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You brainwashed me. I literally hopped on Facebook marketplace 1 minute into this video and now I'm getting an MPC One + tomorrow... Hahahaa. Definitely beats Reverbs fees.
Something being slept on about the new Roland machines is the ability to run power, midi and audio through 1 USB cable. You can stem out all channels on the tr8s/6s. The sh4d is a powerful 4 part synth 1 part drum machine and can also utilize 1 usb cable for everything.
I got my mc 101 on mtl marketplace for 400$ and i think it's about the best value i got for a piece of gear. I get that the workflow is not to everyone's taste, but man it's a capable machine! Just as a sound module it's a bang for the buck, but it has slowly become my go-to for dawkess composition. Sampler-wise, i'm exploring the sp workflow, with an og sp404 i got for 200$, and i'm always finding new ways to use it, even with the bands i play with. Both are battery operated and have a pretty long battery life, even with rechargable ones. I don't usually like to plug things together but i'm thinking about using both together for dawless sets, we'll see how it goes Great job on your vids man!
Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but I’ve gotten some very square deals at reverb and the times I’ve needed to return things It has gone very smoothly so reverb is definitely worth keeping on your radar in my opinion.
I wrote a long reply to this video detailing all my experience with Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, Mercari, Reverb, eBay and Guitar Center, with tips for each, and bloody YT has sent it into the void. But yes, wanted to say Reverb is great, customer service is the best in the business, best selection of gear, and they do NOT add buyer fees; don't know where Liam gets that nonsense from (OTOH Mercari - which is infested with scam sellers - does).
@@LiamKillen ah, sure, depending what state you're in, but that's not a Reverb fee. If you buy from GC used, eBay, or even FB marketplace if the item is shipped, you will be charged that.
Always great content ... thanks again for your insightful comments and suggestions .. along with a full measure of transparency .. " music is to the soul - what words are to the mind" ...
Love love love the play. Its my favorite piece of gear. At the moment there are some ROUGH bugs but those look like they're going to be addressed by the end of the year. 🤞
I will never get rid of my TR-8. I sequence it externally for downtempo music, mixing and matching sounds from different kits. The 606 and 707 expansions are 100% worth having.
The Elektron cycles used is a fair deal with many features for the money but you have to put time with tutorials. It’s also a small form factor. I like the OG Novation circuit, Roland system 1 plug out, Behringer TD 3 MO, Roland SH-32 and for drums I like the old Roland DR-880.
A Push 2 goes for 300,- where I live. Not only is that cheaper than your APC-40 MKII, it also doesn't really get better than this when in comes to Ableton integration. Also, where I live the top of the bill MPC X goes for as low as 800,-. Which insane for what is basically the most complete standalone music production studio on the market.
Push 2 is great and maybe you’re right ! But based on performers I’ve spoken to even the three seems a bit clunky to them - it’s all subjective though in the end
@@LiamKillen I can see that for performing, the APC-40 MKII might be the more compact device with controls that you can slamdunk more on, also faders are a plus then. For production though, it's a different story. The screen of the Push comes into its own then and allows for a far more hybrid experience.
Reverb only charges selling fees to the seller, not the buyer. Sales tax is gathered from the buyer and remitted to the state by Reverb on behalf of the seller, but there is no additional “fee” charged to the buyer.
@@LiamKillen Sorry if this is a double post -- I think my original reply may have gotten taken down since I put a link in it. Sales tax is a tax mandated by the state where the buyer resides (at least in the US). Buying local does not make the buyer/seller immune to having to pay that tax. You are actually breaking the state's tax laws by not remitting sales tax on that transaction. It's just highly unlikely you will be charged with tax evasion for a handshake cash deal made in an Arby's parking lot. Reverb is required, by law, to collect and remit sales tax, since it is a marketplace. It is not a fee that benefits Reverb in any way -- they are just the intermediary between the seller at the state. I believe the reason Facebook, Craigslist, etc. don't have the same requirement is because they don't process payments. Reverb has some decent articles explaining why sales tax is being collected. I do understand your point that it does cost you more buying on Reverb. I just don't think its fair to say that they are charging both the buyer and seller a fee for a transaction, when they aren't. Reverb charges a fee that is taken out of the seller's earnings. They collect sales tax from the buyer, just like any other store would, but they don't pocket any of that money. (I mean, I guess they could be, but they will be shut down as soon as the state government realizes it.)
Right but wrong. Reverb charges seller fees, and sellers mark up their Reverb listings to account for it. This is easy to see by checking anything listed by a given seller both on and off of Reverb. As a result, Reverb absolutely charges buyer fees, just not directly.
@@jg_ultra Sure, some sellers may do that, but by no means all of them do (source: me). Whether or not a seller chooses to pass on their fee to the potential buyer is 100% on that seller. There is no "buyer" fee mandated by Reverb, so it is unfair and incorrect to say that Reverb charges both the buyer and the seller a fee. Since all my other replies to Liam are getting removed, I assume this one will, too. I don't care if people buy gear or Reverb, Facebook, Craigslist, their local pawn shop, etc. I just think that things should be presented fair and correct.
New term to start using regularly - my "gear sphere". Love it. I support all of these suggestions, especially the original Digitakt. I had no desire to upgrade to the new version, as I'm convinced that I'd be less productive and the limitations of the original (although it's plenty flexible as-is) force me to be creative. The original TR-8 can also be found for crazy cheap. and the Microfreak is an awesome synth, especially after the upgrades!
Some of the best gear deals I’ve ever snagged were from Reverb (crazy price drops on Korg Opsix, ARP 2600M, etc). So, I’d recommend anyone to keep an eye on Reverb listings and compare prices.
Hi Liam, I think the SP404mk2 is an absolute bargain second hand too. It is an incredibly versatile machine especially if it's sequenced via external midi...
For the engineer around here, used Symitrix stuff are a steal. They are really low key, but they are great. Sound great and are build like a tank. They are more into the media market (radio/TV that sort of thing) so they are not hyped. The ART VLA2 compressor is also a steal.
@@LiamKillen older gear, I've had mine for 7 years now (first groovebox) but still super unique in it's capabilities. Stopped using mine after about a year as "a brain", but have returned to it recently as a sketchpad to sample into my SP404. Now that I understand its synth architecture, nothing on the market really competes with it. I see it more as a 16 timbre module with sequencing capabilities than a groovebox.
@@pariskons5421 Similar machines on paper but very different outcomes depending on what kind of music you make, so better is for sure subjective. The ES2 has a less detailed sequencer in many ways, yet provides utilities like scale and chord functions as well as a full on built in polysynth. There aren't really presets per se, but they do have preprogrammed patterns with sounds you can use. I've regained interest in it mostly because I understand synthesis a lot better than when I first bought it (thanks @liam killen), and now I'm realizing how intuitive it is designing sounds from scratch. Very mediocre sampling capabilities so not too much comparison there vs the digitakt, but they both mangle pretty good.
I agree that the APC 40 Mk2 and Mk1 are the best for live performance . Even a must for me. I was debating whether Digitakt 2 or 1 same with Poleyend play and plus . So thank you. Still want the Tr8s and the 707 though.
I get the tr8s for 350.- and the mpc live mk1 for 380.- and the uno synth pro x for 290.- (with guarantee).. the akai force with all plugins and 1tb ssd for 700.- 👌🏻 the allen and heath px5 costs me 800.- just great deals out there! 💥
Rytm mkI all day (8-12 tracks, individual outs, analog kick, analog bass, analog mono synth, samples, analog compressor and distortion elektron sequencer with slides note repeat etc performance modes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 600eu here in perfect shape and condition !!!
I don’t think you can do much better than some of the Korg Volca range. Volca FM was one of my first bits of gear, and it still plays many parts in my live set
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this. Appreciated! I'm getting out of the dawless scene and been trying to sell my gear locally for one week but I need to lower the prices since I've only sold three items so far (a couple of Refaces, Crave). I think it's because of how narrow the niche of synth gear is. Digitone Keys is a hard sell but perhaps I will try to sell it along with my original Digitakt as a package with a lowered price. Then there is Deluge I want to get rid of and a bunch of drum machines, monosynths, mixers etc. I'm not in Facebook but I wonder if I need to make an account. Let's see. I am considering Reverb as well.
I think for controlling Ableton you could go with the NEW MOVE, and a Faderdox PC12 - you have a versitile setup, and not just a laptop midi controller, the other option would be 2 x A&H Xone K2s (or 3 ... or 5)
Yeah pc-12 is also great for bigger set ups and even Ableton. I’d still argue that for an all in one unit the apc 40 is really just perfect for Ableton
I make the distinction between remote for ableton and good midi controller. good remote: push 3; move (maybe); launchkey mk4; apc 64, sl mk3. good midi controllers: launchcontrol xl; intech studio controllers; faderfox controllers. not the same usage. You want the first kind for your composition/sketching session, the second one for your performances. (also knobs for performances; encoders for remote)
you have such an, uhh... "uncluttered and minimal" synth zone. my studio looks like some totally radical groove spirits from a digi-techno wizards tubular brain matrix exploded in the 4D omni-control station of a ultra neon space-disco megacraft... 😵💫🤙🆗🆒
I have a Digitakt I don't use because of the workflow... should probably get my data off it and sell it. But the Microfreak is really appealing. I don't need its sound engine, but that touch surface would be amazing as a midi controller for a lot of stuff I do.
Forgot to mention. I have been enjoying your videos with different artists and their approach to live DAWless.I spent a lot of money on the Fantom 7 Ex . It’s amazing but I didn’t pay that much for VSTs on Roland cloud . It burns me up that even the 299 pocket T8 and everything else now has modern sequencing. They could have done an os update easily because it’s already been written for zencore right? I should probably sell it. Wdyt ?
lol I’ve gotten a number of great deals from reverb. What I do is just not buy the stuff that isn’t a deal. Got my OG digitone for $400 4 years before digitone mk2 was released from reverb. About the same for my Deepmind 12.
The anger of the polyend play + release was because they cut the price of the original model. This meant any units recently purchased got devalued significantly overnight. You could send your old model in for a paid upgrade which I thought was pretty cool, but people were really mad.
@@LiamKillen I get that, but these boxes of this format (Edge, Crave, Grind), have an extra aggressive and raw sound that is exactly what I want. Even if you listen to them next to their Moog equivalents, they sound so much better, to me. So, I had to say F it and buy them. Already had the Edge.
@@user82938 I mean yes it has accent and slide but the 303 is unique in the way they affect the sound and how they interact. I own three 303 clones and a Crave.
the launch control is a fantastic performance controller. not a great remote. I also think if you need a remote controller by today's standard you don't want faders (non-motorized at least); because that's useless as they lose their position; you want encoders; and you want at least a small screen; preferably a strip along your encoders. so the apc-40 is not super useful in this regard. My hot take is; besides; the push 2/3; or maybe the apc64, the best controller for ableton is the new launchkey control mk4 (preferably the smallest since the keyboard is not the object here). add a small launchpad if you want more pads. the new move is also a contender but too expensive as just a controller. there's also the sl mk3 but it's inside a big keyboard. we're definitely missing a good ableton controller with deep integration; in a small package and without a keyboard.
you can get the APC64 for $300 new now, too. I like the pads on it a LOT. Currently there's a weird bug in the most-recent firmware that when you power it on, Note/Chord is set to Octave +8. You can also use the APC64 as it is, and set up the Custom Mode as its own controller using... I think it's MIDI 2 but might be 3, I forget. Akai hasn't done many updates since releasing it nearly a year ago.
@@Emily_M81 Yeah I got the APC644 off of ebay for 200. I am new to ableton I figured if i were to make the jump from fl studio that i would need some type of controller to do it but i have actually found a bit of utility in its stand alone mode and actually have barely event been using it with ableton. however the price drop is a good thing I dont think anyone would have been happy with it at 400. 300 makes much more sense and i think even if your not big on Ableton like me its worth it at 200 maybe 250 if your looking for something new. as a stand alone its fun burt i have laundry list of issues that i plan on sending to Akai but i got organize them all
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I like how you said “gear user” instead of musician. I feel included now.
Noted- haha
Musicians are so boring 😂
He said "moderate gear user"
You brainwashed me. I literally hopped on Facebook marketplace 1 minute into this video and now I'm getting an MPC One + tomorrow... Hahahaa. Definitely beats Reverbs fees.
Absolutely- lol! Awesome
Something being slept on about the new Roland machines is the ability to run power, midi and audio through 1 USB cable. You can stem out all channels on the tr8s/6s. The sh4d is a powerful 4 part synth 1 part drum machine and can also utilize 1 usb cable for everything.
It’s magical
@@LiamKillenbut does anyone else get that USB hum tone?
I got my mc 101 on mtl marketplace for 400$ and i think it's about the best value i got for a piece of gear. I get that the workflow is not to everyone's taste, but man it's a capable machine! Just as a sound module it's a bang for the buck, but it has slowly become my go-to for dawkess composition.
Sampler-wise, i'm exploring the sp workflow, with an og sp404 i got for 200$, and i'm always finding new ways to use it, even with the bands i play with.
Both are battery operated and have a pretty long battery life, even with rechargable ones. I don't usually like to plug things together but i'm thinking about using both together for dawless sets, we'll see how it goes
Great job on your vids man!
My pleasure!
And YOU WIN!
I love it so much
Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but I’ve gotten some very square deals at reverb and the times I’ve needed to return things It has gone very smoothly so reverb is definitely worth keeping on your radar in my opinion.
I wrote a long reply to this video detailing all my experience with Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, Mercari, Reverb, eBay and Guitar Center, with tips for each, and bloody YT has sent it into the void. But yes, wanted to say Reverb is great, customer service is the best in the business, best selection of gear, and they do NOT add buyer fees; don't know where Liam gets that nonsense from (OTOH Mercari - which is infested with scam sellers - does).
Oh awesome! Good for you! 😊
Buyers are charged an extra tax even when the item isn’t brand new
@@LiamKillen Interesting- I live in Montana and pay no sales tax -
@@LiamKillen ah, sure, depending what state you're in, but that's not a Reverb fee. If you buy from GC used, eBay, or even FB marketplace if the item is shipped, you will be charged that.
Always great content ... thanks again for your insightful comments and suggestions .. along with a full measure of transparency .. " music is to the soul - what words are to the mind" ...
Cheers to you!
I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on gear values. A very important topic.
Indeed!
Recently got a good deal on a mint TR-8. Haggled em down on reverb to negate the shipping cost. Super happy with it.
Glad you’re liking it! 😊
I got one too. Nice machine😂. I looked for one with the 7x7 upgrade.
I did not know the poly end play is going for so little. Great video….I actually still use the APC40 because it has the extra 8 knobs, it suits me lol
I don’t know that one as well- it’s also going for suuuuper cheap
The APC 40 is a beast.
Love love love the play. Its my favorite piece of gear. At the moment there are some ROUGH bugs but those look like they're going to be addressed by the end of the year. 🤞
It’s cool they’re still at least paying attention to the unit 😊
I will never get rid of my TR-8. I sequence it externally for downtempo music, mixing and matching sounds from different kits. The 606 and 707 expansions are 100% worth having.
The built in one knob sidechain ducking is a fantastic feature too.
I got the Polyend Play at a great discount when the Plus came out. If you are sequencing external Synths, you really don't need the Plus.
It seems pretty dope
My buddy uses it ! For the price it’s an absolute steal
I think you’re right!!
Zoom ar-48 of ar-96, did give me the best fun for 100 euro. Very versatile standalone with some flaws.
Thx for this addition!
The Elektron cycles used is a fair deal with many features for the money but you have to put time with tutorials. It’s also a small form factor. I like the OG Novation circuit, Roland system 1 plug out, Behringer TD 3 MO, Roland SH-32 and for drums I like the old Roland DR-880.
Yeah it’s always a time investment for sure
A Push 2 goes for 300,- where I live. Not only is that cheaper than your APC-40 MKII, it also doesn't really get better than this when in comes to Ableton integration. Also, where I live the top of the bill MPC X goes for as low as 800,-. Which insane for what is basically the most complete standalone music production studio on the market.
Push 2 is great and maybe you’re right ! But based on performers I’ve spoken to even the three seems a bit clunky to them - it’s all subjective though in the end
@@LiamKillen I can see that for performing, the APC-40 MKII might be the more compact device with controls that you can slamdunk more on, also faders are a plus then. For production though, it's a different story. The screen of the Push comes into its own then and allows for a far more hybrid experience.
Reverb only charges selling fees to the seller, not the buyer. Sales tax is gathered from the buyer and remitted to the state by Reverb on behalf of the seller, but there is no additional “fee” charged to the buyer.
A tax is a fee, no? Their system taxes buyers on new and used items … plus shipping fees.
Buying local eliminates all of that is my point.
@@LiamKillen Sorry if this is a double post -- I think my original reply may have gotten taken down since I put a link in it.
Sales tax is a tax mandated by the state where the buyer resides (at least in the US). Buying local does not make the buyer/seller immune to having to pay that tax. You are actually breaking the state's tax laws by not remitting sales tax on that transaction. It's just highly unlikely you will be charged with tax evasion for a handshake cash deal made in an Arby's parking lot.
Reverb is required, by law, to collect and remit sales tax, since it is a marketplace. It is not a fee that benefits Reverb in any way -- they are just the intermediary between the seller at the state. I believe the reason Facebook, Craigslist, etc. don't have the same requirement is because they don't process payments. Reverb has some decent articles explaining why sales tax is being collected.
I do understand your point that it does cost you more buying on Reverb. I just don't think its fair to say that they are charging both the buyer and seller a fee for a transaction, when they aren't. Reverb charges a fee that is taken out of the seller's earnings. They collect sales tax from the buyer, just like any other store would, but they don't pocket any of that money. (I mean, I guess they could be, but they will be shut down as soon as the state government realizes it.)
@@LiamKillen EU is quite a big market without having to pay for VAT. I think Reverb makes sense within areas the taxes are not charged.
Right but wrong. Reverb charges seller fees, and sellers mark up their Reverb listings to account for it. This is easy to see by checking anything listed by a given seller both on and off of Reverb. As a result, Reverb absolutely charges buyer fees, just not directly.
@@jg_ultra Sure, some sellers may do that, but by no means all of them do (source: me). Whether or not a seller chooses to pass on their fee to the potential buyer is 100% on that seller. There is no "buyer" fee mandated by Reverb, so it is unfair and incorrect to say that Reverb charges both the buyer and the seller a fee.
Since all my other replies to Liam are getting removed, I assume this one will, too. I don't care if people buy gear or Reverb, Facebook, Craigslist, their local pawn shop, etc. I just think that things should be presented fair and correct.
New term to start using regularly - my "gear sphere". Love it.
I support all of these suggestions, especially the original Digitakt. I had no desire to upgrade to the new version, as I'm convinced that I'd be less productive and the limitations of the original (although it's plenty flexible as-is) force me to be creative. The original TR-8 can also be found for crazy cheap. and the Microfreak is an awesome synth, especially after the upgrades!
Don’t steal my term! Jks
Some of the best gear deals I’ve ever snagged were from Reverb (crazy price drops on Korg Opsix, ARP 2600M, etc). So, I’d recommend anyone to keep an eye on Reverb listings and compare prices.
Oh yeah the opsix!! Damn I missed that one
Hi Liam, I think the SP404mk2 is an absolute bargain second hand too. It is an incredibly versatile machine especially if it's sequenced via external midi...
You are right!!
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It’s my pleasure 😊
For the engineer around here, used Symitrix stuff are a steal. They are really low key, but they are great. Sound great and are build like a tank. They are more into the media market (radio/TV that sort of thing) so they are not hyped. The ART VLA2 compressor is also a steal.
Thanks for this addition!
The Electribe 2 (sampler or synth) with Hacktribe installed is great value.
Haven’t checked those out yet!!
@@LiamKillen older gear, I've had mine for 7 years now (first groovebox) but still super unique in it's capabilities. Stopped using mine after about a year as "a brain", but have returned to it recently as a sketchpad to sample into my SP404. Now that I understand its synth architecture, nothing on the market really competes with it. I see it more as a 16 timbre module with sequencing capabilities than a groovebox.
i have been trying to convince myself to get one for years but i always manage to unconvince myself
@@RevoltronTVisn't digitakt better thought?
@@pariskons5421 Similar machines on paper but very different outcomes depending on what kind of music you make, so better is for sure subjective. The ES2 has a less detailed sequencer in many ways, yet provides utilities like scale and chord functions as well as a full on built in polysynth. There aren't really presets per se, but they do have preprogrammed patterns with sounds you can use. I've regained interest in it mostly because I understand synthesis a lot better than when I first bought it (thanks @liam killen), and now I'm realizing how intuitive it is designing sounds from scratch. Very mediocre sampling capabilities so not too much comparison there vs the digitakt, but they both mangle pretty good.
I agree that the APC 40 Mk2 and Mk1 are the best for live performance . Even a must for me. I was debating whether Digitakt 2 or 1 same with Poleyend play and plus . So thank you. Still want the Tr8s and the 707 though.
It’s my pleasure thx for watching 😊
IK’s Uno Synth Pro Desktop and Uno Drum are pretty sweet deals these days.
True!!
Also APC40 MKII works well with Ableton Push 3 Standalone
Hell yeah it does!
Going after "Yesterday's Quality" is the key to getting the best bang for your buck.
Yesterday and today’s quality is the same in so many cases
I get the tr8s for 350.- and the mpc live mk1 for 380.- and the uno synth pro x for 290.- (with guarantee).. the akai force with all plugins and 1tb ssd for 700.- 👌🏻 the allen and heath px5 costs me 800.- just great deals out there! 💥
Holy shit I’m jealous AF!
@@LiamKillen in switzerland there are electronic devices cheaper.. and so the used marked goes cheaper too! 🤷🏻♂️
I found this very useful. Thanks
🥂
Rytm mkI all day (8-12 tracks, individual outs, analog kick, analog bass, analog mono synth, samples, analog compressor and distortion elektron sequencer with slides note repeat etc performance modes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 600eu here in perfect shape and condition !!!
Steal!!
I don’t think you can do much better than some of the Korg Volca range.
Volca FM was one of my first bits of gear, and it still plays many parts in my live set
Hell yeah ! Glad it’s working for you 😊
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this. Appreciated!
I'm getting out of the dawless scene and been trying to sell my gear locally for one week but I need to lower the prices since I've only sold three items so far (a couple of Refaces, Crave). I think it's because of how narrow the niche of synth gear is.
Digitone Keys is a hard sell but perhaps I will try to sell it along with my original Digitakt as a package with a lowered price. Then there is Deluge I want to get rid of and a bunch of drum machines, monosynths, mixers etc.
I'm not in Facebook but I wonder if I need to make an account. Let's see. I am considering Reverb as well.
Glad to help! Thx for watching 😊
I think for controlling Ableton you could go with the NEW MOVE, and a Faderdox PC12 - you have a versitile setup, and not just a laptop midi controller, the other option would be 2 x A&H Xone K2s (or 3 ... or 5)
Yeah pc-12 is also great for bigger set ups and even Ableton. I’d still argue that for an all in one unit the apc 40 is really just perfect for Ableton
I make the distinction between remote for ableton and good midi controller. good remote: push 3; move (maybe); launchkey mk4; apc 64, sl mk3. good midi controllers: launchcontrol xl; intech studio controllers; faderfox controllers. not the same usage. You want the first kind for your composition/sketching session, the second one for your performances. (also knobs for performances; encoders for remote)
you have such an, uhh... "uncluttered and minimal" synth zone.
my studio looks like some totally radical groove spirits from a digi-techno wizards tubular brain matrix exploded in the 4D omni-control station of a ultra neon space-disco megacraft...
😵💫🤙🆗🆒
😂 yah I get that lol
An "oodle" is by FAR my favorite metric. :) Followed closely by "f*ck-ton".
😂
I have a Digitakt I don't use because of the workflow... should probably get my data off it and sell it. But the Microfreak is really appealing. I don't need its sound engine, but that touch surface would be amazing as a midi controller for a lot of stuff I do.
Sell the digitakt and pick up the microfreak and have some left over!
Forgot to mention. I have been enjoying your videos with different artists and their approach to live DAWless.I spent a lot of money on the Fantom 7 Ex . It’s amazing but I didn’t pay that much for VSTs on Roland cloud . It burns me up that even the 299 pocket T8 and everything else now has modern sequencing. They could have done an os update easily because it’s already been written for zencore right? I should probably sell it. Wdyt ?
I can’t make that decision for you! Haha
But I’m actually filming some videos with a friend today 😊
Used/New MPC One best value for feature standalone sampler on the market period. Akai's support for MPC line is top tier.
It really depends on how you plan on using it
@@LiamKillen 100%. This only applies to people who like/would use the workflow and features it offers.
@@LiamKillen right, we are hoping the version 3 will actually sort out the external control bugs
I’m so angry they dont produce the APC40 anymore…. Really the best Ableton controller for live performance! 😢
Absolutely!!
@@LiamKillen I need encoders and lots of pads… thinking if the Korg Sq-64 could be mapped. Would you try it in a video? 😉
I actually prefer the Roland tr 6 s because of its portability and don’t have much more space for synths 😅
It is like the perfect desktop unit!
lol I’ve gotten a number of great deals from reverb. What I do is just not buy the stuff that isn’t a deal. Got my OG digitone for $400 4 years before digitone mk2 was released from reverb. About the same for my Deepmind 12.
Yeah that’s a pretty wicked deal
the d1 has the sample rate reducer per channel too now!
Oh wow amazing!! That’s one thing I should have mentioned- Elektron is notorious for continuing with updates on discontinued units
The first APC-40 was awesome, the mkII should be way better!
😮
@@LiamKillen True! And, thanks to you I know get why some prices are way higher in Reverb than in Portugal local OLX, from the the same sellers.
fresh shave and clean cut. Rock on Liam
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Swedish viewers, Gearloop (formerly Vend) is amazing if you weren’t aware of it!
As a Canadian, now I’m jealous 😢
The anger of the polyend play + release was because they cut the price of the original model. This meant any units recently purchased got devalued significantly overnight. You could send your old model in for a paid upgrade which I thought was pretty cool, but people were really mad.
Oh I didn’t know about the paid upgrade part! Really cool!
I only have the digitak II but until the 16 tracks are in use the fuxxxng beat is note finished 😂
I never use 16 lol
“Gearsphere” ❤
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You cant beat the deal on digitakts right now. I got one 3 weeks ago for like 500.
Insane deal
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Just bought a new Behringer Crave for $169. At that price, I couldn't stop myself. Seems great for acid.
Behringer’s got great deals but they also suck hard as a company imo
No judgement on people who buy their products
@@LiamKillen I get that, but these boxes of this format (Edge, Crave, Grind), have an extra aggressive and raw sound that is exactly what I want. Even if you listen to them next to their Moog equivalents, they sound so much better, to me. So, I had to say F it and buy them. Already had the Edge.
Eh it can do the accent-slide needed for acid
@@ZombieLincoln666 Yeah, it can do that.
@@user82938 I mean yes it has accent and slide but the 303 is unique in the way they affect the sound and how they interact. I own three 303 clones and a Crave.
the launch control is a fantastic performance controller. not a great remote. I also think if you need a remote controller by today's standard you don't want faders (non-motorized at least); because that's useless as they lose their position; you want encoders; and you want at least a small screen; preferably a strip along your encoders. so the apc-40 is not super useful in this regard. My hot take is; besides; the push 2/3; or maybe the apc64, the best controller for ableton is the new launchkey control mk4 (preferably the smallest since the keyboard is not the object here). add a small launchpad if you want more pads. the new move is also a contender but too expensive as just a controller. there's also the sl mk3 but it's inside a big keyboard. we're definitely missing a good ableton controller with deep integration; in a small package and without a keyboard.
Thx for your take on this!
you can get the APC64 for $300 new now, too. I like the pads on it a LOT. Currently there's a weird bug in the most-recent firmware that when you power it on, Note/Chord is set to Octave +8. You can also use the APC64 as it is, and set up the Custom Mode as its own controller using... I think it's MIDI 2 but might be 3, I forget. Akai hasn't done many updates since releasing it nearly a year ago.
@@Emily_M81 Yeah I got the APC644 off of ebay for 200. I am new to ableton I figured if i were to make the jump from fl studio that i would need some type of controller to do it but i have actually found a bit of utility in its stand alone mode and actually have barely event been using it with ableton. however the price drop is a good thing I dont think anyone would have been happy with it at 400. 300 makes much more sense and i think even if your not big on Ableton like me its worth it at 200 maybe 250 if your looking for something new. as a stand alone its fun burt i have laundry list of issues that i plan on sending to Akai but i got organize them all
@@Emily_M81 I like the idea of this controller but it's simply too big for my needs
David Guetta, Live music 🤣
Yeah he’s a DJ but he does a thing with the Microfreak which def can be considered live music
1 bar is definitely good enough for techno 😂
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Anyone have any midi controller recommendations for Logic Pro X?
ANythign will do - if you're using Logic Pro in a live sertting I suggest to bail on that immediately.
Synth4Sale subreddit is awesome
Oh ! Thanks for mentioning it here! Will def be on my radar from now on 👀
Great recommendation! I recently picked up an OG Digitakt for $425 usd shipped. There’s a lot of good deals and sellers willing to trade as well
Agreed! Been buying and selling there for years!
An 150 $ SY77 beats them all.
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All elektrons mkI
Pretty much
NOOO DON'T DROP A VIDEO PRAISING DIGITAKT 1 WHILE IM TRYING TO SAVE MONEY FOR IT
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Omg 2+ mins of enticing to join discord, patrion ect to get the complete answers. Just tell us!
A vast misrepresentation of the first 2 mins but ok lol
Your videos have been real good lately. Stay off the barber shirts
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Thx for watching