Black Mesa - 2012 vs. 2024 - Weapons Comparison
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2012 snarks:just a little throw dont worry
2020 snarks: *Y E E E T*
Wait till you see Crack Mesa.
Same with the Satchel Charges, they go way further in retail.
@@TheKiller1922 I don't know what
+Ray4n what?
@@tauon_ TBH I have no idea probably had something in mind lol
One of the lead devs said the Security Guards voice actor made noises for the MP5 Grenade
They said he went in his closet muffled his microphone and went THUNK
our lord of black mesa voice acting Kevin Sisk did voice acting for
Guards,Zombies,Vortigaunts,Eli,G-Man,MP5 Grenades
goose b o i interesting
Thank you goose boi
Even grenades?
Madlads are everywhere dude
He also did all the fart sounds that can be heard throughout the game.
@@flytrapYTP Imagine if he actually farted into the microphone while making one of those
Its satisfying to see the visible progress made between the years. 2020 models are fantastic, the sounds are satisfying and I never got tired of using the weapons in most situations.
Except the tau cannon is still broke
How about the remake of Half life 2?
Would that be more cooler?
Wait Half life Mmod is the remake of Half life 2 lol
@@bluecz390 u dont even know what remake means
Lighting was a bit nicer in 2012, the blacks have been crushed too much in the latest one imo.
Man, the 2012 animations were SO stiff. Samuel Merrifield said it perfectly in his comment, they really do look like GMOD sweps, like something you'd see in M9K. The retail version is a huge improvement, there's much more character in the animations.
i like the way the pistol is held better from 2012(but don't like the lower viewmod fov) but besides that yes
@@BlueFusion2910 New pistol anims are realistic
tell it to the TFA base weapons, feeling better than the BMS weapons.
I can't tell the difference between Hive Hand, Nades, Satchel Charges and Snarks from one version to another, but besides these everything is an improvement.
@@monmky are they tho? not everybody holds guns the same
why there is a Ichthyosaur floating in mid air
for science
"For the last time Gordon , that fish cannot fly!"
"Great Scott!"
Where
@@sagnost look in left hand side on top of the mountain
black mesa's totally not responsible
0:45 the fish just vibin' at the top left
It's an Ichtyosaur
As a scientist, Gordon sure knows how to use lots of weapons
He's a highly trained professional.
@@bryanmora8634 That doesn't explain how he instantly knew how to use hivehands and utilize snarks without prior knowledge
@@vivosmartphone2280 snarks are just bugs
@@Kpba32 How about the hivehands?
@@vivosmartphone2280 He's alfa chad
honestly I don't get how people prefer the 2012 versions, the animations and models look like something out of a Gmod weapons pack instead of an actual game
2012 version's animations are closer to original HL1.
@@techleontius9161 you do know that this game is a remake, NOT a remaster.
GoTi4No do you think most people care if someone called the 2012 version look like a gmod mod? It’s definitely not insulting at all, they are just spitting facts
@@tonmoymukherjee6951 i may seem dumb, but what's the difference?
GoTi4No hey, no need to be mad, I don’t know you could get offended by such little thing
12:23 HECU: DO IT!!
12:28 Snarks: We coming for you! XD
Lol i didnt know a fish can fly… .
Donkeys are not the only things that can fly...
i know i notice the icysaur flying in mid air is well
12:23 DOOOIIIIT! Haha I missed that in the 2020 release.
God. Ichthyosaur evolved so fast now they can float in midair.
2012 clock 17 : who are you?
2020 clock 17 : I am you , but *better*
HL2 USP Match: Am i a joke to you?
Maybe Glock 17?
@@BraixenKartzem .357: *pathetic*
HK MP5 with M203: Hello there!
It's Glock,you know.
The scope zoom actually looks better in the 2012 version
Yeah, but it was very demanding...
@@uligallardo8110 On top of it lagging way more than a source engine game has any right to, it also gives the user so much tunnel vision that it didn't seem worthwhile to use on anything moving. The projectile has travel time, so to lead your shots, you'd have to aim where you can't even see the moving target you intend on hitting. That's my theory, at least.
@@uligallardo8110 despite what you said, I agree with Piero.
they removed it for performance, rendering two worlds is hella laggy
That poor fish's been vibing in the air for 8 years...
The 2020 SPAS12 looks more "fat"
It looks like a generic doom weapon...
Chunk
You mean THICC?
@@chriscantrell9012 I literally do not see anything "Doom" about the final SPAS 12 look
I like the Tau Cannon's older model more than it's more modern counterpart, but beyond that the jump in quality between the two versions of the game is quite stunning. Even the newer Tau Cannon is much better animated and obviously better lit as the engine work improved.
You forgot the zoom with the magnum.
Not magnum, it's revolver
same shit
As somebody who's handled quite a few firearms in addition to playing Modern shooters, while there's definitely some notable improvements the weird Barrel smoke in the 2020 version is a really strange choice. While the 2012 version had a very basic muzzle flash, it was more realistic than smoke rising up every time you fire gun.
Honestly. I think it's just a styilistic/artistic choice. It's a sci-fi FPS after all, it isn't really meant to be super realistic or accurately mimic IRL weapons.
There's actually a mod for Black Mesa 2012 that adds particles to muzzle flashes.
2:20 Smg: *shooting*
meanwhile the ictosaurious flying at the superior left backround:
*yeet*
I have yet to see a man outsmart bullets from the glock 2012 shot in rapid fire.
"Look Gordon! A fish!"
"We can- HELP ME GORDON!"
"We can eat the fish to replenish energy! I read that on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit!"
You’ve really educated me about these weapons in half-life. Before I subscribed, I didn’t even know what the trip mines proper name were.
It's kinda sad that primed grenade still uses the same model as item version, with pin and lever still attached. Even Half-Life 2 had separate models for primed and item versions of its grenade.
I don't think
half life 2
did
First, I checked it with HL2 model viewer. There is an item version called "grenadeammo.mdl" in the "items" folder, and then there is a primed version called "w_grenade.mdl" in the "weapons" folder.
Second, I just checked it in the game. When you throw a grenade, it *_doesn't_* have pin and lever on model, unlike in Black Mesa, which uses the same model. Maybe Crowbar Collective just made it too faithful to the original Half-Life ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@MaximG.
i don't remember it having
a separate model
but i don't know since
i haven't played it in a while
I wouldn't consider that sad. The difference between a primed grenade model and a normal grenade model is very miniscule.
@@icedtease1973 Plus the damned thing is tiny and you want it as far away from you as possible.
1:39 my favorite part, GOD I LOVE THAT SOUND!
2012 crossbow scope looked so good. Still don't get why it was removed.
Imagine aiming with a scope that dirty, sure it looks good but it would just make the crossbow not fun to use
It was removed for performance reasons. The old scope worked by rendering the whole world twice, which is *very* bad.
dual render scopes can be laggy as hell, so they removed it for the sake of performance
How to reload a glock in BM2012.
Step 1: pull out mag
Step 2: load new mag
Step 3: barely pull down the slide lock
I remember the 2012 smg back when the mod was released feeling so underwhelming, retail now is so satisfying to use
Barney- "Do You Have Your Passport?"
Also Barney- "I Can Go In Here Because I Have My Passport."
Thx :)
Why are you talking to yourself
@@IAm-zo1bo maybe he just sad
Why everyone assume the Newer version models its from 2020? The model its already out since 2015 but in 2020 they got more polished
Because they were implemented in 2020?
@@Bbhskklh ??? No they weren't?
These updated models have been around since 2015.
@@randomcatdude "No they weren't?"
Dude, are you even answering? Or questioning.
2020 and the tau cannon's hose is still broke LMAO
how is it broken?
@@dooplon5083 I think it's the way it waves. It's kinda erratic or something.
The way Gordon holds the SMG in the 2012 version reminds me of how the chief held the battle rifle in halo 2
Hah even the projectile is doing a bunny hop 8:38
Go gmod1 vs gmod5 vs gmod8-9 vs gmod13, pls. Old versions you can found in moddb.
or just all versions of gmod, 1-13
I like the look of the 2012 Shogun in comparison to the 2020 version, due to it looking more realistic and akin to HL2’s SPAS-12.
It literally just looks like it uses the same model as the half life 2 shotgun
Honestly, I never wondered what the weapons were like back in 2012.
I played 2012 version and the biggest gripes for me were two things:
1) Combat with HECU was extremely difficult. Yes i play this on Hard setting, but still. I can finish original Half Life on hard almost blindfolded by now. Yet I died so many times because of their perfect accuracy and a single SMG bullet doing whooping 6 damage.
2) Cuts made in Surface Tension chapter. This was the high point of HL1 campaign and it was kinda sad to see half of this chapter cut off.
Then patches came and finally a retail version which is very good. It's one of the best remakes that you can buy on the market. Stands up to the original game. Although I would still recommend playing original Half Life (GoldSrc version, not this half assed Source port) prior to playing BM if you haven't played it by now.
Also if you feel like having fun and breaking the game, you can easily edit stuff like ammo capacity and monster toughness in the game files. I did a playthrough with ammo caps set to 9999 and it was the most fun I ever had with Half Life. I stocked up almost 1000 ammo for gluon gun and just went BZZZZTTTT on them once i picked it up.
Man hard mode on the mod was worse than Doom lol. The Marines had autoaim and shredded you in like 5 seconds even with full HEV. Thankfully their AI was lacking hardcore and they'd just zerg rush you in a straight line so it was super easy to pick them off at range with the magnum, especially since you got it back in Office Complex
I like how they reused the old sounds for the npc weapons.
am i the only one that likes the 2012 smg more than the new one? it felt more on point with the original
I love how the 2012 tau cannon is powered by generic duracell batteries
I didn't know that product placement are here.
@@sonsenus2 well its not actually duracell but they look similar
@@CheekyLad_ It's just a joke on a joke.
I’m honestly glad they changed the MP5 from burst to full auto.
It was full auto the entire time
I always thought that Tau Cannon fire sound like someone is having bad shitting time in toilet.
I wonder why they removed the scope feature for the crossbow in 2020. It looked pretty cool with it on in 2012.
OofBoi420 what he mean is the scope mechanic, in 2012 you can see the whole scope and it only zoom in in the scope, but outside doesn’t. In the 2020, they removed it because vision block based on feedbacks
I fell a bit of nostalgia with the 2012 alpha. It was the first version I played before to buy the definitive edition on Steam :D
Sound for smg was better in 2012. I hate using it in the recent version but the rest of the guns are pretty good
I can’t get over that fish
I like the 2012 version
sorry to say that but it suck
@@liamsy5295 animations are stiff, some casual bugs, but it's more optimized than the latest version of the retail game.
I remember I played the original version of Black Mesa Source when it came out in the 2012s, but I completely forgot how the old weapons looked like. I think the ones from the 2020s look better but I like the tau cannon from the 2012s more.
For people complain about 2012, because black mesa tried to make all guns and animation as close to HL1 as possible which is why it look outdated
Edit: plus when it was still a mod not on steam yet it was a great overhaul, compare to HL1
I’m proud of them for making black mesa, so cool seeing them improve over the years
Why in the goddamn STAPH is this ichthyosaur flying.
The gunshot sounds really realistic in black mesa
who noticed that icthy up there floating but before he zoomed at it?
new models and animations are so nice. Very good job.
2012 has better sound design. I can tell by the fact you can hear the empty shells falling, but not in 2020.
The hammers... On the .357... THEY DONT GO BACK
I´m surprised by the 2012 glock version.
It does look like an actual glock gun.
Looks almost identical to a Gen 2. But the video says Glock 17, it has 19 on the model, but it's a Glock 34 (longer version of 17).
The Glock in the beginning was so smooth.
Are these thing firing black powder now?
I'd say the only downgrade is the new Tau cannon design... never liked how they turned it from a believable weapon prototype with open coils into generic scifi gun 12
some parts of 2020 and 2012 would look good, along with the new animations.
I wish I knew why they removed the original crossbow scope, cause that was really cool!
lag
It was too demanding for the Source Engine, and it had an effect that made the crossbow a pain to use. When you ADS with the crossbow, in 2012 you couldn't see what was 'outside' of the scope, so you'd have a harsh time trying to find you enemies, and the FPS drop didn't help. However, with the simplified scope, you could see the enemies outside the scope, even if it was blurred, and best of all: it didn't kill the game's FPS.
almost 16 thousand subscribers, congratulations
I also surprised that the gameplay, maps, texture are changed in the full version of it. There are a lot of things that changed
While the new weapons and animations are better, I prefer the older ones arms, it had a darker orange, the new one is almost blinding and distracting.
I feel like alot of the newer ones suffer more black crush, and sound effects without enough variance.
Probably just bad gamma settings. 2020 version loses alot of detail in the shadows in this video.
@@Jeroenneman I see- I really hope I get to play the Steam release version eventually, as my computer in its current state cannot run it, and the game has just been sitting in my library for almost a year or two now.
RIP the man on opposite mountain
I kinda wonder if canonically Gordon picked up these weapons when the situation called for it and discarded them when they ran out of ammunition or whatever other reason or if the HEV suit actually provides him with some kind of pocket dimension where he can store all this stuff, including ammo
Wait... you may be on to something with the 'pocket dimension' thing. After all, Black Mesa evidently had access to that kind of technology even before the resonance cascade...
Domovoy pls I mean, Gman did said THOSE weapons are government property, so I guess it’s canon
are smarks amd hivehand government property too xd
Domovoy pls pretty sure Gman would throw them away
The only one I prefer the 2012 version of was the pistol. It fired faster.
The pistol can fire faster too in the definitive edition.
i do like the old mp5's model better though, more like the OG mp5
0:20
(pulls out new gun)
subtitle: *cómo ah*
0:46
*[aplousos]*
LOL
Since i have no money for black mesa on steam , i struggled to find the 2020 version to download, the weapons on 2012 version are rough and don't have many animations (because it was a mod back then), and the 2020 version is super well made with plenty of animations, i ask myself how many time we will have to wait until source 2 hl2 , probably a bit less than black mesa , but we will still get to wait some 6-5 years maybe .
*time for cracking*
What's that thing floating in the air?
itchyosaurus that fish on underwater
*2012* snarks: camly throw them
*2020* snarks: YEEET THA BICH!!
Pro predicted the future, this was made 3 years ago and its 2023 rn 🗿
I like how when gordon uses the grenade launcher on the MP5, it looks like it automatically launches itself and he missed his chance to launch it himself.
I only have the 2012 version and it’s a disc version, I really enjoy it and my Older brother made a custom cover
I more like glock 2012. And why that fish in air? :D
0:00 anyone notice the floating ichthyosaur!?!?
6:45 Scientist 1: It's Overcharge! Scientist 2: What is Overcha- 6:49
Yeah,I was waiting for someone to do it,I first played black Mesa in the 2012 version,and the weapons are kinda cool
С монтировкой в этой игре есть один существенный нюанс. Игрок видит её, перед собой, хотя Гордон держит её всегда на замахе, позади головы. И анимацию её всегда создают, с небольшой амплитудой, словно Гордон всё простукивает. Тогда как в сетевых играх (со стороны) видно, что он бъёт, с максимальным размахом руки.
yeeeeh gonna need side-by-side comparisons bro.
2020 gluon has better effects/animation but I like the old model better
Never underestimate a community is what Black Mesa tells :P
I love using the .357 magnum it’s very satisfying
Honestly I think the energy weapons sounded better in the original game. The charging tau cannon sound is iconic in the original Half-Life, and the gluon gun in just irreplaceable. The new gun sounds like a buzzing heat lamp or something. The visuals are awesome but the sound is just... not the same.
Honestly? True. The sound design is definitely lacking in Black Mesa.
@@randomcatdude The sound "design" are literally stock sounds.
Btw did anyone wonder how gorden Carrys his weapons well you know does metal bags that you can find in xen in opposing force well apparently gorden Carrys one of them on his back
so nobody is gonna talk about the floading fish at the top left?
what is that mod that gives realistic hands/weapons shadows?
4:37 easily seen with the shadows of the crossbow on Freeman's hands?
This is an late response but black Mesa in 2020 implemented a new lighting that is similar like CSGO but better and beautiful , idk how they made it possible on the source engine tho
I downloaded my in 2019 and my weapons still lookin like 2012 even tho other channels don't
You bought it on steam or downloaded the free mod version?
The "2020" weapons are from the steam retail version
dang... I hope they remake hl2
HL2 MMOD is something you might be looking for.
@@techleontius9161 I mean like map redesigns (not cineimatic mod) and weapon redesigns (again, not cinematic mod) and new models (YET A FREAKING GAIN, NOT CINEMATIC MOD)
@@thesketchhog uuuh... Do you mean "Fakefactory Cinematic mod" under "cinematic mod"? If so, this and MMOD are two different mods. First one is just weird attempt to add new experience and feel to HL2. Second one is for making HL2 better.
@@techleontius9161 1: Yes, I do mean fakefactory's cinematic mod.
2: I want hl2 made in the engine black mesa was made in, with level redesigns, hd textures, etc.
@@thesketchhog Black Mesa and HL2 are on the same engine.
Ok. The title makes no sense.
This came out 3 years ago, yet the title says it's comparing to the 2023 version.
*DONT FUCK WITH THE SCIENCE TEAM!!!!*
the fish just vibin
The Tau Cannon's 2020 viewmodel's angle is WAY off.
Where did you get the 2012 version of black mesa please tell me.
nobody
5:20
grap rpg with one hand
0:45 i though it was the Apache
i didnt know black mesa came out in 2012 i yhought it was brand spankin news
Small ccrrection: it was actually the *mod version* that came out in 2012. Then, the Steam version came out in 2015. And now recently, in 2020, the game came out of early access, since the Xen chapters are all complete now.
Why is there a flying Icthyosaur at the top left of the screen? I remember that happening in Half-Life 1.
Black Mesa Source feels like a more faithful remake of the original Half-Life (complete from map lay-out, and even the way the models look, origins and crosshair). I prefer it over the retail version. There's also this mod called "Improved Xen" that remade OG Half-Life's Xen (same lay-out but with reworked map geometry, high res textures and fancy models) in Source 2007. This and BMS work like a charm. Xen in the retail feels like a completely different game. Interloper's too tedious (screw that shit). Also, retail's unoptimized at times especially that elevator section in Interloper.