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please avoid the urge to point out to me that this is actually the ADFX-01 from AC, I'm aware of that lol, it's just a cool concept I wanted to explore for fun mostly of what it COULD possibly be like to fight a 6th generation fighter. Anyway Thanks for watching and I'll see you in the next one.
YESSSS DUDE THE NGAD 😭👌
That is not NGAD. it is Berkut. NGAD look like Tempest.
Is this the trust vectoring F-22
I think the ADFX-01 isn't much of a 6th gen fighter, the ADF-01 would be a better depiction.
“It’s time”
If the ADFX-01 really was the NGAD that would be legendary to see fiction become reality
Yeah that'd be awesome
I’d die lol
I would like to see either the X-02 wyvern or the CFA-44 😏
The design is not even stealthy compared to the real life 5th gen fighters.
Wouldn't it though
the funniest part is that despite the fact Sidewinder is clearly a hardcore simulation/DCS fan he still knows his Ace Combat lore
I promise it's a pipeline
Imagine NGAD with an air-to-air laser pod.
Tls has entered chat
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And with that, PJs fate was sealed
Air to "whatever the hell is in my way" laser pod but yes I endorse.
DEW's are likely going to be on 6th gen fighters. They would probably start as microwave beams to fry electronics of incoming missiles instead of being directly used against opposing aircraft, but I wouldn't be surprised if power generation tech gets good enough to mount an anti-aircraft DEW on a 6th or 7th gen fighter
"Those who survive a long time on the battlefield start to think they're invincible...I bet you do to, Buddy"
Your missles won't do anything from the rear, his armor is too strong. You'll have to face him dead on.
Demon lord of the round table
Swear, could hear the flamenco from here
In Cipher we trust
Aim for his intakes!
@@cannekill2158 I pray for your success
Dang, didn't know the US has ADFX-01s
Maybe next we'll develop the ADF-11F and finally out Belka Belka! 🍻🇺🇸
Imagine an XFA-33 with all of its weapons including the microwave
Oh hell no, last thing we need is skynet pulling an AC7😅
@@Vol_ante Arsenal Bird with Super Maneuverability😎 the boys at Lockheed prolly foaming at the mouth right now
@@hurricaneace143 Imagine merging with a 5th gen fighter and your plane goes Eva Unit 01 on you💀
Belka is already at 7th gen.
Summary of the video: "Here comes the snow!"
"That's what V2 is for."
And the fact that Cipher took down a 6h gen fighter with a laser in an F-15C no less.
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@@alexanderhavard8752 "You feeling fired up? Come shoot me down." okay
@@imgvillasrc1608 the ADFX is a 4.5 gen tho
@@anderu2384 sort of....cfa 44 is 6th generation and x02
F22 is most certainly a benchmark for the USAF’s next gen fighter. Scary to think of something that will dominate an F22.
It's a balloon killer. That's it so far. 🤣 You're full of hot air.
@@fgk765jkh when no one wants to fight the F-22 you take what you can get
@@fgk765jkh L
@@fgk765jkh if the balloon is called Sukhoi then yes
@@musaratjahan7954 Based
IT‘S TIME
@@youtubeairways8646 books?
@@mikel13899 All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
@@alexanderhavard8752 its language??? Any of its moments turned into memes like oversimplified???
@@Htchhgjhhchc45 TIME TO DIVE INTO THE FIREWORKS
I like how GS pulled the stick up at the end of the first fight to save the virtual residents of the town.
At least he didn't fly towards a Stadium
Big F for CPT Davenport
@@youtubeairways8646
Should’ve fought it in an F-15. If you know, you know.
*flamenco intensifies*
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Low key expected the NGAD had a shield to absorb the Fox 2 like the alien fighter ships from Independence Day.
mmmh belkan witchcraft
It did. With the lack of the tls on top its a adfx-1 not 2 which gave it the ability to carry a laser that tracks and a 2 mini nukes on the wings and basically aps
It might have lasers
I like to imagine that 7th gen fighters would probably just be like the planes in Macross, but without the ability to transform into mechs.
Bro by 7th gen we’re gonna be using Gundams.
The NGAD really reminds of the the fighter used by the protagonist in Macross Plus!
@@alxavier3795 I was thinking of the same exact plane, the YF-19.
You just describing Killswitch
A 6th Gen proposed fighter by US
Honestly I would love to see a Veritech Fighter because that means that Grumman will be back in the business of making Fighters again.
If the NGAD is not gonna carry 100 missiles, have a big-ass laser on its back and fire multipurpose burst missiles then I don't want to hear about it.
-Gründer Industries- Skunk Works better not disappoint.
**WHEEZE** I love this comment.
So more Belkan sorcery?
bro same
It better shoot square explosions
Id love to tell my son about this
7:48 that was scary as hell, he flew into the sun defensive and then popped back out with his nose almost pointed right at you
For anyone wondering, 5th Gen requires stealth characteristics so more likely the 6th will require it too.
Unfortunately, the ADFX-01 doesn’t have the design for stealth characteristics.
True, but the newer ADF's looks too futuristic to be plausible
@@Edo_Ginting I mean the definitely can work, probably won't look like that once its operational. The US and Russia have made forward swept wing prototypes that were feasible but failed due to greats amount of instability destroying Flight Control Systems (New computers could fix that, poor stability at slower speeds during landing (why it would not look that same as the image, plus a shit ton of other things), and warping/bending of the wingtips during flight (Was believed that new materials could fix that).
If you look at initial designs of all other aircraft you would find that none of them were sufficient in their model and prototype phase. Aircraft designing his very hard, but it has to start somewhere.
@@knightzing just like b-2 / f-117... We'll see on Dec 2 if stealth still requires shape. I bet it doesn't
@@dizzyizzie6354
Bruh... the basic design principle for stealth is the shape. You can't silently hide an aircraft that is not shaped to hide itself.
It has already been known that the B-21 will essentially be a smaller B-2 with some physical design changes to enhance stealth.
If you didn't know flying wings and diamond shaped aircraft (F-117) are the most stealthy design choices.
This literally comes from books from the most top military aviation engineers in the US.
Stealth additions can include coating and redacted computers that work like jamming pods, but they are extremely limited.
One of the objectives of the USAF NGAD program is a 100% increase in stealth capability compared to 5th gen.
From what I remember they also want it to Supercruise at Mach 2 or something like that.
Real magic shit
You HAVE to do this in an F-15C against the "NGAD". I don't know if you know where the model for the NGAD is from, but it is mandatory.
Ah i see where you're going with this
“Yo buddy, still alive?”
Needs to be done over like the apls or something too. The theme is even copyright free :)
I can hear the Flamenco and Latin singing already
That fighter is from the Ace Combats franchise.
The Falken 💯
12:02 When you mention the bay doors needing to open before the sidewinder can fire, this is already accounted for in the real F-22 when in ACM the sidewinder pops out of the bay for a 'peek-a-boo' in order to search for the target and get lock. Thus, I believe this process is modeled incorrectly in DCS where you get lock while the bay door is still closed. Could have saved you the extra second and scored you the kill possibly.
This is why every modern plane has to come with an infrared search and track
@@spinningsquare1325no every plane should be capable of carrying misled that track ir
AIM 9X will lock after launch.
It's seeker dosent need to see the target prior to launch it'll go where the HMD (if so equipped) boresight is pointed or where the IRST tells it too...
And then, while it's one the way - it'll lock the target.
Pretty slick.
The Strangereal universe has begun making it's way into DCS. It's that Belkan Witchcraft at work.
That side shot baby.
Your 9X over the top... 😫
Really fun jet to play around with, good fight, great video brother!
When can we count on your perspective of this fight?
"Alright guys today we're going to be flying the ADFX-02"
Tell me
Have you found a reason to fight yet?
Buddy?
*sky starts speaking spanish guitar*
The 9x missile that hits at 10:28 was able to hit without his nose being on because it simply dropped out, and pivoted itself before using any thrust. IT'S nose was already ON when thrust was engaged! 😮
"So....have you found a reason to fight yet.....buddy?"
I can't believe we saw a dogfight against NGAD before we saw an F-35 BVR
Lmao Fr
F-35 vs MiG-31 would be cool to see
GS should be in the 35.
Love that last bit: "oh spicy ejection" hahaha
I think we're already pretty close to the limit of making improvements in aerodynamic shapes and that kind of stuff. Expect some improvements with engine and aerodynamic efficiency, but I think the real 6th gen is going to be more to do with sensor and software improvements, and the differences in doctrine those enable.
This guy is in the know.
We would literally have to break free from Newton bound physics in order to revolutionize again.
Quite the opposite actually, stealth considerations brought new compromises to aerodynamic efficiency and performance. The raptor for example is airspeed limited by it's radar absorbent material. I do see a return to aerodynamic efficiency as stealth becomes less viable with the aforementioned advances in sensory technology.
I think the only way to improve manoeuvrability at this point is to go remote controlled (which it seems like they’re doing to some extent with NGAD)
The same way there were limits of piston fighters there are limits of jets and we are at the limit. You have a very good point. From the external look of this fighter it looks like it has very high wing loading and should be less efficient than F22 in a 2 circle turn fight.
4:35 looks like you even defeated it by shooting its front intakes...
It is a known fact that NGADs all have intense flamenco and orchestra as an aura surrounding them wherever they go
When you're unsure if an aircraft is dead because you just shot it with a 9x and it's still keeping up with you. That's insane
That title immediately caught my attention
that last ejection, pilot goes SPLAT.
epic.
The "OH, spicy ejection" then the splat had me laughing harder then I should have been... Bravo Zulu GS!
Indeed, that was epic xD
@@TurboGuru Same, started cracking up
These videos are unexpectedly fun to watch. I never expect flight simulator videos to be so entertaining and your commentary definitely helps.
The spicy ejection comment followed by the «splat» had me laugh out 😂
Good thing the NGAD is an acronym for “Not Gonna Actually Die” 😆
Lol
I think the Wyvern is probably closer to what the NGAD will be like.
Or the Nosferatu.
Agreed, *can confirm*
Nah, Wyvern is cool and all, but conseptually outdated and way off from what NGAD should be. If anything, ADF-11F Raven is an ultimate NGAD: fast, stealthy, incredible combat range, UAV command&control, optionally manned/crewed, superconnectivity, etc.
Mabye when it's tucked in cos when it's wings are spread it's less stable, even though that's point of it. But either the cfa-44 or the xfa-33 are more likely the most reasonable design
@@Mobius118 Of course you'd say that Mobius 1
NGAD design team: 'So, how many of the laws of physics do you want us to break?'
USAF: 'Yes.'
The ADFX-01 would be an awesome 6th gen, but reality is often disappointing.
I think it's less so "disappointing" and more so "unexpected", or more accurately "down to earth". People have an expectation of future technology being flying cars and laser guns. Technology can develop fast but incrementally, where to the present observer would seem slow. And more often than not in a way people don't expect.
A new 6th gen fighter could end up looking like a modified F-35 on the outside but have a whole new set of very advanced avionics and weapons systems. Or it might look really futuristic and cool on the outside but internally it's only a little better than what we already have. Or it could be somewhere in-between but the real crazy future tech is on a component people overlook.
For example take the army's new XM5 rifle. On the outside it just looks like a modern AR-10 with a lot of bells and whistles. On the inside it's still using a design that's almost 60 years old. The real crazy future tech is in the unassuming digital optic mounted to it, and how with new training doctrines combined with the new equipment has the potential to turn every grunt into a deadly sharpshooter.
@@galloglaigh8198 "I think it's less so "disappointing" and more so "unexpected""
"People have an expectation of future technology being flying cars and laser guns"
That is what disappointing means.
The main idea going into 6th gen was to finally ditch vertical stabilizers to bring the insane stealth characteristics of the stealth bomber over to fighters. They've maxed that out in traditional fighter designs otherwise. New coatings may help but they can only do so much. But they are key as even current stealth coatings eat up 70-80% of radar.
The funny thing is, lore-wise, it’s actually a 4.5th-gen
Man, can you imagine split-throttling in that NGAD?
I'm betting that NGAD won't be much, if any better, than F-22 in BFM. It's just going to have a lot better stealth, sensors, sensor integration, probably better engines, and the ability to integrate with unmanned wingman aircraft.
I think the big one will be long range capability for taking on china over the pacific!
let's not forget better missiles, AIM-260 ftw!
It probably won't even have a pilot. Or the pilot will be optional.
Also the ability to produce them at scale. Open architecture means the Air Force can simply order 5 more on a moment's notice and get them without having to start up a whole supply chain.
That, and the ability to update the design with improvements and field them quickly. Do this instead of designing a whole new plane.
@@protorhinocerator142 at some point you still need to order parts to build things. There has to be a supply chain for that stuff.
You may have done better in the F-15 here. Just a hunch :)
It’s not Super-maneuverable so no lmao
@@Utubesuperstar you don't get it hehe
It's not just a hunch, *it's mandatory*
@@Utubesuperstar you didn't get it :)
You could say *It's V2*
Now, we need F-15C against this thing, to test how many tries did Cypher spent to shoot down Pixy
You're lucky it's not equipped with its sweeping laser beam, mini-nukes, and energy shields to protect it from any attack that isn't going into its air intakes.
I always found it silly that Belka only bothered to shield off everything except the front air intakes, and that the AWACS found that out after about a mere 5 minutes of "analysis".
7th gen can go two ways:
If no WW3: Spaceships
If WW3: Sopwith Camels
It should be also worth noting that the ADFX-01, in Strangereal lore, is actually a Generation 4 aircraft.
Other than the fact that its highly maneuverable, its really not all that remarkable compared to the other AC designs.
Fight a CFA-44 if you wanna Gen 6 fight.
*4.5
Isnt the CFA-44 visible on radar?
@@aestronom1920 Nope it’s actually stealth.
True because doesn’t look stealth. It’s more of a hyper maneuverability fighter
That and the X02 Strike Wyvern. Well in the running for a 6th Gen or 5.5
That was an epic dcs dogfight. It was like an anime like MACROSS PLUS or Yukikaze, both classic air combat animes. Another great video GS.
Supposedly, the NGAD isn't really a _fighter_ per se, but more of a parts bin that future projects can take from in order to make advanced fighters. One such part is the XA100 engine, which recently was tested in an F-35. Though it seems that an airframe that is designed to take these parts is also in the works.
NGAD is a program. Multiple jets will come from it
XA100 and XA101 have yet to fly.
Sounds not so good... A purpose built system will always be superior to a modular system.
Belka returns after so many years
I can’t believe the US Military already developed an ADFX-01, just gotta work on getting the TLS now.
Nah, MPBM's
@@seantaylor2683 The US has already made MPBMs, though.
This is one of the greatest crossovers to ever exist 😂
Next time you need to use a Solo Wing Pixy skin for the ADFX
Also use F-15C
I bet his survival rate would increase tremendously
those engines are crazy strong, like imagine the cooling on those things, and the composites used to reduce its weight to get that kind of power its insane.
Sorry, but the ADFX-01 wasn’t carrying 160 missiles and spamming them left and right, so it isn’t historically accurate…
I WANT TO SEE AN ADF-01 FALKEN IN DCS NOW
I can just see that's how the aim-9 on the F-35 would turn when taking the DAS into account and upgrades to the missile itself
12:35 uh oh spicy ejection ***squish***
*flamenco guitar intensifyes*
A White plane with a Red wing approaches
"Have you Found a reason to fight yet, BUDDY"
Question about the set-up. You went into each round with the sun behind you; when you merged, on your 180 he was in or around the sun, giving him the advantage. Is it possible to alternate each round, or have the computer select random headings (though head-on of course)?
LOL!!! That squish noise on that last ejection.
12:36 would've made the PERFECT jump cut to the "Hey Ron. Hey Billy. That Hurt." video where the guy falls through the ceiling.
Good gravy, that thing looks like it'll switch to mode G or B at any time.
Also "Spicy ejection!" *splat* lol
6:48 Belkan witchcraft xd
That NGAD looks like it could be a galactic space interceptor! Would love to see that become a reality or something very similar!
Said NGAD was involved in a classified coup attempt by Anarchists to hijack an massive MIRV missile to reset the world order. It has such good EW systems that it's all but invincible to missiles and the only weakness it has is it's front air intakes, meaning you have to hope to ram a missile from head on for a chance to kill this thing.
NGAD definitely starting to look like the Yukikaze.
"Can you see any Borders up here? What has Borders given us? Yo Buddy... You still alive? THAT'S WHAT V2 IS FOR!"
ADFX-01, here we go!!
Good luck GS!!
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That was awesome to watch. The NGAD design for this looks very similar to the new generation variable fighters from Macross Delta. Which were later versions of the YF-19 from Macross Plus. If like Anime at all and you haven’t seen the later. I highly recommend it. The plot was inspired by the contest between the YF-23 Black Widow and the YF-22 Raptor.
the Killswitch concept from Pan Spatial looks like that it would absolutely dominate in a Dogfight. With the option to launch from the top of the bottom of the aircraft, the ability for a high off boresight launch is probably even greater than the AIM-9X.
Do you see any borders from here?
I cant wait for Su-57 vs X-02
(GS starts talking and then gets a good look at the bogey)
...Yo buddy...Still alive?...
The NGAD looks like it has a thigh gap, as if they made a Secretary Bird into a jet.
Wow! Great video!
That's the only one of your vids where I've ever seen you consistently get shot down. That thing you were fighting against is a freakin' beast!
That bird really looks like the YF-19 from Macross Plus
Next up, GS fights a UFO.
I know the model is just a placeholder but the real one won't have vertical stabilizers or canards. It'll basically be a triangle with as few external features as possible.
I cant wait to see what the 6th gen will be. Ive worked on the F-22 late 80's early 90's tech. Which still blows my mind of what it can do. Ive also worked on the F-35 late 90's tech, impressive in its own way. Now the 6th gen will most likely have mid-late 2000's tech which will probably retire the raptor, once the bugs are worked out of it.
So Growlingsidewinder is the Demon Lord?
Personally, I would like a BVR fight of this, that would be interesting to see their stealth capabilities.
that missile the ngad was firing must have a 360° tracking cone
Make me fell likes Mobius 1 and Pixy are fighting each other lol.
Nice flying there pilot!
Love the videos man! Keep the good work up!
F-22 Engineer: "We did the upmost to bury the engines and mask the heat signature through baffling and airflow tricks."
NGAD Designer: "Yeah... f*ck that." **welds the most obscene engines possible externally to the fuselage and enlarges exhaust nozzles for cool factor.**
So you're saying it's actually designed by Russians.....
"Spicy ejection!" That is an all timer. Right up there with when you got spooked by the f22 flying formation!
Whoever designed that NGAD for DCS has to be a fan of Macross Plus. It's an almost exact representation of Isamu's YF-19 without the Tomcat's variable swept wing capability.
Oh how I hope and pray I see the X-02s now 🙏🏼
the missiles look like they are launched, then turn very quickly, then fire their engines, so they might have little boosters to get them to aim straight at you before their main rockets go so they can just bee-line to target
The final ejection with the splatter sound effect got me in stitches
Aw yes my favorite Valkyrie, the VF-9A Cutlass
Damn I didn't realize the NGAD was out like that
Okay so I am new here. Been enjoying the content, but what I really would like to see is the F-16XL.
I get it , I am not in a large group, I just hope one day someone gets around to making that jet, I always wanted to see how it would have handled itself.
Yeah, F-16XL would be super interesting. I just have to think it would basically be a Eurofighter, though
@@JohnNathanShopper Yes I thought that too.
That final ejection was savage.
These fights were awesome! Love to see the F22 still able to hang in there, hope to see this again in BVR and maybe F16 vs NGAD next, see if it can indeed outrate everything!
I feel like you will be a bit underwhelmed by the 6th Gen jets. The official concepts seen so far being the F/A-XX of the US Navy with a tail-less delta configuration according to Boeings renderings, the Airbus/Dassault FCAS which looks similar to a 5th Gen jet however with a tail configuration like that of the YF-23, the BAE Tempest which is similar to the FCAS is many aspects as well as the Mitsubishi F-X which seems to be similar to the YF-23 too.
All of that implies that a greater emphasis was placed on stealth. Furthermore higher speeds for supercruise would be a next step as well. The major improvements over the 5th Gen will be systems integration, avionics, and being able to effectively work with or as UAVs.
Some suggest in the future the use of lasers to counter missiles too.
Directed energy weapons will be a key component of 6th gen aircraft, both for offensive and defensive use. It's gonna be scary when UAV's are flying around with death rays.
@@BlyGuy
Pilot: "NGAD, fire phasers!"
NGAD: "Affirmative Captain, firing phasers. The targets are destroyed."
Pilot: "Good shooting NGAD!"
NGAD: "Of course it was Captain, since I never miss."
What is going to power a directed energy weapon on a fighter aircraft? The turbine can’t afford that much power, even in a capacitor bank.
@@loumencken9644 imagine a defensive laser that basically renders missiles useless against it. Guns/AAA will become more important than ever.
*Spanish Guitar and Chants intensifies*
"Have you found your reason to fight yet, Buddy?"
I wasn't ready for that "splat" sound into the building in the last dogfight