As a Swede i didnt have access to the cartoon back inthe day so the toy and marvel comic was all i had to go on as a kid, so rumble is red and frenzy is blue.
According to stories i heard, Rumble was going to be red in the cartoon. But the scripts stated frenzy could be substituted if needed. Due to this, the animators confused this to mean the two figures were the same character and used the blue one for the show.
It may seem like a big thing now, but back then Transformers was just another cartoon...paint by the numbers, collect a paycheck...so add that with human error and you apparently get an age old debate!
Frenzy and Buzzsaw were hardly ever featured in the cartoon. Basically, they were only made to add variety (and therefore revenues) to the surplus of Transformers toys that existed at the time.
The obvious answer is that they do that twins trope where they swap paint/names at random to purposely confuse everyone. Meaning the main reason they hang out with Soundwave is because he can read their minds, and is in on the joke.
The Studio Series '86 line also supports Rumble is Red and Frenzy is Blue as they go out of their way to called Rumble (Blue) on the box, indicating that this is NOT his usual color scheme. They also have Frenzy (Red) on his box, indicating the same thing.
The original toys had the colors reversed, so the toys follow that. But the G1 show had them right, so everything but the toys follows that. So, therefore, the normal color for Rumble is blue, and the normal color for Frenzy is red.
@@ShadowWaveProductionsYou just show your ignorance, because everything else showed him as red and given that the toys came first and the comics also came before the cartoon, mean that the show is incorrect.
@@ShadowWaveProductions You wish buddy! The toys came first! And there is a scene in the cartoon where Rumble & Frenzy are both blue. Which proves the animation made tons of mistakes. Rumble is RED & the cartoon is loaded with errors.
I’ve never understood this color thing but now I see, thank you. Rumble is blue for me but now that my eyes are open I believe that Rumble is blue in the cartoon and Red in the toy line.
7:00 - wait a moment, if you're counting Takara and Hasbro separately when they have different colors, you still need to count them separately when they have the same color, that makes the count here to 7 to 3 7:22 - 8 to 3 7:29 - 9 to 3 8:32 - 9 to 4 (I feel this should count equal to both, but its your call) 8:54 - 9 to 5
I think the name switch in the cartoon was deliberate. I think marketing decided "Rumble" was a more marketable name than "Frenzy". But when you look at the orgiinal cassette packs, red guy was packaged with Ravage (the only other unique cassette at the time). Meanwhile, blue guy was packaged with Laserbeak, a repaint of the Buzzsaw that was included with Soundwave. The set with blue guy and Laserbeak was optional, and eventually in 1986 Laserbeak was replaced in the set by Ratbat. Also important to realize that red guy and Buzzsaw were very seldom seen in the cartoon, since they were packaged with other very popular characters.
Interesting theory :) that being said, I always felt it a sore point that Buzzsaw wasn't given as much love as laserbeak. I mean he was the original pack in with Soundwave!
There's actually a situation similar to this. The two bounty hunters 4-LOM and Zuckuss in The Empire Strikes back. The characters went unnamed in the film, and when Kenner released their toys they designated the droid "Zuckuss" and the bug-eyed alien "4-LOM." This wasn't corrected until 1989. I just consider "Rumble is red" to be based on a packaging mistake. I am a toy purist, Soundwave has yellow eyes, Grimlock has a yellow visor, Swoop's chest should be red, but Rumble is definitely blue.
Yup I grew up always identifying zuckuss as the droid and 4lom the tan alien. its only now as a black series collector that I am slowly coming around to the truth on that one 😅 but as for Rumble he will always be blue to me 😅
What if there were three cassette bots, but megs called one the wrong name and the bot corrected him, leading to megatron shooting him with his fusion Canon. Rumble and Crumble learned real quick not to correct Megatron, less they end up like poor Frenzy, and respond to any name megs calls them.
I always associated a frenzied emotion to "seeing red." In the G1 cartoon, Rumble uses the piledrivers. I only learned of the confusion in naming convention after the fact EDIT: officially, rumble is red, but my own personal head cannon has him blue
I have to lean towards the G1 series. At the time the show was on air and being produced, more kids watched the show than had the toy. Also keep in mind that the US market was much larger than the Japan market. Everyone here "knew" that Rumble was purple-ish at that time. For those in Japan, their version obviously says Rumble is black/red, because that's what they were given. It's a cruel trick by Hasbro to keep us in fighting and totally forget about the travesty yet awesome of a toy that Sky/Jet fire was.
To me, Rumble is blue because he was presented as blue in the cartoon, and every Rumble action figure sold at the stores where I grew up was also blue.
@@ShadowWaveProductions As Swede i didn't have access to the cartoons as a kid so it was marvel comic and toy only. Also the cartoon was based of the toys so toys was original source.
I want to see a fictional universe where the coloring seems inconsistent, but the moment another character points this out, someone else retorts, “Oh, they just swap colors periodically to screw with people.”
Rumble (toy) did not use piledrivers to cause earthquakes, he (fictionally) produced low frequency sound waves that could cause localized seismic disturbances. Frenzy used high frequency waves to disrupt electrical current. All of the original cassettes had an ability tied to sound or recording, which makes sense, as they were cassettes. I feel the cartoon producers decided that using sound to create earthquakes was too complex an idea for kids to handle. I don't know, but I prefer rumble didn't have them and used sound, as was meant to be. - RIRFIB
Rumble is red to me. I owned the G1 Rumble/Ravage 2 pack before I ever saw the cartoon, and as a fan of the Marvel comic book, he was red in that as well. When I first saw the cartoon, I realized that they had miscolored him, but I never really cared much either way. Thanks for posting!
I've always been a rumble is blue guy. I always figured the media was cannon not the toys. If the toys were cannon the autobot minivans wouldn't have heads.
For me, the G1 cartoon is what established who the characters really were, and what they could do. The toys really didn't give much of an impression on what, say, Ironhide, was actually supposed to BE like. And in that case in particular, I know there are a TON of people who felt it was weird that his toy didn't match the cartoon at all, rather than the cartoon not matching his toy. There's a reason the Masterpiece figures are designed to follow the cartoon more than the toys, after all. For this reason, I feel that the toy coming first is honestly a moot point. The cartoon clearly showed who Rumble is, and what he does, and he's blue. Now, if you're introduction to the characters was Marvel Comics, I could see there being another angle to this. But not the toys. *Edit* And even aside from all that, I mean, someone being named "Frenzy" being colored a hot tempered color like red makes a ton more sense than having him be a cool color like blue.
I couldn't agree more on all your points :) appreciate the effort you took to properly lay them out. I especially like the point on the Ironhide toy vs toon :)
Also a very strong possibility :) many people point out the cartoon as having so many errors, yes true but that doesn't mean toy manufacturers are perfect either 😅
Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue. Always go with the source material, which in this case is the toys. You wouldn't say the Wonder Twins were ever members of the Justice League just because they were in the cartoon. On the flip side of the coin, you would never claim "Thunder Kick Batman" was an official Batman suit just because they made a toy of that.
I guess at the end of the day..."source material" can be misconstrued as a fans first exposure to the character. Hence for cartoon people, he's blue :)
@StoriesFromTheToyshelf But then as you said, TF the Movie CARTOON switched the colour to what the toy was. So G1-wise its Toy-red, Comic-red, Movie-red, Cartoon-blue. 3 to 1
@tigerbread78 wasn't Rumble blue in the movie? Either way m not denying that red Rumbles have clearly outnumbered the blues, but the blue Rumble in the G1 cartoon is a BIG one, that served as the "first" Rumble to a huge chunk of TF fans including myself. And for us, it's enough to prefer our Rumble ro be blue. But either way both sides have strong and valid arguments :)
Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue. Decepticons are mean and mistakes their names on purpose. Autobots use cliche names, but Decepticreeps are on another level.
I thought it was because Rumb... the blue one switched sides in the comics after he deleted a human and traumatized himself, because he wasnt ready for the whole 'organs' thing we have going on. Although I might be remembering that wrong.
I remember the confusion when I finally saw the toys and got the one that was blue thinking that Rumble but it turned out to be Frenzy, incidentally Frenzy was blue in the comic if I recall correctly. As for the rest of the others I'm inclined to quote Vinnie Barbarino on this matter: "I'm so confused!"
Takara is very consistent about FIBRIR, because when they localized the Transformers cartoon, they switched the names in the dub. I barely care either way, but I'll err on the RIB side, as I'm a cartoon fan, and certain people tend to be more prone to being really pissy about being 'correct' on the RIR side. 😎
Rumble is red, his first appearance and his second appearance was red. It wasn't until his third appearance that he was incorrectly colored by the animators based on misreading the instructions. With the release of the Studio Series 86 toy he was labeled "Rumble (blue)". This is to state that this is a variant color not its natural color. If it was the default color it would have just been labeled "Rumble".
Rumble and Frenzy, red … blue, maybe we will never agree. But as a duo, can we agree that they are hands down better than the Bay Transformers Skids and Mudflap brothers?
Rumble is *RED!* The cartoon made a mistake. A lot of fans refuse to admit that the animators mixed them up. There is even a scene in the cartoon where Rumble & Frenzy are BOTH BLUE. Which just shows that the animation is full of errors. And Skywarp = Cyclonus. Not Bombshell. Cyclonus was in the newest wave of Decepticon jets to take the place of the original jets. Most of the 86 line was meant to replace the older characters. JET to JET! Not JET to BUG.
Oh I think most FIRRIB fans acknowledge the initial mistake made. They also recognize that after Said mistake, they basically ran with it and he was consistently blue throughout the series since. But again both arguments ate valid in my opinion :) oh and yes I agree Skywarp= Cyclonus :)
Watch the scene in 1986 movie when Soundwave ejects the cassette robots in SLOW MOTION... Just before one of them says "First We Crack The Shell......" Both Rumble AND Frenzy are blue... I'm not kidding. I highly suspect they are both colours and can change them at will.
Interesting. You're the first person in my comments to associate the word Frenzy with blue :) most people associate the word with red. As in blood or rage, as in like a feeding Frenzy.
@@StoriesFromTheToyshelfof course, it was that way in the marvel comic and the toyline (and even intended to be the same in sunbow until the mixup happened) as well. while i'm at it, red and black are earthly colours, and rumble's special power is causing earthquakes!
For me, Rumble is blue. The answer will always be based on first impressions. Mine was the cartoon. My old ass grew up watching this show back in the good ol' 1980s. I'll always remember my first Transformer toy. It was a red Bumblebee (Cliffbee?). And I remember one of my classmates having a yellow Cliffjumper (Bumblejumper?) toy. We used to race them down the slides during recess. Hooray for inconsistency!
For all of those watching Transformers gen 1 cartoons. We all know how screwed up they are. Red/Black Rumble. Blue/blue Frenzy. Just as Jetfire is the name, not Skyfire, even though Skyfire sounds better.
I do believe that changing Jetfire to Skyfire wasn't a mistake. It was a deliberate move to disassociate the character from the toy to avoid any issues with macross/robotech. I agree though that Skyfire is a better name :)
Rumble was red with his first introduction to me, and on my shelf, he will always be the red one. If Rumble is blue to you, then more power to you, if Rumble is red, more power to you, but if you need to yell about it over the internet and insist that Rumble is only blue because the cartoon was the largest reaching media and that people are wrong otherwise, then I will always say Rumble is red out of spite more than anything else, and the vice versa goes for the aggressive "Rumble is Red" group.
Hasbro has stated that Rumble being "blue" in the cartoon IS an animation error and that he is supposed to be Red. In fact, while he usually is "blue" in the cartoon, he DOES appear in correct red colors from time to time.
That would mean that Rumbe being red is the animation error, by your logic Starscream should blue and red because he is accidentally colored in Thundercracker’s colors sometimes. Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue.
@@ShadowWaveProductions this man is going around to every dam comment section that disagrees with him arguing over the most dumbest shit, do you truly not have anything better to do with your time? Lmao
@@ShadowWaveProductions bruh the show wasn't even accurate to its self most the time, this was also the same show that Contradicted Megatron's origin so many times, I think I rather stick to toys then the Cartoon that couldn't keep it's story straight lmao
@@shafikkrisoondatt4002 But the character of Frenzy didn't show up till like season 2. Are you saying every time Rumble was on screen was an animation error?
@@dillydraws I never said it was an animation error but more of the Show writers or art team accidently switching the names around and them just sticking with it, and I probably won't be surprised if Everytime they intended to fix their mistake rumble always ended up blue its g1 man anything is possible
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Rumble and Frenzy can change color at will and they do it all the time to mess with people.
the rumble / ravage 2 pack were my first transformers , so rumble will always be red to me , , as for the cartoon they had a green shockwave at one point
THERE IS NOT DEBATE! Rumble was released as red and every piece of legacy media, with the exception of the original cartoon, showed him as such. Even the cartoon bible, which is available online, lists him as red. It just ended up being another animation error, but one never corrected. The Japanese translation went so far as to rename the character to Frenzy, hence why every Japanese iteration uses the correct name. Now, if the response is "I know that Rumble is red, but I refer to him as the blue one, as that's how he appeared in the cartoon", then that's fine: It's your toy, call it whatever you want. However, if you refer to him as blue in an erroneous statement of fact, then you just make yourself look like an idiot.
As a kid the couple Transformer comics i had didn't have Rumble or Frenzy in them so i would have go with the cartoon names. As a kid i got my Transformers from a Mom & Pop toy store it would get all the Transformers most would sell out . As a kid i had Soundwave with Buzzsaw mine also had a Ravage . Also Ravage wasn't no where on the box and was settin loosely in the box . My cousin knocked of the shelf my Soundwave and Prowl Soundwave head broke so i never tried to get the other tapes and Prowl roof broke l off .The other thing a friend of mine had a black and gold tape when asked who it was he said he didn't knowthe name . The friend also had 2 different Jetfire & Skyfire the one had the Cartoon 's gun and only 1 antenna on each side he said that was prototype that got changed he grandparents moved away before the movie came out he told me and my friends new Transformers where coming for the movie . I was one of them kids who stop getting transformers after the movie came out they killed off my favorite transformers in the movie
So to hear about your soundwave and Prowl. That datsun roof ilwas always breaking off. I had Bluestreak and that happened too. At least both Frenzy and Rumble survived the movie! And they took down Devastator :)
I'm a cartoon fan first, but I only care about the debate whenever only one version is released as a toy and it's only the red/black one, even though the blue/purple one is who got the most spotlight time.
Rumble is purple, a mixture of red and blue. Frenzy is red in most toy releases, but which one got the most views in media? Cartoons/dubs/comics/video games/and other collectibles?
I wonder if Rumble was Purple in the show because they didn't have plans to have Frenzy in the show at the time. So he was meant to be a fusion of the two.
@@MatthewCaunsfield Rumble is blue, and that’s a fact. He is blue through out the entire show, the only times he isn’t is when there is an animation error. The toys were made before the show, therefor, they are not the final product.
@@ShadowWaveProductions Indeed, the toys (and comic) are the original product...the cartoon got it wrong. It's only a fact that Rumble is blue in the cartoon
Both the g1 toy and the g1 comic showed Rumble as red, G1 trumps the rest, all subsequent toys are influenced by the debate, therefore Red wins, 'nuff said
@StoriesFromTheToyshelf But the G1 movie, comic, and G1 toy (that the kids might own) would be Red, that's 3 to 1 against the blue, subsequent pallet swaps in later iterations are irrelevant.
I'm on the side that will piss the most G1 fans off. So Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red. Ok but seriously speaking the first incarnation of Frenzy I've seen was the Bayformers abomination and with those blue eyes I first assumed the G1 version was the blue one. And it just looks more natural to me like this. Fight me
Studio Series Bumblebee Concept Rumble is blue. Personally I'm of the opinion that Rumble and Frenzy swap color schemes to mess with people. It's usually animation errors. For instance: In the Autobot City sequence of the movie, an animation error puts Frenzy on the casetticon launch sequence twice; and then in the next shot one of them is Rumble. You even put that exact scene in this video as a screencap and I was surprised you didn't comment on it even as a joke, haha
@@ShadowWaveProductions you mean the animation is the best source, so Optimus is blue, there are 2 Star creams, Ratchet is a minibot, Soundwave is an Autobot, Bruticus can be formed without Onslaught, there are 2 red Frenzys attacking Autobot City. Those are just some of the animation errors that come to mind. So the cartoon is far from being a reliable source for accuracy.
Seems either can be right... But for me, like you, the cartoons came first. So Rumble is blue to me. I still have my 80s Blue one, and forever will be misprinted..
Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue, The cartoon is wrong and so are you. If I was Simon Furman or someone like that, the next time one of these appears in print I'd start with them coming out of a spray booth having changed colour and really muddy the waters.
As a collector and fan of the show since conception, Rumble is blue to me. I have the toys but to me his character was blue. Now how about Jetfire/Skyfire? The show wins.
For me as a kid back then and now as an adult, Rumble has always been blue. Unfortunately for me, after hearing every Autobot and every Decepticon, (especially SOUND WAVE himself) call him Rumble just did me in. I guess im a victim of 'Decepticon Stockholm syndrome.'
To me, Rumble is always red, since I had the original toy, and my main TF continuity as a kid was the comic, especially the UK comic, where he was also red. The cartoon aired in the UK very inconsistently from my memory, so it was not my "main" canon as a kid. But hey, everyone else is free to be wrong!
I prefer referencing " toy version, or show version". They are different pairs with different personalities. The specs of the toys give technical reasons for there abilities and the show gives visual reasons. (Also, the toy version of Frenzy couldn't generate earthquakes)
Rumble is Red? Rumble is Blue? Are you a toy purist? or cartoon loyalist? :)
I go by they swapped there names everytime we see them
One of the people you used to symbolize blue tried to assassinate a public official back in 2020 using germ warfare. BLOCKED!
@@robolord117 keep both sides happy...sell more toys :)
Neither, I'm a Marvel comic loyalist - which means Rumble is red. =)
As a Swede i didnt have access to the cartoon back inthe day so the toy and marvel comic was all i had to go on as a kid, so rumble is red and frenzy is blue.
For all of those people who grew up watching the G1 cartoon, Rumble will always be blue. Frenzy was hardly showcased in the cartoon.
That would be me, TF toys in general were too expensive for me as a kid
According to stories i heard, Rumble was going to be red in the cartoon. But the scripts stated frenzy could be substituted if needed. Due to this, the animators confused this to mean the two figures were the same character and used the blue one for the show.
It may seem like a big thing now, but back then Transformers was just another cartoon...paint by the numbers, collect a paycheck...so add that with human error and you apparently get an age old debate!
Frenzy and Buzzsaw were hardly ever featured in the cartoon. Basically, they were only made to add variety (and therefore revenues) to the surplus of Transformers toys that existed at the time.
@magazineretriever9036 yup easy repaints easy money! But could've used more Frenzy and Buzzsaw :)
Frmuble is Bled, Rumzy is Rlue
And that is the correct answer. Lol
Oath!
The obvious answer is that they do that twins trope where they swap paint/names at random to purposely confuse everyone. Meaning the main reason they hang out with Soundwave is because he can read their minds, and is in on the joke.
I wouldn't put it past them...one thing is apparent is that no matter what color they are, they're both jerks 😅
Makes it a whole less of a headache, I’m subscribing to that theory now
It only makes sense that Frenzy is red. Red is associated with that mental state, like anger.
Completely agree!
The Studio Series '86 line also supports Rumble is Red and Frenzy is Blue as they go out of their way to called Rumble (Blue) on the box, indicating that this is NOT his usual color scheme. They also have Frenzy (Red) on his box, indicating the same thing.
The original toys had the colors reversed, so the toys follow that. But the G1 show had them right, so everything but the toys follows that. So, therefore, the normal color for Rumble is blue, and the normal color for Frenzy is red.
@@ShadowWaveProductionsYou just show your ignorance, because everything else showed him as red and given that the toys came first and the comics also came before the cartoon, mean that the show is incorrect.
@@yunoyuluvit the show ran for years, Rumble was blue the entire time. (Not counting animation errors, but those are just that, animation errors.)
@@ShadowWaveProductions You wish buddy! The toys came first! And there is a scene in the cartoon where Rumble & Frenzy are both blue. Which proves the animation made tons of mistakes. Rumble is RED & the cartoon is loaded with errors.
@@sci-fi.tsunami the toys came first, which means the cartoon is the final product.
I’ve been thrown into a frenzy over this. If you don’t like the outcome, then let’s rumble in the jungle 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
I love Soundwave, and if Soundwave tells me the blue one is Rumble, then I’m going to believe him.
well then...it's settled. Blue Rumble superior :)
I’ve never understood this color thing but now I see, thank you. Rumble is blue for me but now that my eyes are open I believe that Rumble is blue in the cartoon and Red in the toy line.
glad i could help ha ha
Rumble is blue, Frenzy is red.
Frenzy is anger and red is the color of anger, therefore Frenzy is red. Rumble causes a rumble and was blue when we first saw him, so he’s blue.
@@dkkanofkash8798 Rumble is blue and Frenzy is red because that’s how it is in the G1 show, the toys just had them reversed.
HERESY
Yes
Red is the color of anger, why wouldn't frenzy be red?
7:00 - wait a moment, if you're counting Takara and Hasbro separately when they have different colors, you still need to count them separately when they have the same color, that makes the count here to 7 to 3
7:22 - 8 to 3
7:29 - 9 to 3
8:32 - 9 to 4 (I feel this should count equal to both, but its your call)
8:54 - 9 to 5
good point! doesn't change the the outcome though :) but thanks for pointing it out!
I think the name switch in the cartoon was deliberate. I think marketing decided "Rumble" was a more marketable name than "Frenzy". But when you look at the orgiinal cassette packs, red guy was packaged with Ravage (the only other unique cassette at the time). Meanwhile, blue guy was packaged with Laserbeak, a repaint of the Buzzsaw that was included with Soundwave. The set with blue guy and Laserbeak was optional, and eventually in 1986 Laserbeak was replaced in the set by Ratbat. Also important to realize that red guy and Buzzsaw were very seldom seen in the cartoon, since they were packaged with other very popular characters.
Interesting theory :) that being said, I always felt it a sore point that Buzzsaw wasn't given as much love as laserbeak. I mean he was the original pack in with Soundwave!
Rumble is red…
Frenzy is blue…
If you’ve never owned either…
I’m sad for you.
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Rumble is red, Rumble is blue. Frenzy doesn't exist.
😂
There's actually a situation similar to this. The two bounty hunters 4-LOM and Zuckuss in The Empire Strikes back. The characters went unnamed in the film, and when Kenner released their toys they designated the droid "Zuckuss" and the bug-eyed alien "4-LOM." This wasn't corrected until 1989. I just consider "Rumble is red" to be based on a packaging mistake. I am a toy purist, Soundwave has yellow eyes, Grimlock has a yellow visor, Swoop's chest should be red, but Rumble is definitely blue.
Yup I grew up always identifying zuckuss as the droid and 4lom the tan alien. its only now as a black series collector that I am slowly coming around to the truth on that one 😅 but as for Rumble he will always be blue to me 😅
To me the name Frenzy matches the red colour more and Rumble matches blue more
💯 agree to this logic:)
What if there were three cassette bots, but megs called one the wrong name and the bot corrected him, leading to megatron shooting him with his fusion Canon. Rumble and Crumble learned real quick not to correct Megatron, less they end up like poor Frenzy, and respond to any name megs calls them.
I wish that was canon 😅 it would also explain why there are seekers towards the later seasons 😜
I always associated a frenzied emotion to "seeing red." In the G1 cartoon, Rumble uses the piledrivers. I only learned of the confusion in naming convention after the fact
EDIT: officially, rumble is red, but my own personal head cannon has him blue
As is the case with many fans including myself :)
I have to lean towards the G1 series. At the time the show was on air and being produced, more kids watched the show than had the toy. Also keep in mind that the US market was much larger than the Japan market. Everyone here "knew" that Rumble was purple-ish at that time. For those in Japan, their version obviously says Rumble is black/red, because that's what they were given. It's a cruel trick by Hasbro to keep us in fighting and totally forget about the travesty yet awesome of a toy that Sky/Jet fire was.
Agree 💯 % especially with regards to how awesome a toy Jetfire was :)
If I’m in the west, rumble is purple/blue and if I’m in the east rumble is red.
That works I guess? 😅
I keep imagining the bartender at the Mos Eisley Cantina telling Rumble & Frenzy: "We don't serve your kind here!" 😆
@@magazineretriever9036 😅
To me, Rumble is blue because he was presented as blue in the cartoon, and every Rumble action figure sold at the stores where I grew up was also blue.
You must have grown up in a great place :) FIRRIB!
You forgot about the comic books from Marvel, which came out in May 1984. Rumble was red and Frenzy was blue in the comics, just like the toys.
The show is a much better source of information than the comics and toys.
@@ShadowWaveProductionsOnly to an idiot.
@@ShadowWaveProductions how?
this is just a fun discussion between fellow fans...no need for idiot calling :)
@@ShadowWaveProductions As Swede i didn't have access to the cartoons as a kid so it was marvel comic and toy only. Also the cartoon was based of the toys so toys was original source.
Rumble is Frenzy, Blue is Red. Frenzy is Rumble, Red is Blue.
Ah....a philosophical argument I see. I can get behind that 😅
I want to see a fictional universe where the coloring seems inconsistent, but the moment another character points this out, someone else retorts, “Oh, they just swap colors periodically to screw with people.”
Isn't there the current universe? 😅
Rumble (toy) did not use piledrivers to cause earthquakes, he (fictionally) produced low frequency sound waves that could cause localized seismic disturbances. Frenzy used high frequency waves to disrupt electrical current. All of the original cassettes had an ability tied to sound or recording, which makes sense, as they were cassettes.
I feel the cartoon producers decided that using sound to create earthquakes was too complex an idea for kids to handle. I don't know, but I prefer rumble didn't have them and used sound, as was meant to be. - RIRFIB
At the end of the day....I believe that piledrivers are just cooler 😜
Hands down one of the coolest G1 characters. The cassettes were fan favorites
Yes they were! Awesome concept!
Rumble is red to me. I owned the G1 Rumble/Ravage 2 pack before I ever saw the cartoon, and as a fan of the Marvel comic book, he was red in that as well. When I first saw the cartoon, I realized that they had miscolored him, but I never really cared much either way.
Thanks for posting!
Thanks for your input too! And even if I prefer him Blue, your opinion is much appreciated!
I've always been a rumble is blue guy. I always figured the media was cannon not the toys. If the toys were cannon the autobot minivans wouldn't have heads.
True .... very true :)
The Koko B. Ware "Piledriver" clip was a nice touch brother 👌
Thanks! That dude needs a shout out whenever possible 😅
For me, the G1 cartoon is what established who the characters really were, and what they could do. The toys really didn't give much of an impression on what, say, Ironhide, was actually supposed to BE like. And in that case in particular, I know there are a TON of people who felt it was weird that his toy didn't match the cartoon at all, rather than the cartoon not matching his toy. There's a reason the Masterpiece figures are designed to follow the cartoon more than the toys, after all.
For this reason, I feel that the toy coming first is honestly a moot point. The cartoon clearly showed who Rumble is, and what he does, and he's blue.
Now, if you're introduction to the characters was Marvel Comics, I could see there being another angle to this. But not the toys.
*Edit* And even aside from all that, I mean, someone being named "Frenzy" being colored a hot tempered color like red makes a ton more sense than having him be a cool color like blue.
I couldn't agree more on all your points :) appreciate the effort you took to properly lay them out. I especially like the point on the Ironhide toy vs toon :)
I always considered it a packaging error and still do, packaging errors do happen on large scale
Also a very strong possibility :) many people point out the cartoon as having so many errors, yes true but that doesn't mean toy manufacturers are perfect either 😅
Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue. Always go with the source material, which in this case is the toys. You wouldn't say the Wonder Twins were ever members of the Justice League just because they were in the cartoon. On the flip side of the coin, you would never claim "Thunder Kick Batman" was an official Batman suit just because they made a toy of that.
I guess at the end of the day..."source material" can be misconstrued as a fans first exposure to the character. Hence for cartoon people, he's blue :)
@StoriesFromTheToyshelf But then as you said, TF the Movie CARTOON switched the colour to what the toy was. So G1-wise its Toy-red, Comic-red, Movie-red, Cartoon-blue. 3 to 1
@tigerbread78 wasn't Rumble blue in the movie? Either way m not denying that red Rumbles have clearly outnumbered the blues, but the blue Rumble in the G1 cartoon is a BIG one, that served as the "first" Rumble to a huge chunk of TF fans including myself. And for us, it's enough to prefer our Rumble ro be blue. But either way both sides have strong and valid arguments :)
Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue. Decepticons are mean and mistakes their names on purpose. Autobots use cliche names, but Decepticreeps are on another level.
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When the G1 cartoon was dubbed into Japanese, they called the blue one Frenzy and the red one Rumble
I could be wrong but it seems that Japan took their toys more seriously than anywhere else :)
Let's start another discussion: Frenzy is not RED, he's black! Blue vs Black!
Adding more fuel to the fire 😅
I thought it was because Rumb... the blue one switched sides in the comics after he deleted a human and traumatized himself, because he wasnt ready for the whole 'organs' thing we have going on.
Although I might be remembering that wrong.
In the Marvel comics? I can't recall that either but that would make for an interesting story :)
What mirror dimension did you come from?
Hmm...
The red one Toy!Rumble/Toon!Frenzy and the blue one is Toy!Frenzy/Toon!Rumble. Enemy is both red AND blue.
Concluded.
They are who make them to be 😅
Trivia - Rumble's G1 cartoon colors were actually done in the pre-transformer toy "Hi-Fi Man" Very OG if you can find and afford one.
Did not know that :) must be worth a fortune!
I remember the confusion when I finally saw the toys and got the one that was blue thinking that Rumble but it turned out to be Frenzy, incidentally Frenzy was blue in the comic if I recall correctly. As for the rest of the others I'm inclined to quote Vinnie Barbarino on this matter: "I'm so confused!"
Whatever color he is....can we all agree he's a Decepticon....so blue 😅
Funny you should mention Dr. Claw, because Soundwave is just Dr. Claw's voice run through a vocoder effect.
Yup! Frank Welker basically did the same for his Soundwave voice in TF2. Without the vocoder it was basically just Dr. Claw 😅
Rumble is Purple, Frenzy is Red
Agree! Although I prefer Periwinkle 😅
Takara is very consistent about FIBRIR, because when they localized the Transformers cartoon, they switched the names in the dub. I barely care either way, but I'll err on the RIB side, as I'm a cartoon fan, and certain people tend to be more prone to being really pissy about being 'correct' on the RIR side. 😎
I'm not Japanese so I go with RIB 👍
Rumble is red, his first appearance and his second appearance was red. It wasn't until his third appearance that he was incorrectly colored by the animators based on misreading the instructions. With the release of the Studio Series 86 toy he was labeled "Rumble (blue)". This is to state that this is a variant color not its natural color. If it was the default color it would have just been labeled "Rumble".
Never thought of that....logical reasoning there :)
I'm on the side that Enemy is cooler than both because he is both red *and* blue. So suck it, Frumble.
I think Frumble is a better name though 😜
Let’s also take into account the new shattered glass comics. Rumble and Frenzy’s colors are just color swapped, and it doesn’t specify who is who
Oh I never read that...but yeah more proof of Hasbro effing with us 😅
I’ve always liked rumble being red because of the alliteration
But what about poor Frenzy? That would make him Frue? 😅
Rumble will in my eyes always be blue and frenzy is red
Agree 💯 %!
Put me down for BLUE, it's how i seen him for the 1st time in the cartoon and it's how i'll always see him as
Same!
Who remembers when they switched names with colors in a cartoon?
they actually did that in an episode? Now that's just them messing with us!
Rumble's always red for me, saw the toy then the comic books (which had him as red) before I ever saw the cartoon.
Another one for Red :)
Rumble and Frenzy, red … blue, maybe we will never agree. But as a duo, can we agree that they are hands down better than the Bay Transformers Skids and Mudflap brothers?
completely agree!
Rumble looks better in purple and blue and Frenzy in black and red. Both with piledrivers.
💯 agree!
Rumble is *RED!* The cartoon made a mistake. A lot of fans refuse to admit that the animators mixed them up. There is even a scene in the cartoon where Rumble & Frenzy are BOTH BLUE. Which just shows that the animation is full of errors.
And Skywarp = Cyclonus. Not Bombshell. Cyclonus was in the newest wave of Decepticon jets to take the place of the original jets. Most of the 86 line was meant to replace the older characters. JET to JET! Not JET to BUG.
Oh I think most FIRRIB fans acknowledge the initial mistake made. They also recognize that after Said mistake, they basically ran with it and he was consistently blue throughout the series since. But again both arguments ate valid in my opinion :) oh and yes I agree Skywarp= Cyclonus :)
Watch the scene in 1986 movie when Soundwave ejects the cassette robots in SLOW MOTION...
Just before one of them says "First We Crack The Shell......"
Both Rumble AND Frenzy are blue...
I'm not kidding. I highly suspect they are both colours and can change them at will.
Ha ha yes I caught that :) one of them animated errors....or them just effing with us 😅
This is wild. I couldn’t stop watching lol
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video and hope you come back for more!
frenzy kinda sounds like an icy word, so he's blue. rumble's red by process elimination.
Interesting. You're the first person in my comments to associate the word Frenzy with blue :) most people associate the word with red. As in blood or rage, as in like a feeding Frenzy.
@@StoriesFromTheToyshelfof course, it was that way in the marvel comic and the toyline (and even intended to be the same in sunbow until the mixup happened) as well. while i'm at it, red and black are earthly colours, and rumble's special power is causing earthquakes!
@yeeoof1995 to each his own :) everyone's reasons are valid as far as I'm concerned :)
For me, Rumble is blue. The answer will always be based on first impressions. Mine was the cartoon. My old ass grew up watching this show back in the good ol' 1980s. I'll always remember my first Transformer toy. It was a red Bumblebee (Cliffbee?). And I remember one of my classmates having a yellow Cliffjumper (Bumblejumper?) toy. We used to race them down the slides during recess. Hooray for inconsistency!
I guess that makes two old asses...rumble is Blue for me too...thanks to the cartoons!
For all of those watching Transformers gen 1 cartoons. We all know how screwed up they are. Red/Black Rumble. Blue/blue Frenzy. Just as Jetfire is the name, not Skyfire, even though Skyfire sounds better.
I do believe that changing Jetfire to Skyfire wasn't a mistake. It was a deliberate move to disassociate the character from the toy to avoid any issues with macross/robotech. I agree though that Skyfire is a better name :)
Rumble was red with his first introduction to me, and on my shelf, he will always be the red one.
If Rumble is blue to you, then more power to you, if Rumble is red, more power to you, but if you need to yell about it over the internet and insist that Rumble is only blue because the cartoon was the largest reaching media and that people are wrong otherwise, then I will always say Rumble is red out of spite more than anything else, and the vice versa goes for the aggressive "Rumble is Red" group.
It's all in good fun and discussion among fellow fans....hope people don't lose track of that :)
Hasbro has stated that Rumble being "blue" in the cartoon IS an animation error and that he is supposed to be Red. In fact, while he usually is "blue" in the cartoon, he DOES appear in correct red colors from time to time.
That would mean that Rumbe being red is the animation error, by your logic Starscream should blue and red because he is accidentally colored in Thundercracker’s colors sometimes. Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue.
@@ShadowWaveProductionsNot even remotely. You clearly have no concept of logic.
@@yunoyuluvit you’re the one saying “Rumble is red”.
@@ShadowWaveProductions this man is going around to every dam comment section that disagrees with him arguing over the most dumbest shit, do you truly not have anything better to do with your time? Lmao
@@shafikkrisoondatt4002 I’m only replying to comments on this video. Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue.
Casey Kasem was the original voice of Shaggy.
Yes he was! As with Bluestreak and Cliffjumper. Such an iconic voice. Too bad they ended up offending him causing him to quit the show.
Rumble is Red frenzy is blue
No, in G1 Rumble is blue and Frenzy is red, the toys were just reversed. The show is a much better source of information than the toys.
@@ShadowWaveProductions bruh the show wasn't even accurate to its self most the time, this was also the same show that Contradicted Megatron's origin so many times, I think I rather stick to toys then the Cartoon that couldn't keep it's story straight lmao
@@shafikkrisoondatt4002 the show had consistent colors. The animation errors where characters were different colors are just that, animation errors.
@@shafikkrisoondatt4002 But the character of Frenzy didn't show up till like season 2. Are you saying every time Rumble was on screen was an animation error?
@@dillydraws I never said it was an animation error but more of the Show writers or art team accidently switching the names around and them just sticking with it, and I probably won't be surprised if Everytime they intended to fix their mistake rumble always ended up blue its g1 man anything is possible
Rumble and Frenzy can change color at will and they do it all the time to mess with people.
One way to look at it!
the rumble / ravage 2 pack were my first transformers , so rumble will always be red to me , , as for the cartoon they had a green shockwave at one point
Don't forget purple seekers! 😅
THERE IS NOT DEBATE! Rumble was released as red and every piece of legacy media, with the exception of the original cartoon, showed him as such. Even the cartoon bible, which is available online, lists him as red. It just ended up being another animation error, but one never corrected. The Japanese translation went so far as to rename the character to Frenzy, hence why every Japanese iteration uses the correct name.
Now, if the response is "I know that Rumble is red, but I refer to him as the blue one, as that's how he appeared in the cartoon", then that's fine: It's your toy, call it whatever you want. However, if you refer to him as blue in an erroneous statement of fact, then you just make yourself look like an idiot.
well said....but yeah for me Rumble is Blue 😅
As a kid the couple Transformer comics i had didn't have Rumble or Frenzy in them so i would have go with the cartoon names. As a kid i got my Transformers from a Mom & Pop toy store it would get all the Transformers most would sell out . As a kid i had Soundwave with Buzzsaw mine also had a Ravage . Also Ravage wasn't no where on the box and was settin loosely in the box . My cousin knocked of the shelf my Soundwave and Prowl Soundwave head broke so i never tried to get the other tapes and Prowl roof broke l off .The other thing a friend of mine had a black and gold tape when asked who it was he said he didn't knowthe name . The friend also had 2 different Jetfire & Skyfire the one had the Cartoon 's gun and only 1 antenna on each side he said that was prototype that got changed he grandparents moved away before the movie came out he told me and my friends new Transformers where coming for the movie . I was one of them kids who stop getting transformers after the movie came out they killed off my favorite transformers in the movie
So to hear about your soundwave and Prowl. That datsun roof ilwas always breaking off. I had Bluestreak and that happened too. At least both Frenzy and Rumble survived the movie! And they took down Devastator :)
I'm a cartoon fan first, but I only care about the debate whenever only one version is released as a toy and it's only the red/black one, even though the blue/purple one is who got the most spotlight time.
agree!
At the time I watched as a kid, they were both black n white lol
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Rumble is purple, a mixture of red and blue. Frenzy is red in most toy releases, but which one got the most views in media? Cartoons/dubs/comics/video games/and other collectibles?
I'd say purple Rumble did! 👍
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I wonder if Rumble was Purple in the show because they didn't have plans to have Frenzy in the show at the time. So he was meant to be a fusion of the two.
hmmmm that's an interesting take for sure :)
Frank Welker also voiced Uni on D & D.
I'm not surprised. He voiced so many characters. Probably one of the most prolific voice actors ever :)
And Peter Cullen was Venger :)
Rumble will always be purple to me never red.
💯 agree!
I'm surprised that they've never done a version of Rumble and Frenzy, that have a color change gimmick, or the like.
That would just add more fuel to the fire 😅
Thanks for doing the legwork on this; so many toys!
Rumble is red, BTW 😉
Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue!
@@ShadowWaveProductions that's certainly an opinion 😉
@@MatthewCaunsfield Rumble is blue, and that’s a fact. He is blue through out the entire show, the only times he isn’t is when there is an animation error. The toys were made before the show, therefor, they are not the final product.
@@ShadowWaveProductions Indeed, the toys (and comic) are the original product...the cartoon got it wrong.
It's only a fact that Rumble is blue in the cartoon
@@MatthewCaunsfield the show is the final refined version of G1, what the show says goes.
The constructicons created Megatron. Megatron turned the constructicond evil on Omega
And they destroyed Crystal city :)
@@StoriesFromTheToyshelf why would sn autobot create Megatron?
Both the g1 toy and the g1 comic showed Rumble as red, G1 trumps the rest, all subsequent toys are influenced by the debate, therefore Red wins, 'nuff said
But wouldn't you consider the original show G1? :)
@StoriesFromTheToyshelf But the G1 movie, comic, and G1 toy (that the kids might own) would be Red, that's 3 to 1 against the blue, subsequent pallet swaps in later iterations are irrelevant.
@tigerbread78 it's all good. Like I said both sides have good and valid arguments. At least that's how I see it. :)
Frenzy is blue
*F.I.B.*
A *fib* is a little lie
I trust that clears thinga up.
Nice one!
Rumble is literally an anagram of "Mr. Blue"
NICE!
I'm on the side that will piss the most G1 fans off.
So Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red.
Ok but seriously speaking the first incarnation of Frenzy I've seen was the Bayformers abomination and with those blue eyes I first assumed the G1 version was the blue one. And it just looks more natural to me like this. Fight me
Ah ready to Rumble I see :)
You should also mention Bumblebee movie concept art Rumble who is totally blue.
yeah I missed that one...one more for my boy BLUE!
Studio Series Bumblebee Concept Rumble is blue.
Personally I'm of the opinion that Rumble and Frenzy swap color schemes to mess with people. It's usually animation errors. For instance: In the Autobot City sequence of the movie, an animation error puts Frenzy on the casetticon launch sequence twice; and then in the next shot one of them is Rumble.
You even put that exact scene in this video as a screencap and I was surprised you didn't comment on it even as a joke, haha
It all started out with animation/production mistakes, but at this point, Hasbro is probably just messing with us :P
@@StoriesFromTheToyshelf Entirely possible
Heres the Answer...What color is Bumblebee...hes Yellow not Red. What color is Rumble...hes Blue not Red.
💯 agree!
Rumble Is Blue Frenzy is Red
Facts 💯!
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Boy idgaf what the count is, Rumble is BLUE! 😎
I'm with ya! 💯:)
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No wonder there's confusion, I lost who was Rumble and who was Frenzy at this time myself
even when I was making this video, at this point...in my head I was going...they look the same! 😅
Rumble is blue. Frenzy is also blue. Frenzy is also red. But Rumble can be red if Frenzy is blue this time
Basically it’s whatever the media says it is
That explains it! 😅
honestly, neither, Frenzy is Periwinkle and Rumble is Black.
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Always been Blue and will be Blue to the end ....at least for me
Agree!
"Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue." ~ Hasbro/Takara.
Only the toys, the show is a much better source of information that the toys.
@@ShadowWaveProductionsall the comics
@@autobotfan11 the comics are not accurate to G1.
@@ShadowWaveProductions you mean the animation is the best source, so Optimus is blue, there are 2 Star creams, Ratchet is a minibot, Soundwave is an Autobot, Bruticus can be formed without Onslaught, there are 2 red Frenzys attacking Autobot City. Those are just some of the animation errors that come to mind. So the cartoon is far from being a reliable source for accuracy.
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I have always thought the name rumble match blue better, and the name frenzy matched red perfectly
Same here :)
Seems either can be right...
But for me, like you, the cartoons came first. So Rumble is blue to me. I still have my 80s Blue one, and forever will be misprinted..
Agree! you had a misprinted toy?that was a thing?
@@StoriesFromTheToyshelf not "really".. but that's my head cannon for the name switch when it comes to the toys.
Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue, The cartoon is wrong and so are you.
If I was Simon Furman or someone like that, the next time one of these appears in print I'd start with them coming out of a spray booth having changed colour and really muddy the waters.
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As a collector and fan of the show since conception, Rumble is blue to me. I have the toys but to me his character was blue. Now how about Jetfire/Skyfire? The show wins.
Yes agree! And Skyfire most definitely trumps Jetfire. I would suspect that more kids watched the show than actually owned the toy.
For me as a kid back then and now as an adult, Rumble has always been blue. Unfortunately for me, after hearing every Autobot and every Decepticon, (especially SOUND WAVE himself) call him Rumble just did me in. I guess im a victim of 'Decepticon Stockholm syndrome.'
It could Decepticon Stockholm syndrome? Or you could just be absolutely correct?😅
To me, Rumble is always red, since I had the original toy, and my main TF continuity as a kid was the comic, especially the UK comic, where he was also red. The cartoon aired in the UK very inconsistently from my memory, so it was not my "main" canon as a kid. But hey, everyone else is free to be wrong!
😅 Nice one. I guess I'm wrong then...but it feels so right :)
@@StoriesFromTheToyshelf I’ll make a special one-time-only exception, just for you! :-D
I prefer referencing " toy version, or show version".
They are different pairs with different personalities. The specs of the toys give technical reasons for there abilities and the show gives visual reasons. (Also, the toy version of Frenzy couldn't generate earthquakes)
Agree. Everyone had their reasons. And I do believe they're all valid :)
Just because some studio intern fucked up the color schemes doesn't mean Rumble isn't red.
But in this case...it does 😅
Being a fan of the cartoon first, I'm going with Rumble is blue..err .. periwinkle🤣🤣🤣
You Sir are 💯 % correct :)