I think would have been fairer to not have the stand on the Mathews. Would give it more weight at the bottom which would act a bit like a stab. Interested to see if there's a difference with and without the stand.
I don’t understand the over emphasis on felt vibration. Draw cycle, repeatable low torque grip and how the bow holds on target are way more important. None of the bows really vibrate with a quiver and stabilizers. Vibration is just marketing hype.
Could not disagree more. Vibration equals inefficiency. Any energy that's creating vibration in the riser of the bow is energy that is not going into the arrow. Vibration is also sound, why would you want to shoot a noisy bow?
I agree with Ray. Don't really care about a little vibration once the arrow has already been sent down range. A deer is going to jump from the sound of a mathews just the same as a prime plus I believe the sound of an arrow flying has more effect than the bow.
Honestly I think tim is an amzing addition to elk shape love seeing him in the vids !! Does a fantastic job glad to be on this journey with everyone at elkshape keep it up guys
I see an elite sign. . Just curious why no elite I know you can only test so many but I would think elite is more popular than prime. If he doesn’t have them I understand but would have liked to see it
I would have liked to see an Elite included in the review as well. I have been hearing some good things about the Encore and would have liked to see how it stacked up against the others.
@@RP-rc5cz I would of too. I wanted to shoot elite pretty bad but I guess they only ship to customers direct now. How are you supposed to shoot it first? My shop stopped carrying Elite 2 years ago because of that apparently . Only shop in the state.
Shooting them side/side, if possible, is a great way to make a decision. I shot all of the major brands (included Elite & PSE) and came away with a V3 31 & Ventum 33 (in addition to a RX-5 Ultra). While I haven't gotten the Ultra yet, and after shooting the V3 and Ventum over the last few weeks, the Hoyt just is overall better for me at 30". All great bows and choose what feels good to you. Good video and keep up the great work!
For me the prime has about the same grip as my pse does. I couldn't feel the vibration while shooting the prime nexus 2 . I was shocked with how it handled and shot
I am glad to see this amount of attention from an archery shop. Finding an individual the proper bow is 90 percent of the battle. A person can learn to shoot any firearm, or bow they shoot regularly. Having the ability to compare different bows gives the archer their own confidence in their own decision. I have shot traditional archery for over 30 years. 3-4 years ago when the Hoyt defiant went obsolete, I bought one. It is noisy, compared to a 70" long bow, and 700 grain arrow. It is much faster with a 585 grain arrow. I am going to buy a Hoyt venom 33. At 65 lbs. Draw weight I thought I was drawing 55 lbs. Long story short. Keep spending time with your customers.
if you look at the groups even not using a sight, The Prime gave you the tightest group. I dont know what the big deal is with vibration. One, it after the shot. and Two, i never had a bow where my hand was buzzing after shooting a round. I think its a non issue.
I shoot Prime and am part of a bunch of Prime groups. There is a vibration, but it's solved with a HiTec String stop. $35 and it makes it completely dead!
Was the stand on the Matthew's not taken into account? Would that not have made it more bottom heavy reducing felt shot recoil? Wonder if that was an oversight? Apples to apples the other bows didn't have a stand. I want to try a bunch of bows this year just for fun. I don't see myself changing bows any time soon, just don't have the budget for it lol. Hoyt Carbon Rx1 is here to stay for a few more years I'd say...
@@Shallam10 Me? Never owned a hoyt and how it would affect this? Its a fact that more weight makes it more death, if you dont understand that you are on wrong comment section.
Anyone else notice the stand was left in the Matthew's for all the shots, guess what its like a vibration dampener and weights the bottom differently than normal balance. So much for all being as even as possible...
So fascinating, I love how personal bows and people are. For me having shot these, I love the Prime Nexus over all, because of the back wall and overall way the bow balances in the hand. I think the thing is we all have preferences in what we prefer. Love the journey for everyone
It came down between the PSE EVO & Mathews V3 for me. I went with the V3 as I was more comfortable shooting it. Everyone is different and you have to shoot a variety to determine what is best for you.
I did the same thing as your doing. Had 5 bows setup to shoot. I have no preference in company name. I had a pse for last 10 years. My results were 5th prime 4th pse 3rd Matthews 2nd bowtech 1st was the hoyt ventum 30. To me that was the smoothest shooting. Everybody has different opinions on how the bows feel. I enjoyed the video though. Thanks
Fun fact: just have seen another review, where the draw cycle of the mathews was considered terrible and the Hoyt draw cycle super smooth. Very subjectiv thing.
Showing biased..... not saying that josh or Tim are biased or manipulative or anything but Dan is now sponsored by Mathews for the most part, with Dan being the face/ owner/ operator of ElkShape for the most part, there will be some what of a push in the direction that he goes (unintentionally/subconsciously/unrealized) that’s just human nature.... part of my opinion of not wanting a Mathews comes from my self not likening to be like the masses, I’m gonna pick apart Mathews every step of the way subconsciously....
@@RobertWilliams82-22 you’re right and I respect that. I have tried different manufacturers the last couple of years. This year I almost bought the nexus 4 but bought the V3. I was not able to shoot them side by side but I did shoot them one day apart and I thought the V3 was slightly better for me.
I had the exact opposite experience shooting the V3. Much more aggressive draw cycle. I shot the V3 31 and the ventum 33. the V3 felt at least 5 pounds heavier at 70 lbs. I wonder why you had a different experience. Seems like that wouldnt be something that wouldn't vary person to person. Loved both but the Ventum won me over with the smoother draw cycle.
At what DL did you shoot? If you shoot the ventum 33 at 29" maxed out on the module it shoots the same speed as a ventum 30. That could have been what happened in this video. I must say from looking at this footage it looked like used less efford with the prime and hoyt on the draw.
@@Papakadush I shoot 27.5" draw. What would the difference be? Is there a significant difference in the draw cycle when you're maxed out on the mod vs at the bottom?
@@camlake606 mathews seems to do better with longer draws with these new draw mods. Im 28 inch draw and it seemed hard to keep it on the backwall. Bowtechnician said 29 and 30 inch draws have a better valley!
I’d have to disagree about putting gear on a bow while testing.... I’m not saying he is wrong but when I was testing some bows the other day, it drove me crazy how none of those bows balanced for me.... but balance, hold, back wall and string angle are the bigs ones for me... unless the vibration is like hitting a metal pole with a bat while having a loose grip, the vibration isn’t gonna bother me as much.... that’s just my preference though, like josh said, we will all feel different things.
One day bow shops will allow you to take bows home to really get the feel of what one you like better. I find it so hard to go into a archery shop shoot a bow a few times and then decide what one you want to buy for $1,500 bare. I ran into that with my last Matthews VXR I loved it, but I also loved the revolt x just didn't like the grip. Then bought the bow and felt like I made a mistake because I didn't have long enough time to experience both of them in the elements. And if I would have walked out with both I would have been in trouble at home lol
I felt an upgrade was due after starting out with a Bear cruzer.. used it for two years until the string finally broke. It went thru literally thousands of arrows before it did. (i used it every day at my house since covid hit) i had my heart set on the V3 but finally ended up with the Bowtech Solution with no regrets! 👌😉
This is just an ad lol. That Hoyt has the nicest draw cycle out of all of those. All good bows, but they are pointing out flaws that every other review on these bows contradict.
Draw cycle is 100% a personal review because what is smooth to one is not to another. I have never owned a Matthew's until this year and the Matthew's blewv every single other bow or of the water imo. I have a few friends that were diehard Hoyt guys and they both went with Matthew's and both stated they would likely never buy another Hoyt.
I myself went this past weekend to shoot the new flagship bows. Shot the solution and couldn't get over how much vibration I felt. Shot the nexus2 and felt nothing. Ended up ordering the prime
Yep, I would like to see Steven Hand do this review in Australia. I have a 30" draw. I hunted in 2020 with a Prime Centergy. I'm also a saddle hunter. Former owner of a Prime CT-5. When I bought that bow I didn't own a saddle yet. After shooting all last summer from a 🌳 I realized the difference between the 2 bows. The CT-5 was much harder @ the end of the draw compared to the Centergy. Prime last year revamped with the Black series with the adjustable cam. That was Gen 1 stuff. I don't trust Gen 1. The Nexus is as different to the 2020 Black 3 or 5 as the new Hoyt design change is to the old. When I shot the Nexus 4 recently it was very similar in the draw cycle to the Centergy but with all the advantages that goes into a bow which is about 5 years newer in technology. My Centergy is bone quiet & dead in the hand with a Conquest Archery Control Freak stabilizer. I shot the Nexus 4 @ 62 lbs. & buried my own personal arrow into the bare bail target they had up against the wall which is covered with high impact foam so deep that I had to push the target with my knee away just to get my hand in front of my 4 vanes. The shots I took with it I came away with 1 conclusion. The CT-5 when I draw it with an open hand torqued a little to the left. I shoot an open sight window so I'm looking @ the cables & how they line up with the riser while I'm drawing the bow. The Nexus 4 does not do this. It also has a duller pitch to the shot than the CT-5. Prime shaved down the Nexus riser which leaves the impression of a more streamlined feel than the previous models. I put half down on a Nexus 4 & gladly paid them the $50 custom build fee so I end up with a bow that has the look as well as the stealth that I need in my close encounters with deer which r measured with feet rather than yards.
I've found also that having bows set rite when trying makes a huge difference every time I shoot a prime at a shop it vibrates like crazy but once tuned and string stop set rite 90% of that goes away same with every bow but prime does seem worse with the stiff aluminium they use and the centergy cams
Great video! Tim kept it really honest. MFJJ did a great job talking us viewers through the process. I bought my first bow 11 months ago, and because of COVID my bow shop guy was a little bit more distant, but he let me go back and forth and back and forth until I just felt I knew which one was going to make me happy every time I shot it. The time I spend sticking arrows is the best time of my week. Great episode. Great channel. Moving to PNW this year, so excited to be closer to your "vibe" and looking forward to seeing MFJJ's shop.
The same result I’ve noticed on last few years flagship bows. I currently shoot a bow tech but like the new Mathews bows more than bow tech. Our local archery shop says Mathews is their number 1 bow but bow tech is close.
I personally I'm not that worried about and vibration cuz all of these bows of today or so minimal that it's not that big of an issue. For me draw cycle and grip or two of the most important things first. Then Valley and back wall. But I think one of the most important things for me is to nobility. And in my opinion the BowTech is the easiest bow to tune these days without shims.
What is your opinion on Martin Archery? I wonder why people seldom give Martin Outdoors any love? When I bought my first new bow it came down to Martin or Bear. I now have 5 bows; 2 compounds, 1 take down and two traditional bows. No complaints..
I shot a V3, ventum 30, and prime at my local store yesterday. The Hoyt was much easier and smoother to pull than the Mathews. Mathews felt 5-10 pounds draw heavier. Prime felt like was pulling the least amount of weight, but wasn’t as smooth if that makes sense.
I have a long draw 31.75 I bought the Prime CT9 last year. So for me I asked who mkes a 31+ draw bow. There only 4 or 5 models. Speed is not a huge selling point since I believe there were all within 15 fps of each other. A bow shorter than 35 ATA is too short for my draw. Price did come into play. Hoyt bows were 1800 for target bows which is what I was shopping for. The CT9 was new and was at 1299. Felt great so that's what I went with spent more on my sights and rest. Over all happy with my bow! Good vid and will keep your suggestions in mind while shooting new bows!
I did the same type of search last May. Shot 5 different "flagship" bows and it came down to the '19 Bowtech Realm SS (was new on shelf) and the '20 VXR 31.5. Ended up with the Realm SS on that trip. Was nit-picking to get there as both were neck & neck. Months later, got a VXR as well. I have several now in the "bow room". Good job Tim!
That’s great that your dealer is apples to apples , I feel like my bow tech is super biased and tries to steer you to one bow and puts down your current equipment
I think the added weight down low from the stand on the matthews is an unfair advantage. That’s gonna make the bottom more heavy and act somewhat as a stabilizer and make the bow more stable, just saying. I too have shot the v3 and it has a much more aggressive draw cycle than the prime or bow tech
Have no personal preference haven’t even bought a bow yet but why would you say to not use stabilizers to try and not hide anything yet you leave a bow stand on the Mathews the extra weight would certainly change the feel of the bow?
Ginormous Elite banner and didn't even try one. Hehe. Shooting the Mathews with the stand on is like having a stabilizers on. Although the V3 is nice to shoot regardless.
Great video of side by side shooting! I could easily see down to the last 2 what was going to be eliminated! My V3 is on order being I'm left handed. The bowtech looked sweet too! Keep up the great content!
Whats your thoughts on Josh Bowmar not picking Mathews because it wont torque tune? So you picked it on feel, will you show a vid on you torque tuning it?
The yokes being inside the limbs is awesome too! I built a bow shop in my house last (covid) year and dig working on all my own stuff and now realize why some bow shops prefer certain bows over others.
Mathews v3 is a great rig got one for my first bow and am highly satisfied. May not have the smoothest draw out there but I will bet you that the after shot and quietness factor is what I love most.
@@tylarsamek2075 I'm quite fond of quality as well, but if you're new to archery you don't even know what you like enough to pick between $1000+ bows. That don't even include sight / rest / stabilizer.
@@DarxusC well thanks for the concern. But I think I’m happy and plan to do this for a long time so I wanted something and had the money for it so I got it. And yes I understand there is cheaper options available but they didn’t meet what I wanted.
Most certainly can.. I'm very unsponsored.. At the end of the day it was very close with bowtech, but I really enjoyed the looks and technology of the Mathews along with how it felt - tC
Dude you are the only guy that has said the Hoyt has a harder draw! I mean the only one. Everyone else says the Mathews is harder to draw. 🤷🏻♂️ They do say the Mathews is quieter tho.
I agree with your comment. Only time I heard that hoyt has a rough draw. I know hoyt has gotten quieter but mathews is still quieter. I have always been a hoyt guy but I really want to shoot the mathews and bowtech
I recently tested several of the hoyts vs mathews options and for me the hoyt ventum 30 was much sweeter shooting than the mathews v3 for me. They were close but the ventum 30 was most dead in hand for me so thats what I went with. I had in my head that I was gonna get a mathews but glad I tried the hoyt.
Ive watched this video and did the same test with the exact same bows and I came away with the Solution. I noticed that on the Matthews you have the feet on it. I did not, and would think that having them on would take some of the vibration out of the hand. Over all both great bows but, as you guys said, its personal! Im very satisfied with my Bowtech Solution.
The Ventum is a lot smoother and easier on the shoulder on the draw cycle... the only good thing about the V3 is it's pretty quiet... it's amazing how many V3 are for sale on archerytalk and online everywhere... people are dumping them as fast as I get them... one reason their new cable guard system the lines up with the burger button is a very bad design unless you turn your fletch's just right they will hit those rollers... For me Hoyt PSE Elite and if you can't buy anything else by Mathews... used online haha
The Bowtech Solution is good, but the Solution SS (super smooth) has the smoothest draw of any recent bows. It’s easy to tune with dead-lock technology. Has a forgiving 7 inch brace height…. The clutch grip is incredible, and it’s short 30” ATA is great for tree stands or ground blinds…. It’s also super quiet and dead in the hand I went with the Bowtech Solution SS over the Hoyt or Mathews
How predictable was he choices, you could call it before it started😂😂, he’s the first guy I know that said the venting has harsh draw cycle out of all videos I’ve seen.
Surprised to so many comments about how he had to choose Mathews, as if it was an inferior bow, because of Dan, he had no choice. I went through the same test and was actually already somewhat biased toward the BowTech. I have shot BowTech for five years and love their bows. At first I told the pro shop that I did not even want to shoot a Matthews to test it out. I tested the VXR 31.5 and fell in love with it. I ended up buying the traverse because I had access to one that I could shoot a lot to test it out and it was very similar to the VXR, but I saved several hundred dollars. I am very happy with my Matthews it is the best feeling bow I have ever shot.
I use a Matthews Vertix my cousin uses the VXR and my other cousin uses one of the G5 primes I’m not sure which model it is. We’re playing game of darts 🎯 with the Bows and my cousin with G5prime bow his arrows kept fly right through the target. I couldn’t believe how much penetration he had. We both had a similar setup both of us were shooting 100g, 340 Easton axis 5mm 28’ arrows with a 70lb bows.
Have you guys ever looked into Xpedition bows? I already bought an Xpedition Mountaineer X as my first bow, just curious if you guys or MFJJ have an opinion on them.
Glad we got to see ya try all the bows. But I think we all knew it was between Mathews and bow tech. Kind of crazy there is so much talk of the vibration on the prime when that’s one of their talking points of reducing vibration by 50 percent this year.
I am getting mix review on the Hoyt. A good umber of reviewer says that the draw on Hoyt ventum so smooth that the 70 pound feels like 60, and the Matthew actually feel stiffer. Also the Hoyt feels the least vibration. Are they being paid to say so?
I shot the Ventum 33 the other day. I am not a Hoyt guy at all but considered buying it. I don’t normally like 70lb but the draw felt like 65lb. Very smooth. Is a nice bow. Just heavy. Ended up getting the Nexus 4. The V3 31 was stiffer than the others. I’ve shot Mathews for years.
@@joelbetcher92 thank you for the very throughout reply. I’ve only shoot trad in the past and now am looking to get into compound since I work all the time and only get to shoot once a week. It’d be nice to hit what am looking at. Am doing research on which is best but also looking at used bow, I might not have as much options but currently looking at Matthew vertix and Hoyt helix and rx3. I might go with the rx 3 since it’s being sold by a guy at my club for $1000 bare bow with a rest.
Not really a fair shake if you goin off vibration the matthews weighs more so of course it's gonna have less vibration because of more material but if you were to build the matthews and the bow tech my opinion the bow tech is the better bow
You should have tried the Ventrum 30, its has a different feel than the 33. Also, the Mathews has an audible clicking sound from the limb stops, super annoying.
It looks like he either got tired, or that draw weight is pushing the upper limits. But this was a cool review. I felt like the Bowtech was def more comfortable to him watching the video, but he liked the idea of owning a Mathews. Can't go wrong either way.
I need some help does Mathews offer a bushing that moves the spider claw away from bow riser I’m having clearance issues with my sight thanks for all you guys do
2021 new bow picked out... It's been a fun process finding, building, and bringing you all along.. Build coming next Monday!
Excited for this. Getting my first top of the line bow this year.
You should do a review on your trigger release!
@@annalongfield excited for you 🤘
Alright.. where are you located, I might be coming to see you soon? :)
@@ElkShape where is this shop at? Spokane, WA.?
I think would have been fairer to not have the stand on the Mathews. Would give it more weight at the bottom which would act a bit like a stab. Interested to see if there's a difference with and without the stand.
@@mm2_Arya agreed. Held and drew the Bowtech much better.
@@mm2_Arya What is not to like about a FREE sponsored Bow? :)
I don’t understand the over emphasis on felt vibration. Draw cycle, repeatable low torque grip and how the bow holds on target are way more important. None of the bows really vibrate with a quiver and stabilizers. Vibration is just marketing hype.
Could not disagree more. Vibration equals inefficiency. Any energy that's creating vibration in the riser of the bow is energy that is not going into the arrow. Vibration is also sound, why would you want to shoot a noisy bow?
With or without attachments a bow that vibrates more is louder!.
I agree with Ray. Don't really care about a little vibration once the arrow has already been sent down range. A deer is going to jump from the sound of a mathews just the same as a prime plus I believe the sound of an arrow flying has more effect than the bow.
@@neilbastendorff5483 Exactly! Very well said I couldn't agree more.
Any one who doesn’t agree with this statement also buys a bow every year lol..
Honestly I think tim is an amzing addition to elk shape love seeing him in the vids !! Does a fantastic job glad to be on this journey with everyone at elkshape keep it up guys
Appreciate that my friend
I see an elite sign. . Just curious why no elite I know you can only test so many but I would think elite is more popular than prime. If he doesn’t have them I understand but would have liked to see it
No way prime is why more popular in the PNW
@@joshfernandez3193 yeah have to agree with that. Prime is def more popular than Elite
Prime 👍
I would have liked to see an Elite included in the review as well. I have been hearing some good things about the Encore and would have liked to see how it stacked up against the others.
@@RP-rc5cz I would of too. I wanted to shoot elite pretty bad but I guess they only ship to customers direct now. How are you supposed to shoot it first? My shop stopped carrying Elite 2 years ago because of that apparently . Only shop in the state.
No elite!? No PSE!? C'mon guys...
With covid Mathews is out to June to order a bow all other companies are similar we are way behind on getting 2021 bows
agree
@@milkrvr4088 two shops local to me had v3s hanging on the wall. Walked in and grabbed a stone 27 without a wait.
@@fr8cture yeah you didn’t build a bow and order it we have 6 v3s on the shelf but if you make your own there’s a wait
PSE still makes a bow ?😎
Why didn't u let him shoot a prime nexus 4 since he has a longer draw length?
I've tried every bow on your list plus a few more and I settled on the Bowtech.
Bowtech is the best!
Best. Refuse to follow
I got the SS, I love it!
Agreed, just went and shot the solution and the Mathews. The Mathews draw is pretty terrible? Why is no one talking about it?
@@davidprice2773 because the felt vibration means everything. Lol “sarcasm”
Shooting them side/side, if possible, is a great way to make a decision. I shot all of the major brands (included Elite & PSE) and came away with a V3 31 & Ventum 33 (in addition to a RX-5 Ultra). While I haven't gotten the Ultra yet, and after shooting the V3 and Ventum over the last few weeks, the Hoyt just is overall better for me at 30". All great bows and choose what feels good to you. Good video and keep up the great work!
For me the prime has about the same grip as my pse does. I couldn't feel the vibration while shooting the prime nexus 2 . I was shocked with how it handled and shot
I am glad to see this amount of attention from an archery shop. Finding an individual the proper bow is 90 percent of the battle. A person can learn to shoot any firearm, or bow they shoot regularly. Having the ability to compare different bows gives the archer their own confidence in their own decision. I have shot traditional archery for over 30 years. 3-4 years ago when the Hoyt defiant went obsolete, I bought one. It is noisy, compared to a 70" long bow, and 700 grain arrow. It is much faster with a 585 grain arrow. I am going to buy a Hoyt venom 33. At 65 lbs. Draw weight I thought I was drawing 55 lbs. Long story short. Keep spending time with your customers.
if you look at the groups even not using a sight, The Prime gave you the tightest group. I dont know what the big deal is with vibration. One, it after the shot. and Two, i never had a bow where my hand was buzzing after shooting a round. I think its a non issue.
I shoot Prime and am part of a bunch of Prime groups. There is a vibration, but it's solved with a HiTec String stop. $35 and it makes it completely dead!
Agree
Was the stand on the Matthew's not taken into account? Would that not have made it more bottom heavy reducing felt shot recoil? Wonder if that was an oversight? Apples to apples the other bows didn't have a stand. I want to try a bunch of bows this year just for fun. I don't see myself changing bows any time soon, just don't have the budget for it lol. Hoyt Carbon Rx1 is here to stay for a few more years I'd say...
Sneaky way of adding wait to a bow to take vibration out like adding a bow stand to the bottom limb😁👍
My wife knows nothing about bows and she said the same thing lol
Guy is talking about fair comparison ;) Sure its more death with that stand, what a stupid comparison.
Hoyt guy?
@@Shallam10 Me? Never owned a hoyt and how it would affect this? Its a fact that more weight makes it more death, if you dont understand that you are on wrong comment section.
@@JJ79_ well I own a v3 without the leg limb it’s dead in the hands. So mystery solved.
Anyone else notice the stand was left in the Matthew's for all the shots, guess what its like a vibration dampener and weights the bottom differently than normal balance. So much for all being as even as possible...
I know right.....when he talked all that and then left that on the matthews I did an actual LOL. Then he picked it and another LOL
So fascinating, I love how personal bows and people are. For me having shot these, I love the Prime Nexus over all, because of the back wall and overall way the bow balances in the hand. I think the thing is we all have preferences in what we prefer. Love the journey for everyone
For sure! Thanks G
It came down between the PSE EVO & Mathews V3 for me. I went with the V3 as I was more comfortable shooting it. Everyone is different and you have to shoot a variety to determine what is best for you.
Can tell you didn't want hoyt, cause every other review I have seen is its a very smooth draw and has a solid backstop
I did the same thing as your doing. Had 5 bows setup to shoot. I have no preference in company name. I had a pse for last 10 years. My results were 5th prime 4th pse 3rd Matthews 2nd bowtech 1st was the hoyt ventum 30. To me that was the smoothest shooting. Everybody has different opinions on how the bows feel. I enjoyed the video though. Thanks
Fun fact: just have seen another review, where the draw cycle of the mathews was considered terrible and the Hoyt draw cycle super smooth. Very subjectiv thing.
Bows feel different for different people.
The bows don't feel different to different people... most people are just outrageously bad at being consistent and objective.
Showing biased..... not saying that josh or Tim are biased or manipulative or anything but Dan is now sponsored by Mathews for the most part, with Dan being the face/ owner/ operator of ElkShape for the most part, there will be some what of a push in the direction that he goes (unintentionally/subconsciously/unrealized) that’s just human nature.... part of my opinion of not wanting a Mathews comes from my self not likening to be like the masses, I’m gonna pick apart Mathews every step of the way subconsciously....
Tim and josh, I mean NO disrespect....
@@RobertWilliams82-22 you’re right and I respect that. I have tried different manufacturers the last couple of years. This year I almost bought the nexus 4 but bought the V3. I was not able to shoot them side by side but I did shoot them one day apart and I thought the V3 was slightly better for me.
The Matthews had too much jump and vibration for me last year at 30.5" draw, bought the Revolt and feel like I won't go back. Great review though!
I just let this play in the background while putting on my sugru grip just to listen how long it took to get to a V3
I had the exact opposite experience shooting the V3. Much more aggressive draw cycle. I shot the V3 31 and the ventum 33. the V3 felt at least 5 pounds heavier at 70 lbs. I wonder why you had a different experience. Seems like that wouldnt be something that wouldn't vary person to person. Loved both but the Ventum won me over with the smoother draw cycle.
interesting!
At what DL did you shoot? If you shoot the ventum 33 at 29" maxed out on the module it shoots the same speed as a ventum 30. That could have been what happened in this video.
I must say from looking at this footage it looked like used less efford with the prime and hoyt on the draw.
@@Papakadush I shoot 27.5" draw. What would the difference be? Is there a significant difference in the draw cycle when you're maxed out on the mod vs at the bottom?
@@camlake606 mathews seems to do better with longer draws with these new draw mods. Im 28 inch draw and it seemed hard to keep it on the backwall. Bowtechnician said 29 and 30 inch draws have a better valley!
Ventum was way smoother and lighter feeling draw to me too.
I’d have to disagree about putting gear on a bow while testing.... I’m not saying he is wrong but when I was testing some bows the other day, it drove me crazy how none of those bows balanced for me.... but balance, hold, back wall and string angle are the bigs ones for me... unless the vibration is like hitting a metal pole with a bat while having a loose grip, the vibration isn’t gonna bother me as much.... that’s just my preference though, like josh said, we will all feel different things.
One day bow shops will allow you to take bows home to really get the feel of what one you like better. I find it so hard to go into a archery shop shoot a bow a few times and then decide what one you want to buy for $1,500 bare. I ran into that with my last Matthews VXR I loved it, but I also loved the revolt x just didn't like the grip. Then bought the bow and felt like I made a mistake because I didn't have long enough time to experience both of them in the elements. And if I would have walked out with both I would have been in trouble at home lol
I felt an upgrade was due after starting out with a Bear cruzer.. used it for two years until the string finally broke. It went thru literally thousands of arrows before it did. (i used it every day at my house since covid hit) i had my heart set on the V3 but finally ended up with the Bowtech Solution with no regrets! 👌😉
A little unfair comparison when the V3 has a stand mounted to the bottom of the bow that would reduce vibration and help with balance.
All that effort to keep the variables the same and then a bow stand is left on one of the bows. Hard to fathom.
This is just an ad lol. That Hoyt has the nicest draw cycle out of all of those. All good bows, but they are pointing out flaws that every other review on these bows contradict.
Im a mathews guy but i know hoyt has a smooth draw cycle so his answer caught me off guard.
Draw cycle is 100% a personal review because what is smooth to one is not to another. I have never owned a Matthew's until this year and the Matthew's blewv every single other bow or of the water imo. I have a few friends that were diehard Hoyt guys and they both went with Matthew's and both stated they would likely never buy another Hoyt.
Maybe it's just me but it you looked a little more shaky with the mathews than you did the bowtech.
I myself went this past weekend to shoot the new flagship bows. Shot the solution and couldn't get over how much vibration I felt. Shot the nexus2 and felt nothing. Ended up ordering the prime
Yep, I would like to see Steven Hand do this review in Australia. I have a 30" draw. I hunted in 2020 with a Prime Centergy. I'm also a saddle hunter. Former owner of a Prime CT-5. When I bought that bow I didn't own a saddle yet. After shooting all last summer from a 🌳 I realized the difference between the 2 bows. The CT-5 was much harder @ the end of the draw compared to the Centergy. Prime last year revamped with the Black series with the adjustable cam. That was Gen 1 stuff. I don't trust Gen 1. The Nexus is as different to the 2020 Black 3 or 5 as the new Hoyt design change is to the old. When I shot the Nexus 4 recently it was very similar in the draw cycle to the Centergy but with all the advantages that goes into a bow which is about 5 years newer in technology. My Centergy is bone quiet & dead in the hand with a Conquest Archery Control Freak stabilizer. I shot the Nexus 4 @ 62 lbs. & buried my own personal arrow into the bare bail target they had up against the wall which is covered with high impact foam so deep that I had to push the target with my knee away just to get my hand in front of my 4 vanes. The shots I took with it I came away with 1 conclusion. The CT-5 when I draw it with an open hand torqued a little to the left. I shoot an open sight window so I'm looking @ the cables & how they line up with the riser while I'm drawing the bow. The Nexus 4 does not do this. It also has a duller pitch to the shot than the CT-5. Prime shaved down the Nexus riser which leaves the impression of a more streamlined feel than the previous models. I put half down on a Nexus 4 & gladly paid them the $50 custom build fee so I end up with a bow that has the look as well as the stealth that I need in my close encounters with deer which r measured with feet rather than yards.
It took all of 2 arrows down range for me to put my order in for the Solution. Loved everything about it.
Very cool.. glad you dig it - tC
Tim, genuine question, why no PSE? Do they not carry them at the shop, or other reasons? Not biased to any myself. Just wondering. Thanks
I agree, from what I’ve heard PSE has really jumped into the very top this year
Need to change the title to the best flag ship bows that I sell.
@@duesing6 was gonna say the same 😉
It was not at the shop yet.. MFJJ just got it, and is testing actually - TC
I've found also that having bows set rite when trying makes a huge difference every time I shoot a prime at a shop it vibrates like crazy but once tuned and string stop set rite 90% of that goes away same with every bow but prime does seem worse with the stiff aluminium they use and the centergy cams
interesting..
Great video! Tim kept it really honest. MFJJ did a great job talking us viewers through the process. I bought my first bow 11 months ago, and because of COVID my bow shop guy was a little bit more distant, but he let me go back and forth and back and forth until I just felt I knew which one was going to make me happy every time I shot it. The time I spend sticking arrows is the best time of my week. Great episode. Great channel. Moving to PNW this year, so excited to be closer to your "vibe" and looking forward to seeing MFJJ's shop.
Cheers lads! That revue was well wicked. The way you tested and the criteria used made great sense. Helps me a bunch.
Glad it helped!
The same result I’ve noticed on last few years flagship bows. I currently shoot a bow tech but like the new Mathews bows more than bow tech. Our local archery shop says Mathews is their number 1 bow but bow tech is close.
Mathews is way more popular East of the Mississippi. Bowtech is hard to pass up in the PNW.
I just went through this process last month. Have shot hoyt for a while. But chose Mathews for the same reasons. Currently love my V3
Very cool!
I personally I'm not that worried about and vibration cuz all of these bows of today or so minimal that it's not that big of an issue. For me draw cycle and grip or two of the most important things first. Then Valley and back wall. But I think one of the most important things for me is to nobility. And in my opinion the BowTech is the easiest bow to tune these days without shims.
What is your opinion on Martin Archery? I wonder why people seldom give Martin Outdoors any love? When I bought my first new bow it came down to Martin or Bear. I now have 5 bows; 2 compounds, 1 take down and two traditional bows. No complaints..
I shot a V3, ventum 30, and prime at my local store yesterday. The Hoyt was much easier and smoother to pull than the Mathews. Mathews felt 5-10 pounds draw heavier. Prime felt like was pulling the least amount of weight, but wasn’t as smooth if that makes sense.
Same here.
did the prime felt smoother than the Mathews?
@@letshred9479 no, prime didn’t feel smooth to me. Just didn’t feel as heavy of a draw as either the Hoyt or Mathews. I ended up going with the Hoyt
Exact same for me. To me the Matthews had a big hump on the draw and the hoyt was so smooth.
I have a long draw 31.75 I bought the Prime CT9 last year. So for me I asked who mkes a 31+ draw bow. There only 4 or 5 models. Speed is not a huge selling point since I believe there were all within 15 fps of each other. A bow shorter than 35 ATA is too short for my draw. Price did come into play. Hoyt bows were 1800 for target bows which is what I was shopping for. The CT9 was new and was at 1299. Felt great so that's what I went with spent more on my sights and rest. Over all happy with my bow! Good vid and will keep your suggestions in mind while shooting new bows!
I did the same type of search last May. Shot 5 different "flagship" bows and it came down to the '19 Bowtech Realm SS (was new on shelf) and the '20 VXR 31.5. Ended up with the Realm SS on that trip. Was nit-picking to get there as both were neck & neck. Months later, got a VXR as well. I have several now in the "bow room". Good job Tim!
That’s great that your dealer is apples to apples , I feel like my bow tech is super biased and tries to steer you to one bow and puts down your current equipment
You from Oregon? Sounds like a shop I go to as well
@@jakepeleshuck3701 I’m from Illinois, but I’ve been to a couple shops where they’re like that
I think the added weight down low from the stand on the matthews is an unfair advantage. That’s gonna make the bottom more heavy and act somewhat as a stabilizer and make the bow more stable, just saying. I too have shot the v3 and it has a much more aggressive draw cycle than the prime or bow tech
A agreed. Poor oversight.
Have no personal preference haven’t even bought a bow yet but why would you say to not use stabilizers to try and not hide anything yet you leave a bow stand on the Mathews the extra weight would certainly change the feel of the bow?
Ginormous Elite banner and didn't even try one. Hehe. Shooting the Mathews with the stand on is like having a stabilizers on. Although the V3 is nice to shoot regardless.
Great video of side by side shooting! I could easily see down to the last 2 what was going to be eliminated! My V3 is on order being I'm left handed. The bowtech looked sweet too! Keep up the great content!
Whats your thoughts on Josh Bowmar not picking Mathews because it wont torque tune? So you picked it on feel, will you show a vid on you torque tuning it?
Shouldn't you be taking off the bow stand for comparison testing?
Since I like working on my own bow, that bowtech tuning system is a game changer for me. But all great bows
The yokes being inside the limbs is awesome too! I built a bow shop in my house last (covid) year and dig working on all my own stuff and now realize why some bow shops prefer certain bows over others.
Mathews v3 is a great rig got one for my first bow and am highly satisfied. May not have the smoothest draw out there but I will bet you that the after shot and quietness factor is what I love most.
Seems nuts to spend so much money on a first bow.
@@DarxusC if you got the money to do it and you want the best then spending the money is definitely worth it. I like quality over quantity
@@tylarsamek2075 I'm quite fond of quality as well, but if you're new to archery you don't even know what you like enough to pick between $1000+ bows. That don't even include sight / rest / stabilizer.
@@DarxusC well thanks for the concern. But I think I’m happy and plan to do this for a long time so I wanted something and had the money for it so I got it. And yes I understand there is cheaper options available but they didn’t meet what I wanted.
@@tylarsamek2075 how can you even comment when you've shot and owned one bow?!!!
I don't think he would be allowed to pick another bow on film on this channel due to Dan's sponsorship.
Most certainly can.. I'm very unsponsored.. At the end of the day it was very close with bowtech, but I really enjoyed the looks and technology of the Mathews along with how it felt - tC
Dude you are the only guy that has said the Hoyt has a harder draw! I mean the only one. Everyone else says the Mathews is harder to draw. 🤷🏻♂️
They do say the Mathews is quieter tho.
I agree with your comment. Only time I heard that hoyt has a rough draw. I know hoyt has gotten quieter but mathews is still quieter. I have always been a hoyt guy but I really want to shoot the mathews and bowtech
@@brettgerhart5073 yes sir! I’m a lefty and I haven’t been able to shoot the new bows yet. But I will!
It is I just drew the short and long version. Its way harder to draw that bow compared to my z7
I was thinking the same thing, the draw is smoother than the V3 and Enkore. I’m still waiting to test the Solution.
@@indianapublicland7429 yea i ended up going with the hoyt the draw was smoother and it felt like i was drawing more weight on the mathews.
Need a bow tech like Josh near me. Most of them around here are lets sell the bow do a basic set up and get you out the door.
I recently tested several of the hoyts vs mathews options and for me the hoyt ventum 30 was much sweeter shooting than the mathews v3 for me. They were close but the ventum 30 was most dead in hand for me so thats what I went with. I had in my head that I was gonna get a mathews but glad I tried the hoyt.
Glad you found the bow for you, it's all good - TC
Anyone shooting the Hoyt vtm vs the Mathew’s v3x and they aren’t coached on what to think then they typically choose the Hoyt…
Great work! Keep on marking great videos!
I agree . I’m kinda disappointed when there ya not a new video in the AM . Love the channel
Ive watched this video and did the same test with the exact same bows and I came away with the Solution. I noticed that on the Matthews you have the feet on it. I did not, and would think that having them on would take some of the vibration out of the hand. Over all both great bows but, as you guys said, its personal! Im very satisfied with my Bowtech Solution.
Put string stops on all other bows like the mathews comes with makes a huge difference that will be a true comparison..
Where is the Elite at? Saw a sign but no bow.
The Ventum is a lot smoother and easier on the shoulder on the draw cycle... the only good thing about the V3 is it's pretty quiet... it's amazing how many V3 are for sale on archerytalk and online everywhere... people are dumping them as fast as I get them... one reason their new cable guard system the lines up with the burger button is a very bad design unless you turn your fletch's just right they will hit those rollers...
For me Hoyt PSE Elite and if you can't buy anything else by Mathews... used online haha
The Bowtech Solution is good, but the Solution SS (super smooth) has the smoothest draw of any recent bows. It’s easy to tune with dead-lock technology. Has a forgiving 7 inch brace height…. The clutch grip is incredible, and it’s short 30” ATA is great for tree stands or ground blinds…. It’s also super quiet and dead in the hand
I went with the Bowtech Solution SS over the Hoyt or Mathews
So i live in mexico, hard to get a gun. So wich combat bow you recommend?
Tim you got to work on looking at people talking to you and not at camera but awesome video. Y’all have me wanting a new bow
Congrats! You guys are phenomenal! I really appreciate the honesty and attention to detail.
Thanks so much!
And by all the flagship bows I mean only 4 brands and only ones that are close in specs to the matthews.
How predictable was he choices, you could call it before it started😂😂, he’s the first guy I know that said the venting has harsh draw cycle out of all videos I’ve seen.
Where did you get your hats @podiumarcher & @timconnor?
Surprised to so many comments about how he had to choose Mathews, as if it was an inferior bow, because of Dan, he had no choice.
I went through the same test and was actually already somewhat biased toward the BowTech. I have shot BowTech for five years and love their bows.
At first I told the pro shop that I did not even want to shoot a Matthews to test it out.
I tested the VXR 31.5 and fell in love with it.
I ended up buying the traverse because I had access to one that I could shoot a lot to test it out and it was very similar to the VXR, but I saved several hundred dollars.
I am very happy with my Matthews it is the best feeling bow I have ever shot.
Think smoothness had anything to do with the stand and string suppressors on the Mathews? I bet it would’ve been a harder decision without those.
Congrats Tim, I love my V3 and I’m excited to see what you throw on it! Now swap that engage grip for an ultraview grip 😉
I got the Vxr 31.5 and I love mine! Hansen’s Custom Flies is right you have to get the ultraview grip!
If that Prime was vibrating it wasn't set up right or something was loose.
Go figure...they pick their #1 sponsor
Good video either way. Love the channel
I use a Matthews Vertix my cousin uses the VXR and my other cousin uses one of the G5 primes I’m not sure which model it is. We’re playing game of darts 🎯 with the Bows and my cousin with G5prime bow his arrows kept fly right through the target. I couldn’t believe how much penetration he had. We both had a similar setup both of us were shooting 100g, 340 Easton axis 5mm 28’ arrows with a 70lb bows.
A little strange that everyone seems to be saying that the Ventum is super smooth, and saying the opposite here...
I shot them all over the weekend. Also the pse embark. Bowtech solution was my favorite. Also liked the embark but is just to slow for me.
I did the exact same thing yesterday and came up with the 2 same bows. What decided it for me was the V3 was 20fps faster.
How do you tell people you are pulling to much weight?? I felt he was struggling.
I was the same way picked all the flagship bows, I was stuck between the Matthews v3 and the Hoyt RX5 .
Have you guys ever looked into Xpedition bows? I already bought an Xpedition Mountaineer X as my first bow, just curious if you guys or MFJJ have an opinion on them.
I have Elite and Mathews , and I can say for sure Elite on a windy day in a field does not ack like a sail , but my Mathew Vertix does
@elkshape where can I find the vid about top hat adjustments that was mention in this video?
I haven’t finished yet but it looks like the bowtech should be your bow.
Great review, very thorough and methodical. Well done. I learned from it. Thanks!
Great pick welcome too the Mathews Family.
first review of the hoyt having handshock.......
I felt none shooting mine fir the first time
Or a rough draw, it’s smooth with a very little peak before the rollover
If you're going to drop 1K+ on a bow it makes no difference, all are great options.
Glad we got to see ya try all the bows. But I think we all knew it was between Mathews and bow tech. Kind of crazy there is so much talk of the vibration on the prime when that’s one of their talking points of reducing vibration by 50 percent this year.
I am getting mix review on the Hoyt. A good umber of reviewer says that the draw on Hoyt ventum so smooth that the 70 pound feels like 60, and the Matthew actually feel stiffer. Also the Hoyt feels the least vibration. Are they being paid to say so?
It's just a very subjective topic... You should certainly shoot and see for yourself if possible 👍👍 - tc
I shot the Ventum 33 the other day. I am not a Hoyt guy at all but considered buying it. I don’t normally like 70lb but the draw felt like 65lb. Very smooth. Is a nice bow. Just heavy. Ended up getting the Nexus 4. The V3 31 was stiffer than the others. I’ve shot Mathews for years.
@@joelbetcher92 thank you for the very throughout reply. I’ve only shoot trad in the past and now am looking to get into compound since I work all the time and only get to shoot once a week. It’d be nice to hit what am looking at. Am doing research on which is best but also looking at used bow, I might not have as much options but currently looking at Matthew vertix and Hoyt helix and rx3. I might go with the rx 3 since it’s being sold by a guy at my club for $1000 bare bow with a rest.
Do all of these bows come in at roughly the same price point? At what point do you suggest considering cost?
Great comparison video 👍🏼 Which setting was the Solution in, Comfort or Performance?
Just bought the Matthew's this morning!
Was the bowtech on comfort or performance setting?
Plus the foot stand helps stabilize
Not really a fair shake if you goin off vibration the matthews weighs more so of course it's gonna have less vibration because of more material but if you were to build the matthews and the bow tech my opinion the bow tech is the better bow
What's that release? I'm having a hard time getting one I like and feel comfortable.in my hand and that looks to be a fairly big release.
You should have tried the Ventrum 30, its has a different feel than the 33. Also, the Mathews has an audible clicking sound from the limb stops, super annoying.
It looks like he either got tired, or that draw weight is pushing the upper limits. But this was a cool review. I felt like the Bowtech was def more comfortable to him watching the video, but he liked the idea of owning a Mathews. Can't go wrong either way.
Why No PSE or Elite?
I need some help does Mathews offer a bushing that moves the spider claw away from bow riser I’m having clearance issues with my sight thanks for all you guys do
Yes
My man! Welcome to the family lol!
RUEB!! u know
I know it's close range but need to pay attention to your 3 shot groups bow may not feel the best but accuracy should be your number one goal
That would be a good point IF the bows were set up and tuned. These are off tge shelf with a rest stuck on them.