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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  ปีที่แล้ว +112

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    • @Anarchy_420
      @Anarchy_420 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      F-15STOL/MTD VS NGAD

    • @leonardoXDSWL
      @leonardoXDSWL ปีที่แล้ว +1

      does the DCS take into account the six radars of the Su-57?

    • @psycho3v345
      @psycho3v345 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can u remake the 3 ufo 🛸 shot down

    • @dimitri1154
      @dimitri1154 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love these videos, unfortunately the comments section turns into a pissing contest 😀

    • @hkguitar1984
      @hkguitar1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fantastic GS, a very tight engagement, I was on the edge of my seat after you made the merge.

  • @veldrin055
    @veldrin055 ปีที่แล้ว +3606

    F-22's 5th generation stealth was a massive factor in its recent 4-0 engagements with balloons and UFOs

    • @recon17
      @recon17 ปีที่แล้ว +245

      3-0. The 4th ufo/uap was shotdown by an f-16.

    • @eeeeeek
      @eeeeeek ปีที่แล้ว +93

      @@recon17 so now f16 got stealth too??

    • @recon17
      @recon17 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      @@eeeeeekyou don't need stealth to shoot down a high altitude object, just the ability to fly really high.
      F-16 has a great t/w ratio.
      Btw, the object that the F-16 shot down was flying lower than the one that was shot by the F-22.

    • @tbmdd
      @tbmdd ปีที่แล้ว +83

      F-22 3-0 SU-57 0-0

    • @daxili9322
      @daxili9322 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      considered all the balloons cost ~$100 bucks/each, F-22's suffered huge lost

  • @constablemittens
    @constablemittens ปีที่แล้ว +2395

    Its a good thing your optical radar defeated the stealth on those power lines last second.

    • @leonardoXDSWL
      @leonardoXDSWL ปีที่แล้ว +26

      does the DCS take into account the six radars of the Su-57?

    • @maverickmissile801
      @maverickmissile801 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      @@leonardoXDSWL dawg what 💀

    • @williamphillips24
      @williamphillips24 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@maverickmissile801 I think he's referring to the side arrays. It allows them to turn away to a certain degree and still provide guidance to the missiles but as the range and power isn't as high as the main radar in the nose it's mostly for maintaining awareness.

    • @zachornsby285
      @zachornsby285 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Dude he’s talking about how he almost hit the power lines 😂 you guys are slow, OPTICAL RADAR = his eyes 👀 cuz he saw it at the last second

    • @maverickmissile801
      @maverickmissile801 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@zachornsby285 the main comment is... Yes we understand the joke and it's quite funny but we weren't talking about that.

  • @wipplewopple1876
    @wipplewopple1876 ปีที่แล้ว +1057

    Something you did well at hinting at throughout the video is that Stealth doesn't strictly mean undetectable, but rather very hard to achieve weapons-grade lock.

    • @sety5591
      @sety5591 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@nickhayley probably because accurate radar is short wave, but short wave is absorbed by stealth paint, while long wave is not as accurate, but is not absorbed by stealth paint.

    • @icaleinns6233
      @icaleinns6233 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      whoops, I should have read the comments before I put up my own. My comment exactly mirrors yours, only with a tick more techno speak. Nice one!

    • @PhilipTrouble
      @PhilipTrouble ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@nickhayleytheres a difference between seeing an enemy on radar and seeing it so crystal clear that you can precisely guide a missile onto it

    • @MrOtistetrax
      @MrOtistetrax ปีที่แล้ว

      People think Stealth means "invisible" but really it's a spectrum of Low Observability.

    • @zachary_smith1
      @zachary_smith1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea there’s some great videos out there talking about this. There not invis to early warning long range radar rather invis to a lot of missle locks.

  • @HM-yh6ys
    @HM-yh6ys ปีที่แล้ว +1602

    I never get tired of Felon vs Raptor 😄

    • @ogFIEND
      @ogFIEND ปีที่แล้ว +83

      Raptor vs. anything is an automatic click for me

    • @tlndblood8776
      @tlndblood8776 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Personally I prefer fourth gen but these are still an automatic click for me.

    • @user-tm5pn3ov9o
      @user-tm5pn3ov9o ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Imagine if they had a YF23 in DCS

    • @beanieteamie7435
      @beanieteamie7435 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      If only DCS was even a remotely accurate 5th gen sim.

    • @gamerboy7820
      @gamerboy7820 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It’s the opposite for me

  • @fanman71
    @fanman71 ปีที่แล้ว +1300

    Epic battle. It was crazy how off bore his missile essentially did a complete 180 & almost took you out.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  ปีที่แล้ว +269

      Ya the archer is a scary missile

    • @danielayers3054
      @danielayers3054 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I know right, I never really seen one do that before either.

    • @IcyBliels
      @IcyBliels ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Those Archers are straight out of Wanted

    • @bojned
      @bojned ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@danielayers3054 Israeli python missiles do that regularly.

    • @b2spirita
      @b2spirita ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bojned why are they launching so far off boresight regularly?

  • @marendur
    @marendur ปีที่แล้ว +44

    "Give up Felon, I have the high cloud!"

    • @bernardsoh3559
      @bernardsoh3559 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I heard that in the voice of Ewan McGregor

  • @dystopianlucidity4448
    @dystopianlucidity4448 ปีที่แล้ว +775

    GS my dude, if you need time for a break for health, your very real fan base will stand behind you and wait for a video, family and health come first my man!
    As an addendum, I admire the dedication you have put into providing us with outstanding videos.mad respect from Rob in Florida.

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Is he having health issues?

    • @dystopianlucidity4448
      @dystopianlucidity4448 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@braedynhoward3644 it sounds like he has a stuffy nose. Also his energy is a little off.

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@dystopianlucidity4448 Oh ok. Yeah I noticed. Your comment had me worried though XD

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  ปีที่แล้ว +378

      Love you guys, I took 4 days off so far getting over this cold and I love making these videos so I’m literally excited to be back doing it, maybe a little too early cuz it seems everyone can tell I was out with a cold 😆

    • @Endelin
      @Endelin ปีที่แล้ว +100

      @@GrowlingSidewinder The stealth on your cold totally failed. Get well soon!

  • @michaelpascual3581
    @michaelpascual3581 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    The howl of the Felon as he searched for you is so badass. Badass as always, GS.

    • @mattt525
      @mattt525 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thing sounds meannnn

  • @agera.rs7
    @agera.rs7 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Finally a very hard fight. The felon made the critical mistake of being toooooo slow, probably miscalculated, and you ended up just above him

    • @S1lverarrow
      @S1lverarrow ปีที่แล้ว +5

      skill

    • @MrTesteur
      @MrTesteur ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the frelon made the mistake of dropping shtlds of flares way too early as well

    • @Ripa-Moramee
      @Ripa-Moramee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@MrTesteurpre flaring is important

    • @lukeari9890
      @lukeari9890 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was banking on that missile hitting

  • @callsingadder
    @callsingadder ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The su-57 sound is just perfect

  • @syper51
    @syper51 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Your videos are so entertaining… thanks for being somebody i can watch when i feel like junk. You are a very underrated channel. Your the reason I’m in to DCS. Thanks man

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Very nice of you man, Thank you for watching, I appreciate your support. Much love.

    • @Umairy76470
      @Umairy76470 ปีที่แล้ว

      And very informative as well

    • @mysticboy3373
      @mysticboy3373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here. (Btw to every comment that says that at least the Su-57 shot down a fighter which the f-22 did not yet. Well, the US didn't deploy the f-22 on a fighter yet because there wasn't a target that was worth the F-22's presence. The F-22 will always be superior to the Su-57).

    • @plutoidrepublic2765
      @plutoidrepublic2765 ปีที่แล้ว

      if u need any comfort im here

  • @KZ-se4ik
    @KZ-se4ik ปีที่แล้ว +294

    We'll never know till actual combat occurs, but the consistency with which the SU57 seems to get a firing solution first in this and other engagements is surprising, and given what I've read, a little suspect.

    • @little_error295
      @little_error295 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      It has the longest range AA kill also it has enormous L band radars all along both of its wings so that helps 😂

    • @ltcuddles685
      @ltcuddles685 ปีที่แล้ว +130

      Extremely suspect even. It's their first generation of airborne AESA radar, while the F-22 is on a 4th generation AESA with lots of real world testing and the world's best microprocessing and programming available to improve it.
      Both modules are just mods though, so consistency on either is dubious at the very best.

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      This is dcs. They aren’t even real flight models they are mods. This is not anywhere close to how a real scenario would play out.

    • @nobleman-swerve
      @nobleman-swerve ปีที่แล้ว

      @@little_error295 Yeah coming from Russia which has claimed to have shot down more fixed-wing Ukrainian assets than the Ukrainians actually have I'm not too sure if I believe that. Especially considering the bloody thing is still hasn't been cleared for active service.

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot ปีที่แล้ว +81

      What has the longest air to air kill? Not the Su57. They are not and likely never will be front line fighters.
      FFS, there are all of 11 "production" aircraft. 21 total if you count prototypes. It's the T14 Armata of the sky.

  • @moonage_
    @moonage_ ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The SU-57's howl sounds incredible in DCS

  • @nathaniellazo5912
    @nathaniellazo5912 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    5:00 Nice cinematic of dodging the powerlines!!
    That was close.

  • @caimanaraujo479
    @caimanaraujo479 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Dude this was one of the best videos you made, so engaging and tense, with great editing, explanations, close calls, and something I will always love: BVR fight to Dogfight. Its just so cool to see how would it be possible for a dogfight to take place in a more realistic setting, instead of a duel. This is just badass.

  • @atreus7839
    @atreus7839 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Honestly one of the best modern style dogfights you’ve given us so far. great content. As usual. Those close calls were amazing.

  • @heyidiot
    @heyidiot ปีที่แล้ว +282

    5:00 Judging from that sonic boom, if they could look out their window and see an F-22 fly under those power lines, the window would already be broken.

    • @Mcree114
      @Mcree114 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      And the powerlines blown off the poles probably.

    • @bojned
      @bojned ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And they would have shattered glass in their face.

    • @covahredro8370
      @covahredro8370 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Mcree114 No those ones are too big and well sunk into the ground for that to happen. Would certainly make them vibrate though.

    • @covahredro8370
      @covahredro8370 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I doubt it, would have to be right underneath the flight path. I've had F16s blast over the place I used to live, it just made the windows(and every else)rattle pretty hard. Though I have heard people say they've had windows broken, but in those instances the jet blew straight down low right over their house.

    • @bojned
      @bojned ปีที่แล้ว

      @@covahredro8370 In your opinion, how low should he be flying if he is going under power lines already? 😂😂

  • @joshr.8010
    @joshr.8010 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    dogfights are cool but the bvr stuff is so fascinating to me

    • @ruehl3853
      @ruehl3853 ปีที่แล้ว

      By the end I was celebrating like my team had won World Cup. Personally id always stick to the ww2 stuff these Missles aren’t for me 😅

  • @F0X_two
    @F0X_two ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Oh well, you don’t sound too good… get well soon GS, and take a break if necessary! ❤ But still got to admire the dedication

    • @jaype331
      @jaype331 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I swear bro everyone in America just got sick. I've seen several TH-camrs all sound sick at the same time including me and my family and my friends

    • @ThunderChunky101
      @ThunderChunky101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's being locked indoors for so long.

  • @herbderbler1585
    @herbderbler1585 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    Looks like the Su-57 is a pretty solid peer to the F-22 in DCS. Victory will come down to the skills of and strategy of the pilot.

    • @NoahDVS
      @NoahDVS ปีที่แล้ว +97

      He said in the beginning that he reduced the stealth of the F-22 for this video though.

    • @niko7903
      @niko7903 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      ​@@NoahDVS Exactly, in previous engagements the Felon had noticeably more difficulty gaining a solid track. This was a bit more fun.

    • @ary2407
      @ary2407 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And the luck

    • @S1lverarrow
      @S1lverarrow ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@NoahDVS yes but in this simulator I dobt they programed the Su-57 with 5 radar as it is in reality, in reality Su-57 got 5 radars palced all over its body, increasing situation awareness, and allow it to guide misslie even when looking away. 3 S-brand radar and 2 L-brand radar with better stealth detection. Nobody know how that would work yet, so there is no way to program it in DCS.

    • @user-bw6jg4ej2m
      @user-bw6jg4ej2m ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@S1lverarrow yeah-yeah, _on paper_ they're the world's 2nd army...

  • @QuestoDomini
    @QuestoDomini ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The felon from what I read as reported have a targeting pod out in front of the canopy that ruins “stealth”, along with all this rivets and naked jet outlets. So not exactly stealth, but perhaps “stealthy”.

    • @ThunderChunky101
      @ThunderChunky101 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "Stealthish"?

    • @johnnyblack2652
      @johnnyblack2652 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ThunderChunky101 "stealth adjacent"

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 ปีที่แล้ว

      Common mistake to judge a Felon by the PAK-FA look.

    • @gaiofattos2
      @gaiofattos2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The IRST didn't help the EF2000 against the Raptor It's a short range sensor in a aircraft that will be showing in F-22 radar at +100 km.

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gaiofattos2 Simulation fights always come with serious restrictions and thus can't be counted on.

  • @schrodingerscat996
    @schrodingerscat996 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    You can think about stealth as a glass: while it's transparent for visible spectrum, it is still solid for infrared and ultraviolet wave lengths. And Su-35/57 and S-300/400 can emit other wave lengths - X-band and L-band. The range of EM wave frequencies object is invisible for is depended on the distance between molecules (look up diffraction formulas), so there is no way to make object stealthy for all the frequencies at the same time

    • @aleksalukovic4180
      @aleksalukovic4180 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you for the comment, very insightful, you made is very easy to understand!

  • @gfl7lion718
    @gfl7lion718 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just love the 5th gen fighter videos! They are always just so different and you never know what to expect

  • @codychild2665
    @codychild2665 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Sweet victory! You might -say you almost died 4 times with those power lines. A lifetime of almost is a lifetime of never. 👏

  • @mattfraynor
    @mattfraynor ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That’s the most exciting and entertaining dogfight/video I’ve seen on your channel. Great stuff!

  • @Matterian
    @Matterian ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Absolutely love this video. You got me on the duck under the wires!! I rocked in my chair!! LOL. MORE!!! MORE!!!

    • @Glow_RL
      @Glow_RL หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How did you get these emojis?

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      @@Glow_RL By clicking "Join" and becoming a channel member you get access to these emojis

  • @I_Show_Freedom69
    @I_Show_Freedom69 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Another good day since sidewinder uploaded

  • @itskaptainmikey4399
    @itskaptainmikey4399 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    This needs to be remade but with Lingshot flying the Felon, he’s much better at flying flanker type jets and I don’t think he would’ve made the same mistake.

    • @caimanaraujo479
      @caimanaraujo479 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There is already a video of them fighting bvr to dogfight, but the f-22 wasn't capped.

    • @NateTheGreat187
      @NateTheGreat187 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maverick already smoked two of them, so…

  • @tedf7843
    @tedf7843 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    SU-57 sounds like a tie fighter sound effect from Star Wars

  • @Eduzumaki
    @Eduzumaki ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best videos i've seen since a long time. Thank you so much for the great quality content.
    Been here since 2020 and never seen such a good fight as this one.

  • @Zgaming8557
    @Zgaming8557 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I strongly suspect Russia's ability to break F-22 stealth is overstated, and I strongly suspect the Su-57 isn't as good as we think it is.

    • @frostedhams
      @frostedhams 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just like with the mig 25

    • @ohger1
      @ohger1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      One thing we know as fact is that Russia always exaggerates their capability and the U.S. downplays theirs.

  • @lordisback1947
    @lordisback1947 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The fun thing about su57 is that it has 3 radars which is n036 x band one on nose and two on sides and 2 transceivers n036 L band on wing leading edge flaps. Now, the radars help it lock on Target or guide on target even while defending itself and the transceivers help it use friend and foe system and electronic warfare. So, i believe DCS su57 is not at all close to the real one and it could be something different and will surprise in future

    • @NationChosenByGod
      @NationChosenByGod ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The same for the F-22 as well.

    • @s87343jim
      @s87343jim ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, both of them are mods made by the community members

    • @BOXabaca
      @BOXabaca ปีที่แล้ว +11

      DCS doesn't go so far as to simulate real RF, so everything the radar/ECM/etc do are contrivances for sim purposes, and often balanced a bit (nerfed) for fair gameplay.

    • @TOx1CC
      @TOx1CC ปีที่แล้ว +3

      actually 4 radars, N036 x1, N036B x2 (both cheeks), N036Kh x1 (in the tail section, rear facing)

    • @dennisa7784
      @dennisa7784 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It's so stealthy too that it's never been seen in combat at all

  • @thebushwook1e
    @thebushwook1e ปีที่แล้ว +20

    hey man those SU-57 RCS wood screws really do help with stealth

    • @nemanja162
      @nemanja162 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Today on shit that never happened 😂

    • @comareborn8734
      @comareborn8734 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      T-50 prototype. Production Su-57s don't have those...

  • @darrellseike3185
    @darrellseike3185 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome dogfight! That Archer flying by your plane was crazy! You could hear it!

  • @williammartin9254
    @williammartin9254 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty intense vid. Loved the fact it went from bvr and ended up in the merge. The ferocity of the tone when it came to the merge definitely makes this my top favorite vid of yours.

  • @omgmyspleen3582
    @omgmyspleen3582 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Fantastic fight by both parties. Had me at the edge of my seat just watching. Can’t imagine how it must’ve been for you both!
    Also, rest up man. Hope you feel better soon.

  • @Plymouth-Interlocking
    @Plymouth-Interlocking ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was an epic battle!
    I love that it went to the merge naturally!

  • @jchrystsheigh
    @jchrystsheigh ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Incredible fight! So many times that it could have ended fatally for both of you until you finally caught him in that low-energy state and got the kill.

  • @eagle19551
    @eagle19551 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a very entertaining , exciting , and suspenseful video. Clearly one of the best I’ve watched . I was in the edge of my seat . Nice job

  • @franknitti6328
    @franknitti6328 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Interesting fight, I could not imagine the felon could get so close but I think that, if tracking, an R37 missile might be even more dangerous and get closer if compared with the r77 as showed in the video f22 vs mig 31.

    • @phunkracy
      @phunkracy ปีที่แล้ว

      In a target heavy environment aka WW3 the ranges suddenly decrease.

  • @gotspeed_
    @gotspeed_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent flying, you make it look so good. Great video and commentary. Keep up the awesome videos.

  • @captainicelander3898
    @captainicelander3898 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best heavy weight fights i've seen in DCS! Holy Moly!! Great work GS

  • @WoodliceCC
    @WoodliceCC ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love these mixed fights, of long range engagement leading to a merged dogfight. Obvs, you can't control if you kill each other at long range or not, but just saying I like your videos that are a bit different from the pure, close range dogfights (but I do love those as well). Also, just to say I've only recently discovered your channel but you've given me hours of entertainment already. THANK YOU!!!!!

  • @itsdokko2990
    @itsdokko2990 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    oh man, i didn't know the SU-57 has intake noises like the Avro Vulcan used to have, that howling sure is great pyschological warfare.
    and that fight had me on the edge!

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Psychological warfare!? they have one that’s operational and it’s capability has been widely over exaggerated.

    • @b2spirita
      @b2spirita ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@reboundrides8132 he's just talking about the sound, calm yourself.

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@b2spirita yeah I’m bouncing off the walls over here. This comment is equivalent to the Russian army shouting “ura” in their parade.

    • @b2spirita
      @b2spirita ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@reboundrides8132 sounds concerning.

    • @recon17
      @recon17 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@reboundrides8132 now that is over exaggerated.

  • @jamesgivens9997
    @jamesgivens9997 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Considering the Radar cross section of a SU57 is the size of a big truck tire and the radar cross section of a F22 is the size of a marble, I would say that the stealth capability of the f22 is quite impressive and accomplishment in itself

    • @user-gx3nf8xg7q
      @user-gx3nf8xg7q 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      How do you know the radar cross section of the su 57? Your friends from the CIA? Have you read in the media? Man caricature...

    • @AZORult
      @AZORult 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      ​@@user-gx3nf8xg7qsukhoi leaked documents. Quiet, kid. I know it's hard when nobody loves and supports you 💔

    • @user-hn2oz1cv6f
      @user-hn2oz1cv6f 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@user-gx3nf8xg7q You don't have to be an expert to know the RCS of an F-22 or a Su-57. The main problem is the huge radar ahead of the F-22 or Su-57. This radar reflects the radio signal better than anything in the world because it is designed to receive the signal. So the RCS of these fighters cannot be lower than the diameter of these radars, so it is definitely higher than 0.1, because 0.1 is the diameter of a Tomahawk cruise missile in flight, and the width of the radar is higher than a Tomahawk missile. This is not to mention other signal receivers, which are stuffed with fifth-generation fighters.
      It is simply impossible to hide this radar anywhere, all developments to reduce the visibility of onboard radars do not give significant results.
      It is important to realize that such fighters as the F22 and Su-57 achieve maximum effectiveness at high altitude and high speed. In such conditions, their missiles fly significantly farther. And if you know the principle of operation of pulse Doppler radars, you should realize that in such conditions their visibility increases many times. Because of the Doppler effect.)
      That's why there's no radar on F117 or B2.
      Stealth on fighters is as much marketing as super maneuverability.

    • @Greasy__Bear
      @Greasy__Bear 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No body really knows how stealthy the su57. all we know is its probably less than the raptor and more than an su35 with radar absorbent paint.
      I think it would be foolish to underestimate the su57, especially with the crazy radar they have in the thing.

    • @xnosniper3874
      @xnosniper3874 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Greasy__Bearthe f-22 is classed as a stealth aircraft while the su-57 is class as low visibility, it isn't even worth comparing these aircraft

  • @zachschaeffer4079
    @zachschaeffer4079 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite video you have made so far. My brothers and I were watching it on our TV and we were totally intrigued by your amazing skills. Thank you!

  • @deanlawson6880
    @deanlawson6880 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow GS!! That was an amazing engagement! Congrats on that win. Hard fought. You definitely earned that one!
    That was amazing to watch!! Thanks for this!!

  • @csjrogerson2377
    @csjrogerson2377 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Stealth is a relative term which depends on the relative capability of RCS reduction on one side versus increasing power and sensitivity of the radar and its tracking capability on the other. Just depends on which makes the most advances over the other. Then dont forget DCS is just guessing.

    • @BMP2U
      @BMP2U 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Neeerrddd

  • @HabitualButtonPusher
    @HabitualButtonPusher ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They need to find a way to incorporate the SU57 IRST sensor and IRST sensors on all the jets that have them

  • @murph3194
    @murph3194 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love all of these videos but some more than others. This was def one of them. Well done. Always love the F22 and A10 vids but for some reason I think the WWII vids are my fav. Idk why I just love em.

  • @dillpickle7844
    @dillpickle7844 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You dipping under those line was ballsy, I love it

  • @jaidenheger6190
    @jaidenheger6190 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    by the looks of it the felon is more of an energy fighter after making the mistake of being far too slow...like you said its quite the large plane...

    • @zebimicio5204
      @zebimicio5204 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The felon isnt really any larger than the f22. If we took the tail tip off, its literally the same length of a raptor
      By total dimension, the f22 is the lsrgest 5th gen stealth fighter aircraft (its heavier and is thicker than both su57 and j20)

    • @jaidenheger6190
      @jaidenheger6190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zebimicio5204 thanks for the info...im unsure of jets passed gen 3-4

  • @ronniebauman28
    @ronniebauman28 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Excited to hear Ryan(Max Afterburner) break this one down with his knowledge and experience.
    What a battle.

    • @narcissus79
      @narcissus79 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he probably won't talk too much about the BVR stuff.. most of those tactics are Secret Squirrel 🤫

    • @myronplatte8354
      @myronplatte8354 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hear ye!

    • @ronniebauman28
      @ronniebauman28 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@narcissus79 more like flying squirrel. 😉
      I'm sorry. I'll see myself out. Lol

  • @danielayers3054
    @danielayers3054 ปีที่แล้ว

    GS that was an awesome showcase and flying underneath those power lines...you are ready for Top Gun, really nice set of skills you have young man.

  • @FenrisSulfr
    @FenrisSulfr ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn dude that was an awesome fight!! keep it up!! hopefully in the future some more CAS A-10 vids^^

  • @MattWaller04
    @MattWaller04 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was an EXCELLENT battle! Man, really feel like the only reason you won here was luck. Sometimes that’s all you need!

  • @ELITEeliteelite
    @ELITEeliteelite ปีที่แล้ว +3

    crazy see a jet fly under power lines.llove your vids GS

  • @boogermcphee2847
    @boogermcphee2847 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was the most intense engagement yet. Great video!

  • @Clouds_2914
    @Clouds_2914 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the coolest battles on here. I absolutely loved this one.

  • @WarriorKidd06
    @WarriorKidd06 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These two planes have been described as two leaves falling in the wind when they face off and it’s so true. Great video

  • @qirx5904
    @qirx5904 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video as always but can you do a Eurofighter vs F-22 BVR engagement I would love to see that

  • @SeaWasp
    @SeaWasp ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That archer had your number man! That was a tense fight! Way to go 👍

  • @chrisvaughan2462
    @chrisvaughan2462 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how much of a tactical play takes place during the fight, you’re expecting it’s going to be like Top Gun, but it was like the chess game and ending was epic, both fighters are so good that only a mistake decided the fate of the match! Very good video!

  • @hritamnath4919
    @hritamnath4919 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Felon has L band arrays on the leading edges of the wings for detecting stealthy objects. Though not suitable for guiding a missile, they can at least give a general direction and position of a stealth aircraft. Dunno whether it has been implemented in DCS

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 ปีที่แล้ว

      It has side arrays and IRST as well

    • @hritamnath4919
      @hritamnath4919 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@victorzvyagintsev1325 side arrays are X band like the main radar! For stealthy targets, IRST and L band arrays will be useful

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hritamnath4919 Yes, but at dogfight ranges, x-band will see stealth just fine. Having side arrays means you can hold a lock at a much greater arc. Couple that with what you mentioned and an F-22 is is some serious trouble in a dogfight.

  • @darwinism8181
    @darwinism8181 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Being able to see stealth aircraft is incredibly old news - seeing and locking are two wholly different things.
    Of course if you can see it at all you can vector your own aircraft to intercept, and that's honestly the biggest advantage of tracking without a lock. Stealth still has a huge advantage, but the days where people weren't even sure where a stealth attack would come from are long over.

    • @pauldorfman701
      @pauldorfman701 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They aren't long over at all and assuming the Russian planes can see our isn't a given either. Red flag the pilots who went up against the raptor said they didn't know it was there until they were hit recently.

  • @TheDrflay3
    @TheDrflay3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love all your videos, but this may be the best one yet.

  • @nightt4ng077
    @nightt4ng077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just think its insane how at 5:06 you couldnt hear the f-22 until it was past the pov guy. Amazing stealth fighter.

  • @vaclavkolar6750
    @vaclavkolar6750 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The system russians could use is probably something like Czechoslovakian Tamara radar from 1986. Instead of radiating waves and picking reflected ones, tamara radiates all directions waves that reflect from ionosphere and picks all of them. So instead of picking reflected waves, tamara shows target location where there are no waves accepted back, therefore it doesnt really matter if youre stealth or not, Tamara picks you anyway

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's a wavelength thing. Lower wavelengths can actually see stealthy aircraft, but targeting radars are higher freq and effectively blind.
      Though this info comes from Russian evaluation of the F-117.

    • @fshn4x4
      @fshn4x4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Irrelevant to missile lock * shrug *

    • @sombraarthur
      @sombraarthur ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@fshn4x4 it is not. FIrst firing solutions use lower wavelengths. You can do a dual firing solution missile (it is going to cost more, but can be done) where you can combine lower wavelengths to detect with a IR solution to switch to when close to the target.
      Dual tracking heads are nothing out of the orinary.

    • @akborealisdevstringerdesig3845
      @akborealisdevstringerdesig3845 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That makes no sense. Maybe the reason why russia hasnt won a dogfight since ww1.

    • @baronnuuke7821
      @baronnuuke7821 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Actually the stinger use a similar technology. While its main way of seeking it's target is IR, it also cross calculate a profile with negative UV (aka : this point doesn't give me sunlight back). I wouldn't be surprised if you could shoot down a F22 with a Stinger

  • @2KOOLURATOOLGaming
    @2KOOLURATOOLGaming ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What you said about driving missiles into the ground, I always assumed that radar guided missiles after the 1970s would be smart enough that they detect the ground and simply skim along the ground until the get closer rather than continuing to lose altitude because they would know that the target isn't going to suicide into the ground.
    Anybody know anything about this?

    • @phunkracy
      @phunkracy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If the missile dives to the ground it means it doesn't have a target lock. So while it could skim along the ground, it wouldn't know in which direction to skin, making the whole exercise fairly pointless and even dangerous for friendly targets - because the direction where it skims until target lock could be the direction of friendly forces.

    • @2KOOLURATOOLGaming
      @2KOOLURATOOLGaming ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phunkracy Surely more modern missiles don't have this weakness. It's not too hard to program a processor that goes: "ok, I'm heading towards the ground right now, let's not. I'll just fly horizontally towards the aircraft I am targeting and when I get closer then I will prioritise heading directly at it".
      It's not going to just decide to turn it's heading 100°. You are more or less mapping its 3D route onto a top down 2D one and it ignores the targets altitude change if it is decreasing beyond a certain rate. If there are friendlies in the direction of the target then that is the pilots decision, nothing to do with the missile.

  • @darienstinson9023
    @darienstinson9023 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This DF was fun the F-22 maneuverability is no joke that powerline dip had me laughing I didn't even see it at first 😂

  • @bigbenski
    @bigbenski ปีที่แล้ว

    On a normal day I would have literally no point in watching your videos but you make them so interesting I've been watching them for a while now :) keep it up!

  • @thenegociater3387
    @thenegociater3387 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would be cool to see a b21 raider BVR engagement with the AIM 260's against j20's

    • @dizzyizzie6354
      @dizzyizzie6354 ปีที่แล้ว

      Make the mod(s) lol

    • @jayvee8502
      @jayvee8502 ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks like he is not using the AIM 120Ds

  • @scottandrews8291
    @scottandrews8291 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I feel like numbers would have something to play here too. Russia only has like what, 5 Felons right now? The US has something like 180 active Raptors. I doubt it would get to the point where it's one Felon vs one Raptor. Love these fights though. It would be interesting to see if 1 Felon stands a chance against multiple F22s

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just looked and 21 Felons including 10 prototypes.
      And not at all in active service. I doubt they ever will be, despite Russian claims otherwise. A few of their "new weapons" are like this. T-14 is still just a parade tank and the AK12 does get deployed, but with no optics which was the whole point of adopting that POS.

    • @FantastiXPvZ
      @FantastiXPvZ ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@immikeurnot It's one thing to build it, but something noone does better in the world than the US, is proper supply logistics, maintenance crews and maintenance service contracts.

    • @sombraarthur
      @sombraarthur ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FantastiXPvZ not anymore, when you are all supplie by China, who INDEED has the best logistics.

    • @FantastiXPvZ
      @FantastiXPvZ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Morfeu You obviously have no clue what Military Supply Logistics are, so please, Quiet boy.

    • @zer0nool442
      @zer0nool442 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The situation of a direct clash between two fighters in the middle of nothing is impossible in principle in the modern world. Russian military doctrine considers aircraft primarily to be a means of reconnaissance, support and missile deployment. Air defense should be used to confront other aircraft in direct combat. Russian military doctrine also assumes that the interaction of the armed forces is more significant than their individual superiority. This difference arises from the fact that the Russian military doctrine was built and is being built for military operations near or inside its borders, and therefore simply does not imply independent military actions of any of the branches of the armed forces, while the American doctrine is built with the idea of fighting far from its own territory, where the main means will be precisely aviation, while the navy will act as a maximum means of basing it, and the army as a means of retaining the already occupied territory.

  • @michaelwicker9538
    @michaelwicker9538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This one would be a great candidate for that post flight analysis with the 3d replays GS puts up sometimes.

  • @GriffinGrabow
    @GriffinGrabow ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best videos on the channel! Great dog fight

  • @jimmcneal5292
    @jimmcneal5292 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You probably wanted to show a close range fight, but if you wanted to get as much advantage as possible, you shouldn't have launched 2 missiles at once at the end.

  • @anggisuwandi2404
    @anggisuwandi2404 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Felon actually really did a great job on stealth tech that protected Raptor, Felon even so stealthy that nobody ever seeing it on action nor production, EVER

    • @pappyman179
      @pappyman179 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Source?

    • @Veloso1000
      @Veloso1000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@pappyman179it’s a joke, since they never use it

  • @dtar380
    @dtar380 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10 minutes of fight, thats impresive, and both had to use all their missiles even Sidewinders

  • @FEAR_Actual
    @FEAR_Actual ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd love to see the Tacview on this fight, absolutely insane to watch.

  • @arseniynaumov135
    @arseniynaumov135 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You see, Felon is very close in his abilities.
    I demand 5 rounds of such a incredible show!

    • @boostedbadboyzx12r31
      @boostedbadboyzx12r31 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lol it's not close, he handicapped the F-22 to make it close. What do you want, him to take a engine and wing off next?

    • @mauswaffe
      @mauswaffe ปีที่แล้ว

      @@boostedbadboyzx12r31 Not just that, the Su-57s performace was based on russian sources. In those the plane is far ahead compared to what intelligence reports and leaked development documents suggest.

  • @michal._.s
    @michal._.s ปีที่แล้ว +3

    still waiting for f22 vs UFO's..

    • @sys3248
      @sys3248 ปีที่แล้ว

      NWS rawisonde balloon you mean.

    • @shades2.183
      @shades2.183 ปีที่แล้ว

      Felon is an NFO

  • @MPD1337
    @MPD1337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1 of your best vids my man, I was on the edge of the seat the whole time :)

  • @takaharatanaka8818
    @takaharatanaka8818 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fun video.
    You keep making great content for us, thanks for putting in all this hard work GS.

  • @DynoosHD
    @DynoosHD ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could an anti radiation missle work against aircraft radar?

    • @SonOfAB_tch2ndClass
      @SonOfAB_tch2ndClass ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Happened to a B-52 in desert storm it got called in Harms Way. The problem is that Raptor’s AESA Radar change their frequency 1000 times per second so tracking its Radar is not possible

    • @bowestbrook6527
      @bowestbrook6527 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      not necessarily. possibly something like a helicopter or balloon, but they aren't designed to lead a target if i'm not mistaken.

  • @THEone_spaceguy
    @THEone_spaceguy ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Why don’t you use the F-35 in BVR? I’m sure it would do really good

    • @nemo317
      @nemo317 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The F22 is the better plane in A/A Combat, better Thrust/Weight ratio, more internal weapons, lower radar cross section and the updated apg77v1 is pretty similar to the F35 apg81 radar.

    • @somezsaltz6835
      @somezsaltz6835 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nemo317 he said bvr....

    • @colinmarshall6634
      @colinmarshall6634 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@somezsaltz6835 This was BVR until he had to merge. F-35 simply isn't designed for that. It's a multi-role platform and merging isn't one of its roles.

    • @JayzsMr
      @JayzsMr ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@colinmarshall6634 for what is the f35 actually designed? Seems like a jack of all trades , master of none

    • @MikePasqqsaPekiM
      @MikePasqqsaPekiM ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s built to make every allied aircraft in the sky aware of the whole battlefield in real-time, and to even help guide missiles from other aircraft to their target. One F-35 is good, I bet 4+ would be very tough to defeat.

  • @evicol2117
    @evicol2117 ปีที่แล้ว

    That "One of us is going to die" is so metal and I'm all for it. The second half of this video goes very hard.

  • @Bikes-guitars
    @Bikes-guitars หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the mid air collision solution at the end

  • @teddyoregeno1765
    @teddyoregeno1765 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is it only 360 for everyone?

  • @cameronreed1411
    @cameronreed1411 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The F-22 is an insane aircraft accomplishment if you consider that despite being introduced in 2005, it's still stealthier than our biggest competitor the Su-57 more almost 20 years later.

  • @AP-te6mk
    @AP-te6mk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching on my laptop I would've 100% hit the power lines. I didn't even see them until you pointed it out lol.

  • @j.59
    @j.59 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Two of the best going at it. I could watch that all day.

  • @XTXImperator
    @XTXImperator ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The SU-57 should be able to detect the F-22 in BVR with it's 2 L-band AESA radars installed in the wingroots. On their own, they wouldn't be able to give the Felon a firing solution but it would give the rest of the sensors a rough vector to scan a specific part of the sky and possibly get a firing solution that way with it's other 3 AESA radars (X-band) and/or IRST.

  • @Durzo1259
    @Durzo1259 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The SU-57 is highly stealthy when its nose is pointed at you, not so much when it turns away.

    • @Specter690655
      @Specter690655 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      F-22 also

    • @phunkracy
      @phunkracy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's the philosophy. It either dukes it out with the enemy at long range where stealth matters, or when it close quarters it sacrifices stealth for flight performance.

    • @fgk765jkh
      @fgk765jkh ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the same same for any stealth aircraft moron. Lol 😆

    • @Durzo1259
      @Durzo1259 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@fgk765jkh Maximum stealth happens when the nose is pointed at you for any aircraft; that doesn't mean all stealth fighters have shit stealth from all other angles (as the SU-57 does), it just means they don't have maximum stealth.
      Nice display of the most common character trait of the Dunner-Kruger effect: idiots always call everyone else idiots the instant they disagree.

    • @bigboi5962
      @bigboi5962 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Su-57 has a minimum RCS larger than a super hornet, calling it stealthy is a joke

  • @slowlylosingmysanity9726
    @slowlylosingmysanity9726 ปีที่แล้ว

    this one had me at the edge of my seat, god damn those close calls are insane

  • @EJoey2006
    @EJoey2006 ปีที่แล้ว

    Epic battle. Great vid. Thx for the great Content GS

  • @Joseph-Colin-EXP
    @Joseph-Colin-EXP ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GS is sick. Bro as a dad, hot shower, then meds, then sleep. and enjoy. :)

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You got it right on the money, got it curtesy of the wife. Slowly getting better.

  • @nathangarza2276
    @nathangarza2276 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Anything that involves the F-22 fighting anything the Raptor always comes out on top

  • @KyleODonnell5645
    @KyleODonnell5645 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was legitimately stressful. Well done

  • @prohero22
    @prohero22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video had me glued to the toilet. So exciting.