I think a lot of people are misunderstanding here... I don't think that Maron is calling him out for not soing the show, so much as recognizing that he (Maron) was so bad to him back in the day that there's not much of a core friendship that would compel Jon Stewart to do his podcast. I thought it was self-criticizing, which I think is legit
I believe that Jon would have accepted a private apology and bury the hatchet that way. I just don't think Jon is keen on the idea of airing their dirty laundry publically and Marc profiting off of it. Also, Marc's anger resembles that of someone who is a "Dry Drunk". That is someone who quit drinking but still has the A_hole tendencies of someone who is a drunk
I like Marc Maron. I can relate to him (unfortunately). Why do I listen to his show? Because I always come away with some remarkable insight. Even this story gave me an idea, and I'm not sure even Marc realizes this, but it's good in life to not be able to right all your wrongs and tie up all your loose ends. Being a dick to people has consequences, and people are not required to "get over it" or accept somebody's amends if they don't want to. It humbles you to recognize that. Marc has mentioned that many addicts are obsessed with being in control and what AA tries to teach people is that you have to learn to relinquish control over life (and the world will still turn when you do). Marc's quest to apologize reflects that need for control, and Jon isn't gonna give him the satisfaction, and that's alright.
Kelly Peeples Being Jon Stewart has made himself a household name with his success, this Marc Moron guy wants Stewart to accept his apology and if Stewart doesn't he's going to portray him as an asshole. I haven't heard of this Marc Moron guy until a couple a days ago and I can see he's an asshole. He doesn't deserve forgiveness because he doesn't appear to be truly sorry.
steve fye See, that just means you don't know anything about Marc Maron. I think he is genuinely sorry, and I think he understands that it doesn't matter. Jon Stewart wants to be mad, let him be mad. He deserves to be mad.
Kelly Peeples Well said. I also always come away with an insight; unfortunately it seems to take an entire hour-and-a-half show for him to say one insightful thing. His interviews with celebrities has them recounting mundane events, that we should find interesting by dint of their being famous.
My favorite thing about Marc is that he's a complete person -- he's made up of entirely grey area. Certainly not an angel, but definitely not horrible either, and that's what makes him so likable for me. Plus, he puts a lot of effort into being a work in progress. He never stops learning from the asshole shit he's said or done, vs. a lot of people his age or even younger, who've decided "nope, I've done enough growing". Also, when you're alone with your spouse or your best friend, you always get salty about that ONE person you have bad feelings towards. Anybody who says they haven't ranted about someone they dislike is lying. Marc made a bad choice and decided to rant to an entire audience about it. A mistake he will likely repeat because he's so open and candid about his feelings in his comedy. Jon Stewart was right for turning his invitation to the podcast down. Marc knows that, for sure. But with Marc it's always all or nothing, so it was LET ME BE INCREDIBLY CANDID WITH YOU ON MY PODCAST or WE'RE NEVER TALKING ABOUT THIS. Now he just has to sit in it, poor bastard lmao
I think Jon’s response was perfectly reasonable. He’d rather have a private convo over coffee about this than do it in public. Maybe after they talked privately they could’ve one something publicly. Envy is a terrible monster, and ultimately hurts you the most in the end
As much as I love Marc, I think the spectacle of doing it publicly for his podcast is more interesting to him than actually making amends with Jon. He knows there isn't likely to be some kind of friendship there suddenly, but it could still be a great episode. However, Jon is a famously private person, very much the opposite of Marc, and I don't see him opening up with a guy he doesn't like just for the sake of entertainment, which is what it would really be at the end of the day. Who knows, maybe it can still happen. A lot of Stewart fans are very much against the idea though.
Well, yesterday Jon Stewart announced he's quitting the Daily Show soon. And the accolades and discussions of the importance of the show and brilliance of Stewart are coming in from all over the globe. Maron might want to stay inside in the dark for a few days till this blows over.
Seeing a lot of comments about Maron as a "self-absorbed" or "egotistic" comic, and that's not wrong, but I think it misses the point. His "thing" is not as the relatable everyman that you could enjoy a beer with, he is at his best when he is at his most vulnerable. That vulnerability and willingness to be flawed, and then to hone in and focus on those flaws, allows the viewer to put their own guard down so that those moments where something clicks can be rewarding, and sometimes profound.
The irony is that I think we as a culture tend to largely (if not entirely) associate the descriptors of "self absorbed" or "egotistical" with people who demonstrate those qualities grandiosely in a way that projects positivity and self-worth about themselves (even if they seem obviously unearned to many looking in from the outside). But as Maron has very clearly and bluntly covered many times over the years, the narcissism door very much so swings both ways, and he embodies it even though he genuinely has a lot of self loathing and neurosis. It sounded like he even almost in this interview voiced the thought of "even though you're seemingly making yourself accountable in how that all these many people hate you and have lingering grievances, the better truth often is most of them simply aren't thinking about you FULL STOP. Be it in a good light or bad light". And yeah part of Maron's charm and his wit and just overall vibe, he wants to and is trying to be better. That while on the surface it may seem humble and noble to so quickly veer away from diving into anything positive about yourself, the self loathing can be a dangerous rabbit hole and you wind up what is still obsessed with yourself basically, and that's not super healthy. And I say that as someone who, sure as hell is far away from being a standup comic, or any entertainer, and still has myself enough self-loathing in one body to cover like 5 other people of average mental health lol
Thats true, but its also a way of saying that he used to be an asshole, now he has learned how to use his assholeness to make money. He basically lucked into his celebrity, whereas Jon Stewart actually worked for his. Who in their right mind is going to be attacked by a vengeful idiot, who really was never that funny UNTIL he started interviewing funny people, and put up with their assholeness for the sake of a show. All it means is that virtually anything on his show is NOT genuine or to serve any purpose by 'show business'. Which ironically should be the LAST thing a person with any 'integrity' woudl want to do.
Marc's really grown on me. Nothing interesting about a guy with no flaws. He does great interviews and, sadly enough, I identify a lot with some of his shit.
I really respect Jon Stewart's way of dealing with stuff. Whenever I hear about issues people have had with him, he comes across so assertive but not overly dramatic. Not a big fan of Maron but I respect his constant willingness to grow and learn.
A lot of hate for Maron here. I think he's self-obsessed and very neurotic but that's what I like about him. His best moments are when he's obviously way over-analysed a situation.
Matthew Paprskar He fascinates me in a way. He's genuinely self-aware and contrite about the resentment and meanness he displays sometimes, but he can't totally break free of it no matter how much he tries, and I believe he sincerely tries. I genuinely hope he finds peace of mind someday. Being that trapped in negative attitudes, even when somewhere in there is a nice person, has to be absolutely draining.
I disagree and find his self-awareness and contrition disingenuous. He isn't even interesting as a "mean" person .. he's an unrepentant whiner and a bit of a pussy despite attempting to project this "brave" and "open-book" persona. His neuroses tend toward the trivial and uninteresting. Much rather listen to Howard Stern who shares some of the same traits but is the far superior interviewer.
he's not a great comedian. that's why it took him into his 40s to become famous. but he's interesting & insightful. and honest as fuck. stern is a horrible, obnoxious interviewer.
I appreciate both of their perspectives here. I would have done exactly what Jon did, but at the same time I appreciate Marc being so candid about his past behavior and I like to believe that he offered Jon a private apology.
That being said, at least from what I got from this clip, Marc's clearly on the wrong. I completley understand why Jon would rather talk to him privately, and if Marc won't do that, then he's an asshole and he should work that out with Jon.
Man, that was exactly what occurs to me every time I sit through his sometimes-funny, mostly-self-absorbed therapy sessions. I'm all for people working their issues out to become more-loving, healthier, more approachable members of a society, but, holy shite, man! A little less corrosion, dear brothaman. Take it easy.
I dunno, sounded like back in the day Jon was a little douchey himself. Sounded like he made himself think he was a big deal doing those different (failed) shows before Daily Show. A comic telling another comic, "Shut up, you can't make fun of me anymore" lol wtf? There's no immunity when you make fun of other people for a living, yourself.
Wow, that's nice. I'm always impressed with someone who can be that self aware and have the courage to admit a flaw. Never fun or easy. He obviously has integrity.
I enjoy his comedy, for some reason I can relate to his problems. He's a gifted raconteur who takes risks on the stage that don't always succeed. When he's on point, it can be a Zen experience, cathartic, like watching Thelonius Monk at work. I guess I also have a fondness for L.A. comedians. A big part of his appeal is exploring how messed up he is. He's very up front about. Let there be no doubt about it, he's messed up in so many ways. The kind of person you want to keep at arm's distance.
It's nice to know that pretty much every person that has posted a comment on this video has no real experience or knowledge regarding Marc's career, or the kind of person that he is if you actually meet him face to face. I've liked Marc since I first saw his material on Evening at The Improv on A&E in the late 80's. I think Doug Benson was on the same episode, back then... doing the same jokes he does today. His perspective was always based on how he was making an ass of himself on accident, and how he dealt with the internal humiliation and conflict that arose from those actions. His visible embarrassment over his words from 2009 says more about him than what all of the people that are siding with Jon Stewart (an almost unapproachable multi-millionaire at this point) seem to appreciate. Marc has nothing to gain from apologizing to Jon other than trying to be a better person and move past the stupid things he's said in the past about a person who didn't deserve it. Marc is self-centered from time to time, and there's nothing wrong with that, really, but he at least has made an attempt to apologize publicly on his podcast for being a dick to Jon in the past... how can you Hipster idiots not acknowledge how hard that may be to a person with a public persona? Oh, that's right... aside from your retarded facial hair and anachronistic clothing choices that are supposed to be "Ironic", you have no real thoughts of your own on such matters. I met Marc during my anniversary around 2006 or so when he had his show with Jim Earl on Air America, and I told him that I was the guy that e-mailed him and the town I was from and he shook my hand and thanked me for driving over an hour to see him at the Melrose Improv (Doug was there at the bar complaining about having to pay for his own drinks to a fellow comic). Marc's material was hysterical and honest, and after the show I started to walk out with my girlfriend, Marc went out and called out to me from the sidewalk, and asked me what I thought of the show. I told him that I have always loved his material, and I really liked his bit from the early ninety's that he re-told in a new way, and he thanked me again for coming down to see him work out new material. I was incredibly flattered that a man that I had always enjoyed and I always thought would work it out to the point that he would be huge, who actually is now, because he deserves it. If you think that Marc does things only for himself in his interviews, try listening to the interview with Louis CK... that was a very frank and honest conversation on how Marc did things wrong with Louis, and how he wanted to sincerely apologize to one of his best-friends and repair their relationship. I really think that Marc is trying his best to be not only honest with himself, but also with us... and being honest with complete strangers is often really hard on the person who is trying to share. All I'm saying here is: Ease off on the Judgement... why are so many people on TH-cam such entitled, sanctimonious pricks? You're watching the video, right? It's free, and if you don't like it, than shut the fuck up and move on with your life... Marc or Jon are not he sources of your personal flaws or failings, here. Get over yourselves...
"Ease off on the Judgement... why are so many people on TH-cam such entitled, sanctimonious pricks?" Good one, pal. Maron and Stewart are both in the "look at me" business. As such they've put themselves out there to be looked at, and ultimately judged .. if only on the merit of their talents. Glad you had a rewarding few minutes meeting the guy .. but it isn't too difficult to see why some find him tiresome and self-indulging. The Louis CK interview was good for one reason .. Louis CK (who, unlike Maron, has a genuine talent for self-reflection without the indulgent crap that Maron lays out daily at the start of his podcast.)
Maron has made a shtick of the fact that he is genuinely an ass. Sort of a variation on what Larry David does, except that Larry David is not genuinely a sociopath. Maron only wants to apologize to Stewart if he can get a podcast out of it -- he actually didn't take Stewart up on just going for coffee, which is crazy. Anybody else would be glad to go for a coffee with Jon Stewart.
He needs everything to go public! Can't just deal with an issue in private, everyone is probably begging on their knees praying for a public Jon Stewart and Marc Maron make-up lol
For real...I want to know why he rejected that offer. Jon Stewart is a MAN, not a villain in some cheesy horror movie. Marc made him out to be some pathetic caricature that wasn't true and was a distortion of reality, and doesn't even have the time to meet the man, face-to-face, and see him for who he really is, beyond the filter of TV? That's fucking pathetic: Marc is a funny guy, but he's not a good human being, unlike other acerbic comics like Bill Burr and Louis CK.
Maturity comes later for some than others. Sometimes _too_ late, unfortunately. Any fan who loves them both has been cheated out of that WTF episode and any potential collaborations, but Maron probably cheated himself out of a great friendship.
I get the feeling that that scene in "Louie" with Marc- the one where Louis CK apologizes to Marc Maron and CK tells him that he already did this 5 years ago... That was a actually Marc that did that in real life and they re-imagined it. I get that feeling.
I like Maron quite a bit. But Jon Stewart has always been a class act I feel. He's a lot like Maron in many ways, but much easier to get along with because he's more reasonable for one thing.
Jon may be the nicer person to get along with. Marc however does the honesty-at-all-costs thing, to an obsessive degree, alienating many people in the process, which I respect about him a hell of a lot more than most comedians.
Is Maron really that honest? He only wanted to apologize to Stewart if it was on his podcast and declined Stewart's offer to go for coffee. It seems dishonest to only want to apologize if it's for public consumption.
Reginald Periwinkle You could be right. I've never dealt with either of them personally. Although how do we know they didn't have coffee by now? It could be that the guy who Put's It All Out There is a sneaky and duplicitous guy in person, is only Mr. Honesty for exploitative purposes. I tend to doubt that possibility, only the shadow knows.
maron wasnt just being "honest" with stewart, just a plain dick to him all the time, calling him a corporate sellout because he had tv gigs while maron himself was on tv, thats more hypocritical than honest
uh no, marc maron was just being young stupid douchebag, mamy comics are how you describe maron, louis ck, joey diaz, patrice o'neal etc but they werent known in the comedic world for being super jealous dicks! Jon stewart is the reason maron got his first show & maron would just talk shit on stage, the guy was just a bitter jealous person, self admittedly.
? Umm. I don't have anything against Jon Stewart, nor do I entertain jealousy (pretty much the whole point of Buddhism). I actually like him and his show. I just couldn't watch it anymore because I couldn't stand the idea of America being this much of a joke. He does good work. It's the country I have a beef with. Anyway, keep on keeping on! :D
Pete Agassi Well, he happens to be one of the most respected comedians in the business. He has his own television show which just got renewed for a third season and his podcast is the most-listened to podcast in the world with celebrities lining up to be on his show. Just because you never heard of him doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished a good deal.
Pete Agassi You really need to calm down buddy. I don't think Stewart needs you to individually defend him, or individually attack those that don't like him, on TH-cam. Have some self-respect. If you don;t know who Maron is then you haven't followed comedy that closely over the last 20-30yrs. That isn;t anyones fault but your own. www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/12/14/marc_maron_and_louis_ck_on_wtf_the_story_of_the_greatest_podcast_episode.html
3:36 "That guy" Yeah...I can see why Jon isn't interested. There's nothing to be resolved: Maron was just a jealous prick and they aren't friends and won't be.
In the age of self-righteous, immature and uninformed comedians being exalted as intellectual Heroes, it's refreshing to see one being so mature and honest
He torched bridges and when it serves him to need these famous comics for his show... for his own fame... income... he sheepishly acts like it's redemption or therapy to reconnect... it's no wonder celebrities have no real friends... it's all bs
like it or not,fair or not,you can't completely hide disdain [genuine or not] behind a facade of comedy. it comes with the territory Marc. you can pull the "i'm just a comic " card only so many times. who's right or wrong,who the hell knows,that's in the eye of the beholder. sometimes,that's simply unanswerable.
Good for Jon Stewart. Where is it written that you're obliged to field a less appealing comedian's abuse with a sense of irony and then let the guy use you to further his burgeoning late life "career" with an "apology interview"? No matter how much Maron tries to facilitate this "I'm learning to grow up, folks" sincerity on his podcast intros, he's clearly one failed venture away from his old bitterness. Never trust a guy who knows nothing about sports.
Agreed. That was my own knee-jerk reaction. I happen to like a lot of cats, too .. and yet my distaste for Maron's self-absorbed style might make me question this about him. He's had his success these past few years but his "we're all human folks" BS is always just code for "but more about me .."
it's interesting, after listening to his podcast for years, he is a lot less self-absorbed now, like all of his neuroses came from his lack of success in comedy for almost 30 years. he's just not a great comedian. no wonder he didn't become famous until his 40s.
Who are the comics Marc Maron had problems with? Other than Jon Stewart, I knew about their thing with Louis CK and that Gavin Mcinnes (not necessarily a comic) doesn't like him.
Maron has been a jerk in past, he’s made mistakes, he’s treated people poorly. I think his reflection and owning up to it is what makes him likable and relatable. We all make mistakes, sometimes you can’t fix them but it’s important to try and learn, grow and move forward.
Marc Maron is missing self-awareness? Did you bother to what that four and a half minute clip? Because he is very self aware. He understand how jealous he has been, how he acted was wrong, how much of a dick he was. I actually respect someone who understand their faults like that. I'm still not a fan of his podcast but I respect the human being for understanding his shortcomings. That's how you can correct them.
Maron is always owning up to how f'd up he is, or how mean he has been to ppl, to the point of apologizing publicly even. To the point where you're squirming uncomfortably and wishing he had talked to them in private, cuz now you feel like you should probably call your dad and have a heart-to-heart with him and you don't wanna go there man, you do NOT wanna go there! Lol! I agree that Marc's tone isn't "sweet", he he is definitely self aware and somewhat empathetic.
Yea, he fakes being this sentimental guy. Probly just a sociopath... I think Ari took a page straight out of his book when he was blatantly FAKE crying on his podcast .. such fucking creepy fucks
Jon Stewart is a class act to the people he worked with at the Daily Show. He was beloved because he was honest and genuine. Too bad it's taken a guy like Maron 50 years to grow up and learn how deal with jealousy. Its actually pretty effffing sad.
I bet if he had gone to coffee with Jon he would have gotten him for the podcast. Weird, Marc Maron is the only famous person I have ever exchanged more than 5 words with.
always tell my daughter that if you spend your life capital looking at others and wondering why them and not you, you will have a very joyless, unfulfilling life and come across as bitter. You need to focus on being the best version of you that you can and not compare yourself to anyone else.
As a fan of Jon Stewart, this was interesting insight. There's an unpleasant underbelly to Jon that the public doesn't always get to see. It's kind of funny that he denied Marc that forgiveness. Thanks for this moment George Strombob... Stroumbopulopo........ Strombo.
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding here... I don't think that Maron is calling him out for not soing the show, so much as recognizing that he (Maron) was so bad to him back in the day that there's not much of a core friendship that would compel Jon Stewart to do his podcast. I thought it was self-criticizing, which I think is legit
+jwcharin Agree, he makes both of their perspectives come across well.
I believe that Jon would have accepted a private apology and bury the hatchet that way. I just don't think Jon is keen on the idea of airing their dirty laundry publically and Marc profiting off of it.
Also, Marc's anger resembles that of someone who is a "Dry Drunk". That is someone who quit drinking but still has the A_hole tendencies of someone who is a drunk
jwcharin one piece more though is that if Jon Stewart saw himself as a comic still then everything g for the sake of laughs would be forgiven.
@@Gunderson105 You nailed it. Exactly!
I like Marc Maron. I can relate to him (unfortunately). Why do I listen to his show? Because I always come away with some remarkable insight. Even this story gave me an idea, and I'm not sure even Marc realizes this, but it's good in life to not be able to right all your wrongs and tie up all your loose ends. Being a dick to people has consequences, and people are not required to "get over it" or accept somebody's amends if they don't want to. It humbles you to recognize that. Marc has mentioned that many addicts are obsessed with being in control and what AA tries to teach people is that you have to learn to relinquish control over life (and the world will still turn when you do). Marc's quest to apologize reflects that need for control, and Jon isn't gonna give him the satisfaction, and that's alright.
Kelly Peeples
Being Jon Stewart has made himself a household name with his success, this Marc Moron guy wants Stewart to accept his apology and if Stewart doesn't he's going to portray him as an asshole. I haven't heard of this Marc Moron guy until a couple a days ago and I can see he's an asshole. He doesn't deserve forgiveness because he doesn't appear to be truly sorry.
steve fye See, that just means you don't know anything about Marc Maron. I think he is genuinely sorry, and I think he understands that it doesn't matter. Jon Stewart wants to be mad, let him be mad. He deserves to be mad.
Kelly Peeples This is the most mature TH-cam comment I've ever read.
Kelly Peeples Well said. I also always come away with an insight; unfortunately it seems to take an entire hour-and-a-half show for him to say one insightful thing. His interviews with celebrities has them recounting mundane events, that we should find interesting by dint of their being famous.
David Klausa Make sure to let him know that: "I'm a busy woman. Could you please get to the insight at the beginning of the show? Much obliged."
My favorite thing about Marc is that he's a complete person -- he's made up of entirely grey area. Certainly not an angel, but definitely not horrible either, and that's what makes him so likable for me. Plus, he puts a lot of effort into being a work in progress. He never stops learning from the asshole shit he's said or done, vs. a lot of people his age or even younger, who've decided "nope, I've done enough growing".
Also, when you're alone with your spouse or your best friend, you always get salty about that ONE person you have bad feelings towards. Anybody who says they haven't ranted about someone they dislike is lying. Marc made a bad choice and decided to rant to an entire audience about it. A mistake he will likely repeat because he's so open and candid about his feelings in his comedy.
Jon Stewart was right for turning his invitation to the podcast down. Marc knows that, for sure. But with Marc it's always all or nothing, so it was LET ME BE INCREDIBLY CANDID WITH YOU ON MY PODCAST or WE'RE NEVER TALKING ABOUT THIS. Now he just has to sit in it, poor bastard lmao
He’s kinda turned a bit hacky in his older years, but I mostly agree with you
Self-loathing is Maron's brand.
Self-evaluation is his brand, and he honestly tries to acknowledge what that evaluation reveals.
@@TheRealLaughingGravy yeah that's fair
Boy that dude gets right up on ya. It looks like he's waiting for Marc to ask him to sit on his lap, weird style.
Lmao! What an awkward way to interview.
THANK YOU!! I was scrolling through the comments section looking to see if anyone else was gonna notice that 😂
I'm uncomfortable as well. Sit the F down!
Yeah, can creepazoid come over? You can tell he's used to stools and not chairs.
There's a backstory to it ,he had a medical problem
I think Jon’s response was perfectly reasonable. He’d rather have a private convo over coffee about this than do it in public. Maybe after they talked privately they could’ve one something publicly. Envy is a terrible monster, and ultimately hurts you the most in the end
As much as I love Marc, I think the spectacle of doing it publicly for his podcast is more interesting to him than actually making amends with Jon. He knows there isn't likely to be some kind of friendship there suddenly, but it could still be a great episode. However, Jon is a famously private person, very much the opposite of Marc, and I don't see him opening up with a guy he doesn't like just for the sake of entertainment, which is what it would really be at the end of the day. Who knows, maybe it can still happen. A lot of Stewart fans are very much against the idea though.
My favorite thing about Marc is how candid he is
It really bugs me how closely they're seated.
Well, yesterday Jon Stewart announced he's quitting the Daily Show soon. And the accolades and discussions of the importance of the show and brilliance of Stewart are coming in from all over the globe.
Maron might want to stay inside in the dark for a few days till this blows over.
Seeing a lot of comments about Maron as a "self-absorbed" or "egotistic" comic, and that's not wrong, but I think it misses the point. His "thing" is not as the relatable everyman that you could enjoy a beer with, he is at his best when he is at his most vulnerable. That vulnerability and willingness to be flawed, and then to hone in and focus on those flaws, allows the viewer to put their own guard down so that those moments where something clicks can be rewarding, and sometimes profound.
Noel Schneider could not agree more
Noel your spot on, Marc is a genius in my humble opinion
The irony is that I think we as a culture tend to largely (if not entirely) associate the descriptors of "self absorbed" or "egotistical" with people who demonstrate those qualities grandiosely in a way that projects positivity and self-worth about themselves (even if they seem obviously unearned to many looking in from the outside). But as Maron has very clearly and bluntly covered many times over the years, the narcissism door very much so swings both ways, and he embodies it even though he genuinely has a lot of self loathing and neurosis. It sounded like he even almost in this interview voiced the thought of "even though you're seemingly making yourself accountable in how that all these many people hate you and have lingering grievances, the better truth often is most of them simply aren't thinking about you FULL STOP. Be it in a good light or bad light".
And yeah part of Maron's charm and his wit and just overall vibe, he wants to and is trying to be better. That while on the surface it may seem humble and noble to so quickly veer away from diving into anything positive about yourself, the self loathing can be a dangerous rabbit hole and you wind up what is still obsessed with yourself basically, and that's not super healthy.
And I say that as someone who, sure as hell is far away from being a standup comic, or any entertainer, and still has myself enough self-loathing in one body to cover like 5 other people of average mental health lol
All comics are self absorbed and egotistical, that's the laziest criticism I've ever seen of him.
Thats true, but its also a way of saying that he used to be an asshole, now he has learned how to use his assholeness to make money. He basically lucked into his celebrity, whereas Jon Stewart actually worked for his. Who in their right mind is going to be attacked by a vengeful idiot, who really was never that funny UNTIL he started interviewing funny people, and put up with their assholeness for the sake of a show. All it means is that virtually anything on his show is NOT genuine or to serve any purpose by 'show business'. Which ironically should be the LAST thing a person with any 'integrity' woudl want to do.
Marc's really grown on me. Nothing interesting about a guy with no flaws. He does great interviews and, sadly enough, I identify a lot with some of his shit.
everyone has flaws. maron's just brutally honest.
I really respect Jon Stewart's way of dealing with stuff. Whenever I hear about issues people have had with him, he comes across so assertive but not overly dramatic.
Not a big fan of Maron but I respect his constant willingness to grow and learn.
A lot of hate for Maron here. I think he's self-obsessed and very neurotic but that's what I like about him. His best moments are when he's obviously way over-analysed a situation.
Matthew Paprskar He fascinates me in a way. He's genuinely self-aware and contrite about the resentment and meanness he displays sometimes, but he can't totally break free of it no matter how much he tries, and I believe he sincerely tries. I genuinely hope he finds peace of mind someday. Being that trapped in negative attitudes, even when somewhere in there is a nice person, has to be absolutely draining.
+MrBook Yeah, it sucks...OH WAIT you were talking about someone else.
I disagree and find his self-awareness and contrition disingenuous. He isn't even interesting as a "mean" person .. he's an unrepentant whiner and a bit of a pussy despite attempting to project this "brave" and "open-book" persona. His neuroses tend toward the trivial and uninteresting. Much rather listen to Howard Stern who shares some of the same traits but is the far superior interviewer.
The dealbreaker for me is the fact that he is not funny
he's not a great comedian. that's why it took him into his 40s to become famous. but he's interesting & insightful. and honest as fuck. stern is a horrible, obnoxious interviewer.
“I had this integrity thing going” is actually a very funny line.
I appreciate both of their perspectives here. I would have done exactly what Jon did, but at the same time I appreciate Marc being so candid about his past behavior and I like to believe that he offered Jon a private apology.
That being said, at least from what I got from this clip, Marc's clearly on the wrong. I completley understand why Jon would rather talk to him privately, and if Marc won't do that, then he's an asshole and he should work that out with Jon.
I guess they did talk privately. Jon is one of the people who has helped Marc, and helped him grow. Wow, Marc was a dick. glad i can laugh about it.
I think he leans forward like that because his pants won't let him sit any other way.
velvet elf shoes vs just-purchased pseudo-work boots ... WHO WILL WIN?
LOL!!
God damn-now this is funny...
velvet elf shoes lose every time!
Also I'd call Marc's shoes hi-top wing tips. Classy boots right there.
I love Maron but the only thing that makes 90% of his life/history/whatever awkward is his own self-absorbed perception of it.
Man, that was exactly what occurs to me every time I sit through his sometimes-funny, mostly-self-absorbed therapy sessions. I'm all for people working their issues out to become more-loving, healthier, more approachable members of a society, but, holy shite, man! A little less corrosion, dear brothaman. Take it easy.
A little less corrosion needs to be the title of his next comedy special.
It's kind of a bit though. I think it's funny. He's just playing up that side of himself.
Walter Voss Maybe. It's no less douchey, though. He's a therapist's wet dream.
I dunno, sounded like back in the day Jon was a little douchey himself. Sounded like he made himself think he was a big deal doing those different (failed) shows before Daily Show. A comic telling another comic, "Shut up, you can't make fun of me anymore" lol wtf? There's no immunity when you make fun of other people for a living, yourself.
I imagine Marc Maron's interview with Wyatt Cenac won't help fix his awkward relationship with Jon Stewart.
Wow, that's nice. I'm always impressed with someone who can be that self aware
and have the courage to admit a flaw. Never fun or easy. He obviously has
integrity.
woah, someone's got his tight pants on
“Me and Louis are good” THAT AGED WELL
I enjoy his comedy, for some reason I can relate to his problems. He's a gifted raconteur who takes risks on the stage that don't always succeed. When he's on point, it can be a Zen experience, cathartic, like watching Thelonius Monk at work. I guess I also have a fondness for L.A. comedians. A big part of his appeal is exploring how messed up he is. He's very up front about. Let there be no doubt about it, he's messed up in so many ways. The kind of person you want to keep at arm's distance.
It's nice to know that pretty much every person that has posted a comment on this video has no real experience or knowledge regarding Marc's career, or the kind of person that he is if you actually meet him face to face. I've liked Marc since I first saw his material on Evening at The Improv on A&E in the late 80's. I think Doug Benson was on the same episode, back then... doing the same jokes he does today.
His perspective was always based on how he was making an ass of himself on accident, and how he dealt with the internal humiliation and conflict that arose from those actions. His visible embarrassment over his words from 2009 says more about him than what all of the people that are siding with Jon Stewart (an almost unapproachable multi-millionaire at this point) seem to appreciate. Marc has nothing to gain from apologizing to Jon other than trying to be a better person and move past the stupid things he's said in the past about a person who didn't deserve it.
Marc is self-centered from time to time, and there's nothing wrong with that, really, but he at least has made an attempt to apologize publicly on his podcast for being a dick to Jon in the past... how can you Hipster idiots not acknowledge how hard that may be to a person with a public persona? Oh, that's right... aside from your retarded facial hair and anachronistic clothing choices that are supposed to be "Ironic", you have no real thoughts of your own on such matters.
I met Marc during my anniversary around 2006 or so when he had his show with Jim Earl on Air America, and I told him that I was the guy that e-mailed him and the town I was from and he shook my hand and thanked me for driving over an hour to see him at the Melrose Improv (Doug was there at the bar complaining about having to pay for his own drinks to a fellow comic). Marc's material was hysterical and honest, and after the show I started to walk out with my girlfriend, Marc went out and called out to me from the sidewalk, and asked me what I thought of the show.
I told him that I have always loved his material, and I really liked his bit from the early ninety's that he re-told in a new way, and he thanked me again for coming down to see him work out new material. I was incredibly flattered that a man that I had always enjoyed and I always thought would work it out to the point that he would be huge, who actually is now, because he deserves it.
If you think that Marc does things only for himself in his interviews, try listening to the interview with Louis CK... that was a very frank and honest conversation on how Marc did things wrong with Louis, and how he wanted to sincerely apologize to one of his best-friends and repair their relationship. I really think that Marc is trying his best to be not only honest with himself, but also with us... and being honest with complete strangers is often really hard on the person who is trying to share.
All I'm saying here is: Ease off on the Judgement... why are so many people on TH-cam such entitled, sanctimonious pricks? You're watching the video, right? It's free, and if you don't like it, than shut the fuck up and move on with your life... Marc or Jon are not he sources of your personal flaws or failings, here. Get over yourselves...
damn,you're not one for brevity are you... LOL...
"Ease off on the Judgement... why are so many people on TH-cam such entitled, sanctimonious pricks?" Good one, pal. Maron and Stewart are both in the "look at me" business. As such they've put themselves out there to be looked at, and ultimately judged .. if only on the merit of their talents. Glad you had a rewarding few minutes meeting the guy .. but it isn't too difficult to see why some find him tiresome and self-indulging. The Louis CK interview was good for one reason .. Louis CK (who, unlike Maron, has a genuine talent for self-reflection without the indulgent crap that Maron lays out daily at the start of his podcast.)
"retarded facial hair and anachronistic clothing choices"
You can see me??!??!?!?!
why the fuck did you just write a novel for a comment. I hate all people like you.
bro a comment is a few sentences. This fool left a god damn article.
You are definitely sitting too close when your head appears in your guest's close up shot.
Maron is the moral, intellectual and emotional version of Pigpen. If you want to stay clean, you should stay at least an arm's length from the guy.
Maron has made a shtick of the fact that he is genuinely an ass. Sort of a variation on what Larry David does, except that Larry David is not genuinely a sociopath.
Maron only wants to apologize to Stewart if he can get a podcast out of it -- he actually didn't take Stewart up on just going for coffee, which is crazy. Anybody else would be glad to go for a coffee with Jon Stewart.
He needs everything to go public! Can't just deal with an issue in private, everyone is probably begging on their knees praying for a public Jon Stewart and Marc Maron make-up lol
For real...I want to know why he rejected that offer. Jon Stewart is a MAN, not a villain in some cheesy horror movie. Marc made him out to be some pathetic caricature that wasn't true and was a distortion of reality, and doesn't even have the time to meet the man, face-to-face, and see him for who he really is, beyond the filter of TV? That's fucking pathetic: Marc is a funny guy, but he's not a good human being, unlike other acerbic comics like Bill Burr and Louis CK.
Eh, I can assure you not everyone wants to go for coffee with Jon Stewart.
Louis C.K. is an exhibitionist wanker lol
Reginald Periwinkle I mean Larry David did some pretty messed up shit behind the scenes and maybe that makes their comedy better?
Good for Jon Stewart for not getting involved.
Lol at maron thinking he's anywhere close to being as smart and talented as Jon
@@andrewwoodward8563 Marc is a great comedian, Stewart is more of a philosopher like Chappelle- so he keeps it real
@@andrewwoodward8563 I love Jon Stewart, but Maron is funnier and a hell of a lot better at acting. Also, Marc is an exceptionally intelligent dude.
Maturity comes later for some than others. Sometimes _too_ late, unfortunately. Any fan who loves them both has been cheated out of that WTF episode and any potential collaborations, but Maron probably cheated himself out of a great friendship.
I get the feeling that that scene in "Louie" with Marc- the one where Louis CK apologizes to Marc Maron and CK tells him that he already did this 5 years ago... That was a actually Marc that did that in real life and they re-imagined it. I get that feeling.
I like Maron quite a bit. But Jon Stewart has always been a class act I feel. He's a lot like Maron in many ways, but much easier to get along with because he's more reasonable for one thing.
That's usually how it goes. People often don't get along with those that are most similar to them. Especially competitive people.
Jon may be the nicer person to get along with. Marc however does the honesty-at-all-costs thing, to an obsessive degree, alienating many people in the process, which I respect about him a hell of a lot more than most comedians.
Is Maron really that honest? He only wanted to apologize to Stewart if it was on his podcast and declined Stewart's offer to go for coffee. It seems dishonest to only want to apologize if it's for public consumption.
Reginald Periwinkle
You could be right. I've never dealt with either of them personally. Although how do we know they didn't have coffee by now?
It could be that the guy who Put's It All Out There is a sneaky and duplicitous guy in person, is only Mr. Honesty for exploitative purposes.
I tend to doubt that possibility, only the shadow knows.
maron wasnt just being "honest" with stewart, just a plain dick to him all the time, calling him a corporate sellout because he had tv gigs while maron himself was on tv, thats more hypocritical than honest
uh no, marc maron was just being young stupid douchebag, mamy comics are how you describe maron, louis ck, joey diaz, patrice o'neal etc but they werent known in the comedic world for being super jealous dicks!
Jon stewart is the reason maron got his first show & maron would just talk shit on stage, the guy was just a bitter jealous person, self admittedly.
The envíe is strong and not resolved since when he had John Oliver on in 2017 he tried to get him to say something bad about John Stewart
? Umm. I don't have anything against Jon Stewart, nor do I entertain jealousy (pretty much the whole point of Buddhism).
I actually like him and his show. I just couldn't watch it anymore because I couldn't stand the idea of America being this much of a joke. He does good work. It's the country I have a beef with.
Anyway, keep on keeping on! :D
Marc is capable of growing more mature every day. It’s been my lifelong struggle, I hope I’m as successful as he is.
Interviewer sitting on the edge of his chair..hugs me...
one of the best of all time
"I gotta resolve that Jon Stewart thing."
Don't worry, Jon Stewart doesn't even know who you are.
Of course Stewart knows who Marc Maron is. They came up together in the industry. They were even friends once. What the hell are you talking about?
depalma24 What has this unfunny hack accomplished besides getting a jacky podcast show which every 15 year old twat and his mother has?
Pete Agassi
Well, he happens to be one of the most respected comedians in the business. He has his own television show which just got renewed for a third season and his podcast is the most-listened to podcast in the world with celebrities lining up to be on his show. Just because you never heard of him doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished a good deal.
Pete Agassi You really need to calm down buddy. I don't think Stewart needs you to individually defend him, or individually attack those that don't like him, on TH-cam. Have some self-respect.
If you don;t know who Maron is then you haven't followed comedy that closely over the last 20-30yrs. That isn;t anyones fault but your own.
www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/12/14/marc_maron_and_louis_ck_on_wtf_the_story_of_the_greatest_podcast_episode.html
0:16 Wow, Jim Ingatowski from the tv show Taxi
3:36 "That guy" Yeah...I can see why Jon isn't interested. There's nothing to be resolved: Maron was just a jealous prick and they aren't friends and won't be.
In the age of self-righteous, immature and uninformed comedians being exalted as intellectual Heroes, it's refreshing to see one being so mature and honest
strombo rides his chair like a magic carpet
You can tell George is *super* cool by the way he sits! wow! whatta cooool cooooool dude! so cool!
Who was the black piano kid that was after this guy? Just wondering if anybody knows
Also, if there's hard feelings over something, I apologize. Whether he accepts it or not is more or less his right.
Looking at some comments I’m thinking :Are we all watching the same thing???!!!
is there anyone marc maron doesn't have an awkward history with?
Yeahhh, Jon is smarter, nicer, funnier, and richer than this Maron guy will ever be. But, hey Mark, it's good to dream.
Yeah, maybe you could get trump over to YOUR garage for something other than bending you over
Well at least marc and I have something in common. We both hate marc maron.
Man that guy is really trying to get close to Maron.
Even in the shots where it's supposed to be Marcs camera that guys head pops in
+Eric Mack i would too if i could hee hee
Him and Jay Mohr both seem to be trying to fix their prior douchebag days with fellow comics.
Is it just me? Or does George Stopolopogus voice sounds exactly like Jon Stewart?
Big fan of WTF, but gee I can’t imagine why Maron was assigned “envy” lol
He did that when Bourdain went on Rogan's podcast
Ironically Maron looks like Stewart now.
Can George be any closer to Marc? Jesus...
He torched bridges and when it serves him to need these famous comics for his show... for his own fame... income... he sheepishly acts like it's redemption or therapy to reconnect... it's no wonder celebrities have no real friends... it's all bs
But they have no problem going on his podcast. They also had no problem with going on his sitcom and getting paid.
like it or not,fair or not,you can't completely hide disdain [genuine or not] behind a facade of comedy. it comes with the territory Marc. you can pull the "i'm just a comic " card only so many times. who's right or wrong,who the hell knows,that's in the eye of the beholder. sometimes,that's simply unanswerable.
The irony is they look like they could be brothers, or cousins. Before I knew who Marc Maron was I thought Jon Stewart had grown a beard, lol!
*I thought Jon...
Marc is real!
Marc Maron is like a more humble Vincent Gallo
So succeeding in show business is selling out? What did Marc mean by that back in the day?
Good for Jon Stewart. Where is it written that you're obliged to field a less appealing comedian's abuse with a sense of irony and then let the guy use you to further his burgeoning late life "career" with an "apology interview"? No matter how much Maron tries to facilitate this "I'm learning to grow up, folks" sincerity on his podcast intros, he's clearly one failed venture away from his old bitterness. Never trust a guy who knows nothing about sports.
Urgh !
I agree with 99% of what you said. But I have met many cool guys who are not sports fans.
Agreed. That was my own knee-jerk reaction. I happen to like a lot of cats, too .. and yet my distaste for Maron's self-absorbed style might make me question this about him. He's had his success these past few years but his "we're all human folks" BS is always just code for "but more about me .."
it's interesting, after listening to his podcast for years, he is a lot less self-absorbed now, like all of his neuroses came from his lack of success in comedy for almost 30 years. he's just not a great comedian. no wonder he didn't become famous until his 40s.
wtf does sports have to do with this..?
Who are the comics Marc Maron had problems with? Other than Jon Stewart, I knew about their thing with Louis CK and that Gavin Mcinnes (not necessarily a comic) doesn't like him.
the answer is more, especially right now that jon stewart supplies are low
its funny, what people seem to hate about marc maron, i love about marc maron. i dont know what that's about....
you're probably also an insufferable asshole.
We insufferable asshole's like him.
Maron is awesome! Point. Blank. Period.
they are comedians and this is part of the act
what is on Strombo's feet?
Maron has been a jerk in past, he’s made mistakes, he’s treated people poorly. I think his reflection and owning up to it is what makes him likable and relatable. We all make mistakes, sometimes you can’t fix them but it’s important to try and learn, grow and move forward.
i like marc maron and john stewart both. so what they had a feud comedy was a competitive field
I like Marc Maron, but I think he's missing something, empathy, self-awareness? It's something basic that can't put my finger on...
Marc Maron is missing self-awareness? Did you bother to what that four and a half minute clip? Because he is very self aware. He understand how jealous he has been, how he acted was wrong, how much of a dick he was. I actually respect someone who understand their faults like that. I'm still not a fan of his podcast but I respect the human being for understanding his shortcomings. That's how you can correct them.
Maron is always owning up to how f'd up he is, or how mean he has been to ppl, to the point of apologizing publicly even. To the point where you're squirming uncomfortably and wishing he had talked to them in private, cuz now you feel like you should probably call your dad and have a heart-to-heart with him and you don't wanna go there man, you do NOT wanna go there! Lol! I agree that Marc's tone isn't "sweet", he he is definitely self aware and somewhat empathetic.
Yea, he fakes being this sentimental guy. Probly just a sociopath... I think Ari took a page straight out of his book when he was blatantly FAKE crying on his podcast .. such fucking creepy fucks
Perma Frost Great qualities to have
Jon Stewart is leaps and bounds funnier
I’m not a gay dude, but Jon Stewart is more attractive. And I think, smarter.
Jon Stewart is a class act to the people he worked with at the Daily Show. He was beloved because he was honest and genuine. Too bad it's taken a guy like Maron 50 years to grow up and learn how deal with jealousy. Its actually pretty effffing sad.
The chairs are actually normal size. Both guys are just pocket sized men.
I bet if he had gone to coffee with Jon he would have gotten him for the podcast. Weird, Marc Maron is the only famous person I have ever exchanged more than 5 words with.
You gotta listen to Stewart on Howard Stern on his side of this. He just.dont .care.
I wanna gibson that earring.
Ugh. I met Marc a few times at the comedy store. Everytime he was an ass.
There are so many more capable comedians.
Maybe you could go on his show, and people could criticize you for being in the fetal position
Those look like the least comfortable chairs ever
I heard it much worse when Marc told this story a couple of years later.
Was Marc sober then?
That's probably why he was angry.
Yeah.
Marc Maron's Awkward History With FILL IN THE BLANK
I'm not a huge fan of Marc Maron's standup...
but I like to hear him shoot the shit,
understand his brand of busting balls/
and overzealous nature.
OK but why is the interviewer sitting like that
I need to know what kind of boots marc has on anybody?
What the heck is up with those elf shoes?
always tell my daughter that if you spend your life capital looking at others and wondering why them and not you, you will have a very joyless, unfulfilling life and come across as bitter. You need to focus on being the best version of you that you can and not compare yourself to anyone else.
Strombo irks me for some reason.
does he?
I like the Maron series better than Louie, but I think Louis C.K. is a better stand up.
The host's rear is so high up in the air. It looks like his weird red seat is the same height as Maron's so why is he so high
does anyone else think that Marc and Jon actually look a lot alike
As a fan of Jon Stewart, this was interesting insight. There's an unpleasant underbelly to Jon that the public doesn't always get to see. It's kind of funny that he denied Marc that forgiveness. Thanks for this moment George Strombob... Stroumbopulopo........ Strombo.
I think the “maybe I’d have a cup of coffee” line draws a distinction between being open to forgiveness, but not be willing to do so on a podcast.
Go fuck yourself. He doesn't owe anyone public forgiveness.
Who's the terminally uncharismatic dude in the elf shoes? Yeesh.
Who doesn't Marc have an awkward history with?
Wow the comments on this post are psycho lol you guys think you know these people personally
Goddamn GET OVER IT MARC
Those chairs dont look comfortable