Hey! So I did a quick edit and re-uploaded this from two days ago. I had some incorrect info (and included some additional info) thanks to the previous comments ❤
You CAN synch the elektron boxes using overbridge just fine. Stop scaring people! LOL Here is a more in depth guide : Turn off synch in the plugin. Goto preferences and midi in ableton and look at the midi clock stuff. You want to send midi clock to DT2 from there over usb . For that clock that goes to the DT 2 , you can set latency compensation settings there to get it in synch with hardware and or VSTS. As for getting all the channels in live you can also use an aggregate device as option 3. Personally this would be option 1 for me because aggregate devices are amazing on a mac and is the sole reason I switched from PC daw. Open the Audio Midi Setup app on your mac. Make new aggregate device and set the main audio interface as your main audio interface. Set DT2 to "Audio and midi over usb" and not overbridge in USB settings on the DT2. Then in audio midi setup app on mac click the digitakt 2 checkbox to be an aggregate device with your main interface. Then, very important, you want to select the drift correction check box for DT 2 on that screen. This tells it that DT 2 is a slave to the word clock being sent from your main interface. This way you will have zero clicks and pops from digital clocking issues. Then all the extra channels will show up in live in addition to the channels of your audio interface. Use the audio midi setup app to see how the channels map. For PC users you can use an app called "VB-Audio Matrix Coconut" to do aggregate devices and it actually works really well but its way harder to setup.
@osands I can confidently say that most users are not going to jump through these hoops to get the syncing correctly with a DAW. There's a reason Elektron gives a big disclaimer for this. It's complicated and very specific to each machine. Overbridge promises a simple/seamless experience, but the syncing and latency is not simple/seamless. For the aggregate devices, I've done a lot of testing on this in past with various devices (like a Fantom 8 and my Motu interface) and it seems to always have clicks and pops at some point. Very noticeable on pad like instruments, not so much on percussive and distorted sounds. There's actually tons of discussions on this in various forums talking about the shortcomings of aggregate devices. It's great to get things working in a pinch, and it's way better the Windows options, but it's not rock solid for every setup (which is why I'm not recommending it) And on the Windows side, I've tested the VB-Audio options and they all pump up the latency dramatically and still have occasional glitches (at least 2-3 years ago). Just to be clear, I'm not saying that this syncing method is bad or anything, it's GREAT actually! But it's more advanced AND very specific to each system/setup/user.
@@osands thanks for taking the time to write this out. I've ran into issues with midi and audio over midi with the polyend play+ and did the same and works like a charm. Good one on sharing for the diggers
@@teftymusictech jump through hoops? Its literally the way you synch most any piece of hardware to your DAW, with midi clock. Not that hard... Well maybe it is with Ableton. I remember it being much more of a PITA then bitwig which is much better. You are right though its not seamless. Takes the same effort as synching any other piece of hardware. And as for the aggregate device maybe my interface clock is just bad ass(antelope clock is known to be great) because I literally have 150+ channels of aggregate devices with zero clicks and pops ever. I have my main interface(orion 32+ gen 3) then a tr8s, an isla s2400, virus TI2, System 8, roland VT 4, digitone II, line six POD go, and sometimes I add another 10-14 channels from tracker +, play +, and roland SH4d, all running as aggregate to my main interface with absolutely zero issues. I have been running all these channels for two years so its definitely not "in a pinch" for me. One thing to note you might want to dedicate an entire thunderbolt port to all your devices that would be using usb audio and not have it on same tb port as your interface as there could potentially be bandwidth issues. You would be surprised how much audio over usb a tb port can handle though. Its crazy. I also tested VB-Audio Matrix Coconut and it was good for me on my i5 PC but I only tested with a behringer umc1820 and another device. That was like 3 months ago. On the gearspace forums they have a term its called YMMV. Your mileage may vary. And I say this for all Ive said here; YMMV.
No latency issues with bitwig. Annoyed that they have not included a proper slice or granular mode. Also annoyed you can’t drag and drop sounds onto pads
I had many classic and modern synths including a large 5U and 3U modular. The DT2 is by far the most interesting piece of gear I ever owned !ThX for the nice content
Great video as always. Thanks for sharing. Not sure if anyone already mentioned it in the comments, so just thought I'd add. There's actually a workaround for the track limitations in Ableton. Within the Overbridge app, if you go to the Mixer tab, you can assign the tracks to specific outputs. It's a bit cumbersome, but what I do is record route track 16 to Output 1, Delay to Out 2, Reverb to Out 3, and Chorus to Out 4. I'll then record the first take of my song with tracks 1 to 15 on and track 16 and the effects muted. Then i'll do another take with the opposite. That enables you to capture all the tracks for your song. Don't know if that was confusing or not. LOL
I've been a big user of Overbridge and the A4/AR (formerly) for like 4-5 years now. 100% do that tip of running a DIN Midi Cable out to whatever unit you're using for OB - The overbridge driver does a -lot-, and with the amount of work it does it's kinda too much to get sample-accurate timing over the USB connection alone. If you split the midi from the audio you get the best of all worlds, and depending on your DAW you can use all the I/O on the unit, including using the box(es) as line-inputs for other gear, which is crazy handy.
DT1 turn off latency compensation and there was zero latency on the recording. DT2 I have t tried recording yet but I don’t see why it would be different.
I've been waiting for Overbridge so I can use my computer to control it... There are ways to get around the complications with Abelton... The only other things that I want is stereo sample export and the implementation of the slice/chopping ability of the Octotrack...
I do not understand, why there would be a sync issue due to latency. If latency is correctly reported to Ableton, it should be compensated for so that audio content from within Ableton is played for this amount of ms *later*, so that everything syncs up fine. Haven't tried it myself, but I am astonished this should be a problem. Is this Ableton-specific? If Elektron puts out the warning, I suppose this is a general problem. Very strange.
Did you cover the audio routing menu in settings? You don’t have to mute the mixer tracks manually just remove them from the main out via that settings menu.
yeah only live. In bitwig and other daws it seems to work fine. Wonder why live has that limitation. Weird. Maybe live will give an update to unlock extra channels. Feel bad for live users. :(
Still have crackles and Clicks if i open overbridge only on dgt 2 i did try all settings in Control Panel. If i open other elektron overbridge works well. I do using motu mk5 interface and fl studio
it is definately milliseconds.. DAWs have something called plugin delay compensation where are plugins will have latency added so that basically everything is delayed as much as the plugin with the most latency, meaning everything is in time with each other but there is noticeable delay between e.g. midi input events, recorded audio
So yeah, there's a big sync delay that has to be compensated for when using overbridge, but that doesn't stop you from having tight sync between Ableton sequencing and DTII and whatever else is synced to Ableton. I can run Ableton, DTII, and an OXI One with tight sync among all three, for instance. I need to dial in a negative sync offset for the OXI when using all three, but it's a consistent, stable offset so it's fine. The only real drag is that since the offset is negative, the OXI is behind when I hit play. It takes about a quarter of a bar or so to lock up. Not a deal-breaker in the studio, although it's an important limitation you'd have to be aware of for anything live.
Wierd My syntakt overbridge on 2013 retina intel macbook pro has 2ms latency. I pluged it and didn’t configure anything Oora in this video has minimum latency th-cam.com/video/i_MjSIeomwM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=t5zePy14TcEv_2xh I’m so concerned because overbridge is the only reason i want to get dt2. Im not gonna use it without OB (thats my workflow but i know its a great machine for other things)
I probably should've mentioned this in more detail, but my concerns with latency have to do with playing things live on a keyboard (or with other live players in the studio). I like to improv ideas on the keyboard a lot and the extra latency from Overbridge starts complicating things. If all you're doing is sequencing things, then you can adjust latency per hardware device to get things lined up correctly in most DAWs. But as soon as you add a live player or singer into the mix, then the latency can be obvious real fast.
Hey! So I did a quick edit and re-uploaded this from two days ago. I had some incorrect info (and included some additional info) thanks to the previous comments ❤
Thank you! 🤌🖤
You CAN synch the elektron boxes using overbridge just fine. Stop scaring people! LOL Here is a more in depth guide : Turn off synch in the plugin. Goto preferences and midi in ableton and look at the midi clock stuff. You want to send midi clock to DT2 from there over usb . For that clock that goes to the DT 2 , you can set latency compensation settings there to get it in synch with hardware and or VSTS. As for getting all the channels in live you can also use an aggregate device as option 3. Personally this would be option 1 for me because aggregate devices are amazing on a mac and is the sole reason I switched from PC daw. Open the Audio Midi Setup app on your mac. Make new aggregate device and set the main audio interface as your main audio interface. Set DT2 to "Audio and midi over usb" and not overbridge in USB settings on the DT2. Then in audio midi setup app on mac click the digitakt 2 checkbox to be an aggregate device with your main interface. Then, very important, you want to select the drift correction check box for DT 2 on that screen. This tells it that DT 2 is a slave to the word clock being sent from your main interface. This way you will have zero clicks and pops from digital clocking issues. Then all the extra channels will show up in live in addition to the channels of your audio interface. Use the audio midi setup app to see how the channels map. For PC users you can use an app called "VB-Audio Matrix Coconut" to do aggregate devices and it actually works really well but its way harder to setup.
@osands I can confidently say that most users are not going to jump through these hoops to get the syncing correctly with a DAW. There's a reason Elektron gives a big disclaimer for this. It's complicated and very specific to each machine. Overbridge promises a simple/seamless experience, but the syncing and latency is not simple/seamless.
For the aggregate devices, I've done a lot of testing on this in past with various devices (like a Fantom 8 and my Motu interface) and it seems to always have clicks and pops at some point. Very noticeable on pad like instruments, not so much on percussive and distorted sounds. There's actually tons of discussions on this in various forums talking about the shortcomings of aggregate devices. It's great to get things working in a pinch, and it's way better the Windows options, but it's not rock solid for every setup (which is why I'm not recommending it)
And on the Windows side, I've tested the VB-Audio options and they all pump up the latency dramatically and still have occasional glitches (at least 2-3 years ago).
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that this syncing method is bad or anything, it's GREAT actually! But it's more advanced AND very specific to each system/setup/user.
@@osands thanks for taking the time to write this out. I've ran into issues with midi and audio over midi with the polyend play+ and did the same and works like a charm. Good one on sharing for the diggers
@@teftymusictech jump through hoops? Its literally the way you synch most any piece of hardware to your DAW, with midi clock. Not that hard... Well maybe it is with Ableton. I remember it being much more of a PITA then bitwig which is much better. You are right though its not seamless. Takes the same effort as synching any other piece of hardware. And as for the aggregate device maybe my interface clock is just bad ass(antelope clock is known to be great) because I literally have 150+ channels of aggregate devices with zero clicks and pops ever. I have my main interface(orion 32+ gen 3) then a tr8s, an isla s2400, virus TI2, System 8, roland VT 4, digitone II, line six POD go, and sometimes I add another 10-14 channels from tracker +, play +, and roland SH4d, all running as aggregate to my main interface with absolutely zero issues. I have been running all these channels for two years so its definitely not "in a pinch" for me. One thing to note you might want to dedicate an entire thunderbolt port to all your devices that would be using usb audio and not have it on same tb port as your interface as there could potentially be bandwidth issues. You would be surprised how much audio over usb a tb port can handle though. Its crazy. I also tested VB-Audio Matrix Coconut and it was good for me on my i5 PC but I only tested with a behringer umc1820 and another device. That was like 3 months ago. On the gearspace forums they have a term its called YMMV. Your mileage may vary. And I say this for all Ive said here; YMMV.
No latency issues with bitwig.
Annoyed that they have not included a proper slice or granular mode.
Also annoyed you can’t drag and drop sounds onto pads
I had many classic and modern synths including a large 5U and 3U modular. The DT2 is by far the most interesting piece of gear I ever owned !ThX for the nice content
Great video as always. Thanks for sharing. Not sure if anyone already mentioned it in the comments, so just thought I'd add. There's actually a workaround for the track limitations in Ableton. Within the Overbridge app, if you go to the Mixer tab, you can assign the tracks to specific outputs. It's a bit cumbersome, but what I do is record route track 16 to Output 1, Delay to Out 2, Reverb to Out 3, and Chorus to Out 4. I'll then record the first take of my song with tracks 1 to 15 on and track 16 and the effects muted. Then i'll do another take with the opposite. That enables you to capture all the tracks for your song. Don't know if that was confusing or not. LOL
I've been a big user of Overbridge and the A4/AR (formerly) for like 4-5 years now. 100% do that tip of running a DIN Midi Cable out to whatever unit you're using for OB - The overbridge driver does a -lot-, and with the amount of work it does it's kinda too much to get sample-accurate timing over the USB connection alone. If you split the midi from the audio you get the best of all worlds, and depending on your DAW you can use all the I/O on the unit, including using the box(es) as line-inputs for other gear, which is crazy handy.
All that to say, if I clock the DTII via MIDI from my Multiclock, I should have sample accurate audio over USB?
Ive been running the A4 from OB on a Mac without any latency issues for ages via USB. Still have to try the DTII though
Finally someone who mentione the latency issue. I sold the digi bcse of that. It was 32 ms on mine... and i am a key player so...
DT1 turn off latency compensation and there was zero latency on the recording. DT2 I have t tried recording yet but I don’t see why it would be different.
What are your thoughts on the AD conversion of over bridge with DT2 ? Comperable to more high class converters ?
I've been waiting for Overbridge so I can use my computer to control it... There are ways to get around the complications with Abelton... The only other things that I want is stereo sample export and the implementation of the slice/chopping ability of the Octotrack...
I do not understand, why there would be a sync issue due to latency. If latency is correctly reported to Ableton, it should be compensated for so that audio content from within Ableton is played for this amount of ms *later*, so that everything syncs up fine. Haven't tried it myself, but I am astonished this should be a problem. Is this Ableton-specific? If Elektron puts out the warning, I suppose this is a general problem. Very strange.
Did you cover the audio routing menu in settings? You don’t have to mute the mixer tracks manually just remove them from the main out via that settings menu.
This is how we used the mains
As an fx return track on the older Overbridge devices at least
Great tip!
VST3 also has a 15 Tracks limitation in Ableton Live. Unfortunately.
yeah only live. In bitwig and other daws it seems to work fine. Wonder why live has that limitation. Weird. Maybe live will give an update to unlock extra channels. Feel bad for live users. :(
Is ableton’s pdc enabled?
Corrected information is at 3:58
I thought you were accurate beats haha you both look really similar to each other
Still have crackles and Clicks if i open overbridge only on dgt 2 i did try all settings in Control Panel. If i open other elektron overbridge works well. I do using motu mk5 interface and fl studio
Hmmm might be the computer? Or maybe the audio interface buffer size needs to be higher?
Microseconds not milliseconds right? Milliseconds is very audible
it is definately milliseconds.. DAWs have something called plugin delay compensation where are plugins will have latency added so that basically everything is delayed as much as the plugin with the most latency, meaning everything is in time with each other but there is noticeable delay between e.g. midi input events, recorded audio
Oops! Sorry Tefty, TH-cam put a comment meant for another video here! Just in case you saw the notification before I deleted the comment.
So yeah, there's a big sync delay that has to be compensated for when using overbridge, but that doesn't stop you from having tight sync between Ableton sequencing and DTII and whatever else is synced to Ableton. I can run Ableton, DTII, and an OXI One with tight sync among all three, for instance. I need to dial in a negative sync offset for the OXI when using all three, but it's a consistent, stable offset so it's fine. The only real drag is that since the offset is negative, the OXI is behind when I hit play. It takes about a quarter of a bar or so to lock up. Not a deal-breaker in the studio, although it's an important limitation you'd have to be aware of for anything live.
LOL asking Korg for updates that give features 😭🤣😭🤣
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Wierd
My syntakt overbridge on 2013 retina intel macbook pro has 2ms latency. I pluged it and didn’t configure anything
Oora in this video has minimum latency
th-cam.com/video/i_MjSIeomwM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=t5zePy14TcEv_2xh
I’m so concerned because overbridge is the only reason i want to get dt2. Im not gonna use it without OB (thats my workflow but i know its a great machine for other things)
I probably should've mentioned this in more detail, but my concerns with latency have to do with playing things live on a keyboard (or with other live players in the studio). I like to improv ideas on the keyboard a lot and the extra latency from Overbridge starts complicating things. If all you're doing is sequencing things, then you can adjust latency per hardware device to get things lined up correctly in most DAWs. But as soon as you add a live player or singer into the mix, then the latency can be obvious real fast.