@roger adams And the training back then was prehistoric compared to today. Yes FloJo would be 10.3 with todays information and 21.0 or less for the 200m.
@Mickey Smiths so back in 1988 they knew you could train average athletes to have 40" verticals? Maybe the Russians knew but Americans felt it was 90% genetic vs 40% genetic they know today. What about 9.82 Chinese sprinters? Is that top if the world genetic materials or is it consimate training with improved knowledge? Back in 88 they didn't know about nutrition as well as today and any lifting was body builder style, which won't really help speed and explosiveness. Why all the mid 4 second high school 40 yard runners today? In 88 they'd be happy for high 4s and the occasional mid or low 4. Back in 88 was they were putting an emphasis on development of a strong "core" ( abs, oblique and lower back )?, no they didn't. What's so baaddd about saying training is much better and so ims sports science? Shes gonna thump that wr and the 200 too. Then 10.6 100m will be more common along with 21.5 or better 200m. She'Carri was on the pace for big numbers but got herself distracted with negative attention.
@Lions Truth stop gassing up Flo Jo lol. You and I know that the 10.49 sec she ran was very wind aided which was well over a 2.0 mph tailwind because the clock malfuncted due to the heavy winds. If Elaine Thompson had a 1.5 mph tailwind at the Olympics she would have broken that flimsy record.
We all love sprinting, its about the sport and we want to see records broken and we have been waiting on a woman to break the record set by the legend Flo-Jo. Elaine is our best hope.
I would simply enjoy the moment and appreciate what it is. But to put that much pressure on a athlete to break a record is unreasonable. Records are broken by chance no athlete says I'm going to break the record they just know if they perform well it can happen. It also may not happen by the person the closest to breaking it. This is good for the sport no doubt but record or not it's been a great ride.
My only problem is your comparison, I know that's the title but hear me out. Is there a comparison between Flo Jo 10.54 s her 10.59. Understanding the argument of zero wind aide I'd be interested in how those races differed because I like others believe Flo Jo could've run faster and whenever her records are broken that'll simply help prove that point. It's hilarious how when Men run insanely fast there's no breakdown of the impossible just made possible. But with women it's just an entirely different treatment from what I've seen. Thanks for the vid.
@@Performancelabofcalifornia I understand height makes a difference.But wouldn’t leg length play more of a factor? Some Athletes may have longer or shorter legs. I love this Video because for years people claimed Flo-Jo was juicing. But people fail to realize how flawless her technique was. I can’t imagine the degree of training it took to get that precise.
It's ridiculous how fast shelly has been able to go given her size/stride length, she's pretty much reached the physical limit of sprinting for her body type
You don't reach in sprinting, its a hop. Leg length is practically irrelevant when in the normal range because you're doing small jumps. So no tall people do not have an advantage. That would only apply if one foot was touching the ground while the next step is taken but thats not sprinting that's how we walk 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the fact bolt is taller isn't the reason why he has less strides. Its more based on force production than anything else. Take any 6'5 sprinter or taller and their strides will never be as low as bolt. Tyson gay and Blake have less strides than basically everyone no matter if they are taller. Bolt is the only one with more strides because his force production is higher. You see how looking at a few things can make you believe stupid things? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You just have to look at the two of them run to see what the difference is. Elaine said she has been studying Flo-Jo's races. Everybody should. The mechanics were probably the greatest in history and the stride length unbelievable.
Flo Jo had the best front side running mechanics maybe ever. Her stride length was insane for her height. To this day I have yet to see someone duplicate her running form. At full acceleration it looks likes she's floating.
Height literally has little to no effect in sprinting, why do you people repeat the same bs. Like try and explain the science to me and see if it makes sense 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You don't reach in sprinting, its a hop. Leg length is practically irrelevant when in the normal range because you're doing small jumps. So no tall people do not have an advantage. That would only apply if one foot was touching the ground while the next step is taken but thats not sprinting that's how we walk 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the fact bolt is taller isn't the reason why he has less strides. Its more based on force production than anything else. Take any 6'5 sprinter or taller and their strides will never be as low as bolt. Tyson gay and Blake have less strides than basically everyone no matter if they are taller. Bolt is the only one with more strides because his force production is higher. You see how looking at a few things can make you believe stupid things? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Power. FloJo was way stronger and her technique was way more precise. Precision and power are the true factors. Just one year ago FloJo's records were impossible now with the Jamaican ladies accomplishments the records seem attainable. Better technique and more power there are no limits.
Records are meant to be broken, it shows you the magnitude of what flojo accomplished. That's why we're talking about it now. COACHES TALK BUT ITS THE ATHLETES THAT PERFORM
Maybe, the Jamaican's are juicin'🤔. Shelly is 36-37yrs old and seem to be getting faster and stronger. I don't hear anyone with a raised eye brow about them👀. FloJo is the greatest sprinter of all-time. Period.
Yes it would be nice especially at a time now when Sterioids and enhancing drugs are illegal. Back in Flo Era they got away with these things because it was harder to detect, I've watched all her races and suspect that she might be on something like a body builder
@@Nearlygoodaim a lot of people look at her record with suspicion and I can see why. Elaine and the rest of the Jamaican team are just such great ambassadors of the sport. This is one small little country that everyone seems to get behind whenever their sprinters are at the track. I’ve been in rooms where there’s not a Jamaican in sight and we’re all screaming our heads off going for their runners, lol. It’s amazing.
@@illwitness I am Jamaican myself and I tell you why we so fast at track and field, it's because most children runs for their school team/grade from kindergarten all the way up to college...every school in Jamaica have a day just for track and field even the poorest kids runs bear feet that day that's why we so passionate when it's Olympics season.
@@Nearlygoodaim great genetics as well. I’ve always considered Jamaicans to be the creme de la creme of the black diaspora. The best women too, god help me, lol.
It takes a simple Google to avoid stupid takes like this. If you check majority of not all the times of the other runners in that race, you'd notice that they ran huge lifetime bests that day which adds to the suspicion
Flo Jo has longer legs but so does Blessing Okagbare who is way taller than Flo at 5'11 , and Blessing has lost to 5ft Shelly and many more shorter women , so length doesn't really matter. Flo Jo was a one of a kind SWAN. That was her gift. Her whole running style and mindset in that race, is why she is still undefeated. It's so easy to be jealous of Flo Jo, but ain't nothing new , we call it Black Girl Magic 😘 Great vid!
Real athletic fans know that Flo Jo record should not be the world record. The long jump was simultaneous to the race with a +4.5 wind which is illegal. But hey it is the record.
FloJo's 10.54 was not valid. The wind speed was 3.0m/s way above the allowable limit. Elaine Thompson-Herah 10.54 is valid. Done in negligible windspeed of 0.9m/s.
@@DanielIsraelite and elaine isnt? look at her physique compared to flojo who was petite. If you accuse flojo then you should also elaine whos best time until this year was 10.70.
@@Johnny_Thunder Elaine's physique looks way more realistic and attainable. FloJo looks like she was chugging male hormones. Even her face was so defined, it looked like it was about to grow a beard.
@@speedstreak914 elaine looks like a man compared to flojo who was petite and still looked feminine. you must be blind. fraser just ran 3rd fastest time in history at age 34, what a joke the whole team is cheating
@Mickey Smiths Interesting. So Briana got the best start you've seen and still ran a 11.09 second to last. Meanwhile Elaine didn't really beat Sha'Carri out of the blocks (Shelly, Sha'Carri and Elaine are pretty even at 4:24 until everything changes in the next few strides), but still ran a 10.54 once she hit turbo. The rookies got severely smashed on by the vets, lol
I love T&F and the men and women are equally exciting to watch and I love all athletes from every country. Records are made to be broken. I can't wait to see Elaine T. does next in 2022 at her attempt at Flo-Jo's record.
One thing you overlooked looked was the way they came out of the blocks. Look at how much more smoother FloJo came out of the blocks that Elaine. FloJo's first 5 steps were smooth. Elaine kind of short chopped her 2nd and 3rd step and the 4th and 5th step looked choppy, as compared to FloJo making an almost full step on her 3rd step. Then you have to look at how much more quicker FloJo got into her sprinting phase instead of staying in a drive phase for the first 40 meters. FloJo's drive phase only lasted about the first 20 to 25 meters...if that. Look how much longer it took Elaine to get into her sprinting phase. After they come out of the blocks there is another white line that they cross. Look at where FloJo is in her phase compared to Elaine's phase when she crosses that white line. FloJo is almost at full speed right there. It's like two swimmers diving in the pool at the same time, but one swimmer comes from underwater and starts swimming before the other person does. Questions: 1. What were their reaction times? That's very important. In Dragracing it's called a "HoleShot". 2. What were their MPH...Top Speed? 3. When did they hit their Top Speed? 4. How long did they carry that speed?
Bro flo Jos record was wind assisted so talk all u want Abt smoothness and style and all the other bs u mentioned and yet Elaine with her choppy style according to is still father than Flo Jos ...nobody has ever maintained their top end speed as long as Elaine .....period ....Elaine is the better sprinter
@@jaimevazquez5710 You're an Idiot. I ran both of their runs side by side and in super slow motion. Flo Jo was ahead of Elaine after the first 3 steps and was out of her drive phase about 15 meters before Elaine. There was a white stripe that runs across the field about 20 meters from the start and FloJo hit it before Elaine did. FloJo's leg turnover was also faster than Elaine's. So at the end of the day...FloJo still would've whooped dat A**.
Awesome video. Very well done! Thanks. But here's the issue that I have. We don't know exactly what the wind was for Flo Jo but they said that it was legal. That should be enough! But Apparently, it's not enough for some people. I've been watching Elaine Thompson and others for years. And she has ran plenty of races with a legal wind at her back and guess what, she didn't break the freaking record!!! We act like she's never had a fair chance to do that. In the 100 or so races in her career, she's never had a 1.5 or 1.0 wind at her back. Well, I've seen plenty of her races and she has. She's just not as fast as Flo Jo yet. Why can't people just freaking accept that! Now, I believe that Elaine has a real shot of breaking Flo Jo's record. And that would be awesome. But to me, Flo Jo's race will always be better. Here's why. Everyone in the race has the same conditions. Period! So, if there's a legal wind at their backs, then they ALL have that same wind at their backs, right!? If there's a slight head wind that they're running into. Then they ALL have that same headwind, right!? So, what I look at is how much faster is the winner than everyone else in her race. Flo Jo was on another level from the rest of the world period. No one was even close to her. Elaine is still competing with others. Shelly Anne wasn't too far behind her. But no one in the world was close to Flo Jo, and they had the same wind as her. That is the difference! So, can we please stop speculating about a wind that we don't know anything about or if drugs were involved, that we don't know anything about and just look at what was accomplished. Cause honestly, no one knows who's using illegal substances or not. We have to remember, Flo Jo wasn't always that fast. She was getting beat when she first started out. She just worked her ass off to develope a technique that to this day has never been duplicated. Scientist were freaking studying her, that's how perfect they said her technique was. So, can we give the woman her due. Please. She got sick very young. And had a shorter career than most. And she died young. She has earned the top spot So, I have my fingers crossed for Elaine. I'm a big fan of track and Field period. And I hope I am lucky enough to see one of the greatest records ever: broken in my lifetime. But I will not disrespect Flo Jo. Until her record is broken. She is and will always be the Queen. Period!!!
"Flo Jo was on another level from the rest of the world period. No one was even close to her. Elaine is still competing with others. Shelly Anne wasn't too far behind her. But no one in the world was close to Flo Jo, and they had the same wind as her. That is the difference! " That's because Shelly-Ann is the third fastest woman of all time. Compare Flo-Jo's winning time of 10.49 and second-place finisher Evelyn Ashford's 10.83 (a 0.34 s difference) to ETH's 10.54 and SFP's 10.73 (a 0.19s difference). The competition is just that much higher nowadays which is what makes Flo-Jo's winning margin look so huge by comparison. Elaine Thompson-Herah with 10.54 s is just 0.06 s faster than Shelly who has a PB of 10.60, much better than Evelyn Ashford's (no disrespect, she was another of the greats).
America officials claims it was legal, not IAAF and it went to court. However, America at the time bullied IAAF to ratified the race as legal. The world knows it was massively wind aided. The athletics propaganda of the 80s between USA, China & Russia… it’s a tainted record across the world.
@@brucelee3204 remember Carl Lewis positive drug test was swept under the rug..... Flo Jo cause of dead took a while before 1 was released. Lance Armstrong did drugs for years without getting catch.
Thanks Morey for being extremely honest in this video.. also I applaude your posting consistency I can see you truly love the sport . Both ladies are legends fasho!
I ain't going to lie dog Flojo has a unique style and if you really look at her running style back in those days they never held their head down at a starter for race I don't know why they doing now but Flojo remind me of Wonder woman
We all hope Elaine thompson runs under 10.49 to erase flo jo records because we all know it's a fake record. I will not even talk about flo jo progression or her sadly ending but if we take in account that during the 10.49 race all the girls have run their pb in a QUARTER FINAL of the trials you just have to use your brain to see that something abnormal (like wind) help them to run such times...
No they did not run their personal bests, Diane Williams 10.88 PB 10.86 Gail Deevers 10.98 PB 10.77. And then in the third quarter final race the wind was read at 5.0ms and the then world record holder Evelyn Ashford ran a 10.91 when the record was 10.76. I would say Flo Jo at the least was capable of low 10.5s if that wind was not legal that day as most suspect.
Nothing you can say are do to take flo jo crown ! Elaine are Jackson going to show the world 10.47 and leave the world into suspense and prove to the world that it can be done flo running style was perfect .
@@kokokoko3298 no, it's a statement recognizing her potential to be able to do better by fixing small things. Cuz SAFP lacks speed endurance, and that's been proven by her 200m times over the years against some of the other top tier sprinters like Allyson Felix, Elaine Thompson, or Dafne Schippers
Putting the "Wind" controversy aside, there are several factors not mentioned that needs more research. 1. Is the length of the athlete's stride. 2. Is vertical motion of the leg and contact foot to the track and how long and what part of foot made the contact by the athlete's. 3. Their arms motion in symmetry to the motion of the rest of the body. 4. Relaxation after reaching maximum speed and position of the head going through the aforementioned while in motion. IOW More technical data on the total mechanics of the sprinter's. Moreover; The technologically enhanced advancements from 1988 to 2021, that increase speed endurance and overall performances. Such as; comparisons of cinder tracks to synthetic tracks with more bounce, spike and water resistance and absorption, etc.. Flat leather spiked(type) shoes vs leather and synthetic materials with more bounce, etc.. Training and exercise equipment with speed variations and vital sign monitoring. Modern legal nutritional and energy supplements. IOW Today's overall Track enhanced environment has improved tremendously; Including the social status of Women in Society. In addition, to the popular growth of Track and Field as a mainstream sport. Finally; The monetary sponsorship of the athletic clothing and apparel Industry and other consumer marketing agencies that additionally supplements Today's Athletes that Flo Jo's Era did not have. For example: Had She not have to quit school and track several times to support Herself and Family and only pursue it part-time at vital times in her career only God knows what She would have accomplished. What we do know that marrying Al Joyner stabilized Her environment; And as Her husband, best friend and coach in a short time along with Bobby Kersee; They helped Her become The World's Fastest Woman. Peace...
I'm neither American of Jamaican. So for me I just want to see great competitive races. That's what I loved during the Bolt era. Even though I was rooting for him to win, I loved that he had other athletes like Gay, Blake, Gatlin & Powell pushing him to the limit. It's what makes the sport exciting. And we now have it with the female sprinters. People should be embracing it instead of shitting on someone because they lost. The potential final in the next world champs could be insane. We could see something really special.
I don't think most people are 'shitting' on anyone for losing, it's the attitude of seemingly poor sportsmanship on display that is being 'shitted' on.
Yeah not to take anything away from the men today but I think that was when the men’s sprinting was at its best.. Bolt, Gay, Powell and many others were constantly putting out insane times.. Now women’s sprinting is at its best ever in my opinion.
So he's saying Flo Jo's time was wind aided...but not for the other runners in the same race...Just in Flo Jo's lane. Since Flo Jo accomplished this time, people have been knocking her down...I'm sick of it.
With track surfaces providing less force reduction properties and better sprint techniques to take advantage of same, the record seems ready to go. Interesting that as PJ Vazel noted on Twitter, the difference was in speed stamina.
The only breakdown needed is; FloJo's 100m and 200m times were PEDs aided, and Elaine Thompson-Herah's isn't. For all the FloJo supporters, please explain why FloJo never ran another sprint race after October 6th, 1988 in Tokyo? Also explain why the women's 100m, 200m, and 400m sprint records were all set during the 1980s, and still stand today? Could it be related to the fact that the women of the 1980s were using anabolic steroids and other PEDs that could not be detected during that era, but can be detected now? Could it be due to the fact that there was no out of competition random drug testing like there is today? FloJo "retired" from sprinting almost immediately after her triumphs at the Seoul Olympics to focus on the 5K, the 10K, and the marathon. Imagine all the money she gave up with that move. No appearance fees, no endorsement deals, not even an offer to be a color commentator at track and field events, nothing. Why is that? She had the glamour, the beauty, the fashion, everything going for her, yet nothing. There is a "view" that she failed her drug tests at the Seoul Olympics along with a lot of other sprinters, and given the embarrassment over the Ben Johnson affair, the IOC allowed her to "retire" from sprinting in exchange for her keeping her records. Which has been unfair to all the women who compete "fairly" for the past 3 decades. Her records, along with the 400m record of Marita Koch needs to be expunged.
Great video. You can’t really compare stride cycles though when the frames per second/quality of cells/camera angles are hugely different. FYI Flojo hit 60m 6.87 in Indianapolis 1988 during that 10.49, the same as Elaine in Tokyo’21. It’s all about that last 40m frequency.
I love what you said about building the community, and not looking for any way to tear people down. This is so key, a very toxic mindset to always compare and 'expose' people for even mistakes or not beating records.
If you can put together the race of Flojo Olympic final run 10.54's and Elaine's Prefontaine run 10.54's and compare the two races would make a world of good. ✌
Flo Jo's 10.54 was illigal by some distance and who knows maybe it's the same for that WR, she was probably not even close to Elaine but faulty machines have us completely confused
@@jaypears291 She fricking celebrated 10m before finish with both ends and relaxed her stride 20m before, what do I care about 3+ wind, we can add that time at the end. It was still fast as hell if she runs through, thus a comparison would be interesting.
Height does not correlate to stride length or leg length. In order words Flo Jo may be an inch taller but that doesn't guarantee her legs are longer than Elaine Thompson's. People have different body proportions and the upper and lower body doesn't necessarily align in single ratio for every human. Have a great day.
@@aniyax4023 with true strength and humbleness, focus determination Flo job record will go and it will be a Jamaican that will do it ,without the help of drugs or weed , but good food and the most precious blessing from the almighty god,,,,and for you u sound hurt that we are getting closer to the record, but I know you will be hurt err when we the Jamaican dust it out remove it lol
@@medeciarobinson7766 no I'm actually happy that you guys finally accomplished something you guys are so used to losing that I'm actually happy for you guys. and flojo wasn't on any drugs that's nothing but white supremacist being jealous and putting out false narratives against her. bottom line is instead of y'all trying to compare yourself to us which there's no comparison because we're the most progressive black people on Earth maybe you guys should build the wealth up in Jamaica so you guys can stop having to come to our country. Then just maybe you guys wouldn't have such low self-esteem about yourself we're not fleeing our country to go to Jamaica but y'all will not stop coming over here to a country that we built you see how that works you will always come in last place when it comes to us face it and maybe your life will be much better.
If Elaine is clean its the best ever! Flo Jo's don't count to me. The deepness of her voice, facial hair and unreal improvement with sudden death spoke volumes.
Greetings-is the end result not based on hieght of athlete but length of leg coupled with ability to achieve maximum stride span in minimum time possible to accomplish best leg mechanical repititions and environmental influence of the current wind speed and direction if present to estimate or guestimate the likely outcome-0.
people always comment on how Flo Jo (and everyone else back then) didn't even have a "drive phase" since apparently that technique was popularized in more recent years.
@@proverbalizer I remember in the days of Maurice Greene/John Smith/Ato Bolden, all you would from the commentators is "drive phase" this and "drive phase" that.
@@proverbalizer fair but for this race hers was actually the longest. She was in her drive phase for what seemed like 40 meters and everyone else was out by 25-30
The divide comes from the disrespect from Americans towards runners who put the effort in and respect each other. Comparing Sha'carri to these athletes Is an insult they had to work for their respect
This is nonsense. All the rude comments are coming from Jamaicans…Jamaicans were even being extremely rude to Elaine this year until the Olympics! The constant aggression coming from Jamaicans is through the roof, and misaimed. Americans absolutely love and highly respect Jamaican sprinters, and Jamaicans keep coming at us with beef. For what? Also, to claim ShaCarri didn’t work for her respect is disrespectful of you. That girl has lived an extremely rough life and busted her ass to get to where she is! She’s accomplished more at her age than ANY of these ladies…and a U20 World Record Holder (she had two world records in 100/200 until the Olympic Games) running times MOST of the professionals have not, and will never run while merely jogging to the finish line. For you to claim she didn’t work for her respect is insulting. Give the girl her credit, just as we absolutely give SAFP, Elaine, Bolt, Shericka (one of my new favorites and hopefuls) mad respect. Quit with the Jamaican on black Americans hatred when we should all be loving and supporting one another…Americans are doing our part to show love to Jamaicans…return it.
Thank you for highlighting ETH. Jamaicans are pissed off because we as a nation has to run against so many druggist now because of constant testing it’s leveling out period!!! Welcome to the sprint factory of the world 🇯🇲🇯🇲.
Flo Jo ran great, and was the class of the race. Wind aided or not, she could have beaten the others by the same margin, so the "wind only in her lane" spin isn't valid. However, this does need to be examined in fairness to every Woman who has run and every young Woman who will run the 100m, chasing a record that may not be legit. For track purists, this should be amazing, having the science broken down and a topic worth looking at. It's not a knock on Flo Jo, it's not about PED accusations and it doesn't mean her record will be stricken from the books, but it does give a better understanding of the possibilities in that race. I'm excited to see this seemingly untouchable record be approached and hopefully surpassed by ETH or SAFP as both never cease to amaze!
I reckon Flojo would have ran a legal 10.4 or better ultimately had she not retired. Her mechanics and strength were unparalleled. Look at how far out that 200m WR is, which aludes to her speed endurance being superior. Another factor to consider is the 4 rounds in championships that athletes ran in. Nowadays athletes only do 3 rounds and still mention fatigue, it was way harder to break records with 4 rounds than it is now. I am not taking anything away from Elaine because she is trail blazing and making us believe again.
U made a little mistake with the comparison with Justin gatlin because I’m 2006 he took 42.5 strides till 2012 and by 2016 he started taking closer to 44 and then in 2021 45-46 strides. He changed his technique because he was getting older and in 2011 he came back from a suspension and he only ran 10.1 that year
*Flojo is still the greatest you have to remember she ran her time in 1988 Thompson has better tracks shoes training and diet to run on/with like Ben Johnson said "I'll run 9.3 today" lol*
The true record was 10.61 FLo Jo's ran.The 10.49record isn't accurate as wind meter was broken.Which means ETH should have the 100m record 10.54. The IAAF even had study done in 1995 saying they believed the wind to be +5-7 at the time(2-3times) legal wind. As proof everyone in that race shaved .25 off their personal best that day. The next day when the wind was legal everyones including Flo Jo's went way up in the final.
Flo Joke was loaded on roids. Her training partner confessed he injected roids in her. She only ran fast at two meets in her life both at age 28. Her fastest time outside of those two meets was 10.99.
Poor analysis of Flo Jo because of a lack of facta. Sheer speculation. Flo Jo bad the best technique which Elaine is close to approximate. Height doesn't always determine steps length
Where the other womens steps in the flojo race less than average as well? I believe Gale Devers was in that race. Could do a comparison there. Although she probably gained ground in the next olympics. Flo jo's steps are longer and faster than Herah's regardless of wind aren't they?
Florence Griffith-Joyner didn't have any wind behind her. Evan the men's race after her also had a zero wind reading as well. Whatever wind that was going at the time of race came from the left side of the runners.
Elaine may break the record eventually but today’s times are not 100% comparable to 30+ years ago. Let me give an example: Ben Johnson set the WR in the same year as FloJo hers. Despite he was later proven and admitted to have used steroids, his 9.79 have been since shattered multiple times, and Bolts WR today is 0.21s better than of doped Ben Johnson in the 80‘s. FloJos record has only been approached after 33 years and not yet beaten (which soon might change of course).
But in Flo Jo's wind-aided 10:54 she slowed to celebrate raising her hands before the finish line. And consider her 200m WR (which has not been approached and in which she also slowed down), surely she was the fastest the world has ever seen.
So here is the truth Flo jo PROBABLY cheated! Nobody tests for doping and she died at the of 38 dude to seizures that is really suspect to me I’m Sorry!
I think Elaine T.Herah can break flojo record this year 2022 or 2023 soon eliane Thompson-Herah got the gift it's if Elaine trained hard n put the work in Elaine can break the flojo record Shelly Ann can break the 100m record of flojo 100.Gabby Thomas can break flojo 200 m.record if she focus on training Gabby studies a lot she get her second master degree at Texas Univ.Gabby is doing right studying for her master that master degree is forever n track n feild is temp.,3-10 years.If Gabby gets in super great shape Gabby break flojo 200m.record
Joyner was winning at the time in sprinting when the USA was the sacred cow and untouchable on steroids testing. Now since testing improved USA men’s and women’s sprinting is not even showing on podiums.
Was flo Jo really 5’’7? She seemed much shorter for example she was a lot shorter than Merlene Ottey who was 5’’8 and her great rival haven’t said I thought Elaine was taller than 5’’6!! I guess the man in this video just proved flojos time was wind aided something all knew. Also it was very at strange that the year before she was losing to Ottey in in times that were almost half a second slower and then she didn’t race again after that year a lot of strange circumstances surrounding flojo and her one amazing season she had
Looks like Flo Jo’s legs are longer proportional to her body in comparison to Elaine Thompson-Herah… could that be the difference in stride length.. Could you compare the 10.61 and 10.60 races
To break it down is to say flojo had steroids in her system and Eliane is drug free , thats the differeance between to two runners ? Let hope drug free prevails and beats that record
Great video. Apparently Elaine also reached the fastest top speed ever for a female at over 40 kph
Yeah she was moving at the end..
@@Performancelabofcalifornia It was beautiful to see.
@roger adams And the training back then was prehistoric compared to today. Yes FloJo would be 10.3 with todays information and 21.0 or less for the 200m.
@Mickey Smiths so back in 1988 they knew you could train average athletes to have 40" verticals? Maybe the Russians knew but Americans felt it was 90% genetic vs 40% genetic they know today. What about 9.82 Chinese sprinters? Is that top if the world genetic materials or is it consimate training with improved knowledge? Back in 88 they didn't know about nutrition as well as today and any lifting was body builder style, which won't really help speed and explosiveness. Why all the mid 4 second high school 40 yard runners today? In 88 they'd be happy for high 4s and the occasional mid or low 4. Back in 88 was they were putting an emphasis on development of a strong "core" ( abs, oblique and lower back )?, no they didn't. What's so baaddd about saying training is much better and so ims sports science? Shes gonna thump that wr and the 200 too. Then 10.6 100m will be more common along with 21.5 or better 200m. She'Carri was on the pace for big numbers but got herself distracted with negative attention.
@Lions Truth stop gassing up Flo Jo lol. You and I know that the 10.49 sec she ran was very wind aided which was well over a 2.0 mph tailwind because the clock malfuncted due to the heavy winds. If Elaine Thompson had a 1.5 mph tailwind at the Olympics she would have broken that flimsy record.
We all love sprinting, its about the sport and we want to see records broken and we have been waiting on a woman to break the record set by the legend Flo-Jo. Elaine is our best hope.
Love the comment and for right now she is!
I would simply enjoy the moment and appreciate what it is. But to put that much pressure on a athlete to break a record is unreasonable. Records are broken by chance no athlete says I'm going to break the record they just know if they perform well it can happen. It also may not happen by the person the closest to breaking it. This is good for the sport no doubt but record or not it's been a great ride.
My only problem is your comparison, I know that's the title but hear me out. Is there a comparison between Flo Jo 10.54 s her 10.59. Understanding the argument of zero wind aide I'd be interested in how those races differed because I like others believe Flo Jo could've run faster and whenever her records are broken that'll simply help prove that point. It's hilarious how when Men run insanely fast there's no breakdown of the impossible just made possible. But with women it's just an entirely different treatment from what I've seen. Thanks for the vid.
@@Performancelabofcalifornia I understand height makes a difference.But wouldn’t leg length play more of a factor? Some Athletes may have longer or shorter legs. I love this Video because for years people claimed Flo-Jo was juicing. But people fail to realize how flawless her technique was. I can’t imagine the degree of training it took to get that precise.
@@janewx1 See that's the problem with WE, there's always someone else to blame when YOU are wrong.
It's ridiculous how fast shelly has been able to go given her size/stride length, she's pretty much reached the physical limit of sprinting for her body type
No she hasn't. Height has literally to no effect on speed and stride length
You don't reach in sprinting, its a hop. Leg length is practically irrelevant when in the normal range because you're doing small jumps. So no tall people do not have an advantage. That would only apply if one foot was touching the ground while the next step is taken but thats not sprinting that's how we walk 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
the fact bolt is taller isn't the reason why he has less strides. Its more based on force production than anything else. Take any 6'5 sprinter or taller and their strides will never be as low as bolt. Tyson gay and Blake have less strides than basically everyone no matter if they are taller. Bolt is the only one with more strides because his force production is higher. You see how looking at a few things can make you believe stupid things? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@samo6083 Not true Sam. Can someone 3’ foot tall ever run below 10. Of course not. Height dose play a part.
@@NebraskaGonvilleJones I'm obviously speaking about the normal range
@@NebraskaGonvilleJones stop being dumb, literally talking about the normal range.
Thank you for focusing on the real essence of the race.
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Yeah he was brutally honest even tho he’s American .That’s rare
You just have to look at the two of them run to see what the difference is. Elaine said she has been studying Flo-Jo's races. Everybody should. The mechanics were probably the greatest in history and the stride length unbelievable.
Flo Jo had the best front side running mechanics maybe ever. Her stride length was insane for her height. To this day I have yet to see someone duplicate her running form. At full acceleration it looks likes she's floating.
Assistance with drug and a side of wind 🌬
@@fivestar000 😂😂
FloDrug
Height literally has little to no effect in sprinting, why do you people repeat the same bs. Like try and explain the science to me and see if it makes sense 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You don't reach in sprinting, its a hop. Leg length is practically irrelevant when in the normal range because you're doing small jumps. So no tall people do not have an advantage. That would only apply if one foot was touching the ground while the next step is taken but thats not sprinting that's how we walk 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
the fact bolt is taller isn't the reason why he has less strides. Its more based on force production than anything else. Take any 6'5 sprinter or taller and their strides will never be as low as bolt. Tyson gay and Blake have less strides than basically everyone no matter if they are taller. Bolt is the only one with more strides because his force production is higher. You see how looking at a few things can make you believe stupid things? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Power. FloJo was way stronger and her technique was way more precise. Precision and power are the true factors. Just one year ago FloJo's records were impossible now with the Jamaican ladies accomplishments the records seem attainable. Better technique and more power there are no limits.
Records are meant to be broken, it shows you the magnitude of what flojo accomplished. That's why we're talking about it now. COACHES TALK BUT ITS THE ATHLETES THAT PERFORM
PED
Maybe, the Jamaican's are juicin'🤔. Shelly is 36-37yrs old and seem to be getting faster and stronger. I don't hear anyone with a raised eye brow about them👀. FloJo is the greatest sprinter of all-time. Period.
@@xonnathagreat7644 Flo Jo was juicing
@@Gro-485 FloJo tested negative every time. Shelly has tested positive back in the past. She probably is still on the juice.
I hope we live to see this woman break Flo Jo’s record. That would be amazing.
Yes it would be nice especially at a time now when Sterioids and enhancing drugs are illegal. Back in Flo Era they got away with these things because it was harder to detect, I've watched all her races and suspect that she might be on something like a body builder
@@Nearlygoodaim a lot of people look at her record with suspicion and I can see why. Elaine and the rest of the Jamaican team are just such great ambassadors of the sport. This is one small little country that everyone seems to get behind whenever their sprinters are at the track. I’ve been in rooms where there’s not a Jamaican in sight and we’re all screaming our heads off going for their runners, lol. It’s amazing.
@@illwitness I am Jamaican myself and I tell you why we so fast at track and field, it's because most children runs for their school team/grade from kindergarten all the way up to college...every school in Jamaica have a day just for track and field even the poorest kids runs bear feet that day that's why we so passionate when it's Olympics season.
@@Nearlygoodaim great genetics as well. I’ve always considered Jamaicans to be the creme de la creme of the black diaspora. The best women too, god help me, lol.
It would also lift the specter of illegitimacy surrounding the current record.
If Flo Jo was wind aided then it's a miracle the wind was only blowing in her lane and no one else because she put a big gap between the rest.
Facts
Smh....sad tht u are so foolish smh
The gap seemed about 4 or 5 meters. What was the rest of the runners times?
It takes a simple Google to avoid stupid takes like this. If you check majority of not all the times of the other runners in that race, you'd notice that they ran huge lifetime bests that day which adds to the suspicion
@@sen-cher what were their times?
Flo Jo has longer legs but so does Blessing Okagbare who is way taller than Flo at 5'11 , and Blessing has lost to 5ft Shelly and many more shorter women , so length doesn't really matter. Flo Jo was a one of a kind SWAN. That was her gift. Her whole running style and mindset in that race, is why she is still undefeated. It's so easy to be jealous of Flo Jo, but ain't nothing new , we call it Black Girl Magic 😘 Great vid!
She'Carri also smoked blessings
What about the people that is talker that Elaine abs age run faster than them? Explain?
@@Sperm_monkey Just because someone is taller doesn't mean they are faster. It all comes down to ability.
Real athletic fans know that Flo Jo record should not be the world record. The long jump was simultaneous to the race with a +4.5 wind which is illegal. But hey it is the record.
Exaclty!Elaine is the WR holder holder in my eyes,she ran that 10.54s with a legal wind.
Agreed.. Flo jo record had a wind aide of +5-7 which is illegal wind. You can google it.
To me this weekends race was the fastest a woman has ever ran with legal wind.
long jump was not even happening at the same time
"Real"
Long stride length, minimal ground contact time, and fast turnover, period.
plus the fastest start of her life.. and ETH will get the record
That’s the magic formula
@@PerformancelabofcaliforniaElaine Thompson-Herah ran on a faster track in faster spikes than Florence Griffith Joyner did
@@JohnSmith-yn9ie with better training
@Mickey Smiths How do you calculate the difference in the advantage a better surface and better spikes makes in comparison to wind?
FloJo's 10.54 was not valid. The wind speed was 3.0m/s way above the allowable limit. Elaine Thompson-Herah 10.54 is valid. Done in negligible windspeed of 0.9m/s.
@roger adams she retired because she was on hardcore steroids
@@DanielIsraelite and elaine isnt? look at her physique compared to flojo who was petite. If you accuse flojo then you should also elaine whos best time until this year was 10.70.
@@Johnny_Thunder Elaine's physique looks way more realistic and attainable. FloJo looks like she was chugging male hormones. Even her face was so defined, it looked like it was about to grow a beard.
@@speedstreak914 elaine looks like a man compared to flojo who was petite and still looked feminine. you must be blind. fraser just ran 3rd fastest time in history at age 34, what a joke the whole team is cheating
@@Johnny_Thunder Umm Flo Jo's best time before was 10.96, and most of the time she was above 11 seconds for all the years before. Big difference.
If Elaine gets a start like Tokyo, then the record will be removed.
Yeah wasn’t her best start..
@Mickey Smiths Interesting. So Briana got the best start you've seen and still ran a 11.09 second to last. Meanwhile Elaine didn't really beat Sha'Carri out of the blocks (Shelly, Sha'Carri and Elaine are pretty even at 4:24 until everything changes in the next few strides), but still ran a 10.54 once she hit turbo. The rookies got severely smashed on by the vets, lol
@Mickey Smiths I think Tehana had the fastest reaction
@Mickey Smiths I know the top four.
0.129 Teahna Daniels
0.136 Marie-Josee Ta Lou
0.137 Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce
0.138 Briana Williams
@Mickey Smiths Yeah, Briana’s start Is top tier.
I think she's the only one that can match SAFP start
I love T&F and the men and women are equally exciting to watch and I love all athletes from every country. Records are made to be broken. I can't wait to see Elaine T. does next in 2022 at her attempt at Flo-Jo's record.
We have several other diamond league events THIS year
@@dennisrobinson8008 It is hard to remain at peak performance levels very long; especially, during an Olympic year.
One thing you overlooked looked was the way they came out of the blocks. Look at how much more smoother FloJo came out of the blocks that Elaine. FloJo's first 5 steps were smooth. Elaine kind of short chopped her 2nd and 3rd step and the 4th and 5th step looked choppy, as compared to FloJo making an almost full step on her 3rd step.
Then you have to look at how much more quicker FloJo got into her sprinting phase instead of staying in a drive phase for the first 40 meters. FloJo's drive phase only lasted about the first 20 to 25 meters...if that. Look how much longer it took Elaine to get into her sprinting phase.
After they come out of the blocks there is another white line that they cross. Look at where FloJo is in her phase compared to Elaine's phase when she crosses that white line. FloJo is almost at full speed right there.
It's like two swimmers diving in the pool at the same time, but one swimmer comes from underwater and starts swimming before the other person does.
Questions:
1. What were their reaction times? That's very important. In Dragracing it's called a "HoleShot".
2. What were their MPH...Top Speed?
3. When did they hit their Top Speed?
4. How long did they carry that speed?
Thanks drew61345
Bro flo Jos record was wind assisted so talk all u want Abt smoothness and style and all the other bs u mentioned and yet Elaine with her choppy style according to is still father than Flo Jos ...nobody has ever maintained their top end speed as long as Elaine .....period ....Elaine is the better sprinter
@Mickey Smiths ETH achieved a higher top speed than Flo-Jo. 39.7 kph compared to 39.1 kph.
@@jaimevazquez5710 You're an Idiot. I ran both of their runs side by side and in super slow motion. Flo Jo was ahead of Elaine after the first 3 steps and was out of her drive phase about 15 meters before Elaine. There was a white stripe that runs across the field about 20 meters from the start and FloJo hit it before Elaine did.
FloJo's leg turnover was also faster than Elaine's. So at the end of the day...FloJo still would've whooped dat A**.
@@jaimevazquez5710 Sorry, but Elaine will NEVER get faster than her 10.54 and Shelley will NEVER get under a 10.6.
Awesome video. Very well done! Thanks. But here's the issue that I have. We don't know exactly what the wind was for Flo Jo but they said that it was legal. That should be enough! But Apparently, it's not enough for some people. I've been watching Elaine Thompson and others for years. And she has ran plenty of races with a legal wind at her back and guess what, she didn't break the freaking record!!! We act like she's never had a fair chance to do that. In the 100 or so races in her career, she's never had a 1.5 or 1.0 wind at her back. Well, I've seen plenty of her races and she has. She's just not as fast as Flo Jo yet. Why can't people just freaking accept that!
Now, I believe that Elaine has a real shot of breaking Flo Jo's record. And that would be awesome. But to me, Flo Jo's race will always be better. Here's why.
Everyone in the race has the same conditions. Period! So, if there's a legal wind at their backs, then they ALL have that same wind at their backs, right!? If there's a slight head wind that they're running into. Then they ALL have that same headwind, right!?
So, what I look at is how much faster is the winner than everyone else in her race.
Flo Jo was on another level from the rest of the world period. No one was even close to her. Elaine is still competing with others. Shelly Anne wasn't too far behind her. But no one in the world was close to Flo Jo, and they had the same wind as her. That is the difference!
So, can we please stop speculating about a wind that we don't know anything about or if drugs were involved, that we don't know anything about and just look at what was accomplished. Cause honestly, no one knows who's using illegal substances or not.
We have to remember, Flo Jo wasn't always that fast. She was getting beat when she first started out. She just worked her ass off to develope a technique that to this day has never been duplicated. Scientist were freaking studying her, that's how perfect they said her technique was. So, can we give the woman her due. Please. She got sick very young. And had a shorter career than most. And she died young. She has earned the top spot
So, I have my fingers crossed for Elaine. I'm a big fan of track and Field period. And I hope I am lucky enough to see one of the greatest records ever: broken in my lifetime. But I will not disrespect Flo Jo. Until her record is broken. She is and will always be the Queen. Period!!!
"Flo Jo was on another level from the rest of the world period. No one was even close to her. Elaine is still competing with others. Shelly Anne wasn't too far behind her. But no one in the world was close to Flo Jo, and they had the same wind as her. That is the difference! "
That's because Shelly-Ann is the third fastest woman of all time. Compare Flo-Jo's winning time of 10.49 and second-place finisher Evelyn Ashford's 10.83 (a 0.34 s difference) to ETH's 10.54 and SFP's 10.73 (a 0.19s difference). The competition is just that much higher nowadays which is what makes Flo-Jo's winning margin look so huge by comparison. Elaine Thompson-Herah with 10.54 s is just 0.06 s faster than Shelly who has a PB of 10.60, much better than Evelyn Ashford's (no disrespect, she was another of the greats).
America officials claims it was legal, not IAAF and it went to court. However, America at the time bullied IAAF to ratified the race as legal. The world knows it was massively wind aided. The athletics propaganda of the 80s between USA, China & Russia… it’s a tainted record across the world.
@@brucelee3204 remember Carl Lewis positive drug test was swept under the rug..... Flo Jo cause of dead took a while before 1 was released. Lance Armstrong did drugs for years without getting catch.
I have always thought this.
If her race was wind aided, why the wind was not adding the others.
The wind have preference now?
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSE TO BE TALKING ABOUT
Exactly!
Agreed!! This is about the science of the race, people need to stop over defending Flo Jo for something she would have had no control over.
Thanks Morey for being extremely honest in this video.. also I applaude your posting consistency I can see you truly love the sport . Both ladies are legends fasho!
I ain't going to lie dog Flojo has a unique style and if you really look at her running style back in those days they never held their head down at a starter for race I don't know why they doing now but Flojo remind me of Wonder woman
We all hope Elaine thompson runs under 10.49 to erase flo jo records because we all know it's a fake record. I will not even talk about flo jo progression or her sadly ending but if we take in account that during the 10.49 race all the girls have run their pb in a QUARTER FINAL of the trials you just have to use your brain to see that something abnormal (like wind) help them to run such times...
So true!
No they did not run their personal bests, Diane Williams 10.88 PB 10.86 Gail Deevers 10.98 PB 10.77. And then in the third quarter final race the wind was read at 5.0ms and the then world record holder Evelyn Ashford ran a 10.91 when the record was 10.76. I would say Flo Jo at the least was capable of low 10.5s if that wind was not legal that day as most suspect.
Nothing you can say are do to take flo jo crown ! Elaine are Jackson going to show the world 10.47 and leave the world into suspense and prove to the world that it can be done flo running style was perfect .
No flo jo’s Drugs was perfect 38 and dead of seizures I wasn’t born yesterday that’s why it will be more special when Elaine drops that record
@@kevinmcdaniel871 until then flo Jo’s record stands
Good video, very help information 🇯🇲🇯🇲
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shaccari runs her mouth faster than Elaine runs on the track
Damn Finally an American being brutally honest about this topic .Kodus Morey !
Those damn Yankees
Elaine Thompson would've broken Flo Jo's record if her start had been better. Cuz during the race, she turned on the jets half way through the race
You're so correct 🇯🇲🙌🙏
🤣🤣🤣the jets?.... Love it😍🦋
When she puts it all together hopefully she can get sub 10.5
Is this just wishful thinking like hoping that Shelly Ann who is always quick out of the blocks could build on that speed right through the 100m?
@@kokokoko3298 no, it's a statement recognizing her potential to be able to do better by fixing small things. Cuz SAFP lacks speed endurance, and that's been proven by her 200m times over the years against some of the other top tier sprinters like Allyson Felix, Elaine Thompson, or Dafne Schippers
Putting the "Wind" controversy aside, there are several factors not mentioned that needs more research. 1. Is the length of the athlete's stride. 2. Is vertical motion of the leg and contact foot to the track and how long and what part of foot made the contact by the athlete's. 3. Their arms motion in symmetry to the motion of the rest of the body. 4. Relaxation after reaching maximum speed and position of the head going through the aforementioned while in motion. IOW More technical data on the total mechanics of the sprinter's. Moreover; The technologically enhanced advancements from 1988 to 2021, that increase speed endurance and overall performances. Such as; comparisons of cinder tracks to synthetic tracks with more bounce, spike and water resistance and absorption, etc.. Flat leather spiked(type) shoes vs leather and synthetic materials with more bounce, etc.. Training and exercise equipment with speed variations and vital sign monitoring. Modern legal nutritional and energy supplements. IOW Today's overall Track enhanced environment has improved tremendously; Including the social status of Women in Society. In addition, to the popular growth of Track and Field as a mainstream sport. Finally; The monetary sponsorship of the athletic clothing and apparel Industry and other consumer marketing agencies that additionally supplements Today's Athletes that Flo Jo's Era did not have. For example: Had She not have to quit school and track several times to support Herself and Family and only pursue it part-time at vital times in her career only God knows what She would have accomplished. What we do know that marrying Al Joyner stabilized Her environment; And as Her husband, best friend and coach in a short time along with Bobby Kersee; They helped Her become The World's Fastest Woman. Peace...
I'm neither American of Jamaican. So for me I just want to see great competitive races.
That's what I loved during the Bolt era. Even though I was rooting for him to win, I loved that he had other athletes like Gay, Blake, Gatlin & Powell pushing him to the limit.
It's what makes the sport exciting. And we now have it with the female sprinters.
People should be embracing it instead of shitting on someone because they lost.
The potential final in the next world champs could be insane.
We could see something really special.
Correction....
Bolt pushed THEM to their limits and it strained them trying to keep up.
The pressure got most of them injured! #BoltFreak of nature
I don't think most people are 'shitting' on anyone for losing, it's the attitude of seemingly poor sportsmanship on display that is being 'shitted' on.
Yeah not to take anything away from the men today but I think that was when the men’s sprinting was at its best.. Bolt, Gay, Powell and many others were constantly putting out insane times.. Now women’s sprinting is at its best ever in my opinion.
So he's saying Flo Jo's time was wind aided...but not for the other runners in the same race...Just in Flo Jo's lane.
Since Flo Jo accomplished this time, people have been knocking her down...I'm sick of it.
With track surfaces providing less force reduction properties and better sprint techniques to take advantage of same, the record seems ready to go. Interesting that as PJ Vazel noted on Twitter, the difference was in speed stamina.
Only 6 hundreds of a second away.. But in sprinting that could be years of training.
@@Performancelabofcalifornia A good start away, in better conditions.
The only breakdown needed is; FloJo's 100m and 200m times were PEDs aided, and Elaine Thompson-Herah's isn't.
For all the FloJo supporters, please explain why FloJo never ran another sprint race after October 6th, 1988 in Tokyo? Also explain why the women's 100m, 200m, and 400m sprint records were all set during the 1980s, and still stand today? Could it be related to the fact that the women of the 1980s were using anabolic steroids and other PEDs that could not be detected during that era, but can be detected now? Could it be due to the fact that there was no out of competition random drug testing like there is today? FloJo "retired" from sprinting almost immediately after her triumphs at the Seoul Olympics to focus on the 5K, the 10K, and the marathon. Imagine all the money she gave up with that move. No appearance fees, no endorsement deals, not even an offer to be a color commentator at track and field events, nothing. Why is that? She had the glamour, the beauty, the fashion, everything going for her, yet nothing. There is a "view" that she failed her drug tests at the Seoul Olympics along with a lot of other sprinters, and given the embarrassment over the Ben Johnson affair, the IOC allowed her to "retire" from sprinting in exchange for her keeping her records. Which has been unfair to all the women who compete "fairly" for the past 3 decades. Her records, along with the 400m record of Marita Koch needs to be expunged.
Excellent break down bro
Elaine is the greatest woman it takes to Olympic to break the world omg she is phenomenal
Great video. You can’t really compare stride cycles though when the frames per second/quality of cells/camera angles are hugely different. FYI Flojo hit 60m 6.87 in Indianapolis 1988 during that 10.49, the same as Elaine in Tokyo’21. It’s all about that last 40m frequency.
I love what you said about building the community, and not looking for any way to tear people down. This is so key, a very toxic mindset to always compare and 'expose' people for even mistakes or not beating records.
I believe Elaine can. Also I want Shelly-Ann to run under 10.60
Nice analysis 👍
Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻
If you can put together the race of Flojo Olympic final run 10.54's and Elaine's Prefontaine run 10.54's and compare the two races would make a world of good. ✌
Flo Jo's 10.54 was illigal by some distance and who knows maybe it's the same for that WR, she was probably not even close to Elaine but faulty machines have us completely confused
@@jaypears291 She fricking celebrated 10m before finish with both ends and relaxed her stride 20m before, what do I care about 3+ wind, we can add that time at the end. It was still fast as hell if she runs through, thus a comparison would be interesting.
just say it..Flo Jo record was wind aided..over the legal limit...sad tht Elaine's 10.54 should be the record...
Height does not correlate to stride length or leg length. In order words Flo Jo may be an inch taller but that doesn't guarantee her legs are longer than Elaine Thompson's. People have different body proportions and the upper and lower body doesn't necessarily align in single ratio for every human. Have a great day.
True you can have long, short or average proportions at any height
@Lions Truth the doping epidemic of the 80s in TF with wind aide records. No one’s hating. The world know what was going on then.
Jamaican sprinter is amazing and we would not want to be like a flo jo , but as a real Jamaican we are blessed with the hand of Jesus on our nation
She's not like a flojo she's second after her not first. She's in second place
Every living soul or nation gets humbled at a certain point. Be humble when at the top, what goes up comes down.
@@kokokoko3298 a nation of just over 2 million. We are over-achieving but you sound hurt. I am sorry
@@aniyax4023 with true strength and humbleness, focus determination Flo job record will go and it will be a Jamaican that will do it ,without the help of drugs or weed , but good food and the most precious blessing from the almighty god,,,,and for you u sound hurt that we are getting closer to the record, but I know you will be hurt err when we the Jamaican dust it out remove it lol
@@medeciarobinson7766 no I'm actually happy that you guys finally accomplished something you guys are so used to losing that I'm actually happy for you guys. and flojo wasn't on any drugs that's nothing but white supremacist being jealous and putting out false narratives against her. bottom line is instead of y'all trying to compare yourself to us which there's no comparison because we're the most progressive black people on Earth maybe you guys should build the wealth up in Jamaica so you guys can stop having to come to our country. Then just maybe you guys wouldn't have such low self-esteem about yourself we're not fleeing our country to go to Jamaica but y'all will not stop coming over here to a country that we built you see how that works you will always come in last place when it comes to us face it and maybe your life will be much better.
Elaine at Prefontaine maintained her winning ways.
FLO-JO WINS🏆
* ON SPEED
* ON LOOKS
* ON SEXY BODY
* ON CLASS.
Yes! 🖤🇺🇸🖤
I hope we get to see the record broken soon! So big ups Elaine and my home country 🇯🇲🇯🇲
One love for all these great women.
They keep saying Flo Jo is 5'7 but I estimate she is not more than 5'3 , this suggests that her race was wind-assisted.
If Elaine is clean its the best ever! Flo Jo's don't count to me. The deepness of her voice, facial hair and unreal improvement with sudden death spoke volumes.
@Lions Truth Btw Elaine Thompson Herah is black too 🤔
@@mrwonderful7815 none of them are clean at the highest level
@@davids9323 Oh, so that's what we doin'?
Greetings-is the end result not based on hieght of athlete but length of leg coupled with ability to achieve maximum stride span in minimum time possible to accomplish best leg mechanical repititions and environmental influence of the current wind speed and direction if present to estimate or guestimate the likely outcome-0.
Great analysis buddy!
Hey Morey, I noticed Elaine’s drive phase was longer than everyone else’s.. why could that be?
people always comment on how Flo Jo (and everyone else back then) didn't even have a "drive phase" since apparently that technique was popularized in more recent years.
@@proverbalizer I remember in the days of Maurice Greene/John Smith/Ato Bolden, all you would from the commentators is "drive phase" this and "drive phase" that.
@@proverbalizer fair but for this race hers was actually the longest. She was in her drive phase for what seemed like 40 meters and everyone else was out by 25-30
The divide comes from the disrespect from Americans towards runners who put the effort in and respect each other. Comparing Sha'carri to these athletes Is an insult they had to work for their respect
This is nonsense. All the rude comments are coming from Jamaicans…Jamaicans were even being extremely rude to Elaine this year until the Olympics! The constant aggression coming from Jamaicans is through the roof, and misaimed. Americans absolutely love and highly respect Jamaican sprinters, and Jamaicans keep coming at us with beef. For what? Also, to claim ShaCarri didn’t work for her respect is disrespectful of you. That girl has lived an extremely rough life and busted her ass to get to where she is! She’s accomplished more at her age than ANY of these ladies…and a U20 World Record Holder (she had two world records in 100/200 until the Olympic Games) running times MOST of the professionals have not, and will never run while merely jogging to the finish line. For you to claim she didn’t work for her respect is insulting. Give the girl her credit, just as we absolutely give SAFP, Elaine, Bolt, Shericka (one of my new favorites and hopefuls) mad respect. Quit with the Jamaican on black Americans hatred when we should all be loving and supporting one another…Americans are doing our part to show love to Jamaicans…return it.
Thank you for highlighting ETH. Jamaicans are pissed off because we as a nation has to run against so many druggist now because of constant testing it’s leveling out period!!! Welcome to the sprint factory of the world 🇯🇲🇯🇲.
When you say druggie who are you talking about?
KoolKaiser
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lol this guy basically proved, with simple calculations that FloJos 10.49 was unequivocally wind aided
Yes sir 🙏🏻💪🏻
Flo Jo ran great, and was the class of the race. Wind aided or not, she could have beaten the others by the same margin, so the "wind only in her lane" spin isn't valid. However, this does need to be examined in fairness to every Woman who has run and every young Woman who will run the 100m, chasing a record that may not be legit. For track purists, this should be amazing, having the science broken down and a topic worth looking at. It's not a knock on Flo Jo, it's not about PED accusations and it doesn't mean her record will be stricken from the books, but it does give a better understanding of the possibilities in that race. I'm excited to see this seemingly untouchable record be approached and hopefully surpassed by ETH or SAFP as both never cease to amaze!
I reckon Flojo would have ran a legal 10.4 or better ultimately had she not retired. Her mechanics and strength were unparalleled. Look at how far out that 200m WR is, which aludes to her speed endurance being superior. Another factor to consider is the 4 rounds in championships that athletes ran in. Nowadays athletes only do 3 rounds and still mention fatigue, it was way harder to break records with 4 rounds than it is now. I am not taking anything away from Elaine because she is trail blazing and making us believe again.
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Good breakdown.
Thanks Morey. Love for the sport is all that matters. JA to di worl..
U made a little mistake with the comparison with Justin gatlin because I’m 2006 he took 42.5 strides till 2012 and by 2016 he started taking closer to 44 and then in 2021 45-46 strides. He changed his technique because he was getting older and in 2011 he came back from a suspension and he only ran 10.1 that year
Less power maybe
Flo jo last 40m is unmatched plus 12:52 she was totally relaxed...elaine is the one i see getting close to flo jo record....
Break down one a legal run the other isn't for multiple reasons
How many steps did flo jo use with her second fastest legal time?
*Flojo is still the greatest you have to remember she ran her time in 1988 Thompson has better tracks shoes training and diet to run on/with like Ben Johnson said "I'll run 9.3 today" lol*
That is very true!!
The true record was 10.61 FLo Jo's ran.The 10.49record isn't accurate as wind meter was broken.Which means ETH should have the 100m record 10.54. The IAAF even had study done in 1995 saying they believed the wind to be +5-7 at the time(2-3times) legal wind. As proof everyone in that race shaved .25 off their personal best that day. The next day when the wind was legal everyones including Flo Jo's went way up in the final.
Try as you will The World Record is what it is and will remain until some Woman sprinter breaks it.
You run faster when you sprint on the toes. To have such technique plus the natural speed is a plus
Love your video
Thank you Michael!!
@@Performancelabofcalifornia all body types are different....you might be taller or shorter..but what if you have long legs but a short upper body???
@@Performancelabofcalifornia flo jo had the perfect technique......drugs don't give you technique......
Elaine Thompson new world record . i hope on Budapest
Flo Joke was loaded on roids. Her training partner confessed he injected roids in her. She only ran fast at two meets in her life both at age 28. Her fastest time outside of those two meets was 10.99.
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Poor analysis of Flo Jo because of a lack of facta. Sheer speculation. Flo Jo bad the best technique which Elaine is close to approximate. Height doesn't always determine steps length
Think this video should include the thirty nine steps
Yes sir thank you for focusing on the winner 😄
There is no evidence that there was an illegal TRAILING wind in her WR run. The Omega people said there was a crosswind perpendicular to the track.
Long legs, short torso, zero wasted effort, superior conditioning and soo relaxed. Flo Jo maximized her gifts. This video is at best click-bait.
Track different spikes different and doping also different
Where the other womens steps in the flojo race less than average as well? I believe Gale Devers was in that race. Could do a comparison there. Although she probably gained ground in the next olympics. Flo jo's steps are longer and faster than Herah's regardless of wind aren't they?
Florence Griffith-Joyner didn't have any wind behind her. Evan the men's race after her also had a zero wind reading as well. Whatever wind that was going at the time of race came from the left side of the runners.
Did the other runners in the 1988 race have uncharacteristically fast times as well?
@@hm5142 yes I want to say there were 3-4 pbs
Elaine may break the record eventually but today’s times are not 100% comparable to 30+ years ago. Let me give an example: Ben Johnson set the WR in the same year as FloJo hers. Despite he was later proven and admitted to have used steroids, his 9.79 have been since shattered multiple times, and Bolts WR today is 0.21s better than of doped Ben Johnson in the 80‘s. FloJos record has only been approached after 33 years and not yet beaten (which soon might change of course).
Today they get the advantage of having the information they had in 1988, and all the development and growth. So there's more knowledge.
We know you can't please everybody.. but you pleasing only the Jamaican and you.
But in Flo Jo's wind-aided 10:54 she slowed to celebrate raising her hands before the finish line. And consider her 200m WR (which has not been approached and in which she also slowed down), surely she was the fastest the world has ever seen.
So here is the truth Flo jo PROBABLY cheated! Nobody tests for doping and she died at the of 38 dude to seizures that is really suspect to me I’m Sorry!
your right
I think Elaine T.Herah can break flojo record this year 2022 or 2023 soon eliane Thompson-Herah got the gift it's if Elaine trained hard n put the work in Elaine can break the flojo record Shelly Ann can break the 100m record of flojo 100.Gabby Thomas can break flojo 200 m.record if she focus on training Gabby studies a lot she get her second master degree at Texas Univ.Gabby is doing right studying for her master that master degree is forever n track n feild is temp.,3-10 years.If Gabby gets in super great shape Gabby break flojo 200m.record
Appreciate the comment 🙏🏻💪🏻
None of the sprinters you mentioned will ever break Flo Jo's records of 10.49; 21.34.
I've never understood that. Everyone running has the Same Wind.
Yeah and many people ran their PBs in this race
Very very impressive !!!!!!
Flo jos no quiso el antidoping sus récords en duda
Flo jo on d vid did look faster at getting the leg down under her but the stride length between them has to be looked at too.
It is to say flo jo was making the longest Stride's ever.
But why didn't anyone else run a personal best in that race? Gail Devers 10.98, Diane Williams 10.88?
This year the record goes down! Congratulations in advance, Elaine!
Love that! 💪🏻💯
Joyner was winning at the time in sprinting when the USA was the sacred cow and untouchable on steroids testing. Now since testing improved USA men’s and women’s sprinting is not even showing on podiums.
Was flo Jo really 5’’7? She seemed much shorter for example she was a lot shorter than Merlene Ottey who was 5’’8 and her great rival haven’t said I thought Elaine was taller than 5’’6!!
I guess the man in this video just proved flojos time was wind aided something all knew.
Also it was very at strange that the year before she was losing to Ottey in in times that were almost half a second slower and then she didn’t race again after that year a lot of strange circumstances surrounding flojo and her one amazing season she had
Flo jo 🐐
Looks like Flo Jo’s legs are longer proportional to her body in comparison to Elaine Thompson-Herah… could that be the difference in stride length.. Could you compare the 10.61 and 10.60 races
all body types are different....you might be taller or shorter..but what if you have long legs but a short upper body???
If she get a better start that 10.54 could of being 10.50 or 10.46
Yes literally a good start away from it
You can hear a pin drop in the comments. What a difference from the last video.😂
To break it down is to say flojo had steroids in her system and Eliane is drug free , thats the differeance between to two runners ? Let hope drug free prevails and beats that record
But imagine if Flojo had shelly ann start......whewwww