Read the entire manga and even 100 year quest. Natsu wins for numerous reasons. -Better Attack Power .-Better Speed -More Buffs -Greater Stamina -Senses counter Luffy's FS -Better tactician
Your comment on Base Natsu being relative only to Spriggans is highly outdated... That was true up until the Dogramag Labyrinth Arc, where Base Natsu was able to hang with Base Suzaku, who scales relative to Human Selene's casual moon enlargement and then in Gold Owl, where Base Natsu is easily dealing with far greater than Dark Dragon Slayer Knights characters. I know you consider Selene's casual moon enlargement shaky and stupid, but even without "fan calcing" as you call my work, it's clear to see the moon is far bigger than before and therefore Selene's magical power has the ability to create a planet sized moon, which should have a level of Attack Potency far above Luffy. Luffy's best feats reach Small Planetary and just doesn't come near to Selene's feat and at the end of the day... Base Natsu alone can just take out Luffy with one Fire Dragon's Iron Fist with minimal difficulty. Also Natsu does scale to Fairy Heart Zeref with his best form, but he don't need that. Your understanding of Fairy Tail Scaling also seems flawed as well... With the claim that Aldoron is weaker than the other Dragon Gods in general, when that's explicitly not true You claim that that sciency fan calc stuff is stupid... But the literal only way to scale 2 characters with any type of consistency is with calcs... As there's no other bar to scale two people from completely separate series
My thoughts on Base Natsu are definitely a little contentious. Since like I mentioned towards the end, he did get stronger following his fight with Aldoron. However the manga makes it pretty clear that the Dark Dragon Slayers (Suzaku included) couldn’t really hang with a fully fledged Dragon God in the first place. Which was the only reason I mentioned it in the first place. As It’s clearly shown that the Full Power Dragon Gods Fold Base Natsu, and pretty much everyone else. And because their Dragon forms scale to Acnologia (not their human forms) I thought it was important to make a distinction between the scaling for the two forms for Natsu. With the spriggans seeming like a more obvious benchmark to me (using etherion) as opposed to Suzaku. Who is vaguely around- or slightly above Spriggan level. For hanging with a somewhat unquantifiable Human Dragon god. And assuming erza finds him stronger than Irene potentially? As for Gold Owl? With God Serena being a member, and blatantly stating he’s the 4th strongest in the guild. It sort of backs up the notion that characters like August & Irene, should partially hang with those 100 YQ characters like Base Natsu (and to a lesser extent Suzaku) due to their portrayal as “strong” even this late into the series. As for how Luffy compares to all of that? Luffy’s best pixel calced feats are 100% not as high as Selene, or even planetary in general. But when keeping in mind that- A.) Luffy’s Haki modifiers are not included in any of his strongest calced feats B.) Aside from Selene’s single calc, Fairy Tail is concretely Multi-Continental, without anything in the manga continuity to support Large Planetary. I don’t find it all that unreasonable to say that Luffy (with marginally worse AP) can make up for the difference using Hax against someone who doesn’t even fully scale to Selene (usually needing amps or outside help to compete with & defeat dragon gods.) My statement on FH Zeref comes from Irene’s multiple statements of FH Zeref > Base Acno But it’s fine if you disagree there, since it’s mostly a complaint with people who use Fairy Heart to make Uni+ claims. As for Aldoron. I claimed he was the weakest Dragon God, because he was the first to face defeat. Sort of an Occam’s razor situation, where stakes will usually increase within a story as it goes on. But Aldoron doesn’t have to be the weakest necessarily? It’s just hard to point at anything in favor of him not to be. In general though? I don’t see anything wrong with “sciency” fan scale stuff at all. I just disagree with using it as a standalone scaling method. Without statements and preferably other feats to back it up. As I try to value consistency over raw numerical outliers. Since fans can calc almost anything to absurd levels (with pixel scrunching, or Cherry picked pages of art) while ignoring the author & intent of the story (such as the One Piece big worlder scaling we mention for Luffy) Which would obviously invalidate the whole practice if not taken with a grain of salt, or context from the story. At least IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I should clarify when I said Spriggan level for Base Natsu, I meant Spriggans aside from August and Irene, who are verbatim stated to be in another dimension of power from the other Spriggans. The weaker end Spriggans are the source of the Multi-Continental and Etherion level power, with August and Irene directly stated to be in another league from that benchmark. August and Irene are still very much relavant in the current Top Tiers. But as for the others, Base Natsu has long since surpassed the likes of Wall, Invel, Brandish, etc. "However the manga makes it pretty clear that the Dark Dragon Slayers (Suzaku included) couldn’t really hang with a fully fledged Dragon God in the first place" Oh no, this is completey accurate. Dragon Form Dragon Gods are equal to the Acnologia before he absorbed the Space Between Time and they can one-shot Georg, who is far above Suzaku's Full Power. That isn't a problem for me. But the source of the Selene Moon Enlargment, which to me is Planetary-Large Planetary is a slightly serious Human Selene, who loses to Full Power Suzaku, with Selene herself saying that Full Power Suzaku is above her Human Form in terms of power. So it's the HUMAN FORMs of the Dragon Gods that are the benchmark for Planetary-Large Planetary, meaning it ends up scaling to a lot of folks. "I thought it was important to make a distinction between the scaling for the two forms for Natsu. With the spriggans seeming like a more obvious benchmark to me (using etherion) as opposed to Suzaku. Who is vaguely around- or slightly above Spriggan level. For hanging with a somewhat unquantifiable Human Dragon god. And assuming erza finds him stronger than Irene potentially?" The weaker end Spriggans such as Neinhart and Brandish were long since surpassed by Base Natsu, who was verbatim stated to be stronger than them, and Base Suzaku casually one-shot that version of Natsu. So Base Suzaku easily one-shots the Spriggans aside from August and Irene. Natsu states he gets stronger and his Base is able to moderately hurt and keep up with Suzaku and do as well against Dogramag. And in Gold Owl, Base Natsu's scaling goes nutz... We see Base Natsu easily overpower Athena 2, who has all of Wendy's Magic Power, with Wendy's Full Power being capable of beating Haku, who's at least relative to Base Suzaku. In the latest chapter, we then have Base Natsu counter a serious stomp from a Full Power Viernes, whereas Georg got turned into a puddle by a serious stomp from a Full Power Selene. So at worse, base Natsu is now relative to the guy who's above Full Power Suzaku "As for Gold Owl? With God Serena being a member, and blatantly stating he’s the 4th strongest in the guild. It sort of backs up the notion that characters like August & Irene, should partially hang with those 100 YQ characters like Base Natsu (and to a lesser extent Suzaku) due to their portrayal as “strong” even this late into the series." God Serena is stronger than before. Which a lot of people take issue with for some reason... But even if he wasn't, he was never limited to the Etherion and Multi-Continental level feats that other Spriggans were scaled to. The statement that God Serena was equal to the other Spriggans was misinformed as when the 4 Gods of Ishgar challenge him, they say he's gotten even stronger. So the God Serena they thought was equal to the other Spriggans is even stronger than before. "But when keeping in mind that- A.) Luffy’s Haki modifiers are not included in any of his strongest calced feats B.) Aside from Selene’s single calc, Fairy Tail is concretely Multi-Continental, without anything in the manga continuity to support Large Planetary. I don’t find it all that unreasonable to say that Luffy (with marginally worse AP) can make up for the difference using Hax against someone who doesn’t even fully scale to Selene (usually needing amps or outside help to compete with & defeat dragon gods.)" Well Luffy's Haki is for sure impressive, all he's ever had to deal with powerwise is Kaidou, who is vastly inferior to Natsu's best currently. Since Base Natsu by now is at the very least relative to Suzaku and Suzaku scales above the Planetary-Large Planetary level of the Human Dragon Gods, this means that at his absolute weakest, Natsu is hundreds of times stronger than the strongest person Luffy's ever had to deal with. Luffy's had to deal only with Kaidou's Fire, Heat, Durability, and Attack Potency output, which is vastly inferior to what Natsu is capable of in Base. And with his strongest forms, Natsu has one-shot people in that Planetary-Large Planetary range, meaning he's one-shot people stronger than Luffy's absolute best. So if we're going peak to peak, Natsu just needs to land one attack at all to finish Luffy off essentially. And while I agree Luffy's overall faster and future sight will help a lot, considering the insane AOE Natsu has and how much stronger he is with his strongest attacks, Luffy doesn't stand a chance and most likely couldn't just block his attacks with Haki. As for the internal damage Luffy can do, well first he has to get close enough to land the attacks, which puts him in range to get nuked by Natsu and secondly Natsu has shown very good internal damage durability when Guttman created several magical explosions inside his body and he took them just fine. Natsu's endurance is also just nutz as we've seen many times he is able to continue fightly despite insane internal, external, and overall painful injuries, so even if Luffy does start hurting him, it's not like Natsu's going down fast. "My statement on FH Zeref comes from Irene’s multiple statements of FH Zeref > Base Acno. But it’s fine if you disagree there, since it’s mostly a complaint with people who use Fairy Heart to make Uni+ claims." I agree that Fairy Heart Zeref isn't Universal as Neo Eclipse is clearly an exception to his attack potency and doesn't scale to Dark Blast Inferno. As for the Irene and August statements, they imply Zeref could maybe surpass Dragon Acnologia, but at best that makes them relative. Natsu only scales to that Zeref with Savage Dragon Fire, which is quite literally a last resort where he breaks his limits and has to hurt himself to gain enough power to overpower said Zeref. It's basically a non factor in most fights because Natsu's rarely if ever forced to go beyond his limits to that extent and if he was, he can't do it for long. Regardless this is Natsu's power and not the Guild or Book of END giving him any boost, it's moreso a sacrificial power he gained from hurting himself and breaking his limits in a way he can't even sustain for long. "As for Aldoron. I claimed he was the weakest Dragon God, because he was the first to face defeat. Sort of an Occam’s razor situation, where stakes will usually increase within a story as it goes on. But Aldoron doesn’t have to be the weakest necessarily? It’s just hard to point at anything in favor of him not to be." Well at their peak, all the Dragon Gods are equal to each other and Pre-SBT Acnologia, we know that. With Dragon Force, Natsu was able to defeat an Aldoron who was at 40% because 3/5 of the God Seeds were destroyed and somewhat weakened him. It's still impressive Dragon Force can beat 40% of a Dragon God, but he definitely doesn't scale to their full capabilities. But he still scales above the moon enlargement by many times considering how a slightly serious Human Selene did that feat "In general though? I don’t see anything wrong with “sciency” fan scale stuff at all. I just disagree with using it as a standalone scaling method. Without statements and preferably other feats to back it up. As I try to value consistency over raw numerical outliers. Since fans can calc almost anything to absurd levels (with pixel scrunching, or Cherry picked pages of art) while ignoring the author & intent of the story (such as the One Piece big worlder scaling we mention for Luffy)" Oh I agree, power scaling can essentially be whatever people want it to be. But when it comes to stuff like on-screen feats where something clearly insanely powerful happens, I'm all about that. Stuff like Luffy's Bajrang Gun or Selene's Moon Enlargement to me are valid and backed by "World Destroying" statements of power. You also have Human Selene threatening the entire planet of Elentear from overflowing with magic power and her magic power causing Tsunami's in other dimensions just because she's too strong. So yeah, in general I see direct feats like this to be valid, but when you get to stuff like "Natsu is Star-Universe level as early as X791 because he merged dimensions that had stars in them", I find those to be clear outliers. In general, I don't think your video was bad, but I do think you overestimate Luffy's chances with his hax, as it's very clear all Natsu needs is one solid blow to get the W. As for Gear 5th, it's hax hasn't displayed anything that can handle Natsu's level of power and thanks to the fight with Kizaru, we know that for the moment, Luffy can't maintain it for that long and the second it deactivates, he's left completely defenseless as an old man. So considering Base Natsu is above Gear 5th Luffy's absolute best, all he has to do is hang in for a little bit and then Luffy's finished. And if Natsu uses any higher forms like Dragon Force or Fire Dragon King Mode, Luffy's cooked for real. Wow... That was a lot of text... I'm way too passionate about Fairy Tail Power Scaling
@@mynameisjeff7091 I meant him melting the area around him(Kaido melted onigashima’s top, Natsu melted the GMG arena and vaporized the clothes of everyone in it aside from himself). Difference between those feats being that Natsu’s ambient heat didn’t hurt anyone, but that’s just because he willed it not to. Also, base Natsu can turn the ground to Lava and reshape it, so…
The absolute bias bruh you haven't changed since Ichigo vs Naruto the hell is the research Country level etherion did you even bother noticing how the smallest country in FT is almost bigger than our real continents with solid evidence and one of the bigger countries is wider than earth how is it that you think Natsu in 100YQ is only spriggan level when just in the Alvarez arc the spriggans were supposed to be equal except for 2 yet Brandish was legit scared of an amped Neiheart and Natsu slapped him like a fly and consistantly a Natsu traumatized Dimaria (and partial END is weaker than Natsu fighting Zeref) and continental spriggans is solid when one of them just has magic confinement=magnetic confinement (author proved) you know the same thing that produces heat hotter than the sun (oh yeah and Natsu's base heat is hotter than that with Invels statement) and with dragoncry being canon solidifies spriggans are fodder to a going all out Natsu except Irene and August And what do you mean not a threat to top tiers when Natsu erased Zeref in his strongest then right after burned his powers away including the concept of time and thats an already worn down Natsu just take into account Natsu even got stronger throughout 100yq just think about him taking blows from full powered Aldoron who's comparable to Ignia who destroyed countless continent-moon sized countries and Selene who can enlarge the moon to planetary sizes on a whim and passively affects alternate worlds from separate dimensions just by flexing her power no hax no spells just raw power and Natsu legit destroyed a weakened Aldoron so he's at least 1/3or/4 of their power making him solid planetary he's easily FTL in base just upscaling from his relativistic self at earliest arcs Luffy has zero advantages his precog won't help when Natsu's basic attacks are default AOE with serious heat no one in OP can handle Conquerors won't work the dura neg/internal damage won't work on someone with stronger insides (Natsu's organs tank explosions his skin couldn't and dragon scales with serious durability that tanks attacks that can cut dragon gods Natsu's speed is enough to keep up Luffy ain't escaping a one shot large city wide attack that can destroy planetary characters Luffy doesn't even have the AP to hurt Natsu as he's only multi-continent his hax won't do much his toonforce only works on relatively strong characters even scaling him to White beard don't work and even if white beard still ain't even solid planetary as A. could be hyperbole or B. world destruction doesn't apply to AP since his fruit just grants him the hax to reach such effects It's pretty obvious how the fight goes Natsu can't hit Luffy gets annoyed then one shots with purgatory flame
@@marqusmedina5983 and his magic protection protects him from fire not explosions do you even know the physics and difference between heat and explosion Bruh You clarified nothing
Luffy struggled with people like Kizaru and Kaido who Natsu would 1 shot. Natsu burnt time itself and a beyond transcended above it. Luffy stands zero chance
Judging from the way the fruit works, Bill is actually way hotter than the average blast furnace as it takes six to eight hours to even melt common metals down. However, Bill does so in seconds. It can be easily assumed that he burns well over ten times hotter than the average blast furnace (which ranges from 900C to 1300C) in order to melt ore the way he does. This doesn't even count the amount of heat he exudes when consumes more ore which further increases to the heat he can push out. he main strength of this fruit is the ability to become a human-blast furnace, able to consume ore, melting said ore down in their bodies, and then solidify the molten ore in the user's body and shape it into anything the user desires, including metal weapons, which he can pull out from his abdomen. The user can even launch the ore in its molten state to attack others. They can encase people in solid silver by pouring the molten ore on them; the user will also become encased in silver if covered in ore, but they will still have freedom of movement. They are also granted immunity from being burned by the molten ore, initially hot metal it is formed into, and most forms of heat including fires. The more ore the user consumes, the larger and more powerful they become, as Bartolomeo pointed out that the resultant effect appears similar to Logia.
Natsu solos OP The Eclipse Celestial Spirit arc is canon and the members of FT have reacted to the Celestial Globe's Light which travelled to different constellations almost instantly, putting them at MFTL+ speeds easily. And by the end of the main series, they move faster than the Celestial Globe's Light even, speedblitzing characters that scale above the FT members' versions in the Eclipse Celestial Spirit Arc. The Eclipse Celestial Beast is stated to be capable of destroying the entire Celestial Spirit Realm, which is stated to be infinite in size by the Celestial Spirits themselves. As stated also in the afterword in a volume by Hiro Mashima himself, the Spriggan 12 are stronger than ANY antagonist before them aside from Zeref and Acnologia. The Eclipse Celestial Beast is included among them. Natsu's heat lowballs 200 million degrees celsius in base form, scaling higher than wahl's magic confinement fusion which is stated to be the same as magnetic confinement fusion which lowballs 200 million degrees celsius. Who in One Piece has shown same level heat feats? Becauss Natsu in base form, just by existing could just instantly kill them all. In 100 Year Quest, Natsu in Dragon Force gets stronger by millions of times, seeing as how hes capable of throwing hands with Aldoron, and actually clashing with him evenly. Aldoron is stated to have 1 billion stamina points, and one Fire Dragon King's Destruction Fist only took out 1 point. By law of averages, assuming that the power for Aldoron is divided equally into the God Seeds which number up to 5, this would mean that each seed would have the power of 200 million points of Aldoron. By the end of the arc, 2 seeds remained. One of them being God Seed Aldoron that Natsu fought and defeated, the same God Seed that carried all of the power of the main body of Aldoron.
It's been 2 months, but at least there is some tries to make FT verse at least comparable with OP verse, so I think I'll spend some time to debunk that pile of assumptions and speculations. Let's start with MFTL+ feat of dodging Celestial Globe light. Well, first of all, this feat takes place not in actual world but in different dimension of Astral Spiritus and all constellations there are placed close to each other which proves that distance between the place and constellations aren't as large as they are in our world + Globe's light didn't reach constallations one by one, it was spread at all constellations at the same time due to how globe was sending beams in all directions. So there is no actual scale that would put that feat into MFTL+ If you go with statements about destroying infinite realm, this game can be played by OP verse as well. In one piece there is a character called Mont D'Ore. His ability of buku buku no mi was stated by Oda in vivre card to be able to create parallel universes where he can trap people. Additionaly it was stated by Big Mom that every book created by Mont D'Ore contains infinite array of worlds. Jimbei also stated that Mont D'Ore's worlds are infinite. The same Mont D'Ore was outmached by base WCI arc Luffy who just defeated Cracker who was 3rd commander and the strongest in the Big Mom's crew including Mont D'Ore exept for Big Mom herself, Smoothie and Katakuri. And in the end of WCI arc the same base Luffy boxing with Katakuri who is 1st commander. So in the end we get just 1 dimension for Celestial Beast vs Infinite array of infinite universes for Mont D'Ore. This feat alone makes Luffy omnipotent and he literaly wipes entire FT verse by ACOC release. 200 millions degrees argument was already debunked years ago, but since we know source of that nonsense it's not hard to track where this so called "feat" comes from. Magic confinement fusion NEVER was stated to be magnetic, this assumption was created by one English translator who just pulled theory out of his ass that Magic fusion is equal to magnetic fusion with no arguments. The same translator already was caught making several mistakes in his translation, excusing himself by saying that "japanese is difficult language and sometimes his assumptions can go either way". There is no a single statement from manga or from author directly implying that Magnetic fusion is as hot as Magic fusion. And it's really funny that you say "Who in One Piece has shown same level heat feats?" - because you didn't bring a single feat, even if these words were confirmed, it wouldn't be counted as feat, but statement. So in the end we still have no feats of statements of Natsu having 200 million degrees and his biggest temperature feat is vaporizing sand, while in OP Akainu could permanently change climate of Punk Hazard island turning it into litteral magma hell, Ace with his presense alone causally changed climate of snow island for a week until he left all those feats take much more heat energy to vaporise sand, so litteraly even Ace outscales Natsu. So having base WCI Luffy from the beggining of the arc and before improving his haki to be already Multiversal+, scaling all his form (G2, G3, G4) and his armament haki improvement (after fighting Katakuri), than scaling his amps in Wano where in G4, having improved armement he was blitzed and oneshotted by base Kaido who took the strongest attack of G4 to the face and didn't get even scratch and then having base Luffy with ryuo haki casually dealing damage to Hybrid form Kaido and than scaling all forms with ryou haki (G2 + ryou, G3 + ryou, G4 + ryou) and than scaling additional improvment of Conqueror's haki where base Luffy with ACOC could clash with Hybrid form Kaido splitting the Heavens outscaling G4 + ryou and than scaling all his forms with ACOC (G2 + ACOC, G3 + ACOC, G4 + ACOC) and than putting it together with ryou, since as was stated by Kaido, it's possible to use ACOC and Ryou at the same time having in the end G2 + ryou + ACOC, G3 + ryou + ACOC, G4 + ryou + ACOC we get huge numbers of how Luffy was amped to the end of Wano and I didn't even count G5 with Ryou and ACOC. Sorry for breaking your world, but Luffy mid diffs Natsu, if we go with feats, and neggs FT verse if we go with wanking using statements.
Natsu can probably 1v1 anyone and beat them in that verse, but i don’t think the power of friendship or any of his others power can help beat all of them together.
nahh luffy base line is easily country to large country in base seeing how his haki clash with kadio engulf the entire country of wano and luffy scales above his gear 4 self from dressora being large island to even country with luffy mastering the form in wano
What a mess. 19:50 Aldoron is not even the second weakest, Dogramag was described as the weakest, to te point that Elefseria was able to kill him, risking her life. Even Selene openly said that if Ignia hadn't hurt her, she could have killed Dogramag herself. The there's Mercuphobia, which literally only has half its power. 38:51 Are you not even going to mention that Natsu in the GMG fought with Sting and Rogue and sai tha he could notice the way yhey both breated, Sting exact pulse, or that Rogue puts her foot in a exact position when performing an attack? All this with their dragonslayer senses, they practically said that they already know all their attacks and Natsu spent his time humiliating them. You also haven't mentioned that Nika has a low usage time and that when it runs out, Luffy is on his las legs. On the other hand, Natsu was fighting for a whole day when he went to rescue Lucy in GMG.
Natsu would scale to zeref Not sbt acnologia But with the zeref fight 1 natsu didnt use any End powers to best zeref he only used ds magic and 2 lucy with the book only healed natsu she never gave him a power boost Natsu best zeref using flames of emotion zeref says this himself Foe is something natsu has had access to since episode 8
Natsu would scale to base Zeref 100% but his scaling to Fairy Heart Zeref is a bit controversial in my mind. And SBT Acnologia is the strongest in the verse by mashima's own statement, so yes Natsu doesn't scale to him. In Natsu's first fight with Zeref, he used the power of Igneel (FDKM) which he no longer has access to (he can only use his self activated version of the form) And as for the second fight, tampering with the book of zeref + flames of emotion + potential mental nerfs for Zeref, are what made him lose. It's 100% possible that Zeref lost to Natsu legitimately, but at that point? You could also just say that Irene's statement about Zeref is not true- further backing up the notion of a non-universal scale. So IMO? It's either Natsu < Base Acno < FH Zeref Or FH Zeref < Natsu < Base Acno Whichever you find more reasonable honestly.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY natsu at his peak in alveraz sbt acno>>>>natsu>=fhzeref>=base acno Zeref had no mental nerfs his goal in that moment was to reset the timeline And he was trying to get natsu out the way Natsu proceeded to beat him with a form hes had the whole zeref Natsu would scale to him regardless because he literally evicerated him in FDK+ DF and zeref reversed time on himself to comeback and put a hole in natsu natsu scaled to him in ap he just didnt have anything to counter the reverse of time
@TUCKALMIGHTY How when Natsu erased Zeref completely that true time manipulation was used and Natsu just proceeded to burn the fairy heart power What mental nerf when zeref was in god form and is serious at fighting Natsu his hax maybe held back but AP and durability don't just fall down and fairy heart is a separate power source so Natsu pretty much bruned away godly powers Editing the book possibly affects base Zeref but not Fairy heart cause why would it when they completely different beings at that point and flames of emotion don't actually boost power in anyway it's just a fancy way of going all out that's Natsu's own power why wont he scale when he's outright stronger Zeref just has better hax
@@ReidnReactn sorry I meant the reply to @TUCKALMIGHTY bruh low-balls less popular or less loved verse He did the same to bleach last time Second time I made a wall in his comments
Bodies transformed by a Logia ability are completely invulnerable to most attacks, as when they are hit and thus blown out of shape, they will simply reform without any damage, and seemingly automatically at that. This applies to both blunt and sharp-force damage, as well as severed limbs and decapitation. It is unclear how much conscious control is required to transform one's body to negate attacks; while no Logia user has ever shown difficulty or the inability to bypass attacks, there have been instances both of forceful contact with a user's real body and of unwilling transformation into their element. While some Logia types grant elemental bodies that, though invulnerable and capable of seamless regeneration, are still solid or at least substantive, those Logias based on gaseous, plasmic, or energy-based elements are wholly "intangible" in practical terms (though their form may still potentially be disrupted by attacks). There are a few ways to negate the invulnerability granted by Logia abilities and successfully injure a transformed Logia user, including the standard Devil Fruit weaknesses to seawater and Seastone, which prevent the user from accessing their Devil Fruit abilities. All Logia fruits also have a weakness to Armament Haki, as they can be injured by an opponent using this Haki. Certain Logia fruits also have individual weaknesses, which reflect the element's natural vulnerabilities. Such instances include liquids such as water cancelling out sand, electrical insulators such as rubber cancelling out lightning, and magma cancelling out fire. In order to generate their substance, a Logia user must first transform part of their body into the substance, which then multiplies as they please; this differs from substance-generating Paramecia users, most of whom can generate substances directly from their physical body or even from thin air. As long as the reproducing substance is attached to the user's body, it is considered part of their body, though it appears that this is no longer the case once the user splits it off. If they encounter their substance in nature, a Logia user can merge with it, and the natural substance will become part of their body as well. The Yami Yami no Mi is a special Logia fruit unlike others. Its darkness transformation is not founded in a naturally-occurring element, but rather takes the form of a black smoke that most closely resembles the darkness of a black hole. The user cannot render themselves invulnerable to enemy attacks, as black holes absorb all things that approach it. Instead, the user has the ability to nullify other users' Devil Fruit powers, as they can simply absorb their enemy's abilities.
If you think Natsu is anything less than universe+ level then you are a new Mashima fan and don’t understand his scaling. Country, multi continental, moon, and even planetary metas are all completely disingenuous. Both Mashima’s series before and after FT are explicitly universal as well. In Rave Master Lucia was going to use the dimension destroying dark bring Endless to destroy the universe and in Edens Zero Chronobecca was producing 10^72 joules for the explicit purpose of destroying the universe. Zeref is just like his predecessor and successor as is Natsu. The highest you can wank Luffy doesn’t even approach the bare minimum of Natsu’s strength. You used a fan translation for Ultear. The official translation doesn’t say represent anywhere she literally does create the possibilities with her arc of time magic. Zeref is not above Acnologia he still can’t do anything to win except deleting all of history until before Acnologia got powerful in the first place. Having infinite magic doesn’t do anything against someone that gets stronger by absorbing magic the very first chapter should have taught you not to use an element against the corresponding type slayer wizard. Irene’s statement only implies Zeref surpassing Acnologia as a possibility not something that will be guaranteed to happen. The idea that Natsu wouldn’t scale to Fairy Heart Zeref is extremely disingenuous. Natsu with Dragon Force outright vaporized Zeref completely overcoming his durability. Zeref being able to reform himself with time hax doesn’t mean Natsu didn’t still get the feat of vaporizing him in the first place. Furthermore Natsu burned out the magic of Fairy Heart itself as well as burning the concept of time itself which is a textbook universe+ infinite 3D-4D attack potency feat. Natsu may have burned his own arm after overcoming literally infinite power but it’s no sweat cus he burned himself worse against Mercphobia and then by the time he fought Aldoron he’s able to endure the strength of that fire without burning himself. So Natsu in 100 Year Quest is unquestionably stronger than Fairy Heart Zeref.
Does anyone know who won? The Miss Fairy Tail Contest is a beauty contest among all the women of Fairy Tail. The winner of the contest gets a reward of 500,000 Jewel. Members of the guild, citizens of Magnolia and visitors from other towns gather at the Fairy Tail Guild building to see the show.
FT Immense Strength: Gods are known to be immensely powerful, to the point that one swing of Ikusa-Tsunagi's sword can create a massive crater within a sizeable expanse of landscape. Hexing: Some Gods are known to be able to inflict curses upon whomever they choose, with the Black Magic of Ankhseram being known to curse the ones who deliberately contort the balance between life and death. Immense Magic Power: True to their status, Gods carry supreme Magic Power, to the point that a screech from Chronos, the God of Time, can leave a humongous crater in the terrain; an example of the immense pressure let off from just releasing his aura.
His face can be seen on a wanted poster during Episodes 45, 48 and 66 of the anime,[3] as well as in Movie 9.[2] Shupeal remains to date, the only One Piece antagonist who could use "magic" in this context. All other powers in the actual One Piece storyline are the result of Devil Fruit powers, Haki or highly advanced science, such as the Clima-Tact. However, a member of the Worst Generation, Basil Hawkins is known as a "magician" and uses tarot cards to predict people's futures in a mystical fashion. Also, a member of his crew, Faust is also stated to be a magician, and in the Dressrosa Arc, the gladiator Mummy claimed to be a sorcerer, and used abilities that appeared as magic. It was never truly explained why he needed Balloon's magical blood or what purpose it would serve him. Unlike Gally, Shupeal is a prototype character whose appearance is exclusive to Romance Dawn, Version 2. Shupeal shares the same voice actor as Brook.
Despite the strength of this form, due to inexperience, it consumes plenty of energy for Luffy to maintain and use, even to the point that he can appear to have visibly aged decades once de-transformed in addition to experiencing extensive exhaustion and fatigue, although these effects will eventually wear off on their own after a while. In the anime, this is further emphasized with Luffy's colors becoming muted. That said, Luffy can fully restore his vitality and stamina right after using Gear 5 by eating excessive amounts of food. Also, unlike Paramecia awakenings, Zoan awakenings like Gear 5 carries the inherent risk of the innate nature of the animal that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is derived from, namely the "Sun God" Nika, consuming Luffy's mind. In addition, Luffy is still vulnerable to cutting attacks.
@TUCKALMIGHTY well, Luffy is a vessel, but even so, in terms of raw power, Natsu scales far far higher once you get to 100 year quest, it's like putting Ichigo or Goku against Luffy and saying it'd be close, Natsu really is just stronger, I liked the video but I very much disagree with the result, if Luffy barely beat Kaido, he wouldn't stand a chance to someone 100x stronger than Kaido in every way
Nevertheless, you didn't haven't seen the full capable of gear 5 ... Because when he fight kaido .. he is just awakening only but not master ... That's why the five elder are afraid of him now because of his awakening devil fruit ... It takes episode to see what truly capable of gear 5 Luffy has .
Bodies transformed by a Logia ability are completely invulnerable to most attacks, as when they are hit and thus blown out of shape, they will simply reform without any damage, and seemingly automatically at that.[11][12] This applies to both blunt and sharp-force damage, as well as severed limbs and decapitation.[13][14] It is unclear how much conscious control is required to transform one's body to negate attacks; while no Logia user has ever shown difficulty or the inability to bypass attacks, there have been instances both of forceful contact with a user's real body[15][16] and of unwilling transformation into their element.[17] While some Logia types grant elemental bodies that, though invulnerable and capable of seamless regeneration, are still solid[18][19] or at least substantive, those Logias based on gaseous, plasmic, or energy-based elements are wholly "intangible" in practical terms (though their form may still potentially be disrupted by attacks).[20]
onepiece Haki Trivia In principle, Haki is similar to common depictions across modern fantasy fiction-like manga and anime-of the ability to tap into, control, and channel one's vital and/or spiritual energy in combat. Such ability (or rather, the energy manipulated) is often referred to as ki (気) in Japanese, and qì/ch'i (氣/气) in Chinese, being inspired by the so-named concept rooted in Chinese philosophy, folk religion, Taoism, martial arts, and traditional medicine. The term "Haki" in particular contains the shinjitai kanji ki (気, simplified from the kyūjitai 氣). The correspondent Chinese term is 霸氣, read as Bàqì ("bah-chee"). Not only is Haki a Japanese term, "Haki" was also the name of a Scandinavian Sea-King (a name given to powerful pirates) in Norse mythology. According to Garp, Haki usage can actually be a hindrance when one is trying to train up one's physical strength. If one just relies on Haki to empower one's punches, for instance, they will not become inherently physically stronger. Despite Bartholomew Kuma losing his will due to the Pacifista conversion applied onto him, he is nevertheless able to manifest Haki, which is a manifestation of willpower. In the anime, certain animals have shown the capacity to learn how to use Haki (particularly Armament Haki). Specifically, this has been shown twice: Alpacacino, a member of the Neo Marines, was shown using Armament Haki to damage Luffy. The Kung-Fu Dugong captain of the Sea Animal Pirates, was seen using Haki.
Yall didnt cook. Luffy in gear 5 could put up a fight. But the second he runs outta stamina he is fucked. Also any of the fire attacks luffy uses will only help natsu win
Celestial Spirit arc is anime filler. It’s not in the manga (meaning filler) and it’s anime original (making it anime filler) As for SBT? Acno was too weak too absorb the SBT, and it was literally going to unalive him. To the point that he got split in half trying to contain it. SBT Acno is also the strongest character in the verse- so take all of that for what you will. If you believe Acno is above SBT fully? Then yes, he could potentially be 4D
When he ate it, the power was so strong that it literally ripped his soul in half. Splitting his physical and spiritual body, into two beings. Which could heavily imply that Acno < SBT.
By all means, interpret it however you want. I’m just saying that if Acno could control all of it? And was completely superior in power to the SBT. Then he probably wouldn’t have been ripped in half by trying to eat it.
first in the celestial spirit arc natsu merged 12 worlds into one, he ate the lacrima that aborbed a transcendental spacetime destruction magic, he burned infinit energy and no ultears feat does cout sheliterassy explaines it she creates different possible futures and each of the futures is a parallel universe that she creats and she shrinks it into the little orb thats how she explaines it and the debunk with her turningt back time is also cap becuase the spell she uses is working with her lifeforce and btw base natsu is human form selene level who transcemded elentir wich is a transcendental universe earthland is a 4D universe Elentir is a 5D uniberse and selene transcendet elentir what scales her to 6D and low to multiversal. and btw jellals heavenly body magic uses the force of the universe so toh arc natsu scales already tu uni Natsu>op verse (no hate)
Getting careless because you're a Logia type? You're just fire. My magma can even burn you! My powers are far superior to yours! ” - Akainu explaining how he was able to harm Ace
Gear 5 Luffy is stronger than Base Luffy. But the “exponential” increase just isn’t that large to be considered noticeable. Kaido’s drunk amp was still competing evenly with Gear 4 Luffy before Nika Luffy. Which by itself, was already an unquantifiable amp over Kaido’s regular hybrid form- which Base Luffy could already contend with. Showing a sort of middling stat increase between all the forms, at least IMO.
Fire Dragon Slayer Magic (炎の滅竜魔法 Honō no Metsuryū Mahō): Natsu is adept with his Dragon Slayer Magic and makes use of it in many different ways in combat.[61][62][63] As with all Dragon Slayers, he can consume his respective element, with the exception of that which he has created, to replenish his energy reserves. The heat of his fire can increase in temperature, which is proportional to Natsu's emotional state. Natsu subconsciously used this against Erigor; his flame's heat significantly rose as he got more enraged, referred to as Flame of Emotion.[64] Natsu’s natural body heat also makes him resistant to the cold, even within a snowy blizzard.[65] He incorporates the flames he ignites into his melee fighting style, greatly increasing the damage of his blows.[66] As such, Natsu's Magic revolves around the usage of fire that can spout from any part of his body.[67][68] Natsu's ability to eat any kind of fire gives him immunity to most types of flames, including explosions, even by Curse users[69] and allows him to spew fire from his lungs.[70] This fire is exceptionally strong - equivalent to a Dragon's fire - being able to burn even through metal.[71] The flames he makes cannot be extinguished by normal water.[72] He can even use his flames to create a propulsive effect.[73] The type of fire he uses can be changed, as it can be solidified to cling to surfaces like an appendage and control its shape,[74] this applies to any external flames, as any fire Natsu touches is also turn solid if he wishes.[75] By the year X792, after one year of training, Natsu has shown improved mastery over his Dragon Slayer Magic as he is now capable of taking out multiple opponents with just one attack, as shown when he challenged and effortlessly defeated the team of the newly announced No.1 guild in Fiore, Scarmiglione all while melting the arena with his heat,[76] manipulate the trajectory of his ranged attacks[77] and later was able to defeat Bluenote Stinger in one attack while burning his Black Hole spell after using his fire to raise the ground against his increased gravity.[78] Natsu’s body heat now makes him impervious to most sharp attacks such as spikes[79] and bladed weapons as they’ll just melt instantly upon contact.[80][81] Aldoron noted that remnants of the fires Natsu has utilised such as those of Igneel, Atlas Flame, and Ignia have all mixed within his own.
I'm going to ignore star level arguments for both sides. TLDR: Luffy has a number of advantages - precognition, speed, G5 hax, haki defenses and offenses which bypass enemy durability - but Luffy may not be capable of consistently using future sight while in G5, which means he may have to choose between foresight and G5 hax. Natsu's flames, although inconsistent (burned the concept of time, but cannot burn the Dragon God living as a concept of an Alchemist Guild, without forcing said concept into a physical form first), has been stated to burn souls and my burn Luffy's haki... and assuming Haki can be burned, Natsu would have the advantage in Stamina. Proceeding from there, even considering Rayleigh's statement that haki of pirates improves in battle, Luffy would find himself running near empty, quite quickly, forcing him to rely on G5, which, I think interferes with future sight. Luffy has his advantages, but with a generous perspective of on Natsu's flames and the possible interactions between his flames and haki, Natsu could make it a closer fight. ..... My take on this (be warned this is lengthy): 1) 13:45 Future Sight I don't understand why so many disregard this... its not like Narutoverses's Naruto/Sasuke sensing emotion/ reading muscle movements, or FT's Cobra hearing one's Soul to give him a hint of one's next action. Future Sight Users like Luffy can simply, with more consistency, see further into the future with greater detail than these characters. The best example For Luffy, was his training in Wano Prison, where he foresaw the reactions of Guards to Hyogoro's movements before Hyogoro even began moving (even better, It was Luffy who Instructed Hyogoro how to move to incite those specific reactions - chapter 939) Likely the simplest example was Katakuri's intro (ch.860), in which he removed a threat, and explained why there was a threat, including the discussion and the following actions he foresaw would happen. 2) 16:15 The French Translation of the Databook and the G2 speed boost. I don't see why this 10* multiplier is even reliant on the databook. The slight assumption that a Lucci's hybrid zoan form doubles his base speed is enough to get G2 to approximately a 10* multiplier (*2 is not exactly a dramatic boost, but I'd be interested in seeing counters why his hybrid form wouldn't manage even this). ch. 378 explained how, and was the only use of, Doriki measurements could be used to rank one's physical ability to use rokushiki (one of the OP World's martial arts) techniques, including Soru, the specific technique for fast movement. Base Luffy was roughly a match for Blueno who was measured at 820 Doriki, rendered Blueno unconscious easily in G2, and was later shown matching Hybrid form Lucci using G2. Again, assuming that hybrid doubles Lucci's performance, resulting in a doriki of 8000, Luffy's G2 would essentially allow him to jump from an estimated Doriki measurement below 820 to 8000. There is no need for the Databook. Primary canon from the manga alone supports the 10*boost of G2. And yes, I believe Luffy is faster. 3) There are far too many instances of G5 Luffy negating the threat of energy attacks - Kaido's Boro Breath twice (1st utilizing awakening to transform the ground to bounce back the beam, and then later being burned and then in a toon fashion reverting to a pre-burned state), the exploding projectiles launched by Saturn (chewing on a holographic tree to shape it to a bat, then materializing a paint can, a brush, and a batters helmet, before painting the bat and knocking those projectiles away) and the beams sent by Kizaru were initially 'swallowed' by Luffy, before they were expelled via his eyes, nose, and mouth (ch.1093). Bonus points for Luffy for using lightning generated by Kaido to swing through the sky. 4 i) 18:45 - not quite ... The Road to laugh Tale Databook confirms that G5 allows Luffy to continuously grow stronger as long as he keeps laughing, i.e., whatever advantage Natsu has physically, will not be a problem for long, if G5 is allowed to be used throughout the fight. 4ii) Unfortunately for Luffy, this features seems to counteract the necessary requirements for Future Sight - my understanding is that it prevents him from focusing his obs. haki, and is why Kaido and others can catch him with their energy attacks more often than not - simply put, as he gets stronger he is more likely to get hit, providing Natsu with more opportunities to hit him. 5) 32:20 Natsu may have been shown a number of times to be capable of burning concepts (time?) or other things with no physical presence (his own soul for instance) - momentarily disregarding the fact that the FT 100YQ Narrative (ch.137/138) clearly explained that steps must be taken to reverse Vierne the Gold Dragon's transformation into the actual concept of an Alchemists' Guild (And people think OP is strange....) before any wizard can effectively combat him - it is not impossible that Natsu can burn Willpower, the very source of Haki, thereby negating Luffy's damage/range boosting for his attacks and preventing Luffy from dealing internal damage by possibly simply releasing his flames in an aura around himself 6) If it was stated in Original Canon, it wasn't clear to me before, but FT 100YQ clarified for me that Natsu's flames can mimic the properties of Flames he previously devoured (I initially thought that once he used them, they were no longer accessible, unless devoured again) . Giving Natsu access to unique flame that Luffy has not experienced and may have no answer for, if Natsu uses them while burning Luffy's haki away, in a similar fashion to how he "burned his soul". -- this is assuming that the "fires of hell" statement from Atlas Flame, wasn't just nonsense. (chapter only stated that his fire resembled Igneel's, Atlas Flame's and Ignia's, but the possibility is there that Natsu has access to other previously devoured flames) 7) Stamina - This is a BIIIIG IF, and yes some might see that there is a pattern forming in which assumptions are being built on assumptions for Natsu's case, but these assumptions aren't completely without foundation - If Natsu can burn away haki, then he has a route to rapidly drain Luffy's stamina. Luffy wouldn't be rendered immobile like in Dressrossa Arc, because Oda clarified that Luffy could have just ran, but that would have only further drained his stamina, but it would drastically lower Luffy's defenses if he had little haki to use, while costing Natsu comparably little power in return.... Although this risk is mitigated by the fact that, by the nature of the haki power system itself, which Rayleigh stated in flashback to bloom in combat, i.e., haki users get more powerful as a serious fight progresses (which is why Luffy learned and developed his future sight so quickly against Katakuri), Luffy's haki may get more powerful in response to being burned. This could be a close fight
@@marqusmedina5983 ... it was just that Natsu's track record with burning things with no physical presence has been inconsistent to say the least. I brought it up earlier, with Natsu apparently burning the concept of time in the original series, but in 100 years quest, steps had to be taken to trap the Gold Dragon, at the time existing as the concept of an Alchemist Guild, into a physical form before ANYONE can combat it. Did Natsu just lose his power here? Did Mashima forget? Was that ability, used against Zeref in the original series, plot convenience that Mishima didn't want to reuse? Natsu has been shown to just cover himself in his own flames. The idea was that if we ignore the moments when Natsu's physical attacks and flames can't damage non-physical targets, like the Gold Dragon, and also including the moment with the ghost dragon slayer before Natsu's soul was conveniently out of his body (FT, 100YQ ch.35), it is conceivable, that his flames could burn haki due to that one instance of Natsu burning time - And this was the last point I considered, that it would be a way for Natsu to quickly drain Luffy's stamina. Note: I have seen people with different interpretations of Natsu vs Zeref, in which Natsu never burned time, but simply burnt the magic manipulating time. I was just being generous to Natsu.
@epimetheussolomon9718 for me it's more natsu's more insane burning feats have all been restricted to magic (All magic in fairy tail is composed of ethernano and spiritual energy as stated by Makarov) Against non magic his track record is 50/50 as he could burn curses but couldn't do anything against Spirit arts
FT Immense Strength: Gods are known to be immensely powerful, to the point that one swing of Ikusa-Tsunagi's sword can create a massive crater within a sizeable expanse of landscape. Ikusa-Tsunagi (イクサツナギ Ikusatsunagi) is one of the Yakuma Eighteen Battle Gods Magic passed down through the now-extinct Yakuma clan that summons one of the 18 Battle Gods, Ikusa-Tsunagi.[To cast this Magic, the user must form the contract with the Battle God. Once formed, the user calls out their name to appear.[ The Magic then brings forth Ikusa-Tsunagi, a colossal, heavily muscular being with black, armor-like skin; his face resembles that of a lion's, jutting out of which (specifically from his cheekbones) two horns that resemble Mirajane's horns from her Sitri Satan Soul, which in and of themselves are eclipsed by bone-like horns that encase the jawline, and travel up the side of the head, of Ikusa-Tsunagi. On his chin is a long, pointed tuft of facial hair that appears to be a goatee, and a wild mane of hair juts upwards, growing from the top of his down past his clavicle. The Battle God also has pupil-less eyes and black sclera, and demonic, clawed hands and bestial-looking feet. Ikusa-Tsunagi possesses immeasurable amounts of strength, being able to carry around a sword roughly the size of himself and swing it so hard that it tears the ground apart for apparent kilometers in distance. The Battle God attacks and moves at the behest of summoner, being that they are fully controlled by the caster. However with enough force to the head area the Battle God can be destroyed.
Aldoron: The largest of Dragon Gods who "commands life", possessing the ability to read the minds of others[2] and absorb the nutrients from the living.[10] Known as the "Wood Dragon God", his size is unrivaled to the point that the largest city of Guiltina rests in the palms of his hands.[11] His powers are connected to five orbs that are represented by five guardian deities known as God Seeds that act as protection to Aldoron once awaken, given he was healing from a battle with Acnologia that spawned centuries ago
As someone who loved long ring long lang, does that mean that foxy, or someone more powerful, can increase his range all to cover the earth/increase the time of his slow slow beam
While AP (the potency of an attack) and DC (the destructive range of an attack) don't always correlate. In the context of One Piece in particular. Giving someone like Whitebeard Foxy's fruit- would in all likely hood? Give him planet wide range on his slow slow beams. And at bare minimum, should at least be able to slow entire Islands or countries (off of seeing Kaido just casually carry an entire island through the sky for half the Wano arc) Hope that helps!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Other than zoans devil fruits don't seem to accurately scale with character base power like this. It seems to be much more focused on their skill and creativity with the fruit, and that's how there are fruits that act as straight upgrades of other ones exist.
Those with Logia powers can physically transform into a particular element of nature, on top of creating that element from their body in nigh-endless quantities, to control as they please.[5][2][6] The transformative aspect of Logias serves to distinguish them from other Devil Fruit types, particularly Paramecia abilities that allow for the generation of substances: such Paramecias only allow one to create-not become-one's respective substance,[7][8][9] barring one known exception denoted as "special" for its kind.[10] All canon Logia powers pertain to elements that are raw and naturally occurring, while behaving as they would in nature (whereas substance-creating Paramecias involve man-made materials that sometimes exhibit unnatural, esoteric properties). Logia elements may come in all major states of matter, including solids, liquids, gases and plasmas, as well as energy.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYNot even. Natsu being at all relative to Acnologia puts him massively above Luffy. Also Natsu literally has Luffys hard counter as his base abilities
@@_Budlightyear_ immune to lightning. Highly resistant to blunt force. Has 2 different counters to fire. Has 2 different counters for super tough scales. It really is only high ballers who argue natsu wins without a fight
haven't seen the full video yet , but I'm guessing luffy losing again but i like the impressive editing, your videos are visually impressive more now than ever
The one piece world just logically is larger than ours. Giants and massive sea serpents a rather common, even base humans can be much larger than they are in our world. I think just rationally, for a world to have these giant things, the world is likely larger than ours
While flour negates Gasparde's powers, he also apparently has not completely mastered the power of his Devil Fruit, such as when Luffy injured Gasparde's face after catching him offguard for stabbing his hat, or when Luffy threw a mast of the Salamander through his back, he claimed that it hurt.
I’d be happy to cover Kakashi Vs Gojo once there’s a little more interest around the topic! If you’re curious about my thoughts on Gojo though, we have a full video on Gojo Vs Makima in the same style! th-cam.com/video/ia36GxdXLc8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yUv_XFGrfsfPugvt
I think Natsu wins for now, but Luffy should definitely be able to win by the time One Piece ends. Outside of just having stronger villains to take down in the future, we've also seen more advanced applications of Haki than he currently has that he'll more than likely gain to take down said villains. I always find discussing matchups where one characters story is over while the others isn't to be a lot less engaging because there's always "room for growth" arguments and a great deal of uncertainty around abilities that have yet to be fully explained in universe that could completely upheave how the matchup goes. Or they can just get some random tool that negates everything the other person has and the matchup becomes infinitely less fun to discuss. This one is still kind of fun though. I'll wait for One Piece to end before giving it any focused thoughts.
I appreciate the amazing editing in the video but the results are not something to be satisfied wit as much as i truly love luffy n one piece in general ik natsu would fold luffy maybe not one shottin him but ik he would it hurts to say it honestly cz i love luffy but gotta see it from a realistic perspective
@@TUCKALMIGHTYstop scaling when there is no scaling talk about the stats and the powers that's pretty much about it you don't have to do this extra crap there is no multi Continental what the hell is that even mean
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwhat are you talking about lacking feats so you can say the same thing about bleaching Naruto so yes I'll try to be biased trying to downplay one piece I'm so sick and tired of power scalers trying to use that as an argument that's not a valid criticism
@@TUCKALMIGHTYhow is any of the one piece statements are nonsense but you never use them in order to have Luffy win your argument is never make sense please stop and make it make sense please
Dragons have a number of Magic and abilities, while all of them share many similar traits such as manipulating their element, and enhanced breath and claws. Though the element in question varies from Dragon to Dragon, depending on the breed as well as resilience to their elements.[11] A Dragon's element is said to be far stronger than natural ones and those produced by Mages.[12] Resilient Scales: Dragons are extremely powerful creatures, so powerful, in fact, that a form of Magic had to be created to combat them; their scales are so strong that, aside from Dragon Slayer Magic,[13] no other form of Magic can pierce through them.[14] This conceived notion does not, however, apply to Acnologia, who was unaffected by both regular and Dragon Slayer Magic.[15] As durable as they are, Dragons can still be hurt and pushed back by powerful physical blunt forces.[16] Dragons can also be wounded by their fellow Dragons.[17] Dragon scales vary between Dragon breeds, some happen to be made of their element such as iron,[18] earth[19] or diamond etc.[20] Lung Capacity: Dragons possess lungs that allow them to inhale a large quantity of air to spew out their signature elemental breath. These lungs allow Dragons to consume their signature element from a distance.[11][21] Claws: Dragon claws are capable of delivering a powerful scratch onto a target. Dragons who control an element (specifically an intangible one such as fire) can touch and envelope said element in their palms.[11] Fanged Jaw: Dragons possess large sharp teeth and strong jaws, capable of delivering devastating bites[22] as well as chew through durable solids, especially in relation to their element.[23] Enhanced Senses: Dragons in general are known for having impressive senses such as sight, smell, and hearing.[24] Intelligence: Dragons are extremely intelligent; they are able to speak the language of humans and can thus impart upon them their knowledge, as well as communicate with them. Some, however, do not seem to be happy with making contact with humans, who they consider to be inferior, and ignore altogether.[25] Some Dragons even think of humans as one of their food sources.[17] Enchant Magic: Dragons also all possess the basic ability to perform Enchantments, which they do to bestow Dragon Slayer Magic upon humans.[26] Dragon Soul Technique: Dragons are capable of concealing their severed souls into the body of a Human. However, the host must possess the same Dragon Slayer element as the Dragon entering them for compatibility lest they be stuck within indefinitely. This ability allows the Dragons inside to produce antibodies to lessen the risks of the Slayer undergoing complete Dragonization.[9][27] Transformation Magic: Dragons possess the ability to transform their appearances to an extent, although the Five Dragon Gods are able to fully exploit Magic to form human appearances at will.[28] Regeneration: Dragons have an impressive self healing ability, should their bodies be damaged even fatally, their wounds can heal in a matter of time.[29] However, wounds inflicted by other Dragons can never be healed, thus ensuring their demise.[30] This can be avoided through the use of a Wound Enchantment which transfers the damages to another body.[31] Longevity: Dragons have an incredibly long lifespan, capable of naturally living for over 400 years.[32] Immense Strength: Dragons possess an enormous amount of physical strength, being easily capable of reducing a large sized area to rubble by simply landing on it.[33] Being strong enough to push back and overpower Giant sized humanoids[34][35] Even a portion of a Dragon's strength is proven to be too much for multiple S-Class Mages to handle.[36] Flight: All known Dragons possess the ability of flying through the use of their wings.[37]
Dragons have a number of Magic and abilities, while all of them share many similar traits such as manipulating their element, and enhanced breath and claws. Though the element in question varies from Dragon to Dragon, depending on the breed as well as resilience to their elements. A Dragon's element is said to be far stronger than natural ones and those produced by Mages. Resilient Scales: Dragons are extremely powerful creatures, so powerful, in fact, that a form of Magic had to be created to combat them; their scales are so strong that, aside from Dragon Slayer Magic, no other form of Magic can pierce through them. This conceived notion does not, however, apply to Acnologia, who was unaffected by both regular and Dragon Slayer Magic. As durable as they are, Dragons can still be hurt and pushed back by powerful physical blunt forces. Dragons can also be wounded by their fellow Dragons. Dragon scales vary between Dragon breeds, some happen to be made of their element such as iron, earth or diamond etc. Regeneration: Dragons have an impressive self healing ability, should their bodies be damaged even fatally, their wounds can heal in a matter of time. However, wounds inflicted by other Dragons can never be healed, thus ensuring their demise. This can be avoided through the use of a Wound Enchantment which transfers the damages to another body.
Natsu is stronger than Luffy, enough fire heat is stronger than Kaido's transformation, which burned Luffy's hand with the Fifth Gear. For Natsu, this heat is nothing.
but then after a few seconds his toonforce kicked in and the fire didnt afect him, so natsu fire useless in this scenario. His Ap is useless aswell because Luffy negates all types of matter with his imagination hax
@@24heavy69 Gear 5 was created during the climax of the Raid on Onigashima, as a result of Luffy awakening his Devil Fruit for the first time since the Void Century. After awakening, Luffy gains increased phyiscal power and even greater freedom while demonstrating many new abilities, such as being able to freely manipulate the shape and size of his body; instead of focusing more on hardening himself using Armament Haki, he takes on a more cartoonish fighting style, as well as being able to grant the environment around him the same properties as rubber, which allowed him to deflect a Bolo Breath by bouncing it back at Kaidou, as well as being able to stretch objects he touches like rubber, including living things and even lightning. As pointed out by Kaidou, Luffy's power now has the characteristics of both Paramecia and Zoan.
@@24heavy69 Despite the strength of this form, due to inexperience, it consumes plenty of energy for Luffy to maintain and use, even to the point that he can appear to have visibly aged decades once de-transformed in addition to experiencing extensive exhaustion and fatigue, although these effects will eventually wear off on their own after a while. In the anime, this is further emphasized with Luffy's colors becoming muted. That said, Luffy can fully restore his vitality and stamina right after using Gear 5 by eating excessive amounts of food. Also, unlike Paramecia awakenings, Zoan awakenings like Gear 5 carries the inherent risk of the innate nature of the animal that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is derived from, namely the "Sun God" Nika, consuming Luffy's mind. In addition, Luffy is still vulnerable to cutting attacks.
Although his personality as a whole is unknown, Joy Boy had foresight and cared about his friends, as he left a concentration of his Supreme King Haki to Emet in order to help him in the future after his own death.[
Immense Strength: Gods are known to be immensely powerful, to the point that one swing of Ikusa-Tsunagi's sword can create a massive crater within a sizeable expanse of landscape. fairy-tail-chapter-433
Don chinjao didn't split the ice continent but cause a small rift within it, and the ice continent isn't even country sized. It's like saying "well vatican is a country and russia is one too so if someone could destroy the vatican that someone could automatically destroy russia" or some shit like that. Something can have a title, but until that title isn't actually confirmed, then it doesn't account as a feat. And natsu fodderizes luffy + verse btw not even close
Are you the guy who actually got the calc approved for Vs Wiki? It’s awesome to see you in the comments, hope you enjoyed the video. Anyways though. I just wanted to say, that I didn’t see anything wrong with the math presented in the calc. And that I actually really appreciate the work behind it. The only disagree with it’s usage, is because I find it pretty inconsistent with most other feats in the series. Making it seem like an extreme outlier to me? Which is honestly a problem of almost all pixel calcs. Especially creation ones. So don’t take it personally. There’s no hate towards you from me. Just a comment about how I find creation feats in general silly to scale.
Super cool to see you here then. FT scaling has changed a lot with your scales for them! But yeah, I only really see a lack of consistency with Large Planetary for two reasons. 1.) No upscaling in universe, since nobody has ever surpassed Acnologia (yet) 2.) No other feats/statements to back up the pixel calc. Everything else within FT is vaguely in the Multi-continental range for feats? With statements about “destroying the world” being reserved for Zeref, Acno, & other top tiers. So the idea of the whole cast just sort of surpassing all that by leaps & bounds off screen. Without any in universe explanation above these aforementioned Multi-Continental to Planetary statements & feats (as Dragon Gods = Base Acno) It just never really sat right with me.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYhow though when 1 direct statement dragon gods scale to Acnologia and that's author intended since why would you bring in supposedly weaker big fight opponents 2 ever realized how Selene casually enlarges the moon and her raw power no spells and hax were affecting multiple planets from alternate dimensions so your logic don't add up 3. Again Selene herself said she toyed with multiple worlds before not just the residents entire planets and not all planets had magic problem like elentear and each dragon god scales to her even Ignia is proven superior so you just sound biased downolay at this point
Luffy/Natsu Natsu Enhanced Smell: Natsu has a very keen sense of smell. Natsu could easily distinguish Kaby as a poor man, rather than a rich one, from his smell, even though he was temporarily living in his friend's expensive house to appear otherwise. Natsu could also, as a result of their prior encounter, track Ultear via scent, despite the large distance between them. When searching for Erza and Mirajane, Natsu could sense drug used to knock them out among the strong odor of herbs. By burning away the herbs he was able to easily track their location to Tartaros’ HQ which was supposed to be impossible to find. His sense of smell is able to detect those who are related to each other, noticing that Silver had a similar scent to his son Gray. Enhanced Hearing: Natsu, according to himself, possesses exceptionally good hearing, something which, during the Grand Magic Games, was proven true. During Lucy Heartfilia's fight with Flare Corona, the latter was threatening Asuka Connell with the help of her hair. Natsu was seemingly the only one who could hear their low conversation, and thus reacted accordingly by protecting the girl from the threat, allowing Lucy to continue fighting. Natsu was also hear Cobra arriving in the outskirts of city even while high in the air. In X792, Natsu’s hearing has increased tremendously that he could hear someone being robbed far away from the town he was present in and accurately strike each thief with his fire breath. He has also proven himself to be able to hear the voices of the Alvarez soldiers searching for a spy from way out at sea. Enhanced Sight: Natsu's possesses great eyesight, having been capable of seeing Yukino from afar before his companions can notice where she is. Natsu’s eyesight also gives a great sense of firing accuracy, capable of striking several flying targets from a distance as they attempt to fly away. Luffy Observation Haki (見聞色の覇気, Kenbunshoku no Haki?), which gives the user a sixth sense of the world around them, allowing them to sense the presence, strength, and emotions of other people, even if they are out of sight or far away. It also grants limited precognitive abilities, allowing the user to sense their opponents' intentions and predict their actions and attacks before they happen. An advanced level of Observation Haki allows the user to actually foresee a short period into the future.
Immense Durability: Natsu has proven himself to be incredibly durable. He has managed to take continual, deadly assaults from foes and continue fighting. Such impressive resistance was first shown during his battle with Erigor, in which he received wounds from his opponent's strong, sharp wind, and kept fighting on, nonetheless. During his time in Edolas, Natsu fights Faust's mechanical Dragon, where he took powerful hits and continued to fight. A true testament to his durability was shown when he blocked one of Sting Eucliffe's strongest attacks, Holy Nova, with a single hand, and emerged completely unscathed from the enormous explosion that followed the impact. Soon after he took on a powerful breath attack from Sting using Dragon Force that destroyed the arena around Natsu.
Fire Dragon Slayer Magic (炎の滅竜魔法 Honō no Metsuryū Mahō): Natsu is adept with his Dragon Slayer Magic and makes use of it in many different ways in combat. As with all Dragon Slayers, he can consume his respective element, with the exception of that which he has created, to replenish his energy reserves. The heat of his fire can increase in temperature, which is proportional to Natsu's emotional state. Natsu subconsciously used this against Erigor; his flame's heat significantly rose as he got more enraged, referred to as Flame of Emotion. Natsu’s natural body heat also makes him resistant to the cold, even within a snowy blizzard. He incorporates the flames he ignites into his melee fighting style, greatly increasing the damage of his blows. As such, Natsu's Magic revolves around the usage of fire that can spout from any part of his body. Natsu's ability to eat any kind of fire gives him immunity to most types of flames, including explosions, even by Curse users and allows him to spew fire from his lungs. This fire is exceptionally strong - equivalent to a Dragon's fire - being able to burn even through metal. The flames he makes cannot be extinguished by normal water. He can even use his flames to create a propulsive effect. The type of fire he uses can be changed, as it can be solidified to cling to surfaces like an appendage and control its shape, this applies to any external flames, as any fire Natsu touches is also turn solid if he wishes. By the year X792, after one year of training, Natsu has shown improved mastery over his Dragon Slayer Magic as he is now capable of taking out multiple opponents with just one attack, as shown when he challenged and effortlessly defeated the team of the newly announced No.1 guild in Fiore, Scarmiglione all while melting the arena with his heat, manipulate the trajectory of his ranged attacks and later was able to defeat Bluenote Stinger in one attack while burning his Black Hole spell after using his fire to raise the ground against his increased gravity. Natsu’s body heat now makes him impervious to most sharp attacks such as spikes and bladed weapons as they’ll just melt instantly upon contact. Aldoron noted that remnants of the fires Natsu has utilised such as those of Igneel, Atlas Flame, and Ignia have all mixed within his own.
History Magicians have existed as long as people have been alive. In the past, far more Magicians became pirates and there was even a Magicians Council at one point in history when Magicians were more prevalent. In the present time, the number of Magicians has dwindled and the Magicians Council is long since gone. Trivia Old Marine War Logbooks state that Magic Mell from the Panic Pirates was able to perform remote suffocation on large groups of people. It is unconfirmed though if this was the work of magic or a Devil Fruit.
@@marqusmedina5983Why is that a good argument? Natsu has burned concepts at his strongest and at his weakest, his flames in base form reach 200 million degrees celsius scaling higher than Wall's magnetic confinement fusion. Who in OP has heat of that level?
@@Noah-fg6km scaling natsu to walht magnetic confinement never really made sense but my point was natsu having fire hot enough to kill Luffy doesn't mean he wins. Kaido tried that and still lost
@@marqusmedina5983 Wdym? Why you using Kaido as a substitute to the argument for Natsu. Kaido doesn't have nearly the firepower to compete with Natsu's. Therefore it's a no limits fallacy argument
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwhen was there even solid soul hax in OP at best you got is brook and big mom and those aren't even relevant and those hax scales to nothing so resistance is irrelevant aside from soul hax what do OP got against fire leagues hotter than 200million degrees that burns concept of time I'm waiting
how did kaido and oden die? i believe both had haki... is haki never ending? I believe Natsu's flames r way hotter thn anything we've seen in OP but also putting aside natsu's superior AP...I believe he have a more solid AOE DC which can literally negate all the speed feats luffy have..a large AOE attack shld negate OB Haki too...@@TUCKALMIGHTY
I don’t know if I’d say he one taps everyone else, considering the spriggans varied quite a lot in power as a group. But I’d say he could give August or Irene a good fight in base for sure.
@TUCKALMIGHTY hmm which one gives him a problem? Ajeel ,jacob,wahl and invel , neinhart gets Purgatory fisted Brandish would be a problem VIA hax but natsu would burn her away Bloodman gets turned to ashes God Serna I mean he definitely get 1 shotted he's stronger in the 100Y and lost to jellal Natsu>jellal Dimera definitely not a prob she scared of natsu Irene and August the only ones I see that could give natsu a problem Natsu would have to Go DF Atleast But yea . Luffy can beat anyone in the 12 that's haxed out
@@kzglo9403 don't bother with him he's biased Natsu literally fodderized an amped Neinheart whom Brandish was scared of and went and traumatized Dimaria and was clashing evenly with Zeref who in base should be stronger than all spriggan 100yq Natsu is way stronger at best Irene and August would make him go lightning or king mode heck his base form should be enough
@@4nero_Dem0n1cwith dimaria it was with his END power which is still contentious as to whether it scales to his dragon cry feats. If it does natsu wins
Gear 5 was created during the climax of the Raid on Onigashima, as a result of Luffy awakening his Devil Fruit for the first time since the Void Century.[125] After awakening, Luffy gains increased phyiscal power and even greater freedom while demonstrating many new abilities, such as being able to freely manipulate the shape and size of his body; instead of focusing more on hardening himself using Armament Haki, he takes on a more cartoonish fighting style, as well as being able to grant the environment around him the same properties as rubber, which allowed him to deflect a Bolo Breath by bouncing it back at Kaidou, as well as being able to stretch objects he touches like rubber, including living things and even lightning. As pointed out by Kaidou, Luffy's power now has the characteristics of both Paramecia and Zoan.[
Despite the strength of this form, due to inexperience, it consumes plenty of energy for Luffy to maintain and use, even to the point that he can appear to have visibly aged decades once de-transformed in addition to experiencing extensive exhaustion and fatigue, although these effects will eventually wear off on their own after a while. In the anime, this is further emphasized with Luffy's colors becoming muted. That said, Luffy can fully restore his vitality and stamina right after using Gear 5 by eating excessive amounts of food. Also, unlike Paramecia awakenings, Zoan awakenings like Gear 5 carries the inherent risk of the innate nature of the animal that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is derived from, namely the "Sun God" Nika, consuming Luffy's mind. In addition, Luffy is still vulnerable to cutting attacks. Gear 5's concept took inspiration from rubber hose animation and cartoon physics. In particular, Oda drew inspiration from the cartoon Tom and Jerry. Oda himself wanted to draw something funny, and also wanted Luffy's fights to regain some funny elements, even though he was aware the general audience of One Piece would not like this concept because the general action sequences of contemporary Shonen manga are taken too seriously, causing the genre's uniqueness in the past to be lost over time. With the introduction of Gear 5, Oda wanted to create a polarity between Luffy's cartoonish humor and Kaidou's deadly seriousness. These cartoonish effects also include other characters' eyes popping out of their heads. Gear 5 was first hinted at in SBS Volume 98, when a fan asked if it was coming, and Oda responded by surreptitiously noting that the world was in the process of transitioning to 5G broadband networks.
My bet is that Natsu has vastly superior AP to the point he should one shot Luffy, I mean you could argue Natsu has infinite AP. However Luffy's superior speed scaling and future sight would turn Natsu into a living punching bag. I just don't see Natsu tagging current Luffy without massively lowballing Luffy's consistent FTL+ scaling, or highbally FT's messy speed scaling if that's even plaussible.
Pretty much my thoughts on the matchup! Very close, Natsu just lacks the tools to compensate for the few Hax Luffy actually has IMO. Great comment all around.
Have you considered Natsu's durability tanking attacks from planetary dragon gods and Natsu's speed can keep up though he has been light speed since tartaros Can he easily tag Luffy definitely not but his attacks are AOE and I don't see Luffy tanking the heat hotter than anything One piece can imagine and the passive heat reaches quite far Strong mages barely resist via magic power so Luffy takes damage regardless of speed and precog So if Natsu gets pissed which he would thanks to Luffy he'd just raises the heat even further go Purgatory flame an attack that instantly covers a large city and can destroy dragon gods Luffy ain't surviving that
@@4nero_Dem0n1cLuffy has blocked island sized fire and nastu doesn't spam AOE as much as people think. At the time this video was made I agree but in the new chapters nastu blocked a full power dragon god so he's too strong now
@@marqusmedina5983 Luffy has blocked island sized fire not dodge Luffy can't travel a large city distance in an instant and Natsu's fire is 200million+ degrees in base his hottest burns time his destruction fist already covers a whole city and purgatory flame covered a larger radius and destroyed a good portion of Aldoron who's body is country size heck Luffy touching Natsu is fatal metal melts in contact with his skin in an instant and the heat increase to ridiculous levels through transformations his heat also depends on emotions like getting pissed A Luffy who's obviously faster and hard to hit would easily make Natsu explosive in rage since even his guild mates pissed him so bad he almost killed Max And since the earliest episode even a casual iron dragon fist destroyed a good portion of a port then a mountain a casual roar covered a mountain sized range and body heat vaped a few kilometer wide lake as I said most of his attacks are default AOE and all mentioned were done casually and Natsu isn't dumb Cobra mentioned Natsu having several strategies to counter against precog So he'd easily utilize his good range and heat Based on fighting a nerfed Aldoron and tanking attacks from full power Aldoron and fighting Suzaku Natsu is easily 1/4-/3 level of dragon gods you know like Selene who can casually enlarge the moon on a whim and affect several planets dimensions apart just by raw power no hax or spells and Natsu scales to that at the very least slightly
@@4nero_Dem0n1c Luffy being able to block large fire (which natsu doesn't spam and can't do to his limited magic) takes care of that. Luffy literally spent an entire arc learning to destroy kaido's organs without touching them non issue. Cobra reads minds he doesn't see the future and despite this he gave ERZA a hard time and would've killed natsu if not for brain. Note that I'm saying I agree with the video AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE. Current natsu block viernes(who seemingly wasn't nerfed like aldoron and mercphobia) in Base. Unless next chapter reveals viernes was weakened current natsu is too strong for Luffy's speed and hax to bridge the gap
in one piece fire is a big factor(kaido,sabo,akainu) or heat anything...not saying that haki is baseline useless but if we do the right scalings...I do certainly believe natsu's flames to be way way way hotter thn any flames or magmas or heat sourcce shown in one piece... and haki cant protect it forever...as we know how oden and kaido died..
@@marqusmedina5983 oden was shot..but did his haki have immunity to the boiling oil?..wasnt he like at the edge.. kaido died in lava..if ure a one piece fan u knw kaido cant drown.. and I'm sure natsu's flames are hotter thn lava...
@@marqusmedina5983 if u want i can debate... flames hot enough to burn time and space.. flames hot enough to get through black hole... he have access to urgatory flames and FOE.. he was melting steel instantly to molten lava just in ep2.. he can burn intangible things..
@@weird_perspective68 There is no flame which would burn time and space, mostly because time and space don't have boiling point, it's magicall aspect which allows burning other magic which manipulates time, Luffy doesn't use space or time manipulation, so it's kinda useless against him. Melting steel is level of relaxed Akainu who wanted to finish off Luffy and that magma was tanked by lots of people. However Akainu's magma was hot enough to permanently change climate, that amount of heat energy to completely disturb climate Natsu's flames never could show.
@@manlight5035i wouldnt say his lava was hot enough to change the climate. Doesn't an awakened fruit just allow you to change the surroundings? Is aokijis ice 'cold enough' to change climate? How does that work? Ace destroyed his ice, his fire is way cooler than akainus magma, but aokijis ice was right up against akainus magma. I dont think the temperature caused the change, but instead the ability
Gear 5 was created during the climax of the Raid on Onigashima, as a result of Luffy awakening his Devil Fruit for the first time since the Void Century.[125] After awakening, Luffy gains increased strength and even greater freedom while demonstrating many new abilities, such as being able to freely manipulate the shape and size of his body; instead of focusing more on hardening himself using Armament Haki, he takes on a more cartoonish fighting style, as well as being able to grant the environment around him the same properties as rubber, which allowed him to deflect a Bolo Breath by bouncing it back at Kaidou, as well as being able to stretch objects he touches like rubber, including living things and even lightning. As pointed out by Kaidou, Luffy's power now has the characteristics of both Paramecia and Zoan.
Although his personality as a whole is unknown, Joy Boy had foresight and cared about his friends, as he left a concentration of his Supreme King Haki to Emet in order to help him in the future after his own death. Joy Boy ate the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika, a Mythical Zoan-type Devil Fruit that allowed him to become an incarnation of the ever-playful sun god, Nika. It gave him a body with the properties of rubber, giving him the freedom to fight however he wanted. Joy Boy appears to have "awakened" his ability while maintaining his personality, as indicated by the ribbon of flaming smoke around his shoulders and torso when he is transformed.
Please, never scal natsu again. There are literally tons of other feats you didn't mention and some of your fears are literally contradicted many times 😭
Luffy Bajrang Gun's is filled with air, it's not a solid mass of rubber. When you account for this the small planet level feat turn into a 523.9 megatons of TNT to 327.43 gigatons of TNT feat. (Gt If I use 1⁄25 second like the VSBW calc' )
Little late but all the anime filler arcs are canon per mashima and are all referenced in manga canon arcs Natsu wins
I don't know anything about fairy tail but I'm pretty sure Natsu beats Luffy
Exactly
Someone explain how? I caught up with One Piece but haven't watched Fairy Tail yet
Read the entire manga and even 100 year quest. Natsu wins for numerous reasons.
-Better Attack Power
.-Better Speed
-More Buffs
-Greater Stamina
-Senses counter Luffy's FS
-Better tactician
Your comment on Base Natsu being relative only to Spriggans is highly outdated... That was true up until the Dogramag Labyrinth Arc, where Base Natsu was able to hang with Base Suzaku, who scales relative to Human Selene's casual moon enlargement and then in Gold Owl, where Base Natsu is easily dealing with far greater than Dark Dragon Slayer Knights characters. I know you consider Selene's casual moon enlargement shaky and stupid, but even without "fan calcing" as you call my work, it's clear to see the moon is far bigger than before and therefore Selene's magical power has the ability to create a planet sized moon, which should have a level of Attack Potency far above Luffy. Luffy's best feats reach Small Planetary and just doesn't come near to Selene's feat and at the end of the day... Base Natsu alone can just take out Luffy with one Fire Dragon's Iron Fist with minimal difficulty. Also Natsu does scale to Fairy Heart Zeref with his best form, but he don't need that. Your understanding of Fairy Tail Scaling also seems flawed as well... With the claim that Aldoron is weaker than the other Dragon Gods in general, when that's explicitly not true
You claim that that sciency fan calc stuff is stupid... But the literal only way to scale 2 characters with any type of consistency is with calcs... As there's no other bar to scale two people from completely separate series
My thoughts on Base Natsu are definitely a little contentious. Since like I mentioned towards the end, he did get stronger following his fight with Aldoron.
However the manga makes it pretty clear that the Dark Dragon Slayers (Suzaku included) couldn’t really hang with a fully fledged Dragon God in the first place.
Which was the only reason I mentioned it in the first place. As It’s clearly shown that the Full Power Dragon Gods Fold Base Natsu, and pretty much everyone else.
And because their Dragon forms scale to Acnologia (not their human forms)
I thought it was important to make a distinction between the scaling for the two forms for Natsu. With the spriggans seeming like a more obvious benchmark to me (using etherion) as opposed to Suzaku. Who is vaguely around- or slightly above Spriggan level.
For hanging with a somewhat unquantifiable Human Dragon god. And assuming erza finds him stronger than Irene potentially?
As for Gold Owl? With God Serena being a member, and blatantly stating he’s the 4th strongest in the guild. It sort of backs up the notion that characters like August & Irene, should partially hang with those 100 YQ characters like Base Natsu (and to a lesser extent Suzaku) due to their portrayal as “strong” even this late into the series.
As for how Luffy compares to all of that? Luffy’s best pixel calced feats are 100% not as high as Selene, or even planetary in general.
But when keeping in mind that-
A.) Luffy’s Haki modifiers are not included in any of his strongest calced feats
B.) Aside from Selene’s single calc, Fairy Tail is concretely Multi-Continental, without anything in the manga continuity to support Large Planetary.
I don’t find it all that unreasonable to say that Luffy (with marginally worse AP) can make up for the difference using Hax against someone who doesn’t even fully scale to Selene (usually needing amps or outside help to compete with & defeat dragon gods.)
My statement on FH Zeref comes from Irene’s multiple statements of FH Zeref > Base Acno
But it’s fine if you disagree there, since it’s mostly a complaint with people who use Fairy Heart to make Uni+ claims.
As for Aldoron. I claimed he was the weakest Dragon God, because he was the first to face defeat. Sort of an Occam’s razor situation, where stakes will usually increase within a story as it goes on.
But Aldoron doesn’t have to be the weakest necessarily? It’s just hard to point at anything in favor of him not to be.
In general though? I don’t see anything wrong with “sciency” fan scale stuff at all.
I just disagree with using it as a standalone scaling method. Without statements and preferably other feats to back it up.
As I try to value consistency over raw numerical outliers. Since fans can calc almost anything to absurd levels (with pixel scrunching, or Cherry picked pages of art) while ignoring the author & intent of the story (such as the One Piece big worlder scaling we mention for Luffy)
Which would obviously invalidate the whole practice if not taken with a grain of salt, or context from the story. At least IMO.
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I should clarify when I said Spriggan level for Base Natsu, I meant Spriggans aside from August and Irene, who are verbatim stated to be in another dimension of power from the other Spriggans. The weaker end Spriggans are the source of the Multi-Continental and Etherion level power, with August and Irene directly stated to be in another league from that benchmark. August and Irene are still very much relavant in the current Top Tiers. But as for the others, Base Natsu has long since surpassed the likes of Wall, Invel, Brandish, etc.
"However the manga makes it pretty clear that the Dark Dragon Slayers (Suzaku included) couldn’t really hang with a fully fledged Dragon God in the first place"
Oh no, this is completey accurate. Dragon Form Dragon Gods are equal to the Acnologia before he absorbed the Space Between Time and they can one-shot Georg, who is far above Suzaku's Full Power. That isn't a problem for me. But the source of the Selene Moon Enlargment, which to me is Planetary-Large Planetary is a slightly serious Human Selene, who loses to Full Power Suzaku, with Selene herself saying that Full Power Suzaku is above her Human Form in terms of power. So it's the HUMAN FORMs of the Dragon Gods that are the benchmark for Planetary-Large Planetary, meaning it ends up scaling to a lot of folks.
"I thought it was important to make a distinction between the scaling for the two forms for Natsu. With the spriggans seeming like a more obvious benchmark to me (using etherion) as opposed to Suzaku. Who is vaguely around- or slightly above Spriggan level. For hanging with a somewhat unquantifiable Human Dragon god. And assuming erza finds him stronger than Irene potentially?"
The weaker end Spriggans such as Neinhart and Brandish were long since surpassed by Base Natsu, who was verbatim stated to be stronger than them, and Base Suzaku casually one-shot that version of Natsu. So Base Suzaku easily one-shots the Spriggans aside from August and Irene. Natsu states he gets stronger and his Base is able to moderately hurt and keep up with Suzaku and do as well against Dogramag. And in Gold Owl, Base Natsu's scaling goes nutz... We see Base Natsu easily overpower Athena 2, who has all of Wendy's Magic Power, with Wendy's Full Power being capable of beating Haku, who's at least relative to Base Suzaku. In the latest chapter, we then have Base Natsu counter a serious stomp from a Full Power Viernes, whereas Georg got turned into a puddle by a serious stomp from a Full Power Selene. So at worse, base Natsu is now relative to the guy who's above Full Power Suzaku
"As for Gold Owl? With God Serena being a member, and blatantly stating he’s the 4th strongest in the guild. It sort of backs up the notion that characters like August & Irene, should partially hang with those 100 YQ characters like Base Natsu (and to a lesser extent Suzaku) due to their portrayal as “strong” even this late into the series."
God Serena is stronger than before. Which a lot of people take issue with for some reason... But even if he wasn't, he was never limited to the Etherion and Multi-Continental level feats that other Spriggans were scaled to. The statement that God Serena was equal to the other Spriggans was misinformed as when the 4 Gods of Ishgar challenge him, they say he's gotten even stronger. So the God Serena they thought was equal to the other Spriggans is even stronger than before.
"But when keeping in mind that-
A.) Luffy’s Haki modifiers are not included in any of his strongest calced feats
B.) Aside from Selene’s single calc, Fairy Tail is concretely Multi-Continental, without anything in the manga continuity to support Large Planetary.
I don’t find it all that unreasonable to say that Luffy (with marginally worse AP) can make up for the difference using Hax against someone who doesn’t even fully scale to Selene (usually needing amps or outside help to compete with & defeat dragon gods.)"
Well Luffy's Haki is for sure impressive, all he's ever had to deal with powerwise is Kaidou, who is vastly inferior to Natsu's best currently. Since Base Natsu by now is at the very least relative to Suzaku and Suzaku scales above the Planetary-Large Planetary level of the Human Dragon Gods, this means that at his absolute weakest, Natsu is hundreds of times stronger than the strongest person Luffy's ever had to deal with. Luffy's had to deal only with Kaidou's Fire, Heat, Durability, and Attack Potency output, which is vastly inferior to what Natsu is capable of in Base. And with his strongest forms, Natsu has one-shot people in that Planetary-Large Planetary range, meaning he's one-shot people stronger than Luffy's absolute best. So if we're going peak to peak, Natsu just needs to land one attack at all to finish Luffy off essentially. And while I agree Luffy's overall faster and future sight will help a lot, considering the insane AOE Natsu has and how much stronger he is with his strongest attacks, Luffy doesn't stand a chance and most likely couldn't just block his attacks with Haki. As for the internal damage Luffy can do, well first he has to get close enough to land the attacks, which puts him in range to get nuked by Natsu and secondly Natsu has shown very good internal damage durability when Guttman created several magical explosions inside his body and he took them just fine. Natsu's endurance is also just nutz as we've seen many times he is able to continue fightly despite insane internal, external, and overall painful injuries, so even if Luffy does start hurting him, it's not like Natsu's going down fast.
"My statement on FH Zeref comes from Irene’s multiple statements of FH Zeref > Base Acno. But it’s fine if you disagree there, since it’s mostly a complaint with people who use Fairy Heart to make Uni+ claims."
I agree that Fairy Heart Zeref isn't Universal as Neo Eclipse is clearly an exception to his attack potency and doesn't scale to Dark Blast Inferno. As for the Irene and August statements, they imply Zeref could maybe surpass Dragon Acnologia, but at best that makes them relative. Natsu only scales to that Zeref with Savage Dragon Fire, which is quite literally a last resort where he breaks his limits and has to hurt himself to gain enough power to overpower said Zeref. It's basically a non factor in most fights because Natsu's rarely if ever forced to go beyond his limits to that extent and if he was, he can't do it for long. Regardless this is Natsu's power and not the Guild or Book of END giving him any boost, it's moreso a sacrificial power he gained from hurting himself and breaking his limits in a way he can't even sustain for long.
"As for Aldoron. I claimed he was the weakest Dragon God, because he was the first to face defeat. Sort of an Occam’s razor situation, where stakes will usually increase within a story as it goes on. But Aldoron doesn’t have to be the weakest necessarily? It’s just hard to point at anything in favor of him not to be."
Well at their peak, all the Dragon Gods are equal to each other and Pre-SBT Acnologia, we know that. With Dragon Force, Natsu was able to defeat an Aldoron who was at 40% because 3/5 of the God Seeds were destroyed and somewhat weakened him. It's still impressive Dragon Force can beat 40% of a Dragon God, but he definitely doesn't scale to their full capabilities. But he still scales above the moon enlargement by many times considering how a slightly serious Human Selene did that feat
"In general though? I don’t see anything wrong with “sciency” fan scale stuff at all. I just disagree with using it as a standalone scaling method. Without statements and preferably other feats to back it up. As I try to value consistency over raw numerical outliers. Since fans can calc almost anything to absurd levels (with pixel scrunching, or Cherry picked pages of art) while ignoring the author & intent of the story (such as the One Piece big worlder scaling we mention for Luffy)"
Oh I agree, power scaling can essentially be whatever people want it to be. But when it comes to stuff like on-screen feats where something clearly insanely powerful happens, I'm all about that. Stuff like Luffy's Bajrang Gun or Selene's Moon Enlargement to me are valid and backed by "World Destroying" statements of power. You also have Human Selene threatening the entire planet of Elentear from overflowing with magic power and her magic power causing Tsunami's in other dimensions just because she's too strong. So yeah, in general I see direct feats like this to be valid, but when you get to stuff like "Natsu is Star-Universe level as early as X791 because he merged dimensions that had stars in them", I find those to be clear outliers. In general, I don't think your video was bad, but I do think you overestimate Luffy's chances with his hax, as it's very clear all Natsu needs is one solid blow to get the W. As for Gear 5th, it's hax hasn't displayed anything that can handle Natsu's level of power and thanks to the fight with Kizaru, we know that for the moment, Luffy can't maintain it for that long and the second it deactivates, he's left completely defenseless as an old man. So considering Base Natsu is above Gear 5th Luffy's absolute best, all he has to do is hang in for a little bit and then Luffy's finished. And if Natsu uses any higher forms like Dragon Force or Fire Dragon King Mode, Luffy's cooked for real.
Wow... That was a lot of text... I'm way too passionate about Fairy Tail Power Scaling
Why does everyone forget she did the moon feat WHILE AMPED
@@marqusmedina5983 Because she did it again on Earthland, just read the manga.
@@Narrativerse she didn't. That was explicitly an artificial moon created indoors
Natsu can eat his own flames its not like he’ll die from eating his own flames its just they wont give him more stamina
he can, but he draws energy from Eternan, so it doesn't give him energy, he has to repel himself
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Fairy Tail Natsu Dragnel vs Vanish Brothers
Natsu LITERALLY killed a war god like it was cake for his family. Not even close; Natsu turns Luffy to ash
And? God is relative. Nothing in fairy tail is close to GOW or beerus
@@marqusmedina5983 And? Nobody said anything about those franchises
@@doGInVain my point was him killing a god wasn't a deciding factor
@marqusmedina5983 depends on the god though
@@doGInVain exactly
You have really good editing
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Kaido’s maximum heat level, which heavily damaged G5 Luffy with just the ambient heat, is base Natsu playing around immediately post-1 year timeskip.
Not even
Kaido died in magma which is colder than molten steel
Natsu melted steel like 20 chapters in the series
@@mynameisjeff7091 I meant him melting the area around him(Kaido melted onigashima’s top, Natsu melted the GMG arena and vaporized the clothes of everyone in it aside from himself). Difference between those feats being that Natsu’s ambient heat didn’t hurt anyone, but that’s just because he willed it not to.
Also, base Natsu can turn the ground to Lava and reshape it, so…
@@mynameisjeff7091kaido was literally unphased by lava. He basically drowned
@@marqusmedina5983 he was literally dissolving
That's supported by the VFX as well
@@mynameisjeff7091 he's literally fine and you can directly compare him to big mom who was in even longer
The absolute bias bruh you haven't changed since Ichigo vs Naruto the hell is the research
Country level etherion did you even bother noticing how the smallest country in FT is almost bigger than our real continents with solid evidence and one of the bigger countries is wider than earth how is it that you think Natsu in 100YQ is only spriggan level when just in the Alvarez arc the spriggans were supposed to be equal except for 2 yet Brandish was legit scared of an amped Neiheart and Natsu slapped him like a fly and consistantly a Natsu traumatized Dimaria (and partial END is weaker than Natsu fighting Zeref) and continental spriggans is solid when one of them just has magic confinement=magnetic confinement (author proved) you know the same thing that produces heat hotter than the sun (oh yeah and Natsu's base heat is hotter than that with Invels statement) and with dragoncry being canon solidifies spriggans are fodder to a going all out Natsu except Irene and August
And what do you mean not a threat to top tiers when Natsu erased Zeref in his strongest then right after burned his powers away including the concept of time and thats an already worn down Natsu
just take into account Natsu even got stronger throughout 100yq just think about him taking blows from full powered Aldoron who's comparable to Ignia who destroyed countless continent-moon sized countries and Selene who can enlarge the moon to planetary sizes on a whim and passively affects alternate worlds from separate dimensions just by flexing her power
no hax no spells just raw power and Natsu legit destroyed a weakened Aldoron so he's at least 1/3or/4 of their power making him solid planetary he's easily FTL in base just upscaling from his relativistic self at earliest arcs
Luffy has zero advantages his precog won't help when Natsu's basic attacks are default AOE with serious heat no one in OP can handle Conquerors won't work the dura neg/internal damage won't work on someone with stronger insides (Natsu's organs tank explosions his skin couldn't and dragon scales with serious durability that tanks attacks that can cut dragon gods
Natsu's speed is enough to keep up
Luffy ain't escaping a one shot large city wide
attack that can destroy planetary characters
Luffy doesn't even have the AP to hurt Natsu as he's only multi-continent his hax won't do much his toonforce only works on relatively strong characters even scaling him to White beard don't work and even if white beard still ain't even solid planetary as A. could be hyperbole or B. world destruction doesn't apply to AP since his fruit just grants him the hax to reach such effects
It's pretty obvious how the fight goes Natsu can't hit Luffy gets annoyed then one shots with purgatory flame
Nastu ate that explosion. An actual shot to the mouth straight up knocked him out
@@marqusmedina5983 bruh he ates fire explosions work differently learn physics
Doesn't need no purgatory flame, being near him while he's using any kind of flame is enough for luffy to melt like chocolate
@@4nero_Dem0n1c I was just clarifying the difference between his durability and his magic protection
@@marqusmedina5983 and his magic protection protects him from fire not explosions do you even know the physics and difference between heat and explosion
Bruh
You clarified nothing
Luffy struggled with people like Kizaru and Kaido who Natsu would 1 shot. Natsu burnt time itself and a beyond transcended above it. Luffy stands zero chance
Damn, youve scaled natsu the worst out of everybody ive seen
damn you're grammar is worse tho
@@ZiKayOGIronic how you say that when you can't tell the difference between the words ”your” and ”you’re”.
@@BootyAndFries i do know that you say YOUR in a "Your mom" sentence
@@BootyAndFries plus atleast I'm not a die hard anime fan who always tries to create arguements for the sake of powerscaling 👍🏼
@@ZiKayOGno it is not
Natsu solos One Piece
Now starting the video
Judging from the way the fruit works, Bill is actually way hotter than the average blast furnace as it takes six to eight hours to even melt common metals down. However, Bill does so in seconds. It can be easily assumed that he burns well over ten times hotter than the average blast furnace (which ranges from 900C to 1300C) in order to melt ore the way he does. This doesn't even count the amount of heat he exudes when consumes more ore which further increases to the heat he can push out.
he main strength of this fruit is the ability to become a human-blast furnace, able to consume ore, melting said ore down in their bodies, and then solidify the molten ore in the user's body and shape it into anything the user desires, including metal weapons, which he can pull out from his abdomen. The user can even launch the ore in its molten state to attack others. They can encase people in solid silver by pouring the molten ore on them; the user will also become encased in silver if covered in ore, but they will still have freedom of movement. They are also granted immunity from being burned by the molten ore, initially hot metal it is formed into, and most forms of heat including fires. The more ore the user consumes, the larger and more powerful they become, as Bartolomeo pointed out that the resultant effect appears similar to Logia.
Natsu solos OP
The Eclipse Celestial Spirit arc is canon and the members of FT have reacted to the Celestial Globe's Light which travelled to different constellations almost instantly, putting them at MFTL+ speeds easily. And by the end of the main series, they move faster than the Celestial Globe's Light even, speedblitzing characters that scale above the FT members' versions in the Eclipse Celestial Spirit Arc.
The Eclipse Celestial Beast is stated to be capable of destroying the entire Celestial Spirit Realm, which is stated to be infinite in size by the Celestial Spirits themselves. As stated also in the afterword in a volume by Hiro Mashima himself, the Spriggan 12 are stronger than ANY antagonist before them aside from Zeref and Acnologia. The Eclipse Celestial Beast is included among them.
Natsu's heat lowballs 200 million degrees celsius in base form, scaling higher than wahl's magic confinement fusion which is stated to be the same as magnetic confinement fusion which lowballs 200 million degrees celsius. Who in One Piece has shown same level heat feats? Becauss Natsu in base form, just by existing could just instantly kill them all.
In 100 Year Quest, Natsu in Dragon Force gets stronger by millions of times, seeing as how hes capable of throwing hands with Aldoron, and actually clashing with him evenly. Aldoron is stated to have 1 billion stamina points, and one Fire Dragon King's Destruction Fist only took out 1 point. By law of averages, assuming that the power for Aldoron is divided equally into the God Seeds which number up to 5, this would mean that each seed would have the power of 200 million points of Aldoron. By the end of the arc, 2 seeds remained. One of them being God Seed Aldoron that Natsu fought and defeated, the same God Seed that carried all of the power of the main body of Aldoron.
W bro
Bro is spitting big W
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It's been 2 months, but at least there is some tries to make FT verse at least comparable with OP verse, so I think I'll spend some time to debunk that pile of assumptions and speculations.
Let's start with MFTL+ feat of dodging Celestial Globe light.
Well, first of all, this feat takes place not in actual world but in different dimension of Astral Spiritus and all constellations there are placed close to each other which proves that distance between the place and constellations aren't as large as they are in our world + Globe's light didn't reach constallations one by one, it was spread at all constellations at the same time due to how globe was sending beams in all directions. So there is no actual scale that would put that feat into MFTL+
If you go with statements about destroying infinite realm, this game can be played by OP verse as well.
In one piece there is a character called Mont D'Ore. His ability of buku buku no mi was stated by Oda in vivre card to be able to create parallel universes where he can trap people. Additionaly it was stated by Big Mom that every book created by Mont D'Ore contains infinite array of worlds. Jimbei also stated that Mont D'Ore's worlds are infinite.
The same Mont D'Ore was outmached by base WCI arc Luffy who just defeated Cracker who was 3rd commander and the strongest in the Big Mom's crew including Mont D'Ore exept for Big Mom herself, Smoothie and Katakuri. And in the end of WCI arc the same base Luffy boxing with Katakuri who is 1st commander.
So in the end we get just 1 dimension for Celestial Beast vs Infinite array of infinite universes for Mont D'Ore. This feat alone makes Luffy omnipotent and he literaly wipes entire FT verse by ACOC release.
200 millions degrees argument was already debunked years ago, but since we know source of that nonsense it's not hard to track where this so called "feat" comes from.
Magic confinement fusion NEVER was stated to be magnetic, this assumption was created by one English translator who just pulled theory out of his ass that Magic fusion is equal to magnetic fusion with no arguments. The same translator already was caught making several mistakes in his translation, excusing himself by saying that "japanese is difficult language and sometimes his assumptions can go either way". There is no a single statement from manga or from author directly implying that Magnetic fusion is as hot as Magic fusion.
And it's really funny that you say "Who in One Piece has shown same level heat feats?" - because you didn't bring a single feat, even if these words were confirmed, it wouldn't be counted as feat, but statement.
So in the end we still have no feats of statements of Natsu having 200 million degrees and his biggest temperature feat is vaporizing sand, while in OP Akainu could permanently change climate of Punk Hazard island turning it into litteral magma hell, Ace with his presense alone causally changed climate of snow island for a week until he left all those feats take much more heat energy to vaporise sand, so litteraly even Ace outscales Natsu.
So having base WCI Luffy from the beggining of the arc and before improving his haki to be already Multiversal+, scaling all his form (G2, G3, G4) and his armament haki improvement (after fighting Katakuri), than scaling his amps in Wano where in G4, having improved armement he was blitzed and oneshotted by base Kaido who took the strongest attack of G4 to the face and didn't get even scratch and then having base Luffy with ryuo haki casually dealing damage to Hybrid form Kaido and than scaling all forms with ryou haki (G2 + ryou, G3 + ryou, G4 + ryou) and than scaling additional improvment of Conqueror's haki where base Luffy with ACOC could clash with Hybrid form Kaido splitting the Heavens outscaling G4 + ryou and than scaling all his forms with ACOC (G2 + ACOC, G3 + ACOC, G4 + ACOC) and than putting it together with ryou, since as was stated by Kaido, it's possible to use ACOC and Ryou at the same time having in the end G2 + ryou + ACOC, G3 + ryou + ACOC, G4 + ryou + ACOC we get huge numbers of how Luffy was amped to the end of Wano and I didn't even count G5 with Ryou and ACOC.
Sorry for breaking your world, but Luffy mid diffs Natsu, if we go with feats, and neggs FT verse if we go with wanking using statements.
Natsu can probably 1v1 anyone and beat them in that verse, but i don’t think the power of friendship or any of his others power can help beat all of them together.
nahh luffy base line is easily country to large country in base seeing how his haki clash with kadio engulf the entire country of wano and luffy scales above his gear 4 self from dressora being large island to even country with luffy mastering the form in wano
What a mess.
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Aldoron is not even the second weakest, Dogramag was described as the weakest, to te point that Elefseria was able to kill him, risking her life.
Even Selene openly said that if Ignia hadn't hurt her, she could have killed Dogramag herself.
The there's Mercuphobia, which literally only has half its power.
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Are you not even going to mention that Natsu in the GMG fought with Sting and Rogue and sai tha he could notice the way yhey both breated, Sting exact pulse, or that Rogue puts her foot in a exact position when performing an attack?
All this with their dragonslayer senses, they practically said that they already know all their attacks and Natsu spent his time humiliating them.
You also haven't mentioned that Nika has a low usage time and that when it runs out, Luffy is on his las legs.
On the other hand, Natsu was fighting for a whole day when he went to rescue Lucy in GMG.
plz do more fairy tail content your the only channel that produces good fairy tail content and we need more yt like you !
I'd definitely love to cover more Fairy Tail content in the future! Hopefully we can get a good matchup for them soon.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYnatsu just powering up slightly erases luffy
@@rapidcougar3785 That's not even cap bc luffy ain't surviving 200 million degrees
@@michikatsutsugikuni3098 yeah sun god vs the dragon slayer that's slayed gods
Natsu would scale to zeref
Not sbt acnologia
But with the zeref fight 1 natsu didnt use any End powers to best zeref he only used ds magic and 2 lucy with the book only healed natsu she never gave him a power boost
Natsu best zeref using flames of emotion zeref says this himself
Foe is something natsu has had access to since episode 8
Natsu would scale to base Zeref 100% but his scaling to Fairy Heart Zeref is a bit controversial in my mind.
And SBT Acnologia is the strongest in the verse by mashima's own statement, so yes Natsu doesn't scale to him.
In Natsu's first fight with Zeref, he used the power of Igneel (FDKM) which he no longer has access to (he can only use his self activated version of the form)
And as for the second fight, tampering with the book of zeref + flames of emotion + potential mental nerfs for Zeref, are what made him lose. It's 100% possible that Zeref lost to Natsu legitimately, but at that point? You could also just say that Irene's statement about Zeref is not true- further backing up the notion of a non-universal scale.
So IMO? It's either
Natsu < Base Acno < FH Zeref
Or
FH Zeref < Natsu < Base Acno
Whichever you find more reasonable honestly.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY natsu at his peak in alveraz sbt acno>>>>natsu>=fhzeref>=base acno
Zeref had no mental nerfs his goal in that moment was to reset the timeline
And he was trying to get natsu out the way
Natsu proceeded to beat him with a form hes had the whole zeref
Natsu would scale to him regardless because he literally evicerated him in FDK+ DF and zeref reversed time on himself to comeback and put a hole in natsu natsu scaled to him in ap he just didnt have anything to counter the reverse of time
@TUCKALMIGHTY How when Natsu erased Zeref completely that true time manipulation was used and Natsu just proceeded to burn the fairy heart power
What mental nerf when zeref was in god form and is serious at fighting Natsu his hax maybe held back but AP and durability don't just fall down and fairy heart is a separate power source so Natsu pretty much bruned away godly powers
Editing the book possibly affects base Zeref but not Fairy heart cause why would it when they completely different beings at that point and flames of emotion don't actually boost power in anyway it's just a fancy way of going all out
that's Natsu's own power why wont he scale when he's outright stronger Zeref just has better hax
@@4nero_Dem0n1c i said he would scale to it
@@ReidnReactn sorry I meant the reply to @TUCKALMIGHTY bruh low-balls less popular or less loved verse
He did the same to bleach last time
Second time I made a wall in his comments
Bodies transformed by a Logia ability are completely invulnerable to most attacks, as when they are hit and thus blown out of shape, they will simply reform without any damage, and seemingly automatically at that. This applies to both blunt and sharp-force damage, as well as severed limbs and decapitation. It is unclear how much conscious control is required to transform one's body to negate attacks; while no Logia user has ever shown difficulty or the inability to bypass attacks, there have been instances both of forceful contact with a user's real body and of unwilling transformation into their element. While some Logia types grant elemental bodies that, though invulnerable and capable of seamless regeneration, are still solid or at least substantive, those Logias based on gaseous, plasmic, or energy-based elements are wholly "intangible" in practical terms (though their form may still potentially be disrupted by attacks).
There are a few ways to negate the invulnerability granted by Logia abilities and successfully injure a transformed Logia user, including the standard Devil Fruit weaknesses to seawater and Seastone, which prevent the user from accessing their Devil Fruit abilities. All Logia fruits also have a weakness to Armament Haki, as they can be injured by an opponent using this Haki. Certain Logia fruits also have individual weaknesses, which reflect the element's natural vulnerabilities. Such instances include liquids such as water cancelling out sand, electrical insulators such as rubber cancelling out lightning, and magma cancelling out fire.
In order to generate their substance, a Logia user must first transform part of their body into the substance, which then multiplies as they please; this differs from substance-generating Paramecia users, most of whom can generate substances directly from their physical body or even from thin air. As long as the reproducing substance is attached to the user's body, it is considered part of their body, though it appears that this is no longer the case once the user splits it off. If they encounter their substance in nature, a Logia user can merge with it, and the natural substance will become part of their body as well.
The Yami Yami no Mi is a special Logia fruit unlike others. Its darkness transformation is not founded in a naturally-occurring element, but rather takes the form of a black smoke that most closely resembles the darkness of a black hole. The user cannot render themselves invulnerable to enemy attacks, as black holes absorb all things that approach it. Instead, the user has the ability to nullify other users' Devil Fruit powers, as they can simply absorb their enemy's abilities.
I'm glad at least everyone in the comments knows that natsu low diffs this fight
Solos the verse
Nah, Luffy'd win.
@@polibomarques1201 Natsu one shots the verse. Lucy is enough tho
@@flareshuriken1661 Nah, Lucci humbles the verse.
@@polibomarques1201 Bro happy one taps
If you think Natsu is anything less than universe+ level then you are a new Mashima fan and don’t understand his scaling. Country, multi continental, moon, and even planetary metas are all completely disingenuous. Both Mashima’s series before and after FT are explicitly universal as well. In Rave Master Lucia was going to use the dimension destroying dark bring Endless to destroy the universe and in Edens Zero Chronobecca was producing 10^72 joules for the explicit purpose of destroying the universe. Zeref is just like his predecessor and successor as is Natsu.
The highest you can wank Luffy doesn’t even approach the bare minimum of Natsu’s strength.
You used a fan translation for Ultear. The official translation doesn’t say represent anywhere she literally does create the possibilities with her arc of time magic.
Zeref is not above Acnologia he still can’t do anything to win except deleting all of history until before Acnologia got powerful in the first place. Having infinite magic doesn’t do anything against someone that gets stronger by absorbing magic the very first chapter should have taught you not to use an element against the corresponding type slayer wizard. Irene’s statement only implies Zeref surpassing Acnologia as a possibility not something that will be guaranteed to happen.
The idea that Natsu wouldn’t scale to Fairy Heart Zeref is extremely disingenuous. Natsu with Dragon Force outright vaporized Zeref completely overcoming his durability. Zeref being able to reform himself with time hax doesn’t mean Natsu didn’t still get the feat of vaporizing him in the first place. Furthermore Natsu burned out the magic of Fairy Heart itself as well as burning the concept of time itself which is a textbook universe+ infinite 3D-4D attack potency feat. Natsu may have burned his own arm after overcoming literally infinite power but it’s no sweat cus he burned himself worse against Mercphobia and then by the time he fought Aldoron he’s able to endure the strength of that fire without burning himself. So Natsu in 100 Year Quest is unquestionably stronger than Fairy Heart Zeref.
Does anyone know who won?
The Miss Fairy Tail Contest is a beauty contest among all the women of Fairy Tail. The winner of the contest gets a reward of 500,000 Jewel. Members of the guild, citizens of Magnolia and visitors from other towns gather at the Fairy Tail Guild building to see the show.
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Immense Strength: Gods are known to be immensely powerful, to the point that one swing of Ikusa-Tsunagi's sword can create a massive crater within a sizeable expanse of landscape.
Hexing: Some Gods are known to be able to inflict curses upon whomever they choose, with the Black Magic of Ankhseram being known to curse the ones who deliberately contort the balance between life and death.
Immense Magic Power: True to their status, Gods carry supreme Magic Power, to the point that a screech from Chronos, the God of Time, can leave a humongous crater in the terrain; an example of the immense pressure let off from just releasing his aura.
His face can be seen on a wanted poster during Episodes 45, 48 and 66 of the anime,[3] as well as in Movie 9.[2]
Shupeal remains to date, the only One Piece antagonist who could use "magic" in this context. All other powers in the actual One Piece storyline are the result of Devil Fruit powers, Haki or highly advanced science, such as the Clima-Tact. However, a member of the Worst Generation, Basil Hawkins is known as a "magician" and uses tarot cards to predict people's futures in a mystical fashion. Also, a member of his crew, Faust is also stated to be a magician, and in the Dressrosa Arc, the gladiator Mummy claimed to be a sorcerer, and used abilities that appeared as magic.
It was never truly explained why he needed Balloon's magical blood or what purpose it would serve him.
Unlike Gally, Shupeal is a prototype character whose appearance is exclusive to Romance Dawn, Version 2.
Shupeal shares the same voice actor as Brook.
Despite the strength of this form, due to inexperience, it consumes plenty of energy for Luffy to maintain and use, even to the point that he can appear to have visibly aged decades once de-transformed in addition to experiencing extensive exhaustion and fatigue, although these effects will eventually wear off on their own after a while. In the anime, this is further emphasized with Luffy's colors becoming muted. That said, Luffy can fully restore his vitality and stamina right after using Gear 5 by eating excessive amounts of food. Also, unlike Paramecia awakenings, Zoan awakenings like Gear 5 carries the inherent risk of the innate nature of the animal that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is derived from, namely the "Sun God" Nika, consuming Luffy's mind. In addition, Luffy is still vulnerable to cutting attacks.
Luffy isnt beyond time and hasnt slain gods like Natsu
Natsu is only debatably “beyond time” and Luffy is by all accounts- his own god.
@TUCKALMIGHTY well, Luffy is a vessel, but even so, in terms of raw power, Natsu scales far far higher once you get to 100 year quest, it's like putting Ichigo or Goku against Luffy and saying it'd be close, Natsu really is just stronger, I liked the video but I very much disagree with the result, if Luffy barely beat Kaido, he wouldn't stand a chance to someone 100x stronger than Kaido in every way
@@TUCKALMIGHTYand nothing suggest Luffy is planetary making Natsu just one shot him with any AOE
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwherever you scale natsu, it's not so ever less than luffy
Nevertheless, you didn't haven't seen the full capable of gear 5 ... Because when he fight kaido .. he is just awakening only but not master ... That's why the five elder are afraid of him now because of his awakening devil fruit ... It takes episode to see what truly capable of gear 5 Luffy has .
Bodies transformed by a Logia ability are completely invulnerable to most attacks, as when they are hit and thus blown out of shape, they will simply reform without any damage, and seemingly automatically at that.[11][12] This applies to both blunt and sharp-force damage, as well as severed limbs and decapitation.[13][14] It is unclear how much conscious control is required to transform one's body to negate attacks; while no Logia user has ever shown difficulty or the inability to bypass attacks, there have been instances both of forceful contact with a user's real body[15][16] and of unwilling transformation into their element.[17] While some Logia types grant elemental bodies that, though invulnerable and capable of seamless regeneration, are still solid[18][19] or at least substantive, those Logias based on gaseous, plasmic, or energy-based elements are wholly "intangible" in practical terms (though their form may still potentially be disrupted by attacks).[20]
You gotta have the worst FT scaling on YT 💀
onepiece Haki
Trivia
In principle, Haki is similar to common depictions across modern fantasy fiction-like manga and anime-of the ability to tap into, control, and channel one's vital and/or spiritual energy in combat. Such ability (or rather, the energy manipulated) is often referred to as ki (気) in Japanese, and qì/ch'i (氣/气) in Chinese, being inspired by the so-named concept rooted in Chinese philosophy, folk religion, Taoism, martial arts, and traditional medicine.
The term "Haki" in particular contains the shinjitai kanji ki (気, simplified from the kyūjitai 氣). The correspondent Chinese term is 霸氣, read as Bàqì ("bah-chee").
Not only is Haki a Japanese term, "Haki" was also the name of a Scandinavian Sea-King (a name given to powerful pirates) in Norse mythology.
According to Garp, Haki usage can actually be a hindrance when one is trying to train up one's physical strength. If one just relies on Haki to empower one's punches, for instance, they will not become inherently physically stronger.
Despite Bartholomew Kuma losing his will due to the Pacifista conversion applied onto him, he is nevertheless able to manifest Haki, which is a manifestation of willpower.
In the anime, certain animals have shown the capacity to learn how to use Haki (particularly Armament Haki). Specifically, this has been shown twice:
Alpacacino, a member of the Neo Marines, was shown using Armament Haki to damage Luffy.
The Kung-Fu Dugong captain of the Sea Animal Pirates, was seen using Haki.
Yall didnt cook. Luffy in gear 5 could put up a fight. But the second he runs outta stamina he is fucked. Also any of the fire attacks luffy uses will only help natsu win
Celestial Arc is not an anime filler arc also don't forget acnologia ate the space and time which an 4th dimensional concept basically universal+ feat
Celestial Spirit arc is anime filler.
It’s not in the manga (meaning filler) and it’s anime original (making it anime filler)
As for SBT? Acno was too weak too absorb the SBT, and it was literally going to unalive him. To the point that he got split in half trying to contain it.
SBT Acno is also the strongest character in the verse- so take all of that for what you will.
If you believe Acno is above SBT fully? Then yes, he could potentially be 4D
@@TUCKALMIGHTY wdym acno is too weak to absorb the sbt he literally ate it
When he ate it, the power was so strong that it literally ripped his soul in half.
Splitting his physical and spiritual body, into two beings. Which could heavily imply that Acno < SBT.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY doesn't matter he ate it like nothing happened lol
By all means, interpret it however you want.
I’m just saying that if Acno could control all of it? And was completely superior in power to the SBT.
Then he probably wouldn’t have been ripped in half by trying to eat it.
first in the celestial spirit arc natsu merged 12 worlds into one, he ate the lacrima that aborbed a transcendental spacetime destruction magic, he burned infinit energy and no ultears feat does cout sheliterassy explaines it she creates different possible futures and each of the futures is a parallel universe that she creats and she shrinks it into the little orb thats how she explaines it and the debunk with her turningt back time is also cap becuase the spell she uses is working with her lifeforce and btw base natsu is human form selene level who transcemded elentir wich is a transcendental universe earthland is a 4D universe Elentir is a 5D uniberse and selene transcendet elentir what scales her to 6D and low to multiversal. and btw jellals heavenly body magic uses the force of the universe so toh arc natsu scales already tu uni Natsu>op verse (no hate)
Getting careless because you're a Logia type? You're just fire. My magma can even burn you! My powers are far superior to yours! ”
- Akainu explaining how he was able to harm Ace
Aldoron has a life energy of 100,000,000
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Ngl where did ur scans come from? For natsu 2 of them arent looking right
We used an AI upscaling tool, so some of them might look a bit wonky, but they are legit.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY the zeref one he didn't say that its diff in my scans
@@TUCKALMIGHTY nor ultear
Love your videos :D
Always glad to hear it! Thanks!
18:57 this isn't true. Kaido was explicitly amped in drunk mode and the gorsei explicitly stated that gear 5 is exponentially stronger than base Luffy
Gear 5 Luffy is stronger than Base Luffy. But the “exponential” increase just isn’t that large to be considered noticeable.
Kaido’s drunk amp was still competing evenly with Gear 4 Luffy before Nika Luffy. Which by itself, was already an unquantifiable amp over Kaido’s regular hybrid form- which Base Luffy could already contend with.
Showing a sort of middling stat increase between all the forms, at least IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY fair enough
Fire Dragon Slayer Magic (炎の滅竜魔法 Honō no Metsuryū Mahō): Natsu is adept with his Dragon Slayer Magic and makes use of it in many different ways in combat.[61][62][63] As with all Dragon Slayers, he can consume his respective element, with the exception of that which he has created, to replenish his energy reserves. The heat of his fire can increase in temperature, which is proportional to Natsu's emotional state. Natsu subconsciously used this against Erigor; his flame's heat significantly rose as he got more enraged, referred to as Flame of Emotion.[64] Natsu’s natural body heat also makes him resistant to the cold, even within a snowy blizzard.[65] He incorporates the flames he ignites into his melee fighting style, greatly increasing the damage of his blows.[66] As such, Natsu's Magic revolves around the usage of fire that can spout from any part of his body.[67][68]
Natsu's ability to eat any kind of fire gives him immunity to most types of flames, including explosions, even by Curse users[69] and allows him to spew fire from his lungs.[70] This fire is exceptionally strong - equivalent to a Dragon's fire - being able to burn even through metal.[71] The flames he makes cannot be extinguished by normal water.[72] He can even use his flames to create a propulsive effect.[73] The type of fire he uses can be changed, as it can be solidified to cling to surfaces like an appendage and control its shape,[74] this applies to any external flames, as any fire Natsu touches is also turn solid if he wishes.[75]
By the year X792, after one year of training, Natsu has shown improved mastery over his Dragon Slayer Magic as he is now capable of taking out multiple opponents with just one attack, as shown when he challenged and effortlessly defeated the team of the newly announced No.1 guild in Fiore, Scarmiglione all while melting the arena with his heat,[76] manipulate the trajectory of his ranged attacks[77] and later was able to defeat Bluenote Stinger in one attack while burning his Black Hole spell after using his fire to raise the ground against his increased gravity.[78] Natsu’s body heat now makes him impervious to most sharp attacks such as spikes[79] and bladed weapons as they’ll just melt instantly upon contact.[80][81] Aldoron noted that remnants of the fires Natsu has utilised such as those of Igneel, Atlas Flame, and Ignia have all mixed within his own.
I'm going to ignore star level arguments for both sides.
TLDR: Luffy has a number of advantages - precognition, speed, G5 hax, haki defenses and offenses which bypass enemy durability - but Luffy may not be capable of consistently using future sight while in G5, which means he may have to choose between foresight and G5 hax. Natsu's flames, although inconsistent (burned the concept of time, but cannot burn the Dragon God living as a concept of an Alchemist Guild, without forcing said concept into a physical form first), has been stated to burn souls and my burn Luffy's haki... and assuming Haki can be burned, Natsu would have the advantage in Stamina. Proceeding from there, even considering Rayleigh's statement that haki of pirates improves in battle, Luffy would find himself running near empty, quite quickly, forcing him to rely on G5, which, I think interferes with future sight.
Luffy has his advantages, but with a generous perspective of on Natsu's flames and the possible interactions between his flames and haki, Natsu could make it a closer fight.
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My take on this (be warned this is lengthy):
1) 13:45 Future Sight
I don't understand why so many disregard this... its not like Narutoverses's Naruto/Sasuke sensing emotion/ reading muscle movements, or FT's Cobra hearing one's Soul to give him a hint of one's next action.
Future Sight Users like Luffy can simply, with more consistency, see further into the future with greater detail than these characters.
The best example For Luffy, was his training in Wano Prison, where he foresaw the reactions of Guards to Hyogoro's movements before Hyogoro even began moving (even better, It was Luffy who Instructed Hyogoro how to move to incite those specific reactions - chapter 939)
Likely the simplest example was Katakuri's intro (ch.860), in which he removed a threat, and explained why there was a threat, including the discussion and the following actions he foresaw would happen.
2) 16:15 The French Translation of the Databook and the G2 speed boost.
I don't see why this 10* multiplier is even reliant on the databook. The slight assumption that a Lucci's hybrid zoan form doubles his base speed is enough to get G2 to approximately a 10* multiplier (*2 is not exactly a dramatic boost, but I'd be interested in seeing counters why his hybrid form wouldn't manage even this). ch. 378 explained how, and was the only use of, Doriki measurements could be used to rank one's physical ability to use rokushiki (one of the OP World's martial arts) techniques, including Soru, the specific technique for fast movement.
Base Luffy was roughly a match for Blueno who was measured at 820 Doriki, rendered Blueno unconscious easily in G2, and was later shown matching Hybrid form Lucci using G2. Again, assuming that hybrid doubles Lucci's performance, resulting in a doriki of 8000, Luffy's G2 would essentially allow him to jump from an estimated Doriki measurement below 820 to 8000.
There is no need for the Databook. Primary canon from the manga alone supports the 10*boost of G2. And yes, I believe Luffy is faster.
3) There are far too many instances of G5 Luffy negating the threat of energy attacks - Kaido's Boro Breath twice (1st utilizing awakening to transform the ground to bounce back the beam, and then later being burned and then in a toon fashion reverting to a pre-burned state), the exploding projectiles launched by Saturn (chewing on a holographic tree to shape it to a bat, then materializing a paint can, a brush, and a batters helmet, before painting the bat and knocking those projectiles away) and the beams sent by Kizaru were initially 'swallowed' by Luffy, before they were expelled via his eyes, nose, and mouth (ch.1093). Bonus points for Luffy for using lightning generated by Kaido to swing through the sky.
4 i) 18:45 - not quite ... The Road to laugh Tale Databook confirms that G5 allows Luffy to continuously grow stronger as long as he keeps laughing, i.e., whatever advantage Natsu has physically, will not be a problem for long, if G5 is allowed to be used throughout the fight.
4ii) Unfortunately for Luffy, this features seems to counteract the necessary requirements for Future Sight - my understanding is that it prevents him from focusing his obs. haki, and is why Kaido and others can catch him with their energy attacks more often than not - simply put, as he gets stronger he is more likely to get hit, providing Natsu with more opportunities to hit him.
5) 32:20 Natsu may have been shown a number of times to be capable of burning concepts (time?) or other things with no physical presence (his own soul for instance) - momentarily disregarding the fact that the FT 100YQ Narrative (ch.137/138) clearly explained that steps must be taken to reverse Vierne the Gold Dragon's transformation into the actual concept of an Alchemists' Guild (And people think OP is strange....) before any wizard can effectively combat him - it is not impossible that Natsu can burn Willpower, the very source of Haki, thereby negating Luffy's damage/range boosting for his attacks and preventing Luffy from dealing internal damage by possibly simply releasing his flames in an aura around himself
6) If it was stated in Original Canon, it wasn't clear to me before, but FT 100YQ clarified for me that Natsu's flames can mimic the properties of Flames he previously devoured (I initially thought that once he used them, they were no longer accessible, unless devoured again) . Giving Natsu access to unique flame that Luffy has not experienced and may have no answer for, if Natsu uses them while burning Luffy's haki away, in a similar fashion to how he "burned his soul". -- this is assuming that the "fires of hell" statement from Atlas Flame, wasn't just nonsense. (chapter only stated that his fire resembled Igneel's, Atlas Flame's and Ignia's, but the possibility is there that Natsu has access to other previously devoured flames)
7) Stamina - This is a BIIIIG IF, and yes some might see that there is a pattern forming in which assumptions are being built on assumptions for Natsu's case, but these assumptions aren't completely without foundation - If Natsu can burn away haki, then he has a route to rapidly drain Luffy's stamina. Luffy wouldn't be rendered immobile like in Dressrossa Arc, because Oda clarified that Luffy could have just ran, but that would have only further drained his stamina, but it would drastically lower Luffy's defenses if he had little haki to use, while costing Natsu comparably little power in return.... Although this risk is mitigated by the fact that, by the nature of the haki power system itself, which Rayleigh stated in flashback to bloom in combat, i.e., haki users get more powerful as a serious fight progresses (which is why Luffy learned and developed his future sight so quickly against Katakuri), Luffy's haki may get more powerful in response to being burned.
This could be a close fight
Honestly the best summary of the fight though I don't see how natsu's heat would counter internal damage
@@marqusmedina5983 ... it was just that Natsu's track record with burning things with no physical presence has been inconsistent to say the least. I brought it up earlier, with Natsu apparently burning the concept of time in the original series, but in 100 years quest, steps had to be taken to trap the Gold Dragon, at the time existing as the concept of an Alchemist Guild, into a physical form before ANYONE can combat it.
Did Natsu just lose his power here? Did Mashima forget? Was that ability, used against Zeref in the original series, plot convenience that Mishima didn't want to reuse?
Natsu has been shown to just cover himself in his own flames. The idea was that if we ignore the moments when Natsu's physical attacks and flames can't damage non-physical targets, like the Gold Dragon, and also including the moment with the ghost dragon slayer before Natsu's soul was conveniently out of his body (FT, 100YQ ch.35), it is conceivable, that his flames could burn haki due to that one instance of Natsu burning time - And this was the last point I considered, that it would be a way for Natsu to quickly drain Luffy's stamina.
Note: I have seen people with different interpretations of Natsu vs Zeref, in which Natsu never burned time, but simply burnt the magic manipulating time. I was just being generous to Natsu.
@epimetheussolomon9718 for me it's more natsu's more insane burning feats have all been restricted to magic (All magic in fairy tail is composed of ethernano and spiritual energy as stated by Makarov)
Against non magic his track record is 50/50 as he could burn curses but couldn't do anything against Spirit arts
he has no advantage natsu has 6 speeds + more stuff than Akainu
magma 1,500 degrees Natsu 200,000,000 degrees
and the sun has a maximum of 15,000,000 degrees approx.
I love the pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack being used it brings back so many memories and good feelings we love and miss you captain Jack😢🫡
nice vid but i guess ure biased towards a bigger fanbase...
reply if u wanna debate or know what inconsistencies i found in ur vid
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Immense Strength: Gods are known to be immensely powerful, to the point that one swing of Ikusa-Tsunagi's sword can create a massive crater within a sizeable expanse of landscape.
Ikusa-Tsunagi (イクサツナギ Ikusatsunagi) is one of the Yakuma Eighteen Battle Gods Magic passed down through the now-extinct Yakuma clan that summons one of the 18 Battle Gods, Ikusa-Tsunagi.[To cast this Magic, the user must form the contract with the Battle God. Once formed, the user calls out their name to appear.[ The Magic then brings forth Ikusa-Tsunagi, a colossal, heavily muscular being with black, armor-like skin; his face resembles that of a lion's, jutting out of which (specifically from his cheekbones) two horns that resemble Mirajane's horns from her Sitri Satan Soul, which in and of themselves are eclipsed by bone-like horns that encase the jawline, and travel up the side of the head, of Ikusa-Tsunagi. On his chin is a long, pointed tuft of facial hair that appears to be a goatee, and a wild mane of hair juts upwards, growing from the top of his down past his clavicle. The Battle God also has pupil-less eyes and black sclera, and demonic, clawed hands and bestial-looking feet.
Ikusa-Tsunagi possesses immeasurable amounts of strength, being able to carry around a sword roughly the size of himself and swing it so hard that it tears the ground apart for apparent kilometers in distance. The Battle God attacks and moves at the behest of summoner, being that they are fully controlled by the caster. However with enough force to the head area the Battle God can be destroyed.
aldron isnt the weakest dragon god the earth dragon is
Aldoron: The largest of Dragon Gods who "commands life", possessing the ability to read the minds of others[2] and absorb the nutrients from the living.[10] Known as the "Wood Dragon God", his size is unrivaled to the point that the largest city of Guiltina rests in the palms of his hands.[11] His powers are connected to five orbs that are represented by five guardian deities known as God Seeds that act as protection to Aldoron once awaken, given he was healing from a battle with Acnologia that spawned centuries ago
Dogramag The Earth Dragon God
As someone who loved long ring long lang, does that mean that foxy, or someone more powerful, can increase his range all to cover the earth/increase the time of his slow slow beam
While AP (the potency of an attack) and DC (the destructive range of an attack) don't always correlate. In the context of One Piece in particular. Giving someone like Whitebeard Foxy's fruit- would in all likely hood? Give him planet wide range on his slow slow beams. And at bare minimum, should at least be able to slow entire Islands or countries (off of seeing Kaido just casually carry an entire island through the sky for half the Wano arc)
Hope that helps!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Other than zoans devil fruits don't seem to accurately scale with character base power like this. It seems to be much more focused on their skill and creativity with the fruit, and that's how there are fruits that act as straight upgrades of other ones exist.
Those with Logia powers can physically transform into a particular element of nature, on top of creating that element from their body in nigh-endless quantities, to control as they please.[5][2][6] The transformative aspect of Logias serves to distinguish them from other Devil Fruit types, particularly Paramecia abilities that allow for the generation of substances: such Paramecias only allow one to create-not become-one's respective substance,[7][8][9] barring one known exception denoted as "special" for its kind.[10] All canon Logia powers pertain to elements that are raw and naturally occurring, while behaving as they would in nature (whereas substance-creating Paramecias involve man-made materials that sometimes exhibit unnatural, esoteric properties). Logia elements may come in all major states of matter, including solids, liquids, gases and plasmas, as well as energy.
Its country level vs universal, Natsu absolutely solos, Luffys haki wouldnt get through Natsus skin
If you believe in Universal metas, then yes Natsu stomps.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYNot even. Natsu being at all relative to Acnologia puts him massively above Luffy. Also Natsu literally has Luffys hard counter as his base abilities
@@Frstypwngaminguh no Luffy hard counters natsu in terms of abilities
@@marqusmedina5983with what 💀
@@_Budlightyear_ immune to lightning.
Highly resistant to blunt force.
Has 2 different counters to fire.
Has 2 different counters for super tough scales.
It really is only high ballers who argue natsu wins without a fight
haven't seen the full video yet , but I'm guessing luffy losing again but i like the impressive editing, your videos are visually impressive more now than ever
Luffy won with haxs theyre scaling is nearby natsu is physically stronger but luffy speed, haxs
@@greenspeedsernatsu negs luffy with actual scaling
@@rapidcougar3785 whole bunch of cope no negging here just high diff luffy favor
@@greenspeedser natsu is at minimum universal+ and at max outerversal
@@greenspeedserNatsu eats concepts and ate time and space OP has no such feat
The one piece world just logically is larger than ours. Giants and massive sea serpents a rather common, even base humans can be much larger than they are in our world. I think just rationally, for a world to have these giant things, the world is likely larger than ours
Both verses worlds are larger than our Earth
Luffy defeated 3 Logia users without haki because he didn't master it yet
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While flour negates Gasparde's powers, he also apparently has not completely mastered the power of his Devil Fruit, such as when Luffy injured Gasparde's face after catching him offguard for stabbing his hat, or when Luffy threw a mast of the Salamander through his back, he claimed that it hurt.
Can you do gojo vs kakashi. Just to see the possible outcomes of how the fight would go.
I’d be happy to cover Kakashi Vs Gojo once there’s a little more interest around the topic!
If you’re curious about my thoughts on Gojo though, we have a full video on Gojo Vs Makima in the same style!
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I think Natsu wins for now, but Luffy should definitely be able to win by the time One Piece ends.
Outside of just having stronger villains to take down in the future, we've also seen more advanced applications of Haki than he currently has that he'll more than likely gain to take down said villains.
I always find discussing matchups where one characters story is over while the others isn't to be a lot less engaging because there's always "room for growth" arguments and a great deal of uncertainty around abilities that have yet to be fully explained in universe that could completely upheave how the matchup goes. Or they can just get some random tool that negates everything the other person has and the matchup becomes infinitely less fun to discuss.
This one is still kind of fun though. I'll wait for One Piece to end before giving it any focused thoughts.
I appreciate the amazing editing in the video but the results are not something to be satisfied wit as much as i truly love luffy n one piece in general ik natsu would fold luffy maybe not one shottin him but ik he would it hurts to say it honestly cz i love luffy but gotta see it from a realistic perspective
Is really hard for me to choose between Luffy and Natzu, since i really like both characters
Monkey D. Garp vs. Conquest
Bro was able to burn through time
Eclipse arc is canon . Ultear n zeref feats are solid
I talk about eclipse arc in the video.
And If you find all of the uni+ feats legitimate; than Natsu stomps Luffy no contest obviously.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYLuffy destroys Natsu not see why even bother there's no point of scale in this crap
@@TUCKALMIGHTYstop scaling when there is no scaling talk about the stats and the powers that's pretty much about it you don't have to do this extra crap there is no multi Continental what the hell is that even mean
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwhat are you talking about lacking feats so you can say the same thing about bleaching Naruto so yes I'll try to be biased trying to downplay one piece I'm so sick and tired of power scalers trying to use that as an argument that's not a valid criticism
@@TUCKALMIGHTYhow is any of the one piece statements are nonsense but you never use them in order to have Luffy win your argument is never make sense please stop and make it make sense please
Dragons have a number of Magic and abilities, while all of them share many similar traits such as manipulating their element, and enhanced breath and claws. Though the element in question varies from Dragon to Dragon, depending on the breed as well as resilience to their elements.[11] A Dragon's element is said to be far stronger than natural ones and those produced by Mages.[12]
Resilient Scales: Dragons are extremely powerful creatures, so powerful, in fact, that a form of Magic had to be created to combat them; their scales are so strong that, aside from Dragon Slayer Magic,[13] no other form of Magic can pierce through them.[14] This conceived notion does not, however, apply to Acnologia, who was unaffected by both regular and Dragon Slayer Magic.[15] As durable as they are, Dragons can still be hurt and pushed back by powerful physical blunt forces.[16] Dragons can also be wounded by their fellow Dragons.[17] Dragon scales vary between Dragon breeds, some happen to be made of their element such as iron,[18] earth[19] or diamond etc.[20]
Lung Capacity: Dragons possess lungs that allow them to inhale a large quantity of air to spew out their signature elemental breath. These lungs allow Dragons to consume their signature element from a distance.[11][21]
Claws: Dragon claws are capable of delivering a powerful scratch onto a target. Dragons who control an element (specifically an intangible one such as fire) can touch and envelope said element in their palms.[11]
Fanged Jaw: Dragons possess large sharp teeth and strong jaws, capable of delivering devastating bites[22] as well as chew through durable solids, especially in relation to their element.[23]
Enhanced Senses: Dragons in general are known for having impressive senses such as sight, smell, and hearing.[24]
Intelligence: Dragons are extremely intelligent; they are able to speak the language of humans and can thus impart upon them their knowledge, as well as communicate with them. Some, however, do not seem to be happy with making contact with humans, who they consider to be inferior, and ignore altogether.[25] Some Dragons even think of humans as one of their food sources.[17]
Enchant Magic: Dragons also all possess the basic ability to perform Enchantments, which they do to bestow Dragon Slayer Magic upon humans.[26]
Dragon Soul Technique: Dragons are capable of concealing their severed souls into the body of a Human. However, the host must possess the same Dragon Slayer element as the Dragon entering them for compatibility lest they be stuck within indefinitely. This ability allows the Dragons inside to produce antibodies to lessen the risks of the Slayer undergoing complete Dragonization.[9][27]
Transformation Magic: Dragons possess the ability to transform their appearances to an extent, although the Five Dragon Gods are able to fully exploit Magic to form human appearances at will.[28]
Regeneration: Dragons have an impressive self healing ability, should their bodies be damaged even fatally, their wounds can heal in a matter of time.[29] However, wounds inflicted by other Dragons can never be healed, thus ensuring their demise.[30] This can be avoided through the use of a Wound Enchantment which transfers the damages to another body.[31]
Longevity: Dragons have an incredibly long lifespan, capable of naturally living for over 400 years.[32]
Immense Strength: Dragons possess an enormous amount of physical strength, being easily capable of reducing a large sized area to rubble by simply landing on it.[33] Being strong enough to push back and overpower Giant sized humanoids[34][35] Even a portion of a Dragon's strength is proven to be too much for multiple S-Class Mages to handle.[36]
Flight: All known Dragons possess the ability of flying through the use of their wings.[37]
Dragons have a number of Magic and abilities, while all of them share many similar traits such as manipulating their element, and enhanced breath and claws. Though the element in question varies from Dragon to Dragon, depending on the breed as well as resilience to their elements. A Dragon's element is said to be far stronger than natural ones and those produced by Mages.
Resilient Scales: Dragons are extremely powerful creatures, so powerful, in fact, that a form of Magic had to be created to combat them; their scales are so strong that, aside from Dragon Slayer Magic, no other form of Magic can pierce through them. This conceived notion does not, however, apply to Acnologia, who was unaffected by both regular and Dragon Slayer Magic. As durable as they are, Dragons can still be hurt and pushed back by powerful physical blunt forces. Dragons can also be wounded by their fellow Dragons. Dragon scales vary between Dragon breeds, some happen to be made of their element such as iron, earth or diamond etc.
Regeneration: Dragons have an impressive self healing ability, should their bodies be damaged even fatally, their wounds can heal in a matter of time. However, wounds inflicted by other Dragons can never be healed, thus ensuring their demise. This can be avoided through the use of a Wound Enchantment which transfers the damages to another body.
Natsu is stronger than Luffy, enough fire heat is stronger than Kaido's transformation, which burned Luffy's hand with the Fifth Gear. For Natsu, this heat is nothing.
but then after a few seconds his toonforce kicked in and the fire didnt afect him, so natsu fire useless in this scenario.
His Ap is useless aswell because Luffy negates all types of matter with his imagination hax
@@24heavy69 Gear 5 was created during the climax of the Raid on Onigashima, as a result of Luffy awakening his Devil Fruit for the first time since the Void Century.
After awakening, Luffy gains increased phyiscal power and even greater freedom while demonstrating many new abilities, such as being able to freely manipulate the shape and size of his body; instead of focusing more on hardening himself using Armament Haki, he takes on a more cartoonish fighting style, as well as being able to grant the environment around him the same properties as rubber, which allowed him to deflect a Bolo Breath by bouncing it back at Kaidou, as well as being able to stretch objects he touches like rubber, including living things and even lightning. As pointed out by Kaidou, Luffy's power now has the characteristics of both Paramecia and Zoan.
@@24heavy69 Despite the strength of this form, due to inexperience, it consumes plenty of energy for Luffy to maintain and use, even to the point that he can appear to have visibly aged decades once de-transformed in addition to experiencing extensive exhaustion and fatigue, although these effects will eventually wear off on their own after a while. In the anime, this is further emphasized with Luffy's colors becoming muted. That said, Luffy can fully restore his vitality and stamina right after using Gear 5 by eating excessive amounts of food. Also, unlike Paramecia awakenings, Zoan awakenings like Gear 5 carries the inherent risk of the innate nature of the animal that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is derived from, namely the "Sun God" Nika, consuming Luffy's mind. In addition, Luffy is still vulnerable to cutting attacks.
Although his personality as a whole is unknown, Joy Boy had foresight and cared about his friends, as he left a concentration of his Supreme King Haki to Emet in order to help him in the future after his own death.[
Gear 5 will apparently be Gear 6 too
the best One Piece fight was Luffy vs Kaido
but he's still smaller than the god of war that Natsu defeated
Immense Strength: Gods are known to be immensely powerful, to the point that one swing of Ikusa-Tsunagi's sword can create a massive crater within a sizeable expanse of landscape.
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Kaido is like his one leg
Don chinjao didn't split the ice continent but cause a small rift within it, and the ice continent isn't even country sized. It's like saying "well vatican is a country and russia is one too so if someone could destroy the vatican that someone could automatically destroy russia" or some shit like that. Something can have a title, but until that title isn't actually confirmed, then it doesn't account as a feat. And natsu fodderizes luffy + verse btw not even close
"And while yes, this is a stupid calc that makes a lot of assumptions"
Haters gonna hate on me
Are you the guy who actually got the calc approved for Vs Wiki? It’s awesome to see you in the comments, hope you enjoyed the video.
Anyways though. I just wanted to say, that I didn’t see anything wrong with the math presented in the calc. And that I actually really appreciate the work behind it.
The only disagree with it’s usage, is because I find it pretty inconsistent with most other feats in the series.
Making it seem like an extreme outlier to me? Which is honestly a problem of almost all pixel calcs. Especially creation ones.
So don’t take it personally. There’s no hate towards you from me. Just a comment about how I find creation feats in general silly to scale.
Ye, I am the guy who made the calc. People can scale however they want and I acknowledge that. But the Selene Feat don’t seem like an outlier to me.
Super cool to see you here then. FT scaling has changed a lot with your scales for them!
But yeah, I only really see a lack of consistency with Large Planetary for two reasons.
1.) No upscaling in universe, since nobody has ever surpassed Acnologia (yet)
2.) No other feats/statements to back up the pixel calc.
Everything else within FT is vaguely in the Multi-continental range for feats? With statements about “destroying the world” being reserved for Zeref, Acno, & other top tiers.
So the idea of the whole cast just sort of surpassing all that by leaps & bounds off screen. Without any in universe explanation above these aforementioned Multi-Continental to Planetary statements & feats (as Dragon Gods = Base Acno)
It just never really sat right with me.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYhow though when
1 direct statement dragon gods scale to Acnologia and that's author intended since why would you bring in supposedly weaker big fight opponents
2 ever realized how Selene casually enlarges the moon and her raw power no spells and hax were affecting multiple planets from alternate dimensions so your logic don't add up
3. Again Selene herself said she toyed with multiple worlds before not just the residents entire planets and not all planets had magic problem like elentear and each dragon god scales to her even Ignia is proven superior so you just sound biased downolay at this point
Luffy couldn't do anything with magma either and his opponents would run away. Natsu would sleep in the magma.
i feel natsu wins but thats just me
Same but for Luffy. Props for avoiding toxicity
@@marqusmedina5983 the new fairytail game is kinda ass
money grab im sad
@@Packirup1234 they made another game? Original story?
@@marqusmedina5983 kinda not really following the story directly but its a hack and slash game like one piece fighting path and the gacha is terrible
@@Packirup1234 oof
Luffy/Natsu
Natsu
Enhanced Smell: Natsu has a very keen sense of smell. Natsu could easily distinguish Kaby as a poor man, rather than a rich one, from his smell, even though he was temporarily living in his friend's expensive house to appear otherwise. Natsu could also, as a result of their prior encounter, track Ultear via scent, despite the large distance between them. When searching for Erza and Mirajane, Natsu could sense drug used to knock them out among the strong odor of herbs. By burning away the herbs he was able to easily track their location to Tartaros’ HQ which was supposed to be impossible to find. His sense of smell is able to detect those who are related to each other, noticing that Silver had a similar scent to his son Gray.
Enhanced Hearing: Natsu, according to himself, possesses exceptionally good hearing, something which, during the Grand Magic Games, was proven true. During Lucy Heartfilia's fight with Flare Corona, the latter was threatening Asuka Connell with the help of her hair. Natsu was seemingly the only one who could hear their low conversation, and thus reacted accordingly by protecting the girl from the threat, allowing Lucy to continue fighting. Natsu was also hear Cobra arriving in the outskirts of city even while high in the air. In X792, Natsu’s hearing has increased tremendously that he could hear someone being robbed far away from the town he was present in and accurately strike each thief with his fire breath. He has also proven himself to be able to hear the voices of the Alvarez soldiers searching for a spy from way out at sea.
Enhanced Sight: Natsu's possesses great eyesight, having been capable of seeing Yukino from afar before his companions can notice where she is. Natsu’s eyesight also gives a great sense of firing accuracy, capable of striking several flying targets from a distance as they attempt to fly away.
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Observation Haki (見聞色の覇気, Kenbunshoku no Haki?), which gives the user a sixth sense of the world around them, allowing them to sense the presence, strength, and emotions of other people, even if they are out of sight or far away. It also grants limited precognitive abilities, allowing the user to sense their opponents' intentions and predict their actions and attacks before they happen.
An advanced level of Observation Haki allows the user to actually foresee a short period into the future.
Immense Durability: Natsu has proven himself to be incredibly durable. He has managed to take continual, deadly assaults from foes and continue fighting. Such impressive resistance was first shown during his battle with Erigor, in which he received wounds from his opponent's strong, sharp wind, and kept fighting on, nonetheless. During his time in Edolas, Natsu fights Faust's mechanical Dragon, where he took powerful hits and continued to fight. A true testament to his durability was shown when he blocked one of Sting Eucliffe's strongest attacks, Holy Nova, with a single hand, and emerged completely unscathed from the enormous explosion that followed the impact. Soon after he took on a powerful breath attack from Sting using Dragon Force that destroyed the arena around Natsu.
Fire Dragon Slayer Magic (炎の滅竜魔法 Honō no Metsuryū Mahō): Natsu is adept with his Dragon Slayer Magic and makes use of it in many different ways in combat. As with all Dragon Slayers, he can consume his respective element, with the exception of that which he has created, to replenish his energy reserves. The heat of his fire can increase in temperature, which is proportional to Natsu's emotional state. Natsu subconsciously used this against Erigor; his flame's heat significantly rose as he got more enraged, referred to as Flame of Emotion. Natsu’s natural body heat also makes him resistant to the cold, even within a snowy blizzard. He incorporates the flames he ignites into his melee fighting style, greatly increasing the damage of his blows. As such, Natsu's Magic revolves around the usage of fire that can spout from any part of his body.
Natsu's ability to eat any kind of fire gives him immunity to most types of flames, including explosions, even by Curse users and allows him to spew fire from his lungs. This fire is exceptionally strong - equivalent to a Dragon's fire - being able to burn even through metal. The flames he makes cannot be extinguished by normal water. He can even use his flames to create a propulsive effect. The type of fire he uses can be changed, as it can be solidified to cling to surfaces like an appendage and control its shape, this applies to any external flames, as any fire Natsu touches is also turn solid if he wishes.
By the year X792, after one year of training, Natsu has shown improved mastery over his Dragon Slayer Magic as he is now capable of taking out multiple opponents with just one attack, as shown when he challenged and effortlessly defeated the team of the newly announced No.1 guild in Fiore, Scarmiglione all while melting the arena with his heat, manipulate the trajectory of his ranged attacks and later was able to defeat Bluenote Stinger in one attack while burning his Black Hole spell after using his fire to raise the ground against his increased gravity. Natsu’s body heat now makes him impervious to most sharp attacks such as spikes and bladed weapons as they’ll just melt instantly upon contact. Aldoron noted that remnants of the fires Natsu has utilised such as those of Igneel, Atlas Flame, and Ignia have all mixed within his own.
overall Luffy= multi continental to planetary and 3D while Natsu scales from high Uni to low multiversal with inaccesible speed and scales from 5-6D
I love both, but fairytail scales SO much higher
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History
Magicians have existed as long as people have been alive. In the past, far more Magicians became pirates and there was even a Magicians Council at one point in history when Magicians were more prevalent. In the present time, the number of Magicians has dwindled and the Magicians Council is long since gone.
Trivia
Old Marine War Logbooks state that Magic Mell from the Panic Pirates was able to perform remote suffocation on large groups of people. It is unconfirmed though if this was the work of magic or a Devil Fruit.
Faust is a cat mink from North Blue[3] and a member of the Hawkins Pirates, serving as the crew's magician.[1][4]
SBS One Piece Manga - Vol. 86 (p. 42), Faust's name, race, and position are revealed.
The celestial spirit Beast is clapping everybody in one piece
Science fun fact: Fire can melt rubber
So Natsu can defeat Luffy
And? Kaido tried that and lost.
Ace and sabo would lose.
Akanui will eventually lose.
Sanji and oven would lose
@@marqusmedina5983Why is that a good argument?
Natsu has burned concepts at his strongest and at his weakest, his flames in base form reach 200 million degrees celsius scaling higher than Wall's magnetic confinement fusion.
Who in OP has heat of that level?
@@Noah-fg6km scaling natsu to walht magnetic confinement never really made sense but my point was natsu having fire hot enough to kill Luffy doesn't mean he wins. Kaido tried that and still lost
Luffy turns those fire into rubber lol
@@marqusmedina5983 Wdym? Why you using Kaido as a substitute to the argument for Natsu. Kaido doesn't have nearly the firepower to compete with Natsu's. Therefore it's a no limits fallacy argument
fairy tail wolrd is larger than ours, unlike one piece, fairytails confirmed
Respect
Talking about hax???? natsu fire can burn Luffy soul,existence talk to me when luffy have resistance to it
Luffy (and weaker characters than Luffy) have resisted Soul Hax, both with & w/o Haki.
Natsu does have some impressive burning feats though, for sure.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwhen was there even solid soul hax in OP at best you got is brook and big mom and those aren't even relevant and those hax scales to nothing so resistance is irrelevant
aside from soul hax what do OP got against fire leagues hotter than 200million degrees that burns concept of time
I'm waiting
I don't think anyone in one piece is tanking momento mori 💀@@4nero_Dem0n1c
how did kaido and oden die?
i believe both had haki...
is haki never ending?
I believe Natsu's flames r way hotter thn anything we've seen in OP
but also putting aside natsu's superior AP...I believe he have a more solid AOE DC which can literally negate all the speed feats luffy have..a large AOE attack shld negate OB Haki too...@@TUCKALMIGHTY
@@weird_perspective68kaido drowned and Oden was shot
Dog crap natsu scaling. Im out
Fr? He’s way higher
Please do a how strong is seiya from Saint seiya g assassin ❤❤❤
BASE NATSU 100Y QUEST SPRIGGAN LVL? irene and August MAYBE but natsu 1 taps anyone else
I don’t know if I’d say he one taps everyone else, considering the spriggans varied quite a lot in power as a group.
But I’d say he could give August or Irene a good fight in base for sure.
@TUCKALMIGHTY hmm which one gives him a problem?
Ajeel ,jacob,wahl and invel , neinhart gets Purgatory fisted
Brandish would be a problem VIA hax but natsu would burn her away
Bloodman gets turned to ashes
God Serna I mean he definitely get 1 shotted he's stronger in the 100Y and lost to jellal Natsu>jellal
Dimera definitely not a prob she scared of natsu
Irene and August the only ones I see that could give natsu a problem
Natsu would have to Go DF
Atleast
But yea . Luffy can beat anyone in the 12 that's haxed out
@@kzglo9403 don't bother with him he's biased Natsu literally fodderized an amped Neinheart whom Brandish was scared of and went and traumatized Dimaria and was clashing evenly with Zeref who in base should be stronger than all spriggan
100yq Natsu is way stronger at best Irene and August would make him go lightning or king mode heck his base form should be enough
@@4nero_Dem0n1cwith dimaria it was with his END power which is still contentious as to whether it scales to his dragon cry feats.
If it does natsu wins
@@marqusmedina5983 yeah it was END but that's just partial form which that level of power has long been surpassed
never ever cook again
I like Luffy but I love natsu but I will say there both awesome to watch and ruit for when there fighting a really strong bad guy,
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kaidos heat damaged luffy…. natsu burns at over 1,000,000° in base this is hilarious
Natsu 200,000,000 degrees
Luffy s speed is super simple. He coulsnt catch up tó a dude going 200kmh só he tops out át 199kmh
one-piece-chapter-1043 Gear 5 (Awakening)
Gear 5 was created during the climax of the Raid on Onigashima, as a result of Luffy awakening his Devil Fruit for the first time since the Void Century.[125]
After awakening, Luffy gains increased phyiscal power and even greater freedom while demonstrating many new abilities, such as being able to freely manipulate the shape and size of his body; instead of focusing more on hardening himself using Armament Haki, he takes on a more cartoonish fighting style, as well as being able to grant the environment around him the same properties as rubber, which allowed him to deflect a Bolo Breath by bouncing it back at Kaidou, as well as being able to stretch objects he touches like rubber, including living things and even lightning. As pointed out by Kaidou, Luffy's power now has the characteristics of both Paramecia and Zoan.[
Despite the strength of this form, due to inexperience, it consumes plenty of energy for Luffy to maintain and use, even to the point that he can appear to have visibly aged decades once de-transformed in addition to experiencing extensive exhaustion and fatigue, although these effects will eventually wear off on their own after a while. In the anime, this is further emphasized with Luffy's colors becoming muted. That said, Luffy can fully restore his vitality and stamina right after using Gear 5 by eating excessive amounts of food. Also, unlike Paramecia awakenings, Zoan awakenings like Gear 5 carries the inherent risk of the innate nature of the animal that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is derived from, namely the "Sun God" Nika, consuming Luffy's mind. In addition, Luffy is still vulnerable to cutting attacks.
Gear 5's concept took inspiration from rubber hose animation and cartoon physics. In particular, Oda drew inspiration from the cartoon Tom and Jerry. Oda himself wanted to draw something funny, and also wanted Luffy's fights to regain some funny elements, even though he was aware the general audience of One Piece would not like this concept because the general action sequences of contemporary Shonen manga are taken too seriously, causing the genre's uniqueness in the past to be lost over time. With the introduction of Gear 5, Oda wanted to create a polarity between Luffy's cartoonish humor and Kaidou's deadly seriousness.
These cartoonish effects also include other characters' eyes popping out of their heads.
Gear 5 was first hinted at in SBS Volume 98, when a fan asked if it was coming, and Oda responded by surreptitiously noting that the world was in the process of transitioning to 5G broadband networks.
I love Natsu and it has nothing to do with the fact that he stomps
☠️☠️☠️☠️we got to pd this
My bet is that Natsu has vastly superior AP to the point he should one shot Luffy, I mean you could argue Natsu has infinite AP. However Luffy's superior speed scaling and future sight would turn Natsu into a living punching bag. I just don't see Natsu tagging current Luffy without massively lowballing Luffy's consistent FTL+ scaling, or highbally FT's messy speed scaling if that's even plaussible.
Pretty much my thoughts on the matchup!
Very close, Natsu just lacks the tools to compensate for the few Hax Luffy actually has IMO.
Great comment all around.
Have you considered Natsu's durability tanking attacks from planetary dragon gods and Natsu's speed can keep up though he has been light speed since tartaros Can he easily tag Luffy definitely not but his attacks are AOE and I don't see Luffy tanking the heat hotter than anything One piece can imagine and the passive heat reaches quite far Strong mages barely resist via magic power
so Luffy takes damage regardless of speed and precog
So if Natsu gets pissed which he would thanks to Luffy he'd just raises the heat even further go Purgatory flame an attack that instantly covers a large city and can destroy dragon gods Luffy ain't surviving that
@@4nero_Dem0n1cLuffy has blocked island sized fire and nastu doesn't spam AOE as much as people think. At the time this video was made I agree but in the new chapters nastu blocked a full power dragon god so he's too strong now
@@marqusmedina5983 Luffy has blocked island sized fire not dodge Luffy can't travel a large city distance in an instant and Natsu's fire is 200million+ degrees in base his hottest burns time his destruction fist already covers a whole city and purgatory flame covered a larger radius and destroyed a good portion of Aldoron who's body is country size heck Luffy touching Natsu is fatal metal melts in contact with his skin in an instant
and the heat increase to ridiculous levels through transformations his heat also depends on emotions like getting pissed A Luffy who's obviously faster and hard to hit would easily make Natsu explosive in rage since even his guild mates pissed him so bad he almost killed Max
And since the earliest episode even a casual iron dragon fist destroyed a good portion of a port then a mountain a casual roar covered a mountain sized range and body heat vaped a few kilometer wide lake as I said most of his attacks are default AOE and all mentioned were done casually and Natsu isn't dumb Cobra mentioned Natsu having several strategies to counter against precog
So he'd easily utilize his good range and heat
Based on fighting a nerfed Aldoron and tanking attacks from full power Aldoron and fighting Suzaku Natsu is easily 1/4-/3 level of dragon gods you know like Selene who can casually enlarge the moon on a whim and affect several planets dimensions apart just by raw power no hax or spells and Natsu scales to that at the very least slightly
@@4nero_Dem0n1c Luffy being able to block large fire (which natsu doesn't spam and can't do to his limited magic) takes care of that.
Luffy literally spent an entire arc learning to destroy kaido's organs without touching them non issue.
Cobra reads minds he doesn't see the future and despite this he gave ERZA a hard time and would've killed natsu if not for brain.
Note that I'm saying I agree with the video AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE. Current natsu block viernes(who seemingly wasn't nerfed like aldoron and mercphobia) in Base. Unless next chapter reveals viernes was weakened current natsu is too strong for Luffy's speed and hax to bridge the gap
Natsu vs Animus and
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in one piece fire is a big factor(kaido,sabo,akainu) or heat anything...not saying that haki is baseline useless but if we do the right scalings...I do certainly believe natsu's flames to be way way way hotter thn any flames or magmas or heat sourcce shown in one piece...
and haki cant protect it forever...as we know how oden and kaido died..
Oden was shot and kaido basically drowned
@@marqusmedina5983 oden was shot..but did his haki have immunity to the boiling oil?..wasnt he like at the edge..
kaido died in lava..if ure a one piece fan u knw kaido cant drown..
and I'm sure natsu's flames are hotter thn lava...
@@marqusmedina5983 if u want i can debate...
flames hot enough to burn time and space..
flames hot enough to get through black hole...
he have access to urgatory flames and FOE..
he was melting steel instantly to molten lava just in ep2..
he can burn intangible things..
@@weird_perspective68 There is no flame which would burn time and space, mostly because time and space don't have boiling point, it's magicall aspect which allows burning other magic which manipulates time, Luffy doesn't use space or time manipulation, so it's kinda useless against him. Melting steel is level of relaxed Akainu who wanted to finish off Luffy and that magma was tanked by lots of people. However Akainu's magma was hot enough to permanently change climate, that amount of heat energy to completely disturb climate Natsu's flames never could show.
@@manlight5035i wouldnt say his lava was hot enough to change the climate. Doesn't an awakened fruit just allow you to change the surroundings?
Is aokijis ice 'cold enough' to change climate? How does that work? Ace destroyed his ice, his fire is way cooler than akainus magma, but aokijis ice was right up against akainus magma.
I dont think the temperature caused the change, but instead the ability
You all just can't and won't believe that Luffy will, but if u really go off facts Luffy gets the dub and i love Nastu💯
Guys Luffy is immortal because he in gear 5 bends reality to rubber or be giant then the earth | he is sun god after all
Gear 5 was created during the climax of the Raid on Onigashima, as a result of Luffy awakening his Devil Fruit for the first time since the Void Century.[125]
After awakening, Luffy gains increased strength and even greater freedom while demonstrating many new abilities, such as being able to freely manipulate the shape and size of his body; instead of focusing more on hardening himself using Armament Haki, he takes on a more cartoonish fighting style, as well as being able to grant the environment around him the same properties as rubber, which allowed him to deflect a Bolo Breath by bouncing it back at Kaidou, as well as being able to stretch objects he touches like rubber, including living things and even lightning. As pointed out by Kaidou, Luffy's power now has the characteristics of both Paramecia and Zoan.
Although his personality as a whole is unknown, Joy Boy had foresight and cared about his friends, as he left a concentration of his Supreme King Haki to Emet in order to help him in the future after his own death.
Joy Boy ate the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika, a Mythical Zoan-type Devil Fruit that allowed him to become an incarnation of the ever-playful sun god, Nika. It gave him a body with the properties of rubber, giving him the freedom to fight however he wanted. Joy Boy appears to have "awakened" his ability while maintaining his personality, as indicated by the ribbon of flaming smoke around his shoulders and torso when he is transformed.
Na you are wrong
LOLL who made u do this easy natsu dub video
Please, never scal natsu again. There are literally tons of other feats you didn't mention and some of your fears are literally contradicted many times 😭
Dissapointing tbh.. guess he sided to the bigger fan base.
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natsu was shot right in the mouth
And got KO'D
@@marqusmedina5983 nothing happened to him
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@@marqusmedina5983 + the dragon made a hole in his body and it healed immediately fairy tail dragon cry
@ondrejzimmel450 no it didn't. Not only is he clearly shown to still be wounded it's pointed out TWICE he doesn't Regen
Fairly tail are not SHONEN JUMP 😒
Luffy Bajrang Gun's is filled with air, it's not a solid mass of rubber.
When you account for this the small planet level feat turn into a 523.9 megatons of TNT to 327.43 gigatons of TNT feat. (Gt If I use 1⁄25 second like the VSBW calc' )
Still ain’t touching Natsu ☺️
It's pure rubber. He literally couldn't blow air
@@marqusmedina5983 Ah yes, Luffy do not bleed he is made of pure rubber silly me
@@Narrativerse I meant he didn't fill his fist with air to make the bajrang gun. He literally couldn't as his other hand was holding kaido
@@marqusmedina5983 He can bite his thumb
goon more sigma!
So much salt in this comment section. If Diet One Piece makes you this toxic ill stick to my happy pirate show
Fairy Tail and One Piece or two totally different anime what are you Talking about 💀