Dude this channel is insane. The videos are super well researched and structured. You can tell a lot of time was put into them. Love your stuff :D Greeting from Germany
I love how you made an advanced guide on hunting horn! Literally the only dedicated hunting horn TH-camr I know! There is one critic id like to address. On 8:18 you forgot to mention that bubbles after when stacked with 2-3 songs after encore they last longer and the area gets slightly larger. Such a miniscule thing but thought I mentioned all in all love what you do!
A very good point! A fellow hunting horn player also mentioned this to me before I made the video public. I really contemplated on adding it but like you said, it is such a minute detail that not many will take advantage of that so I simply chose to leave it out of the video. Perhaps I can add it in the data table in the remarks. I really have no time to do some testing though, but I would appreciate it very much if someone can help me with the numbers!
@@MrAddummm It's honestly not useful to do while in combat so its sorta useless to know. Although when u have 3 echo bubbles songs stacked and performed the encore afterwards it leaves a longer lasting, sleightly bigger bubble. Try it in the training yard
@@NopeKickEm when i first read your comment i thought you were saying that the buffs themselves lasted longer, which i really wished. but later i understand what you meant. i did try it out and you're right it's almost unnoticeable.
Been waiting for this one ! As usual, thanks for the well made and well researched video, it's really helpful to have all of this information condensed in one place and easily available
I watched this before your video of attacking and positioning in HH and I still cant do it properly, but then THANKFULLY you released another video that makes a LOT more easier to apply especially for newbies.
Pure love is what you have for this awesome game and HH. Love this guide, now thx to Arekkz, Grifted and You, we have a great Master guide for HH. Keep the good work, greetings from Colombia
On the data table the elemental resist songs list the XL buff as 15 resist, I find it only gives 10, it's when it gets paired with elemental effectiveness up that it increases to 15. Also the Blight resist extension is blight resist L, not just extended, it goes from 5 all elemental resist to 10 all elemental resist (again 15 when paired with elemental effectiveness up). I don't have a friend HH user or else I would test whether or not blight resist will stack with a specific elemental resist song. It would be interesting to see how they interact with eachother and with elemental effectiveness up together if they stack. When I first saw this was posted I was hoping it was going to go into the intricacies of how each song works. As an example, how attack up buffs your base raw, is multiplicative with other percentage gains like self improvement and fortify, works on augments and awakenings that add to your base, but not on things like attack boost skill or power charms or demondrug. A video detailing everything about each song would be interesting to watch.
Thank you very much for these, I will update the table accordingly. Unfortunately, I don't think I have the time nor the patience of doing as you've suggested regarding numbers and stats. I think probably this is something that the Mathalos guys can cover.
@@Taxman_HH It does, offhand I believe that elemental attack boost and elemental effectiveness up added up to a %20 buff, but I could be misremembering and would have to go back and test it again.
Wow m8. That is some really interesting, well put together, information. Thanks a lot because I just learned a lot. :D Really high quality video altogether. Keep it up!
I've done a lot of googling on HH mechanics, and this is one of the best resources I've come across. Such a great video, kudos. I have a question tho, does the melody "All Melody Effects Extended" prolong the melody for the whole initial & extended part, or some other value entirely? Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback! To simplify "All Melody Effects Extended" prolongs whatever buff you currently have on. Say for example you only have AuL initial effect then someone does All Melody Effects Extended, your AuL buff will get increased in its duration (but won't exceed Initial Max Duration) but it won't get upgraded to AuXL. Hope that clarifies or answers your question. You should check out our "Best Ways to use Recital & Encores" video if you haven't yet. Thank you! th-cam.com/video/iGYsIaHr4Xc/w-d-xo.html
Your videos are amazing^^ Im really happy i found this channel that got my love for the HH going, and that teached me to dodge correctly. Keep up the great work^^
Great stuff! Love this video, I was actually quite curious about the damage output for spin vs echo vs dragon so this helps loads! A lot of neat stuff to keep in mind about the mechanics of this amazing weapon. I appreciate the time you take to research and make these videos. It's amazing to have such a resource!
Great!! A very informative video indeed. The last part was really important, the echo wave combo and impact/dragon wave combos. I think the setup for the Dragon/impact wave is bit too much to be completely reliable.
Thanks for the video once again. Started playing HH after watching your videos, now I have two builds that I use for most monsters except few flying ones which are annoying with melee weapons.
Great video, but I would be interested in going into more depth about the differences between the dragon and impact echo wave songs. I had no idea before watching this video that dragon actually did more damage (to be honest I rarely use it). But how do they compare for KO? Pretty sure impact gets a bonus there, but haven't seen it quantified. Also, how much is the dragon damage affected but a monster's dragon HZV and does it have any additional effects like elderseal?
Hello, the answer is a bit technical but I did include it in the description. Dragon Waves have more Raw motion values than they do Dragon Element bonus (fixed amount). bit.ly/MHWIWeaponAttackTables
Very good question, I would suggest Impact since the stun values are much higher and because three impact waves are added linearly without diminishing returns
@@Taxman_HH So you are btting on potential stun wakeup rather then pure damage from dragon waves? hmmmm i should probably test it out myself on different monsters
@@PoW3R8 Dragonwaves have diminishing returns when 3x encored. The difference in damage is probably less than 30 dmg, as far as I know. Then you have to consider that some monsters have strong dragon resistances. I would rather just simplify and go for the good old trusty impact waves for wakeup
@@Taxman_HH So i did my first test; Weapon: The Rasping Ballad Monster: Rathian Status: Broken head, tenderized head, Sleeping Dragon wave: 1283 Impact wave: 1190 And so far i think that you were right about using unga wave for wake up
I just realized though, with crit + crit boost AND tenderizing the face, the spin attack is gonna have the highest DPS no matter what right ? Because the waves aren't affected by Tenderized parts if i'm not mistaken
The waves are definitely effected by the hzv buff from tenderising tough. Also with safi weapons you always have either an element or a status so the spin gets extra points in my book.
The waves are affected by softened part, however, I do notice one thing that he didn't point out in the video. Normally, a single dragon wave attack do around 245 damage per blast, yet when you gathered up triple dragon wave, your damage will look at somewhere around 550. However in the way of impact wave, you do around 170 damage per blast, yet around 660 when you gather up triple impact wave. What that means is that impact wave is a way better option to sleepbomb than dragon wave. I'm not sure if this just happen to me, but it could just because the monster I was fighting when I realized this was weak against dragon, but it's been happening so often that I can't overlook it.
@@KaiserFlame_ this is correct, I believe this is included in the Motion Values table I linked in the description. Dragon waves have a dkminishing rate while impact is additive linearly
@@KaiserFlame_ the mv on 3x impact wave is 1.50 which is huge!! 3X Dragon only has like 0.85 and like 200 element so yea unless its super weak to dragon impact wave is best for wakeup, it also has a 1.1 partbreak mod!
Hi, im glad you made a hunting horn video.You think you can upload some hunting horn team gameplay? like maybe a few fights, like how you keep the songs up. also the queuing of songs. and lastly would u suggest using echo waves in fights and when.
Hello, we may have what you already need actually: Guide on when to do recitals: th-cam.com/video/iGYsIaHr4Xc/w-d-xo.html Team Gameplay with some random Tips & Advice (you can skip the set building and go straight to the gameplay): Team vs Nergigante: th-cam.com/video/6WVdyqdyPho/w-d-xo.html Team vs Silver Rathalos: th-cam.com/video/KNcoIzJk-k8/w-d-xo.html Regarding queuing of songs, I am preparing a video some time soon, so I kindly ask for your patience. :) For echo waves, to me personally, I would do these only when I have two or three Echo Songs stored and only when the monster is KO'd. Most often I would choose Spin Attacks simply because of how versatile they are.
Hey MHWPHE! Do you mind if I can get an updated link on the Monster Hunter World Speedrunning and Exploits discord server? The one in description is expired. Thank you very much!
I'm probably too dumb, but does this mean there's no point playing all melody extended song when I have HM+2 equipped? (this is assuming I'm playing solo or the only hornist in the group)
greetings 🤗 i just wanna ask, is song evade windows up stacks with deco evade windows? because others said that it doesn't stack up and when i read the excel you provided it said it stacks.. im really confused, will be waiting for your reply 😊
@@Taxman_HH thank you so much for the reply, so meaning i just need evade window 3 to have a max level of evade window when use with song buff. take care thank you so much!
First of all: Most informative and interesting HH video I've ever seen. This really is one of the (if not the) best source for MH meta content! Now my question: since the 'melody extended' song only extends the duration by 50 seconds (with HM2) you'd have to doot every 50 seconds to constantly keep your songs up throughout the whole hunt. This sounds annoying especially for big GL sessions for example. So is this song really that valuable? Since AuL is active for a whole 4 minutes (and other songs even hold longer) you could just doot all songs every 3-4 minutes instead of dooting the extender-song every 50 seconds. Edit: additionally, the other song of the melody-extender horns are really not that interesting. You basically only habe AuL and Self improvement
That's a good question. The intended use for the Melody Extend song is to be used in the middle of a hunt. When your group is done killing the monster, you don't bother with Melody Extend and just let the songs expire. Then you should re-cast with Attack Up XL once you re-engage with a new enemy again. Sometimes, in the middle of the hunt, you can choose to cast AuXL instead of Melody Extend and that is also acceptable (sometimes even more efficient). Hope that helps!
Dragon Waves have combination of Raw + Dragon Element motion values. It relies much heavily on RAW motion values (based on your attack power) than on its added dragon element (fixed amount) bit.ly/MHWIWeaponAttackTables
Does anyone know the Motion values and KO values for impact and dragon wave? I would love to know :) Also great video! Answered allot of questions I've had for a while. GJ!
Thank you! Yes my friend, the motion values are actually in the description. I'm sorry I wasn't able to mention this in the video but please feel free to check it out. It's the fourth linked url in the description, I believe.
Encored bubbles only refreshes the duration and the buff is not improved. If you encore multiple bubbles (Two or Three songs) the bubble left on the ground is bigger. This has more uses and lasts longer but ultimately, the buff any player receives is the same.
You can play up to 3 songs consecutively by just starting a recital and waiting before doing anything else, a subsequent encore will encore all songs played.
Dude this channel is insane. The videos are super well researched and structured. You can tell a lot of time was put into them. Love your stuff :D Greeting from Germany
I love how you made an advanced guide on hunting horn! Literally the only dedicated hunting horn TH-camr I know! There is one critic id like to address.
On 8:18 you forgot to mention that bubbles after when stacked with 2-3 songs after encore they last longer and the area gets slightly larger. Such a miniscule thing but thought I mentioned all in all love what you do!
A very good point!
A fellow hunting horn player also mentioned this to me before I made the video public. I really contemplated on adding it but like you said, it is such a minute detail that not many will take advantage of that so I simply chose to leave it out of the video.
Perhaps I can add it in the data table in the remarks. I really have no time to do some testing though, but I would appreciate it very much if someone can help me with the numbers!
what? can you explain? you have to recite or encore the the bubble 3 times for it to get these effects?
@@MrAddummm It's honestly not useful to do while in combat so its sorta useless to know. Although when u have 3 echo bubbles songs stacked and performed the encore afterwards it leaves a longer lasting, sleightly bigger bubble.
Try it in the training yard
@@NopeKickEm when i first read your comment i thought you were saying that the buffs themselves lasted longer, which i really wished. but later i understand what you meant. i did try it out and you're right it's almost unnoticeable.
@Jamie Klayshere and griffted there's 2 more
Been waiting for this one !
As usual, thanks for the well made and well researched video, it's really helpful to have all of this information condensed in one place and easily available
Pretty freaking amazing video. Incredibly well put together and actually interesting/useful for advanced HH players.
I watched this before your video of attacking and positioning in HH and I still cant do it properly, but then THANKFULLY you released another video that makes a LOT more easier to apply especially for newbies.
Pure love is what you have for this awesome game and HH. Love this guide, now thx to Arekkz, Grifted and You, we have a great Master guide for HH. Keep the good work, greetings from Colombia
I never thought I'd be learning to hunt monsters from Cesar Millan 😊 "the key is to show dominance!"❤
This video is amazing. I'm a long time main so I knew all this stuff but it warms my heart knowing I'll meet more confident players next
Couldn't find a comprehensive song duration table anywhere, thank so much.
Great content btw, I just found you and am loving the vids.
On the data table the elemental resist songs list the XL buff as 15 resist, I find it only gives 10, it's when it gets paired with elemental effectiveness up that it increases to 15. Also the Blight resist extension is blight resist L, not just extended, it goes from 5 all elemental resist to 10 all elemental resist (again 15 when paired with elemental effectiveness up).
I don't have a friend HH user or else I would test whether or not blight resist will stack with a specific elemental resist song. It would be interesting to see how they interact with eachother and with elemental effectiveness up together if they stack.
When I first saw this was posted I was hoping it was going to go into the intricacies of how each song works. As an example, how attack up buffs your base raw, is multiplicative with other percentage gains like self improvement and fortify, works on augments and awakenings that add to your base, but not on things like attack boost skill or power charms or demondrug. A video detailing everything about each song would be interesting to watch.
Thank you very much for these, I will update the table accordingly.
Unfortunately, I don't think I have the time nor the patience of doing as you've suggested regarding numbers and stats. I think probably this is something that the Mathalos guys can cover.
Does Elemental Effectiveness UP boost Elemental Attack as well, if I may ask?
@@Taxman_HH It does, offhand I believe that elemental attack boost and elemental effectiveness up added up to a %20 buff, but I could be misremembering and would have to go back and test it again.
Wow m8. That is some really interesting, well put together, information.
Thanks a lot because I just learned a lot. :D
Really high quality video altogether. Keep it up!
Really useful video especially for people who didn't play HH with other HH players.
4:50 wait you expect me to have the luck of getting another HH player on my team while I play it myself
You statistically have a 2.97% chance of playing with another HH player which is significantly more than getting an Attack+4 Jewel HAHAHAHAHA
@@Taxman_HH 🥵🔥 that burns
Whenever I see SOS from another HH user - I join no matter the quest or rewards, we need to look out for eachother :)
Oddly enough i started playing hh on pc and seen more hh users this week then all of iceborne. Maybe it's on the rise?
Monster Hunter World PH Elites i feel attacked...
. . .darn master, i did not know this one 3:50, i keep trying to do the encores ahaha salamat!
Thanks for the Data table I have been depending on muscle memory for re buffing most time now i can actually counting it.
Love this video! Ty so much for the info
I've done a lot of googling on HH mechanics, and this is one of the best resources I've come across. Such a great video, kudos.
I have a question tho, does the melody "All Melody Effects Extended" prolong the melody for the whole initial & extended part, or some other value entirely? Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback!
To simplify "All Melody Effects Extended" prolongs whatever buff you currently have on. Say for example you only have AuL initial effect then someone does All Melody Effects Extended, your AuL buff will get increased in its duration (but won't exceed Initial Max Duration) but it won't get upgraded to AuXL.
Hope that clarifies or answers your question.
You should check out our "Best Ways to use Recital & Encores" video if you haven't yet. Thank you!
th-cam.com/video/iGYsIaHr4Xc/w-d-xo.html
Your videos are amazing^^ Im really happy i found this channel that got my love for the HH going, and that teached me to dodge correctly. Keep up the great work^^
Great stuff! Love this video, I was actually quite curious about the damage output for spin vs echo vs dragon so this helps loads! A lot of neat stuff to keep in mind about the mechanics of this amazing weapon.
I appreciate the time you take to research and make these videos. It's amazing to have such a resource!
Can you refresh the duration of for example Attack Up by playing a song again while it's still active?
Awesome video. Thanks for making it
Great video! Very informative for us hunting horn users. Doots for life 📯🎼
Thank you so much, the analysis and song spreadsheet are amazing!
Great video
How much damage does Elemental Effectiveness Up grant? Also I assume Evade Window Up doesn't do anything if you have Evade WIndow maxed out?
Great!! A very informative video indeed. The last part was really important, the echo wave combo and impact/dragon wave combos. I think the setup for the Dragon/impact wave is bit too much to be completely reliable.
Thanks for the video once again. Started playing HH after watching your videos, now I have two builds that I use for most monsters except few flying ones which are annoying with melee weapons.
I love you, thanks for teaching
Great video, but I would be interested in going into more depth about the differences between the dragon and impact echo wave songs. I had no idea before watching this video that dragon actually did more damage (to be honest I rarely use it). But how do they compare for KO? Pretty sure impact gets a bonus there, but haven't seen it quantified. Also, how much is the dragon damage affected but a monster's dragon HZV and does it have any additional effects like elderseal?
Hello, the answer is a bit technical but I did include it in the description. Dragon Waves have more Raw motion values than they do Dragon Element bonus (fixed amount).
bit.ly/MHWIWeaponAttackTables
that. was. amazing.
^Very informative video master dooter. What about monster wake ups(while mob asleep)? Impact wave > Dragon wave? or just unga the mob on the head?
Very good question, I would suggest Impact since the stun values are much higher and because three impact waves are added linearly without diminishing returns
@@Taxman_HH So you are btting on potential stun wakeup rather then pure damage from dragon waves? hmmmm i should probably test it out myself on different monsters
@@PoW3R8 Dragonwaves have diminishing returns when 3x encored. The difference in damage is probably less than 30 dmg, as far as I know. Then you have to consider that some monsters have strong dragon resistances. I would rather just simplify and go for the good old trusty impact waves for wakeup
@@Taxman_HH So i did my first test;
Weapon: The Rasping Ballad
Monster: Rathian
Status: Broken head, tenderized head,
Sleeping
Dragon wave: 1283
Impact wave: 1190
And so far i think that you were right about using unga wave for wake up
I just realized though, with crit + crit boost AND tenderizing the face, the spin attack is gonna have the highest DPS no matter what right ? Because the waves aren't affected by Tenderized parts if i'm not mistaken
That's a good point and one big advantage for Spin Combos too. Thank you for pointing that out!
The waves are definitely effected by the hzv buff from tenderising tough.
Also with safi weapons you always have either an element or a status so the spin gets extra points in my book.
The waves are affected by softened part, however, I do notice one thing that he didn't point out in the video. Normally, a single dragon wave attack do around 245 damage per blast, yet when you gathered up triple dragon wave, your damage will look at somewhere around 550. However in the way of impact wave, you do around 170 damage per blast, yet around 660 when you gather up triple impact wave. What that means is that impact wave is a way better option to sleepbomb than dragon wave. I'm not sure if this just happen to me, but it could just because the monster I was fighting when I realized this was weak against dragon, but it's been happening so often that I can't overlook it.
@@KaiserFlame_ this is correct, I believe this is included in the Motion Values table I linked in the description. Dragon waves have a dkminishing rate while impact is additive linearly
@@KaiserFlame_ the mv on 3x impact wave is 1.50 which is huge!!
3X Dragon only has like 0.85 and like 200 element so yea unless its super weak to dragon impact wave is best for wakeup, it also has a 1.1 partbreak mod!
I’m new to HH.Always wanted to play it.How do you make the bubbles?
What if you extend the effect of all melodies extended, when that turns violet, does it add more time?
Thank you!!!
Hi, im glad you made a hunting horn video.You think you can upload some hunting horn team gameplay? like maybe a few fights, like how you keep the songs up. also the queuing of songs. and lastly would u suggest using echo waves in fights and when.
Hello, we may have what you already need actually:
Guide on when to do recitals:
th-cam.com/video/iGYsIaHr4Xc/w-d-xo.html
Team Gameplay with some random Tips & Advice (you can skip the set building and go straight to the gameplay):
Team vs Nergigante: th-cam.com/video/6WVdyqdyPho/w-d-xo.html
Team vs Silver Rathalos: th-cam.com/video/KNcoIzJk-k8/w-d-xo.html
Regarding queuing of songs, I am preparing a video some time soon, so I kindly ask for your patience. :)
For echo waves, to me personally, I would do these only when I have two or three Echo Songs stored and only when the monster is KO'd. Most often I would choose Spin Attacks simply because of how versatile they are.
@@Taxman_HH i happen to be watching the Nerg fight now, these videos are "quite hard" to find. Thanks for the uploads!
I'm trying to get into hunting horn and can't figure out how to make bubbles (can't find a guide that goes over it)
Certain songs when played leave bubbles behind
So frikin fun
what is your overlay for the hunting horn melody duration
Hey MHWPHE! Do you mind if I can get an updated link on the Monster Hunter World Speedrunning and Exploits discord server? The one in description is expired. Thank you very much!
Unfortunately, the server got nuked. You can join AmaDEUS 225's server instead:
discord.gg/qTre2SNh
@@Mister_Taxman Thank you Taxman! See you there :D
i don't see any bubble like shape when someone using HH sll i saw that glowing thingy at the ground. is it in the graphic settings?
I'm probably too dumb, but does this mean there's no point playing all melody extended song when I have HM+2 equipped? (this is assuming I'm playing solo or the only hornist in the group)
Very useful spreadsheet. Thanks for the research.
Seems like there's a small error on line 9 for attack (S) buff. Should be 10>15% instead of 15>20%
much appreciated, corrected now!
One sec, if you meant line 9, that should be for the Affinity Up (s) buff which is indeed 15 to 20%, may you kindly clarify? :)
greetings 🤗 i just wanna ask, is song evade windows up stacks with deco evade windows? because others said that it doesn't stack up and when i read the excel you provided it said it stacks.. im really confused, will be waiting for your reply 😊
Dataminers have said that these stack. I used to think they don't stack as well but if Dataminers say they stack, then they must stack.
@@Taxman_HH thank you so much for the reply, so meaning i just need evade window 3 to have a max level of evade window when use with song buff. take care thank you so much!
can I ask what hunting horn you use on this video?
Which mod do you use to have the buff durations/timer shown?
First of all: Most informative and interesting HH video I've ever seen. This really is one of the (if not the) best source for MH meta content!
Now my question: since the 'melody extended' song only extends the duration by 50 seconds (with HM2) you'd have to doot every 50 seconds to constantly keep your songs up throughout the whole hunt. This sounds annoying especially for big GL sessions for example. So is this song really that valuable? Since AuL is active for a whole 4 minutes (and other songs even hold longer) you could just doot all songs every 3-4 minutes instead of dooting the extender-song every 50 seconds.
Edit: additionally, the other song of the melody-extender horns are really not that interesting. You basically only habe AuL and Self improvement
That's a good question. The intended use for the Melody Extend song is to be used in the middle of a hunt. When your group is done killing the monster, you don't bother with Melody Extend and just let the songs expire.
Then you should re-cast with Attack Up XL once you re-engage with a new enemy again.
Sometimes, in the middle of the hunt, you can choose to cast AuXL instead of Melody Extend and that is also acceptable (sometimes even more efficient).
Hope that helps!
i cant seem to hit anything with this thing BUT it seems that the monsters turns hyper aggresive against me if i use a hunting horn
This frame rate is a treat for the eyes
do the all melodies extended,horn maestro and the purple songs stack
There's such a thing as more than one HH user in a party?
I just played with 1 today
Is dragon wave only dose dragon damage ? I really hope there is more elemental waves, for more flashy effects!
Dragon Waves have combination of Raw + Dragon Element motion values. It relies much heavily on RAW motion values (based on your attack power) than on its added dragon element (fixed amount)
bit.ly/MHWIWeaponAttackTables
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Does anyone know the Motion values and KO values for impact and dragon wave? I would love to know :)
Also great video! Answered allot of questions I've had for a while. GJ!
Thank you!
Yes my friend, the motion values are actually in the description. I'm sorry I wasn't able to mention this in the video but please feel free to check it out. It's the fourth linked url in the description, I believe.
Is Dragon Wave buffed with Dragon attack up? Is there a cap for it?
It's buffed by Dragon Attack +6 but it is unaffected by the dragon element on your weapon. It's very weird how it works that way.
Alouette 😍
How encores effect bubbles? Did i miss that info? Anyone?..
Encored bubbles only refreshes the duration and the buff is not improved.
If you encore multiple bubbles (Two or Three songs) the bubble left on the ground is bigger. This has more uses and lasts longer but ultimately, the buff any player receives is the same.
Great video, but... can we not be called the "Horner"?
how do you play all 4 songs in one go?
You can play up to 3 songs consecutively by just starting a recital and waiting before doing anything else, a subsequent encore will encore all songs played.
The accent gave it away, didnt even looked at the name😂
PHILIPPINES!!!
You should had added the pros and cons of dragon waves.
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This weapon is too complex to have gun with it, and be efficient. I give up.