The New Su-75 Checkmate The F-22 Raptor Dispatcher ? Or A Big Disappointment ?
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Lots of talk going on these days about the SU-75, What do you guys think? Is the Checkmate the Best thing to come out of Russia ever? or will it be a giant disappointment?
As far as the best thing to come out of Russia ever I say no.
The Mig-21 will always be the “best” thing to ever come out of Russia. It’s a good aircraft that is still in use today and they made TONS of them and exported a ton as well.
Nothing will ever be greater than it as far as monetary gain and it’s legendary status goes.
Now as far as it’s capabilities there’s no way to tell yet.
Do I still think it will be a solid aircraft though? Most likely, we’ll just have to see.
That thing will be good jet. Also i would like to see you fighting a whole squadron with f 22.
I'm more excited about the MiG 41 concept that is rumored to test in 2025 myself. But will be watching (and listening) to the Su-75 demonstration very closely.
It’s a export plane meant to boost sales to countries that can’t afford heavy fighters and is not intended for the Russian Aerospace Forces. The Su-30, Su-35S, and Su-57 will be the mainstay of the Russian Air Force for the next 20-30 years and a smaller number of the new Mig-35 will exist mostly for attack missions and to complement the Su-34 and Su-25. This is Mainly because Russia does not have the need for small fighters, only heavy long range fighters with maximum performance and load out. Russia uses fighters first as a complement to their extensive Air defense network to further complicate a potential adversaries plans regarding SEAD missions, second to control airspace over specific areas of operations, and finally third for escort of ground attack and reconnaissance aircraft. Russian doctrine is set in mostly defensive long range war so their need for the Su-75 is rather limited.
My impression is, that the top air two air platform from sukhoi still is the Su-57 and the Su-75 is the more cost efficient and versatile aircraft, that is intended to be good for the export market. A little bit like the F-16 and F-15 back in the day.
"Cost varies based on configuration" I can just hear the car salesman now, "Oh you want wheels! That's extra."
Russians used to call their export equipment. " Monkey Models"...
$30 mil for the export drone version with a 1 year limited warranty. Option of a $90 mil / year support plan.
I need one with the engines please.
@@discordia013 its US methods, which cant be implemented in case of Checkmate, because its target markets are some countries with low budgets wishing to upgrade their old jets like MIG-21 to some newer models for resonable price.
It's all about the lather seats and Bose sound system.
“Too much icing and not enough cake?”
Bold statement when cake only exists as an icing delivery method.
Maybe its lower price point is because it's all icing, except it's sold as icing powder which you have to mix yourself lol
That depends on the icing. I have had many a cake that is much more tasty than the outer covering.
Funny!
Hehe... carbs for the long ride... sugar quick burst and done!
Yea, I like/eat uniced cake... ya seen what's in most icing?
O7
Icing>>>>cake
This is axiomatically true.
Blasphemy
The fact that Russia can't get more than a handful of SU-57s in service in the 12 odd years they've been producing them completely undermines any credibility of them announcing new aircraft like this.
russia doesn't have any su 57 in service.
@@pasqualelandolfo3732 exactly his point
@@Zx17OPv57i they think everyone has the same doctrine as the US
@@little_error295 >Tries to justify poor manufacturing capabilities
@@Zx17OPv57i There’s no strategy, they’re broke.
Cant wait to see the “two morons”series try to take on this in DCS
Am a dust that jet with my F-4E
Gotta be in the Tomcat for extra fail
😂
Sure bud. the F4 struggled agaisnt Mig21s in vietnam.@@terloriaslolx3869
Honestly, given how little we know about this thing, it may be too early to judge, but... It's not exactly an air superiority fighter. That'd be the niche of the Su-57. This seems to be aiming more for a cheaper, more expendable, lighter airframe.
@@KevinJDildonik Very unlikely Pakistan is going to use something like this - given they've thrown their lot in with the Chinese. Now with the Americans no longer providing 'aid' for them to use to bolster their forces instead of fighting terrorism - they probably won't be buying the Checkmate any time soon.
India on the other hand? Perhaps - but their Rafale acquisition and Tejas induction won't make any sense. Indonesia, Phillipines, Malaysia, Singapore? Now there's a market there.
I would have to agree. It most likely will be like most of all of the Russian made fighters in the past 40 years. Good airframe, powerful engines and electronics decades behind the western countries counterparts. Russia looking to make inroads to the F-16 export market maybe? At the price point they are claiming it does not sound like much. Unless it has some major new radar development that allows it to see stealth aircraft at a distance it will not be any type or adversary for the F-22, You can't shoot what you can't see.
This looks like a MiG-21 of modern stealth era.
It seems to have "stealth F-16" vibes.
@@wurfyy I wish, but as it stands with the stats they shared, with 8G limits and top speed of just mach 1.8... The modernised F-16 would eat it in WVR, so would the Su-35 and the Hornet. We don't know jack yet to call BVR performance though.
Can’t wait for 5 of these to be in service in 10 years
1 take it or leave it
10 years? That would mean they were ahead of schedule, this is the russian aero-space industry so 1 in 2110?
I'm still waiting for the Armata I was promised on Kickstarter.
they might have 5 of the su-57 in ten years tough
@@jimmygadd they already have more
than 5, i estimate 15
I would imagine that instead of it being at either extreme it will just be a very OK 5th generation fighter. Definitely not a F-22 or F-35 hunter, seems like that was what the SU-57 was supposed to do.
I think it's more of an f-35 equivalent. Especially because if the shape
i wouldnt even consider it true 5th gen.
@@julian5857 lol no.
@@robdee81 lol yes
@@robdee81 this is a 5th gen no doubt about it, but I really don't think it's an F-35 equivalent, just because the F-5 and MiG-29 are both 4th gen doesn't mean they have the same capabilities, so yeah this thing is basically a 5th gen F-5, a cheap low capability 5th gen intended for export, but in the end it's still a 5th gen nonetheless.
i like how GS says explicitly that its too early to say anything about the new airplane and yet here are all the "Experts" on the comment section determining the Su-75 performance and intended role lol
Yeah, some secret source that I didn't hear about mayhap?
They make me laugh.
never seen so many aerospace/aircraft engineers in one spot in my life
its called speculation not determination
I doubt Putin would let some POS fly outa Russia... BUT probably have some hardware trojan that IF that county gets into it with Russia then magicly all there planes become Russian Allies...🤣
This could very well be the "new" MiG-21 ... it's been a long time since the Russian aircraft industry produced a single-engine fighter.
Much like the slick design of the f-35. A single engine fighter.
Mig-23 was a single.
Yes, I basically see me in this young lad, hopefully he gets built tho and doesn't get trashed like all the "fifth gen" MiGs lol.
I'm still heartbroken it isn't a MiG, cheap yet capable jets that sold well in export was originally our thing!
@@FastHouseGaming Sleek, is not MASSIVE.
After years and years of development. EVERY platform ever developed has undergone MAJOR issues and setbacks during development. The SU75 will be no different. If it comes to production soon then thst would mean a MASSIVE leap forward in aircraft development
The Su-75 would kinda be like buying a $5 mouse pad and paying $150 on shipping. Lol
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The checkmate is the new Mig 21. It will offer second rate air forces with a cheap and competitive alternative to the F35.
It's clearly made for export.
Well lets wait and see if the SU75 will be the new mig 21. Its still has to make it into service and be bought in huge numbers.
@@juliomaldonado4028 of course, but that's the idea behind the design.
@@EvisceradorSC2 an idea which goes back to my original comment. I do hope that the su75 is able to fullfill its goals. It would ne nice to see a new fighter jet make it into service. I dont know if its going to be a cheap fighter.
I think its safe to say that if the su75 does make it into service, its going to be a costly fighter. But who knows.
Ah, yes, the new MiG-21, with capability claims that are completely mismatching the price tag, a fifth generation fighter that Russia can produce in very large numbers (after showing how it can produce Su-57s at a rate that can best be described as "glacial" if you're being generous and "nonexistent" if you're not).
@@Raptor747 there is a chance that they kept producing Su-57 secretively waiting for the right moment same thing for F-22s maybe the public numbers are just misguiding never the less, dont underestimate them the modern wars are deception
"Maybe the Sukhoi Su-75 is capable of taking on the F-22 and the F-35..."
*Thomas had never heard such bullshit before.*
I think it's just me reborn as a newer fifth gen form. Sure I wasn't the top of the line plane of my time, but I was cheap, reliable and got the job done. That's what customers of this are looking for anyway. Often times I punched above my weight in the hands of some amazing pilots.
I see a lot of myself in this young lad, hopefully he actually gets built tho, unlike the 1.44. I'm still disappointed because it's not a MiG jet and this'll fill the space my son, the MiG 29 used to fulfill.
Loved that
You were the best selling in the world. And you are still in the ranks;)
How are you talking?
What is your gender, if you don't mind me asking? He/she/they/it?
@@driffbro3380 prob fish/bed
They just had double the number of actual operational Su-57's in that rendering at around 4:10!
I believe the Su-75 is going to fill a role similar to the F-35. The Su-57 appears to be much more geared for fighting and will likely receive upgrades, to compete the F-22, while the F-35 which fills the strike fighter role, will compete with the Su-75.
You can’t not love Russian Aircraft… They’re beautiful.
Large numbers of Russian aerospace scientists and engineers went to work for .... (guess which nation).
@@SunriseLAW no one cares, America flexes 24/7, were here to appreciate some Russian engineering regardless of where it ended up coming from. Clue in that people don't care about MURICA constantly flexing my good sir.
@@gunsnrosesforever100 America doesn't need to flex, since it's the king of the hill.
China is more relevant than Russia, that's my two cents.
@@gunsnrosesforever100 Where are you from?
@@debbiestimac5175 no where with any form of military prowess whatsoever lmao tbh I understand that it's smart from a casualty standpoint ( less casualties more victories ) but like.... idk who doesn't like a good ole brawl? 2 planes circling each other using mad dogfighting skills to shoot each other down? Hasn't been seen since WW2. Idk I just think it would be cool that's all
Come on.. It's obviously a multirole fighter. Look at the shape!
This is not an air superiority fighter, it's an F35 competitor. Also, as the F35, it's meant to be exported.
So.... Its a Russian Fat Amy?
@@slaughterzealibib mhm
I highly doubt it. F35 is a small awacs, in term of electronics, radar capabilities and interconnection. With the latest software updates, it's even more maneuverable than F16 and F18.
@@vask3863 I like how you actually believe maneuverability can be significantly changed by software.
It's so cute! ❤️
@@Retheraq Then you don't know how integrated systems work.
Since the Block3 configuration, all F35 got upgraded software that allowed the aircraft to go up to 9G and perform better AoA maneuvers. It is now more maneuverable than the F16 and F18.
I've been puzzled why Russia has gone to the expense and effort to develop a new stealth fighter when they haven't even ironed out the problems of their Su-57 and gotten it operational on a mass scale into their air force.
su 57 has basically done its job a tech demonstrator. They have lost interest in it.
@@kleist5083 I think that's a very good point you make that is applicable to many of their weapons systems. I have always thought the same of things like their T-14 Armata MBT and many of their point air defense systems.
_I've been puzzled why Russia has gone to the expense and effort to develop a new stealth fighter_
Maybe because they can and there is a demand on the market. They received a lot of experience with Su-57, so Su-75 should go a lot easier and smoother and most technologies are already there.
_when they haven't even ironed out the problems of their Su-57 and gotten it operational on a mass scale into their air force._
Su-57 production already started. 4 should be delivered in December. There doesn't seem to be many problems as we hear with F-35 for example several years and hundreds planes into production. They were smart not to force production before finishing with tests.
@@_Epsilon_ There is a demand on the market for a plane that duplicates the capabilities of the Su-57? If things are going so swimmingly well for the Su-57 the why is there a successor being made now. Because they can? You mean that Russia is loaded up with so much cash that it can afford to blow billions on a new one for kicks?
The F-35's teething problems are old news, as the plane has and is currently undergoing modernization updates. The same is happening with the F-22, per the contract requirements with the manufacturers.
25-30million sounds too cheap , the Mig 35 costs about 40 millions .
This plane screams: cheap "not 5th gen" export model, hoping the sales will bolster the production of the actual Su-57. This is likely going to be the MiG-21 of the new generation. This plane will be aimed at defeating itself and other old 3rd/4th generation aircraft from smaller nations. I don't believe Russia is even planning to produce these for themselves (though filling out older squadrons might be useful).
I think their gonna make it like the F-35. Sell it to many countries and maybe use it for stuff like CAS and SEAD, not A2A combat. It will probably be made to fight together with the SU-57 like the F-22 and F-35.
exactly, this is purely an endeavor by Sukhoi as a company, the Russian military itself aren't really interested in this "light 5th gen", as we can see if they needed a strike mission they just fall back to their 4th gen strike aircraft but if they really need a stealth strike mission the Russian seems to be pushing towards unmanned S-70 drone, they really pushing that into production as soon as possible. Maybe they will buy a few of these to bolster export sales or if it does really well in the international market they might consider procuring them for themself.
As long as it has a sufficiently reduced RCS, its a fifth gen. Cheap, yes, but 5th Gen.
I think this is more like a tech demonstrator and the production prototypes should look better in the near future.
@@OddElephantLTU The countries that would buy this can just perform CAS with light attack aircraft, and they're not planning to project air power outside their sphere of influence so there won't be much suppression to do.
The cockpit visibility looks like a pilot's worst nightmare
Poor rearward visibility seems to be common on Russian designs.
If they call the SU-57 the Felon, I hope the Femboy nickname land for this one. It’s just too perfect
Except that would never happen in your woke airforce lol
yeah like the air force these days would ever use NATO designations like they did for the Mig 15
Fable is the next best if the pussy out of calling it the femboy lmao.
Because the thing is never gonna get built
That's exactly what the Airforce wants from the proposed Kingsnake. This appears to have more stealth than the proposed design of the Kingsnake as well.
Thanks for showing. Good content.
Isnt the kingsnake just an f16xl
@@badgermcbadger1968 looks like it to me.
@@badgermcbadger1968
According to available data, Kingsnake looks quite a lot like a F-16 XL. Which, would be a selling point because the XL was extremely good.
The Kingsnake is the equivalent of a 14 year old's scribble inside the front cover of his maths book - it's something someone drew up and went "hey, how cool is this?" and somehow got some traction on the internet. It's not being proposed by anyone with any sort of seriousness.
@@williamphillips24 It was more than that. The Kingsnake was a revival of the F-16 XL whether fantasy or fact. There has been a fair amount of talk about it.
I just mentioned that this new proposal of the SU-75 looked like the Kingsnake renderings.
Re, the engine. It uses the same engine as the su-57, and is expected to use the same future engine as the su-57, with thrust vectoring, when that one is available.
So in short, for now, it uses the same engine as the su-57, and has no thrust vectoring. So we can expect a modest demonstrator.
Millenium7* made a good video, analyzing it.
Personally,
I think this is a kickstarter. If they actually end up getting buyers, then yes it will become what they promise. (probably) But the Russian gov isn't investing in it. So if there are no buyers, a demonstrator will be as far as it goes.
The interesting part of the SU-75, is how they took a lot of inspiration from the Gripen in how it is made. It certainly looks like they are trying out the Saab design philosophy on it. (but that could also be marketing bs,, we'll see.)
All Su 57 engines have thrust vectoring. Like su 30 and su 35.
Yeah, totally. I think they're testing the waters to see who takes the bait. If some country goes all in they're in for a mild bait and switch. It'll end up being more expensive and have a few important limitations the Russians forgot to mention.
@@lamalien2276 pretty much the same US did with f-35 that was supposed to be an "f-16 of 5th gen'
SU-57 already have thrust vectoring like SU-30 and SU-35
It already got funding from private sector in Russia and they started production of 3 different prototypes. It was announced on Dubai airshow. Russian airforces also stated that they could choose Checkmate to replace their mig 29 fleet and not mig 35.
Unfortunately for this bird by the time it hits service in effective numbers it’ll be flying against 6th generation fighters
Indefinite Limbo like with the SU-57 and T-14 Armata
all hail the FXX and the tempest
It’s pretty obvious they just took existing Su-57 wings, exit nozzles, and cockpit and slapped it on a new fuselage based on the X-32. I honestly wonder if this is even a properly sized aircraft or just some really high tier concept art, because my bullshit-o-meter is off the charts right now.
the X-32 is the goofiest jet I've ever seen.
Let me guess, everything is a RIP off of the f 22...
If I make a non-flying wooden model of an airplane and shine a bunch of holographic lights on it and show some computer generated images does that mean I have also built a 6th generation fighter?
It's a good strategy: this will attract several billionaire investors to buy your company's shares and thus proceed with the project.
It's not wooden, but aluminium.
@@renatoigmed In Russia, billionaire investing in their luxury yachts and not into such bullshit :D
Welcome to Putin's Russia, all that 'high technology' Russian military stuff exist only on paper and CGI animations to present on Russian TV.
@@tornadoman1054 cope
I am no areonautic engineer, but the air intakes look awefully small for such a powerful engine that the SU-75 has.
This isn't even a prototype, some planes like the JF-17 have smaller intakes still.
Can’t wait to see the SU-75 vs F-22 in DCS
You'll have to wait a few decades then, until they declassify everything. Same as any other 5th gen. Anything else (mods, anything...), is pure speculation.
Or su-75 vs f-35
Like all significant weapons programs, we won't really know too much until after entering service, F35 as a case in point. It was ridiculed relentlessly yet, has gone on to demonstrate itself as arguably the most lethal "fighter" produced to date.
The new Sukhoi could be anything between an expensive dud to a game changer. In time we will know.
I think one of the main reasons of this plane to exist is to supply Northern Africa and Middle Eastern states with this plane to make NATO states to think extra 3 times before invading their countries. So called soft force which can generate some profits.
😂
Fair enough
Finally!! I've been waiting for this for quite some time now. I've wondered when he was going to talk about the checkmate
Looks fast. Id say its simply to compete with the f-35. Interesting how the front half looks like boeings jsf offering
X32
I’m opting for the 2 wheel drive, manual shift version, cloth seats etc. Should be cheaper
It's so good when your native language is Russian and you know English just as well. You can consider two points of view about the same thing. Firstly I will watch this one and then will search for Russian one .
Я смотрел информацию о СУ75, может быть 1 месяц назад. я думаю, что Сухой продаёт су75 чтобы сделать больше su57 и двигателей, которые должны были идти в su57.
Я согласен, знание русского и английского языков очень полезно. многие американские СМИ полны пропаганды, чтобы выставить Россию в плохом свете.
@@Robert53area Yeah. I agree. Both side the of political spectrum do it.
@@Robert53area The everyday person just wants to get on with their lives. Politicians cause so many headaches.
если он будет более гибким, чем ф35, это также может быть целью этого проекта - продавать его странам до того, как США смогут экспортировать ф35.
@@TheTaylorhorton you understand what I wrote? Молодец! Я согласен политики эти проблемы в всех странах
if we're talking about hunting down F-22 and F-35, that would be the job of Su-57 not Checkmate, the sensor suits on that thing man, that thing is literally a mini AWACS, whether it will succeed in that mission we don't know, but it certainly built to counter stealth aircraft.
Do you know what the power output/requirements are for an airborne early warning and detection system? Felon is no AWAC, it's more of a mobile cell tower for their datalink network. Like police with their mobile cell tower/stingrays in vans tricking your cell phone to ping and accept data transfer/provider protocol commands. Felon will coordinate as a mobile command and control for airborne assets and ground controllers, to limit radiation emissions that can be seen and prosecuted.
@@debbiestimac5175 yeah, of course it's not like a true AWACS, hence I called it "mini AWACS", but still the sensor suits on it is impressive lending it a fantastic situational awareness, I mean 5 (or even more) radars in a fighter, 1500 module main radar with two 400 module radars on each side not to mention those L-band radars, but the power generation on the Felon are reportedly high but we just don't know that but for certain it won't be as high as a real AWACS but still pretty rad.
The sensors are nothing revolutionary on the SU-57, and in fact the F-35's sensor suite outclasses it. Which isn't too surprising. The Su-57 is most likely going to be completely canceled as the aircraft itself has struggled to meet its design goals and it's manufacturing goals. It's stealth is nowhere near to the level of the F-22 or F-35. Russia has canceled mass production and they've barely managed to make one operational.
Also how is a non-stealth aircraft such as the Su-57, which has an RCS that is over 1000x larger than both the F-22 and F-35, supposed to hunt down stealth aircraft? It would get absolutely annihilated attempting to do so. The Su-57's best bet to surviving would be to either stay as far away as possible from any F-22 or F-35 and let his buddies basically commit suicide, or attempt a one in a million strategy of trying to rush it to a merge (which of course would most likely result in the Su-57 getting AMRAMM'd before it had a chance of finding it). And this is even assuming the Su-57 is good in a merge, which as much as we know about the AIM-9x, the Su-57 may get beat there too. Combined with the fact Russian pilots have less flight hours and training this is more so.
@@A_Nice_Guy. To be called any sort of AWAC it needs to generate power in the range of at least one (1) megawatt. A small nuclear power plant produces 500 megawatts. A megawatt can power about 1,000 modern homes. If the Felon could produce that and not be screaming at full throttle to power electric generators, while barely at stall speed, it would be an engineering miracle, like Marty McFly and his Mr. Fusion.
@@weasle2904 The Su-57 is not revolutionary in it's sensor suite, however it is the first manufactured aircraft featuring side mounted radars as a fighter/interceptor (the F-22 was meant to get it before it, but it hasn't had any delivered yet). And, just like with the Americans and other nations, it does have a data link capability. The stealth capabilities shouldn't be, exaggerated by any means on this aircraft, however it, with the help of other radars from both aircraft and other sources, would help it fill the role that it's meant to fill, protecting the homeland, as with data link guided missiles, it can achieve such things. And let's not forget jamming. In a high intensity conflict, neither the F-22 nor Su-57 will really be godly because, in a conflict which is high intensity, your radar is basically blind due to 10% of the world's jamming equipment being stuffed in your face, and you're probably quite busy with literally every single missile warning system screeching at you the moment you show anything other than your nose to your enemy.
The Checkmate sitting next to the Felon is eerily similar to the Lightning II sitting next to the Raptor... Smaller, cheaper, a lesser plane. Made to stuff wallets, not to win fights.
It’s just the next iteration of hi-lo mix. To be honest I’d take 4 f35s over 2 f22s simply because of the ability of the f35 to use network data to react to and counter the f22 with both EW and sensors. The f22 is the superior plane aerodynamically and in a merge no doubt but because of how past admins gutted the project and cancelled it we never got a third or fourth block which would’ve likely gotten tech developed alongside the JSF program.
the 35 is made to win wars, and stuff wallets
Except for being more stealthy on su 75
The power of wishful thinking is strong in this plane…
Will they end up building enough to field a squadron?
That's the question that people should be asking.
Maybe in 20 years lol
1v1 dogfights with guns are going to be incredibly rare, so all this obsession with high alpha is only really useful when you agree not to even fight until the merge. No one is making planes to win in some nerds simulator.
While this is true high alpha can also be used to fire / achieve and maintain radar lock / aggressively defend against a missile launches as well
Except both the F-22 and F-35 were designed under the doctrine of being incredibly maneuverable...
If you hope to achieve air superiority you have to get into the fray, this is why every country and their mom is designing air superiority fighters that can dogfight. It's impossible to even imply you can achieve air superiority in a conflict without dogfighting. We haven't seen the scale of war these weapons are being designed for.
@Kondor999
Yes dogfights are now very rare. But one thing has been proved, especially with the F-4 Phantom in Vietnam (when the experts confidently claimed that WVR dogfighting was dead, and Migs were crushing gunless Phantoms) _air combat is highly fluid and chaotic_ . This means that taking guns off fighters and/or ignoring high AoA/post departure capability is unwise. Remember, after all the F-35 h8ers babbled on for years about _cant turn cant run can't climb_ .....once the F-35 was cleared at 9G and full block 3F capability, it turned out to be very agile.
The reign of sensor fusion and stealth will likely keep most air combat in BVR. But when larger battles between peer nations do occur, we can count on merges happening. When they do, the jet that cannot dogfight dies.
@@King63Kobra "Incredibly maneuverable"... Are you serious? The F22 barely gets into the 5 most maneuverable aircrafts serially produced. And about the F35... I won't speak because I don't wanna hurt anyone feelings.
@@karjalasta Sweet nit-picking, buddy. That doesn't remove the fact that literally every "next gen" aircraft being produced right now has heavy emphasis on maneuvering. And don't bullshit that the F-22 cant maneuver, from what we know already it's one of the best jet fighters ever produced. That's also why every country and their mothers have been trying to make copies of it. It's literally so on top of the market that it isnt even in the market. The F-35 is incredible as well. It's lackluster in comparison to a dedicated air superiority fighter for obvious reasons, but it's dogfighting performance is top notch, especially considering its multi-role. You really have no idea what you're talking about lmao
I can't see how the Russian's can offer anything competitive for 30 million. The engine alone will probably be 30 million. You can guarantee if one flies at the Dubai airshow it will not have it's true engine. Also the weapons bays do not seem to hold a lot of missiles. Unless I'm missing something the SU75 doesn't seem to show a clear advantage over NATO aircraft.
Russian costs are way less that what's US companies are asking for.. it's same for 4th gen fighters - Russia sells them at ~50% of what US ones cost and each international sale pay for 2 same crafts for Russian air force
Love these informative short vids! Too much icing, very little cake indeed. We will need to see testflights happen asap before they say they can take on Fat Amy!
Whether it is or isn't superior isn't really the question. The question is how effective is it overall in the hands of capable combat pilots. Is it good enough is all that matters in some cases. The MiG-15 was superior in some ways to the F-86, but the big difference was in combat pilot skill. A plane has zero kill ability until you put that pilot in the seat.
Just to clarify, the only thing the 86 did better than the 15 was roll rate, and top speed only on later 86 models. Otherwise the 15 outmatched the 86 quite heavily excluding pilot skill, which obviously is the only actual determining factor.
@@evangalinsky2499 the F-86 do have better gun sights tho, but yeah in term of raw performance the MiG-15 is definitely better in a lot more aspect, not to mention those cannons or as GS call them "ABSOLUTE ARTILLERY"
@@A_Nice_Guy. Yeah I was referring to performance rather than economics of the cockpit and such, which were 100% better on the US side.
Unless the parts fall off and radar doesn’t really work and the gun jams because the Russians pull a fast one one whoever buys it by using cheap parts that they know will fail after the first 10 hours of flight.
"Russian planes are like Russian women: a little difficult to handle - but beautiful to look at!"
I love how globally they're still setting their bench marks to beat a plane designed in the 80s/early 90s. If by this time you still haven't even matched a design coming up on 30 years of age, you have bigger concerns like NGAD.
Mig 41
Honestly, i'm not even american and i can't see any country putting a real threat to US air dominance in this century.
Even ''6th gen'' fighters in development such as the european tempest would struggle against and ''old'' f22.
@@badgermcbadger1968 Mig 41 is supposed to be a high altitude and high speed interceptor, not a fighter
Just like 31, which is meant to replace
Then I wonder what the US has still has in the back pocket that would be next gen for the F-22/35. If someone showed with a fighter that beats the F-22 the US just reveals a jet from 2000-2005 that is already better.
These claims are pretty fantastic. I doubt the plane is as good as they're making it out to be.
I'm not that skeptical, it's supposed to be a baby jet anyway.
It can’t really have a worse release than the F35 tbh.
@@Quantiad entirely possible. But it's supposed to have the exact same range as the raptor and many times the payload. I'd like to know where they're keeping eight missiles in that thing.
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5 missiles internal +4 on wing pylons external.
It's a good looking aircraft the design looks competent.
I don't know anything about such things but I wonder exactly how stealthy that Jet intake is. The Russians make pretty good gear so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Russians have the capability to possibly develop a good 5th gen fighter. Putting it into mass production and putting skilled pilots in seats is where they will struggle.
This is 110% a 4th gen++ export/numbers aircraft. If this thing can tango with F18s and modern F16s (and even F15s I suppose) in any serious numbers that is a massive selling point.
It'll probably be 45m usd per unit, but I really, as pmuch everyone, dont think of this as a true 5th gen stealth fighter/interceptor
Nah, I am fairly certain Russia is fully capable of 5th gen aircraft technology.
The math and science basics have been out their for awhile now. Remember, it's a 40+ year technology now.
The SU57 was their concept platform.
Remember, Russia and the US leapfrog with technology. They beat US to space, but the US beat them to the moon. The US had the first atom bomb... Russia.... Got "creative" with their nuclear arsenal made the biggest bombs in recorded history.
It has stealth, that alone makes it a 5th gen.
@@Power5 I agree
@@naterbaternaterbater The Su57 was supposed to be a stealth fighter. It fails as a stealth aircraft, it fails as a cost effective A2A fighter, and it fails at even being able to be manufactured. People talk about how the F-35 development was expensive, but hundreds have been built. Russia has made ONE operational Su-57...
@The Front Those aircraft have been "being built" for years. They don't even have the right engine yet so they're not even building finalized versions. Also the SU-57 is not a stealth aircraft, it's at most a low observable aircraft. This is likely the main reason India was so utterly disappointed and instantly dropped the program they moment they got to see a flyable prototype. The SU-57 based on ball park RCS numbers has a 500-1000x larger RCS than the F-22 and F-35, which is pretty bad. It might as well not be a stealth aircraft at all.
I like what you did here, I am assuming from history that the su-75 may not fly at the Dubai airshow and I doubt its been test flown.
Looks like a long shot and sounds overly hyped. It certainly doesn’t win the beauty contest.....it flys as it looks.
On the price thing, I can see how it might be possible.
When it comes down to it the materials of the object don’t cost 10’s of millions of dollars. So the manufacturing and profit (profit cover development costs) is the real cost of these vehicles.
If using mass manufacture the cost of parts can be brought down and there willing to take a bit of a hit on development costs. Then I think they might be able to do it.
Not to mention planes like the F-35 suffer from government bloat pricing. Where Lockheed don’t have to try and make them radically cheaper, because the US Gov will still buy it.
Not to mention yearly salary for a top-level Sukhoi engineer is around 30k usd.
@@LoisoPondohva i dunno, doesn't sound like really true to me. There is a huge problem with workers being underpaid everywhere, even in the military industry, which is why a lot of malfunctions happen in newly produced equipment, like on that large international exercise in Caucasus where few missiles went stupid.
@@chiken6559 well, that's officially listed salary for the position.
A couple of my university friends work for Sukhoi on engineering positions (junior/middle ones) and get 12 and 18k usd yearly, so sounds about right.
@@chiken6559 to be fair, average russian salary is 6k usd annually, so that's still a lot for this country.
But that's almost 1/10th of what Boeing pays, so helps to keep the costs down.
The main reason why the costs are down is due to fact that most of the systems are already designed for su57.
Thus reducing the development costs.
Pie in the sky, Still waiting to see what engine will go in their SU-57, even India gave up on its joint development... just how many of any of these new marvels will ever get produced.
Eager to see GS in these planes. Or see it being splashed by GS in the F-14.
Su-57: looks suspiciously like an F-22 with a few changes
Su-75: looks suspiciously like an F-35 with a few changes
_Nah mate, I must be going crazy!_ :D
what? not even remotly close
@@programix8432 That tail and engine section as well as the central fusalage on the Su-75 beg to differ.
Look at some images on Google of a Su-75 and an F-35 side by side. If you are seriously going to tell me that they don't look anything alike after that, then you're as blind as a bat lol
I think it will have intake problems at high turn rates, blade stall
Its only designed to pull 8 G's im sure russia was probably thinking that having less g force pulled would make the aircraft more agile in some cases. Theres a problem to that, the F-22 is a air to air superiorety fighter. Thr raptor has excellent post stall munervbility they say its designed to "hunt" the f-22 and F-35, but can it make the kill. A stealth jet that only pulls 8G would make it an easy target.
@@NZobservatory The intake is in a relatively low pr4essure area, like the MIG 21
@@FastHouseGaming It might be really difficult for RADAR to see.
@@NZobservatory Did I hurt your feelings or something?
@@NZobservatory Thanks for the conformation
It's literally a wood mockup as we speak and could remain that way.
I would not underestimate Russian technology advances over the years, a lot of people are still in mind process of the early 90's when the Soviet Union dissolved and Russia was in a state of economic ruin. They have Hypersonic cruise missiles now, as do China, they also have the S-500 in the works which can allegedly track stealth aircraft. The Americans still think they are world leaders in everything they do, but sadly, now, that is not the truth. So whatever you may think of the SU-75, until it is flying, we have no idea what this thing will be capable of. I am on the fence on this one, it came out of nowhere, in my opinion the Russians have built some of thee most capable fighters ever built and are only second to the F-15 and F-22 in that order. Stealth will only play a small role in future air warfare as more sophisticated radars come online and that tech becomes small enough to put in aircraft, then we will all be back to square one.
Bullshit, its not even built yet, this demostrator model is emty. I guess, we can see a real, flying capable model only in est. 10-12 years, and till then, in Russia everything can happen if Putin dies. Im Russian btw.
@@heardistance your Russian? Good for you, that makes no difference to this whatsoever. The F-35 still isn't a complete model, all three variants still have their issues and they are serving in air forces all over the world. You can call my opinion bullshit and you are free to, but if you are, at least counter it with a bit of a more educated and more informative reply, saying bullshit and reeling off a nonsensical bit of garbage simply doesn't cut it I'm afraid.
@@MarcNewitt Its not even built, and im sure, only particular developed. Its funny to read how foreigner not even understanding how Russia and their propaganda works, trying to theorise about it. This plane will not fly for next decade, possibly never, if Putin dies, and Russia will fall into political instability... you will see.
@@heardistance it should fly in 2023. Самое удивительная черта нынешних либералов, к коим без сомнения можно отнести и тебя, это неприятие любых успехов России из-за отождествления российского власти с этим успехом.
@@heardistance well if its any consolation, our Tempest project won't fly for a long time yet and whether it actually gets into production and into service will be another story altogether. We'll probably cave and buy from the Americans, something I don't agree with.
Kudos on making this vid! I quite liked your take on it and I'm happy to see you extend into this sort of thing as well :). Real world news breakdown is a good avenue for you!
We’ll have to see once it finally comes out. As a total package seems to be 10 or 15 years late to the party. Other than aerodynamic efficiencies I see it as being on the same level as a modern viper. But we shall see Russians have been promising interesting aircraft and submarine technology for quite a while this may be better than advertised.
I would say given the size/weight of the Viper.. the viper would hold a advantage, same goes for the euro fighter and Swedish/French aircraft....
One on one Viper may be better. But for the price of Viper you will get 2 of these.
@@masoodjalal1152 you forget that f 16 Viper is not stealth aircraft
@@andrewhomo2461 it's signature is extremely low. And it's highly maneuverable, not to mention modern day avionics pretty much make stealth a nonfactor.
@@boostedbadboyzx12r31 it has RCS of about 1 meter, with missiles on board it even increases.
the feel i get from this kinda reminds me of F-5 Tiger/Freedom fighter
lightweight bare bones machine using the simplest possible tech at the lowest possible cost to create plane that is "good enough" to do the job
its supposed to use already developed engine from the different plane, the radar i assume will be taken from something existing also leaving just the fuselage design (its "stealth" they all are +- the same shape) as only "development cost"
even if its performance wont be stellar (half the thrust of Felon with +- simmilar size) the cost might make it attractive enough if its "stealth" is good enough. its fine and dandy underestimating the damn thing until you are suddenly facing off 2-1 to 5-1 odds...
i dont know about you people but if its radar is good and its stealth is workable i wouldnt want to be sitting even in Raptor having to go 2 vs 10 against even significantly inferior plane
There seems to be two schools of thought. Either produce a lot of okay aircraft and have them outnumber the better aircraft, or one literal flying saucer to rule them all.
@@gillhewerfamily6550 or thrird one - be the filthy rich USA that outnumbers everyone else with flying saucers ...
The issue with the 2-1/5-1 arguments is that it ignores that if a country chooses a "cheaper" fighter and buys 5 cheap jets instead of 1 more expensive jet, you still have to pay for at the minimum 5 pilots to fly each cheap jet, you have to maintain 5 jets, have ground crews to serve all 5 jets, have infrastructure to support all 5 jets, have ammunition and weapons to support all 5 jets
The idea of a cheap jet with minimal features doesn't work
@@demanischaffer This is very true.
If I remember correctly the F-35 was also supposed to be "cheap". It will be interesting to see how they can keep the cost that low, while still maintaining a competitive system (assuming price stays as intended)
The F35, *is cheap*
The F-35 at this point is cheaper than any of the Eurocanards due to economies of scale. As for the Su-75, if the Su-57 is any indicator, it will be simply not be anywhere near competitive with the American aircraft it's supposed to rival
@@MCXL1140 Ts not. Fotr the USAF its 80 million for the naked plane, without weapons, spare parts, or training.
imagine putting thrust vectoring on an f35 . that is how you can tell how it might perform
And then scrap the 35 of all it's advanced avionics and EW systems, plus remove the stealth coating.
The engine of the su75 will be the definitive engine of the su57, the izdeliye 30 that is still in development. The forecast is that it will be finished at the end of 2022 and tests will begin in the su57 and su75. This engine is expected to come out in the su57 series in 2025
Correct
Not anymore after Feb 24 tho
maybe that 30 mill price tag is when they stripped of the AESA radar and and all the other sensors, and replace the 3D vectoring engine with a turboprop
your content gets me through alot :)
The F-22 is so good, it can beat fictional planes. Such as the SU-75 Checkmate
Even if it's not the 5th gen hunter they are hyping it up to be, the price of the aircraft is enticing, almost unbelievable. My theory is that they are re-using ALOT of critical components from the su-57, and perhaps using far fewer composite materials. Engine choice will affect the pricing as well, with the cheapest model probably using the older Saturn AL-41, instead of the upcoming izdeliye 30. The recycling of technologies likely shortened the development time dramatically, thus they are able to spread the total development costs over both su-57 and -75.
What I see, is a concept that mirrors the F-22/F-35 pairing in which both airframes operate in support of one another. I would venture to say that the hype is mainly to drive import sales as you stated in the description you provided during the video.
As you stated about the F-22 and F-35 I believe it will act as same role to the SU-57 as the main fighter.
Hey notice how the Su-75's wings and tails are both taken from the 57.
Did they really say it's gonna fly in Dubai? It hasn't even had a first flight yet.
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From the Russian web, they say that this is the KNS prototype, basically non-flying lab for integration and taxi tests that might be modified to flying status later
I can see some pilots coming up with some clever smartass lines after defeating an aircraft called "checkmate"
Will be nice and capable fighter in Revell's world.
except its already a large serial production plane lol
I wonder whether they're going for a "MiG-21 for the 21st century" kind of thing with it. The 21 got them a lot of export money over the years.
You can't really get 3d thrust vectoring with one nozzle, as there's no way to get roll control. It'd possibly have 2d, yaw and pitch, but considering Russian jets have mostly had one vector axis per nozzle, and the long overhangs for the rear control surfaces, I'd bet on 1d vectoring in pitch only.
It litterally looks like one of the prototypes that were submitted for the program that became the f-35
Gotta give Russia the credit though..their 5th gen aircraft are original. Unlike some of the other 5th gen concept that are f 22/35 look -a-likes. I like it, i think its worth the support. Nice vid GS
@Bob Honestly.......that is a fair comment i can't argue against that XD..
@Bob so basically the USA 5th gen reject hybrid?
To be fair, stealth plane designs is analogous to SST competition of the 60's, the number of possible solutions are quite limited. The South Korean KF-21 and the Chinese FC-31 and J-20 looks similar to the F-22 and F-35, just like how the Concorde looked similar to the Soviet Tu-144
@@Orange_390 True but you have to bare in mind that there are other options the KF-21 and the FC-31 had. They are only constrained to an extent be it all having matching angles on certain parts of the plane ,so on so forth... so making a direct look a like to the f-22 is just lazy engineering. Russia proves this point very well. Be bold, be different, be russia
@@nathanaelgilkes4412 that's what different doctrine get you, cool and different designs
The thing _does_ look like it has vortex generators just behind the intake that could generate a lot of high-alpha lift, but they're so small it looks like they'll bleed speed even worse than the F-16
tbh kinda feels like it's meant to be a Russian 5th-ish gen F-5 rather than an F-35 competitor. it would make more sense and be more in line with the specs.
yeah, I kinda feel that this literally made to bring in hard cash to help with Su-57 (and other Sukhoi stuff like Okhotnik etc.) production with the checkmate sharing a lot of subsystem with the Felon and all.
It's very funny however the fact that when compared similar aircrafts one on one, Europeans, especially Russians as in this case, almost always got better performance, equipment, and usually engines than American counterparts. Avionics on the other hand are always very similar on both as technology is incorporated as it's being developed.
We can all agree - looks pretty dope. has that F16 sleekness
If you think of, its an insane plane since countries that cant develop 5th gen planes and cant negociate with the US can choose this plane ( and remembering that the cost of this plane is roughly the same as an F-16 )
Well the cost of the Su-57 was advertised as 53 mil a pop too...and that didn't go too well didn't it?
**cough* over 100 million per unit now *cough**
@@matiassam2507 Not sure where you took this number from but most Russian sources give around 3 billion rubles per plane which is $40+ mln. Contract signed for 76 planes has even lower number than that.
The Su-75 looks a LOT like what I would picture as a stealth version of the F-16.
I'm surprised that you mention the brochure int on "8 G max". In a time of electromagnetic and BVR combat, dogfighting capabilities for fighters are like knife fighting capabilities for infantry. Fun to imagine, high-profile on the rare occasions when it matters, not likely to win a war. Not even the air-to-air portion of a war.
The Su75 is what the YF32 should've been, aesthetically.
I do not think this will be a very good competitor for the F-35 and I KNOW it will not be for the F-22 8gs will not cut it.
F-35 is not that bright in the merge. JSF is not a superiority fighter, it's a tactical fighter. It's a overpriced gimmic aimed at filling in the void left by the Harriers...
Quoted...
"The interesting fact is that flight dynamics laws do not mean the same as higher over g is equal to higher maneuverability For the most aircraft the best turn rate is reached with G number about 6-7, and only the firs turn can be made with maximum G and aircraft after it losts greater part of its energy. And just for instance, russian aircrafts are constructed with an safety factor rated 1.5. So all the aircraft part besides controlling elements withstand at least 12,5 G for ground based models and for carrier based 12 Gs"
Why do they still insist on keeping the canopy bow and that protruding IRST? both greatly hinder the stealth capability.
Or the exposed engine exhaust.
3:10 ace combat has prepared me for moments like this😤😤😤
The best way to drive export sales for an aircraft, would be to say that it is not intended for export.
Should be interesting to see how it performs at the airshow! I still find it strange that they don’t have a one piece cockpit glass & still have the two piece design which cuts down on your visibility. Not a big thing but I still think it hampers forward visibility compared to Western fighter designs.
Visibility isnt so important anymore. If you fight its BVR landing can be done via IFR so there is ne real need, espacally if you can lower the costs more.
@@rppkczar3852 is not important for you personally 😉
In Jurassic Park....the hunter is hunting a velociraptor when it pops up besides him...."Clever girl!" Famous last words....
Modern mig-21
Seems like a 5th gen Mig21
Yes, its a lot of talk saying that this jet will be capable to hunt the f-22, thats a of talk. They said the su- 57 falcon was suppost to be the raptors variant. I can see this jet going well with the f-35 lighting, but its a lot of talk about it being able to hunt the raptor.
There is no talk from Sukhoi it will be like F-22, F-35 or SU-57, its a modern export jet for countries which cant buy modern 5 or 4+ gen jets for a reasonable price.
With the SU-27 Sukhoi hit on success. With the 30-35S, they improved on perfection. With the SU-57, they became derivative. With the SU-75 Checkmate, they've jumped the shark.
Agree. I love the Su35S and it's 2 pilot version the Su30SM, those are incredible, totally sick. The navy version Su33 doesn't share that thrust vectoring engines, pretty awesome tho as well as supermaneuverable. They even designed a tactical bomber, the Su34 based on the Su27 family.
Good point - well observed and I totally agree.
It’s more likely to be a mock-up... only!
I'd have range concerns for such a jet, how much fuel or missiles can it carry with the fuel and engine structures. Also doesn't look carrier ready
This thing can carry a huge payload more than any 5th gen plane idk the exact numbers
It doesnt carry much and it wasnt designed to be on a carrier.
Lets wait and see, it might surprise us
@@MFPRego it doesnt carry much? That thing can lift a shit ton of a weight boi
@@peregrinefalcon9513 im sure of what im saying, i was there.
This aircraft was made for export mainly, and i think it will be a big rival for the F35.
With their targeted market being countries that can’t afford or aren’t allowed to buy NATO jets, I don’t think its ability to be used on a carrier matters at all since most of those countries doesn’t operate one. Most likely when the growing pains are taken care of they’ll be replacing the MiG-29K but that too is a bit of a stretch.
I'll take Fat Aimee for the win. The robust dimensions of the Checkmate make sense for the internal weapons. I remember seeing the promo video. It look so narrow, and I was wondering where all the internal weapons would go.
SU-75: I’m going to hunt you!
F-22: Fly first, then you can try.
Bruh it's marketing
@@julian5857If this is their marketing strategy, They’d better hire me then.
Oh damn I didn't know they already had a flight-ready prototype
they are just now building a flight ready prototype
@@Skankhunt-mv4vd he legit said in the video that it will perform a flight at dubai airshow 0:19
Russia has constantly surprised the world with it's Aircrafts and I believe SU-75 will be no different. I won't go as far as to say it can take on the raptor but definitely the F-35 now has a rival
You mean USSR? Because Russia haven't surprised anyone during the last 25 years.
@@tornadoman1054 Man they're just having some rough time because they're market has been destroyed quite badly. I mean let's take an example of what happened here in Pakistan on 27th February 2019. PAF successfully shot down a Mig-21 Bison and a SU-30 MKI in an aerial dogfight. American planes have been proven in combat more recently by some of the top Airforce's of the world, where as Russian planes have been struggling with such combat experience, never the less they're still pretty amazing fighter jets
@@tornadoman1054 but let's not make any conclusions we might be in for a surprise
I'm pretty sure we will not see this Checkmate operational at least for the next 20 years)
Good stuff Growling!
Some where far away this plane is only for battle pass buyers
Russian philosophy is the same with USSR, numbers has its own quality. Cheap, probably subpar stealth but enough to get them in close and personal and they come in numbers. Nobody thinks that'll be funny and it's very unwise to underestimate it.
Russian philosophy has changed, and even if numbers was their strategy, they don't have them
"Numbers over quality" and other variations of this same sentence is cold war propaganda, and by no means matches the reality then or now.
Historically Russia and the USRR were the only countries capable of matching the USA in warfare technology. They do happen to have absurd numbers in their favor, but it's a fallacy to say this is detrimental to the overall quality.
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