Hey guys, if you're interested in more GiantGrantGames content, my second channel is releasing vods from a run where Twitch chat could directly influence the game while I played through Starcraft 2, trolling me with Cannon Rushes, Motherships, Nukes and more! The entire experience was an insane mess in the best way possible and you can watch it here: th-cam.com/video/igyZoz70m8k/w-d-xo.html
GGG i really apprecciate how you bought the Ice monster shards just to trick us into thinking you were gonna use them to beat the final level, Well done
@@anonvideo738 The main comment is calling it poetic because this whole series has been shaped by the jank of reforged, so it's fitting that the ending would only be possible in it.
I think what he said was like "Why do you guys keep suggesting siege engines? they're not even good" and when it started working "I'm so mad that this is working". and now we have a 'honk' emote on twitch
"The Scourge campaign has a unique mechanic--" And, Pavlovian, my brain fills in: "There are eight maps scattered around Azeroth. Each is guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies."
Grant: "I need to beat some incredibly difficult missions in an RTS game" The viewer: "I wonder how he is going to defend against the attacj waves..." Grant: "Base trade it is"/skips aquiring the base in the first place
i found out the base trick in return the very first time. it was a bit of a slog cause i didnt know that you could just beat the second part with sapphiron, but i was just happy i found an exploit on my own.
They said they cant find people in the mountains. And it's more than 20 peasants. They can't give you 100 peasants per wave for the sake of your computer at the time.
The Forgotten One was supposed to cast Flamestrike, Firebolt, and Charm. Reforged is such a shitshow. EDIT: He also had Spawn Tentacle. I forgot about that one
@@franelabus9182 There actually is. There are runes of spell shield spread around the arena. I think they can counteract charm because the boss has a unit variant (like the one Queen of Suffering has), not the one Sylvanas has. But I'm not sure. I might be totally wrong.
personally i would have voted "Yes" on allowing posession. Your Banshee doesn't go away, she just becomes the posessed unit. more like changing clothes then anything else.
Same. I find it weird that an "overwhelming" amount of people denied it. I would have understood if it was a timed thing. But the possession is permanent...
@@peffiSC2source I can see your point, but I would want grant to use possesion because the banshee is not playable in the other mission. and this run felt kinda the same as others but i guess repetitive is rule's middle name And fighing banshee possesion in deathless run is way more awesome and infutriating
Eh , depends , it changes the unit limit count , disappears itself , cannot be taken back and is gaining completely different stats and abilities. It's more of a "unfair exchange" , so I would say that it's very well a death of a banshee , though I'd say only from a technical standpoint , not from any other ones .
It looks like undead are permanent underdogs. They are always weaker then opponent. First human campaign - is easy and you were helping them all along. Second campaign. Siege of Rivendale: elves have those rider that are vastly superior to anything in undead army. Next: fell orcs. They are insanely powerfull, compared to undead foces, have chaos damage, insane spells, and red dragons. And so on. Naga, demons, cool human heroes of level 15 from bonus campaign - everything makes scourge look like joke. I can think of only 2 factions that look as weak: satires and drenei.
I’m a bit sad that the Warcraft deathless ends here, even though reforged is such a broken mess. Though I’m still full of hope on what else you’ll do in the future. It’s great that in these times where no one really cares about RTS games that you make such incredibly fun to watch content!
Yeah, seeing him doing custom campaigns deathless would have been amazing, especially because believe it or not, the difficulty ramps up even more than in the regular campaigns (try Curse of the Forsaken on hard or the second books of Legends of Arkain, they're quite something). I personally asked him about this in his Discord server, and he said that he thinks custom content could be fun, but it leads to less engagement due to its lower popularity, meaning that his videos get less views and the algorithm really screws with his channel. I just hope that he at least considers doing it on Twitch while uploading both failed and successful runs on the Archives channel. But another challenge on the base campaigns would make me quite happy too.
Why wont he play bonus campaign? It will be more challenging that you might think. He starts with level one Misha so he has to Keep her. Also if heroes dies, respawn or not it is still a death. Some quests like Seal the tunnels might actually be impossible.
The objective of beating Warcraft 3 without losing an unit is super unique. There are eight campaigns, each guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies.
@@PRubin-rh4sr ...considering that's a very "Diablo" style open adventure thing, is there even any units you can lose in that in order to have a deathless run? I genuinely don't remember if you get anything besides your hero units, and I vaguely recall that you lose if any of them die.
@@iusemyrealnamebefore Fair point. I wonder how far you could push the Founding of Durotar as a "save allies whenever possible" run. It would be ridiculously difficult, no doubt, but I'd be curious to see someone at least do a "discussion" video on the idea of it. Not strictly attempt it, for obvious reasons, but just to highlight what challenges it would present.
Yah kinda like the last Orc mission in Reign of Chaos, he found a way to cheese what would have been an incredibly difficult mission, in the last Undead mission’s case, I’d say maybe even near impossible to do normally deathless
@@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126 If I ever get some significant free time I might have to give this a try. Although the 500 damage trigger might just ruin my day. But I thought there was a way of doing it where you take the oblisks at the 3:00 and 9:00 position, build your necropolises there and a fuck ton of towers and defend and build up, then beat Illidan when he tries to take it, and eventually you've got enough stuff that you just grind out the 12:00 base slowly, pulling units back as need be... But saying it is one thing, pulling it off is another matter entirely. Still, I might need to give it a shot.
@@Norrieification Well it's really hard cause the AI cheats their ass off, they have infinite money and 3 bases constantly maxed out pumping forces is hard to stop even when losing units
To explain the difficulty spike from The Frozen Throne compared to Reign of Chaos I'm going to use a Dunkey quote "The game goes from tough but fair to tough but f*** you" Well, at least it isn't as bad as Starcraft I [pain
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo all this time, since the moment the series started I was thinking "But I *know* you can't beat WC3FT deathless, because the last mission is impossibly hard". I got trolled!
Fun fact: the last Sylvanas mission was the last one he did on stream - he completed the final mission before that one, struggling like crazy with the last two Sylvanas missions (watched them on VoD). Was looking forward to this movie and I was honestly not disappointed.
@@vienalicaway2585 I watched them on his Twitch but they were removed after a certain amount of time (I think Twitch only holds VoDs for 2 months and I watched them a couple of days after the stream).
Now I wonder what the bonus campaign would be like deathless? Since you can't use quillboars you will be losing out on a lot of DPS, and managing Misha's HP would also be pretty rough, but then again the bonus campaign was basically WOW in W3 engine so maybe it isn't that far off?
I love how you find so many strats that basically boil down to 101 ways to make the ai do dumb things or not trigger at all. It's fascinating watching these.
I hate how you were banned from possession. Its not hypnosis at the cost of a life, its literally a banshee going INTO an enemy and taking control of their body. The banshee is still there (and probably experiencing gender dysphoria now depending on the unit).
The AI : *"Hey the player doesn't have base. We won!"* GGG : *"There is another!"* Amazing how Reforged actually has something fixed for once xD Illidan : *"You think you can just channel the obelisk in front of me and walk away?"* Arthas : *_"Yeah"_* **teleports away*
Oh cool a new deathless run. Time to binge through the series again ... and again ... and again. Yes, these are quite comforting to run as a background insonation :D
i cant believe you can simply cheese the last Mission of WC3 in such a way. It took me almost 2 weeks to beat this as a kid... that mission is so brutal.. Well done Grant! This whole Deathless series was an absolute pleasure to watch!
Won't work. Units are dying only when leader dies, those games don't care about separate soldiers. So there would be no way to track who died. Unless you fully abandon using infantry... which might work in case of CnC. For DoW, DoWII campaign might work too. CoH is too infantry focused so it won't work.
what about the rpg orc campain it might be a free win but there are some moments where you are supposed to use units and you also have a lot of summons in this
Yeah, I was hoping he'd mention the Rexxar campaign. That last bit where you're assaulting Theramore would be challenging due to the saving allies rule.
I was ready to argue that the posses ability does not kill your unit but the one inside the host body, but man this rule made the video so much more entertaining. Nice job!
that's because by the end of campaigh, you'll probably not do wacky sheesy stuff and will just buildbuildbuild an army to wipe out Illidan from the face of the world while Sylvanas's missions are midgame to end-midgame so you will still have some creativity left in your brain
Funnily enough, they were actually the final boss of the run- since the Sylvannas and Arthas portions of the campaign don't actually affect each other after the split, Grant did the last Arthas missions first, then went back to finish the three Sylvannas missions.
@@The-jy3yq I am doing the classic warcraft 3 campaign and I'm at the last campaign now and that mission scares me. I remember playing the campaign on normal years ago and I had the problem where hard was too hard and normal was too easy, so I had to settle for normal and breeze through the campaign. until symphony of frost and flame. that mission was horrifying on normal. Now I'm playing the campaign on hard because I no longer suck as much at RTS games and I'm fully expecting that mission to break me.
i mean didnt he say theres a rule he needs to save ally units? in the last mission where thrall attacks proudmoore you can't really save the ally units.
@@konstandinosverzamanis5699 well it's "save ally where possible", but also the first mission has a part where you have to use goblin sapper's suicide ability
Loving the Deathless. This is the most impressive one yet. What weirded me out was that the banshee could not be used. Taking possession does not count as a lose for me. If anything, it is an exchange in technical terms.
While you do make a understanding statement, the description of the ability says other wise. "She then displaces the soul of the enemy, giving you permanent control of it, but destroying the caster's body. " I dont know about you but "Destroying the casters body" does not sound deathless to me lol.
Does Reforge still have the shade abuse trick? That's where when Illidan is channeling, you can box him in with Shades and tell them to hold ground; they won't move, and Illidan can't force them out of his way. Since the Naga's once weakness is they don't have detection, you can literally hold Illidan in place with about 6-8 Shades, and do what you need to do and not worry about him.
Wc3 was always cheesable, if people want to break the game thats up to them, still a sick mission if u play it normally, blizzard should make cool missions when played normally, not fix peoples exploits in a single player campaign
WHITE TEXT COMPILATION (because I enjoy watching videos podcast style, which means I miss out on a lot of the funny flavour text): King Arthas 1:51 Villager: Run! (while sprinting past banshees trying desperately to autoattack them to death) Villager: Freedom! 3:54 Arthas: Hi Sylvanas (after walking up to her while she is fighting enemies). Arthas: Bye Sylvanas (as he immediately leaves). The Flight from Lordaeron 5:09 Necromancer: I cast (attempts to raise dead) Arthas: No. Necromancer: I cast (tries again) Arthas: No. Necromancer: I cast (tries again again) Arthas: No. Dreadlord's Fall 12:03 Garithos: Halt, Demo- (while chasing Varimathras into a corner, only to be put to sleep and left behind in it). A New Power in Lordaeron 16:09 Mortar Team: Bring it, Demon! (taunting Balnazzar) Mortar Team: Ouch (is immediately targeted by finger of death) Mortar Team: Nope nope nope (flees as Balnazzar closes the distance between them) A Song of Ice and Fire 22:04 Arthas: Hey Anub'arak: Yeah? Arthas: Who even are you? (Grant has not introduced, named, or even said a word about Anub'arak this entire video) Anub'arak: .......
All this Warcraft nostalgia reminded me of that other RTS I loved to play as a kid. Ever heard of Universe At War? Fun times. I'd honestly love to see you play that one.
So lemme get this straight: The only campaign that is technically impossible is Sentinels Because Malfurion summons treants that expire. Malfurion ruined everything
I have been looking forward to this since you posted the first human deathless campaign. That final mission still gives me nightmares just from my casual playthrough as a kid
@@Canaris4 Summon Bear acts like Feral Spirit: rather thsn creating extra units, it despawns the previous unit and respawns it in front of the casting unit. Fun fact: the melee Beastmasters Summon Bear ability is just a reskinned Feral Spirit, meaning that if the two abilities are castable by the same unit, then both abilities will be casted at the same time. In case there isnt enough mana, only the selected ability will be performed.
@@unimportantcommenter4356 Not when you level up the spell after casting it. You get 1 level 1 Misha, and 1 level 2 Misha. No despawning happens so long as you upgrade the spell between casting. Phoenix works the same in Footman Frenzy. After levelling up the Phoenix spell you get to keep your older weaker phoenix till it has its egg killed, while having your upgraded phoenix with you. You can also do the same trick with Carrion Beetles. Max out your carrion beetles before you upgrade the spell, and you can get up to 18 beetles on your side, 6 in each tier. I don't know if that exploit works with Feral Spirit since I could never be bothered with doing that trick on a summon that isn't permanent.
Hey ggg, i have seen all of your videos , and i think it could be something intrusting to do deathless runs on Mass Recall (its a SC2 mod where u play the campaign of SC, but with the graphics and some stuff from SC2)
The bit at 19 about how Reforged fixes it, that actually makes it much much easier for a non-deathless run since you can just dab on illidans forces with a well setup Anub+ghoul rush>necro>frost progress.
"And with that I can say Warcraft 3 can be completed deathless" Ohh my looks like someone is forgetting about the founding of Duratar... Though of all the campaigns it should be the easiest... Until one remembers some tunnel clearing with goblins 😀.
You just need to define the rules better. If you say you cant lose a unit then banshee is debatable, if you say your units can't die then banshee is totally fine, they are not dying, hey are possessing the enemy, so the new unit is actually the banshee. Its like saying Arthas died long time ago, its the lich king that is controlling Arthas body. Love the videos!!
Actually, Arthas never dies in Warcraft 3, he's just corrupted. He doesn't die when he merges with the Lich King either, they become a combined being from then on
@@persey7241 He loses control of his thoughts and actions, he becomes a shell, no he doesnt die but its not him anymore, not fair to call him arthas on the frozen thrones, its all lich king
@@otaviocamanho1135 Well, yes, but what I mean is that he is still a different persona from the Lich King, even if he obeys his orders without question. He is told what to do, but the way in which he does it still depends on him, you can clearly see that in his interactions with everyone else. Sylvanas was the same before the control on her was broken, at which point she fully became herself again, which shows that they are still actually there beneath the Lich King's hold. And she was even physically killed beforehand, unlike Arthas
I remember this campaign. It was the coolest in my opinion but the largest spike in difficulty I had ever encountered in my old Blizzard RTS experience. I am in awe at these runs.
"this is without a doubt the hardest deathless campaign ive played" bro what, you killed cenarius without chaos units and without losing a unit, then did the same to archimonde like, are you a god wtf is this
@@andreisava4012 is it truly easier? A lot of the armor types and functions may have changed, it probably got easier because we know the armor types for frozen throne far better than RoC and a few qol changes it brought with it. I think night elves got the most changes. Heroes technically got nerfed in the campaign because they are given melee damage and not hero. I thought that got weird once you get access to the night elf heroes.
huh, i thought there was an orc campaign too. i looked it up and there technically is, but its only three missions long and happens separate to the plot of the other 3. still, i think for grant to say that frozen throne is possible to beat deathless he should do the founding of durotar missions
It's technically only 3 missions, but they're incredibly long and structured in a different way than the other campaigns. Still, in all of them you only have heroes to work with for the most part, so they should actually be pretty easy to do deathless, aside from maybe the 3rd mission because of the "don't let allies die" rule
The Frozen Throne Orc campaign is basically a World of Warcraft trial set in Warcraft 3. Considering you deal with a few hero units most of the time, a deathless run probably wouldn’t be too hard, the only time I could see a problem with that is when you deal with non-hero units and have no timed summonables.
but way harder (just think of the pATHing) and probably less variation between missions as most missions are either 'get to a point' or 'kill everything'
Personally, I think if you count Bansee "Possession" the same as losing the unit then Wisps from the night elfs morph into buildings for Sentinels Campaign wouldn't be counted either which is absurd lol and funny thing is, I know MOST of the people KNEW that, they just enjoy seeing you showcase your skills and ideas so they forced things harder for you and I would have done the same XD
Btw, they patched a lot of things about a year ago and increased difficulty on hard (except for the Maiev campaign where they added a ridiculously op unit). Also apparently they kinda sorta fixed the Forgotten One and he now uses Flamestrike, Cripple and Firebolt. The only thing still missing about it is that I recall it used to have charm.
I'm pretty sure that Detharoc's (and also Garithos') two bases are actually two completely different factions, just with their units all colored the same in unit editor so it's not apparent. They both send WAY too big numbers against you for them to be one faction.
Im pretty sure i checked that some time ago and they were the same factions, i will have to check again thought since it was a while ago and i may be wrong.
Yes, they are one faction/allied. Even in the intro cinematic it is revealed that Garithos was charmed by Detheroc. The Human attack waves also have lines indicating possesion (for Lord Gari... Lord Detheroc!)
Back when StarCraft II first came out, there were reports of it 'melting' (I'm not sure to what extent the word was used figuratively) GPUs that were ultimately traced to an uncapped FPS allowing the units to overexert themselves. Depending on how much truth there was to such claims, and how much liability or bad press Blizzard ultimately faced, adding an FPS slider might've seemed like a reasonable precaution.
Hello everyone, I'm here to answer one simple question that keeps all of you awake at night: Can you finish the Reign of Chaos campaign without building anything? The answer is YES, well sort off. There are two missions, one from Humans and the other from Undead, where there is a main quest that forces you to build units and buildings in order to complete it. However to keep the spirit of the run alive I've completed the these quests at the very end of the mission so that it wouldn't influence the run too much. Hope you will give it a try Grant! GLHF
I'll be honest, I don't know anything about Warcraft lore. Or anything about the game systems. Or anything about how RTS games are played beyond a basic level. But I've completely binged everything in this series anyway for some reason.
I cannot believe how bad The Forgotten One looks in Reforged. Holy god damn it looks like a Halloween-themed bouncy castle. I'm calling BS on the obelisks damaging buildings in the final mission being 'fixed' in Reforged. That sounds like something that was dropped durring development with some of the triggers being left intact more than an intended part of the map that broke. Nothing about the way the mission is presented or laid out suggests that that's something that's supposed to happen.
It really is a shame. So many blizzard games look so fun and the only ones I own are the free games such as starcraft. And the dlc for starcraft 2. But after all that's happened. I refuse to give them another cent. (Don't bother telling me to just pirate the games it's not happening.)
Uhm ... Grant ... Anubaraks Ultimate spawns Units that attack and return health to Anubarak ... which die once the duration ends. Meaning they are timed units and using Anubs ultimate would violate the rules. I doubt that this really affected your ability to do this run, as you only used it during the final two missions but still.
Possession is losing a unit? What....that's ridiculous. Definitely not a unit death. Possession is the banshee becoming the other unit. Side note, you need to do some deathless custom campaigns.
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Hey guys, if you're interested in more GiantGrantGames content, my second channel is releasing vods from a run where Twitch chat could directly influence the game while I played through Starcraft 2, trolling me with Cannon Rushes, Motherships, Nukes and more! The entire experience was an insane mess in the best way possible and you can watch it here: th-cam.com/video/igyZoz70m8k/w-d-xo.html
You are really had enough strength? after "all in" another uploaded video:D
What challenge next? Oh wait nova covert ops deathless
@@imnotreallygoodatanything6084 he did nova deathless,look at archive channel
The twitch trolls grant series is really fun to watch
GGG i really apprecciate how you bought the Ice monster shards just to trick us into thinking you were gonna use them to beat the final level, Well done
It's poetic that the run ends with a trick only possible in Reforged. They threw you a bone there
in earlier missions he already made good use of consumable stacking.
@@anonvideo738 yes, and?
@@anonvideo738 he is talking about the fps slider
@@Bruh234 the main comment is talking about the trick possible only in reforged, and this guy pointed out that it's not the first one
@@anonvideo738 The main comment is calling it poetic because this whole series has been shaped by the jank of reforged, so it's fitting that the ending would only be possible in it.
shoutout to the someone in the chat shilling for Big Siege Engine
BIG SIEGE
For you guys not in stream... we tried very hard yo convice hım to use siege engine,it wasnt my idea btw i ve just supported very hard ^^
I think what he said was like "Why do you guys keep suggesting siege engines? they're not even good" and when it started working "I'm so mad that this is working". and now we have a 'honk' emote on twitch
@@kamikazegargoyle that is True:D
@@kamikazegargoyle is the vod still up on twitch?
I love that the solution to “really hard frame perfect trick” is “less frames.”
"The Scourge campaign has a unique mechanic--" And, Pavlovian, my brain fills in: "There are eight maps scattered around Azeroth. Each is guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies."
xD hahaha
There are three G's in GiantGrantGames. Each is guarded by a progressively stronger force of letters, that get stronger every time a G is destroyed
lol same :D
it's unique, not super unique
campaigns from more than a decade ago designed by their own are less "super unique" than LotV, great job Blizzard.
Grant: "I need to beat some incredibly difficult missions in an RTS game"
The viewer: "I wonder how he is going to defend against the attacj waves..."
Grant: "Base trade it is"/skips aquiring the base in the first place
Base? What base? He doesn't need a base!
based
i found out the base trick in return the very first time. it was a bit of a slog cause i didnt know that you could just beat the second part with sapphiron, but i was just happy i found an exploit on my own.
Imagine lore of whole Scourge's unholy crusade being over at the beginning because 20 human peasants escaped
And then Arthas breaks the 4th wall xD.
"My King, it's all over"
"What? Why?"
"20 guys escaped, we can't obviously chase them"
"What the fuck"
They said they cant find people in the mountains. And it's more than 20 peasants. They can't give you 100 peasants per wave for the sake of your computer at the time.
@@PRubin-rh4srAn interplanetary forces with flying units struggling to find non-stealthy units in mountains
The Forgotten One was supposed to cast Flamestrike, Firebolt, and Charm. Reforged is such a shitshow.
EDIT: He also had Spawn Tentacle. I forgot about that one
Interesting. I wonder would Charm then count as an automatic reset or would he allow it since I dont think there is a good counter against it.
@@franelabus9182 There actually is. There are runes of spell shield spread around the arena. I think they can counteract charm because the boss has a unit variant (like the one Queen of Suffering has), not the one Sylvanas has. But I'm not sure. I might be totally wrong.
@@franelabus9182 wait he cast charm in the original ? I remember flamestrike & firebolt, but not charm
@@Samissa806 he indeed used charm
@@seeinred well I guess I was lucky then /shrug. Thank 👍
personally i would have voted "Yes" on allowing posession. Your Banshee doesn't go away, she just becomes the posessed unit. more like changing clothes then anything else.
Yeah the banshee is still alive, err undead, inside the target
Same. I find it weird that an "overwhelming" amount of people denied it.
I would have understood if it was a timed thing. But the possession is permanent...
Seems less broken than using charm for literal free units
@@peffiSC2source I can see your point, but I would want grant to use possesion because the banshee is not playable in the other mission. and this run felt kinda the same as others but i guess repetitive is rule's middle name
And fighing banshee possesion in deathless run is way more awesome and infutriating
Eh , depends , it changes the unit limit count , disappears itself , cannot be taken back and is gaining completely different stats and abilities. It's more of a "unfair exchange" , so I would say that it's very well a death of a banshee , though I'd say only from a technical standpoint , not from any other ones .
"Theres no way im fighting the Naga, ever again." hooboy after hearing how you had to get through the Sentinals campaign i dont blame him on that
He's suffering from post-naga-suffering-depression
It looks like undead are permanent underdogs. They are always weaker then opponent. First human campaign - is easy and you were helping them all along. Second campaign. Siege of Rivendale: elves have those rider that are vastly superior to anything in undead army. Next: fell orcs. They are insanely powerfull, compared to undead foces, have chaos damage, insane spells, and red dragons. And so on. Naga, demons, cool human heroes of level 15 from bonus campaign - everything makes scourge look like joke. I can think of only 2 factions that look as weak: satires and drenei.
Royal guards Bs unit.
@@smatt5153 Couatle is the most unbalanced unit in whole game
@@VK-sz4it fair, they are stupid af. But there's nothing like royal guards perma stunning.
Varimathras: "Sylvanas has greater strength than you know, brother. She locked me in a box."
The fact that the final mission can be completed in that manner is hilarious and extremely frustrating at the same time.
The most reforged thing Imo
I’m a bit sad that the Warcraft deathless ends here, even though reforged is such a broken mess. Though I’m still full of hope on what else you’ll do in the future. It’s great that in these times where no one really cares about RTS games that you make such incredibly fun to watch content!
Yeah, seeing him doing custom campaigns deathless would have been amazing, especially because believe it or not, the difficulty ramps up even more than in the regular campaigns (try Curse of the Forsaken on hard or the second books of Legends of Arkain, they're quite something).
I personally asked him about this in his Discord server, and he said that he thinks custom content could be fun, but it leads to less engagement due to its lower popularity, meaning that his videos get less views and the algorithm really screws with his channel.
I just hope that he at least considers doing it on Twitch while uploading both failed and successful runs on the Archives channel. But another challenge on the base campaigns would make me quite happy too.
Well theres still the original Starcraft anf Brood war deathless he could do
@@NinjaAO42 I think that would legitimately be next to impossible but it would be interesting to see how much he could limit it.
@@cosmicbard6998 "second arkain books" 0_0 calm down satan geez...
Why wont he play bonus campaign? It will be more challenging that you might think. He starts with level one Misha so he has to Keep her. Also if heroes dies, respawn or not it is still a death. Some quests like Seal the tunnels might actually be impossible.
I love that intro, I was half expecting Grant to say "Umm, well, Cinematic deaths don't count! Right Arthas?"
Kel'Thuzad in the first mission:
"My king, may I receive some of those abominations of yours for the deathless run?"
Arthas: "Here, have a ghoul!"
The objective of beating Warcraft 3 without losing an unit is super unique. There are eight campaigns, each guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies.
Actually, the orcs didn't get a Frozen Throne campaign for... some reason, so there's only seven.
Love the joke though.
@@bluestar2059 They have Founding of Durotar
@@PRubin-rh4sr ...considering that's a very "Diablo" style open adventure thing, is there even any units you can lose in that in order to have a deathless run?
I genuinely don't remember if you get anything besides your hero units, and I vaguely recall that you lose if any of them die.
@@bluestar2059well it was probably the hardest one if you stick to the rules where you need to save your allies if you can.
@@iusemyrealnamebefore Fair point. I wonder how far you could push the Founding of Durotar as a "save allies whenever possible" run.
It would be ridiculously difficult, no doubt, but I'd be curious to see someone at least do a "discussion" video on the idea of it. Not strictly attempt it, for obvious reasons, but just to highlight what challenges it would present.
When you expect an extremely difficult last mission and it ends with that
Yah kinda like the last Orc mission in Reign of Chaos, he found a way to cheese what would have been an incredibly difficult mission, in the last Undead mission’s case, I’d say maybe even near impossible to do normally deathless
@@bobbyferg9173 I would say completely impossible.
@@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126 If I ever get some significant free time I might have to give this a try. Although the 500 damage trigger might just ruin my day. But I thought there was a way of doing it where you take the oblisks at the 3:00 and 9:00 position, build your necropolises there and a fuck ton of towers and defend and build up, then beat Illidan when he tries to take it, and eventually you've got enough stuff that you just grind out the 12:00 base slowly, pulling units back as need be... But saying it is one thing, pulling it off is another matter entirely. Still, I might need to give it a shot.
@@Norrieification Well it's really hard cause the AI cheats their ass off, they have infinite money and 3 bases constantly maxed out pumping forces is hard to stop even when losing units
yeah I was kind of dissapointed... I am not able to beat the mission on hard WITH Units dying so I though how does he do it... CHEESE :/
To explain the difficulty spike from The Frozen Throne compared to Reign of Chaos I'm going to use a Dunkey quote
"The game goes from tough but fair to tough but f*** you"
Well, at least it isn't as bad as Starcraft I [pain
Welp , let's hope he ain't doing c&c3 then ...
@@Sorta8 or Armies of Exigo, god damn the Fallen Campaign there would be a nightmare.
@@Sorta8 the Croatia mission?
Also, BFME deathless (for any of the games) sounds impossible for the evil side...
starcraft I is mega easy tho... apart from the base game's no build mission everything else is basically macro up while they send a small attack force
@@Lunaraia ooooooffff those words triggered some painfully addictive memories
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo all this time, since the moment the series started I was thinking "But I *know* you can't beat WC3FT deathless, because the last mission is impossibly hard". I got trolled!
GET DUNKEDDDDDDDDDDDD
Haha exploit go brr
I had the same thought. This ending was extremely unsatisfying
Grant tanking KA, only to get thrown for a quick loop by two random-ass Necromancers got a chuckle from me.
Fun fact: the last Sylvanas mission was the last one he did on stream - he completed the final mission before that one, struggling like crazy with the last two Sylvanas missions (watched them on VoD).
Was looking forward to this movie and I was honestly not disappointed.
where do you watch the warcraft vods? I'm only seeing Starcraft 2 on his 2nd channel and twitch.
@@vienalicaway2585 I watched them on his Twitch but they were removed after a certain amount of time (I think Twitch only holds VoDs for 2 months and I watched them a couple of days after the stream).
@@Kainmaster That is so sad. i was months late on discovering his channel.
Yeah the Sylvanas missions without Banshee Possession are extreme.
I was struggling on normal difficulty without cheats.
Now that you've finished SC2 and WC3 deathless I'd love to see a video of which maps you thought were the hardest.
He will do a tier list of the deathless runs. I’m sure he’ll mention his favorite missions of each run. Idk if he’ll make it a main video tho
Now I wonder what the bonus campaign would be like deathless? Since you can't use quillboars you will be losing out on a lot of DPS, and managing Misha's HP would also be pretty rough, but then again the bonus campaign was basically WOW in W3 engine so maybe it isn't that far off?
I don't think that it's actually possible - an early mandatory mission requires you to use Goblin Sappers... who are suicide units.
@@willbrolley262 Oh. But other than those?
It would be very easy, actually.
The campaign frankly isn't worth doing.
@@brunocosta4402 The Flight from Theramore and the Naga Attack is pretty difficult to do even on Normal, so it would be worth it to try.
@@brunocosta4402 Yeah, but Founding of Durotar is maxium comfy.
'The Scourge Campaign is without a doubt the hardest Deathless run I have ever done'
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It took him 15 hours for the Sylvanas missions.
@@Costin_Gaming he meant that he is literally controlling the dead but despite it those were the hardest "deathless" missions
I love how you find so many strats that basically boil down to 101 ways to make the ai do dumb things or not trigger at all. It's fascinating watching these.
I hate how you were banned from possession. Its not hypnosis at the cost of a life, its literally a banshee going INTO an enemy and taking control of their body. The banshee is still there (and probably experiencing gender dysphoria now depending on the unit).
The AI : *"Hey the player doesn't have base. We won!"*
GGG : *"There is another!"*
Amazing how Reforged actually has something fixed for once xD
Illidan : *"You think you can just channel the obelisk in front of me and walk away?"*
Arthas : *_"Yeah"_* **teleports away*
Arthas: yes now later bitch *teleports to home base*
Illidan: I'm putting the word out. Five hundred grand for this clown dead; a million alive, so I can teach him some manners first.
Oh cool a new deathless run. Time to binge through the series again ... and again ... and again. Yes, these are quite comforting to run as a background insonation :D
Forgive me sire, but what does insonation mean?
i cant believe you can simply cheese the last Mission of WC3 in such a way. It took me almost 2 weeks to beat this as a kid... that mission is so brutal.. Well done Grant! This whole Deathless series was an absolute pleasure to watch!
I wonder if you played Relic's RTS like Dawn of War or Company of Heroes? I'd like to see deathless run of it!
Hmm. Dawn of War might actually be a possible one. Sounds like a good idea... Pretty please?!?
the question would be do individual unit menmbers count? or just if the entire unit is destroyed?
but yeah seeing GGG play DoW would be interesting ^^
Dawn of War has very inaccurate and unresponsive controls though. It's a great game, but not really good for micro control.
Won't work. Units are dying only when leader dies, those games don't care about separate soldiers. So there would be no way to track who died. Unless you fully abandon using infantry... which might work in case of CnC. For DoW, DoWII campaign might work too. CoH is too infantry focused so it won't work.
For Dawn of War 2 deathless, would be great
Hell yeah. I was waiting for this.
what about the rpg orc campain it might be a free win but there are some moments where you are supposed to use units and you also have a lot of summons in this
Yeah, I was hoping he'd mention the Rexxar campaign. That last bit where you're assaulting Theramore would be challenging due to the saving allies rule.
You can farm tome in crazy amount and kill proudmoore in 3 hit
Goblin sappers.
I was ready to argue that the posses ability does not kill your unit but the one inside the host body, but man this rule made the video so much more entertaining. Nice job!
Kinda interesting how sylvanas's missions felt like the final boss while the other arthas stuff seems like some really extra content
that's because by the end of campaigh, you'll probably not do wacky sheesy stuff and will just buildbuildbuild an army to wipe out Illidan from the face of the world
while Sylvanas's missions are midgame to end-midgame
so you will still have some creativity left in your brain
Funnily enough, they were actually the final boss of the run- since the Sylvannas and Arthas portions of the campaign don't actually affect each other after the split, Grant did the last Arthas missions first, then went back to finish the three Sylvannas missions.
@@The-jy3yq I am doing the classic warcraft 3 campaign and I'm at the last campaign now and that mission scares me. I remember playing the campaign on normal years ago and I had the problem where hard was too hard and normal was too easy, so I had to settle for normal and breeze through the campaign. until symphony of frost and flame. that mission was horrifying on normal. Now I'm playing the campaign on hard because I no longer suck as much at RTS games and I'm fully expecting that mission to break me.
Can you do age of empire 2 when you are done with warcraft and then age of mythology and age of empire 3
RIP Garithos
A true hero of humanity o7
We humans must stick together!
@@Yuel402 These inhuman dogs must be slain.
@@ГалущакОлександр I hate working with these… people.
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Different genre but the same logic still applies
don't worry. he lives on in my Garithos/Kael'thas/Sylvanas fanfiction.
Awesome. But what's about Rexxar campaign? It should be quite easy, but interesting nevertheless.
i mean didnt he say theres a rule he needs to save ally units? in the last mission where thrall attacks proudmoore you can't really save the ally units.
@@konstandinosverzamanis5699 well it's "save ally where possible", but also the first mission has a part where you have to use goblin sapper's suicide ability
The only mandatory deaths in the upcoming bonus campaign would be the 4 sappers.
next up
can you beat warcraft 3 with only base unit (ghoul, footman, grunt or archer) afer witch we will see warcraft 3 blinfolded
Loving the Deathless. This is the most impressive one yet. What weirded me out was that the banshee could not be used. Taking possession does not count as a lose for me. If anything, it is an exchange in technical terms.
While you do make a understanding statement, the description of the ability says other wise.
"She then displaces the soul of the enemy, giving you permanent control of it, but destroying the caster's body. "
I dont know about you but "Destroying the casters body" does not sound deathless to me lol.
@@GamingBlueNOOB Agree to disagree.
@@mrravinraven Yeah, thats the best way to say that tbh.
@@GamingBlueNOOB If you want to go much further, banshees already died once. Thats why they are banshees.
I never knew there was a dmg trigger on the final undead map
Most people probably didn't, since it wasn't working, lol
You can watch Abelhawk's Warcraft 3 Easter Egg videos.
I have noticed it while cheating ahead. And see what it happens.
Mass siege engine... The scummyest, yet most funny tactic in WC3 pvps!
Glad you used it in this run xD
Does Reforge still have the shade abuse trick?
That's where when Illidan is channeling, you can box him in with Shades and tell them to hold ground; they won't move, and Illidan can't force them out of his way. Since the Naga's once weakness is they don't have detection, you can literally hold Illidan in place with about 6-8 Shades, and do what you need to do and not worry about him.
That end, man, how does Blizzard keep doing it? They gotta know...right?
Wc3 was always cheesable, if people want to break the game thats up to them, still a sick mission if u play it normally, blizzard should make cool missions when played normally, not fix peoples exploits in a single player campaign
I always thought that Arthas gradually getting weaker was kinda cool
WHITE TEXT COMPILATION (because I enjoy watching videos podcast style, which means I miss out on a lot of the funny flavour text):
King Arthas
1:51
Villager: Run! (while sprinting past banshees trying desperately to autoattack them to death)
Villager: Freedom!
3:54
Arthas: Hi Sylvanas (after walking up to her while she is fighting enemies).
Arthas: Bye Sylvanas (as he immediately leaves).
The Flight from Lordaeron
5:09
Necromancer: I cast (attempts to raise dead)
Arthas: No.
Necromancer: I cast (tries again)
Arthas: No.
Necromancer: I cast (tries again again)
Arthas: No.
Dreadlord's Fall
12:03
Garithos: Halt, Demo- (while chasing Varimathras into a corner, only to be put to sleep and left behind in it).
A New Power in Lordaeron
16:09
Mortar Team: Bring it, Demon! (taunting Balnazzar)
Mortar Team: Ouch (is immediately targeted by finger of death)
Mortar Team: Nope nope nope (flees as Balnazzar closes the distance between them)
A Song of Ice and Fire
22:04
Arthas: Hey
Anub'arak: Yeah?
Arthas: Who even are you? (Grant has not introduced, named, or even said a word about Anub'arak this entire video)
Anub'arak: .......
This was an incredible journey and a ton of fun to watch
The Furbold rampage was still the best finish ever. Thanks for the videos, i had a lot of fun.
Let me guess. We will get yet another chain of missions having super unique objectives. Each is guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies.
No this was originally made back when blizzard still had some creativity.
@@poilboiler Yep. Not even the final objective fits this description, because all guardian forces are the same :D
I am sad at the end of this, But thank you for taking us on this journey!
All this Warcraft nostalgia reminded me of that other RTS I loved to play as a kid.
Ever heard of Universe At War? Fun times. I'd honestly love to see you play that one.
Only in Reforged is it possible, because features made there like stacking items and bring items in the next campaign.
It's been quite a journey boys, but it's complete!
In true fasion there will be another to rise until grant will rely on new games or bad remasters of old ones
So lemme get this straight:
The only campaign that is technically impossible is Sentinels
Because Malfurion summons treants that expire.
Malfurion ruined everything
These were one of my favorite series on youtube, thank you!
I have been looking forward to this since you posted the first human deathless campaign. That final mission still gives me nightmares just from my casual playthrough as a kid
Missed opportunity.
"Hey Arthas are you interested in a deathless run?"
"I Intend to Live FOREVER!"
"Ok cool. Let's get to it."
He already did that joke in the undead campaign.
Been looking forward to this one in particular, especially after catching the last missions strategy live!
All the missions had amazing strategies
If your gonna do Rexxar’s Campaign. Is Misha gonna be allowed considering that she does not expire and has a good amount of health and armor.
She would be, but he could never upgrade her because that would need resummoning if i am correct
@@zairaner1489 Upgrading just means he has 2 bears.
@@Canaris4 no?
@@Canaris4 Summon Bear acts like Feral Spirit: rather thsn creating extra units, it despawns the previous unit and respawns it in front of the casting unit.
Fun fact: the melee Beastmasters Summon Bear ability is just a reskinned Feral Spirit, meaning that if the two abilities are castable by the same unit, then both abilities will be casted at the same time. In case there isnt enough mana, only the selected ability will be performed.
@@unimportantcommenter4356 Not when you level up the spell after casting it. You get 1 level 1 Misha, and 1 level 2 Misha. No despawning happens so long as you upgrade the spell between casting.
Phoenix works the same in Footman Frenzy. After levelling up the Phoenix spell you get to keep your older weaker phoenix till it has its egg killed, while having your upgraded phoenix with you. You can also do the same trick with Carrion Beetles. Max out your carrion beetles before you upgrade the spell, and you can get up to 18 beetles on your side, 6 in each tier.
I don't know if that exploit works with Feral Spirit since I could never be bothered with doing that trick on a summon that isn't permanent.
Hey ggg, i have seen all of your videos , and i think it could be something intrusting to do deathless runs on Mass Recall (its a SC2 mod where u play the campaign of SC, but with the graphics and some stuff from SC2)
I was 100% convinced this would be impossible. Well played, Grant. Well played.
Wait, Anub'arak's Carrion Beetles are summons with no timed duration, but Grant never uses them. I guess they were just too squishy to bother?
The bit at 19 about how Reforged fixes it, that actually makes it much much easier for a non-deathless run since you can just dab on illidans forces with a well setup Anub+ghoul rush>necro>frost progress.
I loved every second of this series with Starcraft and Warcraft ngl
I have you on a technicality, sir! By playing the Undead faction, you've already failed as all of your units were already dead.
"And with that I can say Warcraft 3 can be completed deathless"
Ohh my looks like someone is forgetting about the founding of Duratar... Though of all the campaigns it should be the easiest... Until one remembers some tunnel clearing with goblins 😀.
"That it is in fact possible to beat Warcraft 3, and the Frozen Throne, on Hard, without losing a unit."
Four treants: a
Can you do company of heroes deathless?
I'm subscribe
Incredible. I think I've never seen an harder game challenge and you really did it.
Why is Grant not uploading his WC3 content in his archive channel?
You just need to define the rules better. If you say you cant lose a unit then banshee is debatable, if you say your units can't die then banshee is totally fine, they are not dying, hey are possessing the enemy, so the new unit is actually the banshee. Its like saying Arthas died long time ago, its the lich king that is controlling Arthas body.
Love the videos!!
Actually, Arthas never dies in Warcraft 3, he's just corrupted. He doesn't die when he merges with the Lich King either, they become a combined being from then on
@@persey7241 He loses control of his thoughts and actions, he becomes a shell, no he doesnt die but its not him anymore, not fair to call him arthas on the frozen thrones, its all lich king
@@otaviocamanho1135 Well, yes, but what I mean is that he is still a different persona from the Lich King, even if he obeys his orders without question. He is told what to do, but the way in which he does it still depends on him, you can clearly see that in his interactions with everyone else. Sylvanas was the same before the control on her was broken, at which point she fully became herself again, which shows that they are still actually there beneath the Lich King's hold. And she was even physically killed beforehand, unlike Arthas
I remember this campaign. It was the coolest in my opinion but the largest spike in difficulty I had ever encountered in my old Blizzard RTS experience. I am in awe at these runs.
"this is without a doubt the hardest deathless campaign ive played" bro what, you killed cenarius without chaos units and without losing a unit, then did the same to archimonde like, are you a god wtf is this
Correction: Furbolg Champions deal chaos damage. But nonetheless super impressive.
To be fair he did it in the reforged version, where they put tft balancing on the roc campaign without adjusting anything making it easier.
@@andreisava4012 is it truly easier? A lot of the armor types and functions may have changed, it probably got easier because we know the armor types for frozen throne far better than RoC and a few qol changes it brought with it. I think night elves got the most changes. Heroes technically got nerfed in the campaign because they are given melee damage and not hero. I thought that got weird once you get access to the night elf heroes.
He did it, he effing did it! Man, what a ride, kudos for the hard work and dedication, such a pleasure to watch these series of deathless runs!
huh, i thought there was an orc campaign too. i looked it up and there technically is, but its only three missions long and happens separate to the plot of the other 3.
still, i think for grant to say that frozen throne is possible to beat deathless he should do the founding of durotar missions
It's technically only 3 missions, but they're incredibly long and structured in a different way than the other campaigns. Still, in all of them you only have heroes to work with for the most part, so they should actually be pretty easy to do deathless, aside from maybe the 3rd mission because of the "don't let allies die" rule
The Frozen Throne Orc campaign is basically a World of Warcraft trial set in Warcraft 3. Considering you deal with a few hero units most of the time, a deathless run probably wouldn’t be too hard, the only time I could see a problem with that is when you deal with non-hero units and have no timed summonables.
These kinds of videos would be so cool with Warcraft 2.
but way harder (just think of the pATHing) and probably less variation between missions as most missions are either 'get to a point' or 'kill everything'
capping your own framerate is a mildly common speedrunning trick xD, that said, congrats on spotting it! that was clutch :P
Wow, I was just thinking about this series last night. And now it's here. What a coincidence.
Personally, I think if you count Bansee "Possession" the same as losing the unit then Wisps from the night elfs morph into buildings for Sentinels Campaign wouldn't be counted either which is absurd lol and funny thing is, I know MOST of the people KNEW that, they just enjoy seeing you showcase your skills and ideas so they forced things harder for you and I would have done the same XD
Btw, they patched a lot of things about a year ago and increased difficulty on hard (except for the Maiev campaign where they added a ridiculously op unit). Also apparently they kinda sorta fixed the Forgotten One and he now uses Flamestrike, Cripple and Firebolt. The only thing still missing about it is that I recall it used to have charm.
I'm pretty sure that Detharoc's (and also Garithos') two bases are actually two completely different factions, just with their units all colored the same in unit editor so it's not apparent. They both send WAY too big numbers against you for them to be one faction.
Im pretty sure i checked that some time ago and they were the same factions, i will have to check again thought since it was a while ago and i may be wrong.
Yes, they are one faction/allied. Even in the intro cinematic it is revealed that Garithos was charmed by Detheroc. The Human attack waves also have lines indicating possesion (for Lord Gari... Lord Detheroc!)
Back when StarCraft II first came out, there were reports of it 'melting' (I'm not sure to what extent the word was used figuratively) GPUs that were ultimately traced to an uncapped FPS allowing the units to overexert themselves. Depending on how much truth there was to such claims, and how much liability or bad press Blizzard ultimately faced, adding an FPS slider might've seemed like a reasonable precaution.
Hello everyone,
I'm here to answer one simple question that keeps all of you awake at night: Can you finish the Reign of Chaos campaign without building anything?
The answer is YES, well sort off.
There are two missions, one from Humans and the other from Undead, where there is a main quest that forces you to build units and buildings in order to complete it. However to keep the spirit of the run alive I've completed the these quests at the very end of the mission so that it wouldn't influence the run too much.
Hope you will give it a try Grant!
GLHF
I'll be honest, I don't know anything about Warcraft lore. Or anything about the game systems. Or anything about how RTS games are played beyond a basic level.
But I've completely binged everything in this series anyway for some reason.
I cannot believe how bad The Forgotten One looks in Reforged. Holy god damn it looks like a Halloween-themed bouncy castle.
I'm calling BS on the obelisks damaging buildings in the final mission being 'fixed' in Reforged. That sounds like something that was dropped durring development with some of the triggers being left intact more than an intended part of the map that broke. Nothing about the way the mission is presented or laid out suggests that that's something that's supposed to happen.
It really is a shame. So many blizzard games look so fun and the only ones I own are the free games such as starcraft. And the dlc for starcraft 2. But after all that's happened. I refuse to give them another cent. (Don't bother telling me to just pirate the games it's not happening.)
In 3:56, I think you chose the wrong icon for the Drain Life.
Uhm ... Grant ... Anubaraks Ultimate spawns Units that attack and return health to Anubarak ... which die once the duration ends. Meaning they are timed units and using Anubs ultimate would violate the rules.
I doubt that this really affected your ability to do this run, as you only used it during the final two missions but still.
Anubarak brings his spider pride >(: v : )
The forgotten one never cast spell in OG WC3 either, it’s always been an easy fight
Possession is losing a unit? What....that's ridiculous. Definitely not a unit death. Possession is the banshee becoming the other unit.
Side note, you need to do some deathless custom campaigns.
Me: 2 AM and about to sleep
GGG: I'm about to end this man's sleep schedule.
im the opposite, i find grants voice relaxing and often accidentally fall asleep to his videos haha
13:46 "Hell yea. Siege tanks!" - Arthas maybe
will you try Command & Conquer series :)
I never thought one could do this. I was certain that the undead campaign was impossible. Massive kudos to you for this!
Symphony of Frost and Flame LOL
I didn't know there was an ASOIAF reference in Warcraft 3.
im sorry if anyone already made this joke but wouldnt it be, undeathless, in this case?
You must be kiding me in classic the symphony might as well been the hardest mission and youjust cheated it like that
Im impressed
Holy cow, the dreadlords look terrible now...
MUTTON CHOPS, REALLY?
Next game warhammer 40k dawn of war deathless run
But its impossible 😔