I Am Worried about Zenless Zone Zero (ZZZ)
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Zenless Zone Zero Started out pretty good, but after only a few hours I was shocked how boring it was getting. Some of that may be because it was only a beta, and my progress doesn't matter. But the combat feels shallow, the TV exploration puzzles are boring, and the game isn't hooking me in - เกม
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Without all the exploration that genshin has, you'd expect this game to be more combat focused. Pretty disappointing
Yep, the TV's and lack of combat is shocking. It feels like 30% of the effort they put into Genshin or HSR. The only thing ZZZ has IMO is their animations are top notch.
Ya ik, what I think they SHOULD OF DONE is did exactly what starrail did with there puzzles if they wanted them in this game. Starrail did the puzzles perfectly cause they are just common sense 4th grade puzzles, that when u solve it in 1min u get a good reward of 20jades, and it makes a little jingle like Zelda games to give u that hit of dopamine to make u feel good, but tv land (in my opinion, and most people's opinion) just sucks cause it takes SO LONG to do, just to get to the combat that which most people want to do, ESPECIALLY if u like this game for how bright and vibrant it is, cause tv land is just so, bland
@@Goujiki facial expressions blow all 3 hoyo games out of the water
Rally commission have zero TVs. The endgame focuses less on TVs and more on combat.
Bros have NEVER played Honkai before it got content. Wild.
Shout-out to the poor mihoyo guy that told Mtashed he would absolutely love this game 😂
Omg that’s what I was thinking 😂
Something tells me that this is another bullshit from mtashed.
Huh?Are you saying like one of the Developer Employee at Mihoyo dreamed about Mtashed would love this game one day then got his dream crushed when hearing this video?
The most important lesson i've learned from playing Genshin and HSR is: "Playing one hoyo game is already too much".
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Yep, tried HSR for a couple of months but quit cause it felt more exhausting than genshin
@@Efgand0894how if hsr is automode
Fr, i dropped HSR after about a month
@@ziebus904that's apart of the reason it got boring for me tbh, I don't think it was the games fault but the autoplay and only 2 skills in a turnbased game set me off and just got exhausting to look at everyday
My only question is, with a name like ZZZ, how did everyone not realize it was going to be a snooze fest?
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@@HikariSakailil bro using twitch emote outside twitch. cringe.
loll
True...
It was originally _NNN_ , then Mihoyo rotated the letters.
I think this game aesthetically is super unique but it kinda just plays exactly like honkai impact
Nah, as a HI3rd player I was expecting something similar, but ZZZ is so casual that I have no desire to play it. Plus, the developers thought that replacing the number of combinations on characters with speed and unlimited QTEs would be cool and would make their work easier, but it feels boring. Also, unlike HI3rd, most of the time we do not fight, but go through TV, walk in the hub and talk with NPCs. Moreover, even if we fight, these battles are just spam of buttons and unlimited QTEs, and the battles themselves last about 100 seconds. The combat in ZZZ is at the level of HI3rd 2.0-3.0, but at the same time it has been sped up and simplified so much that it feels like it is not a Slasher, but just a parody of a Slasher due to the use of mechanics from this genre. I also think it was stupid to separate Roguelike and Slasher into two different gameplays. If we compare the enemies, in both HI3rd and ZZZ enemies are weak, but in ZZZ they are so weak that I can play with two fingers of one hand. Overall, this is the weirdest and most casual Slasher I've ever played. If I choose between ZZZ and HI3rd, I will choose HI3rd because it has the usual classic Slasher mechanics, and after the release of HI3rd Part 2, the combat in the game will become even better, because it will be 3-dimensional
So basically Honkai impact 3rd is better and we should go play that instead, gotcha. When does part 2 come out?
@@Nizen-kf9exI believe it's in February 2024 ! But part 1 of Honkai impact is extremely good, im not sure if part 2 can do better-
hoyo bot.
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Based Comment i started Hi3 again returning basically because of Part 2and it's been so fun mate. Even though its insanly confusing and they still have many outdated mechanics and stuff like the guides. Locking my Stigmata not the letting me do Wishing Spring really showed me that cmon Hoyo. 🥴🥴🥴 Still i wanna give them Love aside from political garbage ☕💗
As always, Mtashed is the most honest cc in the space. Really appreciate your transparency sir.
Tashed man is the true hero we never knew we needed, he gets flatted by the genshin/starrail/any hoyo game stan, so we can run, so we take this opportunity to Salute Mtashed for his Service🫡
@@treasure9342 100%
This is what happens when the CC choose freedom over whatever the company offers them. Im glad both him and tectone went this route. They both criticize the game because they believe in it and this is the only way they can help make the game reach its potential before it launches
Yeah, I know he gets shit from the community because he's not always the most in-depth with his analysis, and he has some unpopular opinions, but at least you know he's gonna say how he really feels.
yup, he could have kept quiet and milked this game but he he's sometimes too honest for his own good
I said it when ZZZ was announced before Star Rail even came out. Mihoyo is cutting their own throat by having multiple gacha game’s doing the exact same thing. Sooner or later one of these games are going to get shutdown because most “normal” people aren’t going to be playing anymore than two gacha games at once. With the amount of overlap between Mihoyo’s player base somethings going to give.
Heck I’ve heard they’re even developing another game, which more than likely it’s going to be another gacha
You're completely right. This is already happening. HSR is cannibalizing Genshin's sales. Even myself, I'm spending more time playing HSR, and spending money in that game rather than Genshin. No way hoyo fans are going to be able to spend their time and money in 3 different games.
They need to give the other games time to breath, they definitely trying to push this game out way to early than I think it should be, I don’t honestly feel like it’s a fully realized product yet
@@mormegil84For sure especially if you’re liking a working adult or individual. Imagine coming home from work and remembering that you have 3 gacha games you need to log into and play, every day…
@@07Lightless3 is too much.. unless zzz is super casual which I’m sure they are not it’s hard to capture adults who are working in their audience. I really wonder who are their target audience? Genshin had its open world for people to enjoy and it’s casual as well but zzz I’m not sure and zzz is similar to HI3 in many ways..
They want to spread many different player groups with colliding opinions from Genshin to their other "games". And i agree, it is a bad idea. But they will continue to spam more gachas and repeat the cycle. Because in the end, Mihoyo only cares about making money, they never cared to make good games.
Basically, ZZZ is a simplified Honkai Impact 3rd.
Ok explain why honkai is more complex......
honkai impact 3rd has less combat that ZZZ
@@ng6635HI3 has a super high skill ceiling. You'll know if you ever played their abyss equivalent on Nirvana difficulty. I have max rank units full gear and can't clear some of them because they require such perfect play
@@ziebus904if you don't play HI3 yourself, let me explain you some things. Character's weapons and gear make the unit 60-80% better. Which means they're extremely gear reliant. Now the problem is, for most characters (especially 5*) you can only get said gear through pulling. Now with that in mind, the Abyss equivalent of HI3 has different difficulty tiers and you can rank up depending on how well you did on the last cycle. The final tier being Nirvana. On Nirvana difficulty, the skill ceiling is so high that having a max rank (sss which is equivalent of c6) with complete gear does not guarantee you a win. Meaning, even if you're a giga whale, you still actually have to play very well to beat it. It's super skill reliant
@@lina.998 so hi3 is just p2w garbage for coomers thats what im reading here
ZZZ has a lot of potential but yeah scrolling through the TVs more than you play the game itself didn’t look very fun.. I hope they take in the feedback and adjust the game a bit.
Knowing Mihoyoverse, I highly doubt it since they're suckers for CN players rather than global.
seeing as how deaf Mihoyo was with Genshin, I doubt they'd change, at least anything significant.
Glad all content creators are coming together to make zzz better, we still have hopes because its in beta state
Doesn't matter if its in beta or not
They can't change the whole game now
Some aspects? Maybe but not the whole game
The thing is it is SECOND beta and its very close to release. They might change it sure, but there is no way they would change the entirety of it cause it will delay the game by another year or even longer. I mean they already put so much effort, side quest and story into that TV thing, ain't no way they just delete all of it
@@Antoinne you are correct all we can do is just hope that hoyo makes the right decision, also i really like zzz so i wish it performs well
It's the most garbage cash crab lmao Hoyo this is way worse then ToF. If you say otherwhise your delusional and stupid. Of course Quality is obviously better becasue Hoyo has a huge Budget. Of course.
@@the_deducternope the Chinese community is pretty satisfied with it and that’s their main market, so I doubt there will be changes it’s only the global complaining
i do agree, the game seems very flash but with little substance, it needs a whole lot of work in various areas, but i also don't think much will change if any they will change the dungeon layouts
Yeah they need to fix the tv stuff. It's super boring
I’m kinda with you on this actually. I get so disappointed every time the TV thing comes up and I don’t know what the point of different characters yet.
I’m a bit behind everyone on the beta so I’m open to it getting better but…I’m worried it won’t be good enough for me to cover.
Are you going to make a video talking about the game Jello?
fr, the beta doesn't change too much upon release so this tv crap isn't going away and the story is all over the place
Hi Jello!!!
yeah you tell them Jello, FIX YOUR GAME HOYO
I was super hype for ZZZ but the more i c different content creators and gameplays, the more i realize the game isnt what i was expecting... im not the targeted audience, i agree with you.
I was so excited to play ZZZ the first few days. By the third day I had to stop using Billy because it felt spammy combat-wise. I pulled Rina and decided to build her out, the building characters part felt good, but once I used her all bosses just got wiped easily and I was back to square one on the combat experience. I have tried to talk myself into playing it again, but it the gating of story progression with stamina killed any chance for me to connect with the characters in the first couple days and want to care about what is going on.
To me the combat is super fun and I enjoy it a lot, but the TVs are super annoying. You spend 20 mins going through the TVs solving random puzzles for only 2 mins of combat. They need to focus more on the combat and less on the puzzles
you prioritized your honesty over the risk of getting blacklisted again,
that my guy, you earned my respect
I’m interested to know what do you think should be done to it to make it better?
For me i think that the less puzzle time the better, and there should be a way to skip the puzzle part tbh i just want to go do the story and combat
if the game is going to model Hi3, they could make it more like hi3 with combat and crazy story elements WITHOUT powercreep imo
I gave some 90 hours to ToF before I finally decided that it's not the game to my liking, so yeah... 4 hours into the start of a new beta that's supposed to be long... you probably can tell that it's not going to deliver much impact at this point. I'm gonna stay neutral until more information becomes available. However, I do feel that with the absence of all those elemental reactions and explorations that make Genshin fun, I do have reservations how ZZZ is going to keep players engaged for the long term if it's just going to be straight jumping into very straightforward combats everytime.
That's really an important part people tend to brush off, this is at the end of the day a gacha game and considering the developer it's gonna be lenghty one meaning that the amount of time you have to put in is gonna be big like always, are you willing to play a game over that amount time if you don't like it? There's no point it that really.
Man I love this guy. It’s a shame he doesn’t get the views he should because he’s honest.
He’s good bro he’s a millionaire with over 900 thousand subscribers lol.
1M subs does not equal 1M dollars @@lorraineviruet8973
It's one thing to have problems and give criticism but when everytime you do it and be negative about it no one will want to watch anymore. Mtashed and Tectone are perfect examples. And despite losing views and respect of Hoyoverse and community the games continue to be at the top of their success while they destroy their own success it's fun to watch.
maybe cos in the real world nothing is perfect, and theres usually is something that can be criticized, idk just a thought
@@QueenKafkaSimp maybe if u havent realised these gacha games u praise so much have major issues since day 1 that hoyo have refused to touch at all. If those aspects arent changed then why should mtashed and tectone change their attitude suddenly to positive? Give genshin similar endgame and qol to hsr and their attitude will get better towards the game. Currently there isnt a reason to be positive about genshin as a 3 yo dedicated player. The only part of the comunity that has lost respect of mtashed is the hoyo white knight parade like u. Most of us actually respect him because of his honesty and transparency that u dont appreciate.
Funnily enough u only seem to enjoy cencored cc from the cc program that have to be positive or else they get kicked lol. U respect ur filter bubble more than honesty and that says a lot about u.
0:10 "there's a pretty happy Mtashed." But 'on screen' Mtash's expression be like 💀
You didn't mention it, but in an earlier video you mentioned that Mihoyo rep told you that this game is for you. So if your not enjoying it, the game may have real issues capturing an audience. The only thing I might disagree with is the whole team building. This is a character action game so you wont have the same team building as Genshin. However, I think characters need more combo routes to spice up the game play. And yeah, heard the same issue about TVs. Would rather have a rougelike than more puzzle. I think this game needs some more time in the oven to be honest.
Gameplay is just empty and souless. Chinese cant make anything good gameplay wise
That rep is definitely troling, this game is far from his mmo tastes.
@@lakindugunasekara9814 Either that or it suggest the rep doesn't know what he's talking about, and that's kind of concerning, too.
@@itsaUSBline nah they know what they sell most of the time and it's a gacha at the end of the day, while mtashed wants a mmo.
I dont think any Hoyo rep even spoke to him lol
Maybe if they add some chain ultimate or chain skill, it will be fun. Obviously need to add more exploration option other than tv spinning whatsover
I was hyped when i saw the announcement trailer, then i learned it was instance based like going through levels and my hype died down lol.
bruhh same, i would have loved and open world game in this setting and with this art style
curious, have you played aether gazer coz i havent seen any videos of u playing it, if yes how is it compared to zzz?
We APPRECIATE UR HONESTLY. And I'm 100% AGREED!
I just don’t understand how the game lacks an identity entirely, and why the enemies are so incompetent in the “combat” game
That is definitely the biggest opinion from beta I have seen. It sucks because if there was a stronger direction people wouldn't be as disappointed.
Honestly, aside from the characters and their designs, nothing about this game interests me all that much. The combat is decent, but doesn't look as fun as Genshin's combat and I'm positive I'll get bored of it pretty quickly, especially with how the game itself is designed with 0 open world, instead it's just rooms you enter and fight enemies in an arena. The UI and menu is also boring to me, the same can be said for the summoning style they went with and god awful TV minigame nonsense, plus the way items look in the game like Cores for weapons and bangobears or whatever. I'm not a fan. Might still check it out, but I doubt it's something that will manage to grip me long term
Really hope one day a game comes out that Mtashed actually enjoys. All the content that you make when you’re having fun is fantastic. It feels really sad as a gamer to wait for a new game, get hyped, try it out, then realize it’s not for you.
I was also excited for this game since the reveal, but watching the gameplay made me take huge step back. I’ll probably play it once in a while because of anime + flashy combos/attacks, but if the combat is not that engaging, I’ll pass. Already spent my time playing Genshin Impact and hoping for some more combat content, only to be let down. I don’t want to go through that again.
exactly, I totally agree
there are plenty of game that Mtashed actually enjoys, the problem for him is that those games don't get as much views as these kinds of gacha games so he doesn't do it since it's his job.
feels like wuthering waves will be a breath of fresh air for tashed
So true, bruh. I Just tried Kuro's PGR couple weeks ago and the combat is top-notch. Even if let's say I get used to all PGR Bosses' mechanics and perfectly dodge, the animation of every single char is so so Flashy, aggressive and satisfying, which keep me hooked every single time. I hope they will do the same with WW and MTashed would love it.
P.s: I will be SUPER disappointed if Kuro makes WW somewhat of a same game as Genshin because I don't take pleasure in another 'Genshin' cloned game.
I think it's very brave of you to do this video, and it shows that you really care about Hoyo and us. Nice one!
I am bored with the TV maze section, it takes up too much of the game (not even due to difficulty, just repetitive in the worst way) just to get to do a little bit of fighting. I think it has potential but if the tv section doesn't change I don't know if I want to go through it again upon release. There are some other smaller issues but this one is the worst for me.
I don't even see endgame being important in this. The game seems very casual which doesn't surprise me as hoyo found itself a big market right there. I was so excited for the game but the things I saw tampered my expectations so much it's unreal.
I don't feel like casuals from genshin and HSR would even try this game as much, yk?
When people asked for a 'skip' button, this isn't what they meant.
Loved the video man, you kept it so real. At the end of the day I’m here because I genuinely like your personality not because of the game you play. Hope it all works out and regardless I’ll be here! Love the channel man.
RATHER PLAY AND SUPPORT THE TEAM AT NIKKE.
Everyone in this game is a DPS or something very similar. That’s….really boring and prime for power creep after a few months of play.
Another proof that you absolutely do not understand how video games are developed. Have you learned the new word "powercreep", and now you're trying to seem smarter than you really are?
@@broccoli5176 sorry didn’t realize I needed to check my every word with the TH-cam comment Nazi. You might wanna spend that time however, looking up “bridges near me” that you can use to crawl back under…
@@broccoli5176 They are right though. let's say in gacha game a, you have the roles, of tank, healers, and dps, and you can only make one character per patch. That means you have the opportunity to delay powercreep for the other 2 roles, while powercreeping one role at a time. Now in gacha game b, you only have dps, meaning that everytime you release a new character, literally every other character gets powercrept since you only have one role ingame. That's the issue with zzz right now, if the release a new ice character later down the road, all other ice characters will get powercrept.
You're not alone in this Tashman, other content creators have voiced their complaint about the game.
Also, with regards to the story - no spoilers - Chapter 1 is kind of boring but Chapter 2’s story is honestly MUCH better with regards to lore, characterization, and presentation
The issue with this however is the insane amount of side quests you have to do to get there, I’m getting absolutely exhausted doing TV missions over and over and over again just to get to 20 minutes of hype like you said
the story is just all over the place for chapter 1
Like the opposite of star rail lol
I think they simply need to switch place for combat and tv thing. What I mean is, more exploration and combat in story and stage/world, then solve puzzle on stage. Y'now, walking and fight more on story mode/stage then find some connection station to hacked and solved short puzzles, get reward or buff for next fight with more harder enemies, then go back to combat. Even if they make puzzles difficult, as long as we got more combat, should be no problem.
It’s another Mihoyo game, Mihoyo stans will say the game perfect and doesn’t need any improvement
Edit: Specifically referring to Genshin Stans just for clarification
Not really, this game received a lot of criticism even hoyodogs content creator can't even hide that they don't like the game.
@@tidf-wh1zgnot liking the whole game and telling to improve the aspects of the game are both different thing
The heck are you talking about XD no one is harder on Hoyo games than hard-core Hoyo fans. They live and breathe the game, and constantly complain about shortcomings of the game. 95% of the memes making fun of hoyo games and its community, are by its fanbase XD
They criticize even more than the haters who don't even play the games, but can't stop whining about them
I think the thing everyone agrees on is that, TV land sucks
@@Elio-nu3fzCN or Global. It's still the same game right? Do Hoyoverse want to make money with Global server? Absolutely yes. Then they need to hear global player's opinion too
He only played story mode
he is like giving his opinion while being level 9 in genshin u know
but i guess his opinion is still fair for the early game
Wish it wasn't that case
Really thought after the whole genshin no endgame situation this would be the one but it really needs some work. Great vid man hopefully we get some banger improvements.
Also hoyo Stans gotta understand, we want this game to succeed it aient like we wanna complain for no reason we just want the best for this game.
I'm really praying for ZZZ success, I like its world, design, and characters so much more than the previous hoyo games. I hope they can fix the gameplay issue.
also, if you watch other streams, you would notice that running story consumes Resin/stamina system which could gate you more than Genshin and HSR does. maybe i'm wrong? i didn't like Snake, nor puzzles. i wanted combat too. ZZZ is not for me in this case. Project Mugen seems to have everything players like. exploration, open world, combat etc. we will also have games like duet night abyss, wuthering waves, arknights endfield, Honor kings world. - these are great games to watch out for.
I have a feeling that the idiots who create project mugen are spending money to buy dumb comments praising a game that doesn't even have a gameplay, instead of developing that shit, lmao@@lsnexus2080
Apparently it's VERY well received in China. So i don't think they're gonna be implementing any changes to please the western fans
sad
WHO TFQ SAYS THAT😂😂😂 cn is as bad as we
Thanks for being honest and sharing your opinion. Hope they improve the game by release because I really think the combat looks fun and I want to try it out and have a good time with it.
i'll bet money not a lot will change with this game between now and launch and the section of the game we're getting at launch is already done and they're just working on the updates now.
I guarantee if that happens it will be a significantly less people playing it in comparison to HSR &Genshin. Since, there's only so much gacha's someone is willingly playing nevertheless interested in. Plus if they don't capture an audience like genshin and star rail they won't get big at all (in comparison to other hoyo products).
@@spiderace7994 I expect minor changes to characters kits and stuff like that but the core of the game is already set if it’s a button masher it’s gonna stay a button masher
Hey fam, great video, I’m in the current CBT2 and I honestly agree with everything you have to say here. I’m thinking of making a video just because I’ve enjoyed you and Tectone’s takes in this game and would like to talk about why I agree. Thanks for the inspiration mate, no matter what you play I always love your content. Keep being honest and real just as always, that’s what we’re here for!
Major respect for you my dude. I am just waiting for you to pick up a game you like and watch content of you enjoying a game and having fun. You're not forced to play gachas. Pick anything you like and have fun
I told him that he can just record himself playing FF7 remake or another console game. It doesn't have to be gacha all the time but he doesn't seem to listen and just continues to play gachas and then complain about it.
And people really saying Genshin is a ded game when the UI and combat is on next level compared to any mobile games
Well you ain’t the only one brother. Did you see tectones video? He was way harsher than you. Even when I watched videos showing off the characters and the ultimates, it did seem very samey. I just assumed maybe they unlocked more to their kit later on?
When I´ve heard that you can only progress the main- AND side stories by spending resin/stamina this game was an instant skip for me...
The reason a few people talk about ZZZ is the game artstyle and atmosphere is vast different from other Mihoyo games which are mostly anime like but there is no unique about it cuz the gameplay is basically the same as Honkai impact. Also, Project Mugen, better version of ZZZ is coming out.
Can't wait to see more gameplay from Project Mugen!
@@Duncanate It's so funny to watch idiots who really believe in Project Mugen, while having nothing in front of them but a weak trailer in which there is not even a real gameplay.
@@broccoli5176 you will laugh at this comment in a year from now and enjoy the game, just like we all will do. Sometimes you got to be a believer homie fr
@@ConFect99Lmfao, hilarious, I remember people like you commenting this exact sentence back before the release of tower of fantasy, cant wait for history to repeat itself 🤣
@@Aiden-iy9du Can‘t wait for you to be proven wrong. TOF was doomed to fail from the start, due to them ignoring the powercreep and making every older character obsolete. Project Mugen might just be what people are looking for. Unlike ZZZ, which is also kind of doomed atm, this might evolve into something fun
You summed up the problem with new gachas perfectly at 8:00! I dropped HSR after a month because I knew deep down, I don't want to do what it takes to play this game - that's WORK! We are not super sweaty players, but we're also not the ones who only login whenever they remember to and pull whatever looks shiny. We want a game to be invested in, that returns what we are able to put into it.
Exactly why single player offline games or maybe even multiplayer games like fortnite are much better than cash grabs like ZZZ sleepy app here.
Im more hype for HI3 part 2 than ZZZ
Exactlyyyy I think this game will be the new best especially with this amazing story it has by the first part
Yeah, hoyo at least has got some of their crap together on that game. There's issues with powercreep and keeping up with story content, but I think pt 2 might be able to rectify the issue.
@@shadowboi8620 power creep is a systematic problem of HI3 and PGR formula, it can be fixed only by removing leaderboards(it's not possible, really) or full revamp of combat system(now characters are hard-locked into one or two roles, isn't flexible to build, and in MA/Abyss you as a player hard-locked into certain element/type). And they said that Abyss is here to stay, so yeah.
@@GolgothianSylex I don't mean completely stopping it all together, but at least trying to delay it more. In pgr for example, every other patch debuts an a-rank or a trancendant, both of which aren't meta, so you get the opportunity to save on those patches, and then you'll have enough gacha currency to pull on every s-rank banner. They could also do more things, like buffing older characters and giving out more gacha currency.
@@shadowboi8620 buffs in PGR are worthless for metachasers(Crimson Alpha is worse than Balter even with buff), agony3 players in HI3 could play even with HoV. And global Red Lotus can afford some funny things too. With A-ranks and Transcendants there is different problem, you may like the character, but they are not usable in high-end content(my Transcendants had very low deploy rate). There is really no "good solution" for this, it is bad in both cases.
This game target is only one : casual. 80% of the gameplay is moving on TVs , and the fight encounters , almost all of them, can be skipped as well (which such a flashy, good looking combat system, is heresy ). Another huge "just why" part , its the gacha system NOT working on this game at all. How can people spend hundrends , thousands of dollars on ZZZ, when the character you simp for its not even visible on screen for 90% of total playtime? The minigames are very good, which proves my point about the real target of this game. Good for people looking about a funny game, and spend 0 dollars on. Bad for the whales of previous Hyv titles.
I just can't see myself playing the game with all those TVs.
Hoyo will make another 30 games before they add meaningful endgame content to genshin
it seems Genshin is genuinely good afterall.
Crazy how he gets blacklisted for just being honest. Doesn’t make you look very good Hoyoverse. He’s just telling how HE feels, he’s not telling people to NOT play it that’s two very different things. It’s up to the viewers to make choices of their own.
ngl i only see cc on twitch playing arcade games 😂
I just love your opinions on games, it resonates so much with me. In the current days where so called streamers and influencers are so dishonest just to "farm" the content to a point they wont even critic the obvious bad things in game. Thanks a lot for your true and honest opinion, it means a lot.
lmao. As if mtashed is at least a little honest with you. He just throws shit at the fan and keeps playing because it gets him views.
@@broccoli5176 yeah but at least he's not LYING about it for the company, ofc he's going to farm the game because he got a family to take care of, right now he said he needs the money due to building a new house since he got an another kid
Really glad that Tears of Themis is just chillin' in a corner.
He said the same thing with star rail 😂
TY for saying it! Valid constructive criticism!
Love your vids! Always very informative (wish people would mention Genshin less in ZZZ videos but meh). Please keep cranking out new and interesting content!
Thanks for sharing your view of the game.
Sometimes, I get so frustrated by the puzzles, I just leave even if it means losing resin/power. For how smooth and fun the combat is, spending 70% of my time clicking on TV screens is not something I see myself doing long term
Tbh I really like the game graphics, but I just really don’t like the tv puzzle, it gave me anxiety ngl😂😂, the characters design is like a meh for me, I prefer genshin aesthetic more😅
You are worried about everything, Mtashed
I don't always agree with you dude, but I'm with you on this one. It's going to get old fast. I can only imagine it's one of two things. Either they are trying to make a game you only need to play sporadically so they don't eat into their other games, or is a simpler game for a younger audience.
Where they went wrong is making another tag/swap-in action game like hi3 instead of something like an ai controlled party based game like aether gazer.
Or even better, no party at all and make it like DMC Combat.
Or a tower defence like Arknights but in 3D and more budget.
I think you completely described the game perfectly near the end, it feels like a mobile game. And even though genshin and HSR are also mobile games they don't feel that way at all, genshin with its massive open world and HSR with its combat related events and gorgeous 3D models it just kind of feels like a PC game ported over to your phone meanwhile ZZZ looks (and probably feels as well based off what I have some some other content creators say) like a full blown mobile game. While watching some streams I also felt the "TV exploring" was so tideous like I would of prefered the basic way of just a menu and entering each stage individually like PGR and Aether gazer rather than having to "explore" yet through some snake simulator that isn't that engaging. The only thing I see most people actually like is the character design and even then I feel its not as strong as it could be considering the game has a higher rating than the last 2 games they have released and yet it looks like all they did it with it was have 3 big titty characters and 1 of them already got nerfed. At that point what was the reason of getting a higher rating only to censor the only thing you are using the rating for? Cause they ain't swearing either or doing edgier things in the story. I hope Hoyo does listen and do some adjustments but I do agree that with the current state its in its gonna be repetive very quickly and the fact that its way to different compared to genshin and HSR I doubt they will be able to play that card again (Having a large portion of the genshin fandom also hooked on HSR) I don't see that happening for this game.
I don't think anyone is gonna read all of that.
@@glazedgooch4546I read about 80%. I got the gist of it. Disagree about the game “looking like a mobile game”. Only the tv part does imo
@@SayWaaaaaah they never said it looks like a mobile game, they said it FEELS, like a mobile game, mainly meaning the mechanics of the game and how the action slows down cause of mobile controls
@@treasure9342 he said “meanwhile ZZZ looks like a full blown mobile game”
I agree 100%. The colors look washed out too because of that stupid filter over everything.
This game isn't fit for release in 2024, not with all of the other good mobile games coming out.
Mihomo about to take a massive L
Pretty much yeah.
If this "Tv exploration" is mayor part of gameplay, then just screw it. Gacha games are, indeed, one of the highest commitment requiring games.
The threshold is high. And ZZZ had tripped.
800 free jade. Wow
Hoi. ^^
Funny, Mtashed get's "mobile game vipes" from a mobile game. :P But nvm.
I agree, games which "get better later" do have a problem. I do not want to play a game for 30 hrs and than the fun starts. The game should be fun from the beginning to the end.
There are more examples which have this "problem". The Xenoblade Chronicles Series is one of them.
Let's hope the game gets changed and Mtashed not blacklisted again. Otherwise we can prepare for more negativity in his videos, because of frustration. That would suxx.
Have a nice Christmas time.
Wbr, shnoopx
I didn't play the beta but I completely understand what you mean. Here's hoping it all turns out fine.
I do agree it does feel monotone on the TV part I thought it would be more like cult of the lamb style where you can choose the paths
Ever since Genshin was released and achieved enormous success, Hoyo just keeps copy-pasting their formula into all of their games (HSR and ZZZ).
To be fair, HSR and ZZZ are just reskinned games of Genshin that are set in different universes, in my opinion.
I'm not saying it's bad, but the inherent problems caused by the formula will also be inherited to all of their future games and cause the same problems we experienced in Genshin, like the lack of playability and endless grinding of artifacts.
People are already tired of stucking in the artifact prison, and there's something with Gacha games which is it becomes extremely tiring to play 2+ Gacha games at a time. To switch to a new Gacha game like ZZZ, players may need to give up their current Gacha game like Genshin/HSR but it's still the classic old Hoyo formula. People are just giving up the current prison and locking themselves in a new one.
Also, you rarely see criticisms towards Hoyo on Chinese social media because you get more views by being a Hoyo shill. Hoyo became so big that many players will just eat anything they release. Hoyo is no longer a small indie company and should be held to higher standards. Feel free to correct me.
This is such a huge issue when it comes to Hoyo's games. Ever since Genshin, they've just been doing the same. Like overloading the story with filler and terrible writing, half baking the endgame, combat never really getting harder, artifact grind, and so many minigames. I spend more time just reading and playing some kindergarten level puzzle than actually playing the game.
So you’re telling me you would find the golden formula to an extremely profitable and talked about game you wouldn’t milk it?
There not reskins they all have there uniqueness that gives them there own factors saying just a reskinmis bonkers, but ur right on them just way to similar, cause even though we all love HsR and it's just improved so many of genshins systems, it is just turned based genshin impact, but at end of day, I would genuinely have these games gearing systems over hi3rds "f2p freindly" system where I grind half the year for a top teir stigmata set..............but dosent matter all of these games gearing systems are shit
@@treasure9342 couldn’t have said it better myself
They're waiting for Persona 3 Reload and Persona 6 to release, so they can take notes and implement them to their upcoming games
have you tried Reverse 1999? Its a turn based game that is different from HSR, please do try it, would love to see how it plays out for you
I've been feeling the same way since the first CBT and I never had personal experience playing ZZZ, but I have played HI3. And this looks like HI3 with improved graphics/artstyle but easier combat system. I am not feeling the hype.
Mtashed: im worried
Nicole: I'm the diamond, i'm the ring!
thanks for being honest, u did ur job as a CC and we really appreciate it.
from an outside perspective of someone that's just watching beta gameplays of upcoming games, i honestly think Wuthering Waves is (in the simplest and kindest of terms) ZZZ's combat taken and put into an open world setting, which is exactly what this game is extremely lacking so far.
Atm, it isn't overly complicated to grasp as with genshin reactions, the combat is simple to understand yet can be satisfying to master.
The combat is similar in the terms that both games have the same switch in mechanic with the QTE swap in as well.
Also, the weird decision of ZZZ's parry to work only based on the swapping or something that I've heard though is a wacky mechanic.
I love kuro for implementing such a good feeling parry system in their boss fights in PGR, and WW will probably be no different.
The only thing that's lacking for Kuro Games and WW is the standard hoyoverse character designs which is personal preference for the most part. For example, I hate the way nicole and how her facial expression animations look. It's just so weird and abnormally ugly without it being actually ugly.
The bear is the chad.
The wolf, while a furry, is dripped out, and I like dripped characters.
Billy, he's cool. He does a lot of yappin.
If ZZZ just increases the amount of combat opportunities, it's a solid enough casual game albeit with clear flaws.
At the same time, here's hoping WW's soon to be cbt2 blows us away.
What do you think of arknights endfield? they got more coverage on the content now :) looks promising!
I haven't been actively looking for opinions about ZZZ, but the opinions I've come across so far largely express similar sentiments of being underwhelmed.
...Which is fine by me, I guess. I don't have the time for three gacha games, and I've already got enough eggs in the HSR and Genshin baskets.
For the sake of people who don't mind playing gacha games but don't like HSR or Genshin, I hope HoYo makes ZZZ into something great. But we'll see.
I've seen alot of the same critism from other creators so u are definitely not alone, especially that the minigames are more interesting then the main roguelike gameplay.
I'm curious how this one will turn out to be at launch.
@LeoMods_ Lets hope they can do more then that ;) but regardless, i'll give it a go.
I hope it flops, Mihoyo needs a wake up call.
9:59 had to rewatch this part 'cause it sounded like you said "the TITS of the characters" lol because if i try this game that will be the only reason
Its still in beta lets hope they improve the game i want to try it when it comes out
Try Aether Gazer, that game is all the way button mashing and people still like it 😅 but that puzzle definitely annoying .
It might be cuz hoyo love to lock essential parts of characters kits behind the lvl (like heal on fu xuan for example).
And while in genshin we still have exploration and in hsr we just beat content longer, in zzz battle is only real gameplay and if characters doesn't work how they intended to be, u literally don't have content
For me tho, i never interested with this game honestly. I just like Genshin and HSR better they are like so much better. But of course its just my preference and i like both states the game currently in
I like the style a lot, so interesting looking, but as of right now, do I want to play it...eh. 🤷🏻♀
Genshin is taking my gacha game time. I don't even log in to Star Rail all that much either and I really like turn base combat too.
I only have time for one gacha. 🤣
Is Honkai impact 3rd combat better to you ?
Will you be covering AK endfield by any chance? Or it's not your cup of tea
Visually the game looks good but the TV thingy is so boring and the combat dont look fun at all (for me)
If ZZZ is going to be a combat based game then I do feel it’s lacking.Its still beta,so hoping for the best.
Great take. I can agree. I usually don't post about this game or other Hoyo games because Hoyo games are not meant for me so there is no value to criticizing them. They have elements that I absolutely love, but they are just shallow hints. The lion's share of the game time are elements I hate with passion making the overall experience extremely disappointing like an all-you-can-eat buffet overflowing with raw veggies and one tiny little container of bacon.
The worst part is that Hoyoverse baited me with A Post Honkai Odyssey (a completely F2P mode in HI3 that many at the time thought was the prototype for the then in-development OW ARPG we now know as Genshin). APHO was, and still is, the finest action-combat experience I've ever played, which is saying A LOT. There was SO much beauty to that combat system. Combat actually took place on the OW map and navigating the environment was part of combat. The combat system included: parries, perfect dodge, perfect JUMP dodge, charged attacks that were relevant, ground to air combos, air combos, team air combos, pounce combos, special team chain combos from MULTIPLE different skills and combos, timing based perfect damage skills (special effects for pressing or releasing buttons at the right time), skill trees for each character with a gear like buff system that had a REASONABLE RNG rate, multiple ultimates for each character that had individual skill paths and buffs, grapples and grapple combos, and bosses with skill-based mechanics that even with all those combat tactics still took precision, practice, and focus to defeat (with no cheap hits). I'm not exaggerating--if you haven't played it, at least watch it and you will see why Genshin Impact was, for me, the most disappointing game of all time. Not because it's bad in any way, but because of what Hoyo made me expect they meant by OW action-combat game. In comparison to APHO, Genshin felt like turn-based combat where you essentially just summoned a character watched two animations (or one) and summoned the next character on the team. Enemy in the sky? Nothing you can do. Perfect dodge? More likely to be a DPS loss than just tanking the damage or spamming animations. Combos? Normal attacks are absolutely useless for 95% of the cast, which includes half of the character animations, plunge attacks, normal attacks, and charge attacks. You can't even plunge attack on 90% of the cast in 99% of combat since it occurs in domains and the abyss. Yes, unbelievably disappointing in it's simplicity not to mention that you only get 20 minutes of meaningful combat every patch (two floor 12 abyss).
Then came HSR which I didn't even try because it's what Genshin felt like just without the wasting all your stamina (and dps) running around herding enemies. I'm not surprised the Genshin loyal all enjoyed it so much. There's no question of the development quality, it's just the gameplay depth that is shallow. The reaction system does not count as gameplay depth. The reaction system is that X + Y = DMG. Y + Z = DMG. X + Z = DMG. U + Y = FREEZE and everything else is a mistake. It's a complex damage system, but the gameplay is EXACTLY the same. I had given up hope for Hoyoverse, as they are clearly not targeting me with their games, and ZZZ had the potential to have the depth of APHO, but it does not seem to. Everyone says the combat looks amazing and, of course, it does. But, amazing combat, to me, feels amazing because there is some mechanical challenge to execution that requires mastery that goes beyond "yellow flash = dodge/switch." Everything else is just watching really cool animations. I think that's just what Hoyo wants, because mechanically challenging games will NEVER be as popular as Candy Crush. Too many people have zero interest in mastering mechanics and execution. 90% of the leading Genshin ccs clearly and admittedly cannot dodge to save their lives. That's why the game does not require it so as not to push those players away.
So, I agree with what you were expressing. It's the lack of mechanical mastery and tension (combos and techniques that require focus that make them so satisfying to execute) that just makes the beautiful flashy combat shallow to actually play, especially for a considerable period of time. The game will still do very well, though, just like Genshin and HSR and for the very reason that gamers like us do not like it, because it won't take more than 15 minutes to master and won't actively reject players based on skill (that rejection does not mean that they shouldn't or can't play, it means that they have to improve to progress).
Hm... They are implementing APHO mechanics on the main game now alongside air combat and large maps (I'm pretty sure APHO was not made to test Genshin but the older open world maps like Sakura Samsara)
I do agree with genshin's criticism but HSR has really good gameplay and does really well what it is trying to be that is being a turn based RPG, I don't believe a game should be extremely hard because bo game is made this way, even the hardest games have easy modes like Magic in Souls Games, you aren't required to use all weapons in DMC you can beat the whole game using only one
@@Vekysus APHO mechanics in what main game? ZZZ? I don't think you even have a jump button do you? (I didn't play)
I'm also not sure what you meant by the second part, did you mean that the open world maps like Sakura Samsara were the prototype for Genshin? Not APHO?
Next, I have to be clear, I'm not criticizing Genshin or HSR. I'm simply not the target audience.
HSR is probably the best version of a turn-based gacha game. I just l do not like turn-based gachas because they are shallow by design compared to b2p turn-based games in terms of character freedom and flexibility, which is the best part to me.
Lastly, I'm not really asking for more difficulty just more complexity to the combat. APHO wasn't excessively difficult. But the fun came from complexity of abilities and gameplay.
@@nottyseel949 Honkai Impact 3rd part 2 will implement air combat like apho and change how supports work + the story maps will have semi open world environments like apho, all the new gameplay mechanics are taken from APHO 2 including the ring that when used enhances the character skills
And yes Sakura samsara was more of the prototype for Genshin, it's pretty primitive when it comes to exploration and combat, unlike APHO
@@Vekysus Ah, gotcha. 👍
Sounds and looks more like a beat'em up. Mash button combos and once you get a routine, just do that. That does get dry very fast unless there's a narrative/world/progressions system around it that's fun, like say Yakuza.
Ah, fellow Yakuza enjoyer! One thing that also make yakuza games fun is the upgrade system that unlocks new moves and combos. Buttttt then again, this is a gacha game lol