How Strong is Natsu? (Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest)
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- In this video, we're going to be taking a look at the powerful character, Natsu, from Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest! Natsu is a character that has been around for a long time, and has played a big role in many Fairy Tail storylines. In this video, we'll be examining his character and abilities, and see how strong he really is!
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I believe the series also introduced the concept of *Flames of Emotions,* basically similar to how Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets, or how Red Hulk gets hotter through his rage. Natsu’s fire against Zeref was so hot that it burned his own arm and as well as his spirit, surpassing his fire immunity.
Yeah. So this is interesting, and sort of a part of what I was trying to get at in this video. I believe Natsu's power of E.N.D. is basically the "Flames of Emotions" or "Flames of the Guild". This is why Natsu got his burned scaly arm, after punching through Zeref's magic. And I think it's also backed up, by Magic being made of willpower, as well as the concept of E.N.D. being the only who could defeat Zeref?
This may not be necessarily be the most lore accurate explanation of it? But yes, it's clear base Natsu- and flames of emotion Natsu? Are different in stats, no matter how it's explained.
I'd place base Natsu around the same level as some of spriggans? and I'd place amped Natsu right alongside Acno, Zeref, Dragon Gods, and Igneel.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Don’t exactly know if it’s directly related to him being END, as it was first mentioned by one of the early villains to be an ancient power. What I do remember being his demon power was allowing him to move through stopped time and break off cuffs that seal magic, possibly because he also has Cursed energy power like the demons in the Tartaros arc.
Also, I don’t think Natsu had his scales on when he beat Zeref and burned his arm. His scales might’ve turned off some time before that.
But yeah, magic in FT is mostly based in one’s mental capacity. Magic training even requires meditation and faith in one’s power. It’s origin stems from The One Magic which is said to be love. While Curses, which act as a dark counterpart stems from purely negative emotions.
I don’t actually remember if he used scales to beat Zeref. But he used them at one point when fighting Fairy Heart. And his arm burned from his flames- which gave it a similar END appearance.
Which is also backed up? By Natsu’s demon powers- letting him move in frozen time, which he only replicated during his fight with Zeref.
But yes. I agree, magic in Fairy Tail is powered up, by compassion and mental fortitude. Which is even shown to trigger Natsu’s END powers. So? Interestingly. You could argue Natsu is the only one who could beat Zeref? Because he had magic, and cursed power. (Which was strong enough, to even burn Natsu, through his fire resistance.)
Again, I’m not entirely sure if that’s how the series was intended to be perceived. But that’s always been how I’ve seen his friendship boosts. Like fractions of his END power being brought out through extreme emotions.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY He did have them in the middle of the fight, just not at the end.
While characters do gain some degree of hysterical strength from magic power, Natsu’s Flames of Emotion are definitely a massive leap in boost by comparison. So yeah, Natsu was definitely the only one who could beat Zeref in a fight.
Natsu did burn time, along with infinite magic, it was clearly mentioned in both manga and anime , don't know why people failed to understand it.
It’s because it’s a hyper literal misinterpretation of what is being said.
Natsu was the only man hero who could beat Zeref, because he could burn through his magic (but not literally time as a concept)
Natsu also doesn’t incinerate infinite magic. He punched Zeref once? That doesn’t equate to him erasing all of Zeref’s magic.
I can definitely hear higher arguments than Multi-Continental+ (like Planet for a highball.) But? I don’t think he’s universal or anything.
Misinterpretation? In manga and anime both places zeref said magic and separately it was burning.
Let taken as fact natsu only burn magic not time or infinite magic power he gets from Mavis,
Why zeref would so surprised erza can break all principle of magic even cut space. Zeref well known about the fact natsu can burn magic before hand.
So thing natsu pull to in the end to save everyone would mean nothing at all became
Zeref could be easily stopped.
I also don't think he is universal but low ball planet lest.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThank you
@@swaruppal8410multi continental at best
In the newer chapters he was able to use lightning by itself
Yeah. If I'm not mistaken he temporarily lost access to his flame magic so he just used lightning slayer magic on its own without having to combine it with his flames and was even able to use some of laxus attacks.
To me Natsu seems to ne holding back his power. Seen in his fight against Dragon God Wood. How he just raises his flames to a point he can burn him.
And the whole thing about fusing flames to his own. Also makes his physical strength and speed increase.
Plus his combat skills and intelligence with his super highten senses. Makes him one strong opponent.
Natsu is undoubtedly very strong, and I mostly attribute his fluctuating base powers? To a combination, of END and The Power of Friendship.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I don't know about the power of friendship. Since his magic is connected to his emotions. And the main ones he uses are Rage, Will, and Pride.
In other movies, books, and anime that have magic present. It's said that the stronger the emotions in the spell or magic. The stronger the person or spell is.
Plus Natsu sees the guild as a family.
And I don't know if I'm reaching or I do understand it. But since Natsu returned to Lucy after his and Happy's training. He seems more tame and holds back. Even when it comes to fighting his opponents. Cause they eventually become friends or allies.
Yeah, I mean? This is a little tricky, and definitely up for debate based on who you asked.
But you basically explained it yourself. Magic, in the world of Fairy Tail, is connected to strong- overwhelming emotions. It's restated, and confirmed many times.
And? In the world/narrative of Fairy Tail. No emotion is greater, than the love of a comrade. He see's his guild as family? And when fighting for them, he simply can't/won't lose.
In the case of his fights with the Dragon Gods? This is shown most clearly- through his ability to access Dragon Force at will- post beating Zeref/Acno. When his emotions get awakened, and he becomes angry or focused on his friends. He will start to channel his full END power (just like his did, with Savage Dragon Force against Fairy Heart Zeref.) And? He rises to-- or above the level, of the Dragon Gods.
IMO, it's not really him holding back- as much as it is, a lack of mastery rn.
For a simple in universe chart.
Base Natsu < Zeref < Acno/Dragon Gods/Fairy Heart < Friendship amp Natsu < SBT Acno/Maybe Ignia?
Nastu's inconsistency has nothing to do with him being a demon. It effects any magic user in FT. Emotions can greatly change a wizards magic. Love and hate and rage were the biggest examples. Zeref couldn't even beat Ultrear during Tenro. After he found his hatred for mankind again. He became one of the strongest wizards in the series. Love also ended Zeref's curse.
To add on, Selene in her human form was able to grow the moon about 950 times it's original size and Dogramag's remaining power was able to cause a giant earthquake that shook the entire continent of Guiltina. And Guitina is probably just as big as Ishgar which was measured to be a ridiculously large size to be a continent.
Both these feats, Natsu scales to. Also if the Dragon Gods can do planet level feats, this would also apply to Acnologia and Zeref (latter to some degree).
Yeah? This is tricky, since Dogramag’s giant continent shaking earthquake is very consistent with the Multi-Continental scales of power mentioned in the video.
But the moon feat, really depends on how you gauge it.
If you think it’s Moon Level (since? She affected the moon?) then that’s pretty well in-line with the lower end interpretations of Fairy Tail’s God Tiers.
If you’re going with the more planetary scales for Fairy Tail High tiers. You could definitely argue some ridiculous levels of hype with that though.
So? IMO.
I think Natsu (& The Dragon Gods.)
Are lowballed Multi-Continental.
And High Balled Planetary.
With Fairyheart Zeref scaling to these meta’s? But base Zeref really only capping at the first one.
Thanks for the comment!
zeref is still top 1, with neo eclipse he can wipe the entire universe and re live his life. thats literally a UNIVERSAL board wipe with recreation. the only reasson zeref lost was because he wanted to fight natsu and even then natsu couldnt kill him he could only stun lock him temporarely.
@@neos5432
Zeref can only do that if he had the Fairy Heart with the Space Between Time to use Neo Eclipse. So, it is actually beyond his capabilities, even in Fairy Heart.
@@fairiesflame1345 in vs battles the character is at his peak. also zeref was in possesion of both. also keep in mind that acnologia couldnt handle the SBT and needed dragon slayers to stabilize while zeref could handle an infinite amount of power.
Shaking an country aint near bustering in terms of power.
Fairy tail is alteast planetary overtime with specfic spells like neo eclispes and the water dragon flooding the world.
But in terms of bursting aint no way any fairy tail members bustering a country. But u. Scale them to selene or dragoncry
Fairy tail is VERY misunderstood when it comes to power scaling. People call it inconsistent when it's actually very consistent. Even more than most popular shonen.
Power of friendship boost doesn't exist. It's strong emotions that give everyone in the series a boost (Sting killing his master and Juvia fighting Meredy for example). Kinda how near death experiences give saiyans a power boost. Bonds and Emotions is the theme of the show so they may have some quotes about friendship but that's it. Flames of emotion is a move that boosts his power even more based of that principle.
This series also has less plot armor than shows like the big 3 but the narrative from people who don't understand it in general think every fight is plot armor... no. Natsu has the ability to burn through magic, which is why he beat Zeref. He literally experienced death so I assume his emotions were high. Combine that ability with the FOE and he still didn't kill Zeref. The only reason Zeref didn't keep fighting is because Mavis killed him, not Natsu. Acnologia split his power in half, had his arm cut off by Igneel, paralyzed, and lost to a 7x amp Natsu because he was fighting the entire continent.
Igneel flame Natsu is stronger than you give credit. I'd put him at #2 under or equal to Ignia flame mode.
I don't know why people downplay him saying he's not even mountain level. Lullaby and kid Jellal leveled mountains. They're fodder compared to episode 1 Natsu. He's planetary at lowball. Acnologia and Zeref on the other hand do have universal feats such as Acno having control over the void and creating his own universe to drag the dragon slayers in, and Zeref being able to recreate the universe. He's stated to be able to fire an infinite amount of Etherion Blasts. It's not a no limits fallacy, it's a blatant statement. So with that being said I'd rather believe he's universal than moon level. It's only hard to believe because being universal in itself is flawed. It's only believed in dbz because characters are actually shown to blow up universes.
FTL feats are also consistent considering Natsu blitzed the vanish brothers who claim to be light speed, Bluenote dodged fairy glitter which is actual light, and Stings whole power is light and lasers
People try to debunk everything by saying "it's just magic" not knowing that in fairytail magic is stated to be linked to nature. Time and space magic actually gives you control over it and was given to acnologia after eating the time rift. Not the time rift "magic". Natsu eats actual fire and creates actual fire
I agree 100% that Fairy Tail is super misinterpreted in terms of scaling.
However, I do see where the people who believe arguments of inconsistency are coming from.
As- power of friendship boost are, entirely canon in Fairy Tail as you said yourself. It's not given a fancy name like in DBZ, but emotions, bonds, and the general themes of the show- are basically tied directly into the power system, so Mashima doesn't have to give the characters new amps every arc.
As for Natsu vs Zeref, and his ability to burn magic. This is partially true. E.N.D. combined with the flames of emotion (or the Friendship amp provided from his guild, as Zeref implies) is enough to burn through Zeref's own magic.
However, Natsu did actually end Zeref's life. His Fairy Heart vanished, and Zeref was left on the ground, incapable of moving. He likely would've died from these injuries of his own accord, although? You can argue that Mavis put him out of his misery if you want. Since they do pass on together.
As for my rankings of forms? Acno did divide his power- but he divided his power after getting the space between time. Which? Makes his current power level against the slayers unquantifiable. His arm had also grown back by this point if I remember correctly. But, regardless.
The bigger point, is that igneel flame was above base Zeref. But definitely below Acno- since Acno unalived Igneel. But Seven Dragon flames (which combined seven power of friendship amped post time skip dragon slayers, into one attack) was capable of beating him. It's not really a big deal though? To argue one over the other, since these forms are all very similar in stats.
Oh, and as for the downplays? Yes, they're far above mountain level. However, here are my contentions with Universal Fairy Tail as meta.
For Acno? He controlled a mindspace- vague sort of pocket dimension, with no concrete size. And the idea of him being able to control a whole universe worth of space- is contradicted by space between time forcing him to split his body into two beings.
For Zeref though. It's a bit interesting. I personally believe he is the strongest character in the series with Fairy Heart. (If we ignore SBT Acno).
However, it is made very unclear how much magical output? He actually has. While yes, he does threaten to rewind "The World" we don't know how he plans to do this. But it's never implied to be a thanos esc- destroy everything, and put it back together spell. It's simply rewinding time, which would not be universal necessarily. As for the infinite etherion blasts? The series makes it very, very clear, that Fairy Heart Zeref has infinite (or a large amount of) magic. But we know he can't output infinite magic, because Natsu- is able to overpower, and burn his magic away. This is also implied heavily by people like Irene, suggesting that even base Acnologia still might be stronger than Fairy heart Zeref.
I agree though, that FTL is consistent for Fairy tail, and that Acnologia has space control. Magic = the real element in Fairy Tail.
My only contention is the scaling. Where I would probably say Fairy Heart Zeref (and all of Natsu's broken forms). Would be high end of Multi-Contential, to Planet Level with high ball. Because of their effects on the World, and way more consistent planet level statements.
I hope this answered all your questions though! And thanks, for leaving such a detailed comment.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY The reason I say Natsu didn't kill Zeref is because Zeref himself says that "I will be completely fine soon, these wounds will heal in a few minutes".
Also power of friendship is partially true. People use it to clown fairytail. Strong emotions give a boost. Never does Natsu say "I'm gonna use the power of friendship" and oneshots an enemy with no explanation. That's just the point I was tryna make because people act like he does. Wendy enchanted everyones power onto Natsu. It wasn't just an asspull.
Acnologias arm didn't grow back. In the scene that Natsu kills him, he tries to block it with that arm instinctively but remembers that Igneel took it off. That gave Natsu an open shot. If Acnologia wasn't stunned and able to block/clash it, then he wouldn't have died as easily. The reason I placed Igneel flame Natsu above 7 Flame Natsu is because Igneel and Irene are the most underrated in the series. He was strong enough to take Acnologias arm and I think he wasn't at full power when he fought Acno. Being that close to Acnologia means he's not too far from Ignia. But like you said, it's unquantifiable so it can go either way.
As for Zeref it actually is implied that he was NOT going back/rewind time. In his own words "I will not go to the past or future. I will remake myself once again". He was going to recreate the universe itself. He has an infinite amount since Mavis states "it doesn't hold magic because that suggests it has a limit, it's limitless" but true it's never implied how many he can output at once. The only reason base Acnologia "might" be able to beat him is because he's immune to non physical attacks and can just absorb the etherion blasts if Zeref were to spam it.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Now when it comes to scaling. My reasons come from characters like Brandish who is continental, Etherion blasts which is continental, and the meteor that Erza destroyed when she wasn't at full power was either country or continental. Countries in fairy tail are the size of continents. If Spriggan 12 members are continental-multicontinental then there's no way Base Zeref let alone SBT Acno is below planetary. The reason Acnologia was split in 2 is because he wasn't able to stabilize his power. That was temporary. So it doesn't contradict him being universal but true we don't know how big the dimension is
There's also feats that may be highball and reach, but they're very consistent but the reason universal is flawed is because Attack Potency doesn't equal Destructive Capacity. Otherwise the earth would've been destroyed every episode of dbz and one punch man.
I also don't consider the "savage flames of emotion" that killed Zeref a "form". It's more like a very conditional move. Imo the rankings are:
Lightning Flame mode
Dragon King mode
Dragon force
END (the one that fought Gray)
7 Flames mode
Igneel Flame
Ignia Flame
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thanks for the response. I hope you make more FT content in the future.
no dragon cry natsu form?, he did obliviterate a dragon powered with the rage o dead dragons
I pretty much agree with this, I agree that he is at least Multi-Continental - and believe that he should probably be Planetary in all honesty. But I do think it's a bit hard to gauge.
I can get behind planet level Fairy Tail? Especially with a highball. My only problem like I said- is that Zeref is clearly close to Multi-Continental? With Acno being above him? But only by some vague- small amount.
So the Dragon gods could be planet level? If you think Zeref is dramatically below Acno? If not- then they’re both closer to Multi-Continental with a lowball.
Regardless, I also pretty much agree with this comment! So no real arguments against it here.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYZeref is 4d
Zeref 4D scaling is confusing. But possible.
The reason I personally don’t support it. Is because of a lack of evidence.
SBT was enough to defeat Acnologia. FH Zeref lost to Natsu. And all the statements of power in the series- really imply more world destroying/planet level powers, for their top tiers.
Zeref’s only 4D argument. Is that he can “reset” the world. But this could also be argued- as just some sort of time travel Hax basically. Not him physically twisting the universe into what he wants.
So interpretation rn, is mostly.
Multi-Continental Low ball- Planet Level High ball- Uni+ for highest interpretation. (Similar to Naruto/Bleach.)
I’d say Large Planet level tbh if not higher but yeah he ain’t Uni
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwouldn’t “reset the world” hax throw his scaling out of proportion? Maybe not in AP but in general it’s hard to call someone with time distorting abilities to that extent only multi-continental
Natsu’s Dragon King fist could destroy the giant battle god without Igneel’s fire. As his dragon’s fire was a one off, he couldn’t have destroyed the giant with it at the time.
Natsu melts steel by literal just touching his skin
problem with writing stories with powers and growth is that at some point the powers are so op and ridiculous you need bigger and badder evil guys to face and the fights start anew with the good guys being weak and needs to get stronger, why not keep the power level and make the evil guys struggle at the first meeting as to give the viewer the satisfaction of seeing end game powers being used on someone knew and cocky.
I wanna see how strong is grey and erza
Multi-continental level Natsu indeed.
New subscribe 😁 good luck my friend ❤🎉
Always appreciate it! Hope you’ll stick around to see what’s next.
Natsu is atleast solar system tbh csk proved that fairy tail is capable of higher tiering he merged 12 dimensions with suns,stars,sands and its own flow of time
This is very, very debatable. And bordering on head canon.
As the series does not make it clear in the slightest. If these specks of light translate to stars. Nor do we know if Natsu is capable of destroying all of them.
With the only evidence to the contrary that I’ve seen- being vague anime filler.
It also somewhat contradicts the idea. That magic like dragon cry, the phoenix, etc… would be considered dangerous in universe.
I think the best highball you can give Fairy Tail is Planet+ personally! But those are just my thoughts. No hate.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I respect your opinion
But the thing natsu has shown multiple times that he is worthy of going up to these high level feats
Like come on how many existence erasers have fairy tail characters have come across and lived to see the next day I can't even count
Also nothingness is literally what it sounds like it is truly nothing
If there is no light there is no darkness
If there is no darkness there is no light
Natsu is able to exist in a place which has no dimensionality at all somehow managed to burn it all down even thou nothingness is non-physical and has no interactions
Also Natsu has been able to tank and beat people like the csk who can recreate constructs like stars and planets which he destroyed himself using his bare hands
You can even see in the celestial spirit realm that it is a galaxy in size
Opinius created 12 dimensions with a sun which was directly overhead which is different to our sun with sands and thier own flow of time
By csks Roar was breaking apart the construction and everything inside it
This is atleast solar system feat
And i have alot of statements and fears for fairy tail that can atleast get them to universal
Because even then you can visually see natsu destroying things with his own strength in fact idk remember one time in entire show when natsu best feats were off screen
When natsu burned throught time he did not burn through the magic he burned the concept of time zeref explain himself and was able to 2 shot a imortal being dont down play natsu
This isn’t super accurate for two reasons. 1.) END was the only one who could beat Zeref, specifically because he could burn his magic (damaging his own soul in the process) which defeated Zeref. And Zeref himself only says that Natsu is burning through his time magic. Like some DBZ sort of thing. Natsu negated Hax through sheer power.
2.) Gray & Lucy were tampering with the book of Zeref. Which may or may not have been what Triggered Natsu to gain this “Soul burning” magic negating power he had during this fight.
Even if you want to be really charitable though? Natsu “burning time” isn’t a speed feat? Since all he did was destroy a manipulated time-space.
Which? Would be good Hax- but that’s about it.
Actually, you are incorrect natsu in igneel mode was able to 2 shot zeref is was stated and now he has it when ever he wants as his fire and time magic is the concept of time
Time Magic isn't the concept of time. Time magic is the manipulation of time, through magic. (Otherwise there would be no distinctions between the two.)
And? Natsu did beat Zeref with Fire Dragon King Mode. But he never had igneel's power during this fight (FDKM was made by his own flames, and was much weaker.)
@@TUCKALMIGHTYnatsu did burn through the concept of time.
During natsu final fight against zeref, zeref stated It's burning!! My magic... time itself is buring up!!!
Natsu infact burnt through magic and time at that moment.
@lachydragneelBe burned magic bozo
u should also scale shiki from eden zero
Selene alone has stated to have destroyed countless world's
This could easily be interpreted as societies. As opposed to planet nuking. Due to the word “Sekai” being used in translation.
And? As far as I’m aware- it might be a little more consistent, with the kind of things Acnologia had already showed off.
That world means universe because he was able transcends dimensions
@@TroolGods yuuuup
@TUCKALMIGHTY selene stated that after she talked about being able to traverse all dimensions including elentir which presence alone was cause that world to self destruct
@@spartanglynn2405 if it's stated to be earth land then planet if it's world then it's universe because even celestial world and edolas called world
Natsu is large planet+ to maybe star/solarsystem level by EoS, not anywhere above or below.
Nah, he is multi-continental at eos, then planetary by 100 year continuation
@@generalweezy4184 100 year quest is current EoS; Although 7 dragon slayer form is also large planet
@@Frstypwngaming I will say large planet is a stretch but believable
With this video, im really curious about his Dragon Cry form
Well considering its essentially a better Dragon Force variant of the one he used in the Final fight VS Zeref, id say its pretty deadly :D Very easily would be stronger than his E.N.D form But im not exactly sure where it would scale, So far i think his strongest is possibly Natsu's own Lighting Dragon Mode :)
Can you scales Gray Fullbuster next and make video about how strong is he?
I could maybe do that. Gray’s way more consistent than Natsu. And he’s got some Hax that make him absolutely lethal!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Yes and more intelligence than Natsu
Gray is so slept on yet so broken. Silver and Invel froze someone as strong as Natsu in one second and Gray has both their powers. Ice that can't even be melted by anyone pre Tartaros arc. and Gray can just flash freeze anyone by waving his arm or snapping his fingers.
There's a lot of thing that don't make sense with Natsu's scaling because when Dimaria froze him in time she could have just slit his throat, but after seeing Lucy get wrecked he went END mode and then suddenly could walk through Age Seal's time stop. So are we to just say END was going easy on Dimaria and giving her a chance to kill him?
Also, END book just disintegrated after the Zeref fight so can we allow current Natsu to scale with END's feats? I think prime Natsu is a lot stronger than current for this reason, since most of his power came from END.
the crazy thing is, after all his crazy powers he prolly still is considered Grey s equal and Under Erza, With Gildarts being seen as much stronger :))) In reality them 3 combined should get bodied by natsu while not at full power
I don’t think the book matters at this point. Lucy just wrote it so the body link wouldn’t affect him. He is still E.N.D. Because he was rebirthed as an etherious.
Unless he died again and then was reincarnated like zeref and mavis. He’s just an etherious no longer bound to Zeref.
I mean it’s like goosebumps in a way. The book being gone doesn’t change who they are it just prevents certain circumstances.
Natsu is strong but he is a bit overwanked. Like seriously people think he can beat Goku. Goku is way past this level of power
Yes, I really like Natsu? And he’s planned to appear in an upcoming video.
But no amount of hype makes him anywhere near Goku level.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYFr
I love Natsu but he ain't beating Goku. That's stupid to even say so. Even ignoring the god forms, Natsu couldn't even touch Super Sayian Goku.
@@KDB349 Leave that over wanked fodder verse I loved it but damn have you seen guys wanking this people to multiversal to outerversal? Lmao just ignore them let them make themselves happy in reality Goku would finger flick the verse away and I am not even a Goku fan saying it look at my pfp
Natsu has a crazy feats that you did not mention at his fight with ultear who legit can make an infinite parallel Universe and shrink them into crystal ball which natsu destroy it and tank it after ultear hit it to him csk feats he can destroy both earth land and celestial world which contain infinite size countless star planet ETC and earth land stated stated by ultear that earth land contains infinite universe zeref Dragneel who legit transcends the concept of time and space that manipulate the who verse that has an infinite array of dimensions that transcends one another and zeref stated that he well going to destroy it and make another acnologia also transcends the concept of time and space he was able to survive at true void that nothing can exists not even time and space it contains the concept of time and space stated by Lucy and acnologia ate it proceeded him to also transcends the concept of time and space
So? This is a little tricky- but the reason I don’t agree with these four particular arguments. Are this.
1.) Ultear explains this “universes” are just timelines she’s imagining, or can see. So the compressed magic attacks she uses, aren’t literally implied to be Natsu killing a universe of people with every attack (which he wouldn’t do) but rather? Just him destroying the compressed magical energy, of that idea. Making it? At best, unquantifiable.
2.) CSK destroying earthland/celestial spirit realm may be possible. But they are implied to be planetary in size. With the “stars” being just random light sources, that might not even be considered part of the “realm” just like we don’t call the Sun part of Earth. I’m also.. pretty sure this happens in a filler arc? But don’t quote me on that at all. I may be wrong.
3.) Zeref does canonically have infinite (meaning a lot of) Magic power though. And with Neo eclipse, he can implied to have Universal range- or reality control? (Since his magic transcends time/space.)
However? There are two major things to look at here. The first, are statements like those from Irene? Which imply Fairy Heart Zeref could potentially lose to Base Acno. And The Second? Is that Zeref having infinite magic, doesn’t mean infinite power. It just means he can’t run out. There’s no evidence he has infinite AP, As we see Natsu is able to overpower him- and survive him (both before & after power of friendship boosts.)
4.) Acno eating Space Between Time, which is (or transcends) space time? Literally caused him to be so overwhelmed, that he had to split his Soul in half to handle to load. SBT Acno is also possibly the strongest individual in the verse? So- Natsu doesn’t really scale to him. As the SBT was implied to be Dragon God Level (via being above Acno) which Natsu? Isn’t yet.
Those are just my thoughts though. I think Planet level meta’s or Multi-Continental. Are both undeniable. And anything higher is too contentious for my taste.
Thanks for watching the video though! Hope you enjoyed.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY i can actually give you a valid scan 😊 acnologia stated he's beyond time and space which means transcends
@@TUCKALMIGHTY do you have discord i would love to show some scans
Don’t have a discord at the moment. But I actually have that scan (I think.) I used it in Kaido Vs Acnologia I think.
But Acnologia may have been saying it hyperbolically.
Or if it was after SBT (since I don’t remember off the top of my head) He did actually surpass space and time. But he had to split his soul (magic) into multiple beings to do so.
Otherwise? He would’ve been unstoppable. (Or at least? It’s implied.)
Thanks for the offer though!
@@TroolGodsactually Natsu is pretty much can't kill because he was able to survive at momento mori attack that legit erase your soul, existence,mind also both Natsu and gray able to survive mard geer conceptual existence erasure that can kill even Immortal
Plllllllllllsssssssss do vidéo of how strong is hanuman
17:34 natsu flames are far hotter than yamatos, natsu being 200 million degrees and yamatos is 15 million.
If you are reading 100 years quests all I'm going to say... Lighting.
Thank you to be honest i also think Natsu is multi Continental. I think Natsu is cool and all but some people seriously overhype this man and go far and say his universal.
didn't he give up his end and dragon powers? or did i read that wrong?
instead accepting and overcoming he just threw it away like yeah i'm a normal human.....
I got FT higher but W video🤝
Always appreciate it! And if you’ve got Fairy Tail higher? It’s no worries.
We’re actually making a new video for 500 subs, that’s going to be all about the higher end scaling for this series. So feel free to stay tuned.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Excited to see that G, I’ll let ya’ll cook🔥
Isn't their planet several times bigger than ours so planetary to them would be a lot higher than ours
W move
Natsu vs Luffy
We’ve already started work on it. Trying to figure out if the end of egghead island? Is about to massively change OP power scaling.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY cool. And have you considered doing 7 deadly sins?
100% Would do 7ds if we could think of a good match-up.
Tristian Vs Boruto, Meliodas Vs Asta, Escanor Vs Whitebeard, etc...
Have all been ideas mentioned for a future video.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY all good matches. Plus Irene vs Merlin has been mentioned
well fairy peak
A bit confusing.
Natsu is way stronger in ap
Yea he can't scale FT planetary easy I get way higher sike nah lol man I can throw u sum scaling and feats that can prove base natsu star lvl atp
Above planetary FT is just silly ridiculous highball stuff.
Unless you want to say 90% of Shonen is like? Multiversal, or Uni+ then their higher lines of scaling are inconsistent.
Or you can use anime fillers to get Natsu higher- but I don’t buy that line of scaling either? (Since it’s anime only content).
Just my thoughts though.
Multi-Continental to Planet, is where I’d scale them.
@TUCKALMIGHTY so space time isn't 4d? Also selene moving the moon is calc to large Planet if u use the cosmology FH zeref would be uni due to erasing thr future and. Past and having control over space time which is 4d that's UNI.
Eclipse arc is canon stated by mashima that arc alone gets natsu to uni + I can prove feats
@TUCKALMIGHTY acnologia flying past destroyed Continents casually that's multi con right there how u scale them that low?
The spirggan were stated to destroy coubtrys and contients
@@TUCKALMIGHTY ultear creates infinite parallel universes 😂😂😂😂 stop lowballing
@TUCKALMIGHTY I'm not pressing sorry if I seem rude lmfoa Love FT and I understand why ppl scale them around that lvl and it's fine but just hax alone gets FT to Uni-lowmulti
Mashyme created Eden zero , rave , and FT and combined them in 1 manga
And it's shown that all 3 verses Are connected some how even dead rock
Which means zeref would have destroyed masyhmes stories at once 👀👀
If u don't respect that he would have destroyed the FT verse which is stated Infiniti in size multiple times and also the Csk realm has Infiniti solar systems withen it I can really cook for FT
This is very inaccurate
How so
Again with the power of friendship,you all bash fairy tail with that yet others have it and it's fine.
It's not a bash against Fairy Tail at all. I really like Fairy Tail, otherwise? I wouldn't have made a video about it.
The power a friendship is just a very literal- hyper significant thing to Natsu's scaling, whether you think he's super strong- or kind of weak? Maybe just somewhere bewteen.
His feats and lore just change a lot based on power of friendship, so I had to cover it. No hate toward Fairy Tail for it, obviously.