My favorite "If you want to improve don't be afrid to miss" Alot of kids i coach can plat like "gods" during practice. Then as soon as it's game time. Even if it's just a practice game. They miss 1 and become passive and suddenly lose there game of play and let the other player do what they want basicly....
1. Working on recovery (getting back to the position ) 2. Stop rushing to win the game 3. Stop hitting the ball too flat (add some spin to it ) 4. Work on feet work between the backhand and the forehand 5. Stop being to upright (stop placing the racket away from your head always keep you head close to the racket ) 6. Pushing when the ball is too long 7. Game management think about your game tactics and how to win the second point 8. To avoid the miss-hits you need the calm down and take your time to center the ball in the middle of the racket (measure and hit) 9. Always maintain your position to the table (don’t be too far or to close ) 10.Try to know your points of weakness and of strength by using video analysis
As a Chinese rubber user since I started playing this also helps other. When your start to warmup or during drills. We're doing a lot of flat drives from close to the table to medium range to have a feel on the ball before doing topspin. That also helps us to have a good feel on the ball when doing topspin during a match. Not sure if this applicable to everyone. But just for my opinion :)
Yep, also doing it for a warm-up routine, drives from close table, and take steps away and keep doing drives to get 'how today's impact tastes like', except before having any chance to loosen up body by doing topspins both close and few steps away, everyone I play with always start the counting ASAP. They thought that's the way I do topspins, merely just because of taking few steps away from the table and doing drives 😑 And yes, for us hard tacky rubber users, that's only halfway from a proper warm-up 😑 The harder the rubber is, the longer the warm-up should be, perhaps 😂😂😂
Great video! Regarding the mistake about distance to the table, I think that depends a lot on your playing style. Some players like to play big powerful shots and then they need some more time and space by stepping back a little.
The mistake isn't stepping back. It's stepping back and not recovering your forward weighted position. It's letting your energy 'stay' back or fall back after you step back. It's ok to step back, but you have to keep your weight, energy and intention 'forward'. BTW, this is major point for tennis players as well. Especially at the recreational levels.
10 mistakes I see players make repeatedly 1- Many players hit the ball long off the table when advancing to rapidly. 2 - Players endlessly upgrading rubbers and blades but not allowing time to get use to them. 3 - Showboating and going for fancy looking shots with high risk. 4 - Turing up late so no time for stretching or warming up. 5 - Playing in conditions not ideal or on a court that's not regulation size. 6 - Thinking you can learn more by playing players at a much higher level then you. 7 - Playing against the same players every day with no variety. 8 - Getting a comfortable lead then taking the foot off the gas. 9 - Making the noises pro players make but not sounding anything like them. 10 - Emulating your favourite players style but not embracing your own.
I also think a mistake, at least for me, is not taking advantage of a chance to attack when I could actually safely attack with a quality shot and little risk. But I agree with your "top 10" as being the most common. Great video - thanks for posting it.
Been playing for 4 years now, amateur level at uni, now I'm getting coaching and realtime feedback, to correct these errors. At least, now i'd try to loop a long push and I'm more confident to do it, but probably I'm still making others 9 errors 😂
This video is pure gold, and would have saved me a world of trouble when I returned to the sports a year ago after a long hiatus. In particular, I'm now really trying to keep my bat high and returning to the neutral position after every stroke, like TTD suggests. I also tend to go for too much power on my first loop, leading to unforced errors. I think this is because I learned to play with 21-point games, and each points is much more valuable in an 11 point game. Also, noticed that Tom has moved to the cybershape from all-wood. Big change!
Hey AK! Great stuff glad you enjoyed the vid! Yeah keeping bat high and placement over speed is key nowadays. Interesting what you said about playing to 21 over 11. Makes total sense. Theres a lot more pressure moments now when playing up to 11 which requires precision and tactics 💪🔥
Great video, TTD! Very helpful. Dan, I watched your Eleven Table Tennis tournament match today, well played! Even though you didn’t win, you looked more comfortable and solid than I’d seen before. You’ll get ‘‘em next time! (I won my 2nd round match today- 3 more until the finals!) 🏓💪🏽❤️
Hey Jason thanks! My opponent was just too consistent, had a very similar style to Aiphaton. Haha yes next time! We will have to play sometime 🙌 Good luck in the rest of the comp, lets go 🔥🔥🔥
My biggest mistake is moving with the feet. I always find myself disbalanced or out of position. Many people have been telling me to move more and I always tell it to myself and I have the feeling that after a lot of practise I'm starting to erase that mistake but there is still so much to fix.
Thanks for thoses advices ! I think i can work on those ten mistakes ! I do have question. Sometimes, you do have to go far from the table. How do i know when to go back and defend ? And how can do it the right way ?
Three of these mistakes are _not_ mistakes but stylistic variations. 2. Some players are percentage players. Mitsuru Kono went for winners in his opening shot. He became World Champion. 7. Sometimes it's good to push against a long push, as a tactical variation. You just don't overdo it. 9. Many attackers' style is _predicated_ on an ability to step back from the table a pace or two. Ovtcharov, Xu, Gauzy, Calderano and many others can be more dangerous that way than in near-table play. It's not whether or not you step back from the table, it's a question of whether you _practice regularly_ in that mode, so that it means nothing to you if your opponent is good at angling the ball.
For some of these it'd be really helpful to see some practice drills - not much use to keep thinking about having to move around more nimbly if I don't know how.
Im gonna be focusing on my bat not swinging way too much and focusing on going for more secure shots and not way too hard at a hard shot Loop on long pushes too
Hope this is not table tennis bingo as I would have a full card. But that means I have something to work on. Thanks for making these obvious mistakes visible for a beginner like me!
Hi Tom & Dan, really great video thankyou 👍 I'm sure alot of us are guilty of these mistakes! One aspect I pick up on with our Junior beginner players is having to correct there grip, any chance of making a video on grip please.
I want to emphasize point 5 - staying too upright. My practice partner and I have drilled a lot doing upright and then staying low. Man, what a mind blowing difference. The angles are different, the kinesthetics of the strokes are different, timing, ability to move quickly, etc, so many things are easier if you stay low in an athletic stance.
Good tips 👍🏻 I think my mistake is that I do everything ambidextrous 🙈 so serve, forehand and backhand 😂 have a small short uploaded to it 😄 comes maybe from the fact that I'm actually tennis player
The problem with (2) is that it's an overgeneralization. Some players' style is simply predicated on percentage-play in a 3rd and/or 5th -ball outright win. What Dan and Tom are arguing for is starting into a strong (but not walloping) opening drive _to get a player into a controlled rally_ . But a controlled rally leads you by degrees into a rallying-player's home turf. There are, of course, drawbacks to a percentage-player's style. But that's the nature of... style. The rallying-player's drawback is playing against a Gauzy or Moregard's disruptor bag-of-tricks. He's never going to get a decent rhythm or rally if people like that can stop it. When I was a player, I was a percentage shooter. The service-return was punched or flicked if it was short, or loop-killed at the table-edge. If the ball was falling it was loop-killed, if it was rising it was loop-killed right off the bounce. Did this make me a good player? No, I was ranked 17th in my province, but not because of the style. Can a percentage-player become World Champion? Yes; Mitsuru Kono became World Champion. British star Denis Neale called Kono a "complete" percentage player. Some players work full-on opening attack style as _part_ of their style, notably Ma Long. The aforementioned Truls has it as part of his toolkit. We are sometimes flabbergasted (not to mention his opponents) when he swats a big loop-kill against a slightly long serve into the middle of next week. That ball is like... _gone._ Point up for TM.
@tabletennisdaily can you please tell us how you guys play under so much pressure in TTDSL and perform so well? Whenever we play in pressure we actually loose due to numbness or fear of losing
Each of these mistakes take a long time to fix or u can't unless u have a good partner who can spar with u consistently. Especially if u have been playing for few years with these mistakes from day1.
Dan, I know you did a Stiga Cybershape video with Truls but I noticed Tom is using a Cybetshape now. Could you do another video on the Cybershape with Tom? Please,please,please?
Can you go back to the Forpheus Robot that can play very well Table Tennis and see how much it improved or if you can still beat it that would be awesome to know
I disagree with No.9. Most of the time an intermediate player opens rally and stays too close to the table, so he have no space nor time to play open game with power shots.
anyone can introduce me a paddle for a not so beginner? i like spinning and chopping. just got back into the hobby and i wonder if there is a budget bat for my needs.
Some very good observations and pointers. Have to say falling back from the table was probably my biggest fault but has lead to the biggest improvement in my game now that I tend to stay on top of the table more.
the issue is that Stiga stopped producing his old blade. so he has to find a new one and is trying some of'em. the Cyber blade is actually a nice blade. but coming from an all wood blade, he has more power now so he has to adjust to it. looking at it it's not mind blowingly fast either so it should be easy for him to adjust.
Yeah that's right Ji, I've been using the Cybershape since January and really love it. More power but now I've adjusted it also has great feeling and control too 🏓💪
Did we miss any mistakes table tennis players repeatedly make? 👇🏓
thinking they can improve quickly 😂😢😢
Underestimating the Chairman.
Moving to hexagon blade why Tom why?
My favorite "If you want to improve don't be afrid to miss" Alot of kids i coach can plat like "gods" during practice. Then as soon as it's game time. Even if it's just a practice game. They miss 1 and become passive and suddenly lose there game of play and let the other player do what they want basicly....
Personally I struggle keeping the ball low in short touches and long pushes
1. Working on recovery (getting back to the position )
2. Stop rushing to win the game
3. Stop hitting the ball too flat (add some spin to it )
4. Work on feet work between the backhand and the forehand
5. Stop being to upright (stop placing the racket away from your head always keep you head close to the racket )
6. Pushing when the ball is too long
7. Game management think about your game tactics and how to win the second point
8. To avoid the miss-hits you need the calm down and take your time to center the ball in the middle of the racket (measure and hit)
9. Always maintain your position to the table (don’t be too far or to close )
10.Try to know your points of weakness and of strength by using video analysis
As a Chinese rubber user since I started playing this also helps other. When your start to warmup or during drills. We're doing a lot of flat drives from close to the table to medium range to have a feel on the ball before doing topspin. That also helps us to have a good feel on the ball when doing topspin during a match. Not sure if this applicable to everyone. But just for my opinion :)
LOL that's what everybody does for warm ups. if some don't then they aren't doing it right. what you suggest is just the normal procedure.
Yep, also doing it for a warm-up routine, drives from close table, and take steps away and keep doing drives to get 'how today's impact tastes like', except before having any chance to loosen up body by doing topspins both close and few steps away, everyone I play with always start the counting ASAP. They thought that's the way I do topspins, merely just because of taking few steps away from the table and doing drives 😑
And yes, for us hard tacky rubber users, that's only halfway from a proper warm-up 😑
The harder the rubber is, the longer the warm-up should be, perhaps 😂😂😂
Great video! Regarding the mistake about distance to the table, I think that depends a lot on your playing style. Some players like to play big powerful shots and then they need some more time and space by stepping back a little.
i was thinking the same. I saw a lot of top players after a long push or a first loop, then back off half to a foot right away
The mistake isn't stepping back. It's stepping back and not recovering your forward weighted position. It's letting your energy 'stay' back or fall back after you step back. It's ok to step back, but you have to keep your weight, energy and intention 'forward'. BTW, this is major point for tennis players as well. Especially at the recreational levels.
Guilty of all the 10 mistakes...lol...Thanks guys.
Haha love it! We all fall into one of these mistakes from time to time 😅
Keep grafting 🔥
Very nice discussions on common mistakes players do with demonstrations. GREAT...
So nice..trying to stop mistakes but ...mistaking same repeatedly. Fantastic coaching
10 mistakes I see players make repeatedly
1- Many players hit the ball long off the table when advancing to rapidly.
2 - Players endlessly upgrading rubbers and blades but not allowing time to get use to them.
3 - Showboating and going for fancy looking shots with high risk.
4 - Turing up late so no time for stretching or warming up.
5 - Playing in conditions not ideal or on a court that's not regulation size.
6 - Thinking you can learn more by playing players at a much higher level then you.
7 - Playing against the same players every day with no variety.
8 - Getting a comfortable lead then taking the foot off the gas.
9 - Making the noises pro players make but not sounding anything like them.
10 - Emulating your favourite players style but not embracing your own.
i can only play with 1 person on my not correct sized table and it's usually windy :D not much I can change about that..
good info tho
tried everything u mentioned in this video...it really helped me..thank u TOM & DAN❤️
I also think a mistake, at least for me, is not taking advantage of a chance to attack when I could actually safely attack with a quality shot and little risk. But I agree with your "top 10" as being the most common. Great video - thanks for posting it.
Yeah that's a great one as well, thanks David, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you very much
Great video guys. I wrote it down on a pice of paper to bring with me when training, since i discovered that i am guilty of all mistakes.
I always watch this video before my matches.. really helps a lot .. thanks a ton for making such an incredible video. God bless you always!!!
brilliant advice ! Can't wait to put them into practice
Nice tips, thank!!!
Been playing almost a year. That's 10 out of 10 mistakes for me!!!!!
I've been playing (if you can call it that lol ) for 4 years and guilty of all of them
Been playing for 4 years now, amateur level at uni, now I'm getting coaching and realtime feedback, to correct these errors.
At least, now i'd try to loop a long push and I'm more confident to do it, but probably I'm still making others 9 errors 😂
Great video! Thanks!
This video is pure gold, and would have saved me a world of trouble when I returned to the sports a year ago after a long hiatus. In particular, I'm now really trying to keep my bat high and returning to the neutral position after every stroke, like TTD suggests. I also tend to go for too much power on my first loop, leading to unforced errors. I think this is because I learned to play with 21-point games, and each points is much more valuable in an 11 point game.
Also, noticed that Tom has moved to the cybershape from all-wood. Big change!
Hey AK! Great stuff glad you enjoyed the vid! Yeah keeping bat high and placement over speed is key nowadays. Interesting what you said about playing to 21 over 11. Makes total sense. Theres a lot more pressure moments now when playing up to 11 which requires precision and tactics 💪🔥
Great video, TTD! Very helpful.
Dan, I watched your Eleven Table Tennis tournament match today, well played! Even though you didn’t win, you looked more comfortable and solid than I’d seen before. You’ll get ‘‘em next time! (I won my 2nd round match today- 3 more until the finals!) 🏓💪🏽❤️
Hey Jason thanks! My opponent was just too consistent, had a very similar style to Aiphaton. Haha yes next time! We will have to play sometime 🙌 Good luck in the rest of the comp, lets go 🔥🔥🔥
Great Tips
i tried some after first watch and i felt the difference right away.
great tips as usual
I wish you would discuss serving. The various types and also rules that everyone breaks.
Good idea for a video Barry! 👌
Great video.I use razka po.on my forehand can you recommend what size sponge is best
Dave
Best educational tt video I've seen 👍
Nice vid Dan and surprisingly Tom is playing with the cybershape aswell
Good game with arcdiac in ett and I heard Tom in the background lol
Feet adjustement is the hardest one imo. This video is great bcs most has at least one of these mistakes tbh. I defintely have 4+5.
Thanks Simon!
My biggest mistake is moving with the feet. I always find myself disbalanced or out of position. Many people have been telling me to move more and I always tell it to myself and I have the feeling that after a lot of practise I'm starting to erase that mistake but there is still so much to fix.
Thanks for thoses advices ! I think i can work on those ten mistakes ! I do have question. Sometimes, you do have to go far from the table. How do i know when to go back and defend ? And how can do it the right way ?
Three of these mistakes are _not_ mistakes but stylistic variations.
2. Some players are percentage players. Mitsuru Kono went for winners in his opening shot. He became World Champion.
7. Sometimes it's good to push against a long push, as a tactical variation. You just don't overdo it.
9. Many attackers' style is _predicated_ on an ability to step back from the table a pace or two. Ovtcharov, Xu, Gauzy, Calderano and many others can be more dangerous that way than in near-table play. It's not whether or not you step back from the table, it's a question of whether you _practice regularly_ in that mode, so that it means nothing to you if your opponent is good at angling the ball.
Awesome vid ! Making the first two all the time
Thanks Liam! 🙌
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For some of these it'd be really helpful to see some practice drills - not much use to keep thinking about having to move around more nimbly if I don't know how.
Hey JJ good idea. We will include more in the future. Drills specifically that help the areas discussed 💪
Great video guys! I fell into mistake #9 last night. My question to you is when is it appropriate to start backing up during a rally?
Im gonna be focusing on my bat not swinging way too much and focusing on going for more secure shots and not way too hard at a hard shot
Loop on long pushes too
Hope this is not table tennis bingo as I would have a full card. But that means I have something to work on.
Thanks for making these obvious mistakes visible for a beginner like me!
You're welcome, we're glad to have helped!
Thanks both, excellent tips!, no doubt that making a hasty decision can make you fail...
Great video with some real things to think about - I'll be applying this advice to our juniors and seniors at Keynsham TTC
Good advise like it
Hi Tom & Dan, really great video thankyou 👍
I'm sure alot of us are guilty of these mistakes!
One aspect I pick up on with our Junior beginner players is having to correct there grip, any chance of making a video on grip please.
I want to emphasize point 5 - staying too upright. My practice partner and I have drilled a lot doing upright and then staying low. Man, what a mind blowing difference. The angles are different, the kinesthetics of the strokes are different, timing, ability to move quickly, etc, so many things are easier if you stay low in an athletic stance.
No.6 - me every week. Noted. Will be thinking about this from now on.
Very informative 🔥
I hit the ball way too often with my thumb or index finger. Any tips for fixing that?
you position too far out.
Good tips 👍🏻 I think my mistake is that I do everything ambidextrous 🙈 so serve, forehand and backhand 😂 have a small short uploaded to it 😄 comes maybe from the fact that I'm actually tennis player
The second advice helped me so much i always wanted to finish the point with a killer spin and the ball always went long
The problem with (2) is that it's an overgeneralization. Some players' style is simply predicated on percentage-play in a 3rd and/or 5th -ball outright win. What Dan and Tom are arguing for is starting into a strong (but not walloping) opening drive _to get a player into a controlled rally_ . But a controlled rally leads you by degrees into a rallying-player's home turf.
There are, of course, drawbacks to a percentage-player's style. But that's the nature of... style. The rallying-player's drawback is playing against a Gauzy or Moregard's disruptor bag-of-tricks. He's never going to get a decent rhythm or rally if people like that can stop it.
When I was a player, I was a percentage shooter. The service-return was punched or flicked if it was short, or loop-killed at the table-edge. If the ball was falling it was loop-killed, if it was rising it was loop-killed right off the bounce. Did this make me a good player? No, I was ranked 17th in my province, but not because of the style.
Can a percentage-player become World Champion? Yes; Mitsuru Kono became World Champion. British star Denis Neale called Kono a "complete" percentage player. Some players work full-on opening attack style as _part_ of their style, notably Ma Long. The aforementioned Truls has it as part of his toolkit. We are sometimes flabbergasted (not to mention his opponents) when he swats a big loop-kill against a slightly long serve into the middle of next week. That ball is like... _gone._ Point up for TM.
@tabletennisdaily can you please tell us how you guys play under so much pressure in TTDSL and perform so well?
Whenever we play in pressure we actually loose due to numbness or fear of losing
Best teachers in the world
Great Content, thx
Can you make a review on the new stiga DNA dragon grip?
Can you guys review the new xiom tmxi?
Any advise for those who make all these mistakes?
Each of these mistakes take a long time to fix or u can't unless u have a good partner who can spar with u consistently. Especially if u have been playing for few years with these mistakes from day1.
Dan, I know you did a Stiga Cybershape video with Truls but I noticed Tom is using a Cybetshape now. Could you do another video on the Cybershape with Tom? Please,please,please?
Can you go back to the Forpheus Robot that can play very well Table Tennis and see how much it improved or if you can still beat it that would be awesome to know
Love these
Those advices are good for players with an attack style of play. As a defender, I quite disagree with half of those 10 "mistakes".
Please show more drills which we can perform alone
guys, can u review DHS Gold Arc 8?
Can you do a review of the new Xiom An jaehyun TMXi blade please?
Can you Do a review of falck carbon
Please tibhar mxd testing pleaseeee
I disagree with No.9. Most of the time an intermediate player opens rally and stays too close to the table, so he have no space nor time to play open game with power shots.
Mt greatest weaknesses are returning side spin serves or hits. Fml hard
I want more of that intro :D
you can watch the full matches on the ttdsl channel
I would add that one of the biggest causes of bad contact and mis-hits is not watching the ball all the way until contact.
anyone can introduce me a paddle for a not so beginner? i like spinning and chopping. just got back into the hobby and i wonder if there is a budget bat for my needs.
Some very good observations and pointers. Have to say falling back from the table was probably my biggest fault but has lead to the biggest improvement in my game now that I tend to stay on top of the table more.
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when did tom switch to cybershape？
the Frog unleashing his inner CyberPunk with that Cyber blade and that Cyber haircut XD
Haha thanks, I think 😅
@@tommaynard8101 XD
You gotta learn the footwork pattern these are
Pattern 1 “Two Steps footwork”
Pattern 2 “Quick jump”
Pattern 3 “Side by Side”
Pattern 4 “Cross Over”
Mr Consistency back at it again
Thanks!
Since when does Tom have the Stiga Frying Pan? :o
He has been practicing with the Stiga Cybershape
@@dudedecent8805 😲
the issue is that Stiga stopped producing his old blade. so he has to find a new one and is trying some of'em. the Cyber blade is actually a nice blade. but coming from an all wood blade, he has more power now so he has to adjust to it. looking at it it's not mind blowingly fast either so it should be easy for him to adjust.
Yeah that's right Ji, I've been using the Cybershape since January and really love it. More power but now I've adjusted it also has great feeling and control too 🏓💪
@@tommaynard8101 good on you Tom. keep going buddy. best regards. -_o
a lot of players say they love the nittaku acoustic, but you guys havent done a review on it, hows so?
I hope they do one soon!
No sponsers🤣
@@roydondsa capitalist pigs :D
Use lil bit music with vedio
Yooooo Tom got that CYBERSHAPE!
This is a petition for TTD vs Pongfinity
I hope my league opponents don't watch your videos, or I'm in trouble!
🤣
Going for a Slam and missing the ball totally
Nothing worse than a 🐴
@@TableTennisDaily More junior TTD vids please! Love the stuff
Ok
So tell me, what is your gameplan and your what are your weaknesses? (Tom and Dan)
Please tell me, why did German (Mr. Donkey) leave your team?
8:50 😂
mistake no. six is not true, it's for offense players not for defense
Pleaseeeee Review tibhar mx D pleassseeeeewweeee
Choosing the wrong bat for your level
The Club is like 14miles away from my home and I only have a Bicycle so sadly I cannot go regularly 🥺
Rushing to win? Yup, that's me, haha.
Everything sweet ! Dan, have a word with your hairdresser >:D
Lol it’s my birthday today I’m 13
Happy birthday 🙌🙌🙌
Thx
Yooooooo👌
The first point is not true depending on what u play. C pen and J pen's bread and butter is serve attacks 😂
În concluzie,când nu joci tenis de masă,ai trecut la ping-pong.
Jo may
Wish you would stop using word set in scoring. This is not tennis. Only game snd match.
Tom the frog using cybershape now?
Yeah, been using it since January and love it!
Second
Another mistake is not cutting ones hair. It’s constantly gets in ones face if it’s too long. Il
Oh legit! Need to either cut ya hair or sling on the Timo headband 🔥
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nemohli byste to dávat ještě rychleji
dan needs to use them lol
100% working hard don't worry 🔥
Bad or non existent footwork