Is Crystal Palace F.C. the world's oldest professional football club?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 เม.ย. 2020
- It has always been believed that Crystal Palace Football Club was formed in 1905. With the help of author Peter Manning, Palace TV's Chris Grierson searches for the truth. A truth that will re-write the club's history books and reveal that not only was cricketing legend WG Grace a key figure in the formation of the professional club, but a claim can also be made to be the oldest football club still playing professionally.
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Does this mean we technically are part of the English Game on Netflix?
The English game was long after the Crystal Palace Football Club was formed. And NOT a true account of FA Cup.
Oh ffs palace, I have a 1905 tattoo 🤦🏻♂️🤨😭
😂😂
So become a cheski fan🤣they formed 1905🤢
U can get that corrected
soon to be a scar
Very enjoyable film, thanks to everyone involved in making this happen. Some fabulous museum exhibits with the tankard and the minutes book from the 1st FA meetings. Chris Grierson is a great presenter.
Certainly some compelling arguments there! Great video too. Crystal Palace FC 1861
An entertaining and informative watch. There is no qualification or query in the language used within Crystal Palace's Professional Team Handbook (1906) when it directly references that this is the very same team to have been playing in the seasons from 1873-76. The same Palace team - from those earlier seasons - had then supplied international players for England. The writer of that article in 1906 couldn't have guessed how significant their words would become over a century later - as digitisation brings their words to life, TH-cam takes them a worldwide audience, and Crystal Palace fans clamour to get the attention of the Football Association!
I was expecting a load of cr*p, but got the opposite - an excellent piece of journalism.
Excellent production Alan and Sean. I've been a supporter since the 1960s, although for some gruelling periods of hopping up and down between the first flight and the second, it made me feel as if I'd been supporting from the 1860s! It's really great to see Palace now established in the Premier League with a directorial board capable of cementing their status and expand the club's ambitions. Kudos to Steve Parish. As for oldest club? Munich 1860 of the Bundesliga might have a story to tell. Thanks again for the great video documentary - it made me feel glad all over!
Munich 1860's football team wasn't formed until 1899
@@ykabash Professionally, yes, 1899. However, much like the forefathers of Crystal Palace, the 'team' on an amateur basis was around from 1860. From Wikipedia:
The roots of the TSV's founding as a physical fitness and gymnastics association go back to a meeting held 15 July 1848 in a local pub, Buttlesche Brauerei zum Bayerischen Löwen. It was a time of revolutionary ferment due to the 1848 Revolutions, and the club was banned in 1849 by the Bavarian monarchy for "republican activities". The club was formally reestablished on 17 May 1860 and after mergers with a number of other local associations in 1862 was known as Turnverein München. A football department was created on 6 March 1899 and played its first matches against other squads three years later.
But then you can't always rely on Wikipedia!
@@ChrisWEJohnson but read it carefully, it says the football department itself wasn't formed until 1899 (doesn't say they were playing amateur football before that), so from 1860-1899 it was only competing in other sports and not football, so the football team can't claim those years. It would like Palace trying to claim 1857 which was the cricket club founding and not 1861 which was the football club founding, wouldn't work
Yaseen Kabash Agreed.
If football was invented in England, you cannot have a German oldest football club!
Can you.?
Fascinating. Excellent video. Highly professional production. 👍🏼
Excellent production. Well done to all involved.
Crystal palace for life!!!
Wow Crystal Palace!!! These facts are very interesting 🤔 Loving the content. Hope to see Selhurst Park soon BYE!!
Are they facts? 🤔
TKB 👍
I would say the fact that we were at the founding fathers meeting when the FA was formed says all you need to know. We are the oldest surviving football club!
Still 4 years off that even if you accept this claim.
Andy Dixon well we’re the oldest league club 😂
I'd still say it's not the same club but as a Sheffield FC fan I don't mind that much either way 😁⚽️
Andy Dixon Sheffield fc oldest club no doubt but palace deserve its recognition to be back dated
Excellent work Super Chrissie Grierson👏👏.....fast becoming a Palace legend 🔥🔥🔥
Very interesting and at first glance quite convincing. And somehow it partially resembles the history of the Football Club Spartak Moscow. Now this football club has its history from the Moscow Sports Club (MKS) -1922. But it turned out that this club is legally the Russian Gymnastics Society Sokol (Falcon), officially founded in May 1883. And football appeared in the Russian Gymnastics Society in 1897. And The history of the Russian Gymnastics Society Sokol (RGO Sokol) was maliciously forgotten due to communist repressions during the Soviet Union in 1923-1954.
That is, Football Club Spartak Moscow is essentially the oldest football club in Russia.
Lol, what a creepy logic. Zenit FC training center is based at Udelny park and connected historically with Kolomyagy sport society and Imperial sport fields there, including Gymnastics Society founded with the park at 1832. These claims are so crrrrap only CSKA bosses can approve =)
@@NikolayPanteleev Here the theme itself is on a different plane.
FCSM leads its history MKS (Moscow Sports Club) -1922. But legally, the MKS = RGO Sokol, and already since 1920. And the liquidation of the Sokol movement in the USSR is 1923. And the liquidation of bourgeois clubs in Moscow - 1923 (in Leningrad - this is 1924) That is, the liquidation of the Russian Gymnastic Society Sokol in March 1922 was not.
RGO Sokol and the MKS have the same athletes (not just football players), the same leadership. The same red and white colors. The same place of basing - the Krasnopresnensky district of Moscow. Even the emblem of Spartak was taken from the emblem of the Russian Gymnastic Society Sokol. And the license to perform in the Moscow Football League in March 1922 in Class B was awarded to the MKS from RGO Sokol, because in 1921 it played in Class B. (Class A - the strongest, B - the average and V - the newcomers to the League).
The hockey team of the MKS 1922/1923 - in essence and in composition - is RGO Sokol. And both teams performed at the Patriarch's Ponds. RGO Falcon ice rink since 1903. Krasnaya Presnya played there until 1925
The founder of Spartak, Nikolai Starostin, also said in 1967 that Krasnaya Presnya arose in 1921 from the RGO Sokol . (After all, he was a participant in the technical events of the 20s)
Some very good factual research done there. It would be interesting to see where those other clubs went that was also at that first meeting.
It is true though, none of those other clubs at the meeting are still running today. Only Crystal Palace!
So, when the FA updated their website that suggests that the two clubs are unconnected?
Crystal Palace FC
Formed 1861- 159 years old
Pride of South London
Eagles 🔴🔵
Where did we get all them trophies from ?
I was at that Southampton game.. one to forget 😂
same
Scummers get battered 9-0 at home. P.U.P
Great video and thanks for the mention. So maybe it was the Eagles we played after all. The original match in Hitchin back in 1871 finished 0-0, you can read the match report from The Sportsman newspaper here...
twitter.com/HitchinTownFC/status/1104307409340850178
If the first match was goalless, fancy a rematch? 😃
Can you explain this video in IOP CAM?
I would be convinced if that case was made for any other club so I will be saying that I support the world's first ever football club from now on!
Sheffield FC?
Andy Dixon it is absolutely undisputed they are the first ever team however they never played proffesional so we’re staking a claim that we are the oldest current professional football club ever
@@engagecastle188 yeah, I was just responding to the one comment, not the claim from Palace 👍⚽️
Probably with world's oldest manager and the world's smallest trophy cabinet
Tom Clark he must be a Brighton mug!
@RichiestRich they bha have copied us in trying to create a proper fan base and club, now it looks like even blue and white is a reject colour of ours🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😔🤣😔
Fun fact: You did not search for this video
One day I will play for this club..I BELIEVE🙏⚽😊.
Wow oldest🌎.
Good luck and if you do I hope you become our top goal scorer in history
@@geostar1259 thanks for the respond I will become one of the best by GOD'S Grace..
Doubt it 😂
@@ryjawa I will prove you and a lot of people wrong.. because what is in me is bigger than everyone else that's Jesus christ
@@ChikomaSakala. Okay, you can screenshot this for future reference.. If I ever see your name on the books at Crystal Palace, I'll give you £5,000..
Theres some extra motivation for you lol.
shefield fc : no u no what
This is sick fair play
Eagles!
Irish Eagles 🇮🇪❤💙
@Wilfried Zaha 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪❤💙🦅
Hi Francis, are you part of the Irish Eagles Club, I am in Galway, would love to join
@@funkymonkey65 I'm not unfortunately, I'm just a very passionate fan from Cork. 👍🏻
@Wilfried Zaha 119?
@@ifrankee Nice cmonnnn u eaglesss
I love this club
So many English people don't know about Notts County or Sheffield FC. A strange nation.
Notts county 1862... Sheffield F.C. played Sheffield Football until 1877 not Association football.
Are you sure? I dont remember them in downtown xavi "the english game"
lalala like this the "English" game is only an incorrect account of a small factory team involved in the FA cup, for entertainment only. Do some real research and get your head out of Netflix 🙄
Absolutely wonderful! 💖 🔴🔵 💖 By the way everything it's linkage... In Oporto (Portugal) there was a small replica from the original Crystal Palace and until now the garden where it was placed it's called "Palácio de Cristal" in portuguese. Since I was a child it's a magical place for me with lovely memories and since early age I wonder where the name came from... At the distance the bound was established and preserved until today. Glad All Over 😍
"Palacio de Cristal" just beautiful
@@sanktxando Welcome mate! 🔴🔵 😉
I like an opinion of a Lawyer and make it all legal and legitimate. But that costs money, or are FIFA going to turn around.
Great history ❤️💙🦅
Such an old club but there kit is based on Aston Villa's lol.
Side and side with the oldest Pl manager
Love palace been supporting whole life
I've been there lol 5:05
Crystal palace park is a brilliant place and close by has a nice McDonald's 😉
TITUS 3V5 Lol nice
True or False
That depends on you
Our examination was very thorough and has resulted in an 84-page document packed with primary/contemporary source materials.
“This document shows that the Crystal Palace Football Club claim is slightly absurd and is ultimately reduced to a short note in 1906 in the CPFC club handbook and which appears never to have been mentioned again anywhere by CPFC since very recently.
“It is possible to forget your own history but that really is a serious memory lapse.
Great doc sorry for spamming the Comments
Quite an interesting video, but I'm not convinced that the current Crystal Palace FC is connected to the original one. Also the fact that fans in the vox pops had little idea who the oldest club is seems to have little significance. However, anything that derails Stoke City's laughable claims to be the oldest club in the League can't be a bad thing.
Great vid
This club really has so much history
Crystal palace 1861
1905
@@samoc235 watch the video m8
I have and its false claims the document which investigated this claim came out and it is all false.. its free to download if you want to read it.. palace are NOT the oldest club
We reveal that the first CPFC side were affiliated to the FA between 1861 and 1875, at which point the club ceased to exist.
“There is then no FA affiliated club with the FA for a 30 year period until a new and totally separate club forms in 1905," they concluded.
Not sure about oldest, but defo the best, and that will do for me! Lol
The Mighty !
This seems very fishy to me why has this just surfaced.
RingoComedyNews Well, it hasn't "just" surfaced. New access and better computer search engines make it possible to get more content than ever before.
So just Google Crystal Palace 1861, and that information has been there for a lot of years, it only becomes a lie if you have no education or a Palace hater🤷♂️
Eagles ! Eagles!
Up the Palace.
Sheffield
Hbd to the queen
SIGN MESSI!!!
me just like no?
Come on palace
💋😎👄.
No
Oldest football club lmao stoke city is formed 1863
Jesus....look if you dont play for over 40 years you dont exist 😂
Didn’t ask
Uta
Yeah no
Not oldest Pro club at all didn't become pro until 1905 so this is silly claim.
If you was to claim a founding club of football then yes so you need to correct the terms used.
Nottingham forest fc are the oldest football team
Rob Beadle looks like the education system let you down😔
BADLY 🤣
@@TomClarkSouthLondon Nottingham Forrest Was not one of the teams that Started up the FA Cup only Crystal Palace are the only well known Club .
What a load of rubbish. CP trying to rewrite history.
New Evidence comes to light from time to time. What you are saying does not make sence.
April Fools is on 1st April lads....
seehispugnosedface oh! Dear a hater that cannot grasp the truth🤣
No, its not
nicolas barozzi YES IT IS🙄
You still weren't pro until 1905 so the claim is false and also you basically didn't exist for 40 years , a football club that had no members and didn't play football. And just because it was founded by the same people it doesn't mean it's the same team
If it was founded by the same people and owned by the same company of course it makes it the same team as you are representing "Crystal Palace Company" If they have only had One football team at one time representing themselves the claim can easily be made. The gap of no football being played isn't here or there but ultimately more proof is needed and hopefully it will be found .
haha blatantly a Brighton fan.
Did you even watch the video ?!
samuel wANKS are you really that stupid?
Or just an annoying hater🙄
This claim is a complete embarrassment and most football historians have rightly laughed it out of town. The video should have been released on April Fool’s Day.
Millie R I’m a historian of neither club and it’s still rubbish. The claim does not stack up.
@@TheChappers The “facts” are there for all to see, unless you are a blinkered fool.
No
SCFC FOR LIFE YES🙄
No
George Willis YES👍