know
@@corvoattano9303 bhai don't perplex the discussion deliberately. sb ko pta hai the which gora rung I am talking about.
@@waqarali-ph8pg Well I don't. Please elaborate on what you mean by gora rung
@@waqarali-ph8pg the stuff you mentioned marx, gramsci and imperialism.
muzammil has succintly talked about on the podcast and in his own videos.
in this he agreed with Shashi Tharoor's opinion on british colonialism and imperialism in the subcontinent.